Covino & Rich - NFL Week 4...Make You Go Hmm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the weakest to ask, the way to start a show ever. Reminding me that, I, Oh, Steve Covino twenty one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: He's in Mexico right now, on vacation on me apparently, so uh well, I'm rolling solo today, but not solo because I got the best crew, We got the best show.

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Speaker 1: And the biz.

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Speaker 2: Danny G super producer, what's up, Danny G? I was Sam bringing the good vibe. I had no idea Covina was gone today. I didn't look at the schedule. Apparently body's on the video and of course he'll be co hosting throughout the show. My man in Yours, Dan Byer, what's up? Hello, twenty one hundred bucks. Huh, that hurts pretty heavy.

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Speaker 1: That hurts especially when I'm redoing my pool in the backyard. Yeah, now we don't feel as bad. You're right.

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Speaker 4: Remember when you were like, hey, Covino, you want me to you want to just cut your loss right here? You just give me like eight hundred, oh dude. And then I look at how the tide turned. Bro It's like the worst bet I've ever lost in my life by far. Twenty one hundred dollars. That's gross. But hey, he's in Mexico. You know why Comito's in Mexico. True story. Danny g thought it was a joke.

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Speaker 2: He goes, what a Carino buy, like some type of time share that he needed to use, and I'm like, yes, during his last vacation, he was the guy that watched that presentation. Whether they try to sell you, you know, want to come back here for half price, but you have to go in this window of time.

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Speaker 1: That's what he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was kidding, and Rich said no, that's actually what happened.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, that's in the middle of the NFL season. Who cares we could hang without Cove. He's valuable. But uh, he's not like cal Raleigh valuable. He's like Aaron Judge valuable. So we could be oh, have you heard this? Hey, we're going to get to a lot today, a lot of fun on Covino and Rich. I won't harp on the Mets, but I do want to bring up a statement from Steve Cohen and how he already committed to Mendoza is going to be the manager next year. And that's that's got fans in New York on the East Coast up set. And I want to talk about the idea of blowing it up when it doesn't go well. There's people that like, you got to blow up this team. And it doesn't just apply to the Mets. It applies to any NFL team, NBA team when you don't make the postseason? Is the answer always blow it up and start over? Or sometimes is it? You know, maybe just run a back you get better luck, fix some pieces, But do you really need to blow it up?

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Speaker 3: On our network yesterday afternoon, I heard the host talking about should the Panthers blow things up?

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Speaker 4: Should the Detroit Tigers blow it up because they coughed up a huge league?

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Speaker 1: Who is talking Panthers.

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Speaker 5: After yes, yeah, there wasn't much to say, Ago I told you so.

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Speaker 2: Listen, we're gonna get to a bunch. But as we do every Monday, let's kick off a Covina on Rich with things that made you go.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, things that make you go, things that make you go.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we even get to all the games, there was a lot of great NFL action. We're gonna talk about ties, We're gonna talk about uh, have his only two undefeated teams? Right? Only two undefeated teams left after four weeks of the NFL just too showing the parody, the parody in the league. But we got to talk about bad Bunny because, my goodness, the social media reaction. Danny g I was watching just like you, Sunday Night football, and they so casually, like Mike Turrico, like I did not know this was coming. Turrico's like and coming up, Max, We're gonna find out who the halftime show is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh damn.

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Speaker 2: Like Urico was just holding out in his pocket, huh. And there he is, bad Bunny sitting on a goalpost with a straw hat, and everyone's like, wait, what bad bunny?

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Speaker 1: He was carrying a golf bag too. It was weird Bad Bunny us.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, notice happy Gilmore's caddy is an international superstar. Let's not be naive, but let's not also make it seem like everyone knows Bad Bunny. It's a very interesting choice by Jay Z Roger Goodell in the NFL. I think we could say interesting choice. Now here's here's my thought. My initial thought was what about Taylor Swift? Because we had all those little breadcrumbs, those Easter eggs of sour dough and sixty and all this, like, oh, super Bowl sixty and then Metallica, and then you heard rumors last week like Adele and then we were all thinking, ah, she's too slow, like she's got a great voice and great songs, but not a Dell. And then you heard post Malone, and then over the weekend there were internet rumors that Miley's.

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Speaker 1: Closed to signing the contract. I had not heard.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong by saying no one else heard Bad Bunny's name even in the conversation they under wraps. That was the most like under wraps anything's been kept because I didn't hear a thing a peep about Bad Boonie. Now let me tell you when Covino and I worked over at ESPN, we worked very closely with a lot of the people that work for ESPN deport this. To say that Bad Bunny is a superstar is an understatement. You just must not have many Latino friends or know anyone that speaks Spanish. This guy's an international star. But here's the question. Is that the right act for the Super Bowl eight seven, seven, nine nine on Fox? If you want to chime in, that's one of our things that made you go hmm, week four.

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Speaker 1: I look at it this way.

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Speaker 2: We we often neglect to realize when something's not meant for us.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you're a you know, let's be honest, middle aged white guy who loves football, and you're gonna watch no matter what.

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Speaker 1: They got you hooked.

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Speaker 2: You're watching the super Bowl and everything involved with the NFL playoffs. You're watching Mondays, Thursday, Sunday, Sunday nights.

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Speaker 1: You're locked in.

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Speaker 2: They got you, they don't need to get you anymore. So it's very clear that last year with Kendrick Lamar and this year with Bad Bunny, they are shooting younger. They're going for different ethnic backgrounds, they're going global, the NFL playing games in Ireland and Spain and Mexico. The game's expanding, the fan base is trying to expand, So Bad Bunny to me is just a clear indication that, Yo, you're not the demo they're going after. You're locked in middle aged white guy, and I'm in that group. If they wanted middle aged white guy, if they wanted to super serve the forty to six year old dude, hey Metallica is the answer. But going after the younger generation. You're always going after the younger generation. People love to point out with alcohol sales and why they used to always have mascots for alcohol and cigarettes and stuff. Say really subconsciously trying to get the next generation. So what was your first reaction when you saw Bad Money Danny? You got like, you got step kids that are in their twenties, you got a little boy, you got kids, So what he was your reaction?

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Speaker 3: Teenagers were hyped over the announcement and I don't mind him, but the response right away on social media and I sent it to you. Our listener Eric wrote, having Bad Buddy at the Super Bowl halftime show is the equivalent of having Morgan Wallen at a big soccer game in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: It's just not fit for at all, for the right sport.

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Speaker 2: It may feel like a miscast San Francisco Bay Area, there's no real tie to Bad Money there, Dann Bayer, did you uh?

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Speaker 5: I mean it really didn't. I mean didn't really in a with me at all. I'm not too familiar. But to your point, I also didn't think that it was for me. I am fully convinced that this is planed c I think that they probably wanted other acts to do it.

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Speaker 1: You've pointed out.

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Speaker 5: A couple of times on the date that they announced Kendrick Lamar what was last year. What was interesting about that date was it was opening. It was week one of the NFL season, so it was actually completely overshadowed by the games that we actually cared about, and I think that the NFL wanted to avoid that. However, to do it like in this window during halftime of a game in Week four tells me that maybe they had this earlier and things didn't work out with Miley Cyrus or Taylor Swift, that this is then where they ended up pivoting and worked out a deal with Bad Money.

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Speaker 2: I think are probably one hundred percent right, and I probably one hundred percent right, because you're right.

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Speaker 1: The timing just seemed different than other years. It was a little later.

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Speaker 2: Plus I think Taylor did hint a lot, and I'm not being the little you know, I'm not like boy who's reading between the lines. But remember on her podcast with Travis, they made all those sourdough jokes and sixty percent of the time Young sixty sour dough. Those East eggs were there for a reason. I heard from people that work in like the pop world of radio that her list of demands was hot was up there, and the NFL has a brand to worry about, and tell a shift has a brand to worry about. They just couldn't really figure out who owned it. Yeah, you know, like there was probably behind the scenes stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'll give you something that I thought was maybe it only landed on me, but I thought it was interesting with the photo of Bad Bunny on a sunset, because the sun is going to be out when he performs, because it's in San Francisco, and it actually makes one of those weird halftime show performances because it's in the daylight and it's not in an indoor stadium. So one thing about the Michael Jackson halftime show out the Rose Bowl that was so crazy was, yeah, I was in the daytime.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we forget that.

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Speaker 2: There's no not everyone's going to have their little wristband with the lowing and the light show.

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Speaker 1: This is straight up like bad Money daylight.

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Speaker 5: And I was at I was at the last super Bowl, super Bowl fifty between the Broncos and Panthers when it was cold Play and then they brought up Beyonce and uh Bruto Mars and it was daylight. It's like four twenty in the afternoon, you know, like I mean, it's sun is starting to set, but there was no hint of darkness whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: So your thoughts if you want to chime in Bad Money your super Bowl halftime show. I think it's just obvious that it's not for everyone, but it's not we We love to think it's supposed to be for you. I'm my father in law recently was saying, you know what I missed Rich. I'm like what Dave is like, you don't need to bring back we need to bring back I like you. I used to love to read the box scores in the newspaper and I was like.

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Speaker 3: That's not how your dad sounds. You got it impersonal No, that's my father in law. Oh your father in law. Yeah, you can't impersonate him.

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Speaker 1: A little southern, little southern. But he lost it a little bit. But day even Dave will be like, rich, know what I friend, know what I forget? And uh no what I I miss? He's talking about box scores. I'm like, yeah, Dave, like just go on your phone and click on the app.

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Speaker 2: And then you click on passing and wrote, but he wants to like read it and I go Unfortunately, you know who that appeals to your generation and people are not worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Kids don't even know we used to have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's worried about that, and you're no one. No one's trying to worry about what a sixty seventy eighty year old guy thinks. Unfortunately, so this is definitely a pick for the younger people. And hey, you know what, I think it is funny how we overanalyze what's going to end up being fifteen to twenty minutes of your life six months from now. I think it will be okay, I think it'll be fun. Bad money, you know, there's gonna be hot dancers. You know he's gonna put on a show. You just may not understand anything he says, but you know what, Hey, you have a few months to do some Rosetta Stone, learn a little more Spanish if you're too worried about it. So bad money halftime show. That was the first thing that made me go yesterday and before we go over all the daytime games. Last night one of those nights where everyone my family was just all in the living room channing out. We let our kids stay up a little later because they were sort of watching the football game and sort of learning the game a little bit more. Last night, they both seem sort of locked in Cowboys Packers. My wife's family Packers fans. So they're watching and I'm explaining, I see the yellow line, that's a first down. They get four chances to get ten yards. I'm like doing the dad instructional and of all games, I'm trying to teach them about the rules. It's a damn tie. And then I had us think to myself, well do I have any real feelings about a tie?

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Speaker 1: And I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna defend the tie today. I'm gonna defend the Bowlow tie because I think it's a cool look. Remember Philip Rivers would rock the bolowtie. I'm gonna defend the tie in football because I think what it does to the standings is awesome. Because at the end of the year, if you're ocd about seeing what team is where now, the Packers are probably gonna be like eleven five and one, ten, six and one the twelve for Yeah, that one is going to really mess up that North. But do you think there's something really crappy about two teams battling four quarters plus overtime and it's forty forty and they both walk away like.

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Speaker 1: Eh, yeah, I didn't like it. How do you fix it? Though?

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Speaker 2: We talked about this for years, and my solution is simple, Dan Byer, at five minutes, Yes, each team got the ball, and it seems like each team with the legit possession equals about ten minutes if you had five more minutes left in that overtime period, just making another quarter fifteen minutes. I think someone urgently moves the ball down the field and at least tries a winning field goal. I think ten minutes is just designed for a tie in a weird way.

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent is in Previously, I think they were just trying to get the game over with on the first score that wins the game, and then you do the thing where you're like, okay, well now it's got to be both teams have a first touchdown wins the game. So if you kick a field goal that led lent it to all right, that's go. We're gonna have more ties because they did. There were multiple ties in previous seasons under the old rule of field goal does not win it for you, touchdown wins it for you. There were more ties now with this They never changed the period length. Adding five more minutes to the quarter would be a huge, huge difference because it just doesn't make any sense to have it this way when if you are going to have a field goal drive, it's probably gonna be about four to five minutes, especially too, if one of the teams is always going forward on fourth down if they need to because they have to tie the game because they're trailing at that point, and.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, the length of a drive in that situation is about four to five minutes. Do that two times you match field goals to tie. I just my team has in time a long time. I would love to hear from a Packers fan or a Cowboys fan. How are you feeling today? Is it like because you know your your football team does determine your mood. I'm a little sour today. My Mets lost and the Niners lost, So today I woke up and I'm like, yeah, sort of feel a little like asked if your team ties, do you do you feel good about that? Like after the game, even when the players were bro hugging and the coaches were shaking hands, it almost feels like an odd like you know when you're at a blackjack table and you're like, sweet, I got a twenty and the dealer flips at twenty and you're like, huh, what.

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Speaker 3: Was better for Backers fans than running out of time there at the end with that pass that went out of bounds, because that would have been a disaster.

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Speaker 1: They're so lucky that that ball immediately went down one second ago.

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Speaker 4: I just think ties happened so infrequent, like they had It was a couple of years ago we had like two or three in a season. But I think you just sort of move on and deal with it because they happened infrequently enough that most of the time you do have a winner and a loser, but there it happens, and it is a weird feeling. It's like you have to tell your kids this one like thing that happened that it doesn't happen very often, but you explain it and you're like, it's like, not a winner or.

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Speaker 1: A loss, it's a tie. It's a draw. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I like it because again, I feel like it's at the end of the season. It's always fun because it messes up your playoff positions and standings and rankings. Just for all you know, towards the end of the year, the Lions and Packers that they might be battling and it's like, ooh that half a game is he either going to work for or against the Packers? So you're right, better than a loss, But do we think tye stink?

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Speaker 5: From twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four, we had seven tie games in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So I guess you know what, I'll defend the tie and say it's so rare that it's sort of fun, mixes it up. I just don't know what the fan bases feel like afterwards. It really is, it's like, imagine, all right, I can't. I can't really think of anything else. I feel so like I'm not happy, but I'm not mad.

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Speaker 5: Can I change your mind on this? Yes, nineteen seventy four to twenty eleven. So if we had seven ties from twenty seven to twenty twenty four, yeah, from nineteen seventy four to twenty eleven, thirty seven years, how many ties do you think we had in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Way?

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Speaker 5: More so, if we had seven in that seven year span, how many do you think we had in the thirty seven year span?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go around, you wanna see?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, oddly, I feel like every year as a kid, there was like I know the nine the Niners had a tie one year, and I know that.

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Speaker 1: A less though. I'm gonna say twenty five, twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is over thirty how many years, seventy four to twenty to thirty seven years? I'm gonna say fifty, Okay, Danny, I'll say twenty three.

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Speaker 5: We had seventeen, So you guys were in the ballpark. But if you were to take the seven years times that from the previous window times you know this, five times, you'd have thought we would have had thirty five to forty ties if under the previous format it was in going along that same pace.

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Speaker 1: But it's not.

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Speaker 5: It's way ahead of that pace. So they were only seventeen and thirty seven years. Yet in the previous seven years we had seven ties.

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Speaker 1: I heard this wenty.

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Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait, why is that though? Is it because because of the rules, because what Rich is talking about. Yeah, it's because of the because of the ten minute quarters. It used to just be the sudden death of a team scoring, and there were fifteen minute quarters at that time.

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Speaker 2: You score fifteen minutes, you score, you win, and then it was score. If it's a touchdown, you win, field goal, they have a chance of matchups. It was just more of a chance for something to happen ten minutes. In the NFL, that's like again Dan Bayer said it it's like two drives tops.

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Speaker 5: So once a year, and at one point we were averaging about once every one every three years. Now they're happening once a year because of the new rules.

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Speaker 4: So for a long time the rule was sudden death. But if you neither team could just score, period, it ended in a tie. Correct, Yeah, yeah, I don't know was.

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Speaker 5: Ale seven years ago and eight years ago now in twenty seventeen that they shortened the overtime from five to ten minutes, and during that seven year span we averaged about a tie a season, and that was they were very rare when we were growing.

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Speaker 4: Was there a couple of years ago where there was like two or three in a season? There was a good there's been, There's been a couple now.

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Speaker 2: I heard this morning someone was saying Dan Patrick and the Dan Asferd discussing like should there be some fun type of like kicking contests, like you know in soccer there's a you know, at the end of the game, they'll do.

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Speaker 1: Uh, penalty kicks, Like penalty kicks.

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Speaker 2: What if your field goal kickers went out there and they're like, all right now we're gonna go forty yards, fifty yards, sixty yards, Like do we want to see that? College football seems like everyone loves that, but I feel like the NFL is so resistant to do that.

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Speaker 3: Everybody loves college football, Yeah, yeah, it's too gimmicky. After a hard fought NFL game, especially with college kickersing it that way.

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Speaker 4: You have to do like two point conversions after a certain amount of overtimes and it, you know, it gets a little crazy.

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Speaker 5: What I think is interesting is this point of how do you settle it? Because we only go to penalty kicks after you play extra time in soccer, Like that's there is a whole extra time period where you then go to penalty kicks. Same thing here, Like we've played a ten minute overtime period, we are still tied. So going to a kickoff. I have a branch off idea of that. It's like name that tune. You bid on how far you can make the KICKO. So if a team says, all right, we can make it from fifty and then the other team says, we can make it from fifty five, we can make it from fifty eight, we can make it from sixty make that kick.

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Speaker 1: You know what this is?

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Speaker 2: Like there was a game show I feel like you where they were like I can name that song in three notes. Great, I can name that song in two notes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all of a sudden, the Cowboys have to kick a sixty eight yard field goal and if they miss it, the Packers win. Like that would be amazing, that would be what dramas that is?

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Speaker 3: How about if we put both head coaches in the center of the field and have them do rock paper scissors.

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Speaker 1: Danny, you suck, Carroll.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting you did paper is that you know people would love to be like old The the biggest international sport is definitely soccer, football, and there are ties all the time, right. Soccer is one of those games that often I know this from watching Ted Lasso. Soccer ends in ties and it seems like scoring. It seems like that international audience is okay with it. Maybe we're just used to the NFL. It's so rare that a tide just feels like so wait, the Cowboys and Packers battle, the return of Michael Parsons, going to Jerry Jones in the move every ten minutes to see his reaction A forty to forty and we just walk away like Tuger.

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Speaker 5: The reason I think is because at least in soccer you get a point for it. Yeah, you at least come away. You didn't get the full three, but you get something from it. Here, I feel like you're only going to be happy at the end of the year when and it will it will help one of the teams because as much as you'd love to have the win, you don't have the loss and the.

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Speaker 2: Loss watch the Packers are gonna be twelve four and one or something like that. They're gonna be like eleven five and one. Someone else is gonna be eleven and six, and that half a game may help them, or.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it'd be the opposite. We don't know, like just a it's a it's a good one. It's uh.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm I'm torn on it. But I do feel like if I had a pick. If you're saying Rich, make a decision.

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Speaker 1: We're such a passing league now.

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Speaker 3: Instead of a kick kicking a field goal thing at the end for sudden death, what if we did each quarterback goes on the field and see how far they can throw the football, almost like a javelin throw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about a punt passing kick competition at the end of the game. You know what, I think the Pro Bowl. I do have other thoughts. Obviously, we have just started our things that made you go hmm. Week four of the NFL. We're gonna take all your feedback. I see the phones are hot. Let's go Covino and Rich all your observations football, Hey, throwing baseball if you want it was the final weekend. Did your MVP decision in your mind change? And I have a thought about the wildcard round that starts tomorrow, So we'll get to all that and more action pack Monday. Cavino on Rich right here on Fox Sports Radio. Ooh, some bad boney. Are you guys running for the Super.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's go to the phones. Let's go to your feedback.

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Speaker 2: Things that made you go hmm, Week four of the NFL, and of course we already talked about bed money, so if you have thoughts on that, But the next thing that pops up is overtime.

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Speaker 1: This is a tie. Last night on a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Night game, the most viewed game of the week every week, especially Cowboys Packers probably arguably I bet you had top three game of the year so far, right ratings? Why Sunday Night football, Cowboys Packers? I can only imagine.

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Speaker 1: The numbers were huge, forty forty high score, great game, and everyone walks away just like, I don't know, how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 5: You know, there's something else to your point that I think that we don't think of. So last night when the coin flip happened, and you'll we go back to Super Bowl fifty eight now, oh and the forty nine ers skake, I'm taking the ball right, And that was so last night.

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Speaker 1: Packers win the toss and defer. They say they want to.

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Speaker 5: Kick off, but if you were to add five more minutes, you know, like in that scenario, if both teams kicked a field goal, it's then advantaged Cowboys because you would get another possession exactly, which I think would negate the value of the coin toss, which is very valuable that you can go second in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's listen, how do you fix it? Are dB and I onto something like if you had five minutes? Is it just sort of fix it in so much at five minutes and five minutes?

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Speaker 4: But that game is so back and forth? What if that five minutes was just spent trading a scorer. But what we're saying, I just give you a chance to you know, two possessions equals about ten minutes, and you saw that in overtime and then you know overtime was over tie game. Yeah, that extra five would allow someone else just it would allow Dallas, who did not win the toss.

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Speaker 5: Green Bay had their advantage of going second. It now shifts to Dallas having an advantage where they could then be able to score and end the game because both teams would have a possession exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then Dallas gets the ball with four or five minutes and all of a sudden, you know, they uses their timeouts, they get the ball back, try to kick a game winner.

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Speaker 1: That extra five minutes I think is the simple fix.

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Speaker 5: I think because I think the coin toss it's at the start of the game, it's not a bigger deal. Most teams defer and take the ball the second half. But when you're talking about overtime, it is a really big deal. There's a lot of weight on the coin toss. By adding five minutes, at least, it gives the team that loses that coin toss a little bit of value at the back end of it if it works out their way.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Let's go to Dave and Oregon. You're on with Cavino and Richard's up.

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Speaker 1: Dave, My nights are nonsense. How you doing, fellow? What's up? Body? Hey man, let's think outside the box on this. I was talking to Danny g about this. Why don't we just get rid of the game clock and the same rules apply until we get a winner.

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Speaker 2: No game clock, Just get rid of the clock. I know you were going to say, uh, mud wrestling with the cheerleaders. Nor Cliff in North Carolina. Cliff, how do you solve overtime or do you like to tie? You know, I imagine there's some people that are like, no, it ties the tie. It messes up to standings, it shakes it up. What do you think, Cliff?

00:26:53
Speaker 1: I think there's there's only winners and losers. There's no tie. I hate telling.

00:26:58
Speaker 2: I hate telling my kids in kids sports. I hate when I have to like lie to my kids and be like, oh, we're not keeping score. It's a tie because.

00:27:04
Speaker 1: Someone did better. Someone always does better. I hate a tie. If Homer Edwards would say, you play to win the game, you don't play the time dB Guess how long?

00:27:15
Speaker 5: Guess how long overtime is in the postseason, how long? Fifteen minutes bing go till you find a winner, go another fifteen minutes. And yes, so it's just it's only done for TV. It's the only reason why it's ten minutes. They want they want it done, they want it wrapped up. And if people aren't satisfied, then make the change.

00:27:36
Speaker 1: You play to win the game.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: I mean I think you do all right, so may you have it. That was something that made us go.

00:27:44
Speaker 5: My wife last night you were saying you were explaining to your in laws about what was going on. My wife is like, well, then what happens for the people who bet?

00:27:52
Speaker 1: You know? So I was a money back. I don't even want to talk about. Tell what happened?

00:27:57
Speaker 2: Nothing, nothing, I'm not joking. No one likes to hear other people's bad beats. But but I'm the host, so let me share for a second. I did a bet that I didn't even announce on the air. I bet what I bet on the air did all right this week? I said, you know what, I don't really have much action left. Let me do a teaser bet for Sunday Night Football. And I like the Broncos tonight. So I had the Broncos and a teaser that's where you play with six points. It was Packers by six and a half. So I had Packers minus half a point and the Cowboys I'm sorry, and the Broncos tonight.

00:28:33
Speaker 1: I had minus one and a half.

00:28:35
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I'm Packers by half a point in Broncos tonight.

00:28:39
Speaker 1: That feels good. Half a point mm hmm, come on, come on.

00:28:45
Speaker 2: And so it does burn some people. One other observation. Then we'll go to Dann Buyers Update. We'll take all your feedback, Danny g Any, any final thoughts on the tie.

00:28:54
Speaker 3: No final thoughts, and then I'm just thinking of the actual game, the other games.

00:28:57
Speaker 2: Now, all right, My observation is that we're talking about overtime. The kicking game in the NFL has changed so dramatically from when we were younger. If you're a kid of the eighties or nineties, or even even you, let's say you go back to the seventies, a field goal kicker was considered of high value. If he could kick a field goal well like forty something yards.

00:29:18
Speaker 1: That was like a boot.

00:29:20
Speaker 2: We forget the Buffalo Bills lost a Super Bowl on a missed thirty nine yard field goal, and I almost want to argue that it wasn't even so automatic back in nineteen ninety, ninety one, ninety two, like that was not It wasn't so automatic. Now what used to be a miracle field goal? Like, oh my god, he's going to line up for something over fifty yards. I feel like most teams with confidence could kick a fifty yard field goal. Is that a fair statement compared to twenty thirty years ago?

00:29:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw a couple of teams settling for fifty yarders yesterday on the Packers with McManus, and then even Danny's Raiders against the Bears.

00:29:57
Speaker 2: And sometimes these guys will knock a field goal through the uprights. Let's say it's a fifty three yarder and I'm like, yo, that had ten yards extra on it's hitting the net. When a fifty three yard field goal hits the net, that could have went for sixty something yards, and you're seeing because of that though, the trajectory of the.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Game, yes, has changed wine drives.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: You're seeing line drive sixty yard bomb field goals that are like happening on the regular. But you're seeing more block field goals because when you're kicking a sixty yard attempt, you can't not try to put a little distance on it. And by distance, you know, science guy Rich Davis here, your angle changes. So I think the kicking game has changed special teams and everything completely.

00:30:41
Speaker 3: The big uglies are learning how to time it perfectly and get their big mits up there to block it, because.

00:30:45
Speaker 2: These aren't big These aren't like athletic guys that are jumping, you know, in the air. These are just big dudes sticking the pall ups.

00:30:52
Speaker 5: Yes, I do think that though the kicking game has evolved to the point because it's a little bit like golf where if you can hit your nine iron twenty or thirty yards further, it's still going to get the same sort of trajectory and get high up. I feel these guys can get the ball higher and they don't need to be as low anymore. So what was a fifty yard or back in the day at that trajectory is now a sixty two yard field goal at that trajectory that is more likely to be blocked.

00:31:22
Speaker 2: I just I find it wild that the field goal kicker has become, in my opinion, such a more employantly listen. Special teams is always such a key element of a game, but I think more so than ever, having a kicker you can rely on is so so important. I know that seems like an obvious statement, but when you get the there's guys where you're like, yo, if we get across the fifty, we might have a chance. If you get it to the forty forty five yard line on the other side, I think we could do this. That's a wild thought. That's that's a very big advantage for good kickers. Let's go to Dan for an update. We'll see what's going on. What's up the Yeah, the guys.

00:32:00
Speaker 5: This is what John Harbaugh had to say about Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, who suffered that hamstring injury and yesterday's game against the Kansas City Chiefs.

00:32:07
Speaker 6: There's no way he was going to go back in the game. That would The injury precluded it. You know, during the game, you know, you really just you're you're playing the next series as a coach, But there was no way he could go back in the game. I know Lamar, I know the way I know Lamar. If he could have gone in the game, he would have been in the game. That's how Lamar, That's how he is.

00:32:23
Speaker 5: Ravens have the Texans coming up in Week five. Harbaugh says they'll know more Wednesday about Lamar's status for that game. Harbaugh did reveal that defensive lineman Namdi Mandebike is going to miss the rest of the season because of a neck injury. Forty nine Ers quarterback brock Perty had a setback with his toe injury. His status for Thursday's game against the Rams up in the air. Wide receiver Ricky Pearsall suffered an injury to the PCL and his knee. His status for Week five is not known at this time, and speaking of knee injuries to wide receivers, Giants wide receiver from Lake Neighbors officially placed on injured reserve. His season is over after he tores acl and yesterday's win over the Chargers. Week four tonight, Jets and Dolphins seven to fifteen Eastern Bengals Broncos eight fifteen Eastern Time tonight. A couple of other notes, Raiders tackle Colton Miller could miss multiple weeks because of an apparent high ankle sprain, and the Texans trade to tackle Cam Robinson to the Browns as the team's also swapped the late round picks. San Francisco Giants fired skipper Bob Melvin after two seasons and after seven seasons, Roco Baldelli's ten euros. The twin Skipper is over. Led Minnesota to the postseason three times, never got past the divisional series. Looking for a new skipper in the Twin Cities.

00:33:27
Speaker 2: Rich back to you, Yeah, thank you, Dan Bayer, and hey, we got the whole crew here, Danny g Iowa, Sam Spotty's on the videos and Dan Byer. Thank you guys for hanging little uh little group today. We got it, We got the we got the band here. Everyone's chiming, and Covino's away for the day. When it comes to things that made you go, let me let me bring up one more football note. We're gonna go over a lot of football, don't don't don't get me wrong. I just had one baseball thought as well. The baseball note is I feel like the Mets not only blue with for the fans, not only blew it for their owner, who does nothing but spend money and treat these players and families. Steve Cohen must be sick to his stomach. So I want to go over Steve Cohen's statement. But when you look at the wild card games that are going on this week, MLB ratings are gonna be huge because they're not competing with much. You got what Thursday Night football besides that baseball wildcard Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

00:34:27
Speaker 1: Listen to these matchups.

00:34:29
Speaker 2: Tiger's guardians who have been battling all year, the Tigers let it slip away. So Tiger's guardians, Padres, who are so fun, tattoos and machado, they're going to play in Wrigley versus the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, and the Mets blew it for baseball because it would have been Mets Dodgers, but now it's Red's.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: Dodgers who cares about the Reds.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: Unless you live in Cincinnati. Is that not the most bunk last minute eighty three win. It's embarrassing, But we'll talk a little baseball playoffs and of course all the things that made you go hmm in the NFL. More covin on rich Next, All right, buddies, covin on Rich on a Monday where I shouldn't be in a crappy move, but I'm happy to be here with you guys. My Mets are out of it. The Niners lost. Sound of a heartbreaker. The Mets suck, Mets do suck you right, But we got to tell you about the play of the day, live from the Fox Sports Radio studio, our tireract play of the Day, The Rams put a stop to the Colt's hot start blocks of ball left.

00:35:36
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00:36:08
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy about that play? Me and Danny both witnessed it live in person. So we were at that game yesterday. Well, you guys went. We got tickets through work here thanks to Scott Shapiro or our boss, and we were sitting right next to each other and we got to watch that whole game play out.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: Look at you guys. It was fun. I feel bad for our Boston and Scott go to see the Vikings. He went over there to Ireland, but he gets a little trip involved there. So yeah, if you make a.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Nice trip like that, did your team losing put a damper on it? Or is like no, I'm making the best of it. I'm in Ireland.

00:36:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a regular season game, so one off, I think it's more about going to see your team than what the actual outcome is.

00:36:45
Speaker 3: Tomlin almost gave it back to that he decided to punt there to see the end of that game and the Vikings. If it wasn't for the intentional grounding call in a couple of errors, they would have got into field goal range.

00:36:57
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, just like that, Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers are three.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: And one everybody.

00:37:04
Speaker 2: Three and one everybody and it's not pretty, but they're three and one man.

00:37:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not even close. And when you look at how they did it. So the Jets game, remember wild Week one sixty something, your field goal Seahawks beat them. The Caleb Johnson sorry, Sam miss Q, completely turned the game over.

00:37:23
Speaker 1: Last week.

00:37:24
Speaker 5: The Patriots turned the ball over five times, a couple of times as they're about to score. They win by seven, and then they have this thing and whatever you want to call what they did against the Vikings.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: They and Aaron Rodgers.

00:37:37
Speaker 5: I'll also say this something that rich and I love and I sent a tweet and it went viral, meaning like one person liked it yesterday. But we finally saw what the Vikings end zone would look like if they made a Super Bowl. Now the NFL is putting every team in the end zone. They did it with the Chargers and Chiefs having both of the team names in Brazil. This week it's Vikings and Browns in London. I'm curious if we're going to see a Brown's end zone. What would you do with the logo? Do you do a helmet? Do you put the little browns?

00:38:06
Speaker 1: Guy? Brown guy? We haven't had we haven't had a think about this.

00:38:09
Speaker 2: They've never been to a Super Bowl, but I'm wondering if we're gonna see it when they when they play on Sunday.

00:38:14
Speaker 3: Also, how crazy is it the Vikes are gonna be the first team to play back to back international games Jaguars?

00:38:20
Speaker 2: Do you think they're excited about the stamps on their passport? Like my wife loves getting the stamps on the pass I'm sure they love it.

00:38:25
Speaker 5: But yeah, to do the two different countries, the Jaguars stayed back to back weeks time, Yeah, in London they played back to back weeks. But to go you know, not that far but still different scenery.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: I have like a.

00:38:38
Speaker 2: Pervy question, do you think those guys are just getting a lot of international tail when they're when they're like overseas for a week or so and they're sticking around and traveling. Do you think do you think these guys are like, well, I'm in a foreign land.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: Let me start. You think they're swiping spot?

00:38:51
Speaker 2: What do you think you're you're in those absence, So you think these guys are swiping away. They're NFL stars in a foreign country they know better well versus Europe avoiding the drama.

00:39:02
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:39:02
Speaker 3: Did you see what happened to the Steelers backup quarterback Skyler Thompson.

00:39:05
Speaker 1: Well, yeah he's out of three four in the morning, got jobbed, robbed, Yeah, doublin. Luckily he's all good. All right.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: Other things that made you go h week for the NFL, Danny g I gotta say your raiders, when Genty stands up before he receives you know, the balls.

00:39:20
Speaker 3: And when JPJ is on the O line, like we talked about on Friday.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: Show, Genty finally showed everyone what we thought he was gonna be from week one. But hey, he's a rook man. Week four, it was cool to see him bust open those high steps and what sixty.

00:39:35
Speaker 1: Four they gave him. They gave him some running room too, So that was pretty cool.

00:39:39
Speaker 2: Your team loss, but you know what, you saw some good signs. Right, What an emotional week for Giants fans, Right, you got to see Jackson dart, But then you also find out the sad fate of Malik Neighbors so we'll talk more NFL Week four right here, Covin and Rich