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Speaker 1: Futures Futures, Futures always got to be thinking about your futures. We had the football season coming up, and this week the first episode of Our Locker Room is coming out.

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Speaker 3: Thursday, Wednesday Night, Wednesday Night College Football Show. We're separating them very like, very much their separation because last year, I want to say, we combined.

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Speaker 1: Them for a while.

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Speaker 3: Combined for a while, and then little separation at the end. This year we are separating them fully. So we will have a college football show that'll drop on Wednesday nights and then our NFL Locker Room show that will drop on Thursday morning.

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Speaker 1: And boys, this week we are filming Our Futures. You guys heard about the big news about Clay Matthews. How's now Jordan Bus suppus to get him a round of the plus just an absolute professional as well. Jeremie Clump has kind of been aligning all of these things. He has called texted, uh, sent a pigeon, sent a raven, every which way you possibly can't do. Start preparing for the locker room.

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Speaker 3: That'll be amazing.

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Speaker 1: And as always, joining us will be de Laney Walker.

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Speaker 3: He's locked in. Laney locked in, Clay locked in. And do you want to go ahead and announce the special guests that'll be joining us for the college football we want?

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Speaker 2: Do we want to wait? Do we want to Well?

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Speaker 3: Today we were recording on Monday. The announcement is dropping today that the collaboration is happening. So by the time people are listening.

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Speaker 1: Now, because they'll see who our guest is. Yes, that guest is not just a guest. I'm busting with the boys. He's also going to be a part of our college football show, the one, the only, possibly the commissioner of the entire college football world, eventually Joshua Paint. So those things coming out this week. We're getting the season started. It's big time. I believe it's Ireland correct a week zero, Ireland's going down. Football is officially officially back this week. It's going down. It's amazing and this whole year Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there is gonna be a whole slate for you guys that we will do our best, our absolute best to show you the schedule of what is coming out with busting with the Boys. It is going to be an amazing time. But Josh Pate, just a man of the People's got beautiful arms, got a beautiful head. That man has got a beautiful brain as well. He's going to take us to school every single week when it comes to college football, We're gonna have a blast.

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Speaker 3: He's the best college football head in America.

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Speaker 1: Best college football had in America, and as the best college football head in America, he had some very nice things to say about Nebraska. Did you see that?

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Speaker 3: I did see that. I didn't know if we wanted to wait until he got on the bus tour we could talk. And I know we got several things on the docket involving college football. We got the twenty eighteen playoff. We got the Michigan scandal that how that kind of got solved last week. We got, you know, people putting Nebraska in their playoff runs. People are starting to find out about Nebraska a little bit.

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Speaker 1: People are starting to whisper. People are starting to do what will comms been doing for the last seventeen years talking about Nebraska football. Nebraska football is no longer a team that you're just like, oh, yeah, they remember that when they were good in the nineties. Now we're talking about potential candidates for potential playoffs, Potential, potential, potentials, potential it has. If people want to talk about Connor Stallion's manifesto Willie ces manifesto, Nebraska is starting to come to fruition.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: What does potential mean? Will potential.

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Speaker 3: Means let me stop you there.

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Speaker 1: Potentially means you haven't done shit yet, but you have an opportunity to do something at the.

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Speaker 3: Ceilings high, but you haven't. You haven't touched the ceiling. You put the ceilings up, the ceilings there. You gotta do the things that tap into that potential. But we have not done that yet.

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Speaker 1: Potential is you see where you could go. Now it's your job to build the ladder.

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Speaker 3: Potential is the capacity to develop, succeed, or become something in the future.

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Speaker 1: In the future building blocks. Matt rule all those boys have been building blocks every single day in camp. Will Compton he hears the whiskers. I'm sure he talks to Eckler every single day. I walk in on, will you get get him a little stretch in our sore next weight room? What's he doing? Listen to Eckler talk about a dude a press conference. What's you do after that? Probably calls Eckler. Will Compton knows what's happening in that building all the way about a thousand miles away in Nashville, Tennessee. The rest of the world will now find out. Coming August twenty eighth, when Cincinnati takes on Nebraska. Cincinnati home of the New Heights podcast Nebraska for that week, home of the Bustle with the Boys podcast. It is going to be an epic start for the Nebraska season. What's the future look like for Nebraska?

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Speaker 2: In that first game?

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Speaker 1: For you will an ass whooping an ass whooping sixty to find.

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Speaker 3: Out on Thursday night, a week from Thursday. I was getting juiced up about of last night. That is kind of wild and yeah, I expect a good, strong performance. I expect a very strong leg. People have been hearing the whispers been seeing the interviews with tears of Archie Wilson being homesick, being away from his family living in Australia. Apparently he's got a an absolute juggernaut of a leg, can kick it every which way, can bomb in about seventy yards. Our punter is gonna win his football games this year, and he might be the number one punter in the country.

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Speaker 1: Might be the number one part of the country. And it's not just one leg. Kids do legs, both dual legs, a dual leg threat, dude. I mean, I'm excited a football season. We all know what. Everybody with their team. Everyone's a champion right now.

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Speaker 2: Everyone.

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Speaker 3: Everyone has a lot to be optimistic about. Uh, well, a lot of teams do. There's some that might be you know, they might be middle of the road. They might be ready for a middle of the road season.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody ready for a middle road season, even the teams that have had great camps, And if they were to lean back a little bit and actually look at the entire team and probably realize we don't have the talent to compete for next championship. Every Division one football team thinks this is the year they shocked the world because of X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, hang on, time out, time out. Does everybody here have high expectations for their team this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, Jack, you do.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 2: Horse side do and you do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: We have like one of the easier schedules in all of college football, and police pull up Tennessee's schedule. We have a very easy schedule as well.

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Speaker 3: They do play in the SEC as well. They do play in the SEC.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: SEC. What you guys have a lot of depth. You guys have more depth than the Big Ten. Huh, the SEC has more depth than the Big Ten. This is a catastrophic one.

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Speaker 1: This is a catastrophicpon.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, I can be aroused about it, like the Big ten has the Natties live in the Big Ten, like the top of the top is the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: But as far as depth goes, but SEC has more depth. If Nebraska, if Nebraska pulls their weight, if Nebraska polls their weight, this year, you got Michigan, Ohio State, penn State, Oregon, Illinois. Illinois is a sleeper this year. USC Indiana was in the playoff last year, and Nebraska that's eight teams. That's a good core foundation. Now the bottom, I don't know about the bottom. Like our boiler Makers, Rutgers always seems to be a little like sneaky. Every once in a while. Maryland can be a little sneaky, but it's like but it's like, ah, Gophers are sneaky. This year's at the right now. The Minnesota Gophers. That's a sneaky bunch of boys. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mississippi State's kind of trash, but Vandy they're spicy.

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Speaker 1: Right that. Kentucky's always good for some weird upsets.

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Speaker 3: Missouri missoo, missoo solid.

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Speaker 1: A lot of question marks around Oklahoma, like people are reeled down in Oklahoma, and now recently everyone's like, actually they might be contenders this year. It's very odd, very odd, but yeah, best on best Big Ten takes that. I think that that middle class of the Big ten has gotten stronger in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I think this year is it's the word potential is there hasn't done it yet, but middle the middle class in the Big Ten has a big year ahead of them. As far as Big Ten becoming an all around.

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Speaker 1: When you when you look at your middle class. You look at Illinois, You're gonna look at Minnesota, Nebraska right now. You would put in that, but I see them get having a bigger year. But as of right now, Yeah, middle class USC I think I think takes another step. I think those four teams gives you a nice, healthy middle class in the Big ten.

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Speaker 3: Appeel has been talking about Michigan State a little bit too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ass I agree, Mitch. I agree.

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Speaker 1: You in here, miss Carley said, Michigan State is asked, I don't disagree with that. I will assume so too.

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Speaker 3: I've just you know, you got Iowa, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people down in Wisconsin as well. A lot of people are down in Wisconsin. They have a tough schedule, they have potential. But here's the thing, that's where that's a great full circle moment. Get us back week zero. Everyone's got potential. Everyone's out there and they believe they're gonna be a big ten sec, big twelve ACC champions. That's the exciting part of where we sit right now, in the middle of August. Everyone's hopes and dreams are alive right now. Now get to October, we're gonna start separating from the pack. We'll see who's who in the zoo when it comes college football. But right now, as we all sit here, all of our teams are winning it all. And that is the beautiful thing about sports.

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Speaker 2: Juices up.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't even think my dumb brain and timelines don't wally work out together. But really, yeah, a week from Thursday, I don't even fucking realize we.

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Speaker 3: Will be at Arrowhead Arrowhead watching Cincinnati Nebraska. Then we will be flying to Columbus for Texas Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Texas Ohio State. Yes, And there's so much of this conversation that needs to take place in the locker room, So much of it does, but it's gonna be I mean, it's thirty to forty five minute show. So I get weary of what do we talk about here as opposed to the locker room? Should we bring people to the locker room or should we talk about it right now? It's kind of up to you guys. But the thought process going on my head is who's got more pressure on them? Texas Ohio State in this week one matchup.

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Speaker 3: I personally think Texas does. I agree, I think Texas Texas does because they have an insanely talented roster sark they've been building out. I want to say a couple years ago was it two years ago? And they beat Bama in earlier in the season, when they just started to kind of like, Hey, what's Texas going to be like? In the SEC and that O line in the trenches they handled Alabama, I was kind of like, oh shit, Texas is for real this year. I feel like these last couple of years, the way Texas has been trending and playing in these big moments. With Archie Manning at the helm, I feel like they have the most pressure because they are everybody's number one going into the season in Ohio State, even though they are defending national champions. You got a new quarterback, they lost a lot of pieces, new running back room. Like, yes, they've reloaded. It's Ohio State. They can reload. They have those capabilities. Yeah, But I feel like I just think it's I think Texas has the most pressure going Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think arch Manning is a massive reason why Texas has the most pressure on them. This gives the highest rateed quarterback of all time. He comes from the bloodlines, all those things. Now he's finally thrust it into a starting role. He's one of those cats to look at at a Heisman already, and he doesn't have too much film on him. A lot of pressure over there. Texas is always a school that's going to have a microscope on them. They're always going to be like win is Texas Since the days of Colt McCoy. Every year it's like, is Texas back? Is Texas back? You win a game the Cotton Bowl a few years ago, and you got people betting Texas is back. We're gonna do X, Y and Z, We're back, that whole entire thing. Then you start seeing them. They make the playoffs, they get embarrassed by the team that actually wins the national championship, which is Ohio State. Now, this week one matchup, Ohio State loses everybody in their defense except for two guys guy, one of them being the safety who's like one of the best players in all of college football this year. And Ohio State does have an incredible They do a great job of every single year just reloading. They never have really these valleys. It's usually just like their baseline is peaking and they always have the best wide receiver rooms. Their offenses go crazy. They lose their OC to the Raiders. So there's a lot of question marks going for them, but the pressure doesn't seem like too much pressure because they got their national championship. It's not the Big Ten yet it is a nice it's like a nice marker to see where are we at we one of college football when you're still kind of working through all the kinks everything, because the good teams. Tennessee is a great example of this. You see them, they play their first four games of the year, they're always covering.

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Speaker 3: They got there.

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Speaker 1: They're playing you know, the schlums, the Whoever's, and they're minus thirty five points and they're always covering over that. That's a sign of a good football team. We'll see with Texa Ohio State, but I think Texas has more pressure on them to come out of the gates firing quickly. Yeah, it's gonna be. I just can't wait for the season, man, I cannot wait.

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Speaker 3: They also Ohio State also lost their DC yeah to Penn State. However, they reloaded with Matt Patricia, right, I think so, you're oh State guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, mattess I think none on that number two pencil going crazy on that thing. But yeah, gonna be a fun, fun college football season. What else we got in the doctors?

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Speaker 2: I know, it's like I want to sit here and talk like all things win.

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Speaker 1: But we will have Josh eight on the bus, right, I know, we brought up me.

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Speaker 3: It's just still let's just embrace all of it. If people want all these goddamn teams in the playoff, just roll them out. Twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the twenty I love having it.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the March Madness idea of like, hey, you make it to the dance. Anything's possible now.

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Speaker 3: I know, but that is it's it's it's so many teams. That's if they want to go to twenty eight. I'll be right there embracing it with them. But to JP's point, it's like you do want it. It's like seven from the SEC, seven from the Big ten, five from the ACC, Like, what are we doing at that point? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can. I can see where that we get at. The number will get a little high. I like sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I do like sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I like sixteen quite a bit, and I want I want championship week right in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want. I also want I like sixteen because I want to. I would like to remove the bye week factor for the teams that are the best teams.

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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? You are a blackologist, That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, If you do sixteen, then you have you have eight games all being played, one verse sixteen. When you have twelve or you have twenty or twenty four, you're gonna have to you would credit the best teams and give them a bye week, and you don't like. I just I feel strongly because in the NFL playoffs, people talk about, you know, the best teams coming off of their bye week, how they're gonna perform. We're talking about eighteen to twenty two year olds having a bye week after having some more time off. Obviously, you slash that time off after championship week and get right into it right until you don't do bye weeks, Like everybody will still have that same momentum that they had versus wondering. You know, they've been studying for finals. How do you practice them?

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Speaker 1: Right? I like the bye week, but the bye week's scary. I mean you look at Oregon. They had their buy and they came out a little flat versus Ohio State. You see a lot of these teams grabbing those buys. Doesn't don't look awesome. But I just, more than anything, I want football to start right out for Championship week. I want to start right whatever December, whatever that is, and let that ride all the way Jan one, Jan seven.

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Speaker 2: That's what the National Championship is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll talk to the commissioner when he gets on here.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to the commission We'll get his opinion. We'll figure all that out. New Heights, Yeah, building around Arrowhead. New Heights are friends, our friends, our friends, our friends for now. Until Thursday, they had a big guest on their show. They had Taylor Swift on their show. She finally came out. She announces her album. Just an amazing job of rolling that out. And I believe it's seventeen point nine million views on YouTube's released last Wednesday. Million watching it live. Yeah, one point two million people watching live. Yeah. What I popped on it was one point three golf clap for New Heights. Golf clap for New Heights. That's impressive. You gotta tip the cap every once in a while.

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Speaker 3: That is have they have? They grown a million subscribers. Yet when I popped on before Taylor Swift, when they announced it the night that they were like, oh, we have a huge guess and it was leaking, they were like two point five two million subscribers. Where they at right now? God, every clip that they've dropped, It's like again when they did the whole special Guests and released Taylor Swift, I like popped.

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Speaker 1: On their Instagram.

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Speaker 3: It was like one hour after they released and it had like seven hundred thousand likes already.

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Speaker 1: Obviously talk about this when paid gets on the bus. But I do want to just quickly address Michigan football. If that's okay with you.

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Speaker 3: I would love for it to be with the commissioner here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll wait for the commission then we'll just wait. You guys have to look forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get the.

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Speaker 2: We needed that.

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Speaker 1: You see the parlay. I saw the parlay. Did you see my comments under your parlay, because then you would have known I saw your parlay. That was incredible.

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Speaker 2: That was it? Was it plus five night nine?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lost the first one out of the gate, first leg. God shook dead immediately, would you do? Got back in the fight, got back back in the ring. Four legger in credit to obviously Clay Matthews, somebody you know before the fight start, Hey, who you liking?

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Speaker 1: What are you feeling? What's the parlay? Who's got we swinging? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And he gave me that five legger. We died right away, but we got back in it, and look we turned it around. Came out on top. Coms out, dude, hamzat, coms out, whatever you want to call, whatever you want to call that motherfucker dog is insane. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the fight?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I fell asleep. I fell asleep. So I was just hoping for you to a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Comza comes out? Is that how you say the is it? Hamza Hamza hamzad and drickis Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There were comments on the YouTube that people are making fun.

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Speaker 3: Of They were on my ass for saying Driscus, which I understand.

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Speaker 2: But.

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Speaker 3: Buddy, this fucking performance by Hamzad like stink on ship. Bro I'm saying, the dude is smiling right when Bruce Buffer does his thing. They get to the middle, Hamzad is like ready to go, and so is Drickis. He's ready to go defend his belt again. Hell of a fighter. Drickis is a stud and Hamzad is sitting on the other side and they're both kind of crouched down, and Hamza's just smiling knowing that he's gonna run through this cat and every round because it went all five within thirty seconds. And I'm saying thirty seconds because in round four it took hams out thirty seconds, but within like fifteen seconds. Every round, Hamzad's got this motherfucker on the ground, punishing him, just just going after him. I'm just smothering him, dominating him, doing whatever he wanted to him. Was trying to like, was trying to progress, and he crucified this man like five times. Do you know what a crucifix is?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jesus died one, Yeah, what Jesus died? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But he's got, he's got drikis where he's like laid out over his body. He's controlling one arm in landing shots with his left hand, and his other arm is between Hamza's legs where he's got him crucified out on the map. He did that to him four or five times. Did you watch it, Jp? You were at the that's where you had the wedding. Did anybody else watch this fight anniversary?

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Speaker 2: Fuck?

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Speaker 1: It's okay, keep going, keep going, don't let that, don't let the derail you that you forgot.

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Speaker 3: I want some It's like I want to play off somebody in here to just how dominating of a performance. This was a lot of people thought the fight was boring. I like to those minds that want excitement and one action the whole time. I can understand why I was boring, because again, Hamsat's taking him down every round and just smothering this guy. But it's all like JP knows what I'm talking about. What positioning in MMA is everything, and Drinkis is a hell of a fighter. So a lot of the times Hamsat's smothering him and not giving him a lot of space, and Drinkis is doing a good job of staying close to him because he knows he's in fucking trouble with this motherfucker. Yeah, so I can see where he's boring. But the wrestling clinic and masterclass that Hamsa put on is insane to me. This is it's it's when people talk about wrestlers coming in and being able to dominate a match, but usually the skill level has gotten so good in the UFC to where wrestling is not the is not the end all be all. Like everybody's got skill set in Brazilian jiu jitsu, Taekwondell fuck and all the different mixed martial arts, and they got black belts and everything, and so these guys are able to their takedown defense is really good to where they can either keep them on their feet or they're very good on the ground. This dude, Hamzat is like it's like back to when MMA was starting to blow up and wrestlers were dominating it. Homsad is like it's like swinging that way in his weight class with this individual because he is so fucking good at wrestling. I'm saying every time after the third round, Drakes is sitting over there in his corner and I'm just like, at this point, what do you even say to this man other than I don't know what to fucking do. Like the dude's gonna say fight and he's gonna come out. He's taking my ass down no matter what I do. And Drakes is like trying to keep his lies and trying to find his shots. But he gets one flinch and boom double he's on his ass again. And he's so strong he gets him there. Look at this crazy like he's so good and strong that he truly couldn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're this guy, you got to post that just for the just for the meat pick, like that's a that's a nice bull you boys got on there.

00:27:08
Speaker 2: But he's just getting tossed around the yard the whole time, the whole time.

00:27:12
Speaker 3: How many a time, how many takedowns, how many takedowns were attempted? I want to say there was one that Drick has fought off one time. But Hamza white on Rice got.

00:27:23
Speaker 2: On his ass again.

00:27:24
Speaker 3: Yesstily going and so strong to where Hamzat's extended on the double lake and he's got a fighting chance to scramble and get out of it and make it interesting.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: But again the strength of this motherfucker is crazy.

00:27:38
Speaker 2: This post has control time was twenty one minutes forty seconds, twelve takedowns, five hundred and twenty nine strikes.

00:27:46
Speaker 3: Well say that control time again.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: Twenty one minutes, forty seconds.

00:27:50
Speaker 1: Twenty almost twenty two minutes of control time out of the twenty five that they fought. That's fucking wild.

00:27:58
Speaker 3: Like if him just being on top of him and again it's like you wanted to see him. He got him full mounted once. But dricis again he's he's the fucking defending champion. He's defended his belt. He's a great fighter. He had him, he had him, Hamzat mounted him, and Dricus got out of it. He was getting out of situations where it was getting dangerous for him. But as far as like getting out of the control of this psychotic yeah, Augistanian, I don't fucking know, dude, different fucking.

00:28:29
Speaker 6: Sounds like him and bow Nickel need to have a good old fashioned wrestling match.

00:28:33
Speaker 3: And Hamzat, I think will control this man anybody again, It's like there when there's a good wrestler in fighting. Fighting has gotten so good to ward. Takedown defens is a lot better. You're standing on your feet. The wrestler's got to learn how to strike.

00:28:51
Speaker 1: Uh.

00:28:51
Speaker 3: The guys who are not wrestlers, they're very good on the ground or they might have you know, they might be very comfortable in their back. This dude is different. It's Dagistan dude, and people are talking about like, oh, he just laid on him like hams out the entire times trying to work for better positioning, like you know, get trap his knee down on his elbow to to try to reposition and get maybe in a better mount position, get him into a better like what is it called when on the side the not the side guard, but a side mount, side mount. The whole crucifix thing. It's like DC Daniel Cormier was doing a great job of basically the entire time trying to educate everybody on like, Okay, here's how you can have a better crucifix having his knee right above his elbow, because the whole time he was crucifixing him, he had it in between his legs, so he couldn't get that position to where says he's got it between his legs. He's just got these little shot stories just pointing him and that's where it's boring because Hamzaut wasn't able to like keep his elbow on the ground because Drick is obviously held a fighter wasn't allowing him to. But if he was able to pin his elbow on the ground, he's able to drop bows, He's able to land shots on him.

00:29:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, more catastrophic.

00:29:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff that people would like to see. Yeah, more catastrophe. More catastrophe in this fight. Catastrophe, every catastrophe everywhere.

00:30:04
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:30:05
Speaker 3: But uh, it was like I was just in all watching the entire fight, watching how dominating of a performance this was from somebody who wasn't the champion going for the belt and was just having his way doing whatever he wanted with drinkas Jesus Christ. So he's gonna be champed for a while, I think.

00:30:21
Speaker 6: So he just has to the only problem with him going into it was like his health. You seem like because he got sick, he had to like retire for a little bit. Some of the weight cuts are giving him issues. So if he can dial that in, sounds like there might not go anywhere. There might not be another human being.

00:30:37
Speaker 3: May JP when we get off the bus, you need to go drop on YouTube and just watch that fight.

00:30:42
Speaker 6: It was like, were you trying to give examples? I see you got the bruise on your knee.

00:30:47
Speaker 3: That's that's your boy was tubing over the weekend tube a couple I almost told my goddamn labor, you forget, uh, you forget what tuban can do to your body, like when you get extended like this and you're trying to like hang on and you fall off and just I fucking almost lost.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: My entire arm. You've had that whole thing stsch up, haven't you.

00:31:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve anchors all the way around. Twelve anchors o'clock looks like twelve to twelve. That's how much damage was in my shoulder.

00:31:13
Speaker 1: Got to fix back in college.

00:31:16
Speaker 3: But I was always I was, Yeah, I was always it was a decent little psychopath on the tube growing up.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the two barrels the tube is like boys to men, like how willing are you if you're willing to put the thumb up for the extra speed on the tube? Yeah, if you're willing to keep that thumb up, but like slide me to the side of the boat because ay and also tubes have hit a new level of science the way these things. You see the ones that get airborne. Now they have like a little if you get a boat going fast up and actually there's ones that will go like ten feet in the air and you're like a damn kite. So boats and tubes have gotten better. Boats and tubes are now crushing.

00:31:54
Speaker 3: This was a little more difficult. Mich Michigan speak to it too. This one had it was a doughnut tube, so it's like a bigger and it had it had a you know, I had the circle cut in the middle. It seems like you had a that was a flat tube. Yeah, with the wings. That's a fun one right there.

00:32:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, me and me and my buddy Gabe got got launched. But we need to go the boys need to get on a boat and go tube.

00:32:18
Speaker 3: Go tube.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: Gotta get tube. He doesn't like the idea of tube.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: And see I'm trying to get it is like I got off the tube and I was just reminded of like, yeah, this isn't who's driving the boat when you're tube not young again. We use this cat shout out seth. But there's an app called like get my Boat or.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, to where you can you know, you just pop on there.

00:32:44
Speaker 3: You find a boat that you want, you have the not the pilot, the captain. And he had all the bells and whistles.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: He had a little wakeboard for surfing.

00:32:53
Speaker 3: Uh, he had the tube. He had skis if you wanted a water ski, he had all of it. We just ripped around for like I think it.

00:32:59
Speaker 1: Was four hours. I think. So you know you know what it is, you'll just put it in the GPS. Man and just shows up, shows up right apart what you're told.

00:33:11
Speaker 3: Man, no doubt.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: Preach kid, preach, where.

00:33:13
Speaker 3: Are we going today? Put in the maps, the maps.

00:33:17
Speaker 1: Just blind driving man, this out there ripping around when you're tubing. Who's the captain of your ship? Seth oh, seth so seths the guy he just goes on.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: Your captain shows up. He had a beautiful, beautiful truck. I complimented on the on the truck platinum hmmm.

00:33:33
Speaker 1: And uh yeah.

00:33:34
Speaker 3: He had this little this little boat, this speedboat, whatever the hell kind of boat it is. And he just took us out, took us down on the water for like four hours.

00:33:41
Speaker 1: I would love to get a bustle with the boys tube. But the thought of like I picture you and me on the tube and then these boys behind the helm. We're not living, we're not getting we're not gonna make it out.

00:33:52
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we'll start.

00:33:54
Speaker 1: Hitting with the thumbs down.

00:33:55
Speaker 2: You got to slow down, and then you feel it going up a little bit.

00:33:58
Speaker 1: What'd you say, Jackson laughing us off his little his phone. We're just moving around getting tossed.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: Not in reality.

00:34:04
Speaker 7: I think I'm probably the only one who's legally allowed to drive this boat because in Tennessee after nineteen ninety eight, you have to have a boater's license, really, and I have one, but I would fuck your shit up.

00:34:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:34:15
Speaker 7: But that's just that's generational because that's how dads do That's how my dad did it. It's like, yeah, yeah, if you're not throwing guys around, then it's like, what are we doing.

00:34:23
Speaker 3: That's a Southern boys bar for a little bit, and you're like, Okay, they got it, they got a decent let's crank it up on them.

00:34:29
Speaker 7: I will say, though they're feeling a little too confident bat if YouTube. After the age of like let's say like twenty three, twenty four, you realize how sore your body is.

00:34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, it's no shiit same tubed in a minute.

00:34:41
Speaker 2: It's not got it too that grip strength too.

00:34:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, that crazy man will be in shambles for the next few days.

00:34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, my buddy he had a boat. What the what is this? I thought that was Mitch. My buddy had a boat and it was like one of those tubes, but I had like a back to it, like a couch, So me and like two of my buddies would sit there and kind of it was kind of just nice. But then then then the dad would kind of be like they've been on this for too long, yeah.

00:35:07
Speaker 3: And would just rip us around. Good r I P P J.

00:35:10
Speaker 2: Man, he would fuck us up on that tube.

00:35:12
Speaker 7: Is he dead?

00:35:13
Speaker 2: Yeah? I said, man, I think that's it. Yeah. So ours was ours was blue. Ours was blue.

00:35:20
Speaker 3: Those ones get lost and you. I haven't been on one of those, but I feel like you feel vulnerable hitting the.

00:35:25
Speaker 1: Turn, just sitting up, getting moved around.

00:35:30
Speaker 2: God.

00:35:30
Speaker 3: I told Seth too before. He's like, you feel pretty confident tube, And I said, I used to double back in the day.

00:35:35
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you can rip it up a little bit. Yeah. He kind of got me off on.

00:35:38
Speaker 3: The first the first big turn and uh, he drove back over. I was like, all right, yeah, I've lost a step.

00:35:46
Speaker 1: To me.

00:35:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, like it's it's Charlie, it's her family.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: Like what am I gonna What am I gonna do? Yeah, rude Charlie. Charlie tube was rude.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: But again it was like a we had like a donut tube. So I felt a little too big, like rubbing like below me. I just didn't feel comfortable like trying to maneuver my own body around her.

00:36:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which.

00:36:14
Speaker 3: Is tough because it's like, you know, yeah, like you can you can hit the side a little bit, but when you're held on the straight away, you know how you like to just kind of like lay on your stomach to let your your arm strength like regain its rest, like give your grip a little rest. And when you have the hole cut out in the middle, it's kind of just hard to hard to get comfortable. Then when you're climbing up, it's like you've got to balance on that tube part versus just being on a flat tube. You can just get up on your knees and you're engaging core. How do you get some rest?

00:36:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get some rest? That looks fun? Yeah, that see that that that'll fuck us up.

00:36:49
Speaker 3: That's a squad one.

00:36:50
Speaker 1: That's like the thing, you know, the thing that the park as a kid, where it was like the big circle and you'd sit in it and then you'd spin the middle of the wheel and then kids the velocity would just take the kids out. One is that a Merry go round, But it's like the it's like this, it's like a blue thing and it has seats and then there's a pole in the middle with like a disc and you rotate the disc and it.

00:37:11
Speaker 3: Rotates all the kids.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: Then everyone's like you could hold on the longest and then it always goes so fast. At the smallest kid, you know, he just gets just sacrificed like a lamb, Like he just shoots out five six feet.

00:37:24
Speaker 3: We'd be doing that with just a regular you know, saucer. One where it's just got the rail in there and you just got to hold onto the rail and somebody's just psychotically spinning and you're just like hanging on.

00:37:32
Speaker 1: To the rail.

00:37:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: You see the ones where they take like a they get like a quad and they get like a string and tie it to it and then they just take off and you see the people just get ripped out of there. That shit is that sh it's too much? Do we have we have big news. I have redemption coming. If you're watching this on Tuesday today Kansas City, I'm throwing out the first pitch to Will Compton. Big redemption are fans at FanDuel. They're giving away ten thousand dollars in bonus bets. Ten thousand dollars in bonus bets, truly on if I have a catchable or not catchable throw, which is hilarious and disrespectful all at the same time, because a lot of people would be like striker ball, we can kind of assume it's gonna be a ball. It's really how much does Will have to move his body with that tight back to catch the ball?

00:38:23
Speaker 2: That I think?

00:38:24
Speaker 1: Do we know that for sure? I believe yes, I don't I can ever say for sure. No guarantees.

00:38:29
Speaker 3: You have to figure out the rules.

00:38:31
Speaker 1: My unders catchable or not catchable?

00:38:35
Speaker 3: But yeah, given away, Yeah, ten thousand dollars in bonus bets. So you picked the boy throws catchable ball or not.

00:38:41
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, go ahead and bet catchable. I've been putting in some work I've been getting after it. It seems like every damn day. I bug you every single day when we're in the office. Let's go get a game of catch in. Even Will's in the middle of working, he's doing before the dad stuff. He's got his note pad out, he's playing on his iPad, and I'm like, hey, I need you to come out and get this me real quick. So we're putting in the work. We've done some meditating, we does some visualization. I think this fuck it this week literally happens tomorrow. But maybe tomorrow before we go, we go get on a diamond real quick. You know what, fuck it, We're not doing that.

00:39:13
Speaker 2: I'm going in. I'm a raw dog in this grip and rip. It's time.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hay's in the barn. Get a couple of good ones this afternoon. Five to ten throws. Just feel it, just feel it, put it in there and let's make a catch able ball.

00:39:28
Speaker 3: The Hayes not in the bar until you get out there.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: The work is well. When yeah, when you go to play a football game, you still got to play the game.

00:39:36
Speaker 3: But Hayes the barn.

00:39:38
Speaker 1: Goes.

00:39:38
Speaker 3: Will we talket the preparation again. It's like, we got to get there early so you can feel the stadium.

00:39:45
Speaker 1: There's still some work to be done there. Yeah, but do when I go home? Am I out there playing with my kids right now? No, I'm I'm icing my shoulder. I'm sitting criss cross Apple Sauce in the corner of our house. I got meditation music going. I'm doing deep breaths.

00:39:58
Speaker 2: That's what's happening when I'm at home, right My.

00:40:00
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00:40:16
Speaker 3: No underscore, will Compton underscore.

00:40:18
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00:41:01
Speaker 3: Com WTB the Live Show again. We will be in Linked, Nebraska September nineteenth doing a live show before the big game Ischig, Nebraska on September twentieth, but you can get those tickets at BWTV dot com. It will be at the Rococo Theater and Linked, Nebraska on Friday Night. Special guests, food, drinks, fun banter, getting the juices flowing before giveaways, the trophy game, the bust and Bowl.

00:41:25
Speaker 1: God, a lot going on, man, a lot going on. Catastrophe.

00:41:33
Speaker 2: There's so much more I want to talk about, but I feel we should wait.

00:41:35
Speaker 3: I know the college football, the football, So it's just knowing that football's back just has us all so excited and it's starting to you start to feel it like when you're driving to work, when you're consuming your content. Football is truly there's games getting played this weekend.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, games getting paid this weekend. NFL. James Cook, he's holding out a little bit of the Bills. He just got paid forty eight million dollars. He's locks dot two smoking barrels for the Bills to make that final push.

00:42:02
Speaker 3: Get over the hump.

00:42:03
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson right now with the Bengals, he's saying, I don't want to play for y'all anymore.

00:42:08
Speaker 2: You got to pay me. I'm looking at Max Crosby.

00:42:10
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, I want that type of money. Their first round pick goes from his holdout. He almost went back to A and M. What's gonna happen with the Bengals. Their defense wasn't great last year, but their offense was amazing. Dude, It's an exciting time of year, an exciting time.

00:42:26
Speaker 3: So that Trey Hendrickson's on the Yeah, that's what we were just.

00:42:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of teams. Yeah, there's a lot of teams out there that so Will brought up a good point. Trey Hendrickson, he's very upset. He wants to get paid. He looks at Max Crosby, TJ Watt, Miles Garret, He's like, I want to get paid that much. The first round pick. He was at A and M thinking about going back to college. But now he's back in so really think is this a viable option? Get rid of Trey Hendrickson. But now Trey Henderson. You got the Cowboys calling, you got the Titans called, you got the Raiders calling, You got a whole bunch of teams calling saying we want this salty white cat on our team.

00:42:58
Speaker 2: Did you about Trey Hendrickson?

00:43:01
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. I think we should give a shout out.

00:43:03
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Or see James Cook got a bag? James Cook four years for the barrels.

00:43:09
Speaker 2: They're looking to take the next step.

00:43:11
Speaker 1: Get over the hump of the Super Bowl lockstot to two smoking barrels. Those guys are ready to go out there. Catastrophic intro Quins and Judkins.

00:43:22
Speaker 3: What's going on with him?

00:43:23
Speaker 1: He's expected to return. Prosecutors drop Quinn Shawn Judkins, Prosecutors dropped Chargers Bank. He's ready to go. He's got no criminal liability going on. Isaiah Bond. He just signed with the Browns. They got Judkins also on the on the Browns, so prosecutors drop him. Isaiah Bond, he's also at the Browns. And meanwhile DeShawn walks and sitting in the background of the Browns. They're just like, hey, eighties raiders.

00:43:49
Speaker 3: Let's beat him.

00:43:50
Speaker 1: Let's fucking beat him out here. They're doing what they're doing. Dylan Gabriel's comment, there's entertainers and competitors.

00:43:57
Speaker 3: Man, he knows which one he is.

00:43:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.

00:44:00
Speaker 1: It's like, is that a shot or is he basically just is he just talking about being a competitor.

00:44:04
Speaker 6: I don't think it had anything to do with same the media because.

00:44:08
Speaker 1: When you when you see the quote, you think Shad, but then you watch him talking and you're like, oh, he's just talking about the world and like what he he knows what his role is and he knows what he has to do, right.

00:44:18
Speaker 6: Because exactly because she was asking about how do you handle like all the media pressure, whatever it is, and I think he was saying, yeah, the media are whatever, are trying to entertain people and we're like actually playing the game. You had nothing to do with Shad.

00:44:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how the internet is, man, I know, dude, dude. The Browns are a fun team to watch this here.

00:44:41
Speaker 6: That's a they got a great lawyer.

00:44:43
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, man, they really do.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: Shadura out there, he's doing his thing. He's kind of souncing the haters a little bit. Even if he doesn't start at the beginning the year, it's probably gonna be Joe Flacco's job. Miles Garret, it's out there just walking. Johnny Grays lit this piece flapping.

00:45:02
Speaker 6: The wind Spencer the Saints, the game winning drives Spencer.

00:45:05
Speaker 1: Kellen Morris sitting there with Kay Adams a couple of days ago, still not willing to say who his starting quarterback is.

00:45:12
Speaker 2: So we got there's a lot going on.

00:45:13
Speaker 1: NFC South is an odd it's an odd ball world. I feel like it's a Falcons. It's a Falcons division this year.

00:45:20
Speaker 3: I disagree.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: I think it's Bucks.

00:45:22
Speaker 3: Oh good point, good point, strong point. I think it's Bucks.

00:45:26
Speaker 1: Hex takes a step. I could see the Penix taking a step back.

00:45:29
Speaker 3: I can see Pics taking a step step. But I just think like the Bucks are the team to beat in the South. Like I say, I think the Bucks would be really good in the a f C in general.

00:45:37
Speaker 1: Just yeah, especially if they ever went to the a f C. Yeah, did I say AFC or NFC? Yeah, you're oh yeah, Trey Henderson, he wants to go. Did y'all see our local Atlanta news?

00:45:49
Speaker 7: Did penis so dirty?

00:45:56
Speaker 2: Crazy troll?

00:45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah? It has been in headlines. Dick jokes have been a big head lines in the past week, So shout out Atlanta getting.

00:46:03
Speaker 3: In on that.

00:46:05
Speaker 1: You guys, well, you see guys up to It's a copycat league, man, it's a copycat league.

00:46:18
Speaker 3: JP had a dig joke on Twitter.

00:46:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and I loved the first comment was so pure. They're like, this reminds me of that nerve football. I'm like, yeah, okay, exactly.

00:46:32
Speaker 1: That was insane, nice looking peace.

00:46:36
Speaker 2: I wish I saw this cloud piece. I wish I saw it.

00:46:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, I put a date on it.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: Alright, that's good. That's good.

00:46:48
Speaker 2: Should have been.

00:46:48
Speaker 3: There'll be another one DNS yesterday. Yeah, congratulations, man, dude.

00:46:53
Speaker 6: Somebody sent me a video of the Thank you.

00:46:57
Speaker 2: Somebody sent me.

00:46:57
Speaker 6: A video of the relay of like a longer video of the pool relay, which I hadn't seen before on release footage Wow.

00:47:05
Speaker 3: Really luckily, luckily.

00:47:07
Speaker 6: For you they started it after that first leg.

00:47:10
Speaker 3: Okay, buddy, actually you might still be in the water.

00:47:14
Speaker 6: I think I might be out. Yeah, but yeah, no, it was fun. We were down in Florida and it was the sunsets out there. Dude, we freaking we're three for three.

00:47:27
Speaker 1: It was it was that your drone.

00:47:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, the birds flying across you cannot. I meant it truly left us both speech us when you because you see it a little bit on your screen when you're filming it, But then when you go back and actually look at the footage, you're like, we'll never never gonna.

00:47:42
Speaker 1: Be able to top this.

00:47:44
Speaker 6: God, God, one year it goes by fast, goes by fast.

00:47:50
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

00:47:51
Speaker 1: It's crazy how fast that the whole thing goes It's wild that just a year ago, you guys are doing a pool party and I was driving ten hours to a wedding to spend four hours and now look at us, huh, all.

00:48:01
Speaker 6: For nothing to just because you got back and they they got delayed.

00:48:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

00:48:08
Speaker 6: We needed we need to take it out on them.

00:48:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he think you.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Think what.

00:48:16
Speaker 2: He should just enter? Let him come in.

00:48:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just get him on the bus.

00:48:22
Speaker 1: Get bay News. Probably Baye not for the public right now, but we have a massive guest locked in for this Thursday, locked in for this Thursday, and they will be coming out the following week. Give you a hint, and it's not what you think.

00:48:45
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00:49:37
Speaker 1: Before we get paid on the bus, he's just walked on or just got to the shop. We did have a little small, a small get together at my house on Friday. JP was waiting to find out who won. We had to let you know the information. We played the game t yet again. If you've read applause with Mitch Carsley handling business nice taking me out of the.

00:49:56
Speaker 2: Championship with it, y'all two versus each other.

00:49:59
Speaker 1: It was Mitch first one. First one Mitch grabbed, no problem. The second one, Mitch was doing the thing where he jumps roll high in the air. So he did. I just see him right in the head on a highlight. Yeah, I trained. He tried a dunk on me, really, so I got I got his hippy. He went a crazy distance and I went and got that thing. And then the third one was very anti climactic. He saw it, he hunted it down like he'd seeking missile and took the championship. Yeah, I played fun. Oh yeah, it was awesome. Yeah.

00:50:25
Speaker 3: It might be a top it might be the top pool game. I mean, without really.

00:50:33
Speaker 1: Into it, it's like, when's the last time as an adult you had that much fun playing a pool game. Obviously pulled basketball, pool, volleyball like those are tough to beat.

00:50:41
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like.

00:50:43
Speaker 6: I love that draining game.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: What's the drain game?

00:50:46
Speaker 1: Splash ballater bombs? You are right about that's hold on, fill me in a little bit.

00:50:53
Speaker 3: So what I was gonna say is all around, I think t is the best water game because you can kind of make that happen and whatever kind of pull you're in. Some of these games are circumstantial, which gutterball. If you have a pool, you got a big enough pool, usually it's had a public pool, but they got you know how, they got the gutters on the side, and you you take a splash ball and it's.

00:51:09
Speaker 1: Like two on two.

00:51:09
Speaker 3: You kind of figure out how how wide you can go, but you're trying to skip it into the gutter. So it's just offense defense. You're trying to make sick diving catches trying to skip it.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: Fun get the.

00:51:20
Speaker 3: Side arm going. Gutterball is a blast, bro. We got to get that dialed in. What you got someone to present to you, guys on the bus, present a very special guest.

00:51:34
Speaker 1: Ladies, gentlemen, Josh future Commissioner of College Football Josh pat Is on the bus. Some people say he is college football.

00:51:45
Speaker 3: Some people say he is college football.

00:51:48
Speaker 1: I got you what you got there, dude, je.

00:51:51
Speaker 2: Honestly, that's just meo caffeinated water. It's really what you drink it out of. That's probably the bigger deal. I've never let anyone else on box one of these things.

00:52:03
Speaker 1: What's it say you shouldn't have.

00:52:08
Speaker 3: Paid state Chalice of supremacy.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: That's the same stuff they make the crystal football out of. That's not true, but that looks like the same stuff they make the crystal football does.

00:52:17
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

00:52:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what does this mean? What does this mean for us? Are we part of like the Pate Illuminati?

00:52:24
Speaker 2: Honestly, you determined what it means for you. I hand out about fifteen twenty of those a year, mostly to family and friends. So we're gonna go backwards on this. So look, balls in your court now, My balls are in your court. You you kind of gave us a gift, you something in return, not necessarily today, but yeah, I mean I don't just give gifts and not expect some of you.

00:52:47
Speaker 1: But yeah, you never do something for somebody, just have the kindness of your heart.

00:52:50
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Absolutely, Charity is one of the best businesses to be in. I think we all know that it's very profitable.

00:52:54
Speaker 1: And I will say, we knew you'd probably bring gifts, so we brought you something as well. Okay, you want to see it now?

00:53:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think it'll determine the mood the rest of the day. Okay, Yeah, thanks buddy.

00:53:04
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00:53:37
Speaker 3: No way? We're on the bus, bro.

00:53:39
Speaker 2: It's really tough to do, yati, we are Your arms look incredible. Thank you.

00:53:43
Speaker 1: It seems like you have a great V going on as well.

00:53:46
Speaker 2: It's tough to accomplish, you know that.

00:53:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I haven't accomplished.

00:53:49
Speaker 2: It, do you. You seem like you've got it the pump. If you have free time on your hands and you just shop at G and C regularly enough, that's not hard. The V is tough in your twenties, it's not so tough. Google says I'm fifty five. I'm not fifty five years old. They've got me mixed up with that other Josh Pate. But I'm not twenty five either. So the V is it's a challenge. Are you willing to uh tell us how old you actually are? I'm in my thirties, okay, are we talking? We're talking thirty nine for the next six months? Y yeah, not forty eight. Do you look good? I appreciate it. For forty I appreciate it. Yeah. We got a little free time in the middle of the day. That's how we do it. Yeah, you got to work at five am and ten pm. Keep the middle of the day free. That's when the gem's empty, that's when the sun's out. That's how to prolong your life, like ten to fifteen years.

00:54:38
Speaker 3: Take it in, box it up, put it. What does for people that see that the pay state machine happening? What does a daily cadence look like for you on prepping for your shows? Because you rock live? How many times a week?

00:54:50
Speaker 1: Three?

00:54:51
Speaker 2: Three times a week?

00:54:51
Speaker 3: Three times a week? You rock live, I'm traveling all the time. You're also a married man, Like, what does a daily routine look like for Josh Paton? When you're firing on all cylinders?

00:55:01
Speaker 2: So we're doing so it's usually five a wake up. There's all the any kind of programming, any kind of like I like to watch a previous night show and grade it on a rubric, kind of like you were a great film the day after you played a football game. We got like a rubric where we kind of grade performance on air. Then there's the engagement stuff. Then you do a whole lot of media. In the morning, you'll do meetings in the morning. We will do show prep part one production meeting. Then we'll go to the gym. We'll get to the office for basically hardcore show prep from three PCE Central until show airs. Show airs at seventh Central POSTPROD that'll probably end nine thirty, go home ten thirty to elevens when you're trying to finish calls that you tried to make throughout the day and hopefully in bed by eleven up at what time? Five? Five?

00:55:49
Speaker 1: Which machine?

00:55:50
Speaker 2: Which is hard machine? Did you ever, like, did either one of you ever get conditioned to pre work out, get conditioned like morning workout?

00:55:57
Speaker 6: Oh?

00:55:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did it. Did you ever get to where you say this is not a problem for me? Because I never did?

00:56:03
Speaker 3: Like, get what do you mean? This is not a problem.

00:56:05
Speaker 2: I always feel sick. I feel sick if I have to work out at five o'clock in the morning. I've done it, like for years playing sports. I did it, but I never got into a sweet spot with it, and so it surprises me that I'm able to like normally wake up like my dad used to do. I used to think my dad was a psychopath because he woke up at four forty five every morning on his own. And now I'm like that. But I never thought I would be a morning person. I was always stay up until two am, sleep until nine. And now it's totally inverted, which is good because you get the most work done in the morning.

00:56:34
Speaker 3: I feel like I've had to teach myself to get used to working out like in the afternoon or in the evening if I can't get.

00:56:41
Speaker 1: It done in the morning.

00:56:42
Speaker 3: So I feel like, if I don't get my work out done in the morning, I'm just behind on everything. I'll have a little bit more anxiety. So I would rather if I have to wake up earlier, like do whatever I have to in the morning before I get the day gone.

00:56:55
Speaker 2: Well, your gym's forty five feet away now too.

00:56:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point.

00:56:58
Speaker 1: If that the thing that yeah, the morning work out to me, I am now training myself that we have the sore next gym at our shop. It's like, all right, get the stuff done, do your little routine in the morning, and then once you get the bulk of your stuff done, take the forty five to an hour and get the work out and then But I'm very much like, wake up in the morning, have your disciplines or whatever you want to get done, and then start your day and it makes you feel good. But if you're waking up at five every single morning, I find myself Wednesday or Thursday finding that lull, finding that drag because I don't find a lot of times for naps.

00:57:28
Speaker 2: That's where the season matters, because in April there's nothing. There's no light at the tunnel at the end of the week, right, I mean unless you're going on vacation or something. That's why this time of year. Like, so we're sitting here talking week zero starts this weekend, then next weekend everyone will be playing, and I like, I call that season protocol. So someone out there is watching this or listening to this, and there their Wednesday's gonna suck. And if your Wednesday sucks in March, your Wednesday just sucks in March. If your Wednesday sucks in October, you knowe, no matter how bad it gets today, I got Michigan kicking off. I got Nebraska kicking off, like seventy two hours or ninety six hours. That's where that that whole key, it gets put in the ignition and it gets turned. How do you have a bad day in the fall.

00:58:11
Speaker 1: That It's true, there's always something to look forward to every single week. The hopes and dreams we were talking about on the intro, it's like, what do you like every week? There's something to look forward to.

00:58:20
Speaker 2: That's where people so casual fans who watch football if it's on at a bar or if they're at a buddy's house, they don't get that. But see, they'll make fun of people who are diehard sports fans, and I always like, I'm in on the joke with them, because the joke is on them, because you don't have this thing in your life that for six months out of the year makes everything that's bad during the week right because you have it to look forward to. What are you looking forward to if you don't have this in your life. I've got God in my life, I got family in my life, and then I got college football six months out of the year in my life. Even if you have the first two, what's filling the third void? There's three great voids in life. This up like some kind of monks said this at one point.

00:59:03
Speaker 1: He did sound like a modern philosophy.

00:59:04
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, you're juicing me up because you're right. It's like God, selfless, family, selfless. But what's that selfish thing? Yeah, that's pushing you to the end of the week that you could just get giddy about.

00:59:17
Speaker 2: I don't know what else it is. I know it. People have other passions but I don't know what other thing that people really partake in. Like, I guess if you were a big fan of a musician, they're gonna come to your town one time out of the year. If you're a big like Marvel fan, their movie is gonna come out, and it's gonna come out one time a year. We get this boom boom, boom boom every Saturday.

00:59:38
Speaker 1: Every they drop every weekend in the fall, and you know it's coming every single time.

00:59:42
Speaker 2: It's great.

00:59:42
Speaker 1: Talk to me about how the origin of college football love started for you, because when when you were here a couple of weeks ago, we started breaking down.

00:59:49
Speaker 3: You play a little bit of high school. You're more a baseball.

00:59:52
Speaker 1: Guy than you really didn't do anything in college, but you just found the love, and then you've obviously turned into the college football guru you are today.

00:59:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. I grew up in it like I was immersed in it. So the stereotype about kids who grew up in the South like that was me. So it was no different than that. What I wondered for a long time is like, Okay, if I'm not going to play it, I don't look like I'm going to get a scholarship to Syracuse or Northwestern or one of those big journalism schools. So everyone I see on TV has one pretty much, or either they're a former player or former coach, and I'm none of those. So it looks like maybe I won't be able to do this for a living. So I'm just gonna watch it and I'm gonna love it like all my buddies do. So then what was crazy? You guys have seen this just like I have twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen rolls around. I've been doing radio for a little while. But like when I pulled up Facebook one day and someone was live streaming, or when I pulled up YouTube one day and someone was live streaming. I wasn't around for the Berlin Wall. But in our world, in my world, and the non former player, non former coach, non big journalism degree world, those were the Berlin coming down because overhead and distribution was the name of the game. Well, your overhead here is a bus that you tricked out, and your distribution is the Internet. And so once that became the two game changers in the space, I realized, oh wait, maybe I can, Like if I'm half good at it, maybe I can do that, you can truly bet on yourself at that point. Up until that point, even if you did everything right, there were like five or six gatekeepers that really determined who scaled, who made it, and who didn't. So it went well, it went from passion that I loved it and but that's going to be a hobby, that's what I do for fun, to maybe I can do that for a living. So I would say from birth I loved it. About ten years ago is when I realized there could be something professionally. There's a career.

01:01:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, what were the learning curves like when you were trying to hit your breakthroughs or break through the ceilings that you had on top of you, or that you assumed was on top of you.

01:01:52
Speaker 2: Well, it takes so many chops. It's like full Greg Ciano. I mean, the guy has set up there in Rutgers for years. Every Thursday night it felt like they play a game, And every Thursday night he'd get on air and he'd say, we got to keep chopping wood, we got to kee chopping wood. And I listened to that. It's like in one ear out the other that's coaching speak, that's cliches. But then when you start doing this. I mean I for a long time. I'm happy if we get double digit viewers on a live stream. I'm happy if we've got seventeen, like we're pushing twenty tonight, and so that's a big deal. Well, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what I have to do to get millions of viewers, millions of subscribers and listens. And I mistakenly thought, you've got to do way better work. You could be doing the right work. It just takes a while to cut through, which is a good thing. You actually want your big break really quickly. But it's a blessing that the big break doesn't come because you actually may not be ready for the big break when you're praying for it. So it's actually a blessing that you're three four years down the road. Is when like a Shannon Terry calls you up, because then you've got your thousands of hours of repetition. You've got a persona a little bit like you've got an identity. You know who you are, you know what your presentation is. You're not trying to emulate anyone anymore. Like you have your influences just like we all do. But you've divorced yourself from trying to be as repetitively like comparable to them as possible, And so it's just being comfortable not being seen or heard for a long time and understanding it may be a blessing that no one's seeing you, were hearing you for a little while. And then the competition's out there quitting every day because they're not getting the results. So unbeknownst to you, they're like five thousand people that started at the same time you did, and there are about three to five spots at the top of the ladder in what you do, and so there it's like ten years down the road before you could ever achieve it, and you can't see your competition. I'm in Columbus, Georgia doing what I'm doing. There may be a guy in Des Moines, Iowa, maybe a goat in Twison in Arizona, and every day, like five or ten of them are tapping out because no one's watching them. Right, That is hard to adjust to if you don't have perspective about yourself.

01:03:53
Speaker 3: I heard a U.

01:03:54
Speaker 1: That's powerful shit right there, Josh Bai. That is bro Yeah, absolutely, I mean that is chopping what.

01:04:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like anybody who's tuning in and thinking about something other, curious or interested in doing something that would be a conversation that they should that they're probably sitting there and self talking themselves on do I want to do this? Or if they're in the middle of something right now and they're not getting the love that they think they should be getting right now, like that, right there is a great perspective to lean on.

01:04:19
Speaker 2: Take consistent action. Yeah, eventually you'll be rewarded for all the things you do. That's it. Hey, even if you're not, even if you don't get the reward you think you're owed, You'll never lay in bed at night wondering, Man, I wonder what would happen if I didn't quit, Or I wonder what would have happened if I pursued that. That was like in the times where our traction was nothing, And like I'm trying to work part time to even stay from getting evicted. You're still telling yourself, Yeah, but I'm doing what I love. I'm pursuing what I love. So I'd rather just go broke doing this than go take like there was a job. I remember this the convention and Trade center in the town I grew up in there was a job. It would have paid me sixty thousand dollars a year, way more money than I had ever made at any point. That was like double what I was making local TV. I could have taken that and been totally fine the rest of my life. I would have escalated up through middle management, upper management, but I would have never known. And also, since that's the mid to late twenty teens, congruent to me tapping out, someone else would have blown up in the college space, or two or three people would have blown up in the college space, and I'd be sitting here in twenty twenty five watching their channel, subscribe to their stuff, downloading their pods, and I would think to myself this whole time, I'm not happy, I'm not fulfilled, because deep down, I think that should have been.

01:05:32
Speaker 1: Me with with that mindset of being like I'm gonna keep this going. I want like I'm doing what I love regardless if the money's not coming in. Did you have that thought process the entire time or was there ever a point where you're like, Okay, maybe I should pack this.

01:05:45
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's not for me.

01:05:46
Speaker 1: I see these other guys that maybe because once you start doing something, you become more aware of what everybody else is kind of doing trying to do around you. Yep, and you gotta see, maybe this guy to your left is getting a little more views than you. He started to do a little bit better than you. That can be a little bit like comparison is the thief of joy, Like you're losing it? How is he doing better than I am? Was there ever, like a maybe I should take that sixty thousand dollars a year job and work through middle management? Or was it very consistent like I'm going to keep doing this and keep chopping on.

01:06:12
Speaker 2: I would say there were individual moments where yeah, there was doubt, but I would say they were fleeting, Like the consistent theme was I'm going to see this through, like I'm going to steer the ship into the fog. If I hit the rocks, I hit the rocks. But like, I think that's the way I'm supposed to go, right. I think the other thing you hit on there is something that's the stupidest thing that exists in our space, like in the digital media space. People don't know how to define competition in our space. People treat competition in digital media like it's nineteen ninety three. So in nineteen ninety three, if you got Busting going on and I got my show going on, and we're both airing in Nashville, Tennessee, from three to seven pm in the afternoon, every listener you get is one I can't get. There is no on demand, There is no replay, there is no download the pod tomorrow morning if you miss the live show. So we got to beat each other's throats, and I got to do whatever I got to do on the streets. I got to get in the pocket of advertisers and take you guys out, because that's how I'm going to survive. Twenty twenty five is not like that. Twenty twenty five is high tide raises all boats. It is on demand. The audience is in full control, and so when you do good, if I have my head on straight, it actually helps me. So all that gets in your way is ignorance or jealousy. Now, and it's crazy. It's as old as canaan able, so it'll always be there. But to watch the guys who don't get it, and who still try and talk about being competitive, and they think competitive means taking views from someone that's not the way the industry works anymore. And I really look, there was a whole bunch. I didn't know. There's a whole bunch. I still don't know. But I realized early on. If I'm watching other people who are doing college football on digital media, I'm rooting for them. I'm not looking at their viewership as being twice mine and saying, dude, I'm so envy of that. How do I take that for myself? What I'm thinking is, how do I make sure I'm in there justted videos feed? How do I make sure I get some rub with their channel? How do I make sure their audience sees me. I'm going to be active in their comment section. I'm going to do that. But the competition, Doude, it's so misunderstood. The competitions with a standard. It's not with anybody else that's in the space, at least I don't think it is in twenty twenty five.

01:08:18
Speaker 1: Dude, I could not. I couldnot agree with that thought process. More, like you said, every everybody, there's so many eyes and ears in this world. And if you're a fan of sports and you go find we were talking about new heights, like they just said, Tai swift on. They had seventeen million views unbelieved on Wednesday. That's a win for everything, Like you're allowed, you're bringing more eyes and ears and hopefully they come and see you a little bit as well, and you get to snap off. You know, one percent of those people want to stay with you and watch you as well. It's such an interesting change when you go from playing competitive sports yes, where everyone is like you know, you walk into a room it's high school. You walk into a room there's a starting left tackle. I want to be the starting left tackle. So now I'm competing with him back and forth trying to get that job. And then obviously if you're able to get it, you're trying to get a scholarship. It's always competing for self. And then going to a world like this, it's like you have to kind of turn off the thought process of competing with others to now you're competing with yourself and how do you make your brand and quality as good as possible. So when people do stumble upon you, it's like all right, like you're giving them something that they want to come back to.

01:09:17
Speaker 2: Think about this also, what do you want out of it? Like you could be of the mentality that all I want to do is grow my brand individually, make as much money as I can. You can be purely selfish about it, and that's your business. Like, if you want to be that way, I don't advise it, but I'm not going to tell you not to be that way. But like, think about fundamentally, what you get to do. You get to Both of you played the game. I'm sitting here having not even played the game. I'm strictly taking from football. And it's the stupidest mentality in the world to have where you make life changing money, sitting by a microphone talking about a sport. To think, Oh, I don't owe anything to this space. I don't owe anything that game. I don't owe anything to the community at large. I don't know how you make it long term thinking like that. I don't know how you make it in life thinking like that much less make it professionally. Boy, that Nebraska had looks so good.

01:10:14
Speaker 3: You like it. I thought you would have one on too.

01:10:16
Speaker 1: I know that you know.

01:10:18
Speaker 3: I watched your show last night. I heard I saw the clip obviously, but I also consume the entirety of your show last night, and I had a little little shit eating grin when I heard you say biggest Nebraska supporter in the city of Nashville, so I assumed that you'd probably have on something Nebraska related. I dare I ask, are you going to be on the road with us next week at Arrowhead, Nebraska Cincinnati, being the Nebraska supporter that you are, which fires me up because you're a monster in the space. So hey, more Nebraska supporters, the better.

01:10:51
Speaker 2: Here's the problem I have. The problem I have is if I'm at Arrowhead next week and then I'm at the buss and Bowl a few weeks later, the public starts to talk about Nebraska homersm, the public starts to throw allegations that I can't afford right now, and so I've got to choose one or the other.

01:11:07
Speaker 3: But it wouldn't that be better? Because isn't the bias of Josh paid is that you're an SEC homer.

01:11:12
Speaker 2: It really depends on who you're listening to, because you go around the South and they'll tell you do you slurp the Big ten too much? And the Big ten will definitely tell you the opposite, And then some guy randomly throw big twelve homersm at me. The other day. And there's not a Big twelve homer on the planet, by the way, that's not even a thing that they say, I don't know, don't go one that sits in the back there.

01:11:32
Speaker 3: He loves big twelve football.

01:11:34
Speaker 2: By the Big twelve. But everybody thinks you're making it a charity case when you say that, I'm talking about people who would like in Predator take the machete across the chest they bleed Big twelve. Those people are hard to find, and so when you get at you get accused of being one. It's almost like a badge of honor in a weird way, because it's the safest allegation you can own that, And if you're a big twelve homer, no one hates you. So that's actually the one I want, but it's not the one I have.

01:12:02
Speaker 3: Did you hear the little nuggety through in there the Easter Egg if he's at the bust?

01:12:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so you come in so yeah, Honestly, if it's my perfect world, would love to have you at the bust and bowl over Arrowhead.

01:12:14
Speaker 2: Do you worry that you may overshadow the game that day? I think me we're getting to the point where the juice around the Bust and Bowl. I'm just do if you think you talked to Sharon, you talk to Matt Rule, and then you talk to you guys. Do you think that there may be leading up to kickoff a little concern the game's being overshadowed because Bust and Bowl is in town.

01:12:38
Speaker 1: I think that's pressure and pressure makes diamonds. Yeah, and one team will rise to the occasion and one team won't. It's a reason why it's the greatest trophy game in all of college.

01:12:46
Speaker 2: Football, which I disagree with.

01:12:48
Speaker 1: Well, we can get into that. We all have opinions, no matter how wrong or right they are. We all have opinions, right yep.

01:12:55
Speaker 3: So also, what we're bringing eyes and ears to the game that we love, to the teams that we love.

01:12:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're giving back to the game these guys.

01:13:01
Speaker 1: These guys want it, they need it, they gotta have it. They look at that Bust and Bull trophy that's in ann Arbor, Michigan right now, that's sitting in their player's locker room or their players lounge, whatever it is, and they smile when they walk past it. They think busting with the boys. They think tradition, rich history, two elite programs that have been a staple of college football since the time they planted their block N and M.

01:13:25
Speaker 2: That fires me up.

01:13:26
Speaker 1: They're proud, so that fires me up. September twentieth, two teams will enter, one team will leave Victoria.

01:13:32
Speaker 2: One day that trophy could be Florida Rosdale, Florida. One day, that trophy could be Florida. I got one trophy on my set. Is it the Pig, and it's the pig Pig? Is that Minnesota, Minnesota, Iowa?

01:13:44
Speaker 1: Minnesota, Iowa. That's the greatest trophy you think.

01:13:46
Speaker 2: I love? I love it is the greatest trophy in sports. I think it's better than the Stanley Cup. I just love. It's got to name. It's a pig named Floyd. It's a pig. It's a trophy, that's a statue. They've got the acts.

01:13:58
Speaker 1: You probably know the Big ten Wisconsin, Minnesota.

01:14:02
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

01:14:03
Speaker 1: That's a good one. And honestly, as a pig lover, I had a peg in college. His name was doctor Hamlet. The third I can have respect and love for that trophy. Don't hold a candle to the bust and bawl don't hold a candle to Paul Bunyan trophy.

01:14:15
Speaker 2: And you're not biased in anyway like you're speaking about this from an unbiased perspective.

01:14:19
Speaker 1: I think if you look at I mean, just pull up, just pull up a picture of the bust and Bowl trophy.

01:14:23
Speaker 3: If we're talking about looks.

01:14:25
Speaker 2: Alone, butment Cinnamon as well. Yeah, there's sentiment on my side with Floyd. I can't understand. I'm not knocking this trophy. This is a very good trophy. In time, I think it could elevate in meaning. I think this year goes a long way in that. Yeah, I mean, Floyd's been around since the Mayflower.

01:14:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only one I would agree with you. I I could say I would have the speaking for myself, biased towards the bus and Bowl. But in all totality, you can't just have a one sided bust and Bowl trophy, you know, can I bet very young, we're in our youth stages right now.

01:14:58
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01:15:55
Speaker 1: Back to the episode, but.

01:15:56
Speaker 2: Can we go back for just yes, So you're talking about pressure, and you were talking about pressure making diamonds and big game coming up. That's what four weeks from now? What date is that? September twentieth, but like before August ends, you got a first pitch coming up?

01:16:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually it's tomorrow.

01:16:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so tonight.

01:16:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're watching the show, it is tonight.

01:16:19
Speaker 2: Can I give you my take on this, because everyone's going to try and hype you up. Everyone's going to tell you don't be nervous. You're going to be nervous if you remain in your current state. So folks like to listen to music before they go do stuff like this. Folks like to do push ups or do the armbands. If you'll pop three niquil thirty minutes before you throw out this first pitch, you will be fine. You'll go inner third, outer third, You'll be able to location spot, you'll be fine. You fall asleep afterwards, yeah, but you will be totally fine, and you hardly will even remember the experience, but you'll have the film. Like George Bush after nine to eleven, you'll be able to go back and you'll be able to say, Dude, I fell asleep in the dugout after this, but that was sixty three on the black.

01:17:01
Speaker 1: Tell me why Nike will, how'd you get there? I thought you were going to say something on the lines of visualization. No, I thought you were going to compliment my throwing abilities is we've actually played catch.

01:17:10
Speaker 2: We have, but that wasn't Kaufman Stadium. You're going to Coffman, right, You're going to Kansas City. Yes, yes, I just all due respect to the alley back here. There's not a there's not a waterfall in center field in the alley back here. Could make quick trip. By the way, one of my big partners is the presenting sponsor of Kansas City Royals. This is a big deal for me to even have you guys in town. In fact, welcome to Kansas City. Yeah. Just I'm just in all due respect, like that's a little different.

01:17:34
Speaker 3: Than listen, Josh, with all due respect, we have been working on the mental side, feel the grass, feeling the space around you, trying to bring yourself back to bush.

01:17:44
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just saying my advice is scrap all the prep and take niquil. Take that's my that's my advice.

01:17:49
Speaker 3: You take it or leave it, right, Okay, that's what's your experience been with Nike will in these big moments, I.

01:17:54
Speaker 2: Can throw accurately. So I don't I don't need it.

01:17:56
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying when you use I feel to help you out in a big moment.

01:18:01
Speaker 2: No, I've not done that, but I think I just.

01:18:06
Speaker 1: He's you need give me a wild advice. Part of me feels like maybe you're trying to set me.

01:18:10
Speaker 2: Up a little bit. I don't want to set Maybe maybe taking a slump. I would say take it an hour before. If I wanted to set you up, they would wheel you out there. Then. No, I want you just to be so lost and not in the moment. He's just like muscle memory boom. I threw it. Did I throw the pitch already? Yeah? You did. Here's the replay Good to Go Fly Home.

01:18:29
Speaker 1: So you're basically telling me drug yourself. Yes, legally, this is role models. This is Shawn william Scott out camping and he takes a bunch of drugs with the girls so they can sleep. They're gonna have hallucinations.

01:18:39
Speaker 2: It is the Sean william Scott approach to first pitches. Yes, okay, I will you can get this stuff at CBS.

01:18:46
Speaker 3: We're gonna put that.

01:18:47
Speaker 1: We're in the suggestion box.

01:18:48
Speaker 2: Could could be a partner of the show.

01:18:51
Speaker 1: You're looking at a sponsor. I will overduce your ship for the big moment. Yeah, we are not brought to no free shouts to night, will no free shoutous to night. That is an interesting take. Just get drowsy enough so it doesn't mean a whole lot too, h Just whatever.

01:19:06
Speaker 2: If I make it fine, if I miss it, fine, I'll be asleep in five minutes either way. You know who's really fucked me up the most in this Jeremy Clump. Yeah.

01:19:14
Speaker 1: He has for the last two weeks every day at one point told me how nervous he is for me. And I wasn't nervous until mid last week. And then after the fiftieth time of him being like, I just hope you have a good pitch, and I'm worried about you. Hopefully it's a good pack, and I'm like, I should be a little worried about this. I should be a little worried. Here's where I sit because it's getting closer. Yeah, it's here, Yeah, it is here. Like I like, you're probably watching this episode right now, and I'm on a plane to Kansas City.

01:19:44
Speaker 3: Fandel's promoing it ten thousand dollars in bonus bets. Taylor does a pitchable or a catchable pitch.

01:19:51
Speaker 2: So where is your mind at? Where's your mind.

01:19:53
Speaker 3: At at this point?

01:19:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to take these next sixteen hours. I'm going to do the work I have to do sitting with you. We have another person coming on later. Knock out a couple of things for the show we have on Wednesday, and then I'm gonna visualize, meditate. Get five to ten throws in today, five to ten quality. I'm not looking to rip it. I just want to feel the arm action. I want to feel my shoulders coming across the body. I want to feel the release point. And then hayz in the barn. Yeah, get ready, watch a little film on the flight, look over my notes, game plan, the whole entire thing. Lean on will tomorrow. I'm gonna lean on my boy a little bit. He's the one that's gonna be catching the pitch, and when time comes, I'm gonna grip it and rip. They people would go and take the easy way out. Just floated over there.

01:20:39
Speaker 2: Hey I did it.

01:20:40
Speaker 1: No, I've got to throw it. I've got to do full wind up. I've got to do exactly what I did in Saint Louis. But the ball's got to go down the middle.

01:20:46
Speaker 2: I respect it. I pull it for me and if I fail, Yeah, it's a win for me either way.

01:20:51
Speaker 3: I think it's a win. I don't think it's still your hands if if I fail.

01:20:54
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, Well he kind of cut me off if I fail. Hey, if I fail, back to the drawing board, we go back again.

01:21:02
Speaker 2: Do you just keep hitting up big league parks until you throw a striking?

01:21:05
Speaker 1: Listen, yes, big league parks hit us up. They were like, hey, we want we want this here multiple teams. If I fail here, you bet your ass I'll be back again.

01:21:14
Speaker 2: Do you do a tour through the miners before you hit the big leagues again?

01:21:17
Speaker 1: That's been talked about. Yeah, it's been talked about. If I if I miss this pitch, Savannah BANANAZ will be my first call. Okay, sounds might be my second call. Sounds m sounds like we're ready, we're ready for your redemption in Nashville. To be honest, I wanted. I wanted a major league ballpark before I you know, i'd probably.

01:21:37
Speaker 3: Have to bend the needs.

01:21:38
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to go down to the miners. So if I fail this, I'll probably hell, I'll probably go to a little league for a little bit, start doing some coaches pitch for some kids for a little bit. Let them do their thing.

01:21:47
Speaker 2: Just step towards your target. Yeah, Just don't grip the ball too hard. Grip it and rip it, but don't grip it hard. Yeah, and just step towards your target. Right, you'll be fine.

01:21:55
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm with you.

01:21:56
Speaker 2: As we're talking about I'm getting more now, I might need the night quill.

01:22:02
Speaker 3: When we're on that plane and we land, we get to the stadium, it's going, uh yeah, it's gonna be a different feeling.

01:22:07
Speaker 1: And the thing too, is like we're doing a whole bunch.

01:22:08
Speaker 3: We're doing some fun things. We're doing VP.

01:22:10
Speaker 1: We're doing it like we're gonna have a bunch of content to do and it's like great fun. Yeah, I'm gonna try to be present for that. However, you know, in the back of your head, like when I was when I was playing football, it's like people would come in, they'd fly in. It's Nashville. Everybody wants to come and watch a game, so they come in. So every other weekend I have friends and family in town and they're wanting to hang out. But you get to Thursday. It's like I'm not here with you. I might physically be here, but mentally I'm thinking about this guy, his rush, what the defense does so the blitz come, so I can be more prepared for this guy studying inside instead of just talking to you about your work, because to be honest, I don't care right now, you know, no disrespect. I don't give a shit how work's going.

01:22:50
Speaker 2: You know, do you think that? So of course the normal person doesn't understand that. But just the concept of game day you talked about Thursday, Just take game day. I've alway thought if you could take a normal person, don't even have them go through reps during the week, don't have them go through film, don't have them do anything, but just walk them into the environment on Saturday, wake up at the hotel or Sunday, get on the bus, police escort into stadium and then just be on the field during warm ups. The sensory overload that is a big time college or pro environment. Just the hour pregame leading up and try and explain to that person, hey, you've got to go execute against professional football players after all. This to me, even just work in media, it takes a little while to get adjusted to how big the sensory overload is. As you can sit in a studio and do it. You can be on a practice field and doing it, but like executing in an arena on Saturday, on Sunday, coaching or playing just to be focused the level of focus you got to get to. And with a coach, they're not doing physical, physical, physical, physical, there's just mental mental, mental, mental to stay locked in. I've always appreciated folks who can do that.

01:24:00
Speaker 1: It's taking a regular person to do that. If you take a step further and give them the entire week of preparation, or like here's your playbook, here's your tendencies, here's your keys to victory. And you're basically studying for a test all week long, and then you add the police escort. Waking up in the morning, it's quiet in the chow hall. Everyone's sitting there having their omelets. Some guys can't eat, some guys can't. You get on the bus, music's just playing. You hear different genres of music going on. Some guys like to sit quietly, other guys are a little more loud. It's that nervous anxiousness. Then you get in the if you're on the first bus or there are two hours before the game starts, you're rolling out, you're stretching, everything's quiet, so and then you go out fans if it's an away game, they're yelling at you, screaming at you.

01:24:41
Speaker 3: Then you go to the pregame.

01:24:43
Speaker 1: Now the juices are really flowing because you have the full uniform on and you're going through and you don't want to over exert yourself, but you want to put enough effort into where you're loved up a little bit before you go in the locker room. The hardest part of every game is after warm ups, going into the locker room before the national anthem. That's the hardest part of every single football game because then you got guys that're with their notes. I'm sure Will was like this where he had his notes, his defensive calls, tendencies, these types of things. Some guys want to, you know, put the trap music on and then go to the prayer in the shower right after that and they're yelling at hoot and hollering. You got a guy in the corner that's throwing up like there's so many different things. And then you walk back out after being a part of warm ups with the stadium's twenty five percent full, so now it's one hundred percent full, and it's like you're walking to a fucking gauntlet. And then the national anthem hits your heart rates at one eight. He haven't even taken a snap yet, and you're just thinking to yourself, let me get this first shot out of the way. And once you get that, it's like, all right, we can get going the hardest part of the game. We're here, Yeah, we're here, right here, and we get to being able to sit and watch so much more fun.

01:25:46
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, yeah, so much more enjoyable to observe.

01:25:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, boys really get his ass beat today. Being the guy that's getting his ass beat that day not fun.

01:25:54
Speaker 2: Winning like playing the game.

01:25:56
Speaker 1: You cannot be playing a football game and having that many people watch what you feel like you're the main attraction. Nobody else in the world cares about whatever's going on except for right here. But the pressure that comes with it can be overbearing, overbearing. So no, I don't think they're a regular person could handle that pressure a week in and week out, because then you go games over.

01:26:17
Speaker 3: Well, hey, if they were prepared for it, like when you say regular person, like if they had it's like he was given the analogy, like putting people in that environment with zero.

01:26:26
Speaker 1: Preparation and then they got to go do it. I feel like you have the you kind of have a fallback in your mind if you're not prepared or underprepared.

01:26:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you're fully prepared for an entire week and the expectation is there and you're going over are they gonna get me here? Are they gonna motion empty? Are they gonna isolate me on third down? And trips far gun? Are they gonna do all these things that you are prepared for, but you're trying to figure out schematically what are they going to do to you? I feel like understanding that expatient expectation walking on the field as the national anthem's going on, and that fear that fight or flight is in your mind on just executing. I think having an entire week of being fully prepared and walking out there would be a different feeling than having zero preparation at all and then going out there you'd be scared, but you'd be able to fall back on you know, I didn't do anything to get to this more.

01:27:15
Speaker 1: I get to feel all this moment.

01:27:17
Speaker 3: But I feel like that anxiety and that fear that kicks in being fully prepared is the difference of with your analogy on putting somebody in that environment.

01:27:25
Speaker 2: I think the getting to the clearing of the mechanism headspace that you got to be in and you again, you could just as easily be talking about a quarterback as a play caller. The level of, like if there's a scale of one to ten maximum focus a human can have on a task at hand, getting to ten, getting there and on kickoff, being there, but then being there three and a half hours later, You've just been there. If you're good, if you're good at what your craft, at what you do, you're still there three and a half hours later, especially like if I'm watching Quarterback on Netflix. One of the things I appreciate the most is the prep is beyond insane. People would never understand it. You're going through, living the life, you're going through, being the face of a franchise, all that all right, So then you get to game day. You go through what you just talked about. First quarters over second quarters, over halftimes, over third quarter, fourth quarter. Most NFL games are decided maybe in the last ten minutes, last eight minutes, and to be that sharp and to be that zoned in at level ten, at level eleven with two minutes twelve seconds to go and it's third and eight, and you know these next two downs are going to determine the quality of life for the entire next week, for your entire locker room, not just you. And to still be that dialed in. I'm talking about maintaining that level of focus for three and a half or four hours at a time in that environment. That is what blows my mind that people can do it, But that's why most people can't do it.

01:28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're also the preparation point. In twenty twenty, there was all the COVID stuff going on. We had a game we'rest supposed to play the Steelers, and then there's this big COVID outbreak at the Titans. So we do zo Zom calls all week long and like, hey, we're playing the Steels. We're gonna start preparing for these guys. This is the game plan is what's going on. That game gets canceled and they're like, hey, you're no longer playing the Steelers. Discounts as your bye week. Now you're playing the Bills.

01:29:11
Speaker 2: Yeah bye week.

01:29:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you guys are having a bye week.

01:29:14
Speaker 1: They put us in uh, like the Zoom calls. We go in one day for a walkthrough, and everyone is walking to that walk through with two thought processes. We're gonna get our ass beat or we're gonna beat ass. There's really no middle ground of what's going to happen because there's been so little preparation. The Bills just there was a release. Yeah, and we end up beating the ship out of the Bills like Zoom brought to you by Zoom. So that's where when you brought up the bring them in cold and just let them enjoy, like let them go through a game day. That's not the pressure that the pressure is you. You're given these coaches, if they're good coaches, are giving you the answers to the test all week long. You've studied it, you've repped it countless times.

01:29:57
Speaker 2: Now you have to go and do it.

01:29:58
Speaker 1: And because they told you this this and you have to succeed. You have to do these three things off its defense special teams, so nine total key points. You do those things, you're going to succeed. Then you have the results of the game. If you succeeded, it's great with these are what we checked off.

01:30:13
Speaker 3: This is what we can do better.

01:30:14
Speaker 1: If you lose, it's like we gave you the answer to the test. You guys failed to test.

01:30:19
Speaker 2: Then now people are gonna rip us all week because yes, when you go into that game where we.

01:30:23
Speaker 1: Play the Bills, it's like, truly that's what you walk into that game and you're like, yeah, we're probably gonna get murdered today because no one's done a whole lot. We got fifteen guys on COVID, we've been on zoom the whole time. We did a jog through and that was the.

01:30:36
Speaker 2: One thing we did in a ten day span, and.

01:30:38
Speaker 1: All the players, we're in our position groups just going to like a local park separately and the player it's just all player led, like, hey, let's go. Coach wanted us to go over this stuff.

01:30:46
Speaker 2: Yes, has any good documentary been done yet on the COVID year needs to.

01:30:50
Speaker 1: I have not seen one.

01:30:52
Speaker 2: Look at the score at this game forty two to sixteen.

01:30:55
Speaker 1: After that, we're basically we're in the locker room.

01:30:58
Speaker 2: To intense the boys more practice.

01:31:04
Speaker 1: We don't, Hey, we don't, we don't got to do this anywhere, any place, anytime. Yeah, and we did it, like with the proof is right there against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. The hardest thing, The hardest thing is not like that week is really hard. The preparation is really hard. It's having a result, good, bad, or indifferent.

01:31:23
Speaker 2: How you played? How do you do next week?

01:31:26
Speaker 1: That is That's That's the true scale of a of a great football player. It's like, can you do it consistently seventeen times and then having a bye week and then you're gonna have an injury, You're gonna be sore. How do you replicate a good game? How do you get rid of the bad games? How do you take the coaching? How do you get ego out of the way. It's a it's so much more in depth than people think that it really is. Even that quarterback shows, because quarterback shows like they're doing practice and then it's like a blip, It's a five minute blip, and then they're out with their their wives and they're going over the plays. Like Jared Goff, his wife's reading in the place. It's like, yeah, he does that. Probably when those cameras turned off, he's like came out of here, right, he's upstairs go to work now, Yeah, yeah, and.

01:32:04
Speaker 2: I'm gone all day long.

01:32:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy enough about us though. Yeah, let's get into Josh Paate didn't play. How are you growing your brand your style on camera when you're also factoring in the play factor Because a lot of people, a lot of haters, that'll be one of the first things they come at if you miss anywhere or get something wrong, as they'll talk about you know, they can talk about your reputation of being able to play.

01:32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I would say former players miss all the time too, Like who in the world I would I would take former coaches. I mean, no one knows the game better than a guy who played and then coached. You've seen the game from every angle, You've experienced it from every angle. Right, find me that guy who is now making a living betting football, because if it's really if that's the shortcut, that find me anyone who's sitting behind a desk. There are a million former players and former coaches who are in studios on Sunday and Saturday. They pick games, don't they. I Mean it's all public, Like which one of them's knocking it out of the park seventy plus percent against the spread. So clearly there's more to understanding or digesting the game than just having played it. But make no mistake, I'd love to have had a fifteen year career playing for the Atlanta Falcons. I mean that definitely gives you name and brand recognition. You have a deeper and more nuanced understanding of the game. There's no substitute for that. But when you walk in a stadium on Saturday, or when you fire this video up and you look at the viewership of it, ninety nine percent of the people in the audience never played. So who are you stacking your show for? Are you stacking your show for former players or are you stacking your show for the millions upon millions of people who are going to watch or listen. The answer to me, at least, is I want to build the show for the audience that I want consuming the show, which means we're going to talk about the game. But the key is not, hey, did you play the game? The key is do people care what you have to say? So, like when I'll go and speak at colleges, they'll ask for advice. There was that symposium in Nashville last week. There were a lot of people here from college football, and some of them wanted to get into media, and they were saying, what's your biggest piece of advice? And I always ask the same question, cause someone asked this question to me. They said, why would anyone care what you have to say? And it was just like awkward silence when I got asked that question, because it sounded like a trick question. It sounded like they were trying to dunk on me or something like that. They were They were given the most honest, brutal piece of feedback ever, and that is, if no one cares what you have to say, it doesn't matter what you know. It doesn't matter where you played, it doesn't matter where you coach, it doesn't matter what your IQ is. Nothing doesn't matter how great your THUMBNAILS and SEO is. If no one cares what you have to say, no one's gonna watch you or listen to you. So how do you make people care what you have to say? That's the most inexact science in our business. But I think the best cheap code is be your audience. Like I grew up with my audience, I am of my audience. I go eat barbecue on Tuesday afternoon with my audience. I always have because like my social circle growing up, that's exactly who I tailored my show towards because that is the mass college football public. I mean, that's a guy that's roofing down in Lagrange, Georgia from nine to five every day. That's a guy driving a cement truck in Topeka, Kansas. That's your audience. Your audiences in former players. So when people do that a lot of times it's more born out of insecurity, because like, no dude with a huge following who's a former player ever dunks on me for not being a former player. It's people I've never heard of before who were in defense mechanism mode. They're like in wounded animal mode because they haven't really found a path for themselves. And so it's like, what can I say about this dude? Let me think, let me think he didn't play like cool? How'd you find outut about me? Other than I say it every week? How'd you find that out? So it doesn't it doesn't really am stringy all that much.

01:35:48
Speaker 3: I mean, you bring up a good point, because again, the people who would do it would be would be like players, the people who played the game.

01:35:55
Speaker 2: Like Greg Olsen's not dunking on me because I didn't play, yea, like the guys who have made it as former players, they're not the ones throwing that at you. The ones throwing that at you are like Tiger Boy three six at two thirty in the morning with thirty six followers you didn't play. Why would I listen to you?

01:36:09
Speaker 1: I think that's one of Sherman's burners.

01:36:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't ask you to listen to me.

01:36:12
Speaker 3: Actually, going off of that though, I think you said something really good there to where you're curating your content and your stuff, your own unique self to a former self of yours that was in the social circles. How have you curated your content and built out your content knowing what your strengths are and trying to stay away from what your your weaknesses might be.

01:36:33
Speaker 2: Well, listen first off, so listen to people like, listen to what they want to talk about. Don't be stupid enough to ever get on a grease board and start talking x's and TH's because I've got no business doing that. And if we if we really find that the audience wants that, I'll go find someone to do it on our platform, and then stay true to what it is you promise people, Like, if you promise to be college football all year, present college football all year, don't do it through January or February, and then all of a sudden go twenty percent into politics or go thirty percent over towards some secret passion you have that your audience didn't sign up to listen to you talk about. The only difference with that is, like I go stormchasing a lot in the spring, and we found that there is broad fascination with stormchasing because I would drop nuggets about it on our show and we would get thousands and thousands of requests. Hey, talk about that more in the spring. I'd rather listen to that than updates on Northwestern's offensive line. So that's the one exception where I've maybe deviated twenty percent off college football, and it's in the middle of the spring when there's no games going on anyway. But otherwise, just stay true to what you promise. It's like really simple. People screw it up all the time, and it's so simple to just define, like what's the overlap of your passion and your talent? For me, thankfully, it was talking about college football, and then just stay there. That's where your career is. That's how it never becomes a job. It's just a career because you're doing what you would do for free. You happen to be doing it for a living, and fingers cross. People like it. Okay, check they do. Don't be stupid, don't screw it up. Just keep delivering what it is they're telling you through their engagement and viewership and listenership that they want.

01:38:06
Speaker 3: You talked about staying in your lane.

01:38:08
Speaker 1: It has obviously, like we all have so much bandwidth per week, per day to be able to accomplish certain things with our shows, our ambitions, what we want to do. Have you ever been approached to it in a sense that people want you to keep doing what you're doing, but at a higher scale, maybe going on some major networks or something like that, where you had to evaluate and be like, Okay, would this take away from my enjoyment from what I truly.

01:38:29
Speaker 2: Enjoy every year for the past three years, that's happened a lot.

01:38:33
Speaker 1: Nice this past example, well, this past I mean.

01:38:36
Speaker 2: This past spring, it happened a lot. I mean, you know, in our world, you don't work in terms of calendar years. You work in terms of football seasons, so it's kind of like a fiscal year, which I never understood what that was because I was broke, So I do understand it now a little bit more. And my world, the calendar is August through February, and then you negotiate all your stuff in spring. So like this past spring, I mean, there were several networks, Hey, would you be willing to do your show five days a week and take stupid money for us to put it on our platforms or behind a paywall, and so, hey, man, money's great, but we already make enough of it, and I'm doing my show three days a week. And the trade off there is, like we went ninety minutes last night hardcore in depth, like a impact ton of information in that, Like I think that I could have gone four hours if I wanted to spread that out. Well, the only way we can do that is to do it every other day instead of every day. And the audience consumption rate says that's good because we get bulk majority of our engagement on replay traffic the next day anyway, So if we were trying to deliver that every night, we'd be delivering a watered down version of that. We wouldn't really be ever giving one hundred percent what were capable. It would just be like seventy five percent, but a lot more of it. And really you would have just sold out for a paycheck anyway. And if I was in dire straits, like maybe a network comes along, I've got to think about doing that for two or three years to set myself up financially. But if you're doing okay or better for yourself, I've said no every year to that stuff.

01:40:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are your personal non negotiables like when you're thinking of I'm doing just fine, doing what I'm doing well to where you don't get that that dangling carrot.

01:40:18
Speaker 2: I don't want to wear suits on air fair.

01:40:21
Speaker 1: I don't most about locker room. This year, we're changing the wardrobe really yeah, full he said, a tear off at least every other week. It's actually T shirts, T shirt suits.

01:40:32
Speaker 2: I got in a big fight about this with a local TV general manager one time because the way I the way I started was like he called me cold. Never met him. He said, Hey, I run a local news affiliate, like an NBC affiliate. Do you want to do a late night college football show, like no one's gonna watch it, but you'll be on TV, you'll get reps, hopefully you'll build something. But the non negotiable was, hey, man, if you're on my if you're on my desk, you got to wear a suit, which was fair, like it's his platform. But I love the dude like I love him today. But we would argue back and forth because he was old school, he was from traditional news, and he's like, you cannot wear T shirts on TV and be taken seriously. And I said, I can't report on a triple homicide we're in a T shirt and be taken seriously. I can talk about Alabama versus Georgia Saturday in a T shirt, and I promise you the audience we're trying to reach will consume it. Just fine. So hey, I'm on his dimes, so I'm going to do it his way. But as soon as we got to wear we owned it and we controlled it. I said, I'm not putting a suit on again, not doing it unless I am working national championship coverage or something like that. Like when I was with CBS, I'd go up to New York and do their inside college football show. I respect them, that's their show. I'll wear a suit, but on my stuff, I'm not wearing a suit. I don't want to have anybody touch creative control of the show, so I want to be executive producer of it and have full final say. I want to have personal relationships with the advertising partners instead of being told, hey, you're partnering with this brand, because I want to present stuff that is authentic to the brand. So those are a few of the non negotiables I guess, and to not have to touch anything other than college football.

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01:42:48
Speaker 1: Sorry, I just because I know we're going to get to ball in a second. But I did hear a juicy story in our pre production meeting about you getting into the space of sports media where you went and you DMed company.

01:43:01
Speaker 3: It was a radio station.

01:43:02
Speaker 1: Yep, you went and got a job. You're kind of doing You're you're doing a little bit of bitch work. You're kind of rolling stuff. Somebody gets hurt car accident or something like that, and they're like, we gotta we gotta thrust somebody into this and ends up being you that goes on the station and they're like, you were so great that they made you a mainstay on the show. Is their truth and validity to that?

01:43:20
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of truth. So it was just the guy had a cold. Car wreck sounds better though. Yeah, So guy got a call. I was told car wreck.

01:43:25
Speaker 3: I was actually told broken lagas.

01:43:26
Speaker 2: I don't know if he made it.

01:43:29
Speaker 1: He didn't have night quill.

01:43:30
Speaker 2: It was a bad deal.

01:43:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

01:43:32
Speaker 2: It was a bad deal. I understand. So I'm working. I had worked construction down at Columbus, Georgia. I was in a fabric warehouse at this time, and I was listening to talk radio. Like I would listen to Colin Cowherd' show every day. He was an ESPN radio. It's fantastic. Oh here, we get me to lunch every day, Like that's how I got myself to lunch. And then the afternoon that was when like Risillo and Scott man Pelt had a show. It was a really good stretch of radio. So I just listened to it all day every day, and I'm telling myself, that's what i want to do. That's what I want to do. That's what i want to do. I'm also telling myself, I've got no way in. I've got no way in. I've got no way in. But I remember Saban had just gotten Alabama. It was like the second years at Obama. He comes to Columbus. He does like a public speaking tour, forty five dollars entry fee. I can't afford it. I borrow money to get a ticket to go see Saban speak and He talked about process oriented thinking. He talked a lot about how defining your goals but then totally setting them aside and just focusing on the process. That's the key to success. And it's not like he was the first person I'd ever heard say that. He's the one who made it clip for me. So I'm sitting there in that warehouse and I'm thinking, you know, he had also talked about doing an inventory of your time. Are you investing time or are you just spending time? Look at your typical day, what period of the day is being spent. You're not getting anything back from that that you could repurpose. So I figured out I was driving in my truck like an hour and a half every day to and from work, to and from class. So I decided the way, I'm gonna take back some of my time and I'm gonna mute the radio. I'm not going to listen to anything in the car, and I'm just going to simulate sports talk radio. So I just talked to my stick and will hours and hours and hours and hours. I would just simulate like I would turn on the radio. Cowherd brings a segment in from break mute it I take over for him, and I had thousands upon thousands of hours over two or three years of doing that to where I begged that radio producer could you let me come in and observe. Finally he lets me come in because I'd never seen live production happen before. So I sat in that studio like two months and one day car crash aka dude get sick five minutes before airtime. He has no advance warning. He says, do you just want to hop on air today? It was the middle of college football season in the South. It was an afternoon drive caller based talk show. So I hopped on just killed it. Great synergy, great chemistry, and the dude thought I had been doing it for a long time. After the show, he was like, where did you say you've worked before? I said, well, I've actually never been on air before. However, I kind of do a version of this every day in my truck like a psychopath. So he never took me off air. And then you fast forward two years and that's when that news station GM hit me up. So then I go work local TV and then I start getting towards the end of a contract and like I'm seeing YouTube come of age. I'm seeing Facebook live as a thing. I know where the industry's going. I see those Berlin walls coming down. I know that if you got internet, unlike maybe five years prior, you could make it like you can make a career for yourself. They wouldn't let me do it because I was on an employment deal at the news station, and you can't be creating your own content. It's a breach of contract. So I let my contract run to the last day and they sit me down general manager right there, news director right there, and they said, we've been calling your bluff, like you've been saying you're going to let your contract run out. We just thought you were bsing us for more money, which we don't have. So I was at I was at twenty seven five per year and I was at thirty per year, and they said, what are you going to do? You were really gonna leave? I said, yeah, I'm gonna leave. They said, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna start a YouTube channel. And they just laughed, not even like a disrespectful laugh, just like, oh, you poor thing, like you don't know what you're doing. Don't don't screw your life up, said you can't monetize that. How are you gonna make money? Because no one was monetizing YouTube at the time. And I said, well, I think the industry is about to change pretty quickly, Like it's very obvious where viewership trends are going, AD dollars will follow that. They didn't buy it, so I negotiated to stay with them as a ten ninety nine independent contractor, making like fractions of what I was making, and I was already making nothing. But the trade off I negotiated was give me the studio three nights a week to do my own show out of and we agreed on that. So we launched the YouTube channel and we were doing a college football show. That's it right there. That's like a first version of it, three nights a week out of the news station, and it blew up an in two years, CBS called, So we've been here ever since.

01:47:41
Speaker 1: No shit, Oh that is amazing. That's an incredible story.

01:47:44
Speaker 2: It was a unique way to start doing it. Like that microphone's clearly not plugged in. I'm clearly wearing a lot of myc that's clearly just an aesthetic I bought off Amazon. Yeah, but yeah, that was a that was a weird, weird way to do it, but it was the only way I could do it. That's the only way I saw end.

01:48:00
Speaker 1: It's so interesting the way you bring up Nick Saban's conversation about the process. Yep, and a lot of people hear those conversations all the time about how you should handle your time, put your goals to a side. Like that conversation takes place a lot in a kid's childhood and as a young adult, I feel like something has to happen to you, whether it's borrowing forty five dollars and realizing I have to borrow forty five dollars to go hear this person talk for it to finally like resonate with somebody.

01:48:25
Speaker 2: And I think.

01:48:25
Speaker 1: That's just awesome that people who listen to this show listen to other shows. They'll hear a bunch of nuggets all the time. But it takes a certain perception and you have to be going through something for it to really like set inside your body.

01:48:37
Speaker 2: Do something else happened to me, So when I was working in that fabric warehouse, this was all within a three month period. The whole Saban comes to Town thing like the same two or three month period. The guy who owned the fabric warehouse name was David Rothchild, ultra wealthy family had made a fortunate textiles. Columbus is a textile like an old milltown. So he was dying of cancer, and he had always taken a liking to me. I'm working back in his warehouse. I don't see him that much except when he comes through there, like once a day, but he'd always taken a liking to me. He would always catch up with me. I had not finished college at that point, and he would like, nicely but very forcefully, tell me you're screwing your life up, like you've got ability. He saw way more in me than I saw in myself, and so he promised me, like, if you'll I'm going to die, like I am not going to see this through, but I will pay for your school if you will get back in school. And like, simultaneous to that, the director of the communication department at Columbus State University's just hammering me via email. She doesn't know, she's not related to me, she doesn't owe me that, but she's hitting me up saying get back in school, Like I'll get you back in school. We're gonna have a radio and TV program over here. You could do all the reps that you need over here. And so all that stuff happens over a three month period and you realize, like you've got to be a total and complete idiot not to see that there is something slash, someone trying to kick you in the right direction. And so that all, like that's what it's overteen years ago. But that's all a confluence of events. And like I always heard people say right place, right time, I always question that, Like I changed my thinking because of all this. I changed my thinking too, where being in the right place is where you want to be so that eventually the right time finds you. I changed my thinking because of like that. It's just like I changed my thinking on here and save and say stuff like that. I used to hear it, and I thought those statements where a diamond does. And that's like fortune cookie logic looks good on a bumper sticker, but it's coach speak. It's cliches. It's just people go into motivational speaking seminars near the airport and someone fooled them into buying a ticket. No, man, that stuff works, It's just hardly anyone applies it. Yeah, if you apply it, it works for everybody. That's the beauty of it. It doesn't matter if you want to get in this or you want to go like start a new insurance company and make a fortune over there. Like, if that's what you're called to do, you can do it. It's just not going to happen overnight, and it's a good thing. It doesn't happen overnight, or everyone would do it.

01:50:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, when all this is happening around you, what do you feel like when you look back on it? What do you feel like you weren't saying?

01:51:04
Speaker 2: I feel like the thing I appreciate the most looking back on it because I journaled a lot through this period. I'd never done that before, but I knew what I'm going through now, Like I got a victim from my apartment. It was not it was not a great time. It's it turns out good, but it's not a good time. And I realized, one way or the other, I'm gonna want a record of this. So like, I journaled a lot of it, and I look back on it now, and the one thing I kept saying is I got no clue how this is going to turn out. I got no clue how I'm going to make this bill the next month. I got no clue here and no clue there. But like, I know what I'm doing is worthwhile, and so I know, if I'm right about this, what I'm experiencing is going to be so valuable for so many people. That's why I don't hesitate and telling the story a whole lot. It's certainly not bragging. You don't brag about getting evicted or anything, or being broke, but you bragged that you know, there are there are kids who grow up dirt poor and they got like that caged animal syndrome their whole life. There are kids who grew up rich and it doesn't matter how many mistakes they make, cause the law always be set for life. There is like an ocean of tweeners out there. I was one of them. I was lower middle class, but like I was not worrying about where my next meal was going to come from as a kid. But I also wasn't set for life as a kid. And so you get out of high school and you don't know what you want to do, and then you're twenty, then you're twenty two, then you're twenty four. You still really haven't made anything of yourself. You know you've got potential, you know you got talent, we all do, but you're just like floating. You're pissing away time, You're pissing away years of your life. And so like, I didn't really even start having that click till I'm like thirty years old, and I realized, if I make something of myself, imagine how this. Imagine how this plays to an audience of twenty two year olds, Because I know forever there will be tweeners in life who were sitting out there and they just want something to light a fire under them. Well, what better than someone who can say, yeah, I was right there where you were. Like, if you're broke, you got no other option than to work or you're going to die, Like you're not going anywhere. If you're rich, eh, whatever. But if you're a twin and that's like a huge population of the United States of America's youth at any given point, no one's really feeling sorry for you. But no one's handing you a whole lot either. That I told myself even at the time, that's who I want to speak to one day, if I ever make it. That's who I want to speak to I love that.

01:53:17
Speaker 3: What was going through your mind when CBS was starting to get on your tail for you know, launching. You had done your show on YouTube for two years, then you get picked up by CBS. What was the feeling like in your body, in your mind when those phone calls are starting to happen.

01:53:31
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of So it's validation. I mean, it's validation number one, that someone noticed. It's validation that they were going to pay me seventy thousand dollars a year, because that's triple maybe even quadruple when I was making at that point. I was making nothing at that point. Actually YouTube is started to do okay, but still, like there's a thing like when you play your first down in the NFL, you made it as a pro football player. They'll never be able to take it away from you. It doesn't matter if you get cut the next day you played in the NFL. The first day someone pays you a company pays you to talk about sports on air is a very surreal moment. Even if there's paying you five bucks, it's a surreal moment because everybody in your life wants to do it, like everyone dreams of holding one of those like big network microphones and like you're actually getting paid, you're on national TV. So there was that piece, But then also there's all right, now it's time to go to work and it's time to shake the tree, like we're gonna find out really how how well the root system is taken because you can't screw up. You're gonna screw up. But you're thinking this is a tightrope wall. You've been walking a tight rope five feet off the ground. You're gonna be five hundred feet off the ground now and a lot more people are gonna see you, and you're gonna be exposed in every way imaginable. There's gonna be a lot of unfamiliar technical jargon. There's gonna be you know, a lot thinner air. You're gonna rub elbows with a lot of people you grew up watching as a kid, and you better not have stars in your eyes, like you better work with them and talk to them on their level, or if you're really what you think you are, you better be able to walk in that setting and own the room, Like how do you walk in there? I grew up watching these guys and listening to these guys, But do you have the presence of mind to set that aside at the door and walk in there and own your craft so thoroughly that when you look at them like you're getting respect back from them, because like as a man, you know when you do and don't have someone's respect. And so that's kind of some of the stuff I was thinking about, and then also thinking, I think I'm prepared for this, but I know there's so much I'm unprepared for. Let's go do it anyway. Then you start doing it. Then COVID happens two months later. Yeah, that whole year, that whole year you're talking about it on your side, Imagine on my side. I moved to Nashville. You remember the tornado came through. Oh yeah, Hitar building. That's the first two months I'm here. COVID happens shortly thereafter, like later that month is really when you start shutting down. And I always say this, and it sounds so bad, so I have to like really carefully preface it. COVID was terrible for a lot of people, and a lot of people lost family members, Like it was a real serious deal. Professionally speaking, it was the biggest blessing I could ever have that it happened when it happened because I came here and then things shut down. And Shannon Terry, who was running twenty four to seven Sports, but that had been acquired by CBS, so like, I'm working for him, I'm working out of his building. He said, I'm going to get you emergency access to this building. No one's going to be here for I don't know how long. No one's going to bother you. Just do what you think you need to do. And so we got like six months of doing the show our way on CBS's platforms with no corporate interference, and by the time people slowly started to come back, and by the time like the executive types started seeing it, it was already making money. It had already scaled, so they never even had time to I'm not saying they would have, but they never had time or a reason to step in and try to change this or turn that knob or you know, course correct. At twenty degrees, it was already proven. By the time COVID had ended, it was already proven. So we were good to go at that point.

01:56:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's got to be a good feeling to be like, all right, I get to kind of just run with this thing. No one's expecting anything to work out anyway, because we're in the middle of like COVID, and then by the time it gets there, it's like, yeah, there's nothing to critique because if you're in there with everybody else, there's a chance that executives are going to bring you into a room but hey, maybe change this, maybe do that. Now you're second guessing yourself, but it's your creative process, so you don't want that the whole get messed up. So there's all these things that could different variables to mess you up in that process. Yeah, that's a massive win.

01:57:26
Speaker 2: We'll think about this. So you're in the exact same seat that I'm about to talk about what you're doing right now. You're creating jobs for untold hundreds to thousands of people down the road because companies watch what you're doing and you've massively scaled a product. You're doing it totally your way, like it's authentically yours. Everything's yours. So you've got pop, you got proof of performance. There's no questioning whether this works. There will be companies, there will be private equity firms, there'll be huge money that gets redirected towards trying to duplicate what you're doing and giving people jobs and putting them behind microphones. Otherwise wouldn't have been behind. Now at that point, they either sink or swim on their own, but you created an opportunity for someone. I was thinking that, Like I still think that today, but I was thinking that, Okay, CBS has kind of made me the test pilot program. Like Big Networks five years ago. They're not really in the business of going and finding some guy on YouTube and putting him in their chair. They're in the business of we're going to find someone who's already proven, or we're gonna take former players coaches, Like it's a really tried and true formula. We've done this for one hundred years, so I get my shot. I'm thinking, yeah, this is big for me, but they're like one hundred, two hundred, five hundred other guys out there who may or may not ever get a life changing opportunity based on whether I make this work or not. And that was a really huge deal. Like that's part of legacy, that's part of something that extends well beyond yourself, and like I think about that stuff every day. COVID.

01:58:49
Speaker 1: There's an interesting time because they feel like the media changed in so many ways. You're bringing up the suits earlier. And like I was with CAA as my agents for football, and I went to LA I saw like their death starts what they call it. And in the music department, nobody wears suits because at one point in like the sixties, seventies or eighties, whenever it was, a band came in that everyone wanted to rep. They came into CIA and they and they were like, you guys are all suits. We can't trust you guys, but ball you guys don't know the brand, you don't know the influence. You're gonna try to change us. The next day they had a meeting, a company wide meeting, saying, no one wears suits in the music department anymore, because we need these people to know that we're here for them. And then you go fast forward to twenty twenty. You see Pat McAfee start taking off. You see these other podcasts start taking off. You're taking off. It feels to me like the suits of the mainstreams of mainstream sports media is slowly going away, and the Pat McAfee tank top kind of process is now taking over a little bit. So do you see that happening with ESPN, CBS and all these other major corporations in the future.

01:59:53
Speaker 2: McAfee's like Roger Banister. Basically Roger Banister, up until the point he ran the sub four minute mile lived in a wor world where people thought, oh, it's humanly impossible. So up until McAfee gets put on ESPN, even when he was independent, people would have told you, oh, you can't do that stuff on ESPN, though well you always could. It's just someone had to do it. Because once Roger bandaged to ran a sub four minute mile, then a bunch of other people ran u up for them. It was like fifty's like seventy. The next year broke four minutes. The question becomes did they all just become capable of doing it cause Roger did it, or were a bunch of people capable of it and just had to see it happen. So similarly, like, you've got to be an idiot to not have known that. All the while sports fans who are consuming content are sitting at home looking a whole lot more like that than they are wearing a suit.

02:00:40
Speaker 1: They probably don't look that Good's age Nick Simon.

02:00:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like the point is, again, who are you stacking your show for for a long time? Suits, if you want to call him that, just people at the executive level, people with seven figure earnings and golden parachutes. If they fail, they have formatted their content for themselves in the lieu of knowing it doesn't matter what we present, they'll consume it because there are no other options. Well, bad news for them when digital media came of age is well, now there are options fully on demand world. That's the beauty of what you do. It's the beauty of what I do. The audience is in full control. Like you have never accidentally gotten a viewer. Every viewer has intentionally sought out your video, sought out your social feeds, sought out your podcast. Same with me. If you're on network TV, you may see me because you're in an airport. You may just see me because you're in a barbershop. I happened to be on and so for a long time they didn't really have true feedback. What they were doing was working because there was no competition in the marketplace. Now there's competition in the marketplace, and magically you're willing to bend on things like on air wardrobe and you know, people who don't watch sports may say, do you really think that's why Pat mcafew works because of what he wears. No, what he wears is authentic to himself, and that's why it works, the same as you, the same as me. It's just that fifteen years ago you weren't allowed to present that way because someone who really didn't know the audience but owned the keys to the audience controlled that. And now they don't, and you find out it really never mattered what you were on air to begin with.

02:02:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, great reminder for everybody tuning in right now to subscribe to Bust with the Boys as you are watching and four minute mile, just take your thumb, hit that subscribe, but just hit the button. I love that you brought up the Roger Bannister analogy. I feel like I heard that from Tony Robbins like back in college.

02:02:28
Speaker 1: Take a bis. I enjoying it so much.

02:02:30
Speaker 3: I will say, Uh, he had to be last night on his show and he had about an hour left, but he was gonna fight through.

02:02:35
Speaker 1: For the betterment of the audience.

02:02:37
Speaker 2: I pushed and well, I was just gonna let you know I consumed your yeah you're down? That was before or after the Nebraska prediction. I feel that was after h.

02:02:48
Speaker 3: No, that was before before I was, you know, not the flex, but I was in my weight room.

02:02:52
Speaker 1: Is now the time to get into football? Or should we kind of save that for the locker room? Because pi's gonna be on every week during football, so there'll be.

02:03:00
Speaker 3: Things that we can some headlines we can talk about. But for everybody watching our new show, The Locker Room with College Football with this trio right here, this three headed monster will kick off Wednesday evening where we'll be going over all of our futures for the college.

02:03:16
Speaker 1: Just got here. Hey, people didn't see this coming. Haters are swinging at the air right now.

02:03:22
Speaker 2: They did it again. Yeah, they're scrambling, scrambling right now?

02:03:26
Speaker 1: Is there?

02:03:27
Speaker 3: Like, dude, I've I've enjoyed all of this conversation and I fucking love your thought process and I was I wanted to interrupt you, but I feel like everything you explained about what you were feeling to when you were getting up in the big leagues, the CBS, the am I who I say, I am? All of those feelings, all of those processes, right there is. What we are explaining is I feel like a similar experience that you're explaining walking out into a college stadium or an NFL stadium without the just the theatrics and the adrenaline aside from the adrenaline dump and everything else, that thought process of caring so fucking much about what you do and how hard you work at it, and having so much perspective on how you got where you are, and hey, am I who I think I am? I'm gonna there's some I don't knows and some question marks, but I'm willing to jump and go after it with competition, with everything else around that, right, there is a mentality that gives I feel like the anxieties of everything you do, whether you walk out into a stadium or you're just elevating at your next job or going into your big league so without the stage and everything else, I feel like that is a very similar feeling that every competitor has when like walking out into the arena.

02:04:35
Speaker 2: That's the competition, Like, that's it's not do I get more views than the other dude? That's how I think you define competition.

02:04:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like that. Yeah, everything you were kind of walking through when you got that call in my this I'm gonna be in am I going to own the room?

02:04:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel this way?

02:04:49
Speaker 3: Can I put my ego out the door because I'm gonna be lined up across from so and so, or I'm gonna be talking on the desk and so and so. I feel like all of it is the same mentality because you care so much about your success or your version of success.

02:05:02
Speaker 1: In your world.

02:05:03
Speaker 3: So I feel like that is the that is the bridging of the gap between the normal person and them seeing somebody at some high level doing it, It's like, no, you're yours can be there too. It's just how much you're pouring into that process. And when that brea big break does come. Just know that is the feeling that everybody feels of jumping into something they're very uncomfortable about.

02:05:21
Speaker 2: That's but when the big break happens. The awesome thing is when you get wired that way. The big break is when you're a kid, you envision it whatever is going to come of your life. When the big things happen, there's confetti, there's parties, there's slaps on the back, and then when you actually wire yourself, the way you have to be wired to even get the break. You're wired in such a way where you celebrate for ten minutes, yes, and you just are next.

02:05:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not like unless you're selling a company and retireing, that's it.

02:05:50
Speaker 2: That's the difference.

02:05:51
Speaker 1: Once you get the big break, whether it's financially or you've you've actually some one snap in the NFL stap NFL, it's like you can celebrate that as a perfect level. You can celebarate for five seconds because then there's the second coming right there. But like, you get the job you wanted, you get the you, you get the someone's like, hey you can do this. Now you get more money whatever it is. That's exciting. But then now the work actually has to come in to prove whoever gave you the opportunity right, And that's where it's like you really have no time to go and sit there and be like, look how great I am. It's like you truly have to be on to the next thing. Then it's the whole When do you reflect when you look in the rearview mirror and be like, okay, I was able to achieve all this. But then if you do that for too long, now you're losing what's in front of you. It's a very interesting game of balance that needs to take place because there always has to be gratitude. But if you're wired the way we are, it's like, hey, what is the next step towards the end goal which truly we don't know, which is actually dying, like you just eventually die, and it's like, how do you do that? You get up there and he pulls up the scroll and he's like, hey, not that, not that could have done better here though, yea. You know.

02:06:54
Speaker 3: That's why I also appreciated going over the parts where you've said no to a lot of people are said no to some things because I think another thing that successful people or achievers have a hard time doing of getting the goalpost to stop moving when you know what I am doing is enough and I know, hey, not that you're relaxed. I'm just going to be doing this. Foreverybody, this doesn't necessarily tie to what I want to do with my audience or what I want to do in the future. And you're you're able to say no to those people, which probably makes you It does make you more valuable because I'm sure those numbers go up and they're try to dangle a beer carrot.

02:07:26
Speaker 1: One day, they'll probably be a character. Why you can't say no to carrot? Maybe it's the commissioner of college football.

02:07:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe you just grow the garden. Maybe you just grow the garden. Hey, yeah, maybe we feed everybody. I don't like that I saw.

02:07:40
Speaker 3: Do you just grow the garden?

02:07:41
Speaker 2: Hey? Uh?

02:07:42
Speaker 3: I saw one. I want to say it was like a stoic meditation. It was like he who chases two rabbits stays hungry. Why not grow the carrots?

02:07:50
Speaker 2: Sounds easy?

02:07:52
Speaker 3: Sounds yeah, it sounds easy in theory. Yeah, you know what, let's just stop chasing around. Let's just grow the garden.

02:07:57
Speaker 2: You know they have like when you turn down opportunities, though, there is almost like a who do you think you are? Like the audacity?

02:08:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could you say no to us?

02:08:06
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, I mean, do you understand the concept of alignment?

02:08:09
Speaker 1: Yeah?

02:08:10
Speaker 2: The concept just like how that works? I mean, would you would you put this show on your network?

02:08:14
Speaker 1: No?

02:08:14
Speaker 2: Why not? Well because it doesn't fit our network. You just describe who I'm telling you know, right, no hard feelings, like that's just why I'm telling you no.

02:08:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the person who wants to put the square peg in the round hole. Dude, it's it's very difficult when you don't have a whole lot and you're just constantly wanting success and you think more as better as opposed to quality over quantity. Yeah, so it's just it's a game, man, It's a game of knowing who you are. And if somebody like you doesn't know who they are as much as they do, it's like you probably fall into that trap more times than once.

02:08:42
Speaker 2: If you're listening right now, okay, if you're watching this right now, so that's that's subscribe, absolutely, subscribe.

02:08:47
Speaker 3: Subscribe.

02:08:47
Speaker 2: Okay, what are you doing here? If you haven't? Yeah, this is the simplest question, Ask yourself, who am I? This is like, this is a mind bender for a lot of people because they will say they'll give you their name, or I'll give you their skin color, or their height and weight, or their hometown. That's not who you are. That's the stuff on your driver's license. Who are you? Like, dig the dagger into your chest, cut yourself open. Who are you? What are your talents? What are your passions? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you cut out to do, Like what is your purpose.

02:09:18
Speaker 1: All that stuff?

02:09:19
Speaker 2: If you asked me that at twenty three, I would have just stammered. I know that someone asked me this. I didn't have the answer. It's the same dude who asked me, why would anyone care what you have to say? He asked me, who are you? I didn't know how to answer that. Why would anyone care what you have to say? I didn't know how to answer that, which just meant I wasn't ready yet, which just meant you got years that you still have to put in. Didn't want to hear that at the time. I didn't accept it at the time, but it was a reality at the time. So it doesn't matter if you want to get into media or you want to build a trucking company, like who are you? How are you about to go anywhere? How are you about to build anything? Before you've even laid the foundation? That stuff? It mid mess me up. And when the guy asked me that those two questions, it messed me up so much. And now, like years later, I asked that to everybody when I speak at colleges, I asked that to everybody.

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02:10:33
Speaker 1: Back to the episode on the topic of who people are? Who are the Nebraska Cornas is going to be this year, So.

02:10:44
Speaker 2: I feel like we're close enough to the season where a lot of people are going to start getting on the whole. Ooh, I just did my research. It looks like Matt Rulan year three is a big deal. Well, we've been saying that for a long time.

02:10:55
Speaker 1: Will I've saying that since the minute he was hired. It's like year three is the year.

02:10:58
Speaker 2: I don't think that those people know that even Holgerson is the offensive coordinator. I don't think most people know that. I don't think most Just so, I've got Dylan here, I've got Dana Holgerson here, and I just feel like that's about to happen this year. And even though they lost Tony to Florida State, which is a move I still question. By the way, even though they lost him to Florida State, I feel like the defensive personnel will be good enough that the scaling of offensive production, combined with what I think is the most workable Big ten schedule in the entire conference, there's such a path to ten and two, and I think ten and two gets him in. The question is the question is, oh God, The question is who's ready not to follow that prediction? But like, is anyone ready to top that prediction? That's what I came here to find out this morning, lash early afternoon.

02:11:51
Speaker 3: Hey, timeout, Now just for a little context on Josh Pate starting the bar at ten and two, you were at eight wins its nine?

02:12:00
Speaker 1: It was, yes, it was. Here's what I have to receive. It happened a little over a month ago, and nothing in nine and three.

02:12:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, July's vacation month, No one cares what happens in July August is rubber to the road.

02:12:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, fart and the wind.

02:12:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. Influences from around the neighborhood have pushed me to ten wins.

02:12:18
Speaker 1: It was nine and three losses coming from Ohio, State, USC and Michigan.

02:12:26
Speaker 2: William Nebraska. I am ready to predict. I am ready to back with my own money that Nebraska will be better than six and six.

02:12:37
Speaker 3: This year.

02:12:40
Speaker 2: Could be seven wins, could be twelve wins. As it turns out, its ten wins. Look, if you don't believe in Nebraska better, hey, because he was trying to he was. He shot me that clip being like they never noticed when you toss love out shame. I said, better than six and six?

02:12:53
Speaker 3: Is love to you?

02:12:54
Speaker 1: Josh?

02:12:55
Speaker 3: He said that could mean twelve and oh. I said it could also mean seven and five, which.

02:12:58
Speaker 1: Is a floor for Nebraska here.

02:13:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think so.

02:13:01
Speaker 1: I think that is a if you're a logical fan, you say that if you end the season at seven and five, you think we've gotten better. We've gotten better? How is that seven and five? Look, I think that determines a lot of things. You can't be like blow getting blown out five times but having slow with small wins. But if you go seven and five after not making a bowl games is twenty fifteen until twenty twenty four, you need to be proud of what your program is putting on putting out there.

02:13:25
Speaker 2: Do we agree with that?

02:13:26
Speaker 3: No? No, because no nobody really does. But hang on, before we go any farther, do you have Nebraska peg at seven and five this year?

02:13:33
Speaker 1: I that's a tough question. Let me have this conversation and then I'll give you my answer.

02:13:37
Speaker 3: Because he's also trying to speak for logical Nebraska fans, which I'm trying to absolutely nothing.

02:13:42
Speaker 1: I am trying to speak for logical fandom, right, people casuals who don't really follow in nebrasketball. So the under here just on the outside looking at I think the more you look in the Nebraska football the more you be like, yeah, they should be probably seven to five. And to follow up on your ten and two now where you were, I replied to you and said, eight plus are my foxhil guys. Those are the guys buying stock. Those are the guys that understand what's going on in the kitchen of Nebraska football. Are they really see ten plus win level? Optimism.

02:14:12
Speaker 3: Battling for a college football playoff spot, no very few are very few have that kind of courage. But the ones seeing the field with eight plus are the ones I'm ready to go to war with.

02:14:21
Speaker 1: You said I can do eight. By August, I could see myself flirting with the nines.

02:14:25
Speaker 2: Now we're at ten and you're saying, is anybody crazy enough to top ten? I'm not saying is anyone crazy enough? I'm asking does anyone believe in Nebraska more than me?

02:14:37
Speaker 3: Is there sharing the bust with them? You're sharing a college football show with them?

02:14:40
Speaker 2: Eleven?

02:14:42
Speaker 3: I can see us going eleven in one. Yes, okay, you want to go you want me to go over.

02:14:47
Speaker 1: To the schedule.

02:14:48
Speaker 2: I'd love this because it's all on record, So yes, I would love this. This is my Christmas present to myself in December. So I have us at ten and two, but I believe easily that we can go eleven and one. Okay, at least before Will starts.

02:15:08
Speaker 1: I have to deal with this, yeah, four times a year, starting middle of January, it's probably the first time this happens. Then it'll be like April, then June, July, and then right before the season go ahead.

02:15:22
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I shoved Nebraska football down your throat like I could calm cool, calm collected, because I know what's bruin. But I digress. Nebraska Cincinnati, that's one where we set the tone for the season. That's one to know Akron two and oh HCU school what he was at Houston Christian University.

02:15:46
Speaker 2: Never heard of her? All right, so that's three and oh, that's three.

02:15:49
Speaker 3: Michigan. I got us taken down Michigan. To me, that's the that's the game where it's like, who the fuck are we gonna be this year? No, I agree with you, and I think in Lincoln, Nebraska, Nebraska beats Michigan State. I think we win. And here's where I have our first loss, either at Maryland or at Minnesota, not because they are better than us. We are the more superior team. I think when you start to get can you scroll out what is that six? And oh before Maryland? Uncharted territories where you don't know how we're gonna handle this success because the moment we beat the Wolverines, we're gonna be catapulted up. You're gonna be on your show talking about the power rankings. How we're gonna be like a top ten school by week though you're talking about before after you beat Michigan. But that's what I'm saying. You're going through this world of rule aid and kool aid to where how are the boys gonna handle this? And this could be a challenging clip because I know when we are six and oh and we're gonna go out to Maryland or the fluck bank in Minnesota. Everybody knows how weird that gets out there. But he runs a solid program. We could I could see us dropping one because we've gotten too big for our bridges, which gives it, which honestly is great timing because then you beat the pitts out of Northwestern in those nerds, and then you'll host USC and Nebraska and USC is a good team this year, and I think we need all the fucking pisson vinegar we need. I would rather have us sitting at that what is that seven to one? Eight and one with the USC coming in with that little ego check. No, they're being absolutely undefeated up until USC comes in, because I think USC is gonna be a tough team, and we would have whooped their ass if the ref would have thrown a flag last year on that pass interference called late in the game. We beat USC we handle Ucla because they fucking beat us last year in our home spot and they should not have beat us. And I think we're gonna get a bad taste out of our mouths with Ucla. We're gonna be motivated.

02:17:34
Speaker 2: Then you go in.

02:17:36
Speaker 3: That's gonna be Look if we're undefeated at Penn State or one lost team at Penn State, we're talking all of it, big newon kickoff College game Day, what's your fall.

02:17:45
Speaker 2: Tour called Default Don't Lie Tour? Defall Don't Lie Tour?

02:17:49
Speaker 1: What's our what's gonna be ours?

02:17:50
Speaker 2: The Boys of the Fall Tour is gonna be there.

02:17:52
Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna be well at Penn State. Probably a white album two. We dropped that one against Penn State. That's where I'll take my realism.

02:18:07
Speaker 2: You know where I'm riding.

02:18:08
Speaker 3: I got us twelve and oh personally, but if I'm gonna have some realism in this take we drop against Penn State, that's where I see us being a two loss team. Then we handle and beat the absolute shit out of fucking the Iowa Hawk guys, because we need it. You want to know the last time, you know, the last time they won, or we won at home against Iowa twenty eleven when Willie c was operating. Iowa comes to Nebraska. We close that one out at home, and we go ten and two on the outside looking in because I think it's gonna be Penn State Oregon in the Big Ten Championship and we're gonna be positioned beautifully for the college football playoff. That's my that's my season of Nebraska.

02:18:48
Speaker 2: You're right there, all right. So have you seen the movie Tremors before?

02:18:51
Speaker 6: Oh?

02:18:52
Speaker 2: Great movie, great movie. Yeah, so you you just ran on in it. So you just played the worm. That's basically what you played. What I wanted to do, and I told Clump this, what I wanted to do is plant my flag. Early today. I came in with strategy, and what I wanted to do is at the end of that movie when they throw the dynamite stick behind the worm to piss it off and get it to go hard at the edge of the cliff, and then you just tunnels tunnels, tunnels through the edge of the cliff and it flies down to the bottom. It splatters all over the place. I either want you to be a legend to end all legends and this to happen, or I am playing this on loop in December because no one will remember my busted ten and two prediction once You've just done this for the past five minutes. But I'm with you. I agree with you with the Penn State organ I agree with you that Nebraska is positioned well. I just I didn't like sweat like a Baptist preacher and yell emphatically when I said it, so like, I've got no lose situation here. I feel like either they come through, which we're all happy, almost all of us are happy, or they don't and then you're the face of it.

02:19:54
Speaker 1: I can live in that world.

02:19:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in that world. I'll tell you this.

02:20:01
Speaker 3: I've never been more confident than I am this year.

02:20:04
Speaker 1: I think they can do it.

02:20:08
Speaker 3: J J.

02:20:08
Speaker 1: B Knows what I'm talking about, beautifully said, how do you feel about that?

02:20:17
Speaker 2: I like ten to two, That's what I have them going. Ten and two? College football playoff team.

02:20:22
Speaker 3: Where do you see the drops? Where do you see the losses?

02:20:24
Speaker 1: On that schedule?

02:20:25
Speaker 2: One of Ohio so No. One of USC Penn State, and then another random Like you said, I didn't know what you said.

02:20:32
Speaker 1: That's nine to three.

02:20:34
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no one of USC or Penn State. Okay, yeah, no, no, no, we drop against us.

02:20:39
Speaker 3: See you guys going into Penn State.

02:20:41
Speaker 2: One of Michigan. There's no skill in this ten and two. That's what they're doing. They're going ten and two.

02:20:46
Speaker 3: There is skill the beat Michigan.

02:20:49
Speaker 2: I pick them to beat Michigan right now. Why I think they're going to be a better football team than Michigan?

02:20:54
Speaker 6: Why I like?

02:20:57
Speaker 2: I don't this is just stalling.

02:21:01
Speaker 1: September twenty first, When things go my way, I'm gonna have a hell of a time when the show's fine.

02:21:05
Speaker 2: So I feel like if the game were in November, I got almost a full year of Bryce Underwood. I feel a little bit better than But he will have already gone into Oklahoma, so it's not like going on the road's going to be foreign to him. Yeah. I don't know. I just like the way the game profile is better for him. I should have brought my laptop in here.

02:21:20
Speaker 3: You'll have Martindale.

02:21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him?

02:21:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, how could you not?

02:21:23
Speaker 2: How much what he's done? Yeah, you're gonna put Ryle in a blender, aren't you how much he blitzes nineteen thirteen. Dn't.

02:21:30
Speaker 1: I didn't like how much he blitzed in the beginning of the year last year. I thought it was a little too chaotic, a little too crazy. I think he he listens to the show. I think he got a whole lot better, a whole lot more tactical with the way he handled his exotic blitzes.

02:21:43
Speaker 3: He does a great job.

02:21:44
Speaker 1: Of hiding the shell. He does a great job of not letting you know where it's coming from. But he really fine tuned it going in the back half of the year. Obviously, we had the four pass turned off last year, so it's very hard to evaluate where Michigan is. I know we ended up with beating Ohiose State and beating Alabama, so that that's a pretty good ending for a team that couldn't throw the battle. I think we had one hundred and ten yards throwing in both of those. Those in mind, it's incredible. We go there in the spring, A lot of conversation, obviously revolving on Bryce under what everyone really likes him. We got to see him play. I thought he was really impressive. The other than the one interceptionate a Nico but a lot of guys are talking about the defense, how they're actually gonna be better even though they've lost the two guys in the middle.

02:22:23
Speaker 2: I've heard that, and I see yeah.

02:22:25
Speaker 1: I mean, they played more than half the year without Will Johnson the number one corner. They had a kind of a revolving door. They lost their safety to an ACL He'll be back. They have a lot of talent. Michigan, when I think I have done it, has a really good job of is developing players, taking three stars, turning him into that five star. I think they've done a better job than probably any other team that I can think of right now. So when I think about that deal, if that defense is better, if that defense is better, and Bryce Underwood is seventy five percent of what people believe he can be, then I think absolutely they stopped Nebraska. It's a double digit. That's double digit, Okay, yeah, I think it's ten plus.

02:23:04
Speaker 2: I just think you don't face a ton of offenses that can beat you in multiple ways up there and Nebraska. If I'm right about it, if I'm wrong about him, moot point. If I'm right about him, they'll be one of those teams. But so Will Oklahoma, so you will have already faced the team. If I'm right about those teams that are layered enough to beat you in several different ways, like you don't have one answer for them. In other words, we'll I'll have.

02:23:22
Speaker 3: A bunch better of an understanding of Michigan.

02:23:24
Speaker 2: We after Oklahoma.

02:23:25
Speaker 3: After Oklahoma, it's like, do they win? Do they lose?

02:23:28
Speaker 1: I don't know, But how did the game? How does the game look? How does all sixty minutes that game come together? How does Bryce Underwood handle adversity to get sacked a couple of times? Because that's the biggest question. Mark Roola, I love will sitting because he's got a guy that you can see getting better and better. I think it's a little disrespectful that I think the top ten quarterbacks of college football came out and Roola wasn't in it. I think he's a guy that could be sitting in that nine or ten spot right now. But with Bryce, it's like potential potentially we talked about in the intro of the show, haven't done shit yet, So I really need to see what he does before I start planning a massive flag in the ground. I think you're you're never counted out when you're playing, when you're with Michigan, never kind of especially seeing what they did last year with literally the inability to throw the forward pass, because their offensive line is gonna be a lot better this year. They have two running backs that can shove it down your throat. Yeah, why are receivers that are willing to block? And then he had a defense who's hunger and swarms for the ball, has exotic blitz. Is that a lot of quarterbacks that don't necessarily know how to pick apart defense defenses is in college, They're going to be thrown a certain way. They're not going to really know what to do with certain zeros, with the nickel coming when you don't see him coming, flipping the protection, those types of things.

02:24:41
Speaker 2: Gritty wins again. Biggest game of the season I've got.

02:24:46
Speaker 1: I've really've just.

02:24:48
Speaker 2: Really been talked into the like external dynamics on this thing, feeling like a playoff game. No emotionally invested in it. Yeah, I didn't walk into the season emotionally invested in it, but now I'm kind of emotionally invested in it. It's not just another I wanted to be one of your your hinge games that you were going over. Yeah, probably I started to fit fast. It probably should have made that.

02:25:06
Speaker 1: Look when's he gonna.

02:25:06
Speaker 3: Start fast forward? It was either gonna be Nebraska, Michigan or Michigan Oklahoma, because I know you're big on Oklahoma this year too.

02:25:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is that? Because I heard and the earlier in the year, everyone's like Oklahoma's gonna have a really down year. They never seem to really get over the hump. This quarterback is supposed to be really good, but we don't know if Oklahoma's actually gonna be anything of substance. Yeah, now we're getting close to the season. I don't know if it's like a draft stock thing where a guy is a tweet, like a late first round, early second, and all of a sudden, he hey, this guy could possibly be a top ten pick and he still ends up going late first round, early second, Like, what is Oklahoma to you? Why is it all of a sudden? Why is there stock rising so much?

02:25:41
Speaker 2: Because they were never a fatally flawed team. They were a team with multiple top ten classes stacked on top of each other. They portaled consistently in the top ten like last year. Their fatal flaw was they horrifically failed at hiring at the OC position, and it was oil and water and Jackson Arnold in that offense was dead on arrival. It's terrible. So it's the season thrown away. And so what people didn't even pay attention to is this isn't a terrible team, not the terrible roster. It's a pretty good to high level roster with fatal flaw in it that makes all the rest of it irrelevant. So then they addressed the fatal flaw part one. They brought in OC and quarterback from the same place Utah did the same thing. By the way, people aren't paying attention to that, so Matier comes in with his OC. The second thing they did was they attacked the portal. The one area they needed to attack the portal, which was wide receiver. So they get a kid named Dion Burksback who should have been a star last year, transferred from perdub but he was hurt, so he's back this year. Dog. Then the rest of the wide receiver room I think not only is filled out, but it's really complimentary. It's not like five of the same dudes. So the one question I have about them that I'll be watching early in the season, specifically when they get tested in as Michigan is. Are they as improved on the offensive line as they think, because that was a real liability for him. They had like ten different starting rotations last year in the first ten weeks. If that's in place, I've actually got very little doubt about Mate. I don't question him like I think he could contend for high trophy. So I think he's gonna play at that high level. Defense conservatively, top fifteen unit could be better than that. I just think people who are shot when Oklahoma is good this year didn't really watch Oklahoma last year. They know the quarterback sucked, or the quarterback offensive coordinator Combo sucked and the rest of it. They just kind of tuned out. They watched it from fifty thousand feet.

02:27:18
Speaker 1: I watched it from I watched them against South Carolina.

02:27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bad belth to ask. That was a bad day a belt to ask. That was the week after Carolina goes into Tuscaloosa and loses.

02:27:28
Speaker 3: I know they should have won that game too. We were in Oregon.

02:27:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go in there and lose, and Beamer, after his fresh conference said, you know what, this is enough it's just enough, and they go out to Oklahoma the next week. I think it was three pick six's they had. They had twenty one nuts, they had twenty one on the board and not an offensive point to speak up. Just crazy.

02:27:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought up a team and it is in your favorite conference, the Bay twelve of Utah. Now a lot of people talking about Utah. You think ASU takes well. I don't want to get into futures. As we'll talk about features on the show. I'll say right now, I like ASU, but about Utah.

02:28:01
Speaker 2: Well, Utah, everyone watched Whittingham win double digit games forever and then he had a down year last year, and people just I don't know. I said this on our show last night. I feel like people have made an effort to forget about Utah after one down year. It's the Big Twelve. There's not a lot of difference in ten and two and five and seven. It's like a bunch of one possession games, bounce, the ball goes against you, injury for them, win against them last year. So everyone's talking about Oklahoma going and getting the quarterback oc Combo from the same school they did that. They went and got a kid named Devon Dan Pierre out of New Mexico and brought him back his offensive coordinator, So they basically imported an offense and you don't have a quarterback learning on the fly elsewhere. It's still Utah. Like the roster is still Utah. They're gonna I mean, they could take a stone and squeeze it and they get drops of water out of it, So they get every possible ounce of potential out of a roster they always have. So either I'm supposed to believe Whittingham's entire career or I'm supposed to believe last year is the new Utah. And I don't believe last year is the new Utah because it's not like nil and the Portal has sunk its teeth into the Big Twelve. In the SEC and the Big Ten, they're fundamentally different conferences because of it. The Big Twelve, no one outside of Texas Tech, no one's spending a ton of money, like, no one's got huge roster turn no one's got huge staff turnover. So the conference pretty much is what it was. Texas Tech's the one exception, and I think there'll be a contender this year. But you look at if you've got a FanDuel right now, and you look at the odds to win the Big Twelve, they don't look like any other conference. Every other conference has got a couple pretty high level favorites, and then there's some drop off Tier two, drop off, Tier three, Kansas State, Utah, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Baylor, TCU. They have pretty much identical odds. You would have to go to the show me More function before you ever got down to someone who's plus fifteen hundred odds or lower. So that's the Big Twelve, even Fanduels saying, yeah, we just threw these numbers out there, like, go ahead, take your pick. If you think you know this conference better than we do. Look you go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. They're eight teams deep before you get to plus fifteen hundred odds, and that plus fifteen hundred is Kansas, who with the healthy Jalen Daniels, could win the conference this year. They don't play their games in Arrowhead this year, by the way, twelve, Yeah, they actually have a home campus stadium again this year. Yeah, all right, sure, you.

02:30:17
Speaker 3: Know Shre was fired up about the Big twelve talk you.

02:30:20
Speaker 1: Brought up the NIL. Ever, since nil nil took over, you see a massive jump into big ten in national championships. Is that proof that the SEC was paying their players before nil no?

02:30:31
Speaker 2: The proof of the SEC paying players is that the SEC was paying their players like it didn't need to be. People look at this as like a one track sort of scenario, like, yeah, nil came along, Here's what else happened. Nick Saban retired from Alabama. Like Saban retiring in any era was going to fundamentally impact the death grip that the SEC had on college football because it wasn't the SEC that had a death grip. It was Alabama that had a death grip on college football, led by Nick Saban. Ten. We did our SEC preview on our show last night and for all to talk about the depth and competitive balance. Ten of the last eleven SEC championships were either one by Bama or Georgia. There's one exception that's Burrow and LSU in twenty nineteen. Okay, so he retires, I'm not You could come back at me and say, but what if I told you he retired because of the way innil was impacting the sport, you could have some validity there. I don't doubt that. But the point remains, if the nil thing never changed and Saban retired, that would have fundamentally changed the SEC. It would have fundamentally changed college football. It just so happens that a lot of that stuff overlapped. Like also, somebody would come at me and say, hey man, the expanded playoff, that's what's changed everything, Like, no, it hasn't. Nick Saban retiring was a bombshell. It was like an asteroid into the ocean of college football. So you either you really do believe the guy was the greatest of all time and acknowledge what I'm saying has to be true, or you think he was a fraud, because you can't think he was the greatest of all time but not acknowledge his retirement had to be a huge monumental change at the sport.

02:32:01
Speaker 1: Wasn't he public about NILS one of the bigger reasons why he retired there?

02:32:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't. Like I've listened to him, talked about it on and off the record. It was absolutely a reason he retired. But I would follow up with this, Let's say he chose to stay at Alabama. Does anyone really think Alabama's gonna fall off a cliff, like they were still going to compete. They weren't gonna have three deep of future first round NFL talent. No one does, Kirby Dutt and Ryan Day doesn't. No one does. But that dude always found a way. COVID came around, dude just pivoted on a dime. They dominated that year. That dude ran three different totally unique versions of offense in his time at Alabama. Like they won with Tua, they won with Derrick Henry. They won with John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy at quarterback. They won with Bryce Young at quarterback. They won with two hundred and sixty pound middle linebackers. They won with with Shan Evans at my They did all kinds of different things. So at every turn of his career he adjusted. He would have adjusted to this. It's just he looked at it and said, I'm not sure that's the version of the game I want to coach anymore. Also, in my my seventies and I can go work at ESPN and get a raise to talk about football instead of just coaching it anymore.

02:33:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point about the SEC.

02:33:12
Speaker 2: But like.

02:33:14
Speaker 1: Alabama having a choke hold on the SEC. If Alabama is no longer there, does Georgia and LSU and all these other top tier SEC schools, do they go and win the national championship you're talking about if they had this?

02:33:29
Speaker 2: Is this is it?

02:33:29
Speaker 1: If like right, we're taking Alabama off the face?

02:33:32
Speaker 2: Yah yeah yeah? Or or just making them another pretty good program. Yeah yeah. I don't know. I really don't know. I think about I mean, I go back and think about like the Mark Rick Georgia teams, the Less Miles LSU teams, those teams, those guys legacies were fundamentally changed because of Nick Saban. If Saban's not at the SEC, first off, Urban probably stays at Florida longer than he did, and he may rattle off three or four titles. But Mark Rick probably wins one at Georgia Less Miles, if not for Alabama, He's got the best team in the league most years in those early twenty teens sort of period. So I think back about a number of guys and how I mean, you can't prove it, you can't prove a counterfactual, but you never know, like whose career would have taken off because then Kirby's if Saban doesn't take off at Alabama, what Herby? Yeah, don't know.

02:34:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel like Alabama the way remind me of the head coach Utah.

02:34:28
Speaker 2: Again, Kyle Whittingham.

02:34:30
Speaker 3: You feel like the boor is in a similar situation, or it's like the feeling around Bama is Alabama has a down year and all we've done is watch Dabor double digit wins throughout his entire career.

02:34:42
Speaker 2: To a certain extent, yes, I think the difference with that is there's a huge portion of the public that actively wants Alabama to lose. I don't think there's a large portion of the public that hates Utah. They just don't really, They're indifferent. So they've chosen. Like, I think it's a lot easier to root for Kenny Dillingham. Kenny's an awesome dude. Ude. Really, it's really fun to say, like I love what they got going on in Arizona State, or like I love Iowa State. I love the colors, the mascots, a Tornado, they check all the boxes for me. Texas Tech just spent a ton in Nil So it's a lot more flashy to root for them. Utah's really meat and potatoes, which doesn't really sell. It's not all that sexy. So I think that people have forgotten about maybe them just because Utah was never at the forefront of their mind. Utah had to elbow their way into your line of sight every year. No one ever focuses on Utah. They make you focus on them. At Alabama, I mean, there are a hundred different reasons why people want to Board to fail. Unless you're Abama fan. Most of America wants him to fail. They want Bama to fail. Think about at any given point, like you said, when Saban's at Alabama, your one ray of hope in the SEC is this dude's a little bit older, so he's going to retire eventually. And you always told yourself Bama was bad before he got there, So it hasn't been a Bama thing. It's been a Saban thing. And once he leaves, Bama will revert back. Plus there's going to be a whole generation of in title fans who don't know reality, they don't know what losing's like. They'll be paranoid, they'll run the next coach out of town. The biggest nightmare, the biggest nightmare. Yeah, for any non SEC fan or non Bama fan. If we clip this later here, I'll just do this cleanly. The biggest nightmare for any non Bama fan has been saban Era ends. You breathe a sigh of relief, and somehow they find a replacement that meets that standard again, because it's not supposed to be possible. So if he comes in there and wins and dibores what in like his early fifties or something like that, then what do you.

02:36:33
Speaker 1: Do twenty more years?

02:36:34
Speaker 2: Hell, I was down there. I was down there over the weekend. I went and watch the scrimmage. That's one of the more physical scrimmages I've ever seen. They built different, dude, they got after a different group of cats. They got after it. It was more physical than a lot of the games you go to in the fall, which brings you.

02:36:50
Speaker 3: Back to Michigan. Yeah, you can beat them two times in a row.

02:36:53
Speaker 2: Physical ball club, Yeah, or you. I don't know.

02:36:56
Speaker 3: I'm not like Alabama hater, Wait have you? I'm I feel like Alabama hasn't been like people talk about Georgia like. I feel like they're not in the conversation as much as much. And they went nine to three last year, and I feel like just understanding, you know what happens when you're just absolutely superior and a coach has a you know, not up the expectation year. Then it's like, if they had another nine and three year, god forbid, eight for eight and four, it's like, are they going to be calling for a divorce?

02:37:26
Speaker 2: No, they would, right, they would, There's no doubt about that. It's you can think whatever you want to about it, but you don't get to take over that job at the level it was handed off to him and have two down years. The thing about replacing a legend. I sat in his office and talked to him about this for like two hours in the spring. He's absolutely wired the way you have to be wired to work at Alabama Post saving because he doesn't care about the whole No one wants to take over after a legend. What he cared about is is everything operational at the level it needs to be, because if it is, like he would never say this, but here's how he thinks. Because a one percenter thinks this way. They know Saban was great, but a one percenter looks in the mirror every morning it says, I'm pretty good too, Like I think I'm really good too. I think I may be the best in the game too. And if I'm being given what I need to win, I'm gonna win. I don't care who was the boss here before I was the trade off on that. The reason that's really so hard to replace a legend is because it's hard to win at a high level, period, but especially like if you look at the legends in college football, very few of them retired at their apex. Most of them hung around several years too long. So you were taking over a program that was trending downwards, but the expectations were still sky high, and no one had time for a rebuild. No one wanted to listen to you say, I just took over for a legend, but we got to start from scratch. Well, de Boor walked in. I mean, Saban had just gone to the playoffs and overtime against Michigan. Like that's when he said, all right, I'm out. So they got a loaded roster. They've i mean administratively, like they're about as good as anyone got one of the best ads in the country. So like organizationally, everything that's where you need it. He hands them a world class recruiting and personnel department. They kept a lot of those people. A lot of the saving people are still there. He infused some of his folks, but he wasn't ignorant enough to say, I think I'm just going to bring Washington down to Tuscaloosa. Like he kept a fair amount of mixture of the two. But you go into year two and all that sounds good. Yeah, you gotta win. You go eight and four again, there's no defending that you play a tough schedule. But yet I watched them Saturday. There aren't many rosters that look like that. There aren't many coaching staffs that are built like that. So twelve saturdays in the fall, that's when you get judged. It's totally fair. Get you so juiced out for here it does.

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02:40:45
Speaker 2: Let me do a little scouting on my enemy. Okay, Ohio State. They're not all that are they.

02:40:53
Speaker 1: Think what their defense? They lose everybody except for two. Yeah, I mean they obviously gonna reload completely at the wide receiver position. There a wide receiver U essentially quarterback unproven Ryan day yippie.

02:41:06
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

02:41:09
Speaker 6: Oh?

02:41:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, some weird celebration.

02:41:11
Speaker 1: For hippieis versus Michigan. Like me, how are we feeling about Columbus?

02:41:20
Speaker 2: All right, it's ironic. They open against Texas because of the two teams that I'm having trouble with, or Texas and Ohio State only because them replacing production is not like a normal team replacing production. Because when you go watching practice, like when I go watch teams practice, I will stand with a player personnel, guy who knows the roster entirely, and all I'll do is say, who is that?

02:41:43
Speaker 1: Who is that?

02:41:43
Speaker 2: Who is that? Gimme history, gimme his story, and I'll ask about twos. I don't ask about the starters. You know the starters. I'll ask about twos and threes. And at Texas and Ohio State it's constantly that dude to start. Everywhere else that guy will be a future first round or for us, and they're running with the twos and the three. So like, okay, you put that in the back your and then you know, once they send thirteen, fourteen, fifteen to the draft, the two's become the ones, the three's become the twos. YadA, YadA, YadA. You don't know their names. But not every new starter is created equal in the sport. Texas and Ohio State have aliens on their bench doesn't mean anything. It doesn't guarantee that they're going to produce, but you just like, there's a benefit of the doubt you bake in. And I've done it with them. I did it with saving at Bam. I do it with Kirby, I do it with Sark, I do it with Landing. I'll do it with them too, to where if you think they're good enough, if they meet the standard it takes to start for you, I trust them. It may not be as good as last year's team. Maybe some of those guys raw talent levels better than last year's team, and the experienced levels not there those two teams. It's so important not to draw definitive conclusions after week one. Like Penn State, you can draw conclusions after week one. You've seen all those players. They added some wide receiver help, let's see what they are at tight end. But largely, like Penn State's going to be who they are, Ohio State and Texas should look a ton different in no like, when you play him, do you really think Ohio State goes to ann Arbor last week of November. It's just going to be like a copy and paste of week one in Columbus. There's no way that's the case. No.

02:43:10
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many different variables, injuries, all all sorts of difference.

02:43:13
Speaker 2: Things, even if they're healthy, different Jersey, even if ye're true, even if they went wire to wire healthy, which will never happen. I would love to see how different that team looks in week What is that fourteen? This year two by weeks? Yeah, I'd love to see how different they look. Not to mention there will be injury always.

02:43:28
Speaker 6: God.

02:43:30
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the Texas hof State game.

02:43:32
Speaker 2: I'm excited, just.

02:43:33
Speaker 1: Like every other person is to see arch Manning. Is he really what everyone says he is? Seems like he has the right head on his shoulders. You know, he had a little press conmence the other day talking about doing shots. He's like, I'm twenty one, I can do a shot. Like, Oh, he's got a little personality to him. He's got that Manning pizzaz. You know, it's just like, is he going to be that guy? But do you that's a lot of pressure?

02:43:52
Speaker 4: Do you like?

02:43:53
Speaker 2: What? So if someone were to say, let's do the three of us here, someone tells you in ten seconds, give me your expects for Arch Manning this year?

02:44:01
Speaker 1: Go great? Heisman candidate go Heisman candidate, possible Master champion.

02:44:06
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a fringe Heisman candidate. He's going to be a pretty good to really good quarterback. So I stopped short of the whole hyping him up to be elite, hyping him up to be the Heisman favorite, only cause people do that all the time to college players. And then it gets to December and let's say I let's say I think arch is the best quarterback in the country. I pick him to win the Heisman. He's the fourth best quarterback in the country this year. What happens in sports media land is no one looks at that kid in December and says, well, he played the way he was going to play. I'm the I'm the dude who screwed up. I'm the dude who over hyped him. No one does that. No one ever looks in the mirror. They look at the kid and say, you were a bust. Right. But Arch Manning hasn't set an expectation for himself. Arch Manning hasn't made a prediction on himself. People who write for a living or talk for a living have so like the way I do it. With all these new starters is I assume that dude's there's a very high floor for him. But my expectation for him is, I think you're gonna be pretty good to really good. Anything above and beyond that is just gravy for me. You're playing for Texas. You shouldn't have to be an elite quarterback to win at Texas. If you are, they'll remember you for a long time. You could have an iconic season loading all that. But I think he's gonna be pretty good to really good. I think they'll be inconsistencies. He's human. Uh, they're gonna there's gonna be a game randomly where he throws two picks before halftime and people are gonna say, sorry, do you have to think about maybe making a change? No, you don't make a change in the third quarter. This is this is real life. You got He's got to go to Columbus, Gainesville and Athens before they even play O you in Dallas. I think like his four toughest games are away from Austin.

02:45:41
Speaker 1: That stuff's not easy, right, kind of a soft take though, just kind of making it easy, right, I'm making it easy on I'm making yeah, kind of a cop out. Heisman national champion. I think he's gonna be good to pretty good.

02:45:56
Speaker 2: Good to pretty good. Anyone can say that. But I picked material to win the high Man. Yeah that's a.

02:46:01
Speaker 6: That's a.

02:46:02
Speaker 1: You think he's gonna play the whole season with suspending.

02:46:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. I'm comfortable he put a statement out.

02:46:09
Speaker 1: Every statements, I mean, what more can you do. I'm sure, I'm sure he's a good kid, and I'm sure he fucks around and mess with his boys or whatever.

02:46:18
Speaker 2: But you know, that hit home for me because I am still on my dad's cell phone plan. I've never gotten off of it. I pay him, I pay him every month. But I'm I've never come off of my parents' cell phone plan, and I'm nearly forty years old to grow up, So I really am I pay I pay my dad via Vemo every month. If you were to look at the transaction, if I was dumb and excuse me, if I were inexperienced in life enough to have my transaction history on public and you saw what I use as the description when I pay my dad for my cell phone bill, you would think we were running a Mexican drug cartel. And all I'm doing is paying my cell phone bill, so we're running a cartel, like one hundred and fifteen dollars at a time. But so when he said, look, I've never bet on sports in my life. It's just an inside joke between me and my buddies. He's probably lying, but I got it. I related to it because that's what I do. Probably lyon, but I got it.

02:47:12
Speaker 3: Do we want to do before we let Josh peiy go? Do we want to talk about the conclusion of the Michigan Wolverines. You said you want to do a little Yeah.

02:47:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know about what do you think about my Wolverines. I want to get your true opinion about Bryce underward if you've been able to watch him at practice.

02:47:26
Speaker 2: I have not been up there. Oh, I have not been able to watch. So I think it's gonna be pretty good, really good. That's where that's where I think.

02:47:34
Speaker 1: He seems like a cat to me, Like even sitting here as a Michigan Homer, like, the expectation is insane for this kid.

02:47:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one. He's the one guy that he could transform the season for because if you think about it, like I think the same thing about Georgia's offensive line, the Michigan quarterback position. If they get a minus quarterback play when everyone's expecting question mark or C plus or B minus, it's fundamentally changes their season and the season downstream of like ten other teams. Yeah, so I haven't been able to watch them though, so I don't know.

02:48:04
Speaker 1: Basically, what you're saying is Michigan football.

02:48:07
Speaker 2: And everything just revolves. That's it.

02:48:09
Speaker 1: Did they get a slap on the risk for theirs?

02:48:13
Speaker 2: I didn't get upset about it, fine, because I thought what happened was what was going to happen. Here's what I'll say. They alleged multiple level one violations when you were a kid. You were a kid, I was a kid. That means hammer's dropping on your head, borderline death penalty, multi year postseason band all right. A lot of people out in Ohio state message board world allowed themselves to believe it was still two thousand and three, and it's not. And so my whole philosophy and I know this because I had a network executive explained it to me. I wasn't just guessing my way through it. They said, do you really think that we are paying billions of dollars to leagues which are just university presidents. That's what a league is. Those university presidents created the NCAA the same way that NFL owners created Roger Goodell's position, so that he can take the heat and take the ARA so the owners don't have to. Well, university presidents created the NCAA and the Enforcement Arm and the Investigation Arm and the Committee on Infractions. They own that like they created it. And that executive said, do you really think we're going to hand billions of dollars to university presidents only for those university presidents to voluntarily have an enforcement arm that punitively punishes one of the assets that we paid for to the point where a fewer people watch it. That's not what we're in the business of doing. So they can find them all they want to, they can give show causes all they want to. They're not getting a postseason banned. That was never on the table, and people built it up in their minds, and they said, well, look at what happened in previous worlds when Level one violations were alleged. That's a previous world. Billions were not on the table back then, just merely millions. We're in billions land now, no one gets postseason banned.

02:49:56
Speaker 1: Anymorey, big whale hunting is what we're doing around here. Yeah, so base, what you're saying is a lot of allegations. They did their investigation, realized we don't have a whole lot of footing to stand on, and so they slapped him with a twenty million dollar fine aka dropping the bucket and says Sean, you got to suspend yourself for one more game, and and.

02:50:15
Speaker 2: You just choose when it's gonna be this year, next year, whatever.

02:50:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is us saving face.

02:50:21
Speaker 2: I do think it looked. Yes, yeah, what you said, right, I.

02:50:25
Speaker 3: Think we don't have to do anymore.

02:50:26
Speaker 2: No.

02:50:26
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to go retracting wins. I thought they were going to try and do that. I never believed that matter, which, by the way, is the dumbest thing.

02:50:32
Speaker 2: No, I've never believed it matters. I got his.

02:50:37
Speaker 1: Heisman, like he had his heisman. He's got a photo with the heisman. Oh you don't get the heisman anymore. Still got the photo.

02:50:41
Speaker 2: I said this on my show, and a bunch of people said, oh, it matters a lot. I said, no, it doesn't. I was there, like I was there when you won the national Championship. I still there with JJ McCarthy on TV after the game. You can't tell me all of a sudden from Indianapolis, Indiana at NCAA headquarters. Hey, that experience you had, forget it, it happened, didn't exist. So that never mattered to me. That's why I thought they'd do it, because that's all window dressing, that's all aesthetic. They didn't even do that.

02:51:04
Speaker 1: And also when the microscope finally went on Michigan, it's right before Penn State, Maryland, which I said that he was gonna be the hardest game of the year, Ohio State, Alabama, and Washington. So if you're being everyone is watching every single thing you do. Let's say you were cheating. Let's say all the worst things are real. There's no way to cheat. Those games, can't do it.

02:51:23
Speaker 3: They also would have never gotten rid of any evidence. Who what Like Michigan got rid of all the evidence. Like they said that something happened, but there was nothing that they could the manifesto lived out Like I'm talking Topuku gutted himself through cell phones in the water.

02:51:39
Speaker 1: A lot of evidence was a lot of alleged a lot of alleged things happened, but the manifesto it's like, yeah, sorry, my boy is detail oriented who is also a marine, by the way, show some respect.

02:51:51
Speaker 2: So it's like, you attack Michigan, you attacked the huge people.

02:51:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, you ta Michigan. Like, listen, Michigan didn't do anything wrong.

02:52:01
Speaker 3: I feel like how long?

02:52:03
Speaker 1: How long?

02:52:03
Speaker 2: Is just amazing?

02:52:05
Speaker 1: Man.

02:52:06
Speaker 2: Clearly they did stuff wrong, right, clearly they did. You don't have to pretend it's a boy scout troop up there. You don't have to do that.

02:52:12
Speaker 1: You don't have to go.

02:52:13
Speaker 2: Scouts on or they did stuff wrong. They didn't get popped for it, and it wasn't as wrong as some of the internet was. Didn't do anything wrong.

02:52:21
Speaker 1: Listen, there are rules, Yes, Mike vrabel sits there, he goes. You find the rules, you exploit them, and you good teams use the rules to their advantage. Michigan is a good football team that took the rules, found the gray, explored the gray. Those will be sewn up. There's a reason why the reason. There's a reason why there's tax. There's a reason why there's tax.

02:52:42
Speaker 2: Lobonaires. There's a different gray area. Gray areas you skirt us to trying.

02:52:49
Speaker 1: You're trying to compete. You want these things to not happen.

02:52:52
Speaker 2: Make them black and white rules. I got no problem with it. I'm not running the anything wrong. I'm just saying it's a great area only because you know they really can't pop you for it, even though there's a rule against it. That's different than you haven't thought, like landing point twelve on the team on the field last year and the big tank got mad and he was like, there's no rule against it. Yes, that's different than what we're talking about here. You got off because there are rules against illegal scouting. It's just Connor looked at it and said, how are they ever going to prove this? Which was smart because they can't.

02:53:23
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, But Connor his punishment, what is it like an eight year Oh?

02:53:28
Speaker 2: Yes, like which honestly he got the punishment. Who said someone was anybody got punished, he got he punished. But I mean he could go work in the NFL tomorrow. There's a role in the NFL for him tomorrow. Yeah it's in Seattle. I bet could be. I bet you could be.

02:53:44
Speaker 3: No, you're you're right, I do Yeah, yeah, I wasn't.

02:53:48
Speaker 2: I just love the to the two sides of this. I watched this from a distance, and I watched Ohio State claim that anything less than removing the Michigan logo from the sport of college football would be a stain on the veil of the game, right and get on this bus. And we did nothing wrong.

02:54:07
Speaker 3: We did nothing wrong, because you got a Michigan side where there's like this this this arrogance about it, like they just they don't say that, they claim that nothing happened. And it's like, you guys can have some awareness and know that something happened, but you got away with it. Like you guys still won the.

02:54:22
Speaker 1: National title, still won the national can't take it away from it, can't take it away. We did it. It's like, yeah, Connor did was he at the tentionral Michigan game? Probably was he?

02:54:31
Speaker 3: What was he doing those days?

02:54:33
Speaker 1: Probably prove it.

02:54:35
Speaker 3: I think I did get it done.

02:54:36
Speaker 2: I think you did.

02:54:41
Speaker 1: You did, I will say, and I know, like obviously, ohiose Sate and I have a very interesting relationship. But the fact that Michigan had all these things and get slapped with what they had, but in twenty eleven or ten, they get free tattoos and they have bull bands when they went that was.

02:54:59
Speaker 2: They would have won the Nay?

02:55:00
Speaker 3: Would they would have won the Natty Championship.

02:55:04
Speaker 1: That is the craziest s if i'mn'n know how a State fan. I'm pissed about it too.

02:55:07
Speaker 2: I'm going to have every I completely court. I'm getting my wins back.

02:55:14
Speaker 1: Was it UCF that put up their twenty twenty three National Championship banner?

02:55:17
Speaker 2: Hang State?

02:55:18
Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing.

02:55:21
Speaker 2: To Michigan.

02:55:22
Speaker 1: We won the Natty in twenty eleven or whatever the year, words that they didn't.

02:55:28
Speaker 2: Prove we didn't. No, I get it.

02:55:30
Speaker 1: I understand the whole Michigan thing and people want to hate on it. I think it's funnier than anything else.

02:55:34
Speaker 2: I did laugh.

02:55:36
Speaker 1: Heyt that does suck. That State fan that is got a that is some bullshit. Whatever. Manch Mitch is an Ohio State fans alleged, Yeah, he didn't know. The de coordinator alleged, Yeah, so you haven't really done a deep dove on Michigan yet. You haven't looked into it.

02:55:59
Speaker 2: Not he did, degree of like going up there and watching them.

02:56:02
Speaker 1: Okay, but you've looked into them. You've looked into their enough threes. Yeah, like I mean, so if we threw up the schedule here, you'd have a good thought. Probably think I had him at eight and four.

02:56:11
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I took under eight and a half. I did take that.

02:56:14
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw a tweet.

02:56:15
Speaker 2: Ye I blocked you. But I feel like it's twenty twenty six. I look at this, You're gonna feel different, which I would if I were you. Two. I'm looking at them and saying it kind of like with the thing we were talking about a second ago with Arch. Anything above eight and a half wins. I get this year great, wonderful. If we go on a run, we go on a run. But I look at the way they're built with underwood. I am thinking twenty twenty six. I'm viewing this entire prism or season through the prism of twenty twenty six. So I think they're a year away in a lot of areas. That's what I'm saying. That's what the vible.

02:56:44
Speaker 1: Where do Where do you see them falling? Don't say Nebraska, but you see them losing Oklahoma? Oh, you you're gonna pick Nebraska.

02:56:51
Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, if you don't look at the mass clusters like USC and who else This Washington team sucked on the road last year. That's gonna be a sleeper team this year. That's one of the best quarterbacks you'll face this year. Keep scrolling Michigan State USC kind of as a sleeper, but I don't have.

02:57:07
Speaker 1: That USC at USC. Yeah, last year, enough data anytime the Big Ten had to travel.

02:57:17
Speaker 2: Going out west though, I don't know that was a classic game last year.

02:57:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the last one steal o.

02:57:24
Speaker 2: Higo State game. I mean I'd pick Ohio State right now, but I've picked them four years in the row. So yeah, to me, it's like, doesn't matter. Yeah, Hog States, it doesn't matter. I'll probably just keep picking them now out of principal.

02:57:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't change it because I keep any Michigan.

02:57:38
Speaker 2: Well, think about how dumb you look if you picked Ohio State four years in a row and then the year you picked Michigan at inverts So you just got to stay on one side.

02:57:45
Speaker 3: But you look at the it's not the most difficult schedule in the world.

02:57:47
Speaker 2: No, it's not a close games.

02:57:49
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Oklahoma, Nebraska are tough games. US he is a tough game.

02:57:53
Speaker 2: Washington.

02:57:54
Speaker 1: I think it's a gift back here, we got one, they got one. They come to Michigan.

02:57:58
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, just a random game on October fourth, Wisconsin, multiple years in under Luke Fickle, I'm shocked there where they are. See I I don't know a lot about Wisconsin. I don't have an identity exactly. You can't know. That's what I'm talking about.

02:58:11
Speaker 1: You are kind of saying they're like bad here, toughier coming to I think I took.

02:58:14
Speaker 2: Under five and a half wins on them. I think they're gonna be bad.

02:58:17
Speaker 1: So you think October four, they're just gonna sneak up on Michigan.

02:58:20
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying is it shouldn't be what I'm saying, Multiple years in under Luke Fickle, like questioning the identity of that team was the last place I thought I would be. But he tried to do something different.

02:58:31
Speaker 1: He did.

02:58:32
Speaker 2: People aren't talking about it. But like Lincoln Riley made a bad offensive or a defense coordinator higher when he first took over, Kelly did the same thing at LSU. They have since course corrected. Fickle did that offensively. He hired Phil Longo, and he tried to change what Wisconsin had been for one hundred years and it failed, and now they're trying to course correct and it's like, but you're doing that three years in, right, and that's not what you're supposed to be doing three years in. So I'm not saying no, that's not like an upset potential game. I'm just Wisconsin plays the toughest schedule in that league this year there there, I think they play one team in conference play that has worse odds than them. Every other eight of the nine Big Ten games they play are against teams with better odds than them, and they play BAM out of conference on the road in Tuscaloosa. So if they win five games this year, what are they doing?

02:59:21
Speaker 1: Right?

02:59:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah.

02:59:23
Speaker 3: I was surprised too with Fickle talks about the Cincinnati.

02:59:29
Speaker 2: That sneaky, not that game, but Illinois is a team As a usc goes there in like Week five, I think it's like one of the sneak games of the year, like Southern Cal. If they win that, when they're off to the races, they're undefeated when they play all they got on the road at Notre Dame after that, like Southern Cal's in the playoff picture. If they win that game. If they lose that game, it's probably the first of three or four losses again, gotcha, yea, yeah, USC at Illinois, I don't think the country is going to be talking about that. USC at Illinois and like Texas at Florida are two random, huge, huge games on the schedule around the same time that the people just start circling it because they're not typical rivalry games. They don't happen every year. Florida people aren't used to being a competitor. Illinois that people are not used for them to be in the picture. And they're both in the picture this year, and it's just those games are there, and you're gonna get to that week and you're gonna say, oh, this is a huge game. Yeah, I think it'll make or break USC season. It could make or break Texas the season. When they go into Gainsville, they will have already played Ohio State on the road. They go into Gainsville, they've got owe you the next week, and they still got a trip to Georgia later in the year, so New Texas has got It's not the toughest schedule in the league. All their tough ones are on the.

03:00:39
Speaker 1: Road, though, big boys schedule.

03:00:41
Speaker 3: I like it for a final question or Bud like, what's up?

03:00:44
Speaker 2: I said, one more before you do? Bud like question?

03:00:46
Speaker 1: Any relation to brock Bowers.

03:00:49
Speaker 2: DNA wise, I don't think so. However, you know there's more to that than just blood. Yeah, and so I feel a lot close to broad now than I did two three weeks ago. And you both got hair. You would't understand it. Side note, my beautiful wife piece of advice walking out the door this morning, this came out of her mouth. I kid you not. She goes, where are you going? I said, I'm going to do the bus and show. She said, don't try and upstage them. They have mustaches. I just looked at her, like I'm looking at you now.

03:01:29
Speaker 1: Did that make you think I should grow a mustache?

03:01:32
Speaker 2: It made me think you've never mentioned facial hair to me in my life. I didn't know that you were harboring this idea that like you're inferior if you're not walking around with it. But now it's not. I love you, I'll see you later, Like do you want me to cook to night? It's don't try and upstage them. They have mustaches. So for bron Bowers to be coming to me instead of you know, me going towards brockb It feels good. Yeah, welcome.

03:01:54
Speaker 3: I can open up a can of.

03:01:55
Speaker 1: Worms with a mustache.

03:01:56
Speaker 2: Thing. Know, I kind of want to see you with a mustache. I do too, No, I want to see, like, what's it look like?

03:02:02
Speaker 6: Sha you?

03:02:03
Speaker 2: Ever seen you?

03:02:03
Speaker 1: Look at you?

03:02:04
Speaker 2: Ever seen Joe Dirt? Yeah? Okay, so Joe Dirt. When he went on the radio show. The guy sat across from him and he said, wait a second, you're telling me your facial hair actually grows in on its own, all white trash.

03:02:13
Speaker 1: You like that?

03:02:14
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, that's kind of what's happening. It's a white trashy look. It's blonde. I think I need not great blonde. It's not great, so I just have never let it happen.

03:02:23
Speaker 3: I think we need it and.

03:02:23
Speaker 1: Nomber yeah, we need the mustache starting now.

03:02:26
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how important the charity would have to be to me for me to participate.

03:02:32
Speaker 3: What's your number?

03:02:34
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write it down for you, okay, yeah, off air, and then I'll show that on the locker room this week. It's eight figures.

03:02:42
Speaker 1: Oh ship, yeah, never mind, Well, your little blonde mustache just from N's CVS. Being made that thing darker.

03:02:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, every every road you're going down hypothetical, I've already gone down it fair enough.

03:02:54
Speaker 1: We'll figure out if you figure out the future that he puts in on it and if he loses it, yeah, look at that and be honest with you. One thing with the locker room, We're going to find out. There's always these bets and it always involves losing the top of your hair or facial hair.

03:03:08
Speaker 2: Yah, what happens.

03:03:09
Speaker 3: And it's always he nails that right for you.

03:03:11
Speaker 2: I'm never done. Me and brock Bowers were good. You bet something else for us?

03:03:15
Speaker 3: Bud light question. You know people would do anything for a nice cold bud light. What is something that Josh Pate would do anything for.

03:03:24
Speaker 2: I would love to be able to go to pre technological times and be able to watch like surveillance camera footage of stuff before cameras existed. You could watch dinosaurs. You could watch like the Declaration of Independence get signed. Like you, we live in a world now where anything that happened in the last what like seventy five to one hundred years, you've got photos of Like I've seen the Kennedy assassination. I've seen the moon landing, I think I have. I've seen the Challenger explosion, like all the big stuff nine to eleven, Like there's footage of that. You have to imagine what it looked like when the first white settlers came to America, What America looked like before that? What did what did it look like? Like I said, when dinosaurs roam the earth, you just get to watch cartoons of that or you watch like recreations of it, but you don't get to actually see what it looked like. There could have been a stegosaurus where this bus is right now on a Tuesday afternoon. I don't think they knew it was Tuesday. But like you're watching that stuff in prehistoric times, but you're actually getting to see it. If you could deliver that to me, I would, That's what I would.

03:04:31
Speaker 1: Do you do anything for?

03:04:33
Speaker 2: That's a great answer, he said, I would, because what would you dial up? Like I go to dinosaurs?

03:04:38
Speaker 1: You had me on dinosaurs. I probably want to see that media impact. Figure out what really happened there?

03:04:43
Speaker 6: Right?

03:04:43
Speaker 1: Did we decided as the meteor?

03:04:45
Speaker 3: Have we figured that out?

03:04:46
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not one hundred percent on it. I'm not one hundred percent on most things. This is how we find out and then the bad parties. You come back to the future and you try and convince people they don't believe you, right, can we get.

03:04:55
Speaker 1: The Last Supper? Like life slong life stream.

03:04:58
Speaker 2: Here's another one too. You kind of had a conspiracy.

03:05:00
Speaker 1: Have you heard the conspiracy of like the Nazis fleeting to South America? Yeah, I'd like to see that. Like where was Hitler at and his little bunker?

03:05:06
Speaker 3: Did he did?

03:05:07
Speaker 2: Or did you take that pill? So much stuff, I know, there's so much stuff about history.

03:05:11
Speaker 1: Pyramids, Yeah, pyramids, that's a good one. Just also, yeah, it's a blink stone hinge. Bigot walked the Earth a million air hurt? Did you so? I heard they might have found her plane in Antarctica?

03:05:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they say that like every two years. Yeah, but this is the most this is the real.

03:05:37
Speaker 1: I'm just delivering you a message that I've seen with my own eyes on the Instagram. But like they found a plane that was like buried into around the same year, into a clip side in Antarctica. See.

03:05:49
Speaker 2: I heard some some rumors that some terrible stuff could have happened to them. When they crashed.

03:05:54
Speaker 1: Just internet rumor, like talking about lower Yeah, like like desserted island they float upon, like.

03:06:00
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe don't die when you land, but maybe some people find you, you know that kind of stuff. I don't know. I wasn't there, Like I said, I don't have the footage, right, but and that's not that long ago. It just so happened. We didn't have cameras over the ocean, so we didn't see that. But if we go back to like thirteen hundred, go up out of the Dark Ages something like that in the Roman Empire, you get to see the entire Roman Empire. That'd be sick. Yeah.

03:06:25
Speaker 3: So Marcus Aurelia is dropping pods for US Weekly. Yeah yeah, what would be.

03:06:33
Speaker 1: What would be the one place you started?

03:06:35
Speaker 2: Dinosaurs? I think I would start at dinosaurs, yeah, and then I would just start going famous moments throughout history. How do you not how are you not fascinated? I haven't. Oh oh this gets me to another thing.

03:06:49
Speaker 3: So big dinosaur.

03:06:51
Speaker 2: I'm a big dinosaur guy. I'm a big storm chasing guy too. I would love to go back before meteorological records existed, because you know, like severe weather, huge hurricane, huge, droughts, huge snowstorms were happening forever as long as the earth has been here. So I always think about like Nashville, Tennessee. Right if you want to go and check out the biggest one day snowfall, you could do that. But the records only go back like one hundred years. So who's to say in January of fourteen hundred and eighty three there wasn't a three foot snowfall where we're sitting right now, Or who's to say there wasn't the equivalent of an e F five tornado that came through. Who's to say there wasn't like the strongest Cat five hurricane in history making landfall in Biloxi, Mississippi. That's a little more nerdish. Not as many people would be into that, but I'm into that.

03:07:33
Speaker 1: I love throughout this podcast, how many random cities and states you say, yeah, you got to drop it. It's fun. Yeah, it's a fun. It's a nationwide show chasing tornadoes.

03:07:41
Speaker 3: How many have you chased?

03:07:43
Speaker 2: I'm at thirteen, you're at thirteen. I've seen thirteen ten, you're fourteenth. Be with the boys. I've already spoken to someone about making this happen.

03:07:49
Speaker 1: Really okay, good because I think that would be This could be such a cut. Yes, imagine us in Oklahoma. There's still mourning the loss of Michigan and week Just.

03:08:04
Speaker 3: How real is the ambition for college football commissioner?

03:08:08
Speaker 2: It's real. I take it tomorrow. I'm equipped, I'm qualified. It's probably why I won't get the job. But I got really good ideas. I got really good ideas.

03:08:18
Speaker 1: What are three ideas implement right out of the gates.

03:08:22
Speaker 2: First thing is I would so all these people talking about private equity, I would try and harness private equity to compensate for all the money grabs. Let me give you an example. Georgia Tech plays Georgia every year. Georgia Tech is moving their home game against Georgia to Mercedes been Stadium this year because they can get twelve million more dollars out of it. You're taking away a home field rivalry moment for the sake of more money, because you need it, because you're in a new era. So I would love to get private money. And I would love to funnel and say, Georgia Tech keep your game at home, will subsidize it. I would love to harness private money that way. Private equity money that way. Second thing I would love to do is basically take control of conferences from a media rights perspective, and I would love to have a college football media rights deal instead of the SEC having their own, the Big Ten having their own. I would love look like the NFL broadcast rights deal of nineteen sixty one would have to be addressed here, but I mean I would be in the president's back pocket, so I get this taken care of. This is a MAGA podcast, we can talk about that. So I would love because first off, what happens right now is like Fox has very little incentive to talk about the SEC, ESPN has very little incentive to just talk about the Big Ten because they're not in business with each other a whole lot, which is very stupid because in the aggregate the game doesn't scale. Also, the playoff contract one network owns it instead of NBCCBS, Fox all having a piece of it, which means there's very little incentive for them to promote the playoff and promote the game moving towards the playoff because they don't have a cut of it. So I would do away with that. And I would also love to reconfigure things where conferences made sense to where Stanford is not playing a conference game at Wake Forest just for the sake of someone that you and you and me will never meet cash in a few more zeros on a paycheck. I would love for that to not matter anymore. I would also even in a pure dictatorship, like if I'm the commissioner and everything I say goes, if I'm a king of college football, I would have so many things that are popular vote decided. I would take my authority and I would say, I'm putting it to the side. We're deciding this by popular vote. I would just hold a national vote, just pure democracy on some things.

03:10:36
Speaker 3: And the whole promotional thing too. It's like, when was it last year? Was it like New Year's? Was it New Year's where it just felt like no one even knew that? Or was it the National Championship?

03:10:47
Speaker 2: It was both, it was both. I would also love to work with the NFL. Look, man, I got the NFL benefits a lot from college football from a marketing and development perspective. The NFL gets ready made assets handed to them on Draft night that have been developed on college football's dime. NFL hasn't had to pay a dime for the development piece, and they have been marketed on college Football's dime to where when you draft Taylor Lawan, I know about him because he played at Michigan. I know about him because I watched him start at left tackle for all these years you drafted, and but I already know who he is, So you don't have to tell me who he is, and you don't have to develop him to the degree that you have to in college. The NFL never has to fit the bill for that, and yet when it comes time to decide the broadcast schedule, that's the one area where I really wish the NFL would work with college a little bit to make sure like college football's postseason isn't a good spot. And instead it feels like you have to fight the NFL on every bit of that. So that's probably because people running college football have no clue how to work with the NFL. I think I do a better job working with the NFL.

03:11:50
Speaker 1: I love it start the playoffs right after a championship week, I think, so, yeah, I have to. Yeah, I think, so keep that, just keep it moving. I think so that gap of twenty eight thirty.

03:11:59
Speaker 2: Days needed crazy not needed. Yeah, we got a roll.

03:12:03
Speaker 1: Yeah on the eighteen playoff. No go above twelve.

03:12:09
Speaker 2: I'd leave it, dude, I'd go smaller than twelve, but I'm keeping it at twelve. I think they've just just poison pilled you. They just put an Overton window kind of mechanism out there. It's like if I'm telling you, well, we're going to vacation, and you say where we going and say we're going to Saint Louis for an entire week. You say, why can't we go to the Caribbean, Like why can't we go to a beach somewhere? And I say, all right, we're going to Russia. You say no, no, no, And I said, all right, Saint Louis. Then okay, Well, all of a sudden, you're fine with Saint Louis. The Big ten wants the sixteen team playoff. Not many people want it, so their marketing and PR folks just said they're stupid. Just flow a twenty eighteen proposal out there. They'll hate that so much all of a sudden, sixteen won't sound so bad. That's all they're doing. That's all they're doing, and.

03:12:49
Speaker 1: So that ball illuminati type shit. I don't like the bye weeks.

03:12:53
Speaker 2: I actually don't either.

03:12:54
Speaker 1: I don't like the bibus, so I feel like it would be sixteen or if you go below twelve eight.

03:12:59
Speaker 2: I don't like haven at larges. If you're gonna have the play in Saturday, like the whole conference playing Saturday. If you're having those playing games, I love them. I don't want a safety net under it. I don't want you to be a four seed who loses but knows oh I can get in anyway. Like if you're gonna have play in games at the conference level, they need to really be do or die playing games. So however we can figure it, I hope it's configured that way. We you, yes, the commissioner with with voters helping.

03:13:24
Speaker 1: You, We'll help you out. We'll be we'll be.

03:13:27
Speaker 2: I didn't say every vote counts the same super vote, super delegates.

03:13:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, because we do, we do have this.

03:13:35
Speaker 2: That's right.

03:13:36
Speaker 3: We're part of the supremacy. I don't know if that's safe to say at this point.

03:13:39
Speaker 7: It's not.

03:13:39
Speaker 3: You can't just three white guys up here. We are part of the supremacy. Josh Pate. It's gonna be a hell of a year, a hell of a season. Maybe coming on Busting with the Boys. Pleasure the Locker Room drops Wednesday night. Subscribe big hugs, tiny kisses, we love you, I love you.

03:13:56
Speaker 2: Photo.

03:13:57
Speaker 3: Hell of an episode.

03:14:00
Speaker 2: It's good. How long have we gone?

03:14:01
Speaker 1: Like? Two hours, two