Hour 2: NBA Tanking Management & Tua Swaps

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know from time to time it's not the worst thing in the world. No, not for them. So from from that over to this, the NBA is back, all right. The quote unquote second half of the regular season started last night, got underway with some NBA action around the league. We mentioned Amazon Prime at a couple of games. You had the Epistons and the Knicks, Celtics and the Warriors, and so post All Star Break, the NBA's back, and the NBA cannot help but find themselves in the midst of another problem. They try and figure out and they try and fix. I just watch it and go. None of it matters in the regular season, So what's the point. And if we're being honest, the first round, maybe the second round doesn't matter either.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you got to dig deeper into that for me, because why doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Matter because it's a different season everybody ramps up for the postseason, and you're either trying to get to the draft or you're trying to set yourself up for the postseason because everybody is judged based on the postseason performance.

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Speaker 3: The regular season is cool.

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Speaker 1: But in order to get to the postseason, you have to be successful enough in the regular season. Cool, it does matter to it.

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Speaker 2: Rea, And there's bad games throughout the course of the regular season, there's players that aren't participating. They can throw whatever awards they want as part of the reason for you to play. And then we get to the postseason and we realize, oh, we got to sit through seven of these potentially just to get to the conference finals and the NBA Finals. There's about four teams that can win a title, and it's most likely going to be Okay, See, that's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's this year and looking at in a vacuum. But I guess my point is, like, what's the difference between tanking and then game management or load management.

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Speaker 3: You're still trying to win. If it's load management.

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Speaker 4: If you're tanking your purposely, this would be my interpretation of it, you're purposely trying to lose. So if I'm pulling a guy, and how are you doing that by pulling my better players out of the game.

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Speaker 1: And then if you're doing load management, who's not playing the game? Your better players are being pulled out of a game. But if it's load management, you're pulling them out of the game with a strategy of saying, I'm trying to preserve them for the long haul of a long season, so I want them to have as much in the tank as they possibly can can have still be competitive to make the postseason, and then them have enough.

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Speaker 4: Gas to be able to get through the postseason to the championship. Whereas I think tanking, you're pulling them out with the intentions of of losing, Like we want to lose, that's why we're pulling our better players out. And in fact, you might even be pulling them out to get rid of those players too. That's a part of NBA politics as well. They'll pull you out and.

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Speaker 1: Let's like it on tangent. Let's let's stay on this stuck. Okay. So here's here's where I would say. What's interesting about that is does load management start at the beginning of the season. If you have this long term thought. If it's a long season, we've got to protect our best players. Do they start looking into load management at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, depending on how old that player is. Andy Helments, I think it's it's all, it's it audit is yes.

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Speaker 1: The answer is a yes. And the reason why bring this up is because I think one of the issues with the NBA right now is it's a league that has gotten to the point where someone like Jonas will say the regular season is meaningless because nothing matters to you get to the playoffs. And that's fair. There's a lot of sports leagues that play a lot of games. Baseball, playoff baseball, even hockey, playoff hockey phenomenal, right, phenomenal regular season. All right, they have their their nights, but it's good and bad. But the truth of the matter is when you have such a long playoff series outside of seating for the playoffs, it takes away from what the regular season is. I think every single professional sports league battles this. So to me, when I'm looking at the NBA issues and I think there's more than just the tanking or game management, I look at it and say, game management starts at the beginning of the season or load management. Excuse me, because you're looking at the game management. That's a new term. I like it, But you're looking at it for the extent of the season. Now, if you want to say, hey, we're tanking, well, then to me, it's an entirely different strategy than load management. Taking is like you're getting rid of your best players. So when you're talking about, hey, we're trying to set our best guys for load management and tanking, they ain't there. Like you're moving on, you're clearing cap space, you're trying to accumulate draft picks, because that's ultimately your capital to either go rebuild by getting a star player and building up that roster again, or drafting the future and finding a player like Cooper Flag or Darren Patterson whoever is in this outstanding freshman class in college basketball. Now, Like that's how you'd go about doing it. So when I look at like Adam Silver making tanking this big issue, I actually feel like he's missed again because this isn't the issue with the NBA. Like how many viral things have you seen where we watch guys travel constantly and you're like, why don't they call it, like, why can't they call the game as it's supposed to be called nowadays, Like you have officiating issues, You've got issues with allowing super teams to happen amongst these which is plagued and created less parody in the league. More than anything else, the fact that you're allowing like the multiple all stars, these power you know, teams to get together, Like that's been what's really taking place with the past couple of decades. That's changed the parody and competitiveness. All the stars aren't spread out there together so again, and these are things that like I don't know that you're going to be able to fix in one off season, but trying to get teams away from tanking, I actually feel like I kind of sided with Mark Cuban on this. And I don't know if you guys talked about some of the quotes, Yeah, we did so, and then if you want to review it again, we can talk about this. But but here's why I sided with them a little bit. Is if if you're a team that decides the tank, who ultimately suffers the consequences, well the fans to a degree, but more the team, they're the ones who lose revenue. They're the ones who lose money.

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Speaker 4: But they stink exactly what you're tanking because they stink, so you're already they're already suffering, right, the team is already suffering.

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Speaker 1: They tank. You could look at it in two ways. I would actually say that if you stink, then you're kind of already there. You don't need a tank because you already stink. Teams that tank are teams that are are purgatory. They're not one of the top teams that win a championship, but they're not one of the worst either, because they're already in the mix for getting a lottery pick and trying to rebuild. So they're actually more of a team that's in the middle of the league, and they tank so they get back down to the bottom so they can get some of those lottery picks, or they can put themselves in a position to be able to clear cap space and build it back up. But ultimately, the team that suffers the most is the team that's tanking, like they're taking that on Like I kind of look at it this way, think about real estate, and actually, I'll go close to home for you guys. Obviously, there was the fires on the Pacific Palisades, Right, Yeah, have some of those houses been rebuilt? Oh god, no, no, okay, but why have they not been rebuilt? What's so hard to obtain in California permitting? It's a form of regulation. What Adam Silver's doing, in my mind, is he's actually making it harder for these teams that need to rebuild and want to try to do a quick flip. He's making it harder by creating more regulation around it. So look, I understand people may not agree with this, and again it doesn't always have the best interests of the fan of mine for that season, but long term it does. And I think if you look at the essence of what Mark Cuban's actually saying is he's bringing up a really good point. How many people are priced out now from going to games because everything's gotten so damn expensive. And that's the reality of just what it is. I mean, by by the way, it's not just the NBA. I mean, go look at World Cup tickets for the summer. Yeah, my goodness. That's that's the part of Cuban's Twitter rant, if you want to call it that, that I totally agree with. Is the cost for these families to try and go to games to buy merchandise.

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Speaker 3: All that's it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And it it feels like it's it. And look, I'll say this about like going to the Falcons games, and I think we did a report on this what Arthur Blank was hoping to do, and I think I don't know if LeVar you were there for the show, we were talking about how they've actually kept concession prices low for a lot of the families and fans who want to go to Falcons games. You know, the ticket prices are ticket prices, but it's a great atmosphere. Like chance to call a game this year and I told you guys, it was like it was live like that. It was a wild it was a wild like environment. It was awesome. Now the Falcons did win, but like at the end of the day, it was a great experience. Like the game obviously ended up being, you know, a fun game to watch, was kind of close and all that, but just I'm thinking to myself, they had a fun time, like even though their team then they did a fun time. And so there are some teams and franchises that I think do it well. But I think Mark Cuban's trying to point out something that to me has as much to do with it as anything else, and that's the fan experience. It's been taken away, and I think there is a reality to when I was a young kid growing up Washington, Cleveland Calves. Did I go up saying, Oh, it's the Calves They're going to beat the Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan, Hell No, But I wanted to go see them try. They were close, but they were close, and look, that was part of it, Like you were seeing a team that was competitive that almost got there but didn't quite get there. But I would also say this, like, if you take away a team's ability to make that decision, ultimate is gonna hurt them. In Tank, did the Cleveland Cavs ever get Lebron James? I mean Luca basically got to the Mavericks because Cuban admitted that was a strategy to implement it. I just I feel like, if this is the issue that you really want to harp on, if you're Adam Silver in the NBA, you're kind of missing it. In my opinion, man, issue with your league.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why it's the fan and I'm gonna stay I'm gonna stay true to that. I think the fans suffer when a team tanks. That's who suffers, because it is about the fan experience. Pro sports sports in general are our geared towards catering to the family, and when you tank, and and and the Cleveland cavid Leers, that's a great example because this was a team that was that they had talent. I mean they had what Elo was on that team.

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Speaker 2: Was on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was also years that you're not remembering where they weren't good. Well they I get that, it's Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: But with that being said, but with that being said, again, if a team is trying to be competitive, as a fan, you could still get behind that. You can boo, you could be upset, but you could still say they came out and they tried when you're talking about tanking.

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Speaker 1: But no, no, be hold on, even the guys if they're like this is why this argument never works with the NFL. Do the players that are there weeks sixteen, seventeen eighteen, if the starters aren't in, are those backups going in there saying well, I'm going to land today. They would be starting if they weren't. If they weren't. No, no, But that's not the point. If you're talking about effort, but guys doing all they can, I mean have to, Yeah, but that's their livelihood. That's not my focus. My focus is I'm going to play the best players to have the best opportunity to try to win. If those players are available and they're not playing, that's tanking. And if you're you have your best players available then for instance, but that's tanking slash. You could call it load management, whatever you want. And then look again, I like a games. It depends on it depends on what your your thought process is. If you're not saying, god, I'm not saying it's ethical, hear me out. I brought up the Pacific paliss and the fires on lot for this reason. There's people who want to build back their home. They want to do it now. They probably have the means and capability to do it now, but they're not able to so they can't ramp up and start that building process to move back into their home to be able to you know, start that new life again or build that new team again, because of overregulation. And that's where I feel like you're getting out a little bit. Here is it's getting so nuanced. I mean, would you just let five bullet points of different ways that they're trying to try to curtail tanking.

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Speaker 2: I think I think this is a clear sign that Adam Silver and the NBA care more about the TV partners and the gambling partners than they do the fans. Because if you cared about the fans the way that you did, yeah, there would be some sort of an edict around the league to be like, hey man, make it more affordable for fans, make it more affordable to this. A lot of this was pushed on because they're paranoia about gambling and players take you know, like what this guy's resting gambling partners. I wonder if this is on the up and up. I think that this is all about the TV revenue and the gambling revenue. I think the fans are third in this in this order, which they should be number one exactly. That's the bottom line. It's a consumer driven industry.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna say some but you're not gonna like it that the fans aren't what pays the bills. It's the TV media rights.

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Speaker 4: H but TV rights deals are based off of how many people are viewing those those commercials exactly. If you take away the fan, the TV rights don't even matter like that.

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Speaker 1: There's two there's two different experiences because you can say that, right, the stadiums can be empty, but if people still watch, there's still TV media rights deals.

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Speaker 4: Well, and first stadium is ticket sales concession.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, but people people are still watching. That's why the TV media rights deals are what they are. And by the way, let me go a step further. What about leagues like the w NBA.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're supplemented by by the by the NBA.

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Speaker 1: There's subst there's subset of the NBA, but there's also they're still going for extreme value as far as the franchise rights, and they still have TV media rights deel that if you look at the economics of it, they would say, well, they're not obviously to the viewership of the NBA, but someone's watching, and there's clearly not as many people there in person as there is watching on TV. It's so based off I understand you want the fans to be like first and all this, but that's not how these guys are looking at They're looking at like a business.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between the fan that wants to go to the game and the fan who wants to watch at home.

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Speaker 1: In the sense, by the way, if you're taking you have that choice. You don't have to buy the ticket if you know the team's tank and which is which is not a decision that you make again like it happens to the season or you know, going into the seat. Like the Browns when they adopted that strategy, I don't think anyone didn't think that they weren't like they were going to be competitive, like they openly kind of admitted like what they were kind of doing.

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Speaker 2: I just think that the product at home has gotten so good that why would you want to go to get Like there was a story we did about a guy who went to every single NFL stadium this year. He watched a bunch of these games, went to every single stadium, and my big question was why, Because there's still something connected to an end person experience. I totally get it, but I think that the number of people who fill up a stadium NBA, for example, what eighteen thousand on a good night, on a really good night at an NBA game, eighteen thousand if you're up to the rafters. There's a lot more people to tune in and out of that game on TV if it's on team and I think that I think that Adams Silver with with the TV partnerships, with the gambling paranoia. I think he looks at that is we'll address the fans later and hope they stick around. We got to make sure that things are right on the TV side and present a better product because more of those people are watching at home.

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Speaker 1: It's just too good now by the way, the players will adapt to this, you know, because this isn't This is also isn't like a singular issue that just the the NBA side is trying to figure out and fix with the teams, because load management is a portion of it being players choice too. I mean, how many NBA players have we heard about who want to be you know, traded or go to another team because their team held them out of games for load management like the Max Crosby situation in Las Vegas. Have we heard about an NBA player who was frustrated about the team shutting them down for load management?

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Speaker 2: No, that guy would sign an extension. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think guys are.

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Speaker 4: I do think guys are frustrated when they get load man management, because that's a way of saying, we don't want this player, and we don't want to play this player. Load management and in some cases is a reference to we're not going to play you. We're trying to move you, and they'll sit you until they're able to move you. That is true, that's very What would you call okay? What would very true? What would you call Lebron this year? Probably load management because he's very he's very old, very old.

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Speaker 1: Elements of that, but there's elements of that with all Stars.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 4: That's like, that's example, because.

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Speaker 3: In LA that's that's okay. I take that example.

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Speaker 1: There's other examples of load management for a for a lot longer than looking at one singular person that's an outlier Lebrod, you're combining the two. If you're saying that they want to sit him out to move him, that's tanking. That's not load management. That's not necessarily tanking.

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Speaker 3: Though, I like, it's not that black and white.

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Speaker 2: You're your nurturing tone with Lebron, like he's very old, he's old.

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Speaker 1: He is It's like it's like a dog.

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Speaker 3: That is what it is.

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Speaker 4: Man I didn't say like a dog, but he is very old and load management could go a long way if you're trying to make it to the playoffs and him have enough guests.

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Speaker 3: But there are.

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Speaker 1: Player there's a lot of guys necessarily the reason why they do load management with all these players, and it's either it's not. If you sit out a guy to move him, then clearly you're not necessarily tanking, but you're not trying to plan because you're trying to rebuild.

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Speaker 4: That's well, you're not playing him because you don't want to play him because for whatever reason that could be disagreement between away coach and player or GM player or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Player has complete control over whether or not they want to play. Like if someone came to you and said you're not playing it for load management, the player can be like, f off, I'm gonna go play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they might not play them. They're not going to play them. He's not going to go into the game. It's not off, I'm going into the game.

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Speaker 1: You can't go into the game. They got to put you in the game. They're not going in the game. Okay, then here's what you do. He'd follow grievance with with his union to the NBA and said they have to play them. I'm healthy. I'm telling you about want to play. They don't have to play them. You can say they don't have to, but there would be a grievance file if that was the case. You can't force a player who's on the roster he's healthy, to not play, like I'm saying. Look, management, they're in street clothes.

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Speaker 4: You have there a lot of homies behind the scenes that know a lot about a lot of things. Ask them about this topic. That is not true what you're saying. I mean, yeah, sure they can, they can foul a grievance, but they do not have to play a player. If they decide that they're going to move on from a player, I don't care how big his name is, they will sit him out. They will sit that man out, and that sports that.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, LeVar, That's exactly what I'm talking about with Max Crosby and the Raiders. He wanted to play. They shut him down, They sat him out.

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Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, And we don't we still don't know.

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Speaker 1: How many players have we heard in the NBA who've been seeking a trade and made a big deal about orchestra.

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Speaker 4: Because it's just very normalized. So you're not going to hear it as much because it's a normalized practice within that industry.

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Speaker 3: That's all I mean.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. It is what it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't make the rules, not me that does it, but I do know that for certain that that is how things are handled at them in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'd say.

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Speaker 3: At the top of your screen.

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Speaker 2: So there was a report out yesterday that I believe it was the Twitter account or x account, NFL RUMs, NFL rumors, and so, for whatever this is worth, apparently to a tugue of Iloa is intrigued by the Arizona Cardinals, which is like the perfect headline this time of year in the NFL. And I was thinking about this just to make things easier for everybody, all right, just so we can just like move along with our lives. Why don't the Dolphins and Cardinals just swap quarterbacks, Like let's just save everybody the trouble, like you know, the money, the different like figure out a way to make that work. It's the same situation, Like it's basically the same guy, Like, let's just switch switch quarterbacks here.

00:24:44
Speaker 3: And let's make that happen.

00:24:45
Speaker 2: And you know what, you know, I think about that because the drama that happened with the Major League Baseball Players Association where Tony Clark, the executive director, was given the boot I had to resign because they found out that he had hired his sister in law and twenty twenty three and they were having an inappropriate relationship. And I'm looking at it, going, oh, on the surface, that seems really bad. And then Bob Nightingale, who covers Major League Baseball, was on the Blowtorch and five seventy LA Sports with Petrous Money this week and he said, yeah, you know, it's tough to tell him apart. Well, if that's the case, I mean, what are we doing here, Like, let's I'm just telling you. So, if it's tough to tell the difference between Tua and Kyler Murray from a financial standpoint and a situational standpoint, why don't we just swap it out and everybody moves on with their lives and we can focus on the draft and other offseason.

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Speaker 1: How does that make the situation better for Arizona.

00:25:38
Speaker 3: It doesn't. Miami, it doesn't. You never know, maybe they get along better.

00:25:44
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like there was a story back in the day, the Yankee swapped wives back in the day, like two guys swap and listen, one of them went sideways and he had a problem. The other one they lived happily every after.

00:25:54
Speaker 1: So you never know. Maybe to it.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: Being intrigued by Arizona, he says, you know what, that brings me to a place that that I feel like I can I can work with.

00:26:04
Speaker 3: And maybe Kyler.

00:26:04
Speaker 2: Murray looks at Miami and he goes, all right, let's give this a spin. I just think at some point, at some point, we got to get to the bottom of this stuff. And I find it hard to believe the Dolphins are just going to cut ties and swallow ninety nine million dollars in dead cap money, which has been rumored.

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Speaker 1: No one said they're going to They could easily hold on to to it for this season, you know, start that process of rebuilding, new coach, new general manager, and move forward. There's no reason like Arizona's looking at Miami like, oh wish we had those problems, Let's go ahead and bring that guy in here. Why not? That's not what they want.

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Speaker 4: They're both available for a reason. I think they've had an opportunity in a time to show that they can play football.

00:26:53
Speaker 3: I think, and.

00:26:55
Speaker 4: In proper circumstances situations, you could probably justify saying that both of them could be good again. But I would not. I would had my bets on that, and I would not take that type of a chance or that type of a risk. The swap sounds crazy. For one that that sounds pretty crazy. But I mean, hey, I just don't see at this point in time that being that being a sensible move. I don't Kyler Murray could potentially make your team a better team.

00:27:37
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

00:27:38
Speaker 1: I don't.

00:27:38
Speaker 4: I don't see it being feasible for for that to be a reasonable swap or extinc.

00:27:44
Speaker 2: All Right, so let me ask you as this say, and if you had to guess right now, serious, Okay, this is.

00:27:53
Speaker 1: Serious.

00:27:53
Speaker 2: I am being serious in this regard. Okay, if you had to put a number on the win total next year for the Dolphins and the Cardinals, what would it be like you had to put it just and Obviously we don't know the numbers as of yet.

00:28:06
Speaker 1: Because I'll say over under set at five.

00:28:09
Speaker 2: And a half, okay for both teams.

00:28:12
Speaker 1: Sure, what does it matter?

00:28:13
Speaker 3: Now?

00:28:13
Speaker 2: If you put Kyler on the Dolphins and on the cart nothing doesn't change.

00:28:19
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying doesn't change.

00:28:20
Speaker 1: So what are we doing? But that mean, yeah, so why do it? And look at it from this standpoint? You just mentioned the dead cap hit that Miami would have to take on if they moved on from to it, right, ninety nine million? Yeah, with post tune one designation, you get spread that out over the course the next two years, so you can kind of cut that in half. But why if you're Arizona do you want to bring that on? I mean, you'd be taking on a contract that's ninety nine and then thirty one after so like, oh great, we get to go pay a guy fifty some of whatever the cap it is for this upcoming season fifty plus million. Now we don't necessarily believe in just so what so we can help Miami with their problems? I mean, the only way that anything would make sense is an exchange for draft picks, and that's essentially what you'd be doing. You'd be taking on a player, his contract, his salary to buy draft picks. That's what would be about.

00:29:19
Speaker 2: I think we were talking about this last week on the show, and we agreed that what would make the most sense from a financial standpoint and where they're at and what's available in the draft and what's out there, is if they, you know, both guys stayed where they're at, and we give this another year, and then if you decide to move on, you decide to move on, and it's a better draft class and all that stuffe then maybe there's more options out there. But everybody keeps saying that's not happening. It's over. That's not happening, it's over. We talked to Albert Breer last week when his phone worked, and everyone keeps saying that's not happening.

00:29:54
Speaker 1: It's over.

00:29:55
Speaker 2: The Dolphins are done with Tua Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals are done. The thing that makes the most sense is for them to not be done, Like financially doesn't make sense for them to do that unless this is the NFL's version of tanking, and the Dolphins and Cardinals are like, we want one of those guys in the draft, whether it's CJ. Carr, Dante Moore, you know, Arch Manning, whoever next year. And this is our version of tanking. So we need to rid ourselves of anybody that's going to give us a better chance to win.

00:30:20
Speaker 4: Why can't they just be moving on, new coaching staff, new new beginning. Why can't it just be moving on?

00:30:27
Speaker 2: Why does it have to be a million dollars if they cut them but it has not worked out them?

00:30:34
Speaker 3: But it hasn't worked out.

00:30:35
Speaker 1: I mean I get that it's ninety nine million dollars, but it hasn't worked out. So you've gone to You've gone to a new a new regime. You've gone to a new regime. Why why is it such a problem to think that they can't If they can't go to different direction, A would a different coach, different GM like that, that can't work. I know it's a lot of money, but why do it just to do it? That's my point, Like, why are you doing it just to do it? I don't get that. I think we talked about this. Maybe we could go to the league now will move on from a head coach rather quick and not to play into your hypothetical scenario, but is it and the best interest of either quarterback and either team If they do a swap like this, both quarterbacks and new systems, new environments, new personnel around them, you think either of them are going to flourish. There's a better chance that Tua staying through this year as a Dolphin and Kyler staying in Arizona through this year as well would both perform better having at least more continuity to being in the same place organization and personnel that they're throwing to. If you want to start over all again with both of them, like, that's not a winning formula for me. So if I'm a new head coach, I don't know that I'm looking at that saying, especially talking to my owner, saying like, yeah, this is you know, this is what's in the best interest of the Dolphins or Cardinals moving forward, or for me as a head coach. I think you'd want to have a veteran guy that, granted maybe you don't necessarily believe in, make him prove you wrong or make him prove you right, you know, however you feel about it. But financially, they are getting to a point where they're hamstrung. And even if they do want to start over. If you're saying, oh, they're gonna tank, okay, like you know, this would be an instance of that, Like the NFL hasn't put in any protective measures. And by the way, is that not the faster way. If the Dolphins went three and fourteen next season or two and fifteen and they have the number one overall pick and they have their pick of Dante Moore, CJ. Carr, whoever, archpanning, it's probably the fastest way to turn things around. It's gonna be hard on the books, but now you've got a rookie number one overall pick who's gonna be relati the cheap for the next three or four years. So not to like tie back in the tanking conversation with the NBA, but that's the fastest way to solve the issue if you do want to move on and take that cap hit, do a post June one designation and make it not as burdensome if you're Miami. A little different circumstances for Arizona, But like I look at this and just say, I don't know why they wouldn't want to see this through, at least for this season for both players in both scenarios to get to a better financial spot. I mean, even with them, it's not like they still couldn't potentially be in contention for a top pick.

00:33:35
Speaker 4: And it's already been discussed with Pete Prisco that you're not going to get it through free agency. You're not going to find a guy that's going to make your team much better than the two that you have. So it's like, is your alternative of what you're doing going to make you better in the short term or are you looking at it being a long term situation. If it's a long term, then you should give them another go. Because of how much money you got to pay, how much money you got to eat. Nobody's going to take that nut and crack it. Nobody's that No other team is going to take those financial nuts and be like, Yeah, we can bring this guy in and he's going to be a difference maker for our team. I mean, Kyler Murray may be a tab bit intriguing, but you got to think that the injury is connected to to what Tua has had in the past, would suggest that that isn't the way to go.

00:34:28
Speaker 1: Can I quickly ask this, like, how many teams are looking for a new quarterback. Like if you had to put up a list, I mean Las Vegas draft number one overall, so they'll probably take Mendoza. They've got their guy. The rest of the AFC West has their quarterbacks. The AFC South, the only one you'd say would be in question is Daniel Jones coming off an injury in Indianapolis. The rest have their quarterbacks. Minnesota, AFC North, same thing, but Raiders, Raiders, Jets, Minnesota is the three that would come to my mind right off the top of my head. Right but the Jets and then the Jets are legitimate one. Raiders will solve that with the first overall pick, But then you start looking at the rest of them. Minnesota that's a question mark. Well the Giants maybe you feel like they're good for now, but could be a question mark. But you start going through the league. I just I'm not even sure how many trade partners there are for Kyler too, unless Miami or Arizona's have to pay a lot of that contract again, probably in exchange for draft capital for one of those teams. Like, there's just not that many open spots right now for quarterbacks.

00:35:28
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00:36:01
Speaker 4: This is cubes favorite uh favorite artists big time.

00:36:09
Speaker 1: Alright, First off, you know who mine is? Oh yeah, oh yeah, you you were going with uh uh a yankee? Oh my bad, my bad? What is that?

00:36:21
Speaker 3: How you say it again?

00:36:22
Speaker 1: Well dotty Yankee? Yeah, there you go, all right, Dotty Yankee?

00:36:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, shit right in at home.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: I'm so bad with the accents though, I'm like the worst person to go anywhere where someone's got an accent. I don't know why, I just I can't understand it. Like my my oldest daughter, my in laws are from Boston, so they've you know, pocky kajava. Yeah, like they talk like that, and so my oldest daughter has some words she says that sound like she's from Boston. Really yeah, pretty so we well, And the funny thing was, I remember when she was in preschool they talked is They're like, oh, we think she has a hard time pronouncing her art. And I said, well, have you met my in laws? Like they're like, oh, they're like that. I was like, yeah, that's their grandparents. I said, they're from Boston, so they know. I was like, that might be what you're catching on. She's like, oh, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

00:37:13
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, I don't know.

00:37:17
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I was gonna would be offensive.

00:37:20
Speaker 3: Never mind, I'll just leave that alone.

00:37:21
Speaker 2: I was gonna try and make a comp to ah oh no to my son, but the wouldn't go well, but it would fit with the song we came back with. Coming up top of next that we're here on the Dan Patrick Show, we do have an update. We've got an update on a major event that is about to take place here a short time from now, so we'll get into that for you here. Also check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just search two pros FSR on YouTube. Begin that's two pros FSR. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong. But check out our new channel on YouTube. Begin just search two pros FSR and subscribe quickly. Teddy Bridgewater, you guys remember when he got popped last year because he was giving away money to his players when he was coaching high football. So the Florida Senate passed the Teddy Bridgewater Act bill that would allow middle and high school head coaches to use up to fifteen thousand dollars of their own funds to support students.

00:38:17
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: Transportation and Recovery Service loved that nice little happy conclusion to what happened with Teddy Bridgewater. Oh right, because he was like paying for ubers, So the kids.

00:38:29
Speaker 3: Come, hold man, this playing paying for food?

00:38:32
Speaker 1: Been there? Good God?

00:38:35
Speaker 4: But whoever decided to do that and put that in legislation, good for you.

00:38:39
Speaker 3: That should be in every state. By the way.

00:38:42
Speaker 2: Brady went, Brady wanted him suspended for four games students.

00:38:47
Speaker 1: I don't know why do you do that.

00:38:49
Speaker 2: I don't know why you wanted it.

00:38:51
Speaker 1: It's a good guy trying to help the kids. Why did you do this, Jan you knew. First off, I've helped out coach in South Florida. None of the coaches get paid enough. They didn't. Bigger budgets need bigger everything.

00:39:01
Speaker 4: Then you got to pay out money to be able to do CPR, all these certifications, so they're making money off of you as as coaches.

00:39:10
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: Well, Jonas would glidly let anyone do CPR on him. That's true.

00:39:15
Speaker 2: Mouth the mouth, only with my hands, mind my back though funky breath, chitling breath,