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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks.

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Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi, I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered Play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode. I am answering a question from Christina in Vermont

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and her question is about the initial

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visit with a child first session in the playroom

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and the assessment process.

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And that first intake session, we don't typically call it intake, but

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that first session with a child, some questions around there.

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So Christina in Vermont,

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thank you so much for reaching out and to all the rest of you in Vermont.

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Hello,

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all of my New Englanders.

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Ok.

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So her email in part says I'm continually amazed at

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the different ways kids come and play in the playroom.

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Me too.

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My question is about an intake assessment.

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I feel like I remember you talking about house tree person.

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I do that in our first session and invite children to

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create something in the sand tray for the first intake meeting.

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I let them know the first time is the only time I will

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ask some specific questions and invite them to play something that I ask.

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But I'm able to gather so much from these two initial assessments.

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I was wondering if you could speak more

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to intake assessment with the child a million.

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thank yous for all your work and teaching.

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Ok. So I have talked about house tree person in the past.

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I know in the Collective there's some resources posted about that as well.

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But I think, let me just kind of hit broad overview for maybe those of you who are new

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and maybe who are not as familiar with house tree person.

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I know in the coaching groups, we get into it pretty deeply.

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But for those of you that may not be familiar with it,

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I just wanna hit some highlights for you.

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And I think practically speaking,

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it's more important that I talk about how the first session is conducted.

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I think that will serve a lot of you as

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well if you want to start doing house tree person,

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for example.

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So number one,

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let's start with if you're going to do house tree person

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and if you have no idea what I'm talking about,

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sorry,

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it's a drawing assessment where you have a child, draw a house, a tree and a person.

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And then there are some questions that are associated with it.

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We at our center also do kinetic family drawing. So we add that on.

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So the child actually does four drawings in the first

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appointment.

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So they draw a house, they draw a tree,

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they draw a person and a picture of their family doing something together.

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So that's HTP KFD. That's how we abbreviate that at the center.

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But if you're going to do any kind of assessment like that,

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it has to be the first session and the first session only,

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in other words,

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if you're right in the middle of working with a

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child and you hear this episode and you think,

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oh wow, that would have been really interesting. I would love to do that with kids.

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Let me start doing that.

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You have to start with new kids, not existing kids. And what I mean by that is

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if you've already made it clear that the child

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is in charge and this is a child-centered playroom

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and you never direct the child in any way, shape or form.

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You can't do that on week 12 or week 19 or whatever other week you

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might be on because it's a huge deviation from the CCPT model.

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The only way that it works is if it's the first session

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because at that point, you can say

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because this is our first session

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and then you talk through the things that are going to happen on that first visit

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and I'll walk you through the language of that in just a moment.

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But I just wanted to be really clear.

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Please do not try to implement any kind

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of assessments midway through working with a child.

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If the precedent has already been set, that you're a child-centered play therapist

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and I'm assuming you are if you're listening to this. So I think that's a given, but

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we don't want to deviate from CCPT is what I'm trying to say.

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Why I think house tree person and the kinetic family drawing are

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so valuable and so helpful is that it gives you a snapshot

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and it gives you some insight

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on that very first visit. That child is a stranger to you

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when they walk through that door

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and when you have them draw those four drawings and you have them answer questions.

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It's like giving you a little Polaroid

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of exactly where they are

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when they start treatment

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and it is incredible what you gain from that. So

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we use it as a tool.

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Here's my disclaimer.

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We don't ever need

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to do any kind of assessment

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for CCPT to be effective.

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We don't need to know what's going on with the child.

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We don't need a snapshot, we don't need a Polaroid.

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We need nothing but the child's name.

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So I just want to be very clear,

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this is not something that you need to do or should do or have to do.

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This is something we've chosen to do and I'll be very transparent.

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It's really more for parents than for us.

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What I mean by that is while I do gain insight from it when they're drawing my,

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my little flags and bells are going off in my head like, oh boy, OK. That's anxiety.

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Oh boy, that's guardedness. Oh OK. There's trauma.

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So I'm getting perspective and awareness while they're

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drawing and while they're answering the questions.

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So I am given more perspective and objectivity about what the

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child is dealing with when they walk through that door.

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But I don't need any of that because if we trust the model and we trust the process,

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we know that kids are going to deal with what they need to deal with.

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So I don't need to know that there's anxiety in that child's life.

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I'm gonna see it in their play.

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I don't need to know there's a history of trauma. I'm going to see it in their play.

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So let's be really clear. This is not necessary.

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We use it because it helps in our first five week parent consultation,

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five weeks in

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most of the time parents are not going to see much meaningful change.

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So you sit down to get an update from them and you say, ok,

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I've seen your child five times.

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I wonder if you can tell me any changes that you've noticed good or bad.

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I'm not,

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I'm wondering if you can just fill me in on what you

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think is helpful for me to know in the last five weeks,

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9.5 out of 10 times.

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They're gonna say, yeah, I haven't really seen much change at all.

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And then worst case scenario,

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they're going to tell you that things have

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gotten worse because you're already moving into resistance.

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That's a really hard sell

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to have someone bringing their child for more than a month

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and they don't see any evidence that this is helpful

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or working or getting them in the direction they wanna go

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and, or it might be making things worse.

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Which again, this is why the initial parent consult means so much. Y'all.

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I talked about it in the last few episodes. I've talked about it a lot.

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In earlier episodes.

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You have to have a script and a template and

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a framework for what you say to parents the first

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time you meet with them because if you don't talk

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this out and you're not succinct and articulate about it,

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parents say never mind this isn't working. No, thanks.

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I'm gonna go find a CBT therapist. I'm gonna go find a talk therapist.

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I don't think this is the right approach. This whole play thing isn't really working

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the way we combat that is we make sure that

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we explain everything and we help them know what's coming.

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But that was kind of a little bit of a left turn.

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Why we

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think about this so importantly is that when you sit down for

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that five week and they tell you nothing really has changed,

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nothing really is noticeable.

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You in the

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initial five sessions,

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you're getting to know the child, you're building rapport,

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you're building relationship,

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but that doesn't really instill a lot of confidence in a parent either

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if all you have to report for five sessions

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is that you built rapport and relationship and connection

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and the child trusts you. Now,

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that's a lot of time and a lot of money, especially if it's private pay

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for you to build relationship in connection with their kid.

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So when you go over house tree person and kinetic family drawing,

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and you provide some awareness and perspective that you gained

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from that first week,

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parents are like, oh

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OK, there is stuff here. Wow. He or she is aware of what's going on. Oh, wow.

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Look at all the stuff that they figured out just from these drawings. Oh OK.

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That's really meaningful. Oh, there's evidence of anxiety. OK.

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So that means that we're gonna work on that.

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So my transparency is while I do find benefit in them,

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it is 95% geared for the five week parent console

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and it helps parents have more confidence and trust in the process

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because if all you can say is, well,

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we've really built a solid connection in these last five weeks

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and I know you haven't seen any change, but I promise it's coming

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that doesn't serve the child, the parent or you well.

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But if you can very tangibly and specifically say, OK,

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so in the drawing and in the questions and in this and in this,

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these are my observations.

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These are my thoughts, this is what the child is revealing

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that is powerful for a parent

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and it helps them to hang on for another round of five.

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I think that was really important to discuss.

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So thank you Christina for opposing this and then also

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be mindful that

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as you are doing that first session,

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it's not just about the drawings.

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You can house everything that you need to do in that first session

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under, this is your first time,

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so I need to

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share a few things with you.

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This is about communication and setting some expectations.

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A child knows that if they're somewhere for the first time with

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a stranger that they probably need to know what's going on.

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So this is when I share that I take notes in session.

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This is when I share that we're gonna play for 50 minutes

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that you can choose a snack at the end

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that we're gonna see each other, same time, same day,

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each week that you're in charge when you're here.

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Confidentiality.

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I go through all of these expectations and I communicate all of this to the child

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because they need to know what's going on.

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They need to be made aware of the important

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things that they need to know moving forward.

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And then, so not only is it, this is the first time you've ever been here.

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So I'm gonna share a couple of things with you.

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That's how you can talk the first session,

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then how the child will do the house tree person kinetic family drawings

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and because this is our first time,

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we're gonna do four drawings.

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And I'm gonna ask you some questions so that I can get to know you a little bit.

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And now there's a reason behind those.

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I'm trying to get to know you a little bit. That's truthful.

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And now I add on

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10 favorite things.

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So at the end of the drawings, I say, OK,

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so now I'm just gonna ask you 10 of your favorite things.

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And then from here on out, you're in charge and I'm never in charge again.

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And then I go through my little list of 10 favorite things that I ask a child.

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And now the child feels like I've taken the time to get to know them.

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I've explained everything that I need to explain,

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they're aware of what's coming and what this is all about.

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And then I'm never in charge again and I keep that promise.

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So the only way this works is if it's very first session

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and you take advantage of the fact that it's your first session.

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So you can say the things you need to say, you can have them do the drawings,

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you can get to know them a little bit.

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And then as soon as all of those things are out of the way

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you declare again once and for all,

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OK, everything that I needed to do is over.

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So this the rest of this session and every session moving forward,

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you are completely in charge and you get to decide what we do

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and then

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you're right back into full CCPT adherence.

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So Christina, thank you so much for that question.

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I hope that's helpful for all of you,

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especially maybe those of you that have not

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done house tree person or kinetic family drawing

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and maybe those of you that do not go through

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that conversation in the first session with your kids.

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Again, everything we do is scripted and we have a template for it.

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So we're very intentional so that every single kid gets the exact same experience,

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you should too for a lot of reasons.

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And I really encourage you to think about how you're

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going to structure that first visit for the child,

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just like you think about how you structure the first meeting with the parents.

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It's exactly the same thing.

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They're a stranger when they come in and meet with you for the parent,

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consult the child's a stranger when he or she comes

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in and meets with you for the first session.

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You should have very intentional and scripted

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conversations in both of those so that you

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can be effective and you're consistent and you

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communicate everything that needs to be communicated.

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All right, y'all again, Christina, thank you so much and thank you.

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For all of you for listening. If you are new to the podcast, so glad you're here.

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Welcome.

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This is an amazing family of people and you will just feel like you found your,

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your tribe.

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If you have not listened to the episodes in order, please go back and listen in

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one

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chronological swoop.

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And that will be really helpful because it kind

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of preps you for everything that we're talking about.

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Now, you have to have the foundational stuff. By the way, y'all, it was two weeks ago

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that we crossed the 350,000 download mark

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two weeks ago. Let me say that again because this is mind blowing to me.

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We just are ready to hit 375,000.

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So in two weeks, you all have downloaded 25,000 episodes of this podcast.

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I hope that, that shocks you as much as it shocks, shocks me because

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shock in the best way. Not in a, oh my goodness. I'm horrified way in an absolutely

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so humbled and excited and grateful way.

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This is CCPT taking over the world

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and this is kids being given

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the most effective and appropriate

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therapeutic intervention.

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And it makes me so so glad

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to be a part of this. So

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give yourselves a pat on the back, your commitment, your investment,

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the time that you spend the hours that you spend with me

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working on this, trying to be the best that you can be.

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It matters, it matters for you, it matters for your kids.

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It matters for your families, for your communities, for your state,

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for your country, for everything, for the rest of humanity, it matters

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because there's a cyclical change that's taking

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place for these kids and these families.

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375,000 downloads. Oh, my gosh.

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All right. Love you all so much. We'll talk again soon. Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr

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Brenna Hicks. For more episodes and resources.

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Please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.