Rams Go Big, Diggs Cut Loose and Colts’ Big Bet on Dimes

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're all staying in shape for a variety of reasons. Here in the Chris Westling podcast studio. I'm Greg Rosenthal. We got a full house, we got an all star cast today. To my right, Patrick Claibon, to my left, Jordan rod Reeg and for the first time I think since the season ended, Colleen Wolf in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Hello, what is up. Great to be here, Great to see you all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we were doing it in various states of the country and the football activities of the country.

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Speaker 4: It is happening. There is news.

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Speaker 1: We've got trades, we've got tags, we've got everything. We've got Aaron Rodgers speaking on Pat McAfee right now, and I figured, oh, some news is going to happen about that.

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Speaker 4: But he's just like yammering on.

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Speaker 2: So we'll find see talking about Greg.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: We found out during the show apparently though his wife has been located.

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Speaker 4: You told me shout out to.

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Speaker 3: The Sports Gossip Show if you guys missed that episode they did. I think your respectful job of not revealing the identity but have tracked her down. Show Charlotte Wilder and Madeline I'm so sorry, Madeline Hill, I think is your last name.

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Speaker 2: They do a great job love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a conspiracy theorist unlike Aaron Rodgers, but that was one conspiracy.

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Speaker 4: I kind of enjoyed getting behind it.

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Speaker 5: And I appreciate their commitment to maintaining the privacy. As we have seen, especially today, privacy is of the utmost importance with regards to that religion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like oversharing, like who would do that?

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Speaker 5: I don't know who amongst that.

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Speaker 1: Colleen was barely in Indianapolis. They sent her to Friday night and leave Sunday night or something like that. Here's what we're gonna do. It's gonna be nice quick show. We're actually gonna take a couple shows while we're here. We have a big game that's coming up later in the week, but we didn't want we wanted to leave that as much time as possible. So this is gonna be a show where we talk about some big news that happened on Tuesday and Wednesday. Were taping this Wednesday afternoon, and let's just get right to it. The Chiefs did the thing that they do. The Rams did the thing that they do, and that is acquire a missing piece for their secondary when they're trying to make a run to the Super Bowl. And the thing for the Chiefs that they do is trade away a big piece because they can't afford all their good players because they have so many good players, and they get some picks back. In this case, they are trading Trent McDuffie, the cornerback, to the Rams for a package including the twenty ninth overall pick in this year's draft, the same pick, coincidentally, that they got for the Tyreek Hill trade.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that?

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Speaker 4: Isn't that right back in the day twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: They get twenty ninth, a fifth, a sixth, and a third round pick from twenty in twenty twenty seven. That's what the Chiefs get back, a huge haul. Ian Rappaport has that for NFL Network. It's a move that I think makes sense for both sides. Jordan, why don't you get us going on why it makes sense for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: Because they were a disaster, especially at the perimeter cornerback positions last season, a year where they were contending for a Super Bowl, probably a year ahead of.

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Speaker 2: Their intended schedule.

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Speaker 3: Back when they did their partial rebuild in twenty twenty three. He is absolutely a missing piece. It is the Rams basically cycling back to an era that we are very familiar with that actually started with a trade for two cornerbacks Jalen Ramsey and Marcus Peters back after their first Super Bowl run, and then they weren't able to get the job done obviously that year, and then set up for their next Super Bowl run, that one they won. I don't think they're done for that reason. I think they so badly needed help on the perimeter that this is one of probably a couple of moves that they make.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think a McDuffie as a guy who had his best season in the slot, like that was his all proceeds. That was the season where everyone's like, Wow, Trenton McDuffie's a dude. Since then, he's played on the outside, mostly not been as good necessarily, but still very good.

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Speaker 4: Did have an injury last year.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it's a major concern that he missed some time with a knee injury, but it seems like a great fit McDuffie moving to the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Great fit, especially because it's a little reunion between McDuffie and Jimmy Lake, who he worked with at the University of Washington.

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Speaker 2: Now that's what the Rams dB coach.

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Speaker 6: So this is a nice familiarity kind of built in already, and that'll lead to some consistency, and obviously it gives the Rams some draft flexibility too, because they already have that other pick that Jordan had mentioned.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think back to the Lagarious Need trade, but that was vastly a vastly different situation and you had Trip McDuffie already there in the city. It's like, the financial problems are actually problems when you have a team that's trying to contend in the same capacity the Kansas that he would like to. They haven't need at corner. So many teams haven't need at corner. And you let Trip McDuffie leave after As you pointed out, Greg, he has this versatility where he can play him in so many different spots, kind of like the quintessential Spags corner and now he's out, and like the whole onus being on all right, guys, Brett, find another corner in Spags, get another guy to the Pro Bowl. Like eventually, you're not always going to be able to do that. Which is why I love this trade for the Rams. Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I I like it for both sides. But and I like the process for the Chiefs. When I saw that many picks, I mean, the comp is not a lugarious steed trade. You're right because of how young Trent McDuffie is, and then also because of the compensation. It's very close to the Tyreek Hill trade in terms of comp They got two forts in that trade. Instead it's here, it's like a fifth and a sixth. There was like a second or a third, but either way, like that's a it's a huge haul for a corner back, and it's kind of a cheek code to have. Steve Spagnola, You're right. They haven't found any other Trent McDuffie's, and I think they have a lot of problems, and I have questions about whether they're going to be able to fill it. But I don't have questions about Spagnolo has turned a lot of mid round guys, including Jalen Watson, who's a free agent right now, going to be one of the highest paid guys, including Brian Cook, a safety different position obviously, who's going to make a lot of money. Josh Williams, who's a you know, guy everyone forgot, is a free agent right now. But he started a Super Bowl aside alongside mcduffy when they were both rookies. And so Spagnolo gives them a little bit of flexibility to go cheap in the secondary when they need to go cheap, because frankly, they're spending too much money on George Karlofts and I think they're spending a little too much money on Chris Jones too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think some of the moves the Rams have made when they are in a contending window often get critiqued for being high, high cost, right, but you know, it's been pointed out by some and also something that I was looking at this morning. Now, every team uses their own analytics chart for draft compensation and what capital equates to. In terms of the first this would be pretty close to what that pick is actually worth and the twenty ninth pick is actually worth. And we also see that the Rams they will much prefer paying for guys who they have a known body of data on as a pro versus drafting at that position and developing over time they are ready to win. Now, this team has never been afraid to push higher cost in for players who they believe that can help them win now. And I think there's a little bit of a recency bias about him being a slot player. This type of trade makes it very very clear. And their deal that they gave to Quentin Lake as well, who plays in their slot and is a team captain, it makes it very very clear that these two players are interchangeable, but that we'll actually see Trent McDuffie on the outside quite a bit at least to start, and he had a really good season there in twenty twenty four. I think people forget I think he was like a second team All Pro or something.

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Speaker 4: I thought he was better this year.

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Speaker 1: I thought he struggled and he did not earn that and he like you could like his size sometimes against people on the outside. This year when he played in general, like his metrics look better. I think he's been good for the most part. And because that season stands out to me so much, which is now three seasons ago, I think of him as great at that. But the last two seasons he has been on the outside. That's where the Chiefs thought best to use him. And flexibility is great. I do think they know the person and they can put him in this like it's a great problem to have that you have two extremely versatile guys. I think, like worst case scenario, it is the most unpredictable position in the NFL, and he is one of the most predictable, like rock solid in the middle of his prime players that you could possibly have.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And for the Chiefs now, they're just signaling obviously after last year with what they experienced, they're trying to put at the emphasis on draft capital. So they have a variety of needs that they can address now with the extra picks, and it's just sort of a pattern of them kind of avoiding these long term deals that they usually don't love to do, especially on defense.

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Speaker 3: And great for the Rams because they can't draft corners. Look at their recent they cannot draft corners. They can trade for him and usually it has worked out. They can't they cannot draft corners. One of their best corners of the last few seasons was Darius Williams kind of more in his prime years a few years ago, and he was an undrafted free agent who was let go and then came back into their building. They can't draft corners, but they can pay for him.

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Speaker 5: And one thing that works on both sides of that is Trup McDuffie was one of the youngest players in his draft twenty five. He's younger than Kobe Turner. And so if the Chiefs don't want to make a long term investment in the Rams want to avoid draft in a corner for a while, Hey, there we go. You're chocolate them out peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's why I wanted to start it. Whereas, like, I think it's a good trade for both sides. It's riskier for the Chiefs, but in general it's a high wire act that they fell off of last year of how they're trying to do this team build and they need to find more draft picks like Trent McDuff Everyone looks back to that Tyreko like.

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Speaker 4: It win draft corners, right, it works.

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Speaker 1: Out great because they end up with Krlaptus and McDuffie in that draft and some other players. It's like, yeah, but they have not been hitting lately. That said, I've seen some things about like, you know, this could be a gap year for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: There's no such thing as a gap year.

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Speaker 6: Could they be taking There's no such thing as what they did last year before they did it last year though.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think it can be a year but the last Okay, here are the recent gap years, at least in the NFL that I can remember. The Bills in twenty four, everyone said was taking a step back in the offseason, ended up being one of the best you know Bills teams of this.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've been.

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Speaker 1: Great throughout, but they had that team had a real chance of making zuer Bowl. The Rams in twenty three, everyone thought was taking a gap year. They made the playoffs that year. The forty nine Ers last one last season. There you go, the Ram, the forty nine ers last season, everyone was taking step up. You're not taking a step back. But I do think they're trying to get like their finances in order now. Their speculation of like, well does this make them more or less likely to take Jeremiah Love the running back here at number nine, which is just like one of the favorite everyone's favorite team fits.

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Speaker 4: We'll even get there. Would they would they dare trade.

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Speaker 1: Up for a generational running back because that's what yeah costs.

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Speaker 5: I think they would.

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Speaker 1: I actually think they would too. I don't think they care about like things that everyone else cares about the window.

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Speaker 4: And they care.

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Speaker 3: They might not care about everyone, quote unquote everyone saying it's a gap, Pyo.

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Speaker 5: Well, we know they chiefs do care about everyone, and you know you can doubt and disrespect them, but ultimately you're gonna have to deal with them.

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Speaker 1: You you absolutely will. And that third round pick in next year's drafts. What really put this over over the top for me is like, Okay, I'm good with it. I'm good with it from both sides. And yeah, they like playing their defensive linemen not their defensive backs. Everyone likes to pay quarterbacks, and so that's what the Colts are gonna do with Daniel Jones. They give him the transition tag and h for anyone unfamiliar. The transition tag is a little lower than the franchise tag. It allows teams around the NFL to potentially sign Daniel Jones to an offer sheet. They if Daniel Jones accepted that offer sheet and the Colts decided not to match the offer sheet, he would leave with no compensation going back to the Colts. This is a six million dollar difference between this and the franchise tag, So for this year, it's around thirty seven million dollars. They're basically for now just just trying to kick the can, maybe daring another team to do that. Who knows, maybe they'll even have a deal done with Daniel Jones before free agency even starts. As someone who loved and Jordan nailed this that they would use the tag for Daniel Jones. But Colleen, as someone who weirdly has built a little corner in the Chris Westling podcast studio that you live in are how are you feeling like this? Just a lot of emotions, a lot of ups and downs with the Colts that they choose to do this, and for now, Alec Pearce is.

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Speaker 6: Just and like, Alec Pierce is my guy, He's always been my guy. But my love for the Colts has been renewed as well after being in Indianapolis and spending so much time at Lucas Oil Stadium, specifically with Reggie Wayne, who I was working with, so I did get to pick his brain a little bit too. I was surprised that they didn't get Daniel Jones deal done before this and tag Alec Pierce, But I think that it makes sense that they tagged Daniel Jones because this is someone coming off of an Achilles' injury, and you have a ton of teams that don't know where he is in that rehab process, and so if you're another team that's going to make an offer, like you're going to play it safe as that other team. So I think that they will end up getting a deal done with Daniel Jones, especially after the success that they experienced last year. But I also think that they're going to get a deal done with Alec Pierce too.

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Speaker 2: I think they will both.

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Speaker 6: I think both of them will remain in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: I hate this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Why yes, just well, first of all, he hate tags in general because they're just they're just annoying.

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Speaker 4: I just hate his injury for everyone.

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Speaker 1: In the same way that the Chiefs Ramstrade felt like a win win, I feel like the Daniel Jones tag and Pierce is involved a little too, is like a lose lose, like he's getting more money, but he's earned a lot of money, and I have faith he's going to earn a lot more money in his NFL career, So I'm kind of putting that to the side. I just think it they have such a tough needle to thread for a guy coming off a torn Achilles tendon. The expectations are going to be high. His contract's gonna be high. It's gonna limit what they do elsewhere potentially, And I just I just worry about a world where you're counting on Daniel Jones in a win now year. For this whole regime, ownership made that very clear. They have to win now that Daniel Jones is gonna have to play really good football coming off torn Achilles this year for the Colts, nothing's really changed, like putting the tag on him or whatever contract he got. Nothing changes there. I just think it's going to be very difficult to do that. He just had surgery in December. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills a little bit where everyone is a slotty in like, oh, of course we're gonna have weeks one to seven Daniel Jones back, even though that's totally inconsistent with how he's played for most of his career.

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Speaker 3: I might push back on you a little bit here, Greg, because I don't think that's what this is saying at all. I don't think the Colts think that they're going to have one through seven weeks Daniel Jones back I think that sort of subtly, and maybe the subtext of this is they're committed to specifically Shane steike In no matter what, So they're keeping Shane. They would keep Shane Sdyke in the long term, knowing that Shane Steikeen and Daniel Jones are a partnership and if that requires patience. Keeping Shane Steikeen does not necessarily mean keeping Chris Ballard, and even if he's the one that ends up getting an extension done with him. To me, this transition tag is an investment not necessarily into the play, but in time as a construct right, and it is basically them buying time to check in on all of his First of all, to negotiate a deal to dare another team, to tell Daniel Jones what the market thinks his value is, which they clearly assume is going to be lower than what Daniel Jones wants.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise they wouldn't have transitioned tagged him.

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Speaker 3: And to also, as Colleen mentioned, keep all of his medical checkpoints in house, basically keep his medical information under their roof and under contract where they can actually know what his measurables are. In returning from such a significant injury. Part of the issue when these quarterbacks come off of it achilles injury like this is it is an unknown what their measurables and their touch points are. Through the course of what now has become an expedited process, you have things like explosive explosiveness, how much tension the ligament can handle. These are things that you as a player the second you leave the building, you have ownership for and the other team doesn't have to know that, and you can say whatever you want. They don't know and they can't test it out of their building if they keep it in house. This is them saying, Okay, we're basically giving you a longer runway to recover, giving us time to get the contract negotiated, giving you time to understand that your market won't be anywhere near as high as what you think you think it is, which helps us in the long run get to a lower number. And also a subtle nod torn Shane Steichen and a hey, get back whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: We're keeping the head coach.

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Speaker 4: That all makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really well said, and it's it's kind of in a tough spot where I don't think there was a good way to solve this. My main thing is I don't expect Daniel Jones to be a good quarterback in twenty twenty six, and like in terms of a plus at the position, partly because he's coming off at torn achilles.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well he could pull a Dan Marino, and uh, obviously Dan Marino was Dan Marino.

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Speaker 2: But Dan Marino did it and came back year Player of the Year.

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Speaker 5: An achilles that was torn while he was playing with a broken bone in his leg. Yeah, by the way, like there were multiple things going on that were a part of the injury, and so now we've added all that onto this process of surgery and rehabilitation. While the cults are using this cost control metric that's often used in league with the other cost control metrics to control quarterbacks, whether it's the transition tag or the non exclusive franchise tag, where everybody pretends like, oh, you know, here's a quarterback that's won a couple MVPs, we don't want to necessarily make him an offer because that would be right, and so, like, you know, it's not necessarily everybody in a room saying let's not pay these quarterbacks. But here in this circumstance where you've got the injury, there's plenty of excuses to make for teams to not send any kind of offer sheet to Daniel Jones, which as George Ran but who's the Colts.

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Speaker 4: And the chiming thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bad luck for everyone because I just think it would be great for have It would have been great for them to have seen the rest of the season with Danny do I guess that's like I'm thinking about him versus Kyler Murray. Let's say, who we're going to talk about just got cut, and you know I gotta put him on the top one one.

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Speaker 4: I put Kyler ahead of Dania Jones.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a hard decision of him coming off of torn you know, Achilles and Ones healthy. But I also think of like, literally, at any point in the last six if you had asked, basically anyone inside the NFL outside the NFL, who would you rather have who's a better like football player, Kyler Murray or Daniel Jones, It's obviously Kyler Murray. And now you have Danie Jones, who's had a very up and down, kind of system dependent, injury plagued career.

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Speaker 4: Who I think even more than Kyler.

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Speaker 1: Murray relies on his athleticism and now he's gonna have to come back from a torn aco. And I hear you on betting on Stiking, and to me, it's gonna be maybe a bet on Styking in that he's gonna make it work with Riley Leonard and whoever else is gonna be there. Because that's nice to bet on Chaine Stikeen, But if they're six and eleven, they're getting fired.

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Speaker 4: I don't care about the betty on like it. They have to win games.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's I think Stikeen's safe, I did right, I don't. I don't think the front office is. But I think stike and Sing and.

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Speaker 2: I think Daniel Jones is going to be better than you think he is.

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Speaker 5: Greg.

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Speaker 4: I hope, So I.

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Speaker 1: Just hope he can play too, and that that Yeah. Part of it is those couple games where he freaked out a little bit, and at the time I was defending it.

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Speaker 2: Was this during the broken leg era.

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: That was the thing is I think people have kind of conflated these things.

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Speaker 4: He broke his leg. He actually played okay after he broke his leg for.

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Speaker 5: Company acknowledging again it was insane that he was playing with a broken legs.

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Speaker 2: He was playing with a broken leg.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the two games, the two starts before his broken legs were by far his two worst games of the season. He had two touchdowns in those games, he had ten combined interceptions in fumbles.

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Speaker 4: He took twelve sacks.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was the lowest graded quarterback in the NFL, according to PFF.

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Speaker 4: Broke his leg in one of those No No the Chiefs game. I'm not counting here.

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Speaker 1: He actually played pretty well in the Like I'm not I'm not counting the broken leg in the two completed starts before he broke his leg were the two I.

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Speaker 2: Will find a reason why this happened, right.

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Speaker 1: All I mean is like I kind of wanted to see how the league reacted to Daniel Jones and Stichen and all that, and you didn't.

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Speaker 4: You didn't get me say what I wish.

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Speaker 3: I know, we loved it for content and for a show, but I actually wish that they had not signed Philip Rivers because I think there's some regret internally right about not being able to see Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 5: Yes for more games and we and Yeah, that's that's not hindsight. That was for sight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just throw it out there, captain obvious.

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Speaker 4: And to point it out, we did say that at the time too.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 3: This sucks, but it's tremendous contest.

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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard could be great. I kind of am excited about that. You know who else could be great? That Colleen's guy and Patrick's guy A rare co guy. I mean Alec Pearce. You have got the phrases of Alec Pearce, who now could hit free agency. Okay, if you if you were making a top one o one rankings, would he first of all, would you have put Kyler Murray number one over Malik Willis? I, like, I already have regrets that I did not. But and then, more to the point, would you put a would you have put Kyler Murray or Alec Pearce ahead of each other?

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Speaker 4: Like one, Alec Pearce is number five on my list?

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Speaker 5: I would have had them one too, obviously exceedingly biased.

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Speaker 4: In that order.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray one, Pierce too. Yeah, actually that could make sense right now. Jalen Phillips is too, Malik Willis one, Tyler Linda Bram.

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Speaker 2: Three, how much sleep do you lose over this?

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Speaker 5: Considerable?

00:22:08
Speaker 1: I lost sleep last night, but it wasn't related to this.

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Speaker 4: Me too wasn't related to this.

00:22:13
Speaker 1: It was related at least in part much.

00:22:19
Speaker 4: There's a lot of do the world is burning? I read a book that anyway, Daniel Jones I have been reading.

00:22:26
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the Alex Pierce. We have some sound I want to hear Patrick talk about. But here's what Partley let made me loose sleep. I read a book that I received through the mail from a publisher.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they like said, just send me books.

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Speaker 2: They think, just got it like that read a book Greg.

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Speaker 1: Because I used to recommend them on on the Justin Nick and Rosenthal Vanity Project je And you know I have a good Reads account follow me there, got like a thousand followers there. You know you could you could sell some books. They say, I want to be a book influencer. I haven't really done any work to get there. So I got this book like a year and a half ago and it's just been sitting there. It's a big one and I'm just like, I don't really want to read. I should just get rid of it. I like it's annoying me. And then finally I'm like, finally, I'm going to take it out and read a book. Read this book and it was horrible. It was one of the worst books I've ever read. I got to the end.

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Speaker 2: Life is sure to read bad books. That's what's I love this. I love this.

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Speaker 1: It's a book called I mean, I feel bad about this, get them out there?

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Speaker 5: Great.

00:23:28
Speaker 4: Well, I loved her first book.

00:23:30
Speaker 1: It's by an author named Julia Phillips who wrote a book called Disappearing Earth, which I loved, like set in like Keemchuka Rush.

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Speaker 4: It's great. The second book not so much.

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Speaker 1: But it's a book called Bear and the book ends I'm going to spoil it here with the bear eating one of the protagonists with like twenty pages left. For much of the twenty pages left, going back occasionally from the sister's point of view and describing how like the teeth were crunching on the skull, but that maybe the sister was happy because she loved the bear.

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Speaker 4: The bear was happy.

00:24:03
Speaker 3: Well, I I kind of relate to this because I think ish, but I kind of relate to this because I too, always choose the bear.

00:24:13
Speaker 1: So it is a little bit about that, but it was it's a little ham fisted, and I did think about that, like.

00:24:21
Speaker 2: I think about it all the time.

00:24:22
Speaker 1: That's same if I'm reading, like you know, that's it's my addiction right now. So it's like it's like fifty to sixty books a year. But let's let's give me my pace is going to slow down eventually. Let's give me another thirty years over under, Like how many books is that? That's like a thousand? Maybe I just wasted just wasted it on.

00:24:39
Speaker 5: This is the bear metaphor for colonialism?

00:24:43
Speaker 2: Ooh did you just look it up?

00:24:46
Speaker 1: I'm just I think the bear was a little bit of a metaphor for like their mom was dying, and just.

00:24:51
Speaker 2: Like wow, it sounds like a great read.

00:24:54
Speaker 4: It could have been good. Let's listen.

00:24:57
Speaker 3: Not quite, not quite the metaphor that Colleen and I were referring to.

00:25:01
Speaker 2: But okay, go off.

00:25:02
Speaker 1: This is like the opposite effect of what a publisher publisher and I'm friends with the podcast, it's not gonna happen. Let's listen to Alec Pierre. You gotta get out of here. Let's listen to Alec Peers on the kay Adams Up and Adams.

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Speaker 2: Sure, amazing, Greg.

00:25:21
Speaker 4: You know, at this point now it's like.

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Speaker 7: I love Indy, I've loved playing there, great organization, great people in the city. You know, just a lot of a ton of support. I know we haven't been as good as we we could be, and I know we can be, but yeah, not at this point, kind of earned the right to explore free agency, see what's out there, just you know, make a decision that's best for my career, uh and.

00:25:49
Speaker 5: For my family. I'm not a big electronic guy, you know, dubstep all these things, but there's a moment where you wait for the beat drop and then it happens. Yeah, what do you finally out to that? But I was like, yeah, because Alec is sitting there that webcam is looking like mon he's back lit in front of that window. Run this man his money, Like Alec needs his money, and he acknowledged that there, and through this chicanery with Domes, we're gonna get Alec his money.

00:26:14
Speaker 1: That's a great result of the Dimes tag. Unfortunately, that looked like a terrorist, like a hostage video.

00:26:21
Speaker 3: That's gonna say, you know, I have a good friend. She's recently re entered the dating Pool and he kind of looks like a man who would ruin her life from silver Lake.

00:26:28
Speaker 5: Oh wow, does because that's what he does.

00:26:31
Speaker 1: He also he he also sounded like he had to get that line out like the like his personal pr told him to say it in that exact way beforehand. That was my reading of this.

00:26:45
Speaker 6: Who knows exactly what I was thinking that this was coming straight from his agent that like, I feel like Alec Pierce wants to be back in Indianapolis, but he is saying that so then he can get the offer up a little bit more.

00:26:57
Speaker 1: Who would want to lose and leave Regie Wayne, you knowsh code exactly.

00:27:03
Speaker 5: I think Reggie would be the first person to say, go get you money.

00:27:06
Speaker 3: I think it all goes back tro but he does love Alex. Colleen called her shot at the beginning of this, and I agree. I think they keep both of them long term. I think they get extensions done with both Alec Pierce and Daniel Jones.

00:27:17
Speaker 4: I agree.

00:27:18
Speaker 1: I I I sent that out there, like for I know there's a lot of Alec Pierce curious teams, just just teams out there that like, especially fan bases. He is that guy this off season that twelve different fan bases. Like the second this happened yesterday, they're like, oh, we're getting Alec Pierce.

00:27:35
Speaker 4: It is the year.

00:27:37
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna I don't know if he's gonna go go out there on the market.

00:27:42
Speaker 4: You know, I think he's gonna.

00:27:43
Speaker 2: Say I won't say what it is.

00:27:45
Speaker 3: I just had an all time comment from a Bona in my headset.

00:27:49
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, literally an audio medium. If you're not gonna say it, then you can't say that. Now you have to say it and will potential will potentially.

00:27:59
Speaker 4: Beep it out.

00:27:59
Speaker 3: I wouldn't blow up Chris babonas spot potentially beep it out. Good for Alec Pierce, I hear he has earned all the money that he's about to make.

00:28:08
Speaker 4: Buddha.

00:28:09
Speaker 5: Your keeps their sources nice and.

00:28:11
Speaker 3: Said nice and tight, Patricks nice and tight.

00:28:15
Speaker 1: They might not wanted to set the bar by the way with a tag too, because like, his average per year is probably going to be a little less than the franchise tag even if he does get out to market, but maybe not that less.

00:28:23
Speaker 4: I think it would have been what twenty seven to twenty eight million.

00:28:26
Speaker 1: He's probably getting somewhere in the mid twenties, Bully to him, let's take a break and then we're going to come back talk Kyler Murray and and get out of here and consider the meaning of.

00:28:38
Speaker 2: No.

00:28:42
Speaker 5: It's just like.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: No, so many good books that I could be reading back on NFL daily that the bear can you know? Discussion continued.

00:29:07
Speaker 6: It's actually it's sure did through the break always has.

00:29:12
Speaker 1: Been maybe a little more about like the bear, Like is it better to die feeling alive doing the thing that you love? The bear merely made her feel alive for the first time in a long time than it is to live.

00:29:27
Speaker 2: Are you talking about Dustins? I'm here on the show background.

00:29:29
Speaker 1: A little bit, but I think it's always there. It's the human condition. It's it separates us.

00:29:34
Speaker 5: I think having the bear on the island is like a Chekhov's gun situation, and you want that to pay off. Perhaps not, you know, eighty pages to go in the book, but my theory that I've just come up with when you needless lea kill a protagonist late in a book maybe signals some some internal thoughts on the author about themselves. Whoa, whoa. That's heavy for no reason, Like I don't mean a protagonist being a martyr in certain situations. But you know what, it's just like, oh yeah, they're gone.

00:30:02
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna get to Kyler Murray and and Aaron Rodgers in a second. But I mean, look at him just thrown out Chekhov's gun there, and that reminds me.

00:30:11
Speaker 5: Of Gutenberg's Bible.

00:30:14
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god.

00:30:17
Speaker 4: Do you know Gutensburg Bible.

00:30:19
Speaker 1: It's not one of his best ones, the Gutenberg's vibe, don't.

00:30:24
Speaker 2: I don't.

00:30:25
Speaker 4: Let's go the Gutenberg Bible.

00:30:30
Speaker 5: Okay, it's it's more about the press than it is the Bible. Yes, you know, it had heavy circulation in the day. A lot of people didn't like the ending to that one.

00:30:38
Speaker 1: I thought his best work was, you know, Police Academy four.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: But that's just me.

00:30:45
Speaker 1: So check off. There's a book. There's a book that is by George Saunders. If you've ever heard of George Saunders, and I'm only bringing this up this is my neighbor and I saw him this morning. And so there's a book by George Saunders, who essentially goes through why different short stories are great. It's almost like you're taking his college class. He's a college professor. It's called a swim in a pond in the rain, which I really highly recommend if you're into that sort of thing. Russian short stories, all this stuff cool. But I saw him this morning walking home from dropping off my daughter at school, and he's walking his dog. And every time I see him he's in the neighborhood, I get too nervous to just like say what's up. Hey, I'm a big fan. And he was kind of looking at his phone and walking his dog. It's like eight thirty in the morning, and again I froze up. Even though we're the only two people on the street. That's like, too big of a celebrity, believe in yourself for it. I'm gonna do it.

00:31:41
Speaker 4: It spot a honkey.

00:31:42
Speaker 1: The problem is when you told us to break up the shows, I was like, oh, we got we just got a big canvas to play on. Aaron Rodgers, though, isn't going to extend the show at all. We said he was talking on McAfee as we started the show. I thought we'd be updating that he is coming back to the NFL the only and he quote said, if you're expecting me to announce some big decision, here, just leave now, shut it off.

00:32:07
Speaker 4: So thanks young.

00:32:08
Speaker 5: How long into the interview did you say that, Well.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: We lasted five minutes. I had never mean we I did. I watched it first first five minutes I've ever watched.

00:32:18
Speaker 2: We're just a captive audience of McAfee.

00:32:21
Speaker 4: That's not true. I've watched it.

00:32:22
Speaker 5: That's why Aaron works out day.

00:32:25
Speaker 8: We was posted at eleven thirty six his segment assuming started around eleven or five elevenes.

00:32:31
Speaker 4: Late for this.

00:32:32
Speaker 3: You know, that's pretty great though, myself, Patrick and Colleen were all telling Greg, Greg, let's start the show. He's not going to say anything. Greg says, we might. He's right on the verge he might say. But it did take a show note from our producer Eric Roberts, saying specifically he has said now he's not going to say anything for us to move on.

00:32:50
Speaker 1: Well, Eric's the boss here. You guys, well, you guys are just cohed.

00:32:53
Speaker 5: I don't think Greg actually believed that Aaron was going to say anything. He was something. He just he's about the action. Greg's about the.

00:32:59
Speaker 4: G I'm trying to get as much news into the shit.

00:33:02
Speaker 8: Did discover the Pat McAfee live chat, though, he discovered the oh yeah, they.

00:33:07
Speaker 1: Were bagging on aj Aj Hawk. Kyler Murray is no longer a member of the Arizona Cardinals. We expected this move in one shape or another. I think it's hilarious Patrick that the Kyler Murray era in Arizona essentially ended with a one two punch of Monte Asin Fort going up at the combine and saying, oh yeah, we talk about Kyler Murray every day. I spoke with Kyler Murray this offseason, and literally twelve hours later, a source quote close to Kyler Murray tells ESPN he never talked to us.

00:33:44
Speaker 4: And that's how it ends.

00:33:45
Speaker 1: Like a total lack of communication, a total bumbling from the Cardinals organization and like messaging and just not all being on the same page, ruining every any little bit of leverage that they would have had.

00:33:57
Speaker 4: And now Kyler is free. Good job by Kyler's by the way, I.

00:34:00
Speaker 5: Don't think they had any leverage. It's been Kyler's fault for years and that's been the overall statement for the vast majority of his time in Arizona. And so if they were going to convince somebody like hey, because by Monte Austin Ford stepped into a podium in Indye on a random Tuesday and being like I talked to Kyler, was like, oh they really like Kyler Murray. Now no, this has been the overall message. We don't like you anymore and it's your fault. Things are bad.

00:34:23
Speaker 1: They were trying to get it out there, though I saw what they were doing through the insiders that like, hey, maybe we actually will see Kyler. So I just it just seemed typical for a run where unfortunately it felt like it took a while for him to ever be on the same page, like him and Cliff was tricky. I think him and Gannon were on the same page, and I do not think they apparently were on the same page as as Austin for in ownership.

00:34:46
Speaker 3: I always wonder what the point is of a GM or coach with a quarterback situation in flux to get up to the podium and say, yes, we are in communication, knowing full well that once you may the move that you were always planning on making, the other party can very very freely just say no, we actually weren't in communication at all, Like why, like this has nothing to do with the transaction itself. I just I will never understand why the messaging this happens over and over and over again, why.

00:35:17
Speaker 6: Every year at the Combine it is the Combine press conferences are honestly hilarious to track because Greg and I used to do, like ten years ago, we used to do live coverage of the press conferences and then I would go back and look at my notes and they are just like amazing things in there that that the gms and the head coaches would say, like they would just speak so so lovingly about this person, and then the next week they would be cut or whatever.

00:35:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like that.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: NFL now coverage from the other building in Culver City and send it to us like we were just young.

00:35:56
Speaker 2: It lives somewhere, young people.

00:35:57
Speaker 3: I remember the example where Matt Rule went so far as to coordinate an in house video package of him sitting on a couch talking to a personnel person about how valuable and how valued he thought Cam Newton was only to a not be communicating with him and then cut him or however that I don't remember how that like cut him or trail like like a week later and I'm like, wow, you produced a whole video.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: Like so Kyler's out there, Kyler is a source. Another source close to Kyler said he had two. I think this was CBS Sports that said this had two specific landing spots in mind. Personally, now, the Cardinals owe him thirty six million dollars guaranteed the way these NFL contracts work with offset language. Unless someone paid him more than that in twenty twenty six, which we can reasonably assume is not going to happen. The Cardinals essentially have to pay all that money, and so he'll probably wind up signing, according to the insiders, to a minimum contract this year because he's getting that thirty six from from the Cardinals and then it's a minimum contract. When you hear two possible destinations, what do you think, Patrick.

00:37:10
Speaker 5: Well, I think the one is the Kansas City Chiefs. I think that makes the most in terms of Kyler and his evaluation and the conversations be they, you know, leaking that we've got certain language and his contract about video games and all this other stuff. Kyler wants to extend a big middle finger to a lot of the NFL, and what better way to do that than the start the first six or seven games for the Kansas City Chiefs While fifteen comes back and then you get a chance to pick your team once again, try to get some morem UP.

00:37:40
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the debts where yeah, where he's been attached to. I have to assume one of the two is the Vikings. The buzz, the chatter has just you know, gone off the charts in the last couple of days, that like, maybe this is happening, Kyler Murray to the vi.

00:37:55
Speaker 6: Right to compete with JJ McCarthy, or he could also potentially land in Atlanta, maybe while Michael Pennocks Junior is rehabbing as well.

00:38:04
Speaker 1: So Minnesota gives you the possibility that it's a whole season, or that it's multiple It gives you the chance that maybe it's a forever home and obviously a coach that has a great reputation, and I think even more importantly to someone like Kyler Murray arguably the best wide receiver in the entire NFL on that team and a chance to if you want to put a middle finger up right away, Jordan to win some games.

00:38:30
Speaker 4: Minnesota works.

00:38:31
Speaker 3: I have a galaxy brain take on this with multiple steps, but I know that we have another show coming up where we're possible where we're matchmaking.

00:38:40
Speaker 2: We're doing some match making and their stakes involved.

00:38:43
Speaker 4: Oh you don't want to don't want to give it all.

00:38:46
Speaker 5: We don't want to spoiling this episode.

00:38:48
Speaker 1: So you know, I just I'm definitely not going Kyler Murray to anyone else that we haven't mentioned. So if we all promised that, then you could do it right here.

00:38:57
Speaker 4: You know that we wouldn't.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: Oh you want to know bad?

00:38:59
Speaker 1: No, Well we'll find out. It's a good tease. Later this week we're going to do a matchmakers game. And yeah, I think Kyler Murray is an incomplete court like he has some limitations to his game, but man, he has played a lot of football, and it's been streaky at times, but the baseline is pretty good and the high level play has been excellent.

00:39:23
Speaker 4: He's been a really productive guy.

00:39:24
Speaker 1: And I do think the narrative that like this team doesn't like him, he's not as hard to work, all this sort of stuff. I think quietly it hasn't changed enough nationally to where what the last couple of years have been. Like I think if you listen to the people around that building and his teammates and everything, I think since Cliff left that it's improved on that front a lot, a bit a lot. I think he's thought of as a tough player as well. And look, I don't think it's going to get in the way of him getting a good job. He's kind of at the top of the top of the food chain when it comes to the quarterbacks. While we were taping, we thought Rogers might add to the news with you know, he's coming back. No, but we did get some news Stefan Diggs no longer with the New England Patriots released going into his age thirty two season, Patrick he essentially was on a year to year contractor it's around twenty two million dollars a year, made it very easy to cut him. I thought he performed better than could have been reasonably expected coming off the torn Aco So what do you make of this?

00:40:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a huge bounce back season again also an injury. Where this is now the Stefon Diggs thing. You have a talented young quarterback, Stefan Diggs comes in, things are great and then you say goodbye.

00:40:39
Speaker 1: So I think it's absolutely the combination of the salary and the arrest and the chargers that he's facing. He's currently facing felony, strangulation and suffocation charges, really serious accusations. Who knows if the NFL could potentially suspend him or what is going to happen on a legal front. I think they appreciated everything that he added to the team from a football and leadership perspective, in terms of how he was in that building. But I think when you combine those two things, in freeing up that much financial space, maybe you feel like, all right, we're getting We had a good experience, but we're getting out a year.

00:41:17
Speaker 6: Craig, it makes sense, especially with all of the rumors swirling about aj Brown potentially New England, that maybe that is the next shoe to drop.

00:41:27
Speaker 3: That would be a good move, that would be I would like to see that. I think this is one of those things where if you, unfortunately a team will not show a ton of urgency in the middle of a playoff run in investigating said accusations and charges, and this is one of those things that has to be cleared up by the Patriots post haste the second their sort of magical run is over.

00:41:52
Speaker 2: I have to think that that.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: Is a big part of this, like you said, Greg, and then also they need to basically not take so what happened for them in sort of a magical outweighed expectation season last year and hold that as Oh, we can just run it back with the same people. They have to continue to improve their roster in a lot of areas, and that includes at receiver getting a little younger, a couple a couple more guys who will be able to help them for the next few years.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not buying the idea that they're suddenly going to be quiet this offseason, which they've kind of thrown out there. We're like, we're not going to spend as much. They have a lot of needs that they got to shore up, and that that starts at wide receiver. Really surprising news that Drew Dolman retired on Tuesday. He was the center for the Bears, who was at the top of the free agent center market last year. Got a nice contract fourteen million dollars a year, was part of like a big overhaul for the Bears offensive line. And look, I think they have a really tough offseason in general, Patrick, and this is just a move I really doubt. Maybe they had some inkling from him personally, but certainly the outside didn't He's twenty seven years old and has only played five years in the NFL, and he's doing something very few NFL players have done, but some really have, which is just pass on a lot of you know, guaranteed money and what would have been like a lucrative career for the rest of his life.

00:43:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, it speaks to a couple of things that they inherit violence with regards to the game. And I think Drew Dalin could look across in the division out of some other guys you know, who have gone through like trying to extend careers in constant pain, and so you know, electing to retirement makes it. You know, financially, it's tough for us to put it in perspective, but it makes sense from a human level. And for the Bears, this puts you in a sudden changed situation a season after an offseason where you feel like you fixed everything on the interior and right there where it starts, you got to start over because, like you look at the spreadsheet, which you know is the dichotomy there, the spot on a spreadsheet versus actually human being twenty seven years old, just on forty two million dollars. You feel like we're good here, but now you're not.

00:44:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's forfeiting nine point five million dollars guaranteed, he's made about twenty four in his career. They could potentially go after his signing bonus. I kind of doubt they would do that. They do save ten million dollars in cap room. So while it creates a big open hole, Uh, they needed to create cap space in some way, and that is just one thing.

00:44:19
Speaker 4: Financially, that's a factor.

00:44:21
Speaker 6: They also have their left tackle who's going to miss Mouazzi twenty twenty six, So that now creates a lot of instability on the offensive line in general.

00:44:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a position they had. I mean, we talked to Ryan Pole's about it at the combine and he called his shot. He said he was going to fix the offensive line, and then he went and fixed the offensive line, and you know it was it was incredible to watch. There are some adjustments they can make in a pinch. I don't think they want to pursue this type of thing. I think you want to replace in the draft and or trade or free agency. Unfortunately, they do have to clear cap space at this point. A couple of triggers they can pull will do that, but they're probably gonna have to say goodbye to a couple of their dbs who are our free agents. If they were planning on in the resigning him in the first place, which it didn't sound like they were. I know they don't want to get to this point because it went so terribly when he was with the Rams. But Jonah Jackson could play center in a pinch he has before, if he's not thrown into a sudden change situation, if he gets an entire offseason to ramp up into the position. It went so catastrophically bad when he did it for the Rams because in part it was all of a sudden a pivot out of what he had been training to do the entire offseason. But he has played the position. I talked to him at that time. He's confident in his ability there. It was a disaster when't happened. But the Bears could potentially say, Okay, we're going to at least see if this works ahead of the draft. We're going to explore this option ahead of the draft. Otherwise you really have to draft high there.

00:45:49
Speaker 1: I just think that they have a Ryan Poles and Ben Jonson just have a lot to do this offseason to back up what they did last year, and I think losing their offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, and Eric b Enemy is right at the top of the list of why it's going to be difficult.

00:46:06
Speaker 4: So this just kind of adds to that.

00:46:07
Speaker 1: Joe Toney played a little center for the Patriots back in the day, but I don't think.

00:46:11
Speaker 2: At least before the draft and exactly.

00:46:14
Speaker 6: He retired in June last year, so that puts that that put the Lions in a bad spot.

00:46:19
Speaker 1: And the Bears reportedly were asking around at some centers in like so I think I have a feeling there were their reporters thought maybe they were just looking for depth when they heard maybe some chatter at the combine, but I have a feeling they knew about this before we did. But either way, a big loss for them. So happy Trails and Drew Dollmand. I always really respect anyone who makes a decision that it's just not kind of me. Maybe I don't know if popular is the right word, but no matter what, you have to imagine his dad as a football coach, like how difficult a decision this would be. I'm sure how much he loves playing the game, and being around his teammates and to pass obviously on the financial part of it. So thing's okay with them right all respect to Drew Drew Doman. And they did have Tyler Biottish in to the building for a free agent visit, and it sounds like Tyler Biottish, who was cut by the Commanders, is healthy, so maybe he's just a quick one for one replacement. Before we leave, the Vikings are looking to trade Jonathan Garnard. Kind of the last thing will hit quickly. But just a reminder here to me why Kyler Murray or any cheap free agents is gonna be great for Minnesota because this really indicates to me they're trying to save some money because Jonathan Garnard is a good player, and the report from Jeremy Fowler of ESPN was that they're looking for a Day two which would mean round two or round three pick for Jonathan Garnard.

00:47:37
Speaker 5: And an edge that obviously, when you're playing with Flores, the ability to rush to passer and drop back plays heavily into that. And Dallas Turner was playing more and so you can get more Dallas Turner on the field, and Grenard taken advantage of having this piece that you could use to get some more talent to facilitate the not jj of it all.

00:48:00
Speaker 4: Nine.

00:48:00
Speaker 3: I feel like always when by the time you hear these reports, it's probably gonna be a cut. If it's if it's fine, if it's getting to the point where it's actually out in the in the media atmosphere, it's like it's there's a potential for it to be a cut instead.

00:48:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think once it gets out there, I agree that they're ready to cut him if they need to. I think Jonathan Garnard is good, young, productive enough, and the contract to me is good enough. Eighteen point three million dollars this year, I think is totally reasonable for a twenty nine year old Jonathan Garnard.

00:48:29
Speaker 4: But I bet they can get a pick. So if they're looking for.

00:48:31
Speaker 3: A day Carolina Panthers, Panthers right hello, they sit there.

00:48:37
Speaker 4: The Titans would make some sense to me.

00:48:39
Speaker 1: I know, they just added Jermaine Johnson the Chargers potentially, who are going to be looking for edges depending on what happens with Khalil Mack.

00:48:47
Speaker 6: It's just tough because he wants a restructure or a raise, and he's coming off a season where he had a shoulder injury. So the year before that was great and all, but it's kind of a tough spot to be in when you're demanding money.

00:49:00
Speaker 1: That makes the trade more difficult, and so that if that is the case, it obviously could be a cut, but I think someone will give up something for him. Speaking of cuts, the Chargers have released Makai Becton, their guard who they gave a lot of money to last year. We expected that, and Bobby Okeriki, the linebacker for the Giants, also released that's it for us on this news show.

00:49:22
Speaker 4: Gosh, it was a little meaty.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: It's the problem. Make that into a drop, dari you let's get out of here. Play the music, hold on, hold on. Good to have you back. Colleen Hey agreed to be back. What are we holding on?

00:49:36
Speaker 8: I'm gonna filibuster here for a second because I got something.

00:49:39
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I have never heard Robert's philibuster is.

00:49:45
Speaker 8: Not going to work well because I'm trying to like drop things in the folders at the same time.

00:49:49
Speaker 5: You can, which brings no.

00:49:51
Speaker 8: But Colleen mentioned a throwback of Greg and no, you just not find NFL combine stuff back in What is this twenty fifteen. I think Chris can take this full screen up. It's a I'll fix this and it's a better picture. But I found a photo I think this is from twenty fifteen. What yes, I think it was. The second was on the beat? On the beat? Does that so familiar?

00:50:18
Speaker 2: No?

00:50:18
Speaker 5: What?

00:50:19
Speaker 7: Yes?

00:50:19
Speaker 2: It was something like that.

00:50:20
Speaker 4: This came from I think you guys are talking to Seahawks here.

00:50:22
Speaker 1: That's twenty fifteen scouting combine NFL winners and losers and losers.

00:50:28
Speaker 5: Yes, I know who lost.

00:50:30
Speaker 1: I'm in my I'm in my ill fitting suit. Can we listen to some of it? Here?

00:50:36
Speaker 2: We got a clear copyright first infants, Oh my god.

00:50:41
Speaker 6: Herefore on the beat to go through the wins and loss from the pro side.

00:50:46
Speaker 2: Thats all right, So we'll start.

00:50:47
Speaker 6: With the good and then we'll get to bad, because.

00:50:49
Speaker 2: You know we want to end on the bad, right always it's always the best. So the first one here, day Gude, I think can starter.

00:50:58
Speaker 1: What a winter.

00:50:59
Speaker 4: RG didn't win much on the field last year.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: But who thought he would have been the unquestioned starter in Washington right there.

00:51:06
Speaker 4: We're not going to top that.

00:51:09
Speaker 3: Greg, congrats on your voice dropping recently.

00:51:14
Speaker 1: That off of Gruden and a slur maturity. I know, Jay Gruden. I kind of forgot he ever was an NFL head coach. Yeah, the R word, which we've odiously avoided, but.

00:51:27
Speaker 4: It's not in there.

00:51:28
Speaker 1: And then a big dig on r G three not playing very well. So I'm I'm and the octave mostly.

00:51:34
Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about the octave for a minute.

00:51:37
Speaker 4: Octave, I mean, what happened the octave?

00:51:41
Speaker 2: Octavia?

00:51:42
Speaker 4: Octavia, Let's get out of here.

00:51:44
Speaker 2: Creditable on the beat.

00:51:45
Speaker 6: I can't believes now A reply guy on Twitter.

00:51:52
Speaker 5: I think, don't swirstle cool?

00:51:56
Speaker 2: Well, what a show.

00:51:58
Speaker 1: I love having you guys back. Why why don't you come back for another show this week? Let's do some matchmaking. We'll see you then.

00:52:06
Speaker 2: I can't believe you found that.

00:52:08
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was great.