Candiace CANNED! Traitors Episode 8 Recap with Tiffany Mitchell

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. In addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well Ray drops. This is a very special recap of Traders with Dustin Ross and Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Because they b us mentioned Gander's got the Queen of Detroit not on read the Franklent recipes.

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Speaker 3: Dana Ross. We love you two, Sister Alamba.

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Speaker 2: We got b Tiffany Mitchell joining us to read cap the Blackout of Us.

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Speaker 4: That's right, real black History.

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Speaker 5: First of all, Happy History Month to you because you are literal Black history, first black winterer.

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Speaker 4: Big Brother, I didn't win.

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Speaker 6: I didn't win, Big Brother, I didn't will whatever.

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Speaker 4: Then you know what I'm saying. You do? You started that damn alliance who you got it? Pop in? So you're the first one. Okay, Happy Black History Month.

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Speaker 6: Thank you? Happy Black History Month, you kings. I appreciate you having me. I thank you for blessing me with your presence, allowing me to be in here in this time. And I love the way we all showed up like you know, it's true formation in sync.

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Speaker 3: That's yes, yes, we're all Michiganders.

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Speaker 2: And listen, before we get into what happened this episode, Tiffany, we just got to get into you and all the things sys.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't watch Big Brother a.

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Speaker 2: Lot, obviously, I'm aware of who you are and I'm aware of what you brought to that show, Honey, Bunny Pudding Pie Traders. Listen, Dustin and I were talking about it while you were on, and it's funny. I said, baby, that Tiffany is going to go places.

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Speaker 3: But before we get to all that.

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Speaker 6: Just not in the Castle. She's gonna go somewhere leaves.

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Speaker 3: You are a star. Yes, you're a star.

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Speaker 2: And this is coming from the King of reality television. You are meant to be on television for the rest.

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Speaker 3: Of your life.

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Speaker 2: And your appearance on Traders solidify that. What was it like being a part of the Castle and where you're a fan of Traders before you got on the show.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Traders was one of my favorite shows. Immediately season one I started watching, I was podcasting about it. Cody from a Big Brother was my friend. We had started a podcast. Well I was on their podcast before, so when he went on, I was just all in and I've just been such a huge fan of The Traders. It started getting so big. The notoriety of the show was just gaining momentum that by the time season three was over, I was like, Oh, well, they're not going to call me. I'm not that big of a person. They're looking for these big, gigantic names, these people I didn't. I underestimated myself. I guess I didn't think that I was going to get this call seriously, and so listen. When I got the email, I thought it was fake. I said that somebody is playing in my face and it's disrespectful. These fans do not have to find my email and be playing with me.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was real, and I was like, oh my god, this is it. My son was a senior. I was kind of not wanting anybody to call me to do a show because I wasn't I didn't want to distract from the focus I had on trying to get him through high school and off to college. But the timing couldn't have been better. I left for Scotland three days after my son graduated from high school, so it was like, okay, you graduated, you on your own, Now bye, I gotta go. And I left him at home by hisself while I went to go film in Scotland. But he's been, he's been, He's gotten used to it. The first time I left him, he was going into the ninth grade and so he had to start ninth grade without me. So it's kind of he he he's independent, he knows the lifestyle. I always tried to raise him to be able to be without me because one day he may have to be, you know, hopefully not not soon. But it was great. It was great. I was I was a little disadvantaged because I don't know if you know, but I don't watch a lot of these shows. So I was like, I knew Candice, I knew Porsche, I knew my gamers. But listen, they were like, that's Dona Kelsey. I said, okay, who's that.

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Speaker 3: Look? Look look me too, because they said o'clock about this.

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Speaker 2: When they said America's mom, I said, I almost say, Claire hukstaball, who's Tina Knowles?

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Speaker 4: Right? Said?

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Speaker 3: Who's mom the football?

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Speaker 6: I said, oh, okay, all right, make it makes sense? Alrighty then, But I didn't know, but I was excited. I was excited to be there. I'm a leo. I came with this crown, you know how it's already ready already I don't know. So I'm just grand being in a castle, being in Scotland, writing on a throne. I was in heaven, baby, I have dreamed of things like this.

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Speaker 3: Oh go ahead.

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Speaker 5: DSA, Well, you were made for this, Tiffany, me and Carlos have had several conversations, literally at length about your preparedness, you know what I'm saying for the intensity of the roundtable, those discussions, what you did on your way out, but what you did, okay, and the way that you handled that was remarkable. So talk to us about how you were so prepared to have a battle of witz off the dome like that, just able to like defend yourself in the pocket. Because honestly, we haven't seen the best performances from some people who we had hoped to see them from at that round table thus far. But you were a knockout, So how did you know how to cut their ass out like that?

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Speaker 4: At that round table? Tip you talk to me about that process.

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Speaker 6: You see that hat you wearing.

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Speaker 5: Okay, say enough said, that says everything.

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Speaker 6: I'm straight from the d baby. If you can make it out Detroit, and if you can make it in Detroit, you can make it anywhere. We ain't scared of nobody and win impressed by nobody neither. So when you come, be sure you come correct, because we stay ready. I had no idea I was going to need to have an arsenal ready at that round table. I wasn't thinking that I was even remotely that in Jeopardy I had kind of briefly heard Coulton floated my name. But when you're not guilty of something, it's like, take me to jail. So why I get my commissary so I can get on the body here because I know I ain't did it, but you know it's people locked up that's innocent. You know, Yes, I'm like, it's not about to be nothing, but I was when when Colton kind of came and me like he did it was it was more offensive than anything. Like he tried to talk to me like I was like a shady, sisty, dirty individual, like yeah, you you you you you killed your best friends. You and I understand that is the name of the game. But I'm just like, first of all, I didn't do any of those things. You don't know me to know what I would do, and I wouldn't do that and I and I was just offended. So you know you can't you can't come for my character. You come for my game, but you can't come for my character. Then I just I kind of forgot we was at the round table. I was like, say, what but that all of us love you because again, listen, I'm I'm a new Trader watcher.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm watching this season and dustn't give me heads up like lose.

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Speaker 3: The round table is where the action is.

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Speaker 2: I'm Housewives connoisseur, working on the show for ship ten years, so I'm all about a dinner scene because dinner scenes.

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Speaker 3: Are where the girls did.

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Speaker 2: But the roundtable, honey, on Traders, is where you are clogging and you gave a kneey leak style yes you did read where when they said spell Tiffany t I F F A And while like the box bag.

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Speaker 3: I'm like the you like the company, like the company?

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Speaker 6: Second, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like the.

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Speaker 6: Spell Tiffany with one f what fool you walking around talking to who you playing with? You're trying to come for me?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: Damn well how my name is spelled?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. And he knew exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 5: That's why we were so glad you shut that ship down so swiftly and so succinctly.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about.

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Speaker 5: Some things that we don't know about on camera right off, that that did that we didn't see on camera, right like who listen Michael Rapperport, the Michael Rapperport of it all right?

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Speaker 4: What was the.

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Speaker 5: Experience like for real living with him? Was his breath bad? What was the like? What was the because we have we have assumptions, right, but we would like some comfortence. You know, he looks like there would be a rancid stinch attached to him as well as his behavior and so and while we're at it, right that damn Eric who thought that he heard your footsteps?

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Speaker 4: He needed to play. He loved me the laugh, the laugh, excuse me, the laugh?

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that right there really burned me.

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Speaker 6: Up, I know with the Lamborghini ears, Oh yeah baby, And then I didn't even know his ears were so big until you say, you some of them big ass ears gonna pull up this dude's ears. I didn't realize they was like, you know, little doors on the side of.

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Speaker 4: His extraordinary, exordinary.

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Speaker 6: Big for nothing, big for nothing?

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Speaker 3: What big? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Talking about I do music?

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Speaker 5: I't know, and I heard I know you don't, and then only to turn around and do it a damn again this week, do it again. I know this handwriting, No you don't. But any who talk to us about yeah, the Michael Rappaport, because I know our time is limited, I don't want to.

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Speaker 6: Do we listen our time time is limitless. So I did not know I knew Michael Rappaport looked familiar. I couldn't remember I knew him from him like I think he's an actor, but I don't. I don't keep up with each individual's politics, religions, their beliefs, where they stand on these things. I've been raising a sun. I don't care about nobody else of what they do if it ain't benefiting over here. So when we got in, I remember when we picked our boxes and everything. When we were walking off the steps, he looked at me and kind of gave me. It's not now when anytime I walk into a house or a game, I'm trying to assess who's receptive towards me. If you're if you're open to me, if you won't make contact, but if you reach out, you shake my hand, you give me a nod. He was somebody that kind of gave me a nod, like like he saw me, like I will work with you, and I'm like, okay, so I'm just trying to keep these things in my pocket. Well when he started when when Alan picked the Traders and then Michael just he took his veil off and was like, all right, now it's time to play. You doing this, you're doing it. I was like, oh, he is coming at people. Hey, I'm tired of all these I'm tired of the nice stuff. We just gotta play, We just gotta roll, we gotta go. I was not mad at that because it was kind of moving slow and I'm a gamer, like, let's get this show on the road. I was glad somebody else was doing it and it's not me. I like to be in the backseat. Let me, just make sure you don't have no accidents with me and the car. But I'm a good passenger, so he But when he got to being a more vocal where I could tell people were being bothered by him, my connection to him wasn't to be his friend. It was kind of like, hey, dude, I come from the reality TV where I know how these can be. I know what your edit can be. You might want to you might want to channel it down just a little bit. I just I just cared enough that I didn't want anybody really to have that type of experience. And I'm thinking, maybe you don't know, but I do. I grew up on live feeds. We will watch twenty four to seven, so I'm generally cautious of my behavior. That's kind of how our relationship developed was everybody else was like ill, ill, ill, when I'm like, I ain't gonna do that. Hey, come come on, get up under my wing and let me just.

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Speaker 5: Say sh yeah, because because approach yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And one thing I will say to pick it back off of Dustin.

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Speaker 2: I do want to know a lot, not a lot, but some about like the process. Because when I'm watching the show, even in last night's episode when the round table starts again. I'm a reality producers. I come from the school love. These are four it's multipliers, so we're not waiting around for somebody to talk.

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Speaker 3: And I do feel like it was a slow burn to.

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Speaker 2: Even get people to speak up at these round tables and talk to me. How was the round Is it as nervous a nervous racking and nobody nobody wants a talk bird.

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Speaker 6: No, No, that's real, that's real because the room is so big, there's a lot of tension going and we can't say a thing as we walk into the room and we sit down. When you sit down, Alan comes in, he says his little thing, and it's almost like if you've watched the show, we know like usually the first person to talk is the one who the trouble is on. When we first sat down at my roundtable, baby, I was looking at Colton like this, yep, so he had to say something because I was I did not I didn't shift my gaze from him. But see, that is honestly a mistake, because you need to be aware of everything that's going on in the room. And I was so upset that I heard he said my name. I wanted to fight him, So I'm looking at him like, what's what up?

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Speaker 4: What up?

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Speaker 6: Though, Colton, say what you said? Say it to my face that that roundtable is very intense. I genuinely believe that they sat in that signs Ellen doesn't tell us we can't talk immediately when he says the flora is yours, there's not a camera crew saying okay, wait guys, and then we'll give you a moment, He's like, the flora's yours, the flora is ours. Who gonna start it off?

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Speaker 2: Not me?

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Speaker 6: Because I don't even want you to look at me. If I started talking, I might look guilty. So who want to talk?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. So to Dusin's point, though, when Eric said your name and he said that he heard you laugh, now that you're watching the show, because I want to say, you're so authentic that in the moment I got to ask her, how.

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Speaker 3: You fuck could you showed it?

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Speaker 2: I care more about watching it back knowing that Candace, another black.

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Speaker 3: Girl, is a trader. He said he heard someone laugh. Do you think he heard a black girl laugh? Or do you think he just had it off for y'all.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't Candace. See, it wasn't Candace. So it's it's unfortunate because him and I had this conversation and he's like, to, you know, outside of this, the thing that bothers me the most is people are saying, I heard a black girl laugh, and that's creating a prejudice of the action around me, And that's not that's it wasn't what I was intending to do. I didn't do that. But he knows for a fact that it wasn't even Candace, but he didn't find that out until afterwards. So it's unfortunate that that's what because here's the thing. I thought it was Candace too, and I didn't know it wasn't Candace until I talked to Eric. And when I'm watching the show back when Candace and I are both on the show, sometimes I'm like, who said that? Does that me? Or is that Candace? There are times when we sound alike to me. My family has told me they're like you, and Candace sounds so much alike. So when he said I heard this laugh, I thought one of two things First of all, we had to do these laugh impressions at the beginning of the show, like who has the scariest laugh? And I'm like, did they play my damn laugh out there in the woods? They set me up off? Oh me, they owe me back?

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Speaker 4: He was on alert at that point.

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Speaker 6: I'm going through all But it wasn't Candace either, And so that's the unfortunate thing is whoever wasn't supposed to make a sound made a sound.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we'll find out the reunion, because you know that is upcoming.

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Speaker 4: Dustin.

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Speaker 2: One more question about this, I'm gonna give you the floor. One thing I do want to know when you saw because you were there obviously, when you were there and you saw Candace have your back and really felt the pain that you were going through the moment being a single mom of everybody listen, no shape to the rest of the cast.

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Speaker 3: Someone I'm aware of some a couple, I don't of all of them.

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Speaker 2: I did feel like you have the most compassionate story of like.

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Speaker 3: Of all your motherfuckers.

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Speaker 2: I actually need the money, like I'm not here just for like, okay, let me.

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Speaker 6: Let me get my bonus down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, you get a bonus too if you stay on past a few episodes.

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Speaker 6: Who said that there's somebody else on this card.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm okay. So Candace Portia and I used to I don't know how it worked. We used to always get kind of get dressed together. We somehow seemed to be changing in our in our into our mission outfits and back into our regular clothes kind of at the same time. And so one time we were together and we were like, we like this, and and Candace had looked at me prior to that, and she was like, you you started that cookout And I was like, yes, I did. She was like yes, And I kind of that let me know that she knew who I was and she respected it, and that she she that resonated with her, and that made me feel good because I didn't even know anybody. Anyone knew anything about me at all. So when we were changing that one day and it's like we like this, and I was like, yes, we need to eat this a thing. I like this a lot, and we kind of knew unspokenly like that we were saying, we're gonna work together. We want to keep each other safe for as long as we can. And when Portia was vanished, me and Candace were just like, that's crazy, damn. And we knew. We were saying, like, it's us girl, And we got Natalie too, but she wasn't in the room with us, and she kind of was with the boys, and so I kind of really only felt like I got Candace. And I never thought that she was a trader. I just thought she was so sweet. She was like a breath of fresh air. I love Kandace kandas was just fun. All the time. That roundtable was so intense. You don't understand every single person. Every single person, with the exception of Candace and Michael, had something to say about why I was a trader that day. It went on for such a long time, and it's very hard to sit in that seat and listen to people factually tell you why you're guilty of something that you know you didn't do. And so when Candice speaks up for me, and a lot of people had spoken against me by that point, when she speaks up for me, it was almost like somebody came and gave me a hug and was like, baby, I see you, It's okay. So I didn't start tearing up until she started speaking so kindly about me, just like somebody sees me. I just felt seen, and I was just like, thank you. Because some people are scared to say anything against what the group is saying. This her mentality. We all have to say the same thing, and she wasn't afraid to say that she didn't feel that way. And at that point, it's not a game. It's like, thank you for just making me feel seen and somebody supporting me. Michael did back that and supported me. That was the toughest thing I've ever had to go through. And maybe in a game, but you know, usually when somebody is telling you, I know you did this, didn't you like, well whatever, and you can leave. I had to sit there. I'm like, hey, hey, hey, we don't got to You don't gotta keep telling me. You can start writing. I'll start writing too. I just write my own name. At this point, it became where I'm ready to get up here and tell y'all. I'm ready to tell you. I felt like Kate. Did you watch Kate's season? Yes, when she didn't want to play anymore, so I'm not gonna help. I felt like if I stay here, they're not going to get the same me. I didn't feel a part of the group anymore. I felt ostracized, and I was like, if I stay, I'm gonna be like Ron.

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Speaker 4: And the hell with that. Right now, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: First of all, you did your thing on The Traders, right, you were You were unforgettable on The Traders.

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Speaker 4: So congratulations on an incredible run on it.

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Speaker 5: You have an undeniable legacy and impact on Big Brother as well. People cannot speak of the show and of the trajectory of the show that they was mentioning you and what you did, the pivot that you made the show take right, You've done Traders? Would you do Traders again? And what else do you want to do on television? Because you have a personality that needs to be on television, and you also have the capability to navigate those social spaces and really show your stuff off. So what else do you want to do on television, Tiffany, because you're coming back to TV?

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Speaker 6: Okay, Dustin? Yeah, on, hold on, Dustin. So I would do Traders if they called me tomorrow. Just have the wardrobe consulting their honey, because trying to pick out all the outfits was stressing me out. I could strategize better, find out to worry about them clothes. I took six lessens leuggage. They said you could breathe through. I said, I got a three extras. Okay, yep. I do enjoy. I am a social person. I come from a big family. One reason why Michael Rappaport didn't bother me. I'm like, I'm from Detroit. I come from a big family. He's noisy, he obnoxious, and I grew up in that. I'm immune to it. That don't bother me. I can deal with people. I run a business. I deal with people all day long. I think that that's just some people are like, oh, I don't like people. I do. I like learning from them and like getting to know them. All different, all different kinds of life. You don't have to even be like me. I want to know why you weird. We're not weird, but why are you different anything. I do enjoy being on the screen. I do enjoy playing the games. I don't enjoy getting kicked out early and not winning. But I am I am trying to I'm praying about it. Like what is Tiffany Mitchell destined to do? I've done a couple of little films here in Detroit. Okay, I think is a little harder for me though than reality TV. I'm good on the whim.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they need to put me on a little Saturday Night Live some.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that. No you, It's funny you said that.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I see you doing some hosting things. You have this presence, and again as someone who does reality television, me watching this brand new show because of my dog Dustin and I'm meeting people for the first time, I was instantly drawn to you, like she not. Everybody has the I and the T, and you have both and capital letters.

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Speaker 3: You really do, really do.

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Speaker 6: Thank you. I need to hear that. You know, I've been in healthcare forever, but I've I've always I don't know. There's this video of my family has with me when I was eight and my uncle had the big camquarder you put on your shoulder and I got the microphone and he's letting me host the fashion show of the family reunion. And when he got ready to turn it off. Only thing anybody ever remembers is when he says, Okay, Tiffany, say bye to the camera. I say no, please, don't turn me off. I've been trying. I've been trying to be on it.

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Speaker 4: It was written, it was written for real.

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Speaker 6: We're trying to be on ever since ever since.

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Speaker 3: Need it to be okay. I know our thimas is almost up.

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Speaker 2: I'll be remiss, and I know Dustin feels the same way last night's episode.

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Speaker 6: Let's get it.

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Speaker 2: I would love to get your thoughts on last night's episode.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have listen. Dustin has been.

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Speaker 2: Rid because he's been boiling with blood ever since last night, and I would like for him to finally release Come.

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Speaker 3: On big, he wants to say, Because Dustin, let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: This episode, to me, it's only about what happened to Canvas and everything.

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Speaker 3: Else to me was just sort of like the er.

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Speaker 6: So much about the banquet episode. I said, maybe he was trying to prepare me for this episode because this episode had so much in it. Come on, let's get into it.

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Speaker 4: No, it did. It was. It was a very hell on Twitter. Go ahead, Well, justin, what.

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Speaker 6: Do you think about the vote? Like, if we go back to the vote, that's where it started, That's where yesterday's episode picks off, picks up. Candace voted for Rob. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: I think she made a mistake. I think she made a mistake.

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Speaker 5: I think that Candace played this game assuming that her packed that she had made with the other traders held some sort of value, and it simply didn't. Rob just did them dirty before they could do him dirty, and Candace should have been on her gangster shit and done him dirty first. That's just the reality loyalty, and that's sometimes that can be to our detriment. Because Lisa ass was already out the door. They had already pushed her and her she was trying to pick her but the ship that fell out her pockets when they threw her out the front door.

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Speaker 4: Up at that point, right, she was gone.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So what Candy should have done was peep game, robs a snake, Okay, bet Lisa's gone. Bet the man and Lisa walked out that front door. I felt like Candace should have started a rumor and lied and been like, you know, housewives stick together. Lisa told me to her and Rob had a pack straight up. Lisa told me that before she left. I don't know what to do with that. I would have started circulating that through the house. And got Rob's trader asked the fuck up out of there immediately because from the moment that she saw that he was willing to betray their turret packed right, she should have known then what time it was, And I hate that she made that mistake. Of course she had to engage them for the show, but like, come on, candas, turn your.

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Speaker 3: Never say yeah but you agree with that tipany on now me.

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Speaker 6: I understand why she did the throwaway.

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Speaker 3: Vote because we don't know.

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Speaker 6: Tell us well, here's the thing, like nobody in that in the in the castle. She can feel the energy that nobody is even looking at Rob. And I do get like what you're saying and what she did, essentially are thinking the same thing. I want people to start looking at Rob. She just was way too overt about it, and then maybe at the wrong and the wrong way. But she does want some suspicion on Rob. And sometimes you don't realize that there's no suspicion on someone until you write their name down. At the roundtable, because everybody was in all like, how could you write Rob's name down? We would never write week sweet man, sweet man, there's a sweet sweet man that told.

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Speaker 2: Me everything I need to know and listen, I got listen, does let me get this out? When I say to you, I got sheer vers down my spy, and not in the way that I like it. After midnight, I was living because for me, it shows and yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna go there because I can. It showed me that this handsome white boy, you know, from the South, with the charming look and.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Rob is five to me, so I get it.

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Speaker 2: But it's one thing to say like Rob finds hell, but you know, maybe he is that sweet sweet man. To me was sort of like what did Candace do for all of you guys?

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Speaker 3: With one other of.

00:29:31
Speaker 2: Rob saying Candace Candace was never Let's let's be real because you know, a lot of people think black women are aggressive.

00:29:37
Speaker 3: Candace was never aggressive. Candace was She didn't cuss somebody out.

00:29:43
Speaker 2: Candace appeared to be a sweet, nice woman from Maryland. So to sort of dismiss that there's no way Rob could be and.

00:29:52
Speaker 3: Not him, but this black woman strictly.

00:29:56
Speaker 2: By saying saying her name, and then the moment that that motherfucker her Johnny when against her, I said, baby, that told me everything I needed to know.

00:30:07
Speaker 3: But he had.

00:30:08
Speaker 6: Rob has so many people in his pocket destined to your point, you said you would have tried to plan a seed like they were in it together. I'm wondering if that would have even worked, because they had they believe Rob is such he's such a faithful I don't. I don't know that anything Kennice did would have done to make them believe Rob is being deceitful would have worked. They don't want to believe it. When you like someone, it's hard for you to think that they are doing something that they should not be doing.

00:30:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, well what was giv me?

00:30:43
Speaker 3: Okay you something, let.

00:30:46
Speaker 6: Me tell you something.

00:30:47
Speaker 4: Go ahead.

00:30:48
Speaker 6: When I came home, all everybody kept asking me is so I was? How was Rob r? And I was kept blowing my mind. Everyone wanted to know I was Rob Rauch And I'm like the dude who didn't say anything to me, very chill, just very nonchalant, really not really excited to be there, doesn't seem to care whether he's there or not. Not the center of attention, but not dead like Ron, but just existing and having good boy fun with my other young he was. It was almost like a frat boy.

00:31:28
Speaker 4: But the thing is it's all in act.

00:31:29
Speaker 5: If we watched last night's episode, he literally said, my job is I've been in a lot of conflict in my life, and I know how to what did he say, how to work people?

00:31:40
Speaker 4: And so he said, I want can't.

00:31:42
Speaker 5: My job is to keep my cool and remain as calm as possible and get Candice as worked up as she can be. So that was an intentional effort on his behalf to do that. It was all in act, and that's why I have the same fire underneath me that I had when they did you dirty, and I was cussing their ass out the next day. I couldn't wait get on this mic because I was going to tear Eric's ass up for what he did to you, right, and Colton too. Today is Rob's turn. Here's the thing. Rob played a great game. We're not gonna sit here and act like this is not a game. We're not gonna sit here and act like he did not outsmart Candace and Lisa, because that's what he did, and we have to be fair about that. But I'm on Candas side, so I don't give a damn about no good game playing strategy. Fuck Rob, I'm sick and I'm sitting there all the time, playing stupid, looking dumb and aloof like there's nothing going on inside. Like he's always on commercial break, sitting up there every time it's gone from And I can't stand nobody that's making faces all the time anyway, What you.

00:32:39
Speaker 4: Got to say, Like, what do you have to say? Stop?

00:32:41
Speaker 5: Every time Candace is trying to throw them dark to him at that roundtable, he was.

00:32:45
Speaker 6: Just but it's making the other faithful.

00:32:49
Speaker 5: That's why I hated Tiffany, And that's why I hate it even more because it worked.

00:32:52
Speaker 6: You know what, I don't want you to forget those dust I don't want you to forget this. He says, he's got to sit back, be calm, be relaxed, let her get worked up. He just chills. He's been in tough situations. Did y'all forget the boy is a snake charmer?

00:33:07
Speaker 4: Exactly?

00:33:08
Speaker 6: If you play with snakes, catch them, wrangle them, roll them up, keep them, eat them, do whatever. If you are that type of person who actively and regularly engages with the species that has no arms and legs but can kill you.

00:33:26
Speaker 4: We shouldn't be surprised. Huh. We should not be surprised.

00:33:29
Speaker 5: Well, listen, he played in your game, but I don't like how they did Candace.

00:33:36
Speaker 2: I happen to know candas personally, right, So of course my bias is showing all the way up.

00:33:42
Speaker 6: Now, Dustin's all the way.

00:33:44
Speaker 3: Yes, nothing know.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Just last week I were overalls because listen, I do have a crush on Rob.

00:33:52
Speaker 6: No shirt.

00:33:52
Speaker 3: I'm I'm seeing it, You're not, so listen, my bias will always show up. I think I am.

00:34:01
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I would have to agree I'm probably more mad at Rob because he was smarter than my girl. Yes, and I'm annoyed that he was able to mess with her bike. I will never get over the fact because it happened to you and it happened to Portia. I hate the fact that it took them to say the name once. Hear what I'm saying without saying it took them to say, Tiffany, can this Porsia name once a whisper for everybody to say both them out Lisa.

00:34:41
Speaker 3: Lisa had two weeks.

00:34:42
Speaker 6: Right Ron had seven tables, Michael had six tables, Donna had three two tables. Colton had to get murdered.

00:34:56
Speaker 4: See see what.

00:34:57
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's why I took it the way I took it, because it was sort of like, I see what's happening here, and again, I'm not gonna make the show about that, but to me, it's at the end of the day, is the world we live in.

00:35:10
Speaker 3: And that's why I was sort of like this this.

00:35:14
Speaker 2: I felt sad for Candace in that moment, like I felt sad for you.

00:35:18
Speaker 3: I am friends with Porsche. Now, look, I thought Porsche had a porsia moment, so it wasn't emotional for me. It was more so like Porch being Porscha.

00:35:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do. I do want to give Candace her flowers. So I watched her episode. Watching last night's episode honestly made me realize that I'm glad I was not a trader, and nor do I even think that I want to be a trader. And I thought that I wanted to be a trader. I love being authentically myself. I felt I was very empathetic towards her because how she carried herself to me, it was top tier. I would have been a mess. She didn't stutter, she didn't stumble, you know, I could tell that she was doing what she had to do to save herself. But she was very calm. She did not let Rob rattle her throw her off her square. She still came very poised, very direct with the facts that she had. I just think that her strategy, her strategy was all messed up. And I think it's because she started off the morning saying it was a throwaway vote. But when Johnny warned her after the mission that she needed to be ready at the round table because of her vote. Is when she came to the round table and said, Rob, I actually do think that you're a trader this morning. You were nervous at breakfast. It's kind of like she switched her her reasoning middle of the day when she could have just stuck with I did vote for him. I said it was a throwaway because I was I didn't I didn't feel comfortable, but I am suspicious of him. So when you go from saying I'm not suspicious of you to now at the roundtable, I'm so suspicious of you. You don't give people enough time. But we realized, well, Portia's vote, you don't even need enough time.

00:37:16
Speaker 3: No, that's the thing. So what we saw was Candice was voted out.

00:37:20
Speaker 2: I appreciate the Beyonce post she gave back the end when she had that one leg out.

00:37:24
Speaker 3: Yeah right, dust gay body.

00:37:28
Speaker 2: So the twist in the end was obviously Alan telling Rob, who's a sole trader, you can either murder somebody or bring somebody on with you.

00:37:40
Speaker 3: What we saw was that he chose Eric.

00:37:43
Speaker 2: Tiffany, ladies, first, what did you think of Rob choosing Eric?

00:37:49
Speaker 6: I had time to think about this. Honestly, here's the thing, Dustin, You're right to me. Rob is playing a really great game because he is not just thinking about the next step. He is also a chess player. Okay, he's thinking. He's looking at the board all the way around. He knows that he has the possibility to get down to the final four at the pit where people are going to throw their stones in and say, I think everybody here is a faithful in his mind. I believe Rob is playing this game based on what other three faithfuls he wants to be at the end of this game with him, not who's in the turret, because he doesn't want to split the money. If there's another trader, they have to split the money. He probably wants all faithfuls when he chooses Eric. I was a little confused because I think that Eric being a part of that six person alliance they made with the Dagger and who he trusts. I think that I think that choosing Eric was a TV move. And what I mean by that is Rob knows the edit that he's probably getting, having gotten rid of two housewives, having been the last trader standing him, bringing in Eric. Eric is a K pop singer, He's got all of these I think that that was a TV move. Honestly, I think it is somebody that he trusts, but somebody he trusts to be able to handle being a trader, but somebody he'd be willing to throw under the bus later. But he is he knows that this is or he thinks that this is going to elevate his resume and his reputation on the Traders. That's just what I think. Don't forget. We are on TV and people are playing a game, but they're also thinking about what the outside people are thinking. Just like when people were saying, don't want to date vote for Donald because the Swifties are going to be mad, maybe Rob is also trying to gather a little K pop audience.

00:39:45
Speaker 3: Oh look at it that way. Okay, dust It, don't slip it. I never thought that. That's why I'm gagging right now.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: But Dustin Rob choosing Eric initial thoughts and what do you think strategy is?

00:40:01
Speaker 4: They both ain't shit?

00:40:05
Speaker 5: That was my initial thought personally, Eric ben a snake since day one. Rob is now a bona fide blatant, you know, clear snake. And so it is what it is now, that being sick, because that's my emotional response, right I'm still Candice.

00:40:22
Speaker 4: It was brilliant for a now.

00:40:24
Speaker 5: I didn't even think about the additional layer of life after the Castle and him being attached to the fandom that the massive fandom that is attached to the K pop phenomenon right now and those really talented artists and musicians that make that music. Those fans are loyal, purchasing fans, and so it's good to have them on your side, especially coming from a show like Love Island where there's a little bit of crossover with that audience. And it was nothing but expansion for him. So you're right, that shows your you so damn smart, Tiffany. Yes, but I also thought, as far as the Castle was concerned, Eric has already shown himself to be somewhat of a follower. We haven't seen him kind of lead the charge in the way that we've seen Colton and what's the motherfucker's name, Rob, We haven't seen him do that. And so he was the perfect do boy, you know what I'm saying. Rob pucked him to be a do boy to do his dirty work.

00:41:19
Speaker 4: He knew that he could.

00:41:20
Speaker 5: He knew that he would be enticed at the prospect of being a trader, because that's a decision, that's that's a consideration you have to make, you choose whether or not to recruit who would accept it.

00:41:31
Speaker 4: So that means that he knew that they was dirty together and.

00:41:35
Speaker 6: Who can I, like you said, who can I get to follow me in the turret? He was in the tour with two housewives. He couldn't wait to get to get them out of there, So it can be what he wanted to do.

00:41:48
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I believe it.

00:41:50
Speaker 5: And I also believe the minute Lisa Na went against Porsche, he saw that she was able to She didn't have no loyalty to nobody, and so I think that he identified her a mark immediately, like I'm gonna get her as out of here and then I'm going to have to get Candace out of here because she's gonna be mad I did that to Lisa.

00:42:07
Speaker 6: I think that when Candace showed that she was not happy with that, when she threw that fruit at him in the kitchen, it made him realize I didn't just make one enemy. I think I made too for sure. My ste though from yesterday them in that library, baby, when she was in there talking to Steven and rib heard his name, it was almost like he got pulled into the library. He said, I think I heard my name. He said, yeah, I know you're sitting down and eating and everything, but why don't you eat and live in the dining room where people eat this the library? I need to talk to Canvas.

00:42:41
Speaker 5: The way I would have said no, I'd have been like, hell, no, I'm finna what y'all about to talk about?

00:42:45
Speaker 4: We all to me, but.

00:42:47
Speaker 2: Take away, I would have I would have expect, okay, the way the Wrens that got kicked out just said pretty much, well, that's y'all making things obvious, right. I thought Stephen would have at least been like, if he it's telling me to leave so that he could talk to canandas I would have put two and two together in that Mama, because Rob talking with Candas is so strange.

00:43:09
Speaker 6: Nobody is suspicious of Rob. Rob is quiet, he's sweet. He's a sweet sweet man, and there's overalls and no sure he's a country boy from Alabama and cowboy boots and the cowboy hat. He don't know nothing. He didn't put him on Love Island. He didn't even want to be there. He doesn't even like television. They just call him to come to this show to do traders, and he doesn't even know why he's here. But now he's here with these people, and he just just take care of me and make sure nothing bad happens to me while I'm here. I don't want my mom to be sad.

00:43:36
Speaker 5: Baby, please. I would have been on his ass like white on rice in that house. If I was in that damn house, I would have known you're from Love Island. You love the attention immediately. I would have known that. So you are a person who wants to be in the front, and I would have had my eye on him immediately.

00:43:52
Speaker 7: To your point, go ahead, go ahead, But to your points outstaid, being on Love Island, your strategy is your sex appeal, and I don't care what anyone says.

00:44:05
Speaker 2: The way of Candice hilariously said at the end, Colton was Rob's beard.

00:44:11
Speaker 6: I died, yeah, and then I lived again, and then I died.

00:44:16
Speaker 3: Honey, Eric is now Rob's new beard. I don't care what anyone says.

00:44:21
Speaker 2: Rob is using his good looks and charm like on Love Island, and he realizes it's.

00:44:27
Speaker 3: Easy with these girls. Let me get these boys.

00:44:29
Speaker 2: Now.

00:44:29
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know where.

00:44:32
Speaker 6: He had the boys. He had the boys. He had Colton, he had Jam Jam, he has Eric, he has maybe Johnny not so much, but he has Johnny.

00:44:43
Speaker 3: Already said he's so hot, came a look at him.

00:44:45
Speaker 6: So then he has the boys. He has everybody, at least the one of her to hook him up with her, one of her daughters. You got. Everybody loves him, Everybody, Natalie and I love Natalie, Natalie loves everybody loves him. Why nobody. You can't even say his name. I can't believe you said his name. We're offended. I believe you spoke about our king like that. You're gonna have to go.

00:45:08
Speaker 4: I'm not mad.

00:45:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's another thing, Christian. You can't be docile in a power suit. Which is it?

00:45:16
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You stand up.

00:45:18
Speaker 5: You've been standing on ten toes this whole season, and then all of a sudden you want.

00:45:21
Speaker 4: To recoil and say, oh, well, he said that that not brob that sweet sweet man?

00:45:25
Speaker 3: What?

00:45:26
Speaker 5: And then Maura as well, And at breakfast that morning, what did she say on I hope it's not rib or some ship? She said that at breakfast in the morning I caught I'm sick of her ass too. And actually, if we're just going on the way people look and move in their way and manner and shit in the castle more been acting like a trader from day one. She would be one of the faithfuls that I would mistake as a trader if I was a faithful because Mara acts like a trader.

00:45:52
Speaker 6: What does someone's kindness or someone's profession, or someone's humor have to do with whether they were selected to be a trader. It's not like he was born a trader. He was chosen to be a trader. He can still be a sweet sweet man, yeah, and a trader.

00:46:12
Speaker 3: That's the thing for me.

00:46:13
Speaker 2: Okay, my last question is this, Tiffany for you, now that you know who the traders are, are you shocked that those three were traders?

00:46:28
Speaker 3: Did you not see it coming or did you have a suspicion?

00:46:31
Speaker 6: So the funny thing is the only one I was never suspicious of was Candas. Really, maybe, let me tell you something. Candace would have won that game if I would have been in that house. Because if I would have if I was stayed in the cancel and went all the way to the end with her when it came down to throw them stones into the fire at the end, I'm like, I know, she ain't no trader. Lisa walked around with sunglasses on every day. If she came to breakfast in glasses. She did her missions in glasses. Lisa was at the round table and glasses. Maybe why you got those glasses on? She was laying on the floor doing deep breathing and yoga and stretching, and you know we over here. I asked her. I say, Lisa, they out there digging their graves. I know, do you think this is diet PEPSI? We're talking?

00:47:20
Speaker 1: What is your talk?

00:47:22
Speaker 3: You don't care?

00:47:23
Speaker 6: Why are you?

00:47:24
Speaker 4: You know?

00:47:26
Speaker 6: And then Rob, now here's the thing I asked Derenda the day of my banishment, I said, Derenda, which now I know she thought she was on a damn girl's trip. I thought she was on a girl's weekend. She didn't even know she was playing the game. I don't know what. I asked Derenda. I said, Derenda, do you think Lisa is a trader? She said no, I said, Derenda, she tried to throw you under the bus. You don't you don't think that's suspicious. It's a little suspicious, right, She's like, no, I don't think so, I said, okay. Rob was also looking like he ain't never been asleep a day in his life. And here I am, well, that's the bright guy in bushy tail. And he looked like he's been up all night killing people. And I said, why, why? Why you tired? No, I got allergies. I believed it. I didn't, but I did like it took me. It moved me away from him. But when they flipped those cards over, those two, I was surprised, but I wasn't. But candas I could have passed out, I said, not that sweet sweet.

00:48:23
Speaker 4: Woman right right there you go, there you go.

00:48:27
Speaker 6: That's a sweet, sweet lady. Yeah, I tiny, well dressed, well spoken, educated, beautiful black queen, not be no trader.

00:48:40
Speaker 3: I love it. Does say your final thoughts on this episode.

00:48:44
Speaker 5: Great episode. This is probably my favorite episode of the season.

00:48:47
Speaker 6: This was the bittersweet.

00:48:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, very bittersweet, like you said, Tiffany, Allen had been when he was promoting the show. He had been touting episode seven, the banquet episode. That's the episod sort of the season. For me, it was episode that candas is exit. I didn't want to see that. I think after watching all the seasons of the show, Tiffany, I think Candis is one of the best traders that ever played this game, and I just hope that she's recognized as so. She did a fantastic job, as did you. Okay, first of all, and thank you so much for coming. I think you ship and I can't wait to watch you on your next TV game.

00:49:24
Speaker 6: You I love y'all. You have no idea how hearing my name come out of your mouths. When I was watching your clip on Instagram, I said, now they know who I am. I'm like, Candace, bitch, not you know what I'm in here doing.

00:49:47
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, sister, you are you're meant to be on television and I want to fighte you back after the final well after the reunion.

00:49:55
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, sorry, my last last question.

00:49:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you prepared for this reunion? She?

00:50:03
Speaker 6: They are they prepared for me? There you go, Hm, you know might wear a crown. But listen, I got a question for you. Yeah, both, Okay, I'm gonna just tell you. Up until yesterday, I'm like, I'm going for the Traders. I need Candace to win. I need Candas to pull this out. Okay, Candace is gone, I'm like, who I know, go ahead for Dorenda. And I just love Derenda. But Derenda thinks she on a on a little yoga retreat.

00:50:37
Speaker 2: I will say this, that's a good question. I'm being very honest. I'm not rooting for anybody. There's not somebody that I'm like rooting for. Prior to Candace banishment. Obviously was Candace before that? Listen, I joined Lisa Renda on My Housewife Guy.

00:51:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I enjoyed her.

00:51:01
Speaker 6: How to tell y'all about her too in a minute.

00:51:02
Speaker 2: Okay, but there's not somebody that I'm rooting for. But if I have to choose, anybody. I mean, look this, dust missus hard. If I had to choose anybody, I'm rooting for.

00:51:20
Speaker 6: Dustin. What you're gonna say, I know?

00:51:22
Speaker 3: Do you have about Dunstan?

00:51:24
Speaker 4: Have one? I do?

00:51:25
Speaker 5: I have one by default, But it's only by default. And this is how And I just thought of it when you asked the question, because I'm.

00:51:31
Speaker 4: So damn mad.

00:51:34
Speaker 3: I'm mad.

00:51:34
Speaker 4: I ain't even thought about the ship. But here's the thing.

00:51:38
Speaker 5: As you posed the question, Tiffany, I started to think, well, what kind of criteria can I use to determine who the hell I'm rooting for?

00:51:43
Speaker 4: Because I simply don't care anymore.

00:51:46
Speaker 5: The only person at that roundtable that did not vote for Candice was Natalie, right.

00:51:52
Speaker 4: She votes for Tira.

00:51:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's a faithful which means that Rob won't win.

00:51:57
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for Natalie.

00:51:58
Speaker 6: That makes sense. And I like Natalie, and I like Natalie.

00:52:03
Speaker 4: She honestly like me too, and I don't.

00:52:07
Speaker 5: I don't hold a grudge or take umbrage with with Tara because Candice did throw her under the bus, so I a'm mad at her, you know, situation or whatever. I'm not mad, I forgive. I don't even forgive her. I understand what she did, so like that's it is.

00:52:23
Speaker 6: Really a great competitor like her season of Survivor. She she she did. She's great, she's strong, she's smart, she's outspoken. I like Natalie. I don't think she's playing her best game here on the Traders, but I wouldn't be mad to see her win. I really wouldn't. But Lisa. I had no idea. Lisa was this just a wonderful, down to earth, loving, inviting, open fun just individuals. She's such an amazing person. When when I got off the show, when everybody came back home, she was one of the first people to reach out to me. She's like, I love you, girl. We're gonna be hanging out like You're amazing. Anytime I tech Lisa, I can text Lisa right now, she will text me back. I ask her, I ask her for advice. She's like, no, this is what you do. She's just a phenomenal woman. And I think that we think I do, like I look at them as being you know, they've been doing this forever, like you're the mom of this. I'm the new baby coming up in this, and so I just wouldn't expect to get the priority that I feel like she gives me. But she does and I'm like she waiting on my text. It just it makes me feel it makes me feel good as a person, but it makes me feel like she's just that good of a person.

00:53:44
Speaker 3: Ye. Yeah, yeah, let us know that.

00:53:49
Speaker 2: Listen, we're rooting for you at the reunion as well as Canvas importancedressy.

00:53:58
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Tiffany is an honor.

00:54:00
Speaker 2: I guess speakle have a dust and I'm sure for you and I to talk to you and recap this episode with you.

00:54:06
Speaker 3: Uh, it's the best episode.

00:54:08
Speaker 2: To recap with you, and I would love to invite you back to recap the reunions.

00:54:12
Speaker 6: Sure you know it's detroiting the house you know, is Michigan love all I will if I can say yes to you, It's always a yes for me.

00:54:22
Speaker 3: Just know that for me, unless you have my information, reach out whenever you need anything. But we will see her to recap.

00:54:32
Speaker 6: Okay, come for the next Okay, that's.

00:54:38
Speaker 4: What he's right.

00:54:40
Speaker 3: I love you guys, have a great weekend.

00:54:45
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00:54:54
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00:55:07
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