The Complete Hulk Hogan | Under the CineMat Ep. 156: The Incredible Hulk TV Pilot (1977) Part 2

<v Speaker 1>Lapstan Wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Principal photography began in May of nineteen seventy seven. Could
<v Speaker 2>not find exact dates, could not find much. Actually like
<v Speaker 2>this was to me. It shows that there was so
<v Speaker 2>little faith in this project that nobody fucking cared about it.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wrote anything about it. There was nothing there, not
<v Speaker 2>even in variety, there was nothing, nothing about it. I've
<v Speaker 2>never I've never seen this little amount of a dearth
<v Speaker 2>of yep of like hype, yes, when it came down
<v Speaker 2>to it, But I'm talking about in terms of production,
<v Speaker 2>in terms of saying, hey, you know, we're gonna do
<v Speaker 2>a fucking incredible haul. We got Bill Bixby, we got
<v Speaker 2>Loo for rig Now it's gonna be huge. Nothing like that.
<v Speaker 2>Although actually I should say when at this point, you know,
<v Speaker 2>didn't have Lou yet. That came later, But I did,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I did want to ask I want to
<v Speaker 2>ask Ken Johnson a question, and I said, you know you,
<v Speaker 2>I said, Ken, you clearly have disdain for comic books
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. And I get that, and I get you
<v Speaker 2>had a particular vision as to how you want to
<v Speaker 2>do this show, and you know, make it the least
<v Speaker 2>bit comic bookie as possible, but I kind of tell
<v Speaker 2>can you tell us? Please tell me? And Jack, was
<v Speaker 2>there something else that made you want to do this pilot?
<v Speaker 3>I talked to Frank and he agreed to let me
<v Speaker 3>take a run at it this way. CBS had agreed
<v Speaker 3>to order two movies, the one that would be a pilot,
<v Speaker 3>which is the one we shot here, and then a
<v Speaker 3>second one to sort of set up where we were
<v Speaker 3>going with the series. So I agreed with Frank that
<v Speaker 3>I would take on the Incredible HOWK pilot, but I
<v Speaker 3>told him that I wanted something in return that would
<v Speaker 3>be very different from the sort of larger than life
<v Speaker 3>science fiction pieces that I had fallen into doing It
<v Speaker 3>always amused me. I was trained in the classic theater
<v Speaker 3>and in Shakespeare and Strenberg and Ibsen and Pinter, and
<v Speaker 3>you know, you work on the six million dollar man,
<v Speaker 3>you create look at those seventies close, and you create
<v Speaker 3>a bionic woman, and you do the Incredible Hulk, and
<v Speaker 3>pretty soon the die is cast and people think that's
<v Speaker 3>all it is that you do. So I was anxious
<v Speaker 3>to do something in return that would be different, and
<v Speaker 3>we agreed to do a mini series based on Walter
<v Speaker 3>Scott's Ivanhoe.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, people remember that to this day because you know,
<v Speaker 4>you know why they remember it because it never got made.
<v Speaker 4>Guess who got used, Kenny. Guess who got used Kenny. Yes,
<v Speaker 4>the only thing people know about you is Kenny. Those
<v Speaker 4>three fucking shows, Kenny, your sci fi shit. Nobody cares
<v Speaker 4>about your classicalness whatever. Who's in his mind that he's
<v Speaker 4>trying to impress from his his prior life by doing
<v Speaker 4>an Ivanhoe mini series. God, there's some professor that he
<v Speaker 4>never felt like gave him as just due or or or.
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, there's there, there is some who like,
<v Speaker 2>there are people who told him that you are this
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy. Oh, you know you you're you're beyond
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood fluff. You are such a you know, you're deeper.
<v Speaker 2>Fuck yeah, a deeper filmmaker. I know he does. Someone
<v Speaker 2>gast him up. Yeah, listen, don't Okay, I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>tell you right now. I have no doubt that fucking
<v Speaker 2>Ken Johnson in his childhood home had a box of
<v Speaker 2>fucking comics underneath his bed. Okay, don't fucking tell me
<v Speaker 2>he didn't, because he's a fucking liar. If he says that,
<v Speaker 2>all right, don't fucking start New York Times service, the
<v Speaker 2>news service, they did announce that Bill Bixley was coming
<v Speaker 2>back to television on May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy seven.
<v Speaker 2>Bill Bixby is coming back to the Tube agin as
<v Speaker 2>comic book character to the Hulk, the one time quote
<v Speaker 2>magician of TV is before the universal cameras for the
<v Speaker 2>beginning of production for two for two hour movies in
<v Speaker 2>which he'll be transformed when it comes when it becomes
<v Speaker 2>time to set out against the forces of evil, from
<v Speaker 2>a mild manner doctor to a towering giant who will
<v Speaker 2>actually be portrayed by giant sized actor Richard Keel. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>even in the newspapers, Richard Keel was announced to be
<v Speaker 2>a never knew this, yeah only yeah, no, no, no
<v Speaker 2>Igno or Bust. Nope, it was Richard Keel first or bust.
<v Speaker 2>And actually, you know, there's one shot still of Keel
<v Speaker 2>in the movie, one shot, but you wouldn't even know. Honestly,
<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a it's an overhead shot and you know,
<v Speaker 2>like the camera pulls up, it's a you know, you'd
<v Speaker 2>never know, you'd never know, right, never never know, never know?
<v Speaker 2>Uh ken Ken Another question, just Chris how did it
<v Speaker 2>take you to film the pilot.
<v Speaker 3>The entire pilot I believe was shot in about eighteen days,
<v Speaker 3>which is incredibly fast for a pilot. Nowadays, a two
<v Speaker 3>hour pilot, you know, we'll go to twenty five days
<v Speaker 3>or more. But we didn't have that kind of time
<v Speaker 3>or money. The budget on the picture was about a
<v Speaker 3>million three million four which was you know, healthy at
<v Speaker 3>the time twenty five years ago. Nowadays it would barely
<v Speaker 3>pay for the craft service and the food at the
<v Speaker 3>craft service table. But we were working within the you know,
<v Speaker 3>the established rules of the studio at that time, and
<v Speaker 3>the budget levels that they were comfortable with. Working with
<v Speaker 3>my assistant director, Tom Blank and Ralph Saraego, the production manager,
<v Speaker 3>I had put together a schedule that allowed us to
<v Speaker 3>shoot what we needed to in the amount of time,
<v Speaker 3>although there were a lot of tough days. I mean
<v Speaker 3>this day, for example, it was like we shot eight
<v Speaker 3>and three eighths pages, which included all of these scenes,
<v Speaker 3>plus the shot that you've already seen of Vick's driving
<v Speaker 3>in the rain and the poor man's process shot. It's called,
<v Speaker 3>of course poor man's process because instead of driving with
<v Speaker 3>a green screen or a big process rear projection screen
<v Speaker 3>behind them. You just sort of turn the lights out
<v Speaker 3>and wave lights at them and pour a rain on
<v Speaker 3>them and hopefully that hopefully nobody notices.
<v Speaker 2>But I kind of want to stop you for one second, okay,
<v Speaker 2>just because I want to tell Jackson a why do
<v Speaker 2>you know? Do you know we're talking about with the
<v Speaker 2>poor man's process shot?
<v Speaker 4>I kind of followed, Yeah, so he has a way
<v Speaker 4>of making me non interested.
<v Speaker 2>I know he really does. So usually it's a it's
<v Speaker 2>a night if you have someone driving at night. Now, actually,
<v Speaker 2>I want you to look. I want you to watch,
<v Speaker 2>especially if you watch an older you know, movie from
<v Speaker 2>the eighties or nineties or even before then, okay, or
<v Speaker 2>a TV show. If you look at look at a show,
<v Speaker 2>look at a scene where people are driving at night,
<v Speaker 2>and I guarantee you more often than not, they're in
<v Speaker 2>a studio and they're just using light techniques, lighting techniques
<v Speaker 2>to kind of make it seem like they're moving. Like
<v Speaker 2>there'll be a you know, to do to do overhead
<v Speaker 2>street lights. They'll have like a light on a on
<v Speaker 2>like a swivel and just keep rotating it around so
<v Speaker 2>you see the light reflect off of the uh off
<v Speaker 2>their faces or off that they'll even have I've done
<v Speaker 2>this before. I've done it before, where you have you
<v Speaker 2>basically create a fake uh uh like grill of a car,
<v Speaker 2>and you put two giant flashlights for headlights, and you
<v Speaker 2>kind of have it move around stuff behind it to
<v Speaker 2>make it seem like there's a car moving there. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, you add sound effects and specially that at
<v Speaker 2>you put rain or whatever, and you can make it
<v Speaker 2>look pretty convincing. All things considered, it is remarkable. But
<v Speaker 2>I know he does just kind of want to. I'm
<v Speaker 2>glad to know that's what that meant. I didn't really
<v Speaker 2>know that. Yeah, but I know he's got ken. You
<v Speaker 2>got more, I understand, Howard Schwartz, No, not that one.
<v Speaker 2>Here we go, but we all do it.
<v Speaker 3>The even big features with multimillion dollar budgets off and
<v Speaker 3>we'll jump in and employ the poor man's process to
<v Speaker 3>get it done as quickly and easily as possible. My
<v Speaker 3>longtime attorney and dear friend, Charles Silverberg, was on the
<v Speaker 3>set of Star Wars in England where one of his
<v Speaker 3>clients was involved, and he was watching them do the
<v Speaker 3>scene where ce Threepo was in pieces on the back
<v Speaker 3>of the Wookie, and they had made this complicated radio
<v Speaker 3>controlled rig to operate the arms of c Threepo so
<v Speaker 3>that he could be motioning while he's being carried around
<v Speaker 3>on the Wookie's back, and none of the radio control
<v Speaker 3>stuff worked, and they ended up just doing it with
<v Speaker 3>wires that went around to the front so that the
<v Speaker 3>fellow playing the Wookie could move it. And Chuck so
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't believe it, He said, a multimillion dollar project
<v Speaker 3>and here it was with like spitting baling wire And
<v Speaker 3>I said, Chuck, it's how we make movies.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, man Land, is that plane make movies?
<v Speaker 2>Indeed?
<v Speaker 4>You know, I just have to say, did he mention
<v Speaker 4>craft services because it's not about food? Did he mention
<v Speaker 4>the way to think about how far a million goes? Yep,
<v Speaker 4>in the context of food, because it's not all about
<v Speaker 4>food as far as proving us right, I mean, at
<v Speaker 4>this point, if you watch wb programming on like USA,
<v Speaker 4>like snackdown, you will literally get interested. Did you say
<v Speaker 4>snackdown or smacksmell, Well, it should be called snackdown because
<v Speaker 4>you get ads. I mean, they're like little thirty second
<v Speaker 4>vignettes of Bronze Stroman eating a Chicago dog.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna tell me one?
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, for the sake of he advertised, Yeah, he
<v Speaker 4>goes all around and eats shit, and that's the show.
<v Speaker 4>Are gonna tell me it's about food. Get the fuck
<v Speaker 4>out of here.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I fucking love it. Although I love
<v Speaker 2>that he says he's not a sci fi nerd. He
<v Speaker 2>fucking he doesn't call it chuwboc. He calls it a wookie.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wooky, and Ivanhoe is kind of like the sci
<v Speaker 4>fi nerd medieval predecessor, you know, just Renaissance fair kind
<v Speaker 4>of shoot because you want to be a little careful, Ken, Ken, Ken,
<v Speaker 4>you're a fucking comic nerd. Okay, man, you just don't
<v Speaker 4>want to admit it. You're just are scared to admit it.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why you want to fight me about it.
<v Speaker 2>I know, seriously, Ken, Who Who's Who's your cinematographer? By chance,
<v Speaker 2>Howard Schwartz was my cinematographer on this. Howard had been
<v Speaker 2>an assistant cameraman for Greg Toland on Magnificent Amberson's back
<v Speaker 2>in the forties, and I had done a lot of
<v Speaker 2>television and futures.
<v Speaker 1>He did have gun will travel.
<v Speaker 3>In the Blackman TV series and rich Man poor Man
<v Speaker 3>and went on to do a Wolf and such after
<v Speaker 3>this a pilot for me also called Cliffhangers, A wonderful
<v Speaker 3>big close up here to draw us into this and
<v Speaker 3>a little fast move into a two shot to emphasize
<v Speaker 3>the that something's cooking here. Okay, Howard and I from
<v Speaker 3>the beginning decided we wanted to have a feature of
<v Speaker 3>theatrical look on this. We were using slight filtration, a
<v Speaker 3>quarter double fog generally on most everything, and some nets
<v Speaker 3>in front of the camera to just give some softness.
<v Speaker 3>And there's a music here that takes us to commercial
<v Speaker 3>if I've.
<v Speaker 1>Ever heard one.
<v Speaker 2>Now, as a director, Ken, how do you how do
<v Speaker 2>you determine the shot you want to design?
<v Speaker 3>As a director, I'm always trying to find the shot
<v Speaker 3>that's going to enhance the scene. To me, it's very
<v Speaker 3>important that we first determined what the point of the
<v Speaker 3>scene is and then we figure out how we're going
<v Speaker 3>to shoot it that's going to most emphasize that point.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's very organic.
<v Speaker 3>It comes, I suppose from my theatrical train that's to
<v Speaker 3>Carnegie Mellon uh formerly Carnegie Tech No. One Mellon always
<v Speaker 3>has to be like something to eat with pro shudo.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't gotten quite used to that.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, you want to fucking you want to take a
<v Speaker 4>shot at me, You want to take a shot at winning?
<v Speaker 2>You old with kend of Johnson.
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna fucking do that after I decided you were
<v Speaker 4>a douchebag. Oh god, we can talk. Oh by the way,
<v Speaker 4>because it's not all about.
<v Speaker 2>Food and Ken, just for just for the record, what
<v Speaker 2>uh what's your favorite angle for the camera?
<v Speaker 1>I tend to put the.
<v Speaker 3>Camera a little bit low more often than not too
<v Speaker 3>I think it makes for more interesting camera angles.
<v Speaker 2>All right, interesting.
<v Speaker 4>Interesting Mine was when the horseman locked Dusty in the
<v Speaker 4>cage broke his mind's this.
<v Speaker 1>This is an example of a Dutch angle.
<v Speaker 3>Because of the canted angle of the camera, it remains
<v Speaker 3>interesting to watch.
<v Speaker 4>And somehow, somehow, Ken Johnson sounds a lot more legit
<v Speaker 4>when he goes on and on about angles and that
<v Speaker 4>guy did.
<v Speaker 2>I can I one last question? So, I mean we
<v Speaker 2>were talking about it here the Laps fan. We always
<v Speaker 2>say it's all about food. So my question is when
<v Speaker 2>it comes to food props used in your shows, such
<v Speaker 2>as perhaps sandwiches, do you do you have any preferences
<v Speaker 2>for that.
<v Speaker 3>I always have them used for props sandwiches that I like.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan of turkey sandwiches on whole wheat.
<v Speaker 3>I asked my dear friend Rick Denary, who was the
<v Speaker 3>prop master on the piece, and Terry Adams, his assistant props.
<v Speaker 1>I say, I think Bill would probably like a turkey
<v Speaker 1>on wheat.
<v Speaker 3>And they bring a couple of songs, so in any
<v Speaker 3>of my films, whatever they're eating, you can figure that.
<v Speaker 2>I you know, uh it.
<v Speaker 1>At some point too, I was like.
<v Speaker 4>I'm so glad because a minute ago, I was like,
<v Speaker 4>do I really insist on bringing it back to his
<v Speaker 4>remark about craft services?
<v Speaker 5>Like?
<v Speaker 2>It was like, you know, four minutes it passed, Do
<v Speaker 2>I really fling it back? I was like, I was
<v Speaker 2>like giggling.
<v Speaker 3>And.
<v Speaker 2>Play it again, play it again now.
<v Speaker 3>I always have them used for props sandwiches that I like.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan of turkey sandwiches on whole wheat.
<v Speaker 3>If I asked my dear friend Rick Denary, who was
<v Speaker 3>the prop master on the piece, and Terry Adams his
<v Speaker 3>assistant props, I said, he I think Bill would probably
<v Speaker 3>like a turkey on wheat and they bring me a
<v Speaker 3>couple extra ones. And so in any of my films,
<v Speaker 3>whatever they're eating, you can figure that I, you know,
<v Speaker 3>grabbed it at some point too.
<v Speaker 4>I am just I am just blowing, right man. I
<v Speaker 4>feel so vindicated. I feel so affirmed in this moment.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, come on, boss.
<v Speaker 2>To really bring the heat like that.
<v Speaker 6>The fuck.
<v Speaker 7>You know.
<v Speaker 2>So, I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here, I'm walking, I'm
<v Speaker 2>listening to this fucking commentary track all right as I'm
<v Speaker 2>as I'm putting shit together, and then he then he
<v Speaker 2>talks about Carnegie Mellon and he fucking says the pershudo saying.
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what the fuck, Like he actually
<v Speaker 2>said that on a commentary track, and I was like,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, oh shit balls.
<v Speaker 4>It's been a while since I got smacked in the
<v Speaker 4>face like that on a podcast, oh my. And you
<v Speaker 4>know interesting, I think the reason it's on my mind
<v Speaker 4>is because, like we posted our show going to the
<v Speaker 4>TD Garden for Johnson his last Boston resting appearance, and
<v Speaker 4>we went to the Caloon afterwards, you know, because that's
<v Speaker 4>where wrestlers go, but of course.
<v Speaker 2>It's closed to the public.
<v Speaker 4>It's like eleven thirty at night, and every other comment
<v Speaker 4>on the episode is like, shit, they didn't go in
<v Speaker 4>and get some food.
<v Speaker 2>I want to. They just want us to eat the food.
<v Speaker 2>They didn't care about John Seen, and they didn't care
<v Speaker 2>that we're fucking there. They want to They want us
<v Speaker 2>to do like a fucking food review.
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, I know what, and you know what I
<v Speaker 4>had done it if it was Ibens, for sure. But
<v Speaker 4>that's it, man. People are there for the food. There
<v Speaker 4>are food reactions, you know. That's like a whole industry
<v Speaker 4>on on on Instagram now and take tik for sure.
<v Speaker 4>It's look, folks, I mean every vacation you've had, you
<v Speaker 4>remember the meals. The meals are the anchor to your day.
<v Speaker 4>And if you choose wisely, it's a good day. If
<v Speaker 4>you choose poorly, it's a bad day. You tell me,
<v Speaker 4>it's not all about food. Come on, folks, and we're
<v Speaker 4>a week away from from the sandwich. Dude, I just
<v Speaker 4>thought about that today. I'm like thinking of my head.
<v Speaker 4>When's the right time to ask them to lay it
<v Speaker 4>all out. I'm just saying. The Survivors series live fall
<v Speaker 4>here on Patreon. It's a Saturday after Thanksgiving Oh listen,
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna all I'm saying, I guarantee you I'll be
<v Speaker 4>at least two in by that point, two sandwiches in
<v Speaker 4>at least and I think you might have to record
<v Speaker 4>yourself sizzling. Oh yeah, some things too. I mean several
<v Speaker 4>years ago we did it. We made it together. Well,
<v Speaker 4>I watched you make it.
<v Speaker 2>Was that before or after we fucking saw Undertaker's Dead
<v Speaker 2>Man Bitch Show?
<v Speaker 4>Oh, good question. I think it was just before we
<v Speaker 4>took off for for that, for that, for that night.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he was in you know he actually if
<v Speaker 2>we if we ate beforehand, then he was in a
<v Speaker 2>no win situation. No way, he was done downhill. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>it's all downhill after that. H Okay. So now I
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about Cranberry showing forth cranberry and and and
<v Speaker 2>potato find its way down the stuffing exactly exactly what
<v Speaker 2>that little bit of Manny's I'll tell you nothing. There's
<v Speaker 2>something so magical about Manny's and a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of and and and cranberry sauce like
<v Speaker 2>that sweet savory is just so.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it sounds like Ken Johnson would have been
<v Speaker 4>a fan of the sand.
<v Speaker 2>I think he would have been. He's there. I know,
<v Speaker 2>he's almost I don't know, it's a whole wheat, but
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's fine, whole wheat. But it's fine. It's fine, Kenny,
<v Speaker 2>I understand. It's almost like I mean, we say say terrible.
<v Speaker 2>That is how he says Hulk Hogan. True. Now, there
<v Speaker 2>is a concern in regards to Farigno and actually in
<v Speaker 2>regards to the Hulk as well. Overall, so including Richard
<v Speaker 2>Keel making the Hulk green, because it's not like he's
<v Speaker 2>in a costume and has to just have a green face.
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna have a green body. You know, he's basically,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in wrestling, he's in John Cena attire. Essentially,
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's wearing you know, georts in some in
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, their their pants, their torn pants.
<v Speaker 2>But essentially he's got as much bare skin as John
<v Speaker 2>Cena does. And uh, you got to make that green.
<v Speaker 2>And here's Kenny again. Ton even asked him this question.
<v Speaker 2>This is Kenny talking about oh, you know, it's not
<v Speaker 2>even that that whole thing. This is a different interview
<v Speaker 2>him talking about the development of the look of the Hulk.
<v Speaker 3>There was no green makeup available, and we finally found
<v Speaker 3>some in Germany, and it was grease paint, as opposed
<v Speaker 3>to the pancake makeup that people use most generally.
<v Speaker 2>In grease and pancakes.
<v Speaker 3>There we go film and television. The difference is that
<v Speaker 3>grease paint is waterproof, which is nice if you happen
<v Speaker 3>to be in the water, but it also is grease
<v Speaker 3>and it comes off on everything. I have sweatshirts upstairs
<v Speaker 3>that still have smudges of green where I bumped into
<v Speaker 3>lou f Forarigno, you know, thirty years ago, and everybody
<v Speaker 3>on the crew, I guarantee you has clothes that are
<v Speaker 3>like that. And it was it was a nightmare because
<v Speaker 3>Louis first had to get the prosthetic makeup put on
<v Speaker 3>that was designed by Werner Kepler, and then he would
<v Speaker 3>have to get the green makeup on top of that,
<v Speaker 3>and then he would get you know, this wonderful wig
<v Speaker 3>that we never never got right. I was always so
<v Speaker 3>frustrated no matter what we do it and did, it
<v Speaker 3>ended up looking like a fright wig. And then he
<v Speaker 3>had to get the body makeup, which took two people
<v Speaker 3>half an hour forty five minutes to put on every day,
<v Speaker 3>and that long to take off, and he had to
<v Speaker 3>be cleaned up between each between each take, and it
<v Speaker 3>came off in his dressing room. His whole inside of
<v Speaker 3>his motor home was completely covered in plastic because we
<v Speaker 3>had to be able to hose it down every night
<v Speaker 3>and start over.
<v Speaker 2>The next day. That crazy, Yeah, that is just ending
<v Speaker 2>a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And
<v Speaker 2>here's Lou. This is Lou talking about what the process
<v Speaker 2>was like for him.
<v Speaker 8>No, it's about three hour. Makeup costs said that they
<v Speaker 8>applied the forehead and nose, peet, they applied the grease
<v Speaker 8>makeup and the face took an an hour and a
<v Speaker 8>half and then the body took like another hour and
<v Speaker 8>a half and you had to wig the eyes and teeth.
<v Speaker 8>You talk about three to three and a half hours,
<v Speaker 8>if not more. It took an hour to take it off,
<v Speaker 8>and sometimes you have to take it off four o'clock
<v Speaker 8>in the morning, sometimes six o'clock in the morning, some
<v Speaker 8>time one o'clock in the morning, depends on the film
<v Speaker 8>it's schedule. But you know when the makeup was completed.
<v Speaker 8>I love three in the characterip, but to take it
<v Speaker 8>off with the fun part because it was over It's
<v Speaker 8>hard to stay in shape because I had a train
<v Speaker 8>maybe after I fielm because sometime they be filming. I
<v Speaker 8>told at fourteen hours, I would train maybe once or
<v Speaker 8>twice a week, and on weekend I would definitely train
<v Speaker 8>because I had the weekend off. I did most of
<v Speaker 8>the sun myself. I would say ninety ninety eight percent
<v Speaker 8>of the sun out there myself. It's hard to replace
<v Speaker 8>me as a sunman because of my physique.
<v Speaker 2>It was fun.
<v Speaker 8>We're going through a window, I mean, jumping out of
<v Speaker 8>you know, off scaffolds and everything, you know, sometimes could
<v Speaker 8>be a little and the tracking.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Vic Grimes there mentioned John Cen. I mean Hulk
<v Speaker 4>is kind of closer to Scena than Hogan in some
<v Speaker 4>ways because you've got jorts on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right exactly.
<v Speaker 4>That's fascinating. And just to have so little in the
<v Speaker 4>way of modern convenience when you have to sit there
<v Speaker 4>for hours getting your name. You don't look at your phone,
<v Speaker 4>there's no there's probably no television. Nope, you know, with
<v Speaker 4>the signal hooked up, that's.
<v Speaker 2>Probably have one event. We have a radio going. I
<v Speaker 2>bet there's music playing, and that's not it. That's all
<v Speaker 2>you get.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, you're just sitting there for hours.
<v Speaker 2>Awful. Yeah, I mean especially back then too, It's like
<v Speaker 2>that's that's also you know, even back then it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>that's even long too, like you know, you didn't have
<v Speaker 2>that kind of process really to have that much on
<v Speaker 2>a TV show, especially on a TV show of all things.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's great about it.
<v Speaker 4>It's like everyone involved knows that if we're going to
<v Speaker 4>do this, it's going to be a huge investment of
<v Speaker 4>time and money, so we better make sure that the
<v Speaker 4>costuming is worth it for the show, for the series,
<v Speaker 4>for what we're trying.
<v Speaker 2>To get across.
<v Speaker 4>You can't you can't be frivolous about it. You can't
<v Speaker 4>be you know, willy nilly about your special effects because
<v Speaker 4>it took so much time and money. They better add
<v Speaker 4>to the fucking production or it's wasted money. Whereas now
<v Speaker 4>I feel like you can just take flyers on all
<v Speaker 4>kinds of wacky shit in a movie and it's like, eh,
<v Speaker 4>you know it was it was a good try to
<v Speaker 4>make it more interesting visually. But if it doesn't work,
<v Speaker 4>we didn't you know, with a I we probably a
<v Speaker 4>single dime on it.
<v Speaker 2>Sad exactly.
<v Speaker 4>It used to mean something that when you watched a
<v Speaker 4>show like this, you knew that Lou Forigno and reality
<v Speaker 4>went through a hell of a lot yep, to look
<v Speaker 4>like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a there's, there's and there's and there's there
<v Speaker 2>is something you know because it's because it's it's it's
<v Speaker 2>it's a real person. It's not computer generating, right, it's tactile.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's you know, there's and and that. Actually, it's
<v Speaker 2>a great segue to the next thing that we're going
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. Because there is no CGI. There is
<v Speaker 2>no way to watch a Bill Bixby transform into uh
<v Speaker 2>a loof Forigna without cutaways, without cutting into other things
<v Speaker 2>and and trying to you have to create the idea
<v Speaker 2>that he's changing because you can't physically show that he's
<v Speaker 2>changing because there's analogies. Yeah, well, now you mean you
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be creative about it at all. You
<v Speaker 2>watch it. I mean you can watch you can see
<v Speaker 2>the bones growing and stuff like that, all because of
<v Speaker 2>the CGI and whatever great point any of the Marvel
<v Speaker 2>movies you watch now, and I'm not trying to take
<v Speaker 2>anything away from it. It's great that they can do that,
<v Speaker 2>but it is it's a challenge. It's a challenge, and it's.
<v Speaker 4>Just like what we say about used to be better
<v Speaker 4>at wrestling. It's like, you don't blame people in the
<v Speaker 4>modern day for doing it the way they do it.
<v Speaker 4>It's just well, there was there was a lot of
<v Speaker 4>merit behind the way it had to be done in
<v Speaker 4>the past, not the way people chose to do it,
<v Speaker 4>the way they it had to be done. Yes, exactly,
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot lost when the performers don't have to
<v Speaker 4>do that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And this is a clip of Ken Johnson on
<v Speaker 2>the director's commentary talking about he's watching the first transition
<v Speaker 2>and he's describing it as as it unfolds.
<v Speaker 3>And now we meet our our big green guy for
<v Speaker 3>the first time as he takes out his vengeance again.
<v Speaker 3>Very noire is very dark. You have no idea how
<v Speaker 3>hard it is to get a shot low looking up
<v Speaker 3>when it's raining on you, because the water gets all
<v Speaker 3>over the camera.
<v Speaker 9>There are.
<v Speaker 3>Lash guards that will knock the water off so that
<v Speaker 3>you can get a shot like that. And Hanky and
<v Speaker 3>the guys who of course had made lead fenders here
<v Speaker 3>so that Louie could smash them without breaking his hands.
<v Speaker 3>Lightweight tire here for nt a toss, although Luke probably
<v Speaker 3>have tossed the real one.
<v Speaker 1>At this point, lou was humongous. He was six foot four.
<v Speaker 1>He weigh about two hundred and fifty pounds.
<v Speaker 3>His biceps were twenty six inches around the largest arms
<v Speaker 3>there little cut from the one side there.
<v Speaker 4>Of course, what you tell me that didn't come from
<v Speaker 4>the Hulk too, Kenny largest arms in the world. Yep, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I know Billy Graham used to say that, but maybe
<v Speaker 4>he took it from Hulk too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, although twenty six inches, I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't think that was ever the case. I think, I
<v Speaker 2>think I think Ken Johnson's also Ken. He he also
<v Speaker 2>weighed more at the time. He Freignan says he weighed
<v Speaker 2>like two seven at the time, not two fifty. I know,
<v Speaker 2>I know for a normal person like Ken Johnson that
<v Speaker 2>two fifty seems like a lot of weight, but not
<v Speaker 2>for a wrestler or or a bodybuilder. And I think
<v Speaker 2>his arm for twenty two inches, I think they were
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, not twenty six. It could be wrong, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure he says they were twenty two for
<v Speaker 2>I always thought twenty four inch was what Hogan said
<v Speaker 2>to make sure that no one right bigger right, because
<v Speaker 2>I know that Forigno said like he he has said
<v Speaker 2>like bullshit that he had bigger arms than I did,
<v Speaker 2>although you know I never see them side by side,
<v Speaker 2>so who knows, So who knows? Anyway, back to the
<v Speaker 2>back to the transformation here off camera the act is wrong?
<v Speaker 2>Thing there? Wait where was? Yeah, this glass.
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't do that on a windshielded with the spider webs.
<v Speaker 3>But one of the impacts coming through and again we've
<v Speaker 3>rigged the car so that it could break down as
<v Speaker 3>he smashed on the top of it with the lead
<v Speaker 3>hood and a little help from special effects guys with
<v Speaker 3>their air rams to turn this over, and they got
<v Speaker 3>it balance so that Louie could pretty much do it himself.
<v Speaker 3>Then we have fifteen gallons of gasoline going up here
<v Speaker 3>Yankee set off boom.
<v Speaker 1>Louis was not happy. He almost turned and ran.
<v Speaker 2>I'm amazed that he didn't.
<v Speaker 3>This is a huge fireball and I know for those
<v Speaker 3>of you who probably have not been around such explosions,
<v Speaker 3>they are really hot and although they dissipate quickly, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>Louis afterwards said Kenny, whoa, he almost fried.
<v Speaker 2>Me here tremendous.
<v Speaker 4>Hey for a guy who's kinda eh on doing this,
<v Speaker 4>he'sood a pretty good job following it in right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He seems to really enjoy it when he's when
<v Speaker 2>he's fucking yeah, get into it, makes you, makes you wonder, makes.
<v Speaker 4>You man't want to give you don't get the wrong idea.
<v Speaker 2>But right yeah, the uh oh shit, there was something
<v Speaker 2>in there too, I just I thought of and I've
<v Speaker 2>forgotten right now, he said, rig well was it? Oh?
<v Speaker 2>I know so, because uh there there there as When
<v Speaker 2>the show went to series, especially there there was a
<v Speaker 2>rule that he could only change into the Hulk twice
<v Speaker 2>because the whole process of doing it was so expensive.
<v Speaker 2>But they that they couldn't afford to do there you go,
<v Speaker 2>more changes into the Hulk because it costs so much money.
<v Speaker 2>It made it.
<v Speaker 4>They made it count every time exactly. That's kind of
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, And that's kind of good because it's like,
<v Speaker 2>then you know, you're not just going to see him
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the show. You're gonna you might
<v Speaker 2>you'll see the Hulk earlier on as well, Like you know,
<v Speaker 2>you get two Hulks within your forty five minute episode. Right,
<v Speaker 2>It's like an ideally formatted version of raw. You get
<v Speaker 2>exactly exactly.
<v Speaker 4>The main event comes out first, then comes out at
<v Speaker 4>the end.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Now, despite not actually you know, playing the Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>you know, according to his ana biography and going to
<v Speaker 2>other sources as well well, Uh, Bill Bixby was known
<v Speaker 2>for having a bit of a temper on site at times.
<v Speaker 10>Off camera, the actor's intensity sometimes rivaled that of the Hulk.
<v Speaker 10>The pressures of carrying a weekly series and meeting his
<v Speaker 10>own high standards could be an explosive combination.
<v Speaker 3>Bill was very mercurial, and he could be incredibly manic
<v Speaker 3>and right in your face, you know. I mean Bill
<v Speaker 3>and I had nose to those confrontations a lot of
<v Speaker 3>the time, and and and that was Bill's way with
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>He'd just get right in, literally right in your face.
<v Speaker 1>And uh, and the.
<v Speaker 8>A couple of times on the set if I was late,
<v Speaker 8>I remember that look he gave me. Oh boy, do
<v Speaker 8>you ready thought she would be the Hulk?
<v Speaker 2>Even saying it, even Fregno's scared of him. Fucking hell. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's where we're talking.
<v Speaker 4>There was a darkness here, Yes, Billy.
<v Speaker 2>Talk a little bit more about it, Bill, hmm. Then
<v Speaker 2>you know there's also the voice of the Hulk, because
<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that Farigno wanted to do it, he
<v Speaker 2>did not do the voice of the Hulk. He had
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody else who did it. This is from You
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry, a Hulk companion book.
<v Speaker 2>The Hulk's growling is provided by Ted Cassidy, the tall
<v Speaker 2>six foot nine inch actor who played Lurch the butler
<v Speaker 2>on the popular sitcom The Adams Family. Cassidy is also
<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Hulk shows narrator, doing the iconic opening introduction
<v Speaker 2>when it became a weekly series. At the same time
<v Speaker 2>he was doing the opening narration and roaring for The
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk. Ted Cassidy also used his deep baritone voice
<v Speaker 2>for the animated Thing on Marvel's New Fantastic four cartoon
<v Speaker 2>and the radioactive reptile Godzilla on The Godzilla Power Hour.
<v Speaker 2>When Ted Cassidy passed away during the show's second season,
<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Johnson recruited Free Hulk guest Charles Napier to provide
<v Speaker 2>the sounds of the Hulk's angry outbursts. Napier, a handsome,
<v Speaker 2>tough Guy is a popular character actor, best known as
<v Speaker 2>the leader of the Good Old Boys and the Blues Brothers,
<v Speaker 2>and the unfortunate cop who becomes Doctor Lector's goorious victim.
<v Speaker 2>In Sounds of the Lambs, Napier did an impressive job
<v Speaker 2>with the Hulk's inarticulate raging quote. Both Ted and Charlie
<v Speaker 2>have these great this is Johnson, Ken Johnson. Both Ted
<v Speaker 2>and Charlie have these great deep voices, so deep they
<v Speaker 2>sound like they come straight from the center of the earth.
<v Speaker 2>The producer praises, you start with those amazing voices and
<v Speaker 2>then pitch it lower in post so they just sound inhuman.
<v Speaker 2>Ted also did such a great job with that introductory
<v Speaker 2>narration that whole doctor David Benner physician, scientists searching for
<v Speaker 2>a way to tap into the hidden strengths that all
<v Speaker 2>humans have opening. I saw no reason to change it
<v Speaker 2>when we lost him. It seemed a nice tribute to
<v Speaker 2>him to keep it on as it was. Charles Napier,
<v Speaker 2>who had been on the show a couple of times,
<v Speaker 2>also had a great deep voice. Charlie was doing an
<v Speaker 2>episode sounded really good, and he came in to do
<v Speaker 2>Hulk's growls. Charles was great at doing Hulk's voice, and
<v Speaker 2>he was always a good guest on the show. Even
<v Speaker 2>then I would pitch his growls down so they didn't
<v Speaker 2>sound human. They were both great guys to work with.
<v Speaker 2>Napier was amused to be the Hulk. Quote quote, it
<v Speaker 2>was funny when people ask I tell him, yep, I
<v Speaker 2>was the voice of the Hulk. Laughs. Charles Napier. Ted
<v Speaker 2>Cassidy did it for the first season, and when Ted died,
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Carea brought me in. Nick was a friend of
<v Speaker 2>mine and he was producing the show. So Nick called
<v Speaker 2>me up one day and then asks can you growl?
<v Speaker 2>I said, what the hell are you talking about? Nick?
<v Speaker 2>And he explains to me that we lost Ted Cassidy
<v Speaker 2>the other day and I heard your voice and I
<v Speaker 2>thought you might be able to do the voice of
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk. I said, oh, hell, I guess I can growl.
<v Speaker 2>I growled for him, and I got the job to
<v Speaker 2>voice the Hulk. I would look at the screen and
<v Speaker 2>follow for Rigno's expressions, some deep breathing as well as
<v Speaker 2>growls when he got mad, like raw stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>I did that for four years. Eventually he got screen
<v Speaker 2>credit quote, Oh yeah, you better believe it. Napier grins.
<v Speaker 2>We argued over that. I said, that's acting. It's the
<v Speaker 2>way that the Hulk talks. It was hard to do
<v Speaker 2>because when you growled for the Hulk, you had to
<v Speaker 2>do it for fifteen minutes at a stretch. I thought
<v Speaker 2>they would have to carry me out in a gurney
<v Speaker 2>when I did it the first time. It definitely took
<v Speaker 2>a lot out of you. His secret for the Hulk's
<v Speaker 2>guttural howls and growls quote. At the time, I was
<v Speaker 2>a smoker, so that made it easy. I've given up
<v Speaker 2>smoking since Napier ads, but I can still do the
<v Speaker 2>Hulk because of Hulk's voice and other sound effects. It
<v Speaker 2>took fourteen days, well fourteen days to dub The Incredible
<v Speaker 2>Hulk pilot movie, just the movie. It's crazy.
<v Speaker 9>Now.
<v Speaker 2>After the show went to series and became popular, they
<v Speaker 2>had a guest come on the show to go behind
<v Speaker 2>the scenes. And do you know who that guest was? No,
<v Speaker 2>Fred Rogers. Wow, mister Rogers, so we are going to watch,
<v Speaker 2>Yes we are, mister Rogers visit the set of The
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk to get a behind the scenes look, A
<v Speaker 2>very unique behind the scenes look of the show. Do
<v Speaker 2>you have my screen? All right? And here we.
<v Speaker 11>Go, Hello missus. Mcpheeley, it's Fred Rogers here. Yes, I'm
<v Speaker 11>about ready to go to the to the movie studios.
<v Speaker 2>Barnett.
<v Speaker 12>You know who he is. You know who the Incredible
<v Speaker 12>Hulk is, right, that's Lufigno.
<v Speaker 1>And there he is.
<v Speaker 6>That's what he looks like.
<v Speaker 12>I think a lot of you have seen The Incredible
<v Speaker 12>Hulk in Our daughter was about three four five years
<v Speaker 12>old and it was on late at night, about eight
<v Speaker 12>thirty past turn bet. She was supposed to be going
<v Speaker 12>to bed and instead she was watching The Incredible Hulk.
<v Speaker 12>She'd turn the TV set on and that just happened
<v Speaker 12>to be there. And the Incredible Hulk. The storyline is
<v Speaker 12>that he's a mild mannered man. When he gets mad,
<v Speaker 12>he bursts into the Incredible Hulk. So that was Lou
<v Speaker 12>Forigno who played that part. She had nightmares our daughter
<v Speaker 12>after seeing that. So I thought maybe we can call
<v Speaker 12>Universal Studios and find out if we could come and
<v Speaker 12>interview Lou Farigno and Bill Bixby while they were making
<v Speaker 12>The Incredible Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, how you doing?
<v Speaker 13>Thank you?
<v Speaker 2>How's a doing good?
<v Speaker 3>Thank you?
<v Speaker 11>Giving me, all right, if I watched Sure, I'm mister
<v Speaker 11>McFee today taking movies of your.
<v Speaker 2>God the progress, believe it.
<v Speaker 12>And we worked it out and and we showed children
<v Speaker 12>that pretend, you know, Liufing, We showed him getting into
<v Speaker 12>his makeup. They put green makeup all over them, and
<v Speaker 12>they put green contact lenses in his eyes, and they
<v Speaker 12>had a green fright wig on.
<v Speaker 11>Well, that's the way it is with all those superheroes
<v Speaker 11>and monsters and things on television. In the movie, right,
<v Speaker 11>they're just pictures or somebody dressed up in a costume.
<v Speaker 11>They're not real, but they often look real.
<v Speaker 12>We were showing children that this was pretend. You know,
<v Speaker 12>a lot of children even that Halloween, are afraid of Halloween.
<v Speaker 12>They're afraid of witches, they're they're afraid of monsters. They
<v Speaker 12>don't realize that it's a costume. And that was the
<v Speaker 12>purpose to show that Louffigno on Me Incredible Hulk as
<v Speaker 12>the Incredible Hulk is an actor pretending just like you
<v Speaker 12>would do it Halloween.
<v Speaker 11>But I was glad to show my television friends that
<v Speaker 11>because it's important to realize that people just don't change
<v Speaker 11>shape and change color. That's all just sort of movie business.
<v Speaker 12>So that's the reason wether we had Lou Forigno on
<v Speaker 12>the program.
<v Speaker 14>This is about twelve hours later after a long day,
<v Speaker 14>and here it comes the weak it's coming off. Now
<v Speaker 14>he takes the forehead off and just pull dread off.
<v Speaker 2>Does that hurt?
<v Speaker 15>Well, it looks like it does, but he's just glad
<v Speaker 15>to get it off, I would imagine. So that's the forehead,
<v Speaker 15>he says, it comes to nose.
<v Speaker 2>Imagine his work all part.
<v Speaker 14>And here's some special solution that takes the green makeup off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have the whole that fucking shit to take
<v Speaker 2>that that grease paint off. That's a great look at
<v Speaker 2>it too. Yeah yep.
<v Speaker 4>And and look if there's any doubt where he gets
<v Speaker 4>tearing the shirt from and having the rips on the
<v Speaker 4>back of his shirt.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like it's all there, it's all there.
<v Speaker 2>It's all there. So come the fall, Come the Fall.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody is you know, it's now now they're hyping it up.
<v Speaker 2>Now they want people to watch. Now they're talking about it,
<v Speaker 2>and now everything's okay. It's all over the newspapers. They're
<v Speaker 2>also talking about another Marvel series because they were also
<v Speaker 2>doing spider Man The Incredible Spider Man Live Action TV series,
<v Speaker 2>which is absolutely atrocious if you've ever seen it, and
<v Speaker 2>I used to watch it as a kid, I saw
<v Speaker 2>I had like video, I had the VHS ones of it,
<v Speaker 2>clamshell type VHS box of yep, and it's just like
<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just horrendous, just absolutely horrendous. The Amazing
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man Yep, yep, yep. Because he's like also like
<v Speaker 2>he's like thirty, like Peter Parker's like thirty years old.
<v Speaker 2>And it was like, what doesn't worry? Why are you
<v Speaker 2>doing that? They can't do that. That's fucking ridiculous. But
<v Speaker 2>here this is a TV promo for the show I
<v Speaker 2>thought would be interesting.
<v Speaker 5>I'm hearing Friday after wonder Woman, it's the all new
<v Speaker 5>Incredible Hulk. Radiation experiment has unleased the Mutation, turning David
<v Speaker 5>Benner into a superhuman beast whenever he becomes angered.
<v Speaker 16>Jill Bixby stars.
<v Speaker 5>In The Incredible Hulk, Remembering Friday at nine eight Central and.
<v Speaker 2>Hod watch oh yeah, fucking watch yeah, and uh yeah
<v Speaker 2>it was. The Incredible Hulk premiered on CBS November fourth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, at eight pm. Uh. It ranked number
<v Speaker 2>thirty four in the weekly ratings, the old one. I
<v Speaker 2>thought I had put down the actual rating. I'm pretty
<v Speaker 2>sure I I found the actual rating. M Now I
<v Speaker 2>need to find it because must know, we must know.
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen seventy seven Spider Man does not look good. Oh
<v Speaker 2>it's awful. Look the costume is atrocious. It's just a no,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's what I mean. It's just a fucking shit show.
<v Speaker 2>It's just an absolute, absolute disaster.
<v Speaker 4>Is posing in front of the twin towers.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm right right, I don't know. I thought it
<v Speaker 2>was well either way. It did very well. I did
<v Speaker 2>very well. I do have numbers for later seasons coming up.
<v Speaker 2>But this is but like I said before, it wasn't
<v Speaker 2>It didn't go right to series, all right. There was
<v Speaker 2>another TV movie that they had made or that they
<v Speaker 2>were making, that would air a few weeks later that
<v Speaker 2>would kind of push it over the edge. This is
<v Speaker 2>again we're going to turn to You wouldn't like me
<v Speaker 2>when I'm angry. The Incredible Hulk pilot garnered huge ratings,
<v Speaker 2>but did not immediately go into a television series. A
<v Speaker 2>TV movie sequel had already been commissioned. Quote. We did
<v Speaker 2>that because Bud Grant, who was running CBS at the time,
<v Speaker 2>didn't think Hulk could make a series. Johnson says it
<v Speaker 2>actually took several meetings before we convinced him that an
<v Speaker 2>ongoing series would have Before we convinced him that an
<v Speaker 2>ongoing series would have any potential. I agree to do
<v Speaker 2>two movies, one of which would be the Genesis of
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk, and the other would show what an episode
<v Speaker 2>of the ongoing series would be like. Nineteen seventies television
<v Speaker 2>was not a conducive time or place for colicbook superheroes.
<v Speaker 2>The biggest genre TV hit of the seventies was The
<v Speaker 2>six Million Dollar Man, which emphasized that a superhero did
<v Speaker 2>not need a spandex costume, but merely a track suit
<v Speaker 2>to thwart evil. This was probably a reaction against the
<v Speaker 2>Adam West Batman TV show of the nineteen sixties, which
<v Speaker 2>embraced the character's costume culture with a vengeance. In the seventies,
<v Speaker 2>TV producers shied away from a superhero's look in the
<v Speaker 2>comics lest they be accused of camp even a premise
<v Speaker 2>that should have lent itself to a fantastic situations like
<v Speaker 2>The Man from Atlantis spent most of their episodes with
<v Speaker 2>Patrick Duffy in a man Fish as a man fish
<v Speaker 2>from the fabled city wandering around Los Angeles in a windbreaker. Ghosts, monsters,
<v Speaker 2>and robots weren't used until these shows were in dire
<v Speaker 2>ratings trouble and about to be canceled. Then and only
<v Speaker 2>then would they give viewers these fantastic elements. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>they would desperately go overboard with the fantasy after spending
<v Speaker 2>most of a series only grudgingly giving viewers what they wanted.
<v Speaker 2>The networks even took characters famous for their costumes, like
<v Speaker 2>Captain America and Doctor Strange, and stuck them in jeans,
<v Speaker 2>muscle shirts, or a seventies leisure suit, using whatever costume
<v Speaker 2>the characters had in the comics only sparingly. Captain America's
<v Speaker 2>mask was reduced to a half assed motorcycle helmet that
<v Speaker 2>showed his face. Look that up. Look up nineteen seventies
<v Speaker 2>Captain America TV movie. Oh sure, yeah, look it up,
<v Speaker 2>because it's absolutely atrocious what they do. It's absolutely gross.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, Like seriously, he just has like bomber
<v Speaker 4>glasses on under it there it's open.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like, why would you, Like, it's not even it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even look like an idiot. It's so stupid, Like
<v Speaker 2>this is I mean, he looks like a stunt guy.
<v Speaker 2>He looks like fucking he does like Morana's and goes
<v Speaker 2>as baseballs baseball. Yeah, like what, like what a fucking idiot?
<v Speaker 2>Like this guy's gonna say the day he's a fucking moron,
<v Speaker 2>Like shoot him like evil evil, Yeah, exactly, That's what
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of. That's what I was trying to
<v Speaker 2>think of. Evil evil.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, my god, this what a joke. Yeah, what
<v Speaker 4>a difference it makes to not have eye holes right
<v Speaker 4>in the Captain American mass doesn't have them.
<v Speaker 2>And to like wear a cap instead of a fucking
<v Speaker 2>giant Like, what are you thinking? We're in a motorcycle helmet.
<v Speaker 2>Look at a fucking doufish mushroom on your head. You
<v Speaker 2>look like Toadstool from fucking Super Mario Brothers. You know, idiots. Ironically,
<v Speaker 2>Wonder Woman, the only comic book character done faithfully on
<v Speaker 2>TV at the time, in her tiara, bulletproof bracelets and
<v Speaker 2>full red, white and blue garb lasso and invisible plane,
<v Speaker 2>was an immediate hit. Hulk didn't need a costume as
<v Speaker 2>his green skin and shredded clothes basically function as his
<v Speaker 2>quote uniform, taking lively interesting comic book comic book characters,
<v Speaker 2>tripping them of their quirks, and putting them into routine
<v Speaker 2>crime shows where their personalities were muted. Supervillains were banned,
<v Speaker 2>and most of the situations were one of the mill. Terrorists, gangsters,
<v Speaker 2>or muggers all but doomed. The TV superheroes who showed
<v Speaker 2>up in the post Star Wars boom boomtown of late
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies network TV. The Amazing Spider Man, which debuted
<v Speaker 2>on CBS the same time as The Incredible Hulk, was
<v Speaker 2>neither Amazing nor spider Man. The character lost his woody,
<v Speaker 2>acerbic personality and spent most of his time battling the
<v Speaker 2>usual kidnappers and robbers, even getting into car chases, chases
<v Speaker 2>that any TV detective could handle. He hardly ever, wore
<v Speaker 2>the red blue tights and masks that he is best
<v Speaker 2>known for. The uh you shoot. Actually, even while we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about it, watch the the opening credits. Just watch
<v Speaker 2>it because it's of Captain America or the Amazing Spider
<v Speaker 2>Man from the Seven from seven. Yeah, yeah, okay, because
<v Speaker 2>it's because I remember, like watching him crawl is just
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's a joke. It's an absolute joke. Oh really,
<v Speaker 2>all let's see, yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Kind of I've seen this. Oh my god, looks hard.
<v Speaker 4>Looks like a mockery of Spider Man. Yeah, right, it
<v Speaker 4>looks like the climb, right, I mean it looks like
<v Speaker 4>it looks like Spider Man in Times Square, you know,
<v Speaker 4>or in Hollywood Boulevard.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does.
<v Speaker 4>Looks like a guy dressed up like Spider Man for right,
<v Speaker 4>for trying to take your money to take pictures with kids.
<v Speaker 2>This is awful, rotten, so bad, starring Nicholas Hammond as
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man.
<v Speaker 4>And a man on the phone, Robert Simon another woman
<v Speaker 4>on the phone, Jim Fields. Name name name name, damey,
<v Speaker 4>dame name me, dame name me, dame name name name Dane.
<v Speaker 2>Who am Is that him on the fucking building? Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god? I mean also, like that's the thing. He's
<v Speaker 2>so so looking at it. He's like like looking around me.
<v Speaker 2>You can't fucking see, you know, like that fucking outfit,
<v Speaker 2>Like how slow he's timing on the on the on
<v Speaker 2>the It's such a joke, Like it's so awful, those
<v Speaker 2>seventies is what they had to do. Man, I know,
<v Speaker 2>I get it, I get it, but man, it's just
<v Speaker 2>like it's so poorly done.
<v Speaker 4>But it does make the Hulk with freak now much
<v Speaker 4>more impressive.
<v Speaker 2>It does, it absolutely does, no question, no question. And
<v Speaker 2>when we go back to the uh uh here or
<v Speaker 2>was I Robert uh? The Incredible Hulk was different from
<v Speaker 2>all those loud, stupid shows they say stupid in the book,
<v Speaker 2>A quiet, sensitive and thoughtful series. It still managed to
<v Speaker 2>deliver action adventure. What made Hulk stand out is the
<v Speaker 2>way Kenneth Johnson took the premise seriously. He tried to
<v Speaker 2>inject an earnest realism into the amazing concept in the
<v Speaker 2>excuse Me, in the pilot and earliest episodes. What he
<v Speaker 2>changes back from the Hulk. David Banner is always exhausted, confused,
<v Speaker 2>dehydrated and quite thirsty. He hasn't neverdundant. If you're dehydrated,
<v Speaker 2>aren't you quite thirsty? Pretty much? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>So was.
<v Speaker 2>Roller. I know you remember, just you knew he always
<v Speaker 2>had a six pack, the ice in the lock. You're
<v Speaker 2>damn fucking right, and you just remember, you know, you knew,
<v Speaker 2>you knew he had you knew he was working hard
<v Speaker 2>when his scullet was just drenched.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, we all know the texture of the hair
<v Speaker 4>when Hulk is it monarios at peak exertion. Yeah yeah,
<v Speaker 4>if it's still if it's still fluffy and dry, he's
<v Speaker 4>not working hard, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Uh. I keep losing my spot here, as you imagine
<v Speaker 2>one would be after gaining and dropping that much body mass.
<v Speaker 2>His feelings of guilt and remorse after changing back to
<v Speaker 2>human are also realistic. When Banner changes back after his
<v Speaker 2>first line out as the Hulk, he mournfully says, oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, my god. Little touches like this helped sell
<v Speaker 2>the premise to the viewing audience. The pilot was actually
<v Speaker 2>released as a movie in Europe. When it where it
<v Speaker 2>became an immediate hit in cinema, so it was released
<v Speaker 2>theatrically like Twin Peaks. Was wow. Quote that was amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Johnson chuckles. My first Hulk was actually released in
<v Speaker 2>overseas movie theater and became the top grossing film for
<v Speaker 2>two months in France. Universal made a potful of money
<v Speaker 2>from that, about seven or eight million dollars. A year later,
<v Speaker 2>I got a really peculiar check from the studio. I asked,
<v Speaker 2>what's it for? They said, that's your share of the
<v Speaker 2>profits from The Incredible Hulk's European theatrical release. My share
<v Speaker 2>of the eight million dollars was six dollars and forty cents. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>damn fucking rish exactly now? How was it received? How
<v Speaker 2>was Incredible Hulk Pilot received when it aired? This is
<v Speaker 2>the La Times. They said, The Incredible Hulk is incredible, alright,
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't mean it isn't also lots of fun
<v Speaker 2>and even poignant. Besides, wisely, Johnson has played everything absolutely straight,
<v Speaker 2>which makes various moments of unintended humor all the funnier,
<v Speaker 2>but also gives you this universal TV film a serious
<v Speaker 2>enough tone to keep it from sliding into outright camp.
<v Speaker 4>Wow, this thing has taken a lot more seriously than
<v Speaker 4>I realized.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it really was. It really was, to be sure,
<v Speaker 2>our first side of Farigno, who has been given besides
<v Speaker 2>a green tinge a grotesque Neanderthal visage, is hilarious, as
<v Speaker 2>are various bits of dialogue, such as Miss Sullivan's remark
<v Speaker 2>to the raging Farigno, just let me get a blood sample.
<v Speaker 2>It won't hurt you. However, despite such lapses which brother
<v Speaker 2>which after all, only add to the fun, The Incredible
<v Speaker 2>Hulk has been painstakingly crafted and effectively invokes primordial motifs
<v Speaker 2>from Frankenstein, Doctor Jacklin, mister Hyde, and King Kong. Actors
<v Speaker 2>never get prizes for performances and shows like this, but
<v Speaker 2>Bixby and Miss Sullivan, a witty, elegant beauty who reminds
<v Speaker 2>one of Lauren McCall, are certainly deserving of accolades. The Bloomington,
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Herald Times said, The Incredible Hulk is a very
<v Speaker 2>good film. Forget the title, which makes it sound like
<v Speaker 2>a comic strip, even if it is based on a
<v Speaker 2>very popular comic book character. What it is is a
<v Speaker 2>classic horror story, written, produced, in directed by Kenneth Johnson.
<v Speaker 2>He can be proud of this film. Wow. The Hartford Current, however,
<v Speaker 2>not as not as a celebratory The Incredible Hulk, a
<v Speaker 2>CBS special tonight, is an incredible dud, a Doctor Jekyl
<v Speaker 2>and mister Hyde tale of monstrously boring and dreadful proportions. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>No amount of ponderous quasi quote philosophizing about anger and
<v Speaker 2>evil could possibly save this piece of junk from Going
<v Speaker 2>Down the Drain, Hulk, Bulk, Bilge and all. Although maimed
<v Speaker 2>by pretension and afflicted with a lead footed pace, the
<v Speaker 2>two hour film deliberately avoids camping up any of its trite,
<v Speaker 2>malformed plot line. If all this had been camped up,
<v Speaker 2>it would have at least been deliberately amusing. As it is, though,
<v Speaker 2>it's just ridiculous, pompous and a bore. Wow. Somebody should
<v Speaker 2>have put the incredible Hulk out of its misery long
<v Speaker 2>before it hits the screen to night at eight on
<v Speaker 2>WFSBTV Channel three. Damn, don't let Ken sy that one.
<v Speaker 2>Seriously fucking hard. I'm going to do Ivan Hoe. I
<v Speaker 2>hope you know that. Yeah, fuck that not in Hardford,
<v Speaker 2>your aint. The Kurant is going to fucking take you
<v Speaker 2>to town. Motherfucker ivan Hoe. Take the Ivan out and
<v Speaker 2>you get my exact opinion of Ken Johnson. So the
<v Speaker 2>second movie. The second TV movie aired November twenty eighth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, So just a few weeks. Three weeks
<v Speaker 2>after equally successful as the pilot, very very very you know,
<v Speaker 2>well received and watched, so CBS commissioned a ten episode
<v Speaker 2>first season, which started airing in March of nineteen seventy eight,
<v Speaker 2>continued through the end of May. The first season averaged
<v Speaker 2>a twenty point four rating, ranking twenty sixth for the year,
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty remarkable, I think for a you know,
<v Speaker 2>basically a live action cartoon, adult cartoon, you know, season
<v Speaker 2>two average. They then season two, season three, and seven
<v Speaker 2>season four all had your typical twenty twenty two to
<v Speaker 2>twenty you know episode seasons, and so seven two average
<v Speaker 2>an eighteen rating ranged forty fourth, so it went down
<v Speaker 2>a bit. Season three came back up a little bit
<v Speaker 2>to number forty two, tying with the Waltons with an
<v Speaker 2>eighteen point seven rating. Season four dipped to forty six,
<v Speaker 2>tying with a Loha Paradise on ABC. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck that is, but that just sounded amazing
<v Speaker 2>to me, with a seventeen point five rating. Then season
<v Speaker 2>five jumped up to thirty five, but I couldn't, unfortunately
<v Speaker 2>find the actual rating that it got. But it jumped
<v Speaker 2>up to thirty five, which is a great way to
<v Speaker 2>go out. Honestly, now, I think it's safe to say
<v Speaker 2>that Hulk MAINI, as opposed to Hulkamania, was running wild.
<v Speaker 2>The Hulk. Okay, the Hulk was actually featured in commercials.
<v Speaker 2>All right, this is one for Sears. I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>share my screen with you, yes, and we're going to watch.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to watch this commercial of Sears featuring featuring
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk thirty nine. Okay, and.
<v Speaker 1>This Sears Flex flags make you look great no matter
<v Speaker 1>who you are, day Flex. They then it's incredible and so.
<v Speaker 3>Incredible this week.
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, you're gonna do it, Timmy. So here we go.
<v Speaker 4>When commercials were earnest, they tried to communicate good feeling
<v Speaker 4>and not flipping with irony when they actually said, you
<v Speaker 4>know what, even if the world isn't like this, our
<v Speaker 4>ads can pretend it is. Exactly create an actual aspirational
<v Speaker 4>consumer instead of a consumer that's just doubling down on.
<v Speaker 2>Who they already are. Yep, exactly. Just terrific.
<v Speaker 4>So they have a guy there in you know, businesswear,
<v Speaker 4>and they're emphasizing how flexible and stretchable the clothing is
<v Speaker 4>by having it rip apart, like you know, like the
<v Speaker 4>Hulk with his green musculature. Yeah, it's it's spectacular and
<v Speaker 4>it's not even like you know, they don't call out Hulk.
<v Speaker 4>It's not like what it's the Incredible Hulk. He's just
<v Speaker 4>subtly referenced in the in the ad. Yeah, because that's
<v Speaker 4>how it's subtle begin my point.
<v Speaker 2>No, but that's how that's how, that's how much the
<v Speaker 2>Hulk was like in the culture, you know, right and
<v Speaker 2>the uh So, the series was canceled after season five,
<v Speaker 2>and at the time it held a fairly distinct record.
<v Speaker 3>The Hull incidentally, was the longest running television series based
<v Speaker 3>on a on a comic character, and I think it
<v Speaker 3>had to do a lot with the fact that we
<v Speaker 3>just played against that sort of comic book origin.
<v Speaker 2>All the way. Yeah, I did. That was the longest
<v Speaker 2>running comic book superhero TV series, which is impressive. And again,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I can remember it as a kid, like
<v Speaker 2>watching reruns on on on channels and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>because it did go into syndication right after it was canceled.
<v Speaker 2>They went into syndication, so it was always playing, which
<v Speaker 2>is one of those things. Do you remember as a kid,
<v Speaker 2>did you think that shows were still airing when you'd
<v Speaker 2>see reruns, Like yes, because you didn't know any better
<v Speaker 2>at the time, like you just see it. They could
<v Speaker 2>tell if they came out at awkward times. Yeah, Like
<v Speaker 2>I kind of figured if a show was on at
<v Speaker 2>three thirty in the afternoon that it probably wasn't first run.
<v Speaker 2>But but I figured what I always assumed was that
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like it was Yeah, yeah, it may not
<v Speaker 2>be airing. It's like it's a brand new episode, but
<v Speaker 2>if it's airing now, it's going to be a show
<v Speaker 2>that's on the air.
<v Speaker 4>Net on the air that there are new episodes right
<v Speaker 4>in primetime and runs.
<v Speaker 2>But there weren't, And in fact, the Hulk lay dormant
<v Speaker 2>for six years until nineteen eighty eight, when a new
<v Speaker 2>made for TV film, The Incredible Hulk Returns, Yes, debuted.
<v Speaker 2>Now I want you to think about this timeline. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Season five of The Hulk of the Incredible Hulk TV
<v Speaker 2>show ended in nineteen eighty two, before the rise of
<v Speaker 2>Hulk Cogan. Then let's say that again the series ended.
<v Speaker 2>So season five of the Incredible Hulk TV series ended
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty two, before the rise of Hulk Cogan.
<v Speaker 2>Then The Incredible Hulk Returns movie premiere in nineteen eighty eight. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>after like in the prime of Hulk Hogan's popularity. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>now I have no hard evidence to prove that this
<v Speaker 2>was the case that they revived it because of Hulk Hogan.
<v Speaker 2>But I think of it like this, Oh interesting, But
<v Speaker 2>I think of it like this, Who owns the Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Hogan name? Right, Marvel? And they see, well, fuck, this
<v Speaker 2>guy's getting used to Look at the time, look at
<v Speaker 2>the timing. So Hogan becomes huge in eighty five right now,
<v Speaker 2>it would take I mean, I don't know about TV
<v Speaker 2>movie as much, but if it were a movie movie,
<v Speaker 2>it would take three years to get a movie together.
<v Speaker 2>And you have it, you know, get your group to,
<v Speaker 2>get your creative team together, get a script written, get
<v Speaker 2>it filmed, and get it edited to put it out
<v Speaker 2>on TV. Again. Might be a little bit shorter with TV.
<v Speaker 2>Might be a little bit, but still, like you got
<v Speaker 2>to imagine in eighty five, someone in Marvel's gotta be thinking,
<v Speaker 2>am I gonna be seeing thisself? Dude? Let's fucking let's
<v Speaker 2>let's ride this wave here, we get Hult the Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>we could bring the Hulk back. Hulk Hogan's based on
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk. We own Hulk Hogan's name. Let's you know,
<v Speaker 2>I think that there is definitely somebody who who who who?
<v Speaker 2>Made that suggestion. Who was watching wrestling or at least
<v Speaker 2>you know, got wind of pop culture and.
<v Speaker 4>They had already and this is to come in the
<v Speaker 4>complete Hulk Hogan of course worked out a deal where
<v Speaker 4>you know, they were allowed to use the name, right is,
<v Speaker 4>so long as they you know, shouted out, and so
<v Speaker 4>she shared revenue with Marvel Comics, right exactly. So it
<v Speaker 4>wasn't like it was some kind of you know, something
<v Speaker 4>that had to be worked out, had already done worked
<v Speaker 4>out at eventine in a way that could smooth it
<v Speaker 4>and both ways. And again, I they and and I
<v Speaker 4>imagine that they are like, let's just fucking milk this
<v Speaker 4>because especially, you know, I mean at this point, Marvel
<v Speaker 4>was pretty was in a very big dominant period in
<v Speaker 4>the eighties, you know, in terms of comic book So
<v Speaker 4>I imagine they're just like, let's just fucking milk this
<v Speaker 4>shit while we can.
<v Speaker 2>Did you come across.
<v Speaker 4>Anything that suggested that Arnold auditioned for the Hulk role.
<v Speaker 2>I have gotten some things that said that they were
<v Speaker 2>thinking about him or they talked to him about it.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, how all these other guys got offered Rocky movies?
<v Speaker 2>Right right?
<v Speaker 17>You know?
<v Speaker 2>I never heard. I don't think I heard him actually
<v Speaker 2>say it, but I've heard other people say that they
<v Speaker 2>talk to him about it or they were considering him,
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I don't know how seriously he was,
<v Speaker 2>but it was around the same time as for Rigno
<v Speaker 2>was initially being considered before they went with Richard Keel.
<v Speaker 2>It's all around that time. But one of the reasons
<v Speaker 2>I think why they went with while they would prefer
<v Speaker 2>for Igno anyways, because he is taller and bigger than
<v Speaker 2>Schwarzenegger was, is you know, like everything.
<v Speaker 18>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Scarno
<v Speaker 18>and JP Sorro.
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Now what's great is that, you know, even though Bill
<v Speaker 2>Bixby was so Ken Johnson, No, he's done, he's out
<v Speaker 2>of it, he's out of a picture now, he's gone
<v Speaker 2>bye bye. But Bill Bixby is now like this is
<v Speaker 2>my baby now, like he is all about it, and
<v Speaker 2>he is very attached to the character but also the property.
<v Speaker 19>And.
<v Speaker 2>He I believe it was. He sounds like he had
<v Speaker 2>a deal with New World Cinema, which, if you remember
<v Speaker 2>from way way way back when we talked about New
<v Speaker 2>World Cinema as a distributor h and at a production
<v Speaker 2>house way back with Hell Comes to Frogtown. Okay, they
<v Speaker 2>were the they were behind Hell Comes to Frogtown and whatnot.
<v Speaker 2>So there and this was kind of their heyday this
<v Speaker 2>period of time. So Bixby has a deal with them,
<v Speaker 2>and at this time, so does Marvel. Marvel has a
<v Speaker 2>deal with New World Cinema. So Biggs told Comic Scene magazine, quote,
<v Speaker 2>there's a loyal following of people who want to know
<v Speaker 2>what happened after Banner hit the road that last time.
<v Speaker 2>Now we're going to let them know. When the idea
<v Speaker 2>of the reunion film came up, I sat and sat
<v Speaker 2>down and ran and ran the original pilot just to
<v Speaker 2>reacquaint myself with the Hulk. It was pure dynamite. Even
<v Speaker 2>eleven years after the fact, I'm not playing him that
<v Speaker 2>much different. Banner is a little bit more mature, and
<v Speaker 2>he has settled down to the point where he can
<v Speaker 2>have a satisfying relationship with a woman. Basically, he's still
<v Speaker 2>the same sensitive, compassionate individual, but he is now finally
<v Speaker 2>on the verge of getting away from this alter ego
<v Speaker 2>who has made his life a living hell. Now, they
<v Speaker 2>wanted to add he is all about it, and he
<v Speaker 2>brings in he brings in one of the other directors.
<v Speaker 2>We mentioned his name before, Nick Nick something, or rather,
<v Speaker 2>where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Charles
<v Speaker 2>Napier was brought in by him Nick Nick uh Nick Korea.
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Korea, He's brought I think it is Nicholas Korea
<v Speaker 2>who's brought into direct The Incredible Hulk returns and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I just want to verify this and that I'm all
<v Speaker 2>on the right track here. Yes, oh yeah, wait, yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Corea, Yes, okay, great, So he's he comes into
<v Speaker 2>direct and the uh, the they but Marvel wanted to
<v Speaker 2>do a little bit. They wanted to change things up
<v Speaker 2>this a little bit. They wanted a little of a twist,
<v Speaker 2>and this was now incorporating other Marvel characters into the
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk formula, And so they brought in Thor. Thor
<v Speaker 2>was actually brought in, and it's a slightly better Thor
<v Speaker 2>than the one we've seen with Kevin Nash, but still
<v Speaker 2>not great. Like it's kind of it's kind of cheesy.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So they started bringing other other properties in
<v Speaker 2>with the with the intent of using it as a
<v Speaker 2>backdoor pilot. They wanted to use the TV movie as
<v Speaker 2>a backdoor pilot for Thor to have its own have
<v Speaker 2>its own series didn't happen, But here's an interview. This
<v Speaker 2>is an interview with bix and Farigno on Noonday the
<v Speaker 2>mid day show Noonday on w x I, a TV
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta.
<v Speaker 7>Bill Bixby has that funny look in his eyes.
<v Speaker 8>Again.
<v Speaker 7>If these guys were smart, they wouldn't make him mad.
<v Speaker 1>It's been six.
<v Speaker 7>Years since the Hulk flex's often green body, and back
<v Speaker 7>by popular demand, the Hulp return this Sunday night in
<v Speaker 7>a Maid for TD movie. We have those two wonderful
<v Speaker 7>men with us who play the Hulk and who look
<v Speaker 7>very good in a shade of green.
<v Speaker 1>Bill Bixy and Luferigno.
<v Speaker 2>Hello, how are you? Lolies?
<v Speaker 7>Now I can understand why the Hulk is so popular.
<v Speaker 7>I was thinking about it today. He's a little bit
<v Speaker 7>of the gentlest that we've seen in Frankenstein and the Mystery.
<v Speaker 1>Of Jekyll and Hyde. How do you see him?
<v Speaker 20>No, I think you're absolutely light. It's the all Tho
<v Speaker 20>e ego that most of us would like to have,
<v Speaker 20>most of it. I think, at one time or another
<v Speaker 20>would like to vent our anger in some meaningful way,
<v Speaker 20>and I think that's what the Hulk requisents.
<v Speaker 7>Now, what's different about this reprise role of the Hulk.
<v Speaker 1>What are we going to see?
<v Speaker 20>Well, you're going to see the Hulk that you've seen before,
<v Speaker 20>except that we are adding another superhero. The idea at
<v Speaker 20>New World was to make a series of movies at
<v Speaker 20>the Incredible Hulk, but to include, since they own Marvel
<v Speaker 20>comics of which the Hulk is won, a different superhero
<v Speaker 20>in each movie. And that's the idea. The first one,
<v Speaker 20>of course, will be the Mighty.
<v Speaker 1>Four O four.
<v Speaker 7>Now, lou are you going to play the Mighty four too?
<v Speaker 7>You got the body for it.
<v Speaker 8>Well, I think I'll play the Hulk this time because
<v Speaker 8>of the Vida the winner and the fight.
<v Speaker 7>Scene, and there's also such a gentle side to the Hulk.
<v Speaker 7>Oh you know you're both green right now? I'm green too.
<v Speaker 7>Oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did some cheap coloring.
<v Speaker 7>Its stupid, I know, easy, it is an easy being green.
<v Speaker 7>I'm the Hulk woman sort of What even up to
<v Speaker 7>in the years in between the first Hulk on TV
<v Speaker 7>and now this new movie coming up?
<v Speaker 8>I'm a series I went in to Feedo. Just starting
<v Speaker 8>to be a trained actor, and I'll study all the
<v Speaker 8>time now. And I'm five feature film in Europe and
<v Speaker 8>I'm having a new one coming now called All Fair
<v Speaker 8>of the Comedy or started Color into your Seagul.
<v Speaker 7>Coming out in this country. Also, you made it in Europe,
<v Speaker 7>but they're coming out in this country, so then.
<v Speaker 2>We'll be able to see that movie.
<v Speaker 1>Very good.
<v Speaker 7>What about Hugil, what have you been up to?
<v Speaker 20>Well, most I have been directing. I'm in the past
<v Speaker 20>five years. I've directed much more than I've performed. So
<v Speaker 20>it's sort of nice to be back on camera again.
<v Speaker 7>I'm sorry I missed the last one you were saying.
<v Speaker 20>I just said it's nice to be back on camera
<v Speaker 20>again as an actor.
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 20>I've just in that I have been directing for the
<v Speaker 20>past five or six years, much more than I've been performing.
<v Speaker 7>But we are looking forward to seeing the two of
<v Speaker 7>you in those worlds. I'm sure it'll be a lot
<v Speaker 7>of fun. Thanks for joining us this afternoon.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Alex.
<v Speaker 7>You can see Bill Bixby and Loup for Rigno hunk
<v Speaker 7>out this Sunday night in their movie The Incredible Hulk
<v Speaker 7>Return that'll be on Sunday night at eleven Alive, and
<v Speaker 7>we thank them both for joining us.
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, the Hulk returns seen in nearly eighteen million homes,
<v Speaker 2>around thirty three percent of the television televisions in use
<v Speaker 2>at the time. And you know, let's not forget too again.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we talked. You know, Marvel owns the Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Hogan name. Would it be surprising to you to learn?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you knew this. I don't know that in the
<v Speaker 2>pages of Marvel Comics, the two Hulks squared off. Did
<v Speaker 2>they did to mock Hulk? Yep? Do you have my screen?
<v Speaker 2>I just shared it. There we go. So we have
<v Speaker 2>the main event, the Incredible Hulk, and the main event.
<v Speaker 2>It's clearly Vegas with me the Incredible Hulk. Brother, You're
<v Speaker 2>heard right, I'm incredible and not just that dude. I'm
<v Speaker 2>roudier than Roddy, more mach other than the man.
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, it's clearly Hogan's illustration and the yellow trunks
<v Speaker 4>that shows him body slamming somebody.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he says, oh, I hate this job on. The
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk, the winner and still champion, the blonde bombs
<v Speaker 2>drummer himself, the blonde, the only Hulk. It's funny them
<v Speaker 2>not calling him a Hulk, Hogan, Hulk.
<v Speaker 4>They don't want to actually call him out directly, sort
<v Speaker 4>of wink wink, nudge, nudge, and you know it's still
<v Speaker 4>to come. But they probably tempt WWF to slap them
<v Speaker 4>back if they started using probably slap them for using Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>And that doesn't even get the Hulk comes in on
<v Speaker 2>boil you out Hulk.
<v Speaker 4>So it's it's the green Marvel character versus versus the
<v Speaker 4>representation of the pro wrestler in a Marvel comic book.
<v Speaker 2>Amazing Marvel comic book, and they go at it and
<v Speaker 2>fucking Hulk, you know, Green Hulk just wipes the floor
<v Speaker 2>with them.
<v Speaker 4>And they're just getting this is their version of, you know,
<v Speaker 4>doing like a Gilberg squash.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, exactly. Hulk is cleaning the mat with this
<v Speaker 2>embarrassment Hulk smash. Brother.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, police calls Hulk Hogan an embarrassment.
<v Speaker 2>Yes he does. And you call yourself the Hulk, You're
<v Speaker 2>worst than an impostor. He fucking just like destroys him,
<v Speaker 2>slams him Downine.
<v Speaker 17>Oh yeah, yeah, you can find it online. Yeah, I've
<v Speaker 17>seen your post, Senior, videos. I've seen your stupid cartoon show.
<v Speaker 17>I've seen enough. He stomps on him, kicks him.
<v Speaker 2>You think they're headed for a collision course? Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you seriously, you'd think it'd be they're building to a
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania main event. They even throw them like he even
<v Speaker 2>throws him out the window, like like it's the fucking
<v Speaker 2>super Bowl commercial in ninety nine. Oh wow, you know,
<v Speaker 2>at the very bottom of that panel there, and he laughs,
<v Speaker 2>and then Hogan crashed into somebody's house all fucking beaten
<v Speaker 2>up in breeze. I haven't seen it this deep into
<v Speaker 2>the end of the comic. Yeah, it's crazy. And then
<v Speaker 2>the last thing he says, the Incredible hope that is,
<v Speaker 2>oh the incredible Hallway goes down here and he goes, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you can call me mister fix It, and they can
<v Speaker 2>call me the Incredible you know.
<v Speaker 4>What, Wow, fix it? What would know about that? It's
<v Speaker 4>a little let in a little something, boss. Do you
<v Speaker 4>know that this is the only ever comic book appearance
<v Speaker 4>of Hulk Hogan?
<v Speaker 2>Really, I did not know that.
<v Speaker 4>Because part of the deal to allow him to use
<v Speaker 4>the Hulk name in wrestling was that Hulk Hogan never appear.
<v Speaker 2>In a comic book. Wow.
<v Speaker 4>So when you go back to those WWF comic books
<v Speaker 4>that we loved so much in ninety one, remember those?
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you remember Hulk in any of the No, No,
<v Speaker 2>that's so true, That's so true.
<v Speaker 4>That's why I wonders how much that has to do
<v Speaker 4>with the thing we've long noted as well in the
<v Speaker 4>Colosseum collection. How bizarre it is that eighty percent of
<v Speaker 4>the Colosseum tapes released during the onset of Hulk Comania
<v Speaker 4>featured no Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>Hulkogan Right, that's so gotta be.
<v Speaker 4>Because on the back end they wanted to split as
<v Speaker 4>little Marvel as possible.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right about that.
<v Speaker 2>So the success of The Incredible Hulk Returns spawned another
<v Speaker 2>TV film in nineteen eighty nine titled The Trial of
<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Hulk. And this time, guess who's in the
<v Speaker 2>director's chair. I don't know, Judge Mitcheler, Yeah, I wish No,
<v Speaker 2>just Bill Bixby. Bill Bikesby's directing this one, And like
<v Speaker 2>the previous one, another Marvel hero is added to the mix.
<v Speaker 2>Two two characters. Actually. First of all, they bring in
<v Speaker 2>Matt Murdock and Daredevil to be in this one and
<v Speaker 2>again as an attempt to use the film as a
<v Speaker 2>backdoor pilot for a Daredevil series, which never happened. But
<v Speaker 2>they also bring in their first super villain. They bring
<v Speaker 2>in Wilson Fisk the uh what's his name? It is
<v Speaker 2>fucking christ I can't think of the the comic Kingpin Kingpin,
<v Speaker 2>thank you, yes, Kingpin played by John Rhys Davies, who
<v Speaker 2>is Sala in the Indiana Jones movies. And this one
<v Speaker 2>also also Actually then, there's another notable thing about this
<v Speaker 2>particular TV film. It is the first it features the
<v Speaker 2>first ever on screen cameo of stan Lee in a
<v Speaker 2>Marvel project, Wow, which he became very notable for ever
<v Speaker 2>since then. Any Marvel movie Stanley always made up until
<v Speaker 2>he died, he always made even actually even now I
<v Speaker 2>think even they still like put him in with CGI.
<v Speaker 2>They put him in doing a cameo, a stan Lee cameo. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And so that was a big That was a big deal.
<v Speaker 2>And this one also huge huge numbers, second most watched
<v Speaker 2>program on Sunday, May seventh, nineteen eighty nine, with a
<v Speaker 2>thirteen point two rating and a twenty audience share, which
<v Speaker 2>means what does that mean to you? If you're a
<v Speaker 2>successful TV show, successful team, what does that mean to you?
<v Speaker 2>Means there's going to be another one, right, And there
<v Speaker 2>was a third, Oh my god, a third fucking Made
<v Speaker 2>for T YEP Made for TV sequel, The Death of
<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Hulk, which aired on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 2>and was initially rumored It was rumored that they were
<v Speaker 2>going to feature the characters of She Hulk and or
<v Speaker 2>Iron Man, but that never came to pass, and that
<v Speaker 2>one came in number twenty four for the week with
<v Speaker 2>a fourteen point six rating, And there were plans, there
<v Speaker 2>were plans for a fourth Made for TV sequel, and
<v Speaker 2>this time for sure was going to feature She Hulk
<v Speaker 2>and Ironman. There was their names were in the scripts
<v Speaker 2>that were being done at the time, or at least
<v Speaker 2>the outlines or whatever. However, the project was canceled because
<v Speaker 2>Bill Bixby died. He died in nineteen ninety three at
<v Speaker 2>the age of fifty nine from prostate cancer, and which
<v Speaker 2>is very sad. So that was the last. That was
<v Speaker 2>the last, and so they were going to revive even
<v Speaker 2>though that last one was called the death of the
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk. They were going to bring him back and
<v Speaker 2>like called like the Revenge of the Incredible Hulk or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. But that was the last of this
<v Speaker 2>incarnation of the Incredible Hulk. The next live action piece
<v Speaker 2>would be the two thousand and two Aanglee film Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but now I want to finish things up
<v Speaker 2>by going back to talking about the talk show appearance.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the supposed talk show appearance with Hulk,
<v Speaker 2>Hogan and Ferrigno. Yeah, because you know one thing I
<v Speaker 2>was I was curious about that they kind of done
<v Speaker 2>on me. Sadly. I'm just going to put this out
<v Speaker 2>there right away. Lufa Rigno is not on cameo because
<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have asked him that question.
<v Speaker 2>But has he ever talked about it? I imagine people must have. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, does he remember this event? Well, guess what.
<v Speaker 2>According to Channel ten in Tampa, he does remember it.
<v Speaker 4>Does remember it?
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what Channel ten says. This is after Hogan died.
<v Speaker 2>This is this past summer, and according to Channel ten,
<v Speaker 2>he he talked about it after Holgan passed away. But
<v Speaker 2>I want you to listen carefully. I want you to
<v Speaker 2>listen very carefully, okay.
<v Speaker 16>Fellow hulkster Lou Farigno remembers that random talk show nearly
<v Speaker 16>fifty years ago where the two met and Hogan's team
<v Speaker 16>decided he should be a Hulk too.
<v Speaker 8>And I remember he came on this scene at the
<v Speaker 8>time and I was very big. But I said to myself,
<v Speaker 8>it guy's big, it taller. But mustn't know why.
<v Speaker 2>No, but he had a big arm.
<v Speaker 16>Farigno started as the gigantic Green superhero on the Incredible
<v Speaker 16>Hulk TV series in this seventies and eighties, and would
<v Speaker 16>later run into Hogan at bodybuilder Jim's in La.
<v Speaker 8>He walked in, called, hey brother, how you doing blood?
<v Speaker 8>Hey brother, I'm going to my neighbor, played Hey brother,
<v Speaker 8>I've got to my shoulder. We played hey blether, you know,
<v Speaker 8>back and forth. But whenever he walked in, it was
<v Speaker 8>either I had especially his life.
<v Speaker 16>And he had to overcome art, a life that ended
<v Speaker 16>in July when Hogan died from a heart attack after
<v Speaker 16>being in and out of the hospital the last several
<v Speaker 16>weeks battling infections after a neck surgery.
<v Speaker 8>Well, what makes me sad? As though I'm seventy three
<v Speaker 8>he's seventy one. You know, you get in this seventies,
<v Speaker 8>you have not at a danger zone. You have to
<v Speaker 8>protect your health and everything.
<v Speaker 16>What he remembers now is their last meeting at another
<v Speaker 16>signing event a few years ago in Buffalo.
<v Speaker 8>But I remember I was looking down trying to text
<v Speaker 8>someone and over my show that he was saying, get
<v Speaker 8>up your lazy basting and everything.
<v Speaker 16>It was full cooker, and he wishes he could have
<v Speaker 16>seen him one last time.
<v Speaker 8>I was hoping to see him at BIBRAF for a
<v Speaker 8>long time. But you know something, we got to be
<v Speaker 8>great by every day. But we have God without or.
<v Speaker 2>Do you see what they you see how they ended
<v Speaker 2>that together the very beginning, he says. And he remembers
<v Speaker 2>that random talk show though he doesn't, but he doesn't
<v Speaker 2>tell you. He doesn't say the talk show at all.
<v Speaker 2>He says he came on the scene, Yeah he was around.
<v Speaker 4>No, not the scene, yeah no.
<v Speaker 2>Like right, but he says he like he arrived on
<v Speaker 2>the scene around the same time that he was doing
<v Speaker 2>The Hulk. He does to talk about it fucking ripped
<v Speaker 2>him off, right, Like he doesn't talk about he didn't
<v Speaker 2>say the fucking thing at all, Like the Tampa News
<v Speaker 2>Channel basically like, I don't I get they're they're they're
<v Speaker 2>quoting the books and then they just do that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's where he started saying it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you know, I have a theory, you know, Yes,
<v Speaker 4>it's still in the it's still in the formative stages.
<v Speaker 4>So all right, all right, But I think I think
<v Speaker 4>one thing we've learned about Hulk Hogan, it's this, if
<v Speaker 4>he has an apocryphal tale, if he has this one
<v Speaker 4>anecdote that that ties a lot of things together very conveniently.
<v Speaker 4>That anecdote is very likely made up and constructed, agreed
<v Speaker 4>to hold together some some sort of pretense for I
<v Speaker 4>don't know when he wants to establish that he started
<v Speaker 4>doing something versus it's just kind of funny line before,
<v Speaker 4>like where's the harmon saying the Hulk show was really big?
<v Speaker 4>So I said, fuck it, let's just be the Hulk.
<v Speaker 4>I don't understand where the word him is that. I
<v Speaker 4>guess me. That's why, because they would go on to
<v Speaker 4>as we'll get to an incomplete Hulk Hogan essentially let
<v Speaker 4>me let me drop the teas now basically try to
<v Speaker 4>stop WrestleMania one from happening. Oh, whoa the way it
<v Speaker 4>should have happened.
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, that's fine.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I don't think the garden's full if
<v Speaker 4>it's uh Paul Orndorf and Roddy Piper versus mister T
<v Speaker 4>and Terry Bolea.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that one. Jesus
<v Speaker 2>Christ Almighty. That's well, that is a fucking tease. And
<v Speaker 2>uh that wraps it up here? Are you ready to
<v Speaker 2>watch the incredible Hulk pilot film?
<v Speaker 4>So ready to see what Hulk saw? That is to say,
<v Speaker 4>Terry saw to become Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>And roll the projector three two one play brother brother.
<v Speaker 4>Kind of the footsteps right out of the gate, green
<v Speaker 4>feet through the woods.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is like a little recap, like I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>it's weird. It's a it's a preview recap. Right still
<v Speaker 2>to come right still to kai right, there's Ben.
<v Speaker 4>Skule x ray. See this already looks like so much
<v Speaker 4>less cheesy than the Spider Man's. Oh and seriously, there
<v Speaker 4>was also a Linda Carter Wonder Woman that was a
<v Speaker 4>hit too, right, that led to this excitement. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 4>that was also h that was like three years it lasted.
<v Speaker 4>It still didn't last as Long, Bill Bixby and the
<v Speaker 4>Incredible Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>Saine thoughts, I.
<v Speaker 21>Think that audiences can expect just a great, overall entertaining movie.
<v Speaker 4>Thank God for that, Thank God for that. It's plain
<v Speaker 4>Jane titles. You know, let the the special effets to
<v Speaker 4>the talking, yeah, exactly, or let the story do the
<v Speaker 4>talking with then each of us off times there Dwelves
<v Speaker 4>a mighty and raging fury brother. The title card reads, yes,
<v Speaker 4>when it comes crashing down and it hurts inside, where
<v Speaker 4>is the Hulk inside you?
<v Speaker 6>Right?
<v Speaker 4>Jeez, fucking French filmmaker. They want to make it Cinneatic
<v Speaker 4>walking through the willows with his sweetheart yep for Gamma rays, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>pre Gamma, pre Gamma.
<v Speaker 2>That's seventies fucking music. Have you ever heard of Geez
<v Speaker 2>before he went to Gamma school. This is before he
<v Speaker 2>became a Gamma jamma.
<v Speaker 4>Look at them boating together, running in the rain together.
<v Speaker 2>Together, when she fucking she's like lion king and this
<v Speaker 2>cat so I forget. This is in the cinemas in.
<v Speaker 4>France, that's right, exactly, in less cinema tech know what
<v Speaker 4>that is. But Bruce Banner's comforting her on the receipt
<v Speaker 4>of bad news.
<v Speaker 2>Because they love they love each other pancakes, yep, because
<v Speaker 2>it's not about food, right, Laura loves David. Oh, David, David.
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be. This is the fucking the worst thing,
<v Speaker 2>you know. This is the the Davy he is. He's
<v Speaker 2>scolding her for her political views. Is that what that is?
<v Speaker 2>Pointing at her? The tailor too. Oh god, he's like
<v Speaker 2>sticking sticking needles in her ass. Dude, y fucking Joan
<v Speaker 2>Severan's over here, seriously one for the road. Uh, he's
<v Speaker 2>going to bed. She's reading.
<v Speaker 4>Disco ball too. Just a montage of Davey Banner is
<v Speaker 4>a normal Joe with a with a sweetart.
<v Speaker 2>Not Betty Ross though, you know, Bruce Banner's traditional girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>Car vehicular activity right going on here, driving right over
<v Speaker 2>there aren't over the camera there that that shot. Ye
<v Speaker 2>don't distract him, you see. This is hurt.
<v Speaker 4>Oh brother, holy shit. They're driving together and a wheel
<v Speaker 4>just blew off the car and the whole thing is
<v Speaker 4>going onto its roof. It's a twist. I do nothing
<v Speaker 4>of out the milk story.
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the up Jesus. Big bump there, big
<v Speaker 2>bump by Bill Bakesby and the car is flipped over
<v Speaker 2>and she's inside, So.
<v Speaker 4>He got ejected. She's stuck inside. I think we know
<v Speaker 4>where this is going.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Cars on fire. He's trying to, you know, trying
<v Speaker 2>to do that superhuman strength that everyone talks about.
<v Speaker 4>Right, can't move the car, kick out the windows if
<v Speaker 4>he can.
<v Speaker 2>Now that's gonna be hot.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, kid, Johnson's going off on this scene. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 4>full flex, full cinema topic. He wants to go cinema hard.
<v Speaker 4>Oh just a howl yep. Bruce Binner wakes up Davy
<v Speaker 4>Banner from The Nightmare alone in his bed, all lost.
<v Speaker 4>At least she didn't wake up and look over and
<v Speaker 4>see what she thought were his ass sheets on the
<v Speaker 4>end of the bed, heaving.
<v Speaker 2>Half expecting like looking underneath and finding a horse head
<v Speaker 2>like the God found.
<v Speaker 4>No, I know it does feel that way, tears coming
<v Speaker 4>to his eyes. In the Hulk comics, does he have
<v Speaker 4>this backstory?
<v Speaker 2>Banner? Yeah, I don't. I'm a familiar. No, I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't see I'm on as familiar with the Hulk comics. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I know that that's not usually what's portrayed in the movies.
<v Speaker 2>Let me see I can find a quick origin here.
<v Speaker 4>You would think if that was central to the original story,
<v Speaker 4>that would be in.
<v Speaker 2>The comic books. You know, he's, as we know, uh
<v Speaker 2>not a fan of comic books.
<v Speaker 4>Supposedly of dialogue for the first time.
<v Speaker 2>I remember it being more about yeah, all right, so
<v Speaker 2>he's so so in this in According to Wikipedia, Bruce
<v Speaker 2>Banner was recruited by the army to develop nuclear weapons
<v Speaker 2>and under during the experiment one of the experiments, he's
<v Speaker 2>exposed to gamma radiation and that's what doesn't So it's
<v Speaker 2>not having to do with this kind of a This
<v Speaker 2>is a much more human right, you know, grounded if
<v Speaker 2>you will.
<v Speaker 4>Well, now he's walk in the halls of what appears
<v Speaker 4>to be a laboratory.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he is a he is a physicist and a scientist.
<v Speaker 2>Congress or is a physician. I forget what they say
<v Speaker 2>in the fucking opening credits. Let me call him a physician. Look,
<v Speaker 2>he's a fucking right, he's a PCP, you know, right,
<v Speaker 2>as well as a U a gamma you know, physics physicists, scientist.
<v Speaker 4>However, this shoulder to cryon that he has at the
<v Speaker 4>office knows that he had another one of those bad nights.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, said I.
<v Speaker 9>Should expect the dreams to recur now and then for
<v Speaker 9>a while. It's been almost a year eleven months.
<v Speaker 4>Do you know that before the Green Hulk, there were
<v Speaker 4>other Hulks that existed, uh, in previous mar comics.
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Like first, uh, first, blush, it looks sent you a
<v Speaker 4>couple of them.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we better not be fucking Frank Silva when.
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, no, no, no, no, I would. I would do
<v Speaker 4>that too, but I'm not doing that to you here.
<v Speaker 4>This is one of our wonderful listeners who I'm going
<v Speaker 4>to be relying on more as we go into this
<v Speaker 4>particular sung. Here we go, Wow, look at this almost
<v Speaker 4>like a blob like red figure. We made fun of
<v Speaker 4>Johnson for trying to get a red Hulk Will apparently
<v Speaker 4>there was.
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like a it's like a wow. Well
<v Speaker 2>this actually and this even brings up something even more interesting. Well, no,
<v Speaker 2>that's is November sixty two, sixty two, right, So I'm wondering,
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, is this like before did did?
<v Speaker 2>Are we talking about more stealing from from? Uh? For
<v Speaker 2>for with stan Lee? Is he stealing even more people's things?
<v Speaker 8>Right?
<v Speaker 2>So this is interesting? Yeah, one's like a robot. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the very first one. Yeah, like rampaging. That's interesting. No,
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that part. These aren't incredible. Help.
<v Speaker 2>This is just now a hulk. It's like it's like
<v Speaker 2>the it's like the action figures. You'd find it at
<v Speaker 2>a at a convenience store, you know. Mas'rying to learn
<v Speaker 2>how would be like instead of having Hulk Hogan, you
<v Speaker 2>have like brunk broken or something.
<v Speaker 20>Us.
<v Speaker 4>So Jermaine Jackson is getting a tour of the facility.
<v Speaker 2>I think, oh god, it's a young man being a
<v Speaker 2>little experiment.
<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at an experiment on her brother. What's going
<v Speaker 4>on here? Apparently signed up for some kind of participation
<v Speaker 4>in the study here at the lab.
<v Speaker 7>About thousand pounds of pressure on it.
<v Speaker 13>Wow, right, thinks much stronger than you think too.
<v Speaker 6>Something.
<v Speaker 2>I just you know what was stronger than bone was
<v Speaker 2>a boner. That's what I said. My boner is extremely strong.
<v Speaker 6>Right now, as you can.
<v Speaker 4>She's handed the boy an egg. Go ahead, it's gonna
<v Speaker 4>crack four of them and put them in a blunder.
<v Speaker 2>It's gone.
<v Speaker 13>See I told you some kind of especially especially damn.
<v Speaker 9>Righter than you thought.
<v Speaker 4>Right, there's Bill back speaking there he is.
<v Speaker 2>He's a big head. You know, I don't notice that
<v Speaker 2>before you right there? Put it four ways. Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>guys have Yeah. I don't let the women eat fucking
<v Speaker 2>sugar and carbs. Alright, they don't watch my fake here,
<v Speaker 2>don't get them fat, all right. I can't put them on.
<v Speaker 2>They can't put on television. All right, we don't put
<v Speaker 2>frods on Television's gonna eat it that mouth because it's
<v Speaker 2>that's like the first you know, I she's imagining it's
<v Speaker 2>this cock. Is that what it is? Yeah? So now
<v Speaker 2>the boy's being interviewed.
<v Speaker 13>Yep, missus mayor, Well, I was driving to Columbus, Ohio
<v Speaker 13>to see my sister Katie. I was going about.
<v Speaker 4>Fifty's counting, thriving to Ohio with the boy in the
<v Speaker 4>car before it happened. Oh, the real tire blew out,
<v Speaker 4>just like the blown out Davy banners tire blew out.
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's the same guy, the same thing.
<v Speaker 6>The roll.
<v Speaker 2>She's explaining how the car rolled. He's having flashbacks.
<v Speaker 4>Is this actually some side story about a class action
<v Speaker 4>lawsuit against the tiger manufacturer?
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine if that's what it was? And like
<v Speaker 2>the majority of the film was about that, and then
<v Speaker 2>the very end it just happens to have this hulk
<v Speaker 2>come in to.
<v Speaker 4>Play, waiting for like the nuclear stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing and what happened not in this series.
<v Speaker 13>Then I went over to the car and they were flames,
<v Speaker 13>like all over the top of.
<v Speaker 9>The other Star, I mean the bottom of the.
<v Speaker 2>Car there and there she is battling the flames just
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 6>Excuse me when my face she.
<v Speaker 4>Has a wow face too. Yeah, now, I didn't realize
<v Speaker 4>that at first. It's just really a lightning.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. That's that's crazy.
<v Speaker 6>It's that I had to get him out of there.
<v Speaker 13>But you see the door of the car was pinned
<v Speaker 13>down by the.
<v Speaker 1>Weight of the car.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's he's definitely going.
<v Speaker 4>I went back, Davy Banner is going back to it's
<v Speaker 4>failed attempts.
<v Speaker 2>To lift the car.
<v Speaker 1>Really frantic.
<v Speaker 2>If only he were the incredible Holk, he could have
<v Speaker 2>lifted out right a bit. Yes she did, Mom tell him.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 12>I don't know exactly how it happened.
<v Speaker 13>The fire was spreading, and I do know that it
<v Speaker 13>was going to explode.
<v Speaker 2>Reassume that performance of her pushing the cars.
<v Speaker 13>And credible the car, I thought then I could open
<v Speaker 13>up the door.
<v Speaker 7>I just I just tried to lift it.
<v Speaker 2>It was the thing I did. You know, really, what
<v Speaker 2>the story is here is that the love of a
<v Speaker 2>mother to her child is more, is stronger than right?
<v Speaker 2>You know your girlfriend exactly exactly. So he just doesn't understand.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she's explaining how she suddenly was lifting up the car.
<v Speaker 4>Maybe she's speaking to how there's a hulk in all
<v Speaker 4>of us.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she's the hulk.
<v Speaker 13>Wow lifting. I don't know where I got the strand.
<v Speaker 13>I don't know where it came from.
<v Speaker 2>My god, she has it. You can't believe what you's doing.
<v Speaker 15>I know.
<v Speaker 2>Not what Davy Banner wants to know. He's like, no,
<v Speaker 2>this is not Bruce Banner. You just call him Bruce.
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't call him David. Every knows Bruce Banner. Yeap.
<v Speaker 2>According to my.
<v Speaker 7>Calculations, the weight was later found.
<v Speaker 2>He's fucking bounces. He can't even deal. Who's on the
<v Speaker 2>couch here? Exactly? Right? Have I done something wrong? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>You have you told the truth? Oh? He is well,
<v Speaker 2>he is power. I would be worried about what he's
<v Speaker 2>about to do.
<v Speaker 4>What if I licked your balls? Would that make you
<v Speaker 4>feel better she drops. That would be said a seventies
<v Speaker 4>porn thing. Hit the nw AL music.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my god, it'll be tremendous.
<v Speaker 4>All of a sudden hiss like his like six inch
<v Speaker 4>dick is a rex, and there's like ball hair green.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a green cock.
<v Speaker 4>One hundred and ten pounds. Women just don't lift up
<v Speaker 4>a half tumbed car.
<v Speaker 2>Be there. Only third party people can lift up cars
<v Speaker 2>like that.
<v Speaker 20>Story, my god, that's exactly what happened to me, except
<v Speaker 20>that her son is alive.
<v Speaker 2>She hooked up right, She's right, she hawked up. You
<v Speaker 2>couldn't hulk up. You're a bit by himself.
<v Speaker 4>Everything we've researched, it's been the same story, over and
<v Speaker 4>over again. What is the common denominator? He left me
<v Speaker 4>hanging there?
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to say, I guess he's the common denominator,
<v Speaker 2>But he's the failure that if it had been that,
<v Speaker 2>if it had been anybody else but him, he could
<v Speaker 2>have saved his girlfriend. I know, I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was Tony Morrison at twenty one. I
<v Speaker 4>could have lifted this fucking car.
<v Speaker 2>If only I hadn't stopped my cycles.
<v Speaker 4>If only I hadn't quietly actually kind of given up
<v Speaker 4>in my head and pretended I didn't.
<v Speaker 2>If I only hadn't really wanted her to die, right,
<v Speaker 2>I could have saved her.
<v Speaker 4>How can you hope to examine a medical phenomen on
<v Speaker 4>with cool scientific objectivity? He cuts it right off. Don't
<v Speaker 4>don't talk to me, don't take me off this case.
<v Speaker 9>Always getting angry doesn't.
<v Speaker 4>Help getting here. It doesn't help my mother. I used
<v Speaker 4>to tell me getting angry doesn't help.
<v Speaker 2>It, and then I used to throw shit at.
<v Speaker 4>Her that should make meat loaf and.
<v Speaker 9>Love.
<v Speaker 2>Alan Moore, you'd always talk about Kenny.
<v Speaker 6>Comes from.
<v Speaker 4>Do you think we'll ever find where that strength comes from?
<v Speaker 2>He asks? Not with her wearing a dress like that,
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. That thing is like that. That thing does
<v Speaker 2>not look like it breathes at all. It is covering
<v Speaker 2>like she looks like one of the one of the
<v Speaker 2>women wrestlers. And when they go to Saudi, yes, covered
<v Speaker 2>from head to toe. The running kinds of experiments on
<v Speaker 2>people and putting things under microscopes, that's right. Discovery. It's
<v Speaker 2>like a computer micro chip there. Discovery like just studying
<v Speaker 2>and researching, experimenting.
<v Speaker 21>I just pinned under this thing there, and I just
<v Speaker 21>started pumping, pumping my fists and I got I was
<v Speaker 21>able to pick it up a very big schnitze.
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, Yeah, that's all as well. And spots.
<v Speaker 4>Now so the common denominator and they sit down interviews
<v Speaker 4>they're doing or instances were regular people just and super
<v Speaker 4>human strength to do something to get out of a pinch.
<v Speaker 4>This woman bent a steel beam. Give the filmmakers credit here.
<v Speaker 4>They're not just going right to the gring and guy,
<v Speaker 4>you know they're not. They're really letting the simmer.
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't. Fact, I'll tell you what this is.
<v Speaker 2>This is actually probably the least action based, right, fucking Christ,
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. He's like the love child of Joe Pesci
<v Speaker 2>and my grandma and myself.
<v Speaker 6>We're gonna die.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna die, said to myself. We're gonna die.
<v Speaker 4>And you can hear like the crinkle of his leather jacket. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>heavy guy belongs in a fucking Frank Capra movie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he absolutely does.
<v Speaker 9>Then how did you do it?
<v Speaker 2>How did you do it? Ben wants to know.
<v Speaker 9>There it is, and all of a sudden we were ambushed.
<v Speaker 2>The big man upstairs, the same friend that had saved.
<v Speaker 17>Your life, yes, sir, and I wasn't about to leave
<v Speaker 17>him face down in the mud.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. This guy is talking about war, that's right. War.
<v Speaker 16>I don't really remember that part of it. I just
<v Speaker 16>remember I was determined to get Johnny out of there.
<v Speaker 6>You don't be wounded, no, sir. I was kind of busy.
<v Speaker 7>How many bullets are taken out of you?
<v Speaker 4>Seventeen seventeen bullets. I was shot seventeen times. So this
<v Speaker 4>probably would have aired over two hours, right with commercials.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's about a two hour. Yeah, it was a
<v Speaker 2>two hour TV movie. That is a leisure suit in
<v Speaker 2>a half. Yeah, jack McGee. This guy fucking yeah right,
<v Speaker 2>this guy looks about two steps away from the grave.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like the news reporter.
<v Speaker 9>Something about that's.
<v Speaker 4>How you get the scoop. You stand outside someone's office
<v Speaker 4>and run after the exactly and you grab them in
<v Speaker 4>youspaper's interested in The newspaper is only interested in reporters, murder, rape, horoscopes, UFOs,
<v Speaker 4>and fair faucet. I don't fit into any of those categories,
<v Speaker 4>he says, And I wish not to be interviewed.
<v Speaker 2>Put those sunglasses, getting Jackie O nasis classes Jesus christentially
<v Speaker 2>study that shot right there? Do you see that dolly shot?
<v Speaker 2>That was a crazy shot.
<v Speaker 4>Doctor Banner is looking at the blood of these people
<v Speaker 4>to see if emotional. He's so commonality angry and my
<v Speaker 4>guess that's the whole driven research. But like, you know, like,
<v Speaker 4>but he's such a like, it's such a selfish you know,
<v Speaker 4>they're taking all these resources just so we can tell
<v Speaker 4>himself that it's not his fault that the girlfriend Paris.
<v Speaker 4>It's a metochondria scan for that ass answer.
<v Speaker 2>Half a million That TV man minicontrious can't for that
<v Speaker 2>ass Oh, no, state of the art television screen monitors,
<v Speaker 2>monitor monitoring. Absolutely, Maybe we should a deeper sill to
<v Speaker 2>the DNA. Yeah, examine.
<v Speaker 9>You know Ben's been souping up a lot of our equipment.
<v Speaker 2>And higher power, higher power, higher power. Well it was
<v Speaker 2>me Austen ye Wilfrid, what are you doing? Pow one
<v Speaker 2>million times?
<v Speaker 6>Let's see what we can see.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see we can see. I'm Bill Bickby. There's d
<v Speaker 2>N a a million times DNA scan. What do you
<v Speaker 2>got to come across something? A computer is beeping and
<v Speaker 2>in the movies, you know what that means yea importance.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, just text on the screen. But they're making it
<v Speaker 4>the most dramatic thing you've ever seen.
<v Speaker 2>What is that blinking anything?
<v Speaker 6>Yes?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Oh? What is it? Found it? Content abnormal?
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's flashes content abnormal on the screen.
<v Speaker 2>Commercial break. We'll be right back. The Incredible Hulk returns.
<v Speaker 4>It's fair Child Semiconductor. These two horrid again. It's like
<v Speaker 4>a place where.
<v Speaker 2>Like like nand memory was created in nineteen seventy two,
<v Speaker 2>NA magnified a million times. It's impossible. Mmm, he's looking
<v Speaker 2>at his own blood now. Yep, DNA others can't be
<v Speaker 2>same variant the strength.
<v Speaker 4>Your bitch found the strength they did. So how can
<v Speaker 4>I have the same variant because you're a bitch, that's what.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I think that he's going to reach that very unscientific
<v Speaker 4>conclusion because am I a bitch.
<v Speaker 2>I know what I'll do. I'll draw the bubble of
<v Speaker 2>shoelaks on a piece of paper. We've got a problem
<v Speaker 2>with the microwave tremendously this guy anyway, he said, we've
<v Speaker 2>got a problem with the microwave transmit or just a
<v Speaker 2>problem with the microwave.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know what he said there, but he
<v Speaker 4>quickly followed it up. But it's gonna take my bell
<v Speaker 4>a couple of days, the patching up. You gonna get
<v Speaker 4>some pizzas you want to you want to end awesome.
<v Speaker 4>You want to, Bruce, get you some pies from Little Neros.
<v Speaker 4>That's when you know they're onto something when the pizza
<v Speaker 4>orders come out.
<v Speaker 2>Building at one of them. Yep, the extreme oasis ringing
<v Speaker 2>around the banner's head something extern h thought, thought happening
<v Speaker 2>with Yeah, for sure, with Bruce looking at a Richter
<v Speaker 2>scale reading gamma interfere with biology.
<v Speaker 4>Gamma rays have been known to interfere with biological activity. Doctors,
<v Speaker 4>it's onto something here. He has a hypothesis forming they
<v Speaker 4>like that shot. Oh yeah, yep, yep, he does. You
<v Speaker 4>know in the in that commentary track too, I didn't.
<v Speaker 4>I didn't take any clips right because I was, you know,
<v Speaker 4>running out of space. But he you should you should
<v Speaker 4>hear how often Ken Johnson bad mouths all the seventies tropes.
<v Speaker 2>Oh really in here? Yeah, he makes fun of all
<v Speaker 2>the clothing that's seventies. He makes fun of all shots
<v Speaker 2>that are like seventies, like zoom shots and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, dude, just why are you gonna do that?
<v Speaker 2>It's the fucking seventies, Like, it's not like, it's not
<v Speaker 2>the seventies. Right Er just circled the lowest point on
<v Speaker 2>the chart because that's where he belongs. It's like, this
<v Speaker 2>is this is where the stock found support on the downside.
<v Speaker 2>It's never gonna go lower than this. I gotta call
<v Speaker 2>my broker. I want to sell all shares of Yes,
<v Speaker 2>it's a buying opportunity. He gave it two rings and
<v Speaker 2>hangs up. Where's the fucking It's like Friday, Friday the thirteenth. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>who's thee all the green? Yeah, a little green shading there.
<v Speaker 2>It's called symbolic radio radiation area. Uh oh, not a
<v Speaker 2>good idea test just doctor Banner and the radiation machine.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. That is it trying to lift the bed? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so we lifted it. So shouldn't you listen to that?
<v Speaker 2>You can't lift? Isn't it the whole point? You should like? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I can't lift this, but if I once I do
<v Speaker 2>the process, I should be able to lift this.
<v Speaker 4>If I can lift an empty hospital bed, I feel
<v Speaker 4>better about myself. He's gonna turn the machine on, but
<v Speaker 4>appear that way radiology scanner, whatever those are called. He's
<v Speaker 4>gonna crank up that gamma.
<v Speaker 2>Speaking their dock charts, bringing up that gamma jam my brother,
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, gamma sing.
<v Speaker 4>So many knobs everything, yeahob, But back then, every piece
<v Speaker 4>of tech had a knob that clicked.
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that there are no blinking lights there. You go. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>coump down. Give himself quite a bit of time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you need two minutes. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I were Ken Johnson, I would actually
<v Speaker 2>have this scene linger for two minutes, just to make
<v Speaker 2>us suffer.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's gonna go take a piss first. Yeah, no, okay,
<v Speaker 4>slides his body into the radiation machine.
<v Speaker 2>I guess twenty seconds have gone by, so he's he's
<v Speaker 2>going the full two minutes here.
<v Speaker 4>All right, This isn't like a rumble countdown.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.
<v Speaker 4>But they should have put the classic Cassio clock in
<v Speaker 4>the by.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, I agree, we should have a Casio clock
<v Speaker 2>science yep, well, anything any thing to soothe his ego,
<v Speaker 2>his angst be exactly. Johnson loves that shot, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Oh he you should listen. Oh my god, he fucking
<v Speaker 2>loves that shot. You can hear him jerking off to
<v Speaker 2>it on the commentary track in the background is here. Jeez,
<v Speaker 2>that's a famous in the head, that's a famous shot.
<v Speaker 2>That's like the famous shot they use for that thing.
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, what a machine? What is this fucking
<v Speaker 2>machine that does this? I mean, Jesus Christ, it'll allow
<v Speaker 2>you to do it to yourself. Why is I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it looks like we're gonna be in like a Disney
<v Speaker 2>simulator ride exactly.
<v Speaker 19>Thirteen well, eleven, ten, nine, eight, seven, six five four, No,
<v Speaker 19>not jumped ahead, Here we go, King King and King.
<v Speaker 2>Busha. Gamma.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would have been a nice alternate title, The
<v Speaker 4>Incredible Gamma. Oh, the danger light is flashing, doge fifteen
<v Speaker 4>thousand Gammy units.
<v Speaker 2>How do you feel happened? Just stopped?
<v Speaker 4>So he just got administered Gammy?
<v Speaker 2>I guess so fucking crime. Oh my god, Jesus Christ,
<v Speaker 2>it's so fucking nauseatingly slow. Peeky.
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna take him, my cat. We're going to
<v Speaker 4>watch him undo all this now after we have to
<v Speaker 4>watch him do it. Wow, there's something called the dissolve Ken.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Ken's got a you know hour and
<v Speaker 2>a half to fill really time commercial breaks.
<v Speaker 4>So just when I gave him credit for delaying the
<v Speaker 4>big green Monster scenes, I'm starting to get a little anxious.
<v Speaker 4>Fun move past, doctor Banner.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, stop stop delaying. Let's just get on moving.
<v Speaker 8>Pal.
<v Speaker 4>I don't understand what if anything just happened. Okay, now
<v Speaker 4>he's trying to see if that added nothing. He's still
<v Speaker 4>a bitch.
<v Speaker 2>I hope you know that.
<v Speaker 4>This is basically Hogan with dinabal right, that's that's his
<v Speaker 4>bill bakeste Harry's gamma, Terry's gamma was a dinable.
<v Speaker 2>Someone used to someone needs to fucking shrink his head
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. It's distracting. It is distracting, especially during
<v Speaker 2>these long shots, because.
<v Speaker 4>Lou Rigno doesn't have a massive melon. No, well he does,
<v Speaker 4>maybe maybe he just doesn't look like he does.
<v Speaker 2>He does, but he's got a massive body to go
<v Speaker 2>with it. Kinky bink and gink and wink and gink
<v Speaker 2>and ginking.
<v Speaker 4>The other day at the lab, administer myself with gamma,
<v Speaker 4>then run out into the rain.
<v Speaker 2>Here's this is the this is the cheap process shot
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about coming out. Oh yeah, lightning, So
<v Speaker 2>all this this is not. He's not actually drying. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think you still beam.
<v Speaker 4>Ringing in doctor banners head of the others who were mandaged,
<v Speaker 4>who managed those feats of strength so deeply unsettling to him?
<v Speaker 4>Oh did it happened again? This fucking car blew out
<v Speaker 4>these fucking tires. Man on these cars. I think it's
<v Speaker 4>if you're one of the Gamma Ray types you malfunction cars.
<v Speaker 2>That would make sense. Actually some connection here.
<v Speaker 4>There's no way that happens twice to him.
<v Speaker 2>And to that other woman. He's so angry.
<v Speaker 4>It's pouring and he doesn't have a Tiret's start cursing
<v Speaker 4>like Ralphie's dad here. Oh fudge, Yeah, so like Ralphie baby,
<v Speaker 4>I should say.
<v Speaker 2>Except I didn't say fudge. It was the word not.
<v Speaker 4>It's here once again, time of year, so.
<v Speaker 2>Happy not God damn it. Son of a bitch, so angry.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, one tells me he's gonna find a common
<v Speaker 2>denominator here.
<v Speaker 4>Praying him up the car to jack his tire.
<v Speaker 2>M hm m hm m m m m.
<v Speaker 6>M hm.
<v Speaker 9>M hm hm.
<v Speaker 2>Hm. You get you get good color. Brother.
<v Speaker 4>So he's bleeding on his hand. Oh, something else has happened.
<v Speaker 4>We see the X ray of the skull. Oh, here's
<v Speaker 4>the eye. The eyes are turning green. Yeah, it's transforming, folks,
<v Speaker 4>it's happening. Goes this shirt, ripping the shirt. Brother, he
<v Speaker 4>found his Diana ball?
<v Speaker 9>All right?
<v Speaker 2>Did he damn fucking right di Gamma ball? I wonder
<v Speaker 2>if maybe that maybe that's maybe Hogan should done Gamma instead.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely hide the ball. Right for eyes, he's bending the crowbar.
<v Speaker 4>Did Hogan him do that? Bend a crowbar like that?
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he did? Look at that.
<v Speaker 4>No, first time we've seen. And you're right, we have
<v Speaker 4>to like kind of cut into him emerging, not witness
<v Speaker 4>the transformation.
<v Speaker 2>But it works.
<v Speaker 4>Look up big he look, it's eight foot giant.
<v Speaker 2>But it works though, you know, and that's the thing
<v Speaker 2>about it, It does work. The way they added together,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're able to suspend this with up. He
<v Speaker 2>fucking rips off the goddamn tire and tosses it like
<v Speaker 2>a ragged doll.
<v Speaker 4>And this is what wrestling promoters saw when they looked
<v Speaker 4>at Yep, Terry Bulayer returning from his sojourn to Cocoa Beach.
<v Speaker 4>There's a hell of a time to walk into a
<v Speaker 4>small time wrestling outfits with that kind of build and
<v Speaker 4>this on the air, a couple lax handles even from Lufigno.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah the car, Oh, here he goes detroying this thing.
<v Speaker 4>I guess he doesn't have to worry about driving home,
<v Speaker 4>not at all. And now he's going to prove he
<v Speaker 4>can lift the car.
<v Speaker 2>Look at this.
<v Speaker 4>That looks cool, looks good. Pushes it down the hill.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah there was a hydraulic thing that that helped with
<v Speaker 2>the lift. But still it looks great. Brother, it does explodes.
<v Speaker 6>The Hulk.
<v Speaker 2>He's getting heat, that's right, brother, Gang Gang Kan Kang,
<v Speaker 2>Gang Gan Kang said this on CBS, right, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>feel the heat on CBS with the incredible Hulk. I
<v Speaker 2>would have been riveted by this in the eighties. Let alone.
<v Speaker 2>This haven't her I mean, and again think about it.
<v Speaker 2>We haven't seen any violence really, right.
<v Speaker 18>He's lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with the Jack Ann Seo
<v Speaker 18>Jpro's Lapsed fand Wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 2>That's what daytime scene. But it's a fairly disperseed. Hear
<v Speaker 2>the shots we saw from the beginning.
<v Speaker 4>The feet walking through the woods, the green feet. That
<v Speaker 4>was a term of the deal too. Terry could never
<v Speaker 4>wear purple and.
<v Speaker 2>Green are you serious? Yes, wow, little.
<v Speaker 4>Girl fishing, she's in for surprise Jesus is to catch
<v Speaker 4>a predator.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a like a like a twenty twenty
<v Speaker 2>dramatization of like an abduction. I mean, thank god, thank god,
<v Speaker 2>the whole wasn't red. Can you imagine? I know? And
<v Speaker 2>they said, no red, it's a fucking nightmare. Okay, girl,
<v Speaker 2>fucking go fishing.
<v Speaker 4>They slowed it down Fregno's approach, hovering over the girl.
<v Speaker 4>She doesn't know yet. Young Stephanie McMahon, all right, hey,
<v Speaker 4>he imagine being a kid and seeing that sailing at you. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>get away from me, you fucking green freak jumps in
<v Speaker 4>the bay. Watched the problem. This guy apparently he's responsible
<v Speaker 4>for this girl.
<v Speaker 2>He was off like fucking water. What an idiot?
<v Speaker 4>Come on, girl, And now he's gonna save her. The
<v Speaker 4>Holk's gonna save her to show he has a heart. Uh,
<v Speaker 4>he's making like burping noises. Why is he burping? The
<v Speaker 4>Holk is purping, folks.
<v Speaker 2>That's the shot right there, That shot right there, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's uh, that's Richard Keel. That shot, yep, that was
<v Speaker 2>Richard Keel. Still catch.
<v Speaker 4>So now it's going to do is push this massive
<v Speaker 4>tree over. Question is did he try to extend her
<v Speaker 4>a lifeline or try to kill her?
<v Speaker 2>Right there? Come on, come on, yeah, grab the tree.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, I'll grab it. I'll give you the tree.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, don't worry dad, The green monster is going
<v Speaker 2>to help me. Here where they fenway right? Brother, brother
<v Speaker 2>got a gun. He sounds like he's worried about.
<v Speaker 4>Saving Susie instead of shooting your gun in the air
<v Speaker 4>while she drowns. Oh, he put a bullet in the
<v Speaker 4>hall right on the shoulder and he's busted. He's got collar.
<v Speaker 4>It's not just green m Red equals queen. But he's
<v Speaker 4>going there.
<v Speaker 2>Right or a gun jammed idiot hops on the run.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I get fucking offensive lineman, defensive lineman.
<v Speaker 2>He has charged. He is going for this guy. I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do that time of night. Be like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what. I probably like cower down in like the
<v Speaker 2>fingal position. But there's nothing I can do.
<v Speaker 4>He's gonna give him pounce period from the Monty brah
<v Speaker 4>Ship just grabs the gun, shows the Oh my god,
<v Speaker 4>on the ground with Don zimmer Bo Jackson's the gun
<v Speaker 4>across his knee.
<v Speaker 2>What happened? What a shot? Here he goes grab grab
<v Speaker 2>him on the balls too, I'm not press, throw the press.
<v Speaker 2>He just fucking toss throws him into the water.
<v Speaker 4>Oh he's just winning, pumping his fist like he accomplished
<v Speaker 4>something throughout. This guy in the water, you're a bitch,
<v Speaker 4>because he throws his entire campsite into the water. Ah
<v Speaker 4>fuck the tent, you're a bitch, She's like this hulk
<v Speaker 4>can't You can't speak a word of English or any
<v Speaker 4>of that, but he says you're a bitch.
<v Speaker 2>Ah fuck you. So far, pretty easy acting job for
<v Speaker 2>old Loofre. Yeah, bends down, Yeah, and show his teeth.
<v Speaker 2>Grandpa Joe over here fucking looking for his golden ticket. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so he bladed his arm like dusty.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this would stand out in television in the seventies
<v Speaker 4>for sure. Oh yeah, but they managed to get this
<v Speaker 4>guy to look like seems mortified by the sight of
<v Speaker 4>his own blood.
<v Speaker 2>Well on face.
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't realize he's all green and ship. No m He's
<v Speaker 4>running around like doctor Banner, throwing people like one hundred yards.
<v Speaker 3>What up?
<v Speaker 2>Right now his hands being to changed color again, Right,
<v Speaker 2>he's starting to calm down. That should always doing is
<v Speaker 2>washing off the grease paints, right, although you can't do
<v Speaker 2>that in water. It's waterproof.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, we're back to David Banner. That was a good
<v Speaker 4>device to switch. Switch to look up. He's got the
<v Speaker 4>green eyes, but he's back as a human.
<v Speaker 2>Those were old. Those were old school contact lenses, hard
<v Speaker 2>contact lenses. I don't know how the fuck they did that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how anyone did that back then. Never
<v Speaker 2>need my flimsy ones. It's back to normal. Now, take
<v Speaker 2>a powder.
<v Speaker 4>I forgot that about the Hulk. Is that once he
<v Speaker 4>calms down, it goes away.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well, and then usually usually he goes through
<v Speaker 2>like usually the the I mean in in in the
<v Speaker 2>movies at least and whatnot. It's like it's like a
<v Speaker 2>seizure where he doesn't really remember what happened. Right, that's
<v Speaker 2>a temporary amnesia. Yeh huh. Why does she even take
<v Speaker 2>in a shower? And I guess like they's like, we're
<v Speaker 2>gonna see your tits brother. Oh man, David Banner is
<v Speaker 2>bleeding from the arm at her front door.
<v Speaker 6>Right, Oh please, it was a bullet went through.
<v Speaker 4>What happened because it was a bullet and I guess
<v Speaker 4>I went through.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just woke up. Shot.
<v Speaker 6>We're going to get you to a hospital.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, I'm okay, Oh call a hospital.
<v Speaker 6>I can't go to the hospital.
<v Speaker 2>Why not? So I have gamma because I'm gamma positive.
<v Speaker 2>So much for sucking him? Yeah right, that wound. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it would actually be great for the wound if you
<v Speaker 2>just if you took your clothes off right there and
<v Speaker 2>just rovings on it. It might make it feel bad
<v Speaker 2>to be there. Had to be a seventies Hulk porn.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I can't imagine there wouldn't be. Yeah, cross makeup job. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>of course, incredible bulk.
<v Speaker 2>There we go. When did you say you were I
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 21>I'll tell you this one looks like it's for about
<v Speaker 21>three Oh he's.
<v Speaker 4>Got superhealing powers too. Was the mark of any good superhero?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, very strange, very strange, strange. Yeah, what did
<v Speaker 2>happen Gamma last night?
<v Speaker 6>After you left?
<v Speaker 2>I gammed myself.
<v Speaker 4>I'm surprised never happened.
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised.
<v Speaker 4>In the late seventies early eighties, none of the territories
<v Speaker 4>got freak.
<v Speaker 2>Now to do an angle? I know I was there
<v Speaker 2>how he never got like how the first time he
<v Speaker 2>actually something the wrestling was with a w BF. Gotta
<v Speaker 2>be a story there. He hadn't been offered at some
<v Speaker 2>point in.
<v Speaker 9>Every case they matched, And when and Laura had.
<v Speaker 2>The accident, I wasn't anger. I had no anger when
<v Speaker 2>when Laura died. I felt joy when she died. That's
<v Speaker 2>why I couldn't save her, because I was happy.
<v Speaker 7>I'll explain it over anxious.
<v Speaker 4>Well, let me go to my only in the seventies refrigerator.
<v Speaker 2>Here, get some orange juice.
<v Speaker 4>He's telling her how much gamma he put in himself
<v Speaker 4>and she is freaking out.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, can you get a different shirt please? He looks
<v Speaker 2>like a goof.
<v Speaker 4>So dehydrated. He's down in orange juice.
<v Speaker 20>I was driving home, had a flat tire.
<v Speaker 2>I was changing it.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And don't explain how you got shot in the arm.
<v Speaker 9>I was standing in the woods like this.
<v Speaker 1>What happened in between?
<v Speaker 2>I got angry and thirsty? Apparently? What happened in between? Well,
<v Speaker 2>I was in Mexico, off the grid. Actually, I suppose
<v Speaker 2>his brain probably was in Mexico off the grid.
<v Speaker 6>Something else, something.
<v Speaker 1>What David try to remember?
<v Speaker 6>Oh, I remember.
<v Speaker 2>Feeling incredibly strong. I remember feeling strong. Be continued. I
<v Speaker 2>do think they did that to be continued. Well, this
<v Speaker 2>is so the ones that I downloaded, I compiled them together.
<v Speaker 2>The ones that I downloaded were basically there was a
<v Speaker 2>two so after they premiered the movie, whenever it was
<v Speaker 2>aired on television, it was airs are two separate episodes,
<v Speaker 2>so they re edited it. And the ones that I
<v Speaker 2>downloaded were two separate episodes that I just put together.
<v Speaker 6>Got it, Yeah, baking and.
<v Speaker 7>Steve Frankl just finished and pressurization.
<v Speaker 2>They're back at the lab. Now, what do you mean?
<v Speaker 20>Well, whatever happened before might again, and if it does,
<v Speaker 20>whatried about.
<v Speaker 4>And becoming the Hulk again to protect her if he
<v Speaker 4>suddenly becomes a big green.
<v Speaker 2>As long as she got groceries right. Meanwhile, all I
<v Speaker 2>got some stuff here apple? Was he fucking five? He
<v Speaker 2>bought apple juice for him?
<v Speaker 8>How many did you say you injected into yourself?
<v Speaker 2>She bought him go Go squeezes too? Yeah? Okay, uh
<v Speaker 2>where gogurt? Sweet potato puffs? Some pirates. Booty righted the
<v Speaker 2>calibrator up to the last click three thousand.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's like the electronic microscope have been modified for
<v Speaker 7>higher strength.
<v Speaker 6>Have you seen have been modified the radiology.
<v Speaker 2>Unit in excess?
<v Speaker 4>With three he's learning that the radiology unit was adjusted
<v Speaker 4>an excess of what he thought he was giving himself
<v Speaker 4>to go.
<v Speaker 15>I did he get it?
<v Speaker 2>Almost two million units of Yeah, reality, Jack gotta want it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>damn right, that's an integrated conditioning program. If I ever
<v Speaker 2>heard one gamma.
<v Speaker 4>Pro gamma pro man, you got it, there's one bad
<v Speaker 4>gabba jamma and he's locked him. She's locked him in
<v Speaker 4>a room or in a trailer.
<v Speaker 2>I guess you could say, let's do your DNA scan again. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>some tests, David.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's a little distracted by what you just told him,
<v Speaker 4>which is right, administered like three times the amount of gamma.
<v Speaker 2>Radiating incredible amount of nuclear you know, radiation.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, but whatever it is, we're going to
<v Speaker 7>get you back to normal.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was likely cancer free.
<v Speaker 15>Reverse the process.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't want to change him.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I've blundered into, but it could
<v Speaker 3>be the natural outgrowth of all our research.
<v Speaker 2>We have to try and make it happen.
<v Speaker 10>Again so that we can observe it.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, we have to try and make it happen again,
<v Speaker 4>so we can observe in the laboratory setting. It's really sensible.
<v Speaker 7>Look, I know you have feelings of enormous strength. I
<v Speaker 7>just feel that there are too many unknown factors here.
<v Speaker 9>We really do not know what we're.
<v Speaker 7>Getting ourselves into.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he invokes Benjamin Franklin. That's right.
<v Speaker 4>Look, he didn't know what he was doing when he
<v Speaker 4>put the kite in the thunder storm either. But it's
<v Speaker 4>for science.
<v Speaker 6>It's right ray reversal.
<v Speaker 2>But we might have found what we've been looking for.
<v Speaker 2>We can't just throw it away without investigating it first.
<v Speaker 2>Are you being scientific about.
<v Speaker 15>This or you're letting your emotions run away with you?
<v Speaker 2>Yes?
<v Speaker 9>Try all right?
<v Speaker 7>What happens if we tap into this hidden strength?
<v Speaker 2>What happens?
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happens if we tap into this
<v Speaker 2>hidden strength. I don't know.
<v Speaker 16>It was built with stand the pressure of a thousand
<v Speaker 16>people below.
<v Speaker 2>The ocean, no doubt, Elena. It's like inside a bank.
<v Speaker 4>Bull's assuring Elena that he's inside of a bank vault.
<v Speaker 2>Essentially say only he'll die. Who cares? But how does
<v Speaker 2>he know how to activate that in himself. I don't
<v Speaker 2>think he does. Okay, all right, he's talking to her
<v Speaker 2>like he knows how to that can happen.
<v Speaker 8>Reconstruct everything that happened last night.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's going to reconstruct what happened to try to
<v Speaker 2>trick got it all right? It was dark, make it dark?
<v Speaker 2>What's that matter?
<v Speaker 4>He's going to recreate all the He doesn't know what
<v Speaker 4>sets it off. So the fact that it was dark
<v Speaker 4>may have been part of it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess what about the equipment in there? So
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna put fucking water. They're gonna make it rain,
<v Speaker 2>will sprinklers.
<v Speaker 20>There's no way I can make.
<v Speaker 9>It rain in there.
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry about it.
<v Speaker 9>I've got an idea.
<v Speaker 5>Give me a second toe.
<v Speaker 4>It's got an idea to make it rain. It's gonna
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna take fucking take a match to a to
<v Speaker 4>the sprinkler.
<v Speaker 9>M David, what are you doing in there?
<v Speaker 2>Does it opened a pipe? Oh wow?
<v Speaker 20>Pounds of pressure behind the main water feed.
<v Speaker 2>I'm opening it up a little.
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna let it open just a bit so it
<v Speaker 4>sprays out.
<v Speaker 6>Anything.
<v Speaker 2>It's still not hulk nothing on. Doesn't he know that.
<v Speaker 4>She has to hit him? Whether a finisher before he
<v Speaker 4>can come home.
<v Speaker 2>You know he's gonna he's gonna. There's gonna be a
<v Speaker 2>little more heat segment than this. Right last, there was
<v Speaker 2>a light there we go. Come on, come on, where,
<v Speaker 2>come on me? Come on, my tis.
<v Speaker 4>It would be funny if that was like a female
<v Speaker 4>version of like suck, like, come on my ticks, leave
<v Speaker 4>me alone?
<v Speaker 2>Powers off? There we go, power hour?
<v Speaker 9>All right, now, increase the load of the power grid
<v Speaker 9>a little at a time.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's increasing the load. You're damn right you okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm fine.
<v Speaker 4>There's just sucking. A lightning storm going on all around now,
<v Speaker 4>I'm sucking with questions. That's happening, all right. That's one
<v Speaker 4>hour one hour for hour, nightmare, David.
<v Speaker 9>We'd better stop.
<v Speaker 8>I don't see any purpose in.
<v Speaker 20>Going on.
<v Speaker 16>Just a little longer.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna turn into Clarence the Guardian Angel or what?
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, what's wrong? I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's such a bitch. Why wou't it work? He's
<v Speaker 2>screaming at her, not her fault.
<v Speaker 6>Did you draw yourself off and get some fresh clothes
<v Speaker 6>out of the locker?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, won't you shut up? Exactly? He's gonna give up there.
<v Speaker 2>It is turkey on wheat, Turkey on whole wheat, motherfucker
<v Speaker 2>on whole wheat.
<v Speaker 4>You know, director Ken Johnson got his hands on some
<v Speaker 4>of that.
<v Speaker 2>Listen. You know they made extras for him school, you know.
<v Speaker 2>You know he's off screen right now, fucking just chomping down,
<v Speaker 2>like three of them are built. Yep, we'll do it again,
<v Speaker 2>and I won't do it again. There's time. Let me
<v Speaker 2>meet your sandwich, he said. He's got a subtle manner
<v Speaker 2>about him, does he. I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I
<v Speaker 2>said I'd come on your tits right.
<v Speaker 18>Look, you may be in there alone, but we're in
<v Speaker 18>this together.
<v Speaker 6>It's nice as usual.
<v Speaker 2>Can I be in you together? King, King, King, King,
<v Speaker 2>King King King, Yeah yeah, King King, kank, thank you.
<v Speaker 2>I could nigreen war leave your electrodes on? Are you kidding?
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding? David? I wear electrodes and nothing else
<v Speaker 2>to bed.
<v Speaker 4>Right, it's just such a sense of failure being conveyed here,
<v Speaker 4>King King, kN King, Okay, Oh, I'll guess we'll never
<v Speaker 4>know what happened with Bruce Banner and his lovely assistant
<v Speaker 4>and the Gamma Ray project. Right, we'll see you next
<v Speaker 4>time in that ass yeh, Who's is that her? Or
<v Speaker 4>is that somebody else over there? I think that's her her?
<v Speaker 4>Doctor Banner is getting some some shut eye.
<v Speaker 20>Or is he?
<v Speaker 2>All the.
<v Speaker 4>Brain wave readings are staying active, and then we cut
<v Speaker 4>to black, come back.
<v Speaker 2>To be right back right after this word from our sponsor.
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<v Speaker 2>loves Dove soap. Okay, more dreams, more flashbacks here she's
<v Speaker 2>observing him closely.
<v Speaker 7>Five Doctor Bennat began rapid eye movement indicating dream state,
<v Speaker 7>not considerable agitation and heavy increase in both GSR and.
<v Speaker 2>His increased readings while sleeping.
<v Speaker 7>Gs R is also beginning to register apparently the dreams
<v Speaker 7>upsetting it.
<v Speaker 6>I think he's having a nightmare.
<v Speaker 2>Got that soft, fuzzy look right.
<v Speaker 4>Going through, kicking the car again and trying to get
<v Speaker 4>her out of the burning car, trying to lift it.
<v Speaker 2>Kane.
<v Speaker 4>Maybe the eyes open and they're green, and the machines
<v Speaker 4>out of its mind.
<v Speaker 2>Levels off.
<v Speaker 4>She's rendered silent malfunction. She assuments it's malfunction and bone
<v Speaker 4>the green fist fires are right through the glass.
<v Speaker 2>And he is on the move. Wow, David, David, is
<v Speaker 2>that you're in danger?
<v Speaker 6>Yes, Doctor Benner is no longer in the pressure chamber.
<v Speaker 2>He has metamorphosized into.
<v Speaker 4>He's metamorphosized, alright, straordinary creature.
<v Speaker 2>I love that she doesn't run out the building. I
<v Speaker 2>know she's still concerned with her fucking scientific discovery. Here.
<v Speaker 2>He's got scientific observations to make you know. I'd be gone.
<v Speaker 2>Science ain't worth This ship.
<v Speaker 4>Is hulk wrecks the diner car that is in God,
<v Speaker 4>a child.
<v Speaker 2>Still a child, throwing a monster standrum which is a
<v Speaker 2>stealing corning from doesn't hold him piping and holds barred. Yeah, pounding,
<v Speaker 2>He just tries to lay pipe with right, jo Severan's
<v Speaker 2>just like a chromium.
<v Speaker 6>All or steel.
<v Speaker 7>And yet this creature is able to make incident by
<v Speaker 7>using both hands together.
<v Speaker 4>I seem to recall him breaking down a door this
<v Speaker 4>way too, with a NAT's handle.
<v Speaker 6>Contained in the chamber.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he probably did. He destroyed the cars and stuff.
<v Speaker 7>Right fuckingly broken off.
<v Speaker 2>I can't get through that, lady.
<v Speaker 4>He's loose, Oh my god, right through the window. I
<v Speaker 4>don't think we're starting to see the original uh seeds
<v Speaker 4>being planted for selling those hulk fists for such a
<v Speaker 4>big deal a while ago.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, I like those of a considerably larger.
<v Speaker 1>Orders, like being caged out.
<v Speaker 6>It's moving towards the elder hatch area.
<v Speaker 1>It's I don't know how long that hatch can hold it.
<v Speaker 2>Well, not anymore.
<v Speaker 4>His slow motion his hit. When the slow motion him
<v Speaker 4>it allows, he's much more believable. Yes, And if you
<v Speaker 4>saw him doing these things in real live action, that
<v Speaker 4>probably wouldn't look that.
<v Speaker 2>Devastating.
<v Speaker 3>There's no blood that I can see.
<v Speaker 2>It seems to be driven back his rage to escape.
<v Speaker 6>He's going.
<v Speaker 2>He's going to this. It's a tabolism.
<v Speaker 6>Must be going in an extraordinary rate, which would explain
<v Speaker 6>why David's.
<v Speaker 2>Quickly mm hmm. Here he goes and there is the
<v Speaker 2>pealing open the door. He is free. He has loose.
<v Speaker 4>What's he gonna do? Traps, just like Terry had back.
<v Speaker 4>It's as much about the traps as it is the biceps.
<v Speaker 4>That's all right, it's all right, munster man.
<v Speaker 2>That's it's.
<v Speaker 6>It's okay, it's okay.
<v Speaker 4>Can she George the animal steel? Elizabeth?
<v Speaker 6>Can you understand me?
<v Speaker 14>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Can you understand?
<v Speaker 9>Can you speak? Ah?
<v Speaker 20>Okay?
<v Speaker 2>Only burp o lord mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sounds to me that remember the cinemat crossover. M
<v Speaker 4>you gonna do what you're gonna do?
<v Speaker 1>Mhm, can you come with me?
<v Speaker 2>Heather clem trying to get him into bed. Here, shut
<v Speaker 2>shut he She has managed to slow him down substantially. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he's turning you you you you. She's just standing there
<v Speaker 2>like this is normal, right, like this is okay behavior.
<v Speaker 4>She lets out a huge exhal on the return of
<v Speaker 4>doctor banners.
<v Speaker 2>All right, you're back now. Of course, she's completely incredulous
<v Speaker 2>as to what just happened. Yep, that's a good commercial break,
<v Speaker 2>very nice, a very all right, back to the Dharma initiative.
<v Speaker 6>I mean I was sleeping, you were dreaming?
<v Speaker 2>What I was like dreaming the indicator.
<v Speaker 4>She's shilling in the EEG from when I was asleep.
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. Try try, oh, shut up, try try
<v Speaker 2>it might help us understand. Yes, Oh, everything was the accident, Lauren,
<v Speaker 2>I were driving.
<v Speaker 6>It was the accident. She was trapped in the car.
<v Speaker 4>Did you feel anything that's an got frustration, extreme.
<v Speaker 2>Anger, extreame anger, remember feeling? What is it anger?
<v Speaker 6>I was angry?
<v Speaker 2>Oh I know is I was angry?
<v Speaker 6>And last night I was angry too.
<v Speaker 9>I was.
<v Speaker 4>I was totally if he looked into this, But now
<v Speaker 4>that I kind of realized there was, this pilot film
<v Speaker 4>really is focusing on just that transition from Banner to
<v Speaker 4>Hulk and understanding it. What does the rest of the
<v Speaker 4>whole series look like? Does he like fight bad guys?
<v Speaker 4>Does he robberies?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, he he becomes like he you know, he
<v Speaker 2>becomes like an action hero.
<v Speaker 4>Does he run into any other supernatural enemies or does
<v Speaker 4>he battle humans?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 2>They mostly again they mostly kept away from that kind
<v Speaker 2>of stuff from kind of more the comic book he
<v Speaker 2>sci fi elements. It was that would but he would
<v Speaker 2>you know, he'd he'd fight bad guys and you know,
<v Speaker 2>conquer bad guy eyes and whatnot.
<v Speaker 6>That is just what this creature is like.
<v Speaker 18>It's like, it's like a childish.
<v Speaker 4>Sub human said, Hulk is like a childish sub human.
<v Speaker 4>That sounds like a professional wrestling enough from.
<v Speaker 2>Linda Hogan, that's not possible. She kind of gives off.
<v Speaker 2>Linda Hogan vibes.
<v Speaker 9>Off.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, they're concluding it must be his anger that triggers it.
<v Speaker 20>What do you know?
<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, the the second one, like like part
<v Speaker 2>of it is this you know, as we'll see at
<v Speaker 2>the end here in spoiler alert, like he runs off.
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's an element of the fugitive in the
<v Speaker 2>series in that he's a down right now over the
<v Speaker 2>fact that he can't control it. If he's anger, that
<v Speaker 2>triggers it controls anger, right, and so you know he's
<v Speaker 2>he's like a mix of trying to you know, find
<v Speaker 2>a cure for himself, but also yeah, you know he's
<v Speaker 2>he like you know them kill kills, bad guys or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>This warrid is going to kill somebody. And she says
<v Speaker 4>David Banner is not a killer, and he says, well,
<v Speaker 4>we're not dealing with David Banner and we're not dealing
<v Speaker 4>with Terry Boley dealing with That's right, won't kill I
<v Speaker 4>wonder if Terry ever thought of this and was like,
<v Speaker 4>you know what, brothers a lot more peril than my thought, dude,
<v Speaker 4>in that Terry Bulay cannot be blamed for things the
<v Speaker 4>Hulk does.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, brother, I mean, how can I know, how could
<v Speaker 2>how could Terry Blay be blamed for on the fans
<v Speaker 2>if it's who during the fans Broler, right, I struggled,
<v Speaker 2>just like Bruce Benner did do to kind of keep
<v Speaker 2>AI in on this thing, kind of gotten to all
<v Speaker 2>this thing back in Broler logical treatment to try to
<v Speaker 2>counteract the gamma rays. He dialed up the gamma rays.
<v Speaker 2>All right, problem, what is this guy?
<v Speaker 6>Some police here?
<v Speaker 2>Brother, probably that fucking old nanny threw in the water.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, that's the guy right there.
<v Speaker 17>Doctor Banner.
<v Speaker 6>Doctor, yeah, Scotty to drive.
<v Speaker 2>Up here, will you please? We'll do sir. There it is.
<v Speaker 4>Highway patrol pulling it up. A lab fucking chip that's coming.
<v Speaker 2>Up here, these guys. What's going on?
<v Speaker 6>All right here? We are all right?
<v Speaker 2>Nine one one, Yeah? Are you doctor Banner?
<v Speaker 11>Today we found an automobile registered to you overturned on
<v Speaker 11>the north side across.
<v Speaker 2>I understand that you are the proprietor of a h
<v Speaker 2>of A, an institute of scientific research. Sarah, what are you?
<v Speaker 2>Who are your fingers? I know I can't say that
<v Speaker 2>I understand what you're talking about. As he's talking to
<v Speaker 2>the cop, the journalist walks right up by the conversation.
<v Speaker 9>I thought a friend had taken it. Your friend wouldn't
<v Speaker 9>take a shoe about the size.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a footprint that's a plastic from Holt car.
<v Speaker 10>There were many of them in the mister McGee, we
<v Speaker 10>have no authoritative that those footprints are real, and we
<v Speaker 10>do not want to start a panic.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it's good.
<v Speaker 4>We don't want to start a panic around here. This
<v Speaker 4>journalist wants to play it up. That's the constant tension.
<v Speaker 4>Law enforcement wants to play it down. Journalists want to
<v Speaker 4>play it up.
<v Speaker 2>Right, No, no, I don't. It's a fact of life. Yep.
<v Speaker 7>You have twenty four hours to arrange to have the
<v Speaker 7>debris clear, that the highway patrol and take care of it,
<v Speaker 7>and you will be built.
<v Speaker 2>For It's worried about who's gonna have to pay the
<v Speaker 2>damage the bills? I mean not this fucking he Isn't
<v Speaker 2>he paying the bill either way? So like, why doesn't
<v Speaker 2>you just freaking let the cops do and I'll pay
<v Speaker 2>the bill. William Dafoe over here has got something else
<v Speaker 2>to say about it does look like William to vote
<v Speaker 2>an't he? What was it?
<v Speaker 9>Bigfoot?
<v Speaker 2>What was it? Bigfoot? Jolly green giant?
<v Speaker 6>There you go, big hug, not seven feet hulk?
<v Speaker 2>He said, there it is?
<v Speaker 9>You mean, looking scared the daylights out of the girls.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's talked he's talked to that little girl.
<v Speaker 9>Yep, old man shot the thing on the shoulder, and
<v Speaker 9>then what happened?
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Banner wants details. Now, he wants to talk to
<v Speaker 2>this guy. He wants to know what happens because he
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know what happened.
<v Speaker 9>I can picked the man up and threw him un
<v Speaker 9>estimated thirty yards looking.
<v Speaker 4>Gordon solely over here reporting out, Oh my god, he
<v Speaker 4>does look like Gordon. Isn't he like young Gordon?
<v Speaker 9>Are you sure that you don't know a little something
<v Speaker 9>about this? I mean the hawk's footprint was that.
<v Speaker 2>Hulk's foot printed? Is funny?
<v Speaker 4>How we just call him Hulk like that? He Hulk
<v Speaker 4>got his name from a random journalist to his trying
<v Speaker 4>to characterize it's funny.
<v Speaker 6>Oh, mister, have you been inoculated for?
<v Speaker 2>Brother? I'm sorry?
<v Speaker 8>What?
<v Speaker 2>What where you knocking?
<v Speaker 9>What you see?
<v Speaker 6>We have a live German culture incubating inside.
<v Speaker 4>I have a lot of coronavirus in here, Sir wouldn't
<v Speaker 4>walk again? What does he just like have a little
<v Speaker 4>stroke there?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 9>Anytime you.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good line. There we go.
<v Speaker 4>Anytime you feel an interview coming on, you get in touch.
<v Speaker 4>Sounds like you're boys on that fucking complete hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 6>At least we know where the bullet wound came from.
<v Speaker 2>The creature won't kill, hasn't killed, or won't kill? What
<v Speaker 2>is the hulk? What can we say about the hult?
<v Speaker 7>And all it did was break his rifle and throw
<v Speaker 7>him in the lake.
<v Speaker 1>It won't kill you, won't kill.
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't mind. Hulk won't kill.
<v Speaker 6>But I want to make sure that that never happens again.
<v Speaker 2>I want to be doctor Banner, not Doctor Jekyll. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we have to we we don't need to. We were
<v Speaker 2>to be reminded of the connection between doctor Jackel mister Hyde.
<v Speaker 4>Instead of leaving, the journalist just crouches in the brush. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 4>it's a cigarette. Tremendous looking at the building, internal Frank
<v Speaker 4>driving monologue, I couldn't help but think there might be
<v Speaker 4>something going on here for.
<v Speaker 18>A little while.
<v Speaker 2>No, he left the evening, Okay, good, still watching and
<v Speaker 2>where the hell was I right? Exactly?
<v Speaker 4>I thought as they drove off, I better leave this brush.
<v Speaker 4>And then it shows him put a toothbrush on the grass.
<v Speaker 2>And this one I mean, leaves the hair brush as well.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so this journalist is going to break in.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, you got to get the scoop right. Culver Institute
<v Speaker 2>kind of is like the Silver Dome.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you can see in the window a big damaged
<v Speaker 4>fuselage that hulk was in and broke to pieces.
<v Speaker 2>The hell is going on right here? Right? How that happened?
<v Speaker 9>I'll crack it up?
<v Speaker 2>Exposing himself to Gamma rays again? Why is he doing this?
<v Speaker 9>No?
<v Speaker 6>Why not?
<v Speaker 4>I don't know because it freaked him out what happened
<v Speaker 4>the last time. I don't know what makes him think
<v Speaker 4>redoing it's gonna help? Okay, ready, should has her to
<v Speaker 4>do it so you could have a mama hooked too,
<v Speaker 4>I guess yeah, three two one, gam activated once again.
<v Speaker 4>There's that noise. Now the journalist has made entry. Breaking
<v Speaker 4>and entering, I believe is what the police would call it.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he is just creepy looking, he really is.
<v Speaker 4>They find someone creepier looking in.
<v Speaker 2>The hope the experts treatment didn't tell. I mean, like,
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't trust him as a journalist at all.
<v Speaker 7>A favor get mad.
<v Speaker 2>Too soon? That was way too soon, there, lady materials
<v Speaker 2>together and let the people know too soon for what? Well,
<v Speaker 2>she said, just don't get mad? Come on, lady, what
<v Speaker 2>he's going through like, don't you don't you can't. Can't
<v Speaker 2>you appreciate the pain? The pain? Yeah, it's like what
<v Speaker 2>they called the movie in France when it came out
<v Speaker 2>Set of Incredible Hope. They called it the Pain, the pain,
<v Speaker 2>cry the pain, verdet and cryob Oh, jeez, incredible.
<v Speaker 14>Up.
<v Speaker 4>That changes the sense of things, doesn't it? What the
<v Speaker 4>hell is that is that crystal? A diamond?
<v Speaker 6>Hello? Diamond?
<v Speaker 2>What the hell is just leaving here? There's more down here?
<v Speaker 2>That's glass, It's broken glass. Gives a ship about glass?
<v Speaker 2>What then is this? Oh?
<v Speaker 4>They're coming back, but are hide in the closet. Something
<v Speaker 4>tells me he's gonna bear witness to another hunt outburst.
<v Speaker 2>The walls are made of lead. Oh he heard him
<v Speaker 2>pizza a pizza box. I don't think so, no more,
<v Speaker 2>you think okay, Always going into the same store, droom
<v Speaker 2>the journalist. Is this the bathroom?
<v Speaker 4>I'm walking around the cas a place, something spelling in there.
<v Speaker 2>The cops.
<v Speaker 4>I'm dying that all the cops. I'm dying to hear
<v Speaker 4>you explain that exploded, telling him in a pressuration test
<v Speaker 4>exploded and he doesn't buy it.
<v Speaker 9>I heard you talking about your friend coming back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I heard you talking about coming back. I heard
<v Speaker 2>you talking about your friend coming back. That spelling producing smoke.
<v Speaker 2>H what do you say about that? Doctor? Huh?
<v Speaker 9>Really, what happens?
<v Speaker 2>You can't bullshit? A bullshit are here? Fortunately for you,
<v Speaker 2>we took it back to the main lab. What the
<v Speaker 2>cool wins? I mean, really, that's the fucking name he
<v Speaker 2>gave McGhee.
<v Speaker 4>Apparently. Uh oh, since Jude's private property.
<v Speaker 9>Sir, creature, it is your duty to report.
<v Speaker 8>You.
<v Speaker 9>I have never seen this creature that you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Give me fair share. That's actually fair. He has never
<v Speaker 2>seen the creature, right that lie?
<v Speaker 4>Forgive me, doctor, But I am calling you a liar.
<v Speaker 6>You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Don't make me angry.
<v Speaker 4>Uh oh, rollers is the smoke rising from that spilling substance?
<v Speaker 4>Oh ship, Oh she's dead. No way she survived that explosion. Oh,
<v Speaker 4>Doctor Banner is gonna rush into the flames looking like
<v Speaker 4>Gino Hernandez.
<v Speaker 2>Helena. Oh explosion after explosion.
<v Speaker 14>M h.
<v Speaker 2>Uh Oh.
<v Speaker 4>The Caesar splayed out on the floor unconscious. Yeah, gotta turning.
<v Speaker 4>All eyes turned green? So such as anger. I guess
<v Speaker 4>it's anxiety or stressing any type. Yeah, usually it's that's
<v Speaker 4>what it is. Yeah, yeah, his back need a frame.
<v Speaker 4>You just gonna take a minute to war at the
<v Speaker 4>flame before he does something.
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<v Speaker 4>root for it now makes the same feature a UTC
<v Speaker 4>staple the family feed music.
<v Speaker 2>There we go. Think it rises from the flames at
<v Speaker 2>the perfect time. Oh my god, here it goes.
<v Speaker 4>It comes upon her as that it's the science witches.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, just feels so much less stressful watching
<v Speaker 4>it to this music, doesn't It lifts the ward offer
<v Speaker 4>her ooh, lifts her up.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this is hull can Elizabeth if you
<v Speaker 2>realize that totally is.
<v Speaker 4>O from the exit planning are up the stairs. He
<v Speaker 4>comes out of the flames with Elizabeth in his arms.
<v Speaker 2>Perfect end. Here comes his explosion from da it's gonna
<v Speaker 2>end writing the song does.
<v Speaker 4>Hello, building some shop with the ex sound moment, the
<v Speaker 4>sound hands the mushroom cloud, Oh chest, help to me
<v Speaker 4>blea shit, Oh shit.
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.
<v Speaker 4>Oh because running through the woods with Elizabeth.
<v Speaker 2>Looks like an idiot, looks like a fucking wrestled, like
<v Speaker 2>doing the their their fucking breathing technique.
<v Speaker 4>There, Yes, David, she's alive. And she comes to it's
<v Speaker 4>Hulk looking at her, not banner. It's gonna put his
<v Speaker 4>her finger in his mouth.
<v Speaker 2>It looks like he's No, you won't. Uh h.
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you can understand.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you can understand me. She says,
<v Speaker 4>I should know something, but I want you to know something,
<v Speaker 4>dear David.
<v Speaker 2>I have loved you.
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, okay, well all right, well it's inappropriate in
<v Speaker 4>the workplace.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's like that girl whispering I love you into.
<v Speaker 3>Me.
<v Speaker 2>Stewart's here, Stewart, Yeah, you're right. She just passed out.
<v Speaker 4>M M, I always love you, George Bailey, and he
<v Speaker 4>lets out a whale of grief upon her death. So
<v Speaker 4>she's done in the first episode.
<v Speaker 2>I guess.
<v Speaker 4>Now he's gonna be pissed for the rest of his
<v Speaker 4>lad lost to women now and including in his invincible skin.
<v Speaker 4>There can be many more random Hulk outbreaks to come.
<v Speaker 4>For one absolutely one per week for five seasons at
<v Speaker 4>that right, and probably two per week during sweeps, just
<v Speaker 4>leaves her corpse in the woods and walks away. Gay
<v Speaker 4>thrower three hundred yards in the in the water too,
<v Speaker 4>bade the black and there marks his grave and next
<v Speaker 4>to her David Bruce Banner. David Bruce Banner presumed dead.
<v Speaker 2>And the explosion and yes, I give VPS. We're at
<v Speaker 2>the actual service here the burial journalists there. Wow, dickhead,
<v Speaker 2>I want to read my story fucking Chevy Chase over here.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna say that Chevy Chase and the Incredible Hulk
<v Speaker 2>kills two.
<v Speaker 4>That was the headline, Incredible Hulk Kills two.
<v Speaker 2>And that's right, doctor.
<v Speaker 9>I saw that creature.
<v Speaker 2>I saw what that creature did to a steel chair.
<v Speaker 9>I heard your friends talk.
<v Speaker 2>He fucking sounds like Gordon Sooley. It's not even funny.
<v Speaker 9>Description. Law enforcement agencies, I got a warrant.
<v Speaker 4>Murder weren't for murder out there, and they were worried
<v Speaker 4>when he eaves dropped that the Hulk would come back
<v Speaker 4>in any time when they grab it. That's gonna be
<v Speaker 4>one of the great stories of the twentieth century. It's
<v Speaker 4>going to be there to cover it, no question about it. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 4>it's gonna be an empty casket. Loof Rigno's head fucking
<v Speaker 4>pops out from the ground. Yeah, it's the countertaker. There
<v Speaker 4>is doctor Banner now walking amongst the gravestones, because of
<v Speaker 4>course he's not dead.
<v Speaker 2>I suggest that our research materials together.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, past conversations with Lena ring around in his head.
<v Speaker 4>Stay away from this fucking guys, right, Jesus.
<v Speaker 2>About that?
<v Speaker 4>Visiting his own grave and bell bottoms. There's some wide pants.
<v Speaker 4>Were you street sweeping?
<v Speaker 8>Ye?
<v Speaker 2>Well he need it for the Hulk. You got whiter calves,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, I bet it gets a lot of well,
<v Speaker 2>she's got the caskets, he's got no casket.
<v Speaker 4>Right, a lot of chafing with those thigh muscles.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I imagine Jay Bannair. That would be his name.
<v Speaker 2>Elena Grave. It's fucking like basically like those little designs
<v Speaker 2>are like her nipples and he's like rubbing them. So
<v Speaker 2>that's how we're gonna end this thing.
<v Speaker 4>Him just harassing Elena's grave.
<v Speaker 2>So fucking perverted. Ah oh yeah, Elena.
<v Speaker 4>Small smile forms on his face and he returns the
<v Speaker 4>I love you.
<v Speaker 2>To her.
<v Speaker 6>I think too.
<v Speaker 2>Well, So he doesn't know, right, he doesn't know. He
<v Speaker 2>didn't that she told right, she loved him. She told
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk this, she didn't tell Bruce walks away from
<v Speaker 2>the grave and presume we roll credits, Yes, there we go. Written,
<v Speaker 2>produced and directed by Kenneth Johnson.
<v Speaker 4>There's no turning back now. The Incredible Hulk is in
<v Speaker 4>the ether. And you better believe that future bookers of
<v Speaker 4>One Terry Bolea are paying close attention.
<v Speaker 20>Boss.
<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right. And what I can promise you this
<v Speaker 2>is this is definitely not the last time we will
<v Speaker 2>see the Incredible Hulk character under the cinemat for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Just an appetizer, Just an appetizer that's further down the line.
<v Speaker 2>And well, that wraps it up for us this week
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