Flash Gordon (1980) vs. Highlander (1986): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious podcast. We are here today to talk about
<v Speaker 1>two iconic movies from the eighties, one of which is
<v Speaker 1>celebrating its fortieth anniversary just a couple of months ago,
<v Speaker 1>the other of which is celebrating its thirty fifth anniversary
<v Speaker 1>in a month or so right around this time. And
<v Speaker 1>they are both cult classics.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, today we're going to be discussing Flash Gordon nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty and Highlander nineteen eighty six. We are going to
<v Speaker 2>have so much freaking fun talking about these movies.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Jason, our executive producer for this episode is your
<v Speaker 1>dear friend, mister Dale Selby. I want to give a
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So with most movies that we compare, we save
<v Speaker 1>final judgment for the end, and in this particular scenario,
<v Speaker 1>we have an unfair comparison. Right, there's one obvious movie
<v Speaker 1>that is better than the other movie in this comparison,
<v Speaker 1>and that movie is Highlight. Shut your dirty mouth.
<v Speaker 2>Flash Gordon. It's Highlander, Flash Gordon is. It's clearly the winner.
<v Speaker 2>I love both. I can't believe we decided this already.
<v Speaker 1>What. Okay, so Flash Gordon is like an over budgeted
<v Speaker 1>high school musical. What are you talking about?
<v Speaker 2>We're comparing it to the movie where the leads can't
<v Speaker 2>even speak English.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I guess we need to jump into the
<v Speaker 1>discussion now because there can.
<v Speaker 3>Be only one to the dad Gum.
<v Speaker 1>That song kicks so much. But I mean, I don't
<v Speaker 1>care which movie you're picking. That is the song of
<v Speaker 1>all of the songs on both of these soundtracks. That
<v Speaker 1>is the most awesome.
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome. It gets my you know what, it.
<v Speaker 1>Does, get your you know what, It gets my you
<v Speaker 1>know what too.
<v Speaker 2>It gets it gets me going man.
<v Speaker 1>Make that feel like a man.
<v Speaker 2>That might be my favorite Queen song of all time.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I mean that is up there with the
<v Speaker 2>big boys, you know, Bohemian Rhapsody and I Want.
<v Speaker 1>It All and We Will Rock You.
<v Speaker 2>It's up there, Princes of the Universe. Freaking awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well, So, as we mentioned before, these are two
<v Speaker 1>cult classics. They were not super popular movies. They were
<v Speaker 1>not in the US when they first came out, but
<v Speaker 1>thanks to Queen and thanks to a following that developed
<v Speaker 1>over time for both of them, they have become iconic
<v Speaker 1>movies that have stood the test.
<v Speaker 3>Of com.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think HBO and VHS were vital to these two.
<v Speaker 1>Both of my experiences were with a video, although I
<v Speaker 1>think with Flashboard and I actually get to see that
<v Speaker 1>one in the thing.
<v Speaker 2>I saw that in the theater as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't se Highlander until I was in college.
<v Speaker 2>This is the honest truth on both of these movies.
<v Speaker 2>Each time I watch them, I like them a little
<v Speaker 2>bit better every time I watch. Yeah, they are so
<v Speaker 2>much fun.
<v Speaker 1>And I'll say this, There's a documentary that came out
<v Speaker 1>about four years ago called Life After Flash It's largely
<v Speaker 1>involved Sam Jones, but it has everybody in there. Surprisingly,
<v Speaker 1>almost all of them are still alive as old as
<v Speaker 1>that movie is. But it's a fantastic documentary that I
<v Speaker 1>encourage anybody to check out, very good quality stuff. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I watched it too, and it made me love Sam
<v Speaker 2>Jones even more.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, what a super guy. Yeah. I kind
<v Speaker 1>of wish that I had seen the documentary before I
<v Speaker 1>rewatched Flash Gordon. I think I may have enjoyed it more.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you really, he was a guy who screwed up,
<v Speaker 1>owned it and has done everything he can to change
<v Speaker 1>his life to.
<v Speaker 4>Make about it.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, we're going to dive in.
<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about Flash Gordon first.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to jump into the history. All right.
<v Speaker 2>Flash Gordon was released December fifth, nineteen eighty, or the
<v Speaker 2>budget of twenty seven million dollars, and it made about
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven million dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, so it came Flash Gordon was born in
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties. I mean, the character was created in
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen thirties. The King Features Syndicate was looking for
<v Speaker 1>a character that it could use to compete with this
<v Speaker 1>new character that had come out called buck Rogers. All Right,
<v Speaker 1>so buck Rogers was a space adventure. They're like, we
<v Speaker 1>need a space adventure of our own. They actually had
<v Speaker 1>an artist working for them who came up with this
<v Speaker 1>fantastic idea of a polo player from Yale that saved
<v Speaker 1>the universe. A polo player, a polo player because.
<v Speaker 2>That was, you know, kind of the tough guy sport
<v Speaker 2>of the thirties.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And so Flash Gordon was immediately successful, had the toys,
<v Speaker 1>had the comic strips, and then of course it started
<v Speaker 1>having cereals, you know, and we had Buster Crabb, who
<v Speaker 1>was an Olympic athlete, picturesque godlike you know, physique guy.
<v Speaker 1>He was a stud of the thirties. He absolutely was.
<v Speaker 1>And he played Flash Gordon in the movies, and he
<v Speaker 1>played Flash Gordon in the serials, and then a little
<v Speaker 1>later on he played Buck Rogers really also in the thirties. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of crazy. He was also in Buck Rogers
<v Speaker 1>of the twenty fourth century.
<v Speaker 2>Drudgers in the twenty fourth and I have twenty fifth century.
<v Speaker 1>It's the twenty fifth century, right, Okay. His character's name
<v Speaker 1>was Commander Gordon Nice.
<v Speaker 2>Nice is cool.
<v Speaker 1>So he's in those serials in the thirties and forties.
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a guy named Steve Holland who's in
<v Speaker 1>a TV show about Flash Gordon in the fifties, which
<v Speaker 1>is a very important TV show for one reason. There's
<v Speaker 1>this kid in the nineteen fifties watching TV named George
<v Speaker 1>who decides that he wants to grow up to be
<v Speaker 1>a movie director, and he wants to direct a movie
<v Speaker 1>about Flashcourdon.
<v Speaker 4>Little George, Little Georgie Lucas, Little Georgie Lucas.
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime. Unfortunately for him, this guy named Dino
<v Speaker 1>de la Reentes obtains the screen rights to Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>It gets stuck in development. Hell Dyala Rennis has Frederick
<v Speaker 1>Fellini's the guy he wants to direct it. Have you
<v Speaker 1>seen any of Fellini's stuff?
<v Speaker 2>No, but I know he's revered.
<v Speaker 1>He's bizarre. Okay, it is. It's weird now. Dino had
<v Speaker 1>had some success with some comic adaptations. He had done Barbarella,
<v Speaker 1>and he had done this thing called Danger Diabolic. But
<v Speaker 1>for some reason Flash Gordon couldn't get off the ground.
<v Speaker 1>Space Adventures had kind of fallen out of favor in
<v Speaker 1>the seventies. You had more it was more like sci
<v Speaker 1>fi dystopia type of stuff. When he goes to get
<v Speaker 1>to the see if he can direct the movie from
<v Speaker 1>King Syndicate Features, they say no, Dala Renis already has
<v Speaker 1>it and he doesn't want you to direct. I guess
<v Speaker 1>I'll go direct my own space opera.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this movie called Star Wars.
<v Speaker 1>It had just a smidgeon of success, just a teeny
<v Speaker 1>bit of success, and so suddenly Flash Gordon was moving
<v Speaker 1>on up out of development hell and into production.
<v Speaker 2>It's really it's incredible how these movies are so intertwined.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and Lucas totally stole, Like the scrolling
<v Speaker 1>credits at the beginning of Star Wars totally comes from
<v Speaker 1>the flashboard and Cereals the buns in her hair comes
<v Speaker 1>from the flashboardon comic books. I mean, he took all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of liberties, but you know, shame on them for
<v Speaker 1>turning him down when he asked to come direct it.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, Darth Vader and Ming the Merciless.
<v Speaker 1>Similar I mean, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>The two biggest batties in the universe.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all of a sudden, everybody's making space movies, right,
<v Speaker 1>So at this point Fellini has moved on, He's not
<v Speaker 1>in it anymore.
<v Speaker 2>So he taps Nicholas Rogue.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Nick Rogue is also kind strange.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does this movie called The Man Who Fell.
<v Speaker 1>To Earth, Yeah, had David Bowie in it. So he
<v Speaker 1>goes with the guy who wrote Enter the Dragon that
<v Speaker 1>edbrus Lee in it. He goes with that guy I
<v Speaker 1>don't rememberhere the guy's name is. They go and work
<v Speaker 1>on the script together, and they come up with a
<v Speaker 1>really good, deep, meaningful, symbol great script, and Dino da
<v Speaker 1>Reente says, no, this is this is not what I want.
<v Speaker 1>I want a comic book, and this is going to
<v Speaker 1>cost me way too much money. Yes, you're out, Let
<v Speaker 1>me find somebody else. And so he picks up Mike Hodges,
<v Speaker 1>who he had already slated to direct flashcoord in Part two.
<v Speaker 2>Really okay, well optimism you know, yeah, sure, Mike Hodges
<v Speaker 2>did the Terminal Man, Get Carter, Yeah, and Flash Cord right.
<v Speaker 1>Terminal Man was the only sci fi experience that he
<v Speaker 1>had well.
<v Speaker 2>At this point, Dino has worked with the screenwriter named
<v Speaker 2>Lorenzo Simple.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we've talked about Lorenzo Simple before.
<v Speaker 2>Yes. He wrote and Never Say Never Again exactly. He
<v Speaker 2>also wrote Three Days of the Condor Papion King Kong
<v Speaker 2>and was known to be the main guy who wrote
<v Speaker 2>the Batman series from the sixties.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Adam West series Yes.
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy who came up with Bam pal crash right,
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and say they went they went to him specifically
<v Speaker 1>and said, we want a comic book movie like your
<v Speaker 1>comic book series. He said, this movie was just supposed
<v Speaker 1>to be fine.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so stop right there. Yeah, Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>If you take Star Wars, yes, and mash it up
<v Speaker 2>with Batman in the sixties series Flash Cord, it gives birth
<v Speaker 2>to this wonderful thing we called Flashboard two.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this colorful thing that we call it.
<v Speaker 2>Fun awesome, goofy, this campy, fun thing we called Flashbock.
<v Speaker 1>It is perfect for kids. Keep going, let's see. Oh,
<v Speaker 1>but the guy who ultimately is responsible for the way
<v Speaker 1>that the whole movie works is this guy called Donna Elodonardi. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>he had more influence over the way the thing looked
<v Speaker 1>than anybody else, which is a little bit of a
<v Speaker 1>problem because he didn't speak English. Number one and number two,
<v Speaker 1>he refused to read the script.
<v Speaker 2>He would make stuff and the director's like, what the
<v Speaker 2>crap is this?
<v Speaker 1>Ye pink trees, he had pink a boia was pink,
<v Speaker 1>and it was and he would build these sets and
<v Speaker 1>it was there was so much stuff on the set
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't know where to set up the camera.
<v Speaker 1>There was no place they couldn't move around. It was
<v Speaker 1>just like Mike Hodges said, I think he was just
<v Speaker 1>out there just having fun. He didn't really care that
<v Speaker 1>we were making a movie.
<v Speaker 2>Mike Hodges needs a round of applause and a pat
<v Speaker 2>on the back for stealing this great movie out of
<v Speaker 2>the depths of this craziness.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the crew was Italian. Yeah, the cast was English,
<v Speaker 2>mostly an American. They couldn't talk to each other. Dina
<v Speaker 2>d l Lorenz just barely speaks English.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Sam J.
<v Speaker 2>Jones has never been in a movie before. I mean
<v Speaker 2>he'd been in one or two things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you been to Blake Edwards was the playgirl, and
<v Speaker 1>he had been in Hollywood Squares, the data game.
<v Speaker 2>The dating game.
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was, the dating game. So that's we
<v Speaker 1>should We should go there in just a second when
<v Speaker 1>we start talking about the actors. But before we do that,
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the beginning of highlight.
<v Speaker 2>Let's it's a kind of magic.
<v Speaker 1>It's a good magic.
<v Speaker 2>So Highlander was released March seventh, nineteen eighty six. This
<v Speaker 2>had a budget of nineteen million dollars in its box
<v Speaker 2>office was thirteen million dollars. This was originally titled The
<v Speaker 2>Dark Knight.
<v Speaker 1>Yes. The idea for the story was born from the
<v Speaker 1>imagination of the writer Gregory Wyden. Gregory when he was
<v Speaker 1>about nineteen years old, he went to the Tower of
<v Speaker 1>London and down in the basement of the Tower of London,
<v Speaker 1>they have like the largest armory museum in the world, right, right,
<v Speaker 1>And so he's looking at all of these suits of
<v Speaker 1>armor and other war battle increment weapon things, swords and
<v Speaker 1>about armor and shields, and he's like, what if there
<v Speaker 1>was a guy who was in a bunch of these things,
<v Speaker 1>like he had worn these things throughout history. And that
<v Speaker 1>was the spark that led to the idea of the
<v Speaker 1>immortal man who has worn all of these battle uniforms
<v Speaker 1>throughout his wory.
<v Speaker 2>It's such a simple idea, but it's such a good hook, right, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's fantastic. What if there was a guy hook who
<v Speaker 2>didn't die and this was his armor?
<v Speaker 1>Right? So Gregory White and he went to UCLA to
<v Speaker 1>get his film degree. He had actually planned initially he
<v Speaker 1>had planned to be a doctor. Really yeah, okay, And
<v Speaker 1>so while he was still just out of high school.
<v Speaker 1>He had gotten his paramedic certificate because he thought that's
<v Speaker 1>a good way to get familiar with the medical field, right.
<v Speaker 1>And so when he goes out to UCLA to go
<v Speaker 1>to film school there he gets a job as a firefighter,
<v Speaker 1>which is why later on he goes on to write
<v Speaker 1>the script for the movie Backdraft.
<v Speaker 2>This guy is taking the most of his opportunities, right, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm here at Tower of London. Boom script, my part
<v Speaker 2>time job, fireman, boom script.
<v Speaker 1>He wrote and directed this series called The Prophecy. I
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it. I don't know if it's any good. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Walking, Yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Waltkins like Gabriel the Archangel. Yeah, and he's like pissed,
<v Speaker 2>so oh wow, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I like it. So he has this grad project
<v Speaker 1>of writing a script. He uses the idea that he
<v Speaker 1>came up with from his strip to the Tower of
<v Speaker 1>London to write this script. And congratulations to his professor.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember his professor's name, but he said, instead
<v Speaker 1>of saying things like professors say sometimes to their students,
<v Speaker 1>so this is scrap and here's all the thing's wrong
<v Speaker 1>with it, he said, this is a really good script.
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, this is so good, I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to put you in contact with this guy that
<v Speaker 1>I know that's an agent. We're going to see if
<v Speaker 1>we can option it off for you. And that's what
<v Speaker 1>they did, and the script got picked up. Grad student
<v Speaker 1>gets paid two hundred thousand dollars for the script. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was.
<v Speaker 2>Two hundred a lot of money.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of money.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he could have done what miss what's her
<v Speaker 2>face did in Christmas story and said C plus you
<v Speaker 2>know plus. But yeah, he told me this is good
<v Speaker 2>enough to turn into an agent.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's And so the guys that pick up his
<v Speaker 1>script are called William Panzer and Peter Davis. Okay, and
<v Speaker 1>so they've got this script that they like a lot,
<v Speaker 1>they do decide they're going to make some changes to it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>The original script was a good deal darker, not as funny,
<v Speaker 1>and didn't have a romance story to it.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good move. Yeah, some other changes that it had.
<v Speaker 2>The immortals could have children, right, so like McLeod had
<v Speaker 2>like thirty seven thirty seven children?
<v Speaker 1>Right, Why did you have thirty seven children? Because we
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to have thirty.
<v Speaker 2>The Kurgan was a little different too. He had been
<v Speaker 2>over time, he had been cut up and beat up
<v Speaker 2>and burned, and he was much more grotesque character.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he also was a more sympathetic villain.
<v Speaker 2>The only thing he had was the prize, like that
<v Speaker 2>was the only thing he was going for.
<v Speaker 1>Right, He had lost everything over his centuries of living.
<v Speaker 1>He had lost all meaning to life except for this
<v Speaker 1>one thing, the prize at the end, to finish this competition,
<v Speaker 1>and that was what got him up out of bed.
<v Speaker 1>Everything we got, we got Joker from the Dark Night,
<v Speaker 1>we got Clancy Brown full on Psycho.
<v Speaker 2>It's better to burn out than fade away.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say for Clancy Brown, I mean he Clancy
<v Speaker 1>Brown wanted it to be more like the character was written.
<v Speaker 1>He had this idea that he was going to be
<v Speaker 1>in a bowler hat and like a nice suit instead
<v Speaker 1>of dressed like a punk rocker rest of the time,
<v Speaker 1>and was into this idea of there being an intellectual
<v Speaker 1>motivation behind the darkness that he had. But he did
<v Speaker 1>Psycho real well. He did Psycho really well. It kind
<v Speaker 1>of made the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely This guy's awesome. So Clancy Brown, you probably recognize
<v Speaker 2>him as the bad Cop Captain Hadley from The Shawshank Redemption.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the unbelievable prick actually had the audacity act magnanimous
<v Speaker 1>about it, right. He was also in Starship Troopers and
<v Speaker 1>he was also I didn't know this. He's done a
<v Speaker 1>lot of voice work, but he was Curterer in Thor Ragnarok,
<v Speaker 1>the big horned villain at the beginning the fights at
<v Speaker 1>the end. That's Brown doing that part.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a great voice, which is huge.
<v Speaker 1>Later on, I got a little secret thing that I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about with Thor Ragnarok and Flashboard a
<v Speaker 1>little bit later on. But there's connection. There's always these connections,
<v Speaker 1>and I got it coming up. Okay, awesome, awesome. So
<v Speaker 1>William Panzer and Peter Davis have the script, they decide
<v Speaker 1>they want to make some changes to it, and then
<v Speaker 1>they decide, okay, now we've got to get a director
<v Speaker 1>to direct it, right, And so they've got a list
<v Speaker 1>of like twenty directors to look at, and somehow somebody
<v Speaker 1>gives them this movie called Razorback, Razorback, Razorback, which is
<v Speaker 1>an Australian movie that is basically Jaws in the Outback
<v Speaker 1>with a giant pig as.
<v Speaker 2>The Shark sounds great, sounds great.
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that it's one of those movies that you
<v Speaker 1>just think this sounds like the biggest pile of crap,
<v Speaker 1>but it is actually really pretty good. I want to
<v Speaker 1>go see it. I've watched the trailer and I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>this is actually interesting enough that I would go watch it.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it, but I can tell you also
<v Speaker 1>the interviews that I heard, they said they watched the
<v Speaker 1>first ten minutes of this movie and they said, that's
<v Speaker 1>our guy.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's name is Russell mckahey.
<v Speaker 1>Then they watched derand Duran's Hungry Like a Wolf and
<v Speaker 1>they said, that is definitely our guy.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's known.
<v Speaker 1>For music videos, right, and some that we've talked about
<v Speaker 1>in the past, including Bonnie Tyler totally Clips of the Heart,
<v Speaker 1>totally Clips of the Heart. But he also did the
<v Speaker 1>very first video that appeared on MTV by the Buggles.
<v Speaker 1>He's the one who directed video Killed the Radio Star.
<v Speaker 2>That is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>The third installment that we've talked about that he directed, yes,
<v Speaker 1>was from our def Leppard episode Okay. He directed the
<v Speaker 1>Pour Some Sugar on Me video. The Pour Some Sugar
<v Speaker 1>on Me video No, not that one, not that one. No,
<v Speaker 1>the first one, the horrible was the one that directed
<v Speaker 1>that one where they're in the old lady's house and
<v Speaker 1>you have the random crowd of people I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>the wrecking ball and the manly women.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, go back, flashback our Death Leopard Hysteria episode. Go
<v Speaker 2>listen to us talk about that crazy, crappy video. And
<v Speaker 2>then they said put that one in the trash, and
<v Speaker 2>they made the one that we all.
<v Speaker 1>Know and love right that. He did not direct that one,
<v Speaker 1>but he did direct Hungary Like the Wolf, and that
<v Speaker 1>was enough to get him this job.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Hungry Like the Wolf was a great video.
<v Speaker 2>Did Betty Davis Eyes, He did Wild Boys by Director a.
<v Speaker 1>Ton of Billy Joel videos he was. And he did
<v Speaker 1>some queen stuff too.
<v Speaker 2>He did Princes of the Universe. Yeah, you might as
<v Speaker 2>well just go direct the music video myself. Right, and
<v Speaker 2>let's go ahead and have Freddie Mercury fights with swords.
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Lambert, are you ready.
<v Speaker 1>To jump into casting?
<v Speaker 2>Let's go into casting, all right, back to Flashboard. There
<v Speaker 2>is some connective tissue between these two movies. Okay, casting wise, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>The number one draft choice to play the lead character
<v Speaker 2>in Flashcoordon number.
<v Speaker 1>One draft choice for the quarterback for the New York Jets.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, and the number one draft choice to play
<v Speaker 2>the Highlander in Highlander.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was Kurt Russell. Both movies, both movies, both movies.
<v Speaker 1>He was number one choice.
<v Speaker 2>He was the number one choice. They offered him Flash
<v Speaker 2>Gordon and he turned it down. Yes, they offered him Highlander.
<v Speaker 1>He accepted, and then Goldie Hawn said, your Scottish accent sucks.
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know what she said. Let's go make Overboard.
<v Speaker 1>Oh is that what happened?
<v Speaker 2>That's what happened.
<v Speaker 1>She talked him out of it.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know goldiehan in nineteen eighty seven had some pool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that bikini in Overboard.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Hello, Arnold Schwarzenegger almost got the part as Splash Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>Can I just say something real quick? Yes on this topic.
<v Speaker 1>In the movie Overboard, you have the perfect connection between
<v Speaker 1>Fright Night and The Lost Boys because you have ed Herman,
<v Speaker 1>who played Max and the Lost Boys on the same
<v Speaker 1>ship with Roddy McDowell, who played.
<v Speaker 2>Mister Vincent Vincent in Fright Night. That is incredible. I
<v Speaker 2>did not make that connection until just now. All right,
<v Speaker 2>So Kurt Russell was supposed to be Flash Gordon. Sam J.
<v Speaker 2>Jones got this because Dino de la renz IS's mom
<v Speaker 2>was watching the dating game and there's this guy she
<v Speaker 2>thought was really good looking. Sam J.
<v Speaker 1>Jones, Yeah, okay, how does that conversation go. We're having
<v Speaker 1>trouble finding an actor to play this part. Oh you
<v Speaker 1>know what, I saw a very handsome boy game.
<v Speaker 2>You should give him a call. He's a very wholesome
<v Speaker 2>American boy.
<v Speaker 1>How does a guy who's produced multiple movies go? Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's a good.
<v Speaker 2>Good idea, Mom, good idea, So listen to this. Arne Schwarzenegger,
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh didn't get the part because he had an accent.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so let's just wait until he's a barbarian mister
<v Speaker 1>Dino Dila Reentez and make his accent part of the character.
<v Speaker 1>I guess.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So he brought him back for Conan, right, and then
<v Speaker 1>off he goes. Flash Gordon has to be an all
<v Speaker 1>American guy.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Jeff Bridges and Harvey Kaitel were considered for the
<v Speaker 2>role of Flashes.
<v Speaker 1>See that's fascinating because Highlander is largely influenced by the duelists.
<v Speaker 1>Which is Ridley Scott's first movie about this continuing battle
<v Speaker 1>of swords that happens, and Harvey Kaitel is one of
<v Speaker 1>the main guys in them.
<v Speaker 2>There you go. So when Dino brought in Sam J.
<v Speaker 2>Jones before we get off of Sam J. Jones, he
<v Speaker 2>brought him in, he didn't talk directly to him. He
<v Speaker 2>just tucked around him. So it's like it was literally
<v Speaker 2>like a model. Oh yes, turn around please, oh yes, okay,
<v Speaker 2>And he was talking to his producer and he's like, yes,
<v Speaker 2>I think this is our flesh and let's face the
<v Speaker 2>Sam J. Jones, big strong, athletic looking dude. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>mean he had he was a model.
<v Speaker 1>He was a model. And it's funny that you say
<v Speaker 1>that because, like Mike Hodges, after the animosity that developed
<v Speaker 1>over the shooting of this movie, at some point said
<v Speaker 1>to Dino de learned is why did you why did
<v Speaker 1>you pick me to direct this? Like you know what,
<v Speaker 1>what about my past made you? And he and Dino
<v Speaker 1>de larn says, I like your face.
<v Speaker 2>Well, oddly enough, that was not the worst choice or
<v Speaker 2>the weirdest choice that Dino da Lawrence has made while
<v Speaker 2>casting Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so.
<v Speaker 2>While he is looking for doctor Zarkoff, it came down
<v Speaker 2>to two guys. Topel, who.
<v Speaker 1>Is this the Little Girl Life?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Fiddler on the Roof to me? He is
<v Speaker 2>also Colombo from forty Your Eyes Only. He is James
<v Speaker 2>Bond guy, right, But he also wanted this guy named
<v Speaker 2>Warren Oates. You know him a wild bunch, Well yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but you probably know him better as Sergeant Hulkin from Stripes.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, uh, lighting up Francis.
<v Speaker 2>And so they couldn't decide between Warren Oates and Topal. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so they flipped a coin like legitimately, Like he said,
<v Speaker 2>I've made some of my best decisions by doing this flip. Topel,
<v Speaker 2>You're in all right? Max von Sideal got the part
<v Speaker 2>of ming the Merciless.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because he was a big fan of the comic
<v Speaker 1>books growing up and he was excited to play this villain.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>He had played Jesus Christ. Yes, most people probably know
<v Speaker 2>hi from The Exorcist, right he was the priest and
<v Speaker 2>the Exorcist. Yeah, he actually plays the devil in Needful Things.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he's one of the few guys who's played
<v Speaker 2>Jesus and the Devil in his acting Christ interesting yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so he's being the merciless. One of the guys that
<v Speaker 2>they had originally looked at was Keith Carrody.
<v Speaker 1>So Keith Carodine was the other guy in the duel
<v Speaker 1>list with Harvey Kaitel.
<v Speaker 2>There you go, good job. Also considered for the role
<v Speaker 2>of doctor Zarkov was Dennis Hopper. Kind of interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, that had been weird.
<v Speaker 2>This is the one that blows me away. Okay, now
<v Speaker 2>before I say this, I believe that they really knocked
<v Speaker 2>it out of the park with casting on Flash Courton, Okay, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Sam J. Jones and Melody Anderson were if he leads yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Topel Home Run.
<v Speaker 1>Well, Melody Anderson got the part, like she didn't even
<v Speaker 1>get the part. Initially it went to some sort of
<v Speaker 1>swimsuit model and then Dino de la Renis, in his
<v Speaker 1>normal style, was like, Nope, I change my mind. Let's
<v Speaker 1>get this other girl. And she literally they called her
<v Speaker 1>it said can you come to London tonight.
<v Speaker 2>She says she felt like she was kidnapped. Yes, Like
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I've got a v show.
<v Speaker 1>Phone call and now I'm on a plane and now
<v Speaker 1>my hair is getting dyed and we're starting production.
<v Speaker 2>Which we got to talk about that real quick. Sam J.
<v Speaker 2>Jones has brown hair. They bleached it blonde. Melody Anderson
<v Speaker 2>has blonde hair. Ye, they colored it brown.
<v Speaker 1>Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Continuing on with that thought, Max fun side Al awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Peter Winguard Wineguard was played.
<v Speaker 2>He was awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, had to learn how to throw his voice like
<v Speaker 1>a ventriloquist because the mask was so heavy that that
<v Speaker 1>set designer decided to make.
<v Speaker 2>He choose the scenery like crazy Clitus does.
<v Speaker 1>Awesome, he really does.
<v Speaker 2>Timothy Dalton future James Bond. Oh yeah, playing an Errol
<v Speaker 2>Flynn like character. Yes, Prince Baron, he was amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but the best has to be Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Brian Blessed as Prince Bolton.
<v Speaker 1>Gordon's Live Gordon's.
<v Speaker 2>Flying Blind on a rocket cycle. Everything he says is
<v Speaker 2>over the top and amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I gotta say something about that, right. So
<v Speaker 1>he said that when he was a kid, this is
<v Speaker 1>the character that he would play as a kid when
<v Speaker 1>they played Flash Gordon out in the Field or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>He would always be this guy. And so whenever he
<v Speaker 1>found out they were making the movie, he went to
<v Speaker 1>them and said, you are going to cast me in
<v Speaker 1>this part he said, I will break your back, I
<v Speaker 1>will break your butt, I will cut off your you
<v Speaker 1>will put me in this movie.
<v Speaker 2>And it worked.
<v Speaker 1>They put him in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, who wants to live forever? Even like when
<v Speaker 2>he's like muted, like they like Volta on, We're gonna
<v Speaker 2>kill your daughter if you don't bow to me, he's
<v Speaker 2>like hell Ming, like, okay, fine. You know who else
<v Speaker 2>was freaking amazing in her role or Nella Muti as
<v Speaker 2>Ming's daughter, Princess Aura. Yes, I don't know if I'm
<v Speaker 2>even saying her name right.
<v Speaker 1>She is.
<v Speaker 2>Literally she's playing the sexiest.
<v Speaker 1>Person in the universe, and she was appropriately.
<v Speaker 2>She is the sexiest person in the universe. I was
<v Speaker 2>seven years old, and I was like, I have a.
<v Speaker 1>Name, very very high. And speaking of kids and their reaction,
<v Speaker 1>we we talked to Caleb, like Caleb my eleven year old, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and he had watched both of these movies with me,
<v Speaker 1>and you get and so you're talking to him and
<v Speaker 1>you said, what was your favorite part? And he goes,
<v Speaker 1>I think it was when he was communicating telepathically, and
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, he went, Wow, this girl's
<v Speaker 1>really turning me on.
<v Speaker 2>She's a Sparble Boy. So that's the cast. I mean
<v Speaker 2>we're talking Sam J. Jones, Melody Anderson, Mary Angela Mulatto
<v Speaker 2>as General Kulla. Yes she everything she says is over
<v Speaker 2>the top, like Brian, she said, what do you mean
<v Speaker 2>Flash Gordon approaching open fire?
<v Speaker 1>And we had Richard O'Brien, the guy who played riff
<v Speaker 1>Raff in The Rocky Horror Picture Show, which he wrote,
<v Speaker 1>yeah is and by the way, teaser for upcoming episodes.
<v Speaker 1>We will be covering the Rocky Horror Picture Show this
<v Speaker 1>season or.
<v Speaker 2>Next Yes, we can't wait for that. That's gonna be awesome.
<v Speaker 2>He plays a character called Fiico.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And actually in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, I believe
<v Speaker 2>it's the opening song they mentioned Flash Gordon in the lyrics.
<v Speaker 1>There was another guy this is. This is kind of
<v Speaker 1>an interesting, interesting one. Philip Stone played the High Priest.
<v Speaker 1>He was also the guy in the Shining that was
<v Speaker 1>so terrifying.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was the guy that was encouraging Jet too discipline.
<v Speaker 2>Yes man. By the way, just as a side note,
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of Bond connections here.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's do Sean Connery connections because we're about
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Sean Connery getting cast in Highlander in
<v Speaker 1>just a second. Yes, So Timothy Dalton auditioned to play
<v Speaker 1>the part of James Bond, replacing Sean Connery. He just
<v Speaker 1>didn't get it.
<v Speaker 2>George Lazimbie got it. Timothy Dalton was like twenty three
<v Speaker 2>to twenty four. Yeah, they decided maybe a little too young. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So they came back to him in eighty seven and
<v Speaker 2>he was He was a great Bond right, hit some
<v Speaker 2>less than stellar scripts to deal with, but I thought
<v Speaker 2>he was really good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so here you go, here's some Bond connections for you.
<v Speaker 2>Flash Gordon Wise, all right, Max von side Al plays
<v Speaker 2>Blofeld and Never Say Never Again. Timothy Dalton, of course
<v Speaker 2>plays James Bond in The Living Daylights and Licensed to Kill. Yep, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>look very closely, you gotta look super quick. Okay. There
<v Speaker 2>was a guy loading Flash and Dale Arden's luggage on
<v Speaker 2>the plane at the very beginning of the movie. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I'm talking about. There is a
<v Speaker 2>guy who's loading their luggage and literally he's like there
<v Speaker 2>you go, sir, uh huh.
<v Speaker 1>You know it's a whole line.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, A j Mister Hermann all he does is load luggage.
<v Speaker 2>That's Robbie Coltrane. He ends up playing Hagrid in the
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter movies. Okay, and he plays he plays Valentine
<v Speaker 2>and the World Is Not Enough and goldeneyew he's like
<v Speaker 2>a James Bond bad guy and he's in the freaking
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter movies. And Topel plays Colombo in For Your
<v Speaker 2>Eys Only. Yeah, so there you go.
<v Speaker 1>So moving on to casting of Highlander. Okay, so we've
<v Speaker 1>got Russell mckayey directing. They can't get Kurt Russell to
<v Speaker 1>be the part, right, they have some other ideas they
<v Speaker 1>can you tell me who they? Yes? Go ahead, Yes.
<v Speaker 2>So the person who nearly got the part was Mel Gibson.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, which has been very interesting given this the Scottish Highlands.
<v Speaker 2>If Mel Gibson had done, would we have got Braveheart?
<v Speaker 1>Probably not?
<v Speaker 2>No way, right, right? Mark Singer remember him the beast
<v Speaker 2>Master himself? Oh right, They wanted him. They also asked
<v Speaker 2>or thought about Michael Douglas, Ed Harris, Sam Shepard, David Keith,
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Costner, Scott Glenn and Sting.
<v Speaker 1>Right Sting, who had just a little while before done
<v Speaker 1>the movie the Bride, which had a clancy. They also
<v Speaker 1>wanted Sting to do music too.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, so the Queen wasn't their first choice for Highlander.
<v Speaker 2>They wanted either Duran Duran Russell McKay, right, Duran Duran
<v Speaker 2>Sting or David Bowie.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, we'll talk more about that in a minute
<v Speaker 1>when we get to the soundtrack. Yes, right, okay, So
<v Speaker 1>they can't get any of those guys, right. Russell McKay
<v Speaker 1>is sitting there flipping through a magazine and he comes
<v Speaker 1>across a picture of Christopher Lambert. I asked my we
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this because he was Christopher Lambert, right
<v Speaker 1>for me?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 1>But then you were like, I think it's Christopher Lambert.
<v Speaker 1>And so I asked my neighbor, who's French. I was like,
<v Speaker 1>how do you pronounce this name? And he's like Lombert.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, long, Loombert, Lombert, and he's like, yes, Lombert.
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, okay, yeah, nobody's pronouncing.
<v Speaker 2>That right, Christopher Lombard.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna call him Christopher Lambert. I want to
<v Speaker 1>call him Christopher Lambert. So he had been in his
<v Speaker 1>first English speaking movie, just recently, called Gray Stoke, which
<v Speaker 1>was about Tarzan.
<v Speaker 2>He plays.
<v Speaker 1>He plays Tarzan, right, and in the movie they picked
<v Speaker 1>him this is surprising because of his myopia, not because
<v Speaker 1>they wanted a guy who couldn't see, but the fact
<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't see caused him to have this like
<v Speaker 1>a thousand yard very deep intense stare, like through the
<v Speaker 1>top of his eyes, and they just thought it looked cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had this piercing stare. Yeah, because he can't
<v Speaker 2>see anything.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So Russell mkay. He sees him in this magazine
<v Speaker 1>doing this intense stare that is really just a result
<v Speaker 1>of his almost blindness, and decides, hey, this should be
<v Speaker 1>our guy.
<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned that. And one of the things that they
<v Speaker 2>talked about during the filming. They would have these long
<v Speaker 2>battle scenes in Scotland. They would crest the hill and
<v Speaker 2>they'd be like, cut, tell Christopher to take his freaking
<v Speaker 2>glasses off. He couldn't see anything. He was totally blind.
<v Speaker 5>And they did all of the sword fights. They did
<v Speaker 5>all of the sword fights and he didn't get hurt
<v Speaker 5>until part two. Right, that's amazing. Yeah, I mean that's
<v Speaker 5>amazing himself. But he had been trained. I got this
<v Speaker 5>a little bit for you, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he had been trained by this guy named Bob Anderson,
<v Speaker 1>who was a Canadian Olympic gold medalist in fencing. He
<v Speaker 1>did the sword work for the Princess Bride, which is
<v Speaker 1>the best sword fight in cinema history in my opinion.
<v Speaker 1>He did the Mask of Zoro, he did the Lord
<v Speaker 1>of the Rings. And here's your here's another James Bond connection.
<v Speaker 1>He did Die Another Day. Okay, but you're ready for this. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's got a small speaking part in Empire Strikes Back.
<v Speaker 1>But that isn't the coolest thing. The coolest thing is
<v Speaker 1>he was Darth Vader during all of the lightsaber fights
<v Speaker 1>in Empire strikes Back. Yes, of the Jedi, that is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>This is the guy that trained Christopher Lambert how to
<v Speaker 1>sword fight. So the small speaking part that he had
<v Speaker 1>in Empire Strikes Back, he is the guy at Echo Station.
<v Speaker 1>His character's name is Trey Callum and he says, we've
<v Speaker 1>spotted the Imperial Walkers. All right, that's Bob Anderson.
<v Speaker 2>Sweet.
<v Speaker 1>I think playing Darth Vader is way sweeter though. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 1>so they call up Christopher Lambert's agent who says, yes,
<v Speaker 1>he's six' to, two and of course he Speaks, english, right,
<v Speaker 1>Right and so they go to meet him and she's
<v Speaker 1>doing all the interpretation for him at the, table like they're,
<v Speaker 1>like oh, crap we are. Screwed this guy doesn't speak
<v Speaker 1>like when he said when he says, hello how are
<v Speaker 1>you are? You you, know it's very very Heavy french yes,
<v Speaker 1>accent which to me it never bothered me a. Bit
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like it's kind of Like Mel gibson
<v Speaker 1>In Brave. Heart the fact that his accent wasn't spot
<v Speaker 1>on is okay because he lived in a bunch of different.
<v Speaker 1>Places you, talk, Funny, nash where are you? From lots
<v Speaker 1>of different? Places, yeah, Yeah, okay he's been a life
<v Speaker 1>for four hundred. Years he's going to have a weird
<v Speaker 1>way of. Talking.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah but here's my. Problem, OKAY i MEAN i Love,
<v Speaker 2>highlander don't get me. Wrong but the actors who played the,
<v Speaker 2>policeman they Auditioned american actors who are living In, england
<v Speaker 2>and they rejected them because they had acquired too much
<v Speaker 2>of An english. Accent and McLeod had lived in The
<v Speaker 2>United states for four hundred years and he still can't be.
<v Speaker 1>Understood that can be only one HE i understood him,
<v Speaker 1>perfectly So.
<v Speaker 2>Ramirez they Land Sean connery himself as mirror is The Egyptian. Spaniard,
<v Speaker 2>yes he is the world's most famous scott just making A.
<v Speaker 1>Highlander, yes, right, yep but that wasn't now the script was,
<v Speaker 1>written but his, spot His spanish accent was on. Perfectly
<v Speaker 1>he worked so, well, yeah you'll give him my god
<v Speaker 1>because it's. Wrong. Right so here's the guy we're talking,
<v Speaker 1>About Sean, connery who when's the last time he lived In? Scotland,
<v Speaker 1>right he does. It he still has A scottish, accent
<v Speaker 1>so don't give me. This, well he's been he's been
<v Speaker 1>In america all this. Time he's going to have An
<v Speaker 1>american accent by. Now, Well Sean connery.
<v Speaker 2>Didn't, okay, fair, fair, Right and by the, way the
<v Speaker 2>only reason he took this is because their shooting schedule
<v Speaker 2>was In. Scotland where are we Going? Scotland i'm in the.
<v Speaker 1>Million dollar paycheck for one week's worth of seven probably.
<v Speaker 1>Days isn't hurt seven? Days, Yeah and so that he
<v Speaker 1>was at the end of that seven, days like if
<v Speaker 1>they went, over they had to pay him extra bill
<v Speaker 1>and he's, like you're not going to make the cut
<v Speaker 1>To russell and, Like russell McKay ten minutes that's before
<v Speaker 1>his time ran, out said it's a rap for. You
<v Speaker 1>this is what he.
<v Speaker 2>Did so he's, like oh, crap we'll right out of.
<v Speaker 2>Time he's, like all, Right, sean look to your, left all,
<v Speaker 2>right look, pissed all, right now look, up, now look, down,
<v Speaker 2>now look, Happy now looks. Sad it's a wrap and he,
<v Speaker 2>goes you bost. It so here's a couple other NAMES
<v Speaker 2>i got for.
<v Speaker 1>You.
<v Speaker 2>Okay these are the names that were considered For. Ramirez,
<v Speaker 2>okay they Got Sean.
<v Speaker 1>CONNERY i mean it was written For Sean. Connery, yeah
<v Speaker 1>it was written with him in.
<v Speaker 2>Mind, yes The egyptian. Spaniard let's get the world's most
<v Speaker 2>famous Scott. Okay but they looked At Lee Van, Cleeve Clint,
<v Speaker 2>Eastwood Clint, eastwood are you kidding? Me malcolm, McDowell Gene,
<v Speaker 2>Hackman Michael, cain And peter.
<v Speaker 1>O'Toole malcolm, McDowell i think would have been probably my
<v Speaker 1>favorite of. Those that would pretty.
<v Speaker 2>Good. Right all, right here's the other. Thing heather, McLeod
<v Speaker 2>who is his love interest In scotland and his wife Fifteen,
<v Speaker 2>yeah his. Wife, yes, Right Virginia madson auditioned for that. Role,
<v Speaker 2>okay she didn't get, it, Right she shows up later
<v Speaker 2>In highlander two The, quickening.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Right, yeah you told me about. HER i forgot about.
<v Speaker 2>That she's the best part Of highlander to the Quick is.
<v Speaker 1>There a best part of that?
<v Speaker 2>Movie that's. It that's the that's the end of.
<v Speaker 1>It right. There you haven't watched that.
<v Speaker 2>MOVIE i did watch the movie for this. PODCAST i
<v Speaker 2>Watched highlander.
<v Speaker 1>Two you're not getting paid enough, money all, right.
<v Speaker 2>Listen let's just talk honestly About highlander two for a. Second,
<v Speaker 2>okay in all. Honesty, WELL i told YOU i Saw
<v Speaker 2>highlander two first in the.
<v Speaker 1>Theater this is why you don't Like highlander one as
<v Speaker 1>much as you.
<v Speaker 2>Should, okay well maybe. So BUT i remember sitting in a.
<v Speaker 2>Theater i'm, like, man this is. Crap this this just.
<v Speaker 2>Sucks but my, wife who had Watched highlander and loved
<v Speaker 2>it because it's this action packed love, story she was like,
<v Speaker 2>hurt like cut to the bone because this movie sucks so. Bad,
<v Speaker 2>yeah and THEN i was, like, well this stupid sci
<v Speaker 2>fi movie is just. Dumb, Right, well THEN i watched
<v Speaker 2>the Original Highlander i'm, like, OKAY i get. It they undercut.
<v Speaker 2>It they absolutely undercut.
<v Speaker 1>IT i have never seen. IT i will never see.
<v Speaker 1>It WHEN i heard that it was coming, OUT i was. Excited,
<v Speaker 1>yes and then SOMEBODY i knew went and saw it
<v Speaker 1>and they said and they came and they told. Me they're, like,
<v Speaker 1>yeah they're supposed to Be. Aliens AND i was, LIKE
<v Speaker 1>i will never see that. Movie. Yeah it ruins everything
<v Speaker 1>good About. Highlander it ruins.
<v Speaker 2>It, yes it.
<v Speaker 1>Does and the ideally apparently number three like just acts
<v Speaker 1>like number two didn't, exist, right smart.
<v Speaker 2>Move, yeah, okay and THEN i want to talk about
<v Speaker 2>the role Of brenda for a second.
<v Speaker 1>One, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Okay brenda was played by this actress Named Roxanne. Heart,
<v Speaker 2>YES i don't recognize her from. ANYTHING i think she's
<v Speaker 2>been In Chicago hope or.
<v Speaker 1>She was In The verdict With Paul, newman which was
<v Speaker 1>a big court drama in the early.
<v Speaker 2>Eighties, yeah she's been in some. Stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they actually got her because she was a stage
<v Speaker 1>actress and so they saw her in a play that
<v Speaker 1>she was.
<v Speaker 2>IN i thought she was. Fantastic oh, yeah.
<v Speaker 5>Great her character is.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit goofy to. Me that's one of the
<v Speaker 2>flaws that The New York Police department has a sword
<v Speaker 2>expert at their beck and, call ready to handle all
<v Speaker 2>sword forensic.
<v Speaker 1>Problems forensic. Scientist she is a sword.
<v Speaker 2>Expert she's both because there are such.
<v Speaker 1>Things i'm an, Attorney i'm a, Guitarist i'm a. Podcaster
<v Speaker 1>you can't put me in a. Box Bro.
<v Speaker 2>She's a forensic genius and super sworded. Expert, yes, okay, fine,
<v Speaker 2>fine but.
<v Speaker 1>She was A she was a perfect casting because she
<v Speaker 1>could play. Intelligent, yes she is pretty without being overwhelmingly
<v Speaker 1>SO i.
<v Speaker 2>Thought she was very.
<v Speaker 1>Attractive by the. Way speaking of super sexy attractive, women
<v Speaker 1>ba's Flash Gordon Christopher lambert's love interest for several years
<v Speaker 1>like Twenty Sophie, marceau who of course was the princess In.
<v Speaker 1>Braveheart sorry, yes and also a bond.
<v Speaker 2>Girl heck, yeah the world is not.
<v Speaker 1>Enough speaking of other hot, Girls Dino Dealer entis's granddaughter.
<v Speaker 2>Freaking Jiatta oh my.
<v Speaker 1>Gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Majors, yeah and she can.
<v Speaker 1>Cook that makes her major.
<v Speaker 2>Majors all, right so we've cot oh, no, no, No So
<v Speaker 2>Roxanne heart was chosen Over Brook, Adams Rosanna, Arquette Jennifer.
<v Speaker 1>Beals Brook adams had gotten the. Part Brook adams got
<v Speaker 1>the part and fell, through is that? Right? Yeah And
<v Speaker 1>Roxanne hart was there to jump into the.
<v Speaker 2>Place AND i told you Brook adams is a whole
<v Speaker 2>lot on man for. Me, also they Wanted Tanya roberts,
<v Speaker 2>okay and she passed to do a youw do a?
<v Speaker 1>Kill?
<v Speaker 2>Okay how about?
<v Speaker 5>That?
<v Speaker 2>Nice all, right that's casting For.
<v Speaker 1>Highlander, Okay so just another quick. Character So Lieutenant Frank,
<v Speaker 1>moran the kind of chief, inspector is played By Alan,
<v Speaker 1>north who Was dreben's partner in The Police squad series
<v Speaker 1>that led To Naked.
<v Speaker 2>Gun.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, wow that's. Awesome you.
<v Speaker 2>Know one of the things you mentioned was some of
<v Speaker 2>the deleted, scenes but there are a bunch of scenes
<v Speaker 2>that were filmed For, highlander INCLUDING i think one major
<v Speaker 2>scene With. Castigear, yeah like McLeod's. Friend, yes all those
<v Speaker 2>were filmed and then lost in a warehouse.
<v Speaker 1>Fire, yeah they cut. Them they were supposed to. BE
<v Speaker 1>i believe is A japanese immortal and he was working
<v Speaker 1>in some office complex and they were supposed to be
<v Speaker 1>and there was this big fight that they filmed between
<v Speaker 1>him and The kurgan but he was using two. Swords
<v Speaker 1>he was using the two sword samurai. Technique look like
<v Speaker 1>it might have been, good but all we have left is.
<v Speaker 1>Photographs that's too.
<v Speaker 2>Bad it's too. Bad here's the last bit of INFORMATION
<v Speaker 2>i want to give to.
<v Speaker 1>You ok you're ready for.
<v Speaker 2>This, yes this is going to blow your.
<v Speaker 1>Mind you're read for. This.
<v Speaker 2>Yes according to this particular, actor he was offered the
<v Speaker 2>part Of connor.
<v Speaker 1>McLeod, okay but he.
<v Speaker 2>Turned it down to focus on his wrestling. Career Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Hogan ladies And gentlemen says that he was offered the
<v Speaker 2>part Of connor.
<v Speaker 1>McLeod, Yeah i'm gonna go ahead and disagree with. That
<v Speaker 1>that's not. Possible he might have been The. Kergan he. Might,
<v Speaker 1>oh he'd been in the wrestling scene at the. Beginning
<v Speaker 1>that's what they offered. Him he was gonna fight the
<v Speaker 1>fabulous free Bird.
<v Speaker 2>Hulk, Hogan ladies And. Gentlemen, NO i don't know If
<v Speaker 2>I'm i'm not going for.
<v Speaker 1>THAT i don't Think i'm gonna buy. That, Okay, okay all,
<v Speaker 1>right so we don't cast.
<v Speaker 2>It don't cast, him.
<v Speaker 1>All, right both?
<v Speaker 2>Movies all, right now we're onto.
<v Speaker 1>The movie ready for? Production, Yes, okay. Guys that is
<v Speaker 1>the end of part.
<v Speaker 2>One join us next. Week we will.
<v Speaker 1>Be back for part. Two until, then be sure and
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