The Flintstones: Everything You Didn't Know

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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of My Heart Radio. Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the show that brings you the secret history and behind the scenes facts behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more. We are your cavemen of culture, your troglodytes of trivia, your loincloth wearing leaders of little loan entertainment stories. My name is Jordan Runtug and I'm Alex Eagle, and today we are talking about the flint Stones. Perhaps you've heard of them. They are a modern Stone Age family. Heard of them town of ben Rock, it says here, yeah. Uh. In addition to being our evolutionary ancestors, they're also the originators or progenitors whenever the right word is of the animated sitcom. Before you had the Griffins and co Ho Hog or the Simpsons in Springfield, you had the flint Stones in Bedrock. Usually the Simpsons did it first, but in this case it was the flint Stones. Truly one of the most irish not to mention enduring animation properties of all time, spawning over ten spinoff series, twelve television specials, five made for TV films, to live action movies. Too theme parks, a live stage show, and some vitamins and syrial, which we'll talk about. Hi, I go, what are your thoughts on this show? None? Just just an absence of thought. I don't know. Happy, yeah, just just happy to be spending basking in the warm glow of your smile. Just here so I don't get fine. Both teams played hard, my man, good night, God bless It wasn't that the respects the rest shed Wallace thing. I'm not. I forget who said I'm just here side and get fine. But Rashid Wallace is famous. Thing was saying both teams played hard. Every time he was asked a question. Both teams played hard, my man, God blessing, good night. Um yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't Shawn Lynch, by the way, Marshawn Lynch said, I'm just seriously don't get fine. Yeah, Um yeah, don't know, dude. I I think my biggest memories of this are just like watching it on TV, like relatives houses, like when there was just like nothing else on. I don't have any that's the appropriate level. I don't have any particular nostalgia for it. I think the most fondness I have about it is um the movie from the because that came out when we were kind of in the target zone for that exactly. But yeah, I don't know what you you like your fan, your guy you I see being more of a Jetsons guy. I liked them both well. I mean, the flu Stones was the original, so I intended to favor them. I mean, for all my love of Kitch and mid century Americana, you know, I'm predisposed to enjoy this. But yeah, I never went. It's never anything I went out of my way to watch. I mean, to me, it's up there with like the Rudolph Christmas Special, Like it's the time of the year and you flick through the channels and it's on, you sit and watch a little bit of it. The thing that kind of took me aback when I was researching this episode was how clever a show it is, especially considering that it pioneered the animated sitcom to begin with, so there really was no precedent. But all the stupid jokes about, you know, the cavemen puns and all the ways that they would have modern amenities done in cave men times. It was even the stupid car that he just drives with his feet like stuff like that. It's it's that stuff is legitimately funny to me. And also all the guests they'd have, which we talk about. I mean they got Tony Curtis on and like and Margaret and a lot of great rock puns. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I said, that's fun to me. And also, as we'll talk about, some of the stuff that they tackled was like way more adult than I remember, stuff that totally goes over kids heads, which is always impressive to me. So yeah, there's there's more here. I mean, the story behind it is really cool, which I'm really happy to talk about, but the actual episode plots are a lot crazier than I remember them being. Is he the family guy the Simpsons where the old fish patriarch has like poured cement into a pelican like first home improvement project, and the pelican falls over it dies and he's like, come on, you gotta say, like, uh, it's a living or almost quit in time, right, come on, buddy, but it's just a dead bird. Yeah, it's a Simpsons. Well, with that in our eyes and ears, well, we'll talk about all the famous first on the show, including like a weirdly sexual one. Some of the surprisingly dark plot lines and nod kid friendly jokes that crept up in the series, the time the voice of Barney was near death and recorded his parts from a body cast in a hospital bed, the surprising way that Beethoven inspired the theme tune, and the controversies that drew the ire of Jackie Gleason and Whole Cogan without further ado. There's everything you didn't know about the Flintstones, You know, buddy, Twis Hall Coogan sues you. The flint Stone series began in nineteen sixty and became the crown jewel of the Hanna Barbera Animation Studios, and now most people have at least a passing familiarity with Hannah Barbera. They are famous for TV mainstays like Scooby Doo, The Smurfs, The Jetsons, Yogi Bear, Johnny Quest. The studio was founded by William Hannah and Joseph Barbera, who first achieved success working at MGM on the Tom and Jerry cartoons before striking out on their own, but their first few shows were not especially well received. He had stuff like Huckleberry Hound and Quick Drawma Grawl Although these shows were marginally successful, they didn't have the same widespread appeal as Tom and Jerry, which entertained both children and adults. So by the late fifties they wanted to recapture the grown up demo with an animated sitcom, and as I said at the top of the episode, this was a pretty radical idea. But they hit a wall when it came to actually coming up with the premise of the show and specifically how the character should dress. You know, once you have the look of the characters down, then you could start to conceptualize the plot and what kind of show this was going to be. And they battled around all these different ideas. One was about a hillbilly family, one was about a pilgrim family, almost about a Native American family, which would have most certainly been problematically on the level of Song of the South. And a Roman family, which they ultimately did do in nineteen seventy two with a short lived series called The Roman Holidays, which only ran thirteen episodes. You have a favorite part of this short lived series just the fact that the apartment building that they lived out was called the Venus di milo Arms. I don't think that Lands and in modern days, our apartment buildings still called the blank Arms. I feel like that's a holdover from a different time. But just yeah, venus to myo famously armost statue. Ah, that's funny. That's funny stuff. But back in the late fifties, Hannah and Barbara couldn't agree on a premise for this new animated sitcom, and they were really getting frustrated with each other, and finally, in a possibly apocryphal story, William Hannah supposedly just blurts out, let's do it in a cave man setting. They won't have to wear any clothes. We'll just wear animal skins. And that's when they cracked the idea. They drew up some preliminary sketches, and according to Joseph Barbera, everything fell perfectly into its place, and it proved fairly easy to take contemporary life and throw it back into the Stone Age with some design flourishes and rock ponds, lots of rock ponds. As you mentioned, the working title of the show was The Flagstones, which they changed to avoid confusion with the characters in the comic strip High and Lowest, and they also toyed with the Gladstones Man which yeah, not as good before landing on the vastly superior flynn Stones. It's a double rock pond, flint Stone. That's great, It's perfect. And I know I keep upping on this, but the idea of an animated sitcom may seem commonplace today, but in the late fifties this was fairly radical and for the longest time none of the networks wanted to go near the flint Stones. Joseph Barbera talks about going to New York City to pitch the show with this elaborate ninety minute presentation where he acted out all the voices and showed off all these visuals. No one would touch it. He lived in a hotel for eight weeks, desperately trying to close a deal. He'd be doing this ninety minute presentation upwards of five times a day and everyone passed. Finally, on his last day in the city, he presented to ABC, and that network decided to take a chance on the show, and in nine flint Stones came to life for the very first time with a ninety second pilot that Hannah Barbera film to show the potential advertisers, and it was less of a finished product and more of a demo reel. They're grease pen marks in the margin and stuff, but still it's historic. The flint Stones live and this demo reel was believed to be lost for decades until three when the Cartoon Network went on the hunt and unearthed it in a New York storage warehouse, which I would love to know that backstory. The head of Cartoon Network was just glowing when he talked about it to Entertainment Weekly, saying it was this mythological sort of thing animators had heard of, but nobody had ever seen. So he sent out teams of researchers to look all over for it, and it was like the search for the Holy Grail. But they ultimately found it and in this demo real got its first TV airing in May of and you can currently see it on YouTube. Have you have you watched? It? Isn't good? Yeah, it's cute, It's like, yeah, it's very early, it's erupt I just I'm always interested, especially with animation stuff, seeing like demo stuff, just to kind of see what it looks like behind the scenes, because animation to me is just like sorcery and it's hard for me to even see that it actually came from you know, human hands. So it's cool to see the early ones with the sketch marks and stuff, just to kind of do it. I like that. So Hannah and Barbara hired both live act and traditional animation writers to script the show, writing plotlines that focused on everyday family problems, often resolved in a tidy twenty three minutes just like most sitcoms. The Flintstones was one of the first animated shows to feature a laugh track, which was something usually only seen in traditional sitcoms. The influences on the show were also more varied than most people would expect. The loincloth look of the show drew from the ninety five Texas Avery short The First bad Man, which was a cowboys story in a prehistoric setting, and the writers also borrowed a lot from Laurel and Hardy, especially where the plot lines were concerned. At least six episodes are nearly identical to classic Laurel and Hardy films. Everything is interesting to me because there's a guy named Ed Benedict who would later create Yogi Bear and do like consultant work when Johnny Quest launched in the mid nineties, Because he was like a hundred years old. He did uncredited work on on that tex Avery short. I just love how so much of animation history is um like littered with laziness. They're just like we had so time considered and we had seventeen of these two churn out, like just reuse the damn frames, and they do. It's like all the Disney stuff where it's like, isn't at the end of Beauty and the Beast is actually like the same frames of the couple dancing from Sleeping Beauty. I think Cinderella one of the other I think Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, and what was the other one when we that we just did with um one of the Donalds. Yeah that no, the Don Bluth one in um oh yeah, it has reused frames from something that he did. Anyway. The most obvious connection for the Flintstones, however, is The Honeymooners, Jackie Gleason's groundbreaking fifty sitcom about spousal abuse and the trials and travails of being a working class bus driver in Bushwick, Brooklyn. They're in Bushwick, right, you know what? I don't know. I know they're in Brooklyn because I think it's all the welcome the Brooklyn Sign, I believe Eve Honeymooners and Harry Nielsen. I knew Harry Nilson at the Honeymooner's house. You're right, it's a tourist attraction. You're right, it's in Bushwick. Wow, that is wild. Anyway, you and I both drew the exact same conclusion, which was that flint Stones was a conscious obvious satire of Honeymooners because the character archetypes are exactly the same. Um, you have the gruff patriarch and his no nonsense wife, the dopey friend Art Kearney from Honeymooners and his slightly dizzy wife with a goofy high voice. And also the fact that Fred flint Stone looks very much like Ralph Kramdon, the character played by Jackie Gleeson. Um and even the guy that they got to voice Fred Allen Reid had done voiceovers for Jackie Gleason. And Yeah, man, it seems so blatant that it's like I just now learned, Like, like when I read this, I thought, yeah, like I thought the Honeymooners were like all on board with this and they gave him kickbacks. Is something I had no idea that that's not the case, not very much. Not the case. The Hannah Barbara partnership is still split over it, or I guess they were when they were alive. William Hannah admitted that The Honeymooners was the most popular show in the air and for my bill the funniest. That influenced greatly what we did on The flint Stones as a kind of basis for the concept. Joseph Hannah, however, denies that, saying I don't remember mentioning the Honeymooners when I sold the show. But if people want to compare The Flintstones to the Honeymooners, then great, it's a total compliment. The Honeymoons was one of the greatest shows ever written. In another interview with MTV Legends, he then goes on to say that the flint Stones stand apart because of the puns. The Honeymooners don't have all the gags that we had in there. He said, uh, did he cite these examples? Citing such sterling examples as a stone Way piano and the polar Rock camera. Just it's not good the rock. I'm not giving him the mid century white male arrogance of being like, yeah, they don't have the caliber of our puns, like using stone and rock whenever words already sounded like stone and rock. And sometimes when they didn't like, God, grant me the confidence. Um. But despite this, Barbara even cop to hiring a former Honeymooners writer. However, he said, we paid him three thousand dollars and he was terrible, And the reason being is he just wrote words, a writer's function. Anyway. He said he was all dialogue. He had no visual gags, no nothing. Yack yak, yack yack. The Honeymooners had a lot of dialogue, but it was their expressions and Art Carney's attitude that made it work. When you're doing an animation, you better go beyond that. You can't just have people making faces at each other. You have to move them. All right, Fine, he's really funny. Yeah. The other difference is that Jackie Gleason's Ralph Krampton character regularly threatened to beat his wife Alice, so much that it became his famous one of these days, Alice boom straight to the moon catchphrase. They did gender swap that in a example of notable early gender parody in media. Because Wilma regularly goes upside Fred's head with a frying pan. So Jackie Gleason, however, was less than amused by the entire thing and thought that they were obviously ripping him off. Years later, playboy interview, he admitted that he had considered taking legal action against the flint Stones, but then his lawyers told him, do you want to be known as the guy who yanked Fred Flintstone off the air? The guy who took away a show so many kids love and so many parents love too, So he declined, I don't know. I mean Lars al Rick sued Metallica fans people will do many, all full things for money. The flint Stones premiered on September nineteen sixty and, as with most shows of the time, it was seen in black and white. It wasn't until the third season in nineteen sixty two that ABC began broadcast to get in color, becoming one of the first shows to actually get broadcasting color, and the show, in keeping with the grand tradition of almost every beloved property we talked about on this show, it was more or less pannd When it first came out, Variety called it a pen and ink disaster in the vast wasteland of the nineteen sixty six one TV season, which many critics considered the worst in TV short history. Up to that point, I didn't know this. What was so bad about this? Well, there's a famous story about there was a federal communications chief at the time, guy by the name of Newton m Minnow, and he gave this very fame. He's still alive. Actually, he's like almost a hundred and he gave this very famous speech in I think it was after this TV season where he referred to television as quote a vast waste land. And it's like the speech has its own Wikipedia entry. It's a very famous speech about television and the public interest and he just slags off TV. And the people who created Gilligan's Island shorts named the ship the Minnow not because of fish reference, which I always thought it was a dig at this guy, Newton m Minnow. Uh to tweak this guy who hates TV and hated this producer's TV shows that he made before. So anyway, I just think that's really funny. And he's still alive, which is crazy. Um, what was big in that schedule? Let me look really quickly and see, I mean, yeah, looking a lot of these shows now they I've never really even heard of most of these, So I guess it was still kind of in the hangover of what the Western era too, because half of the wagon Train, the gun Slinger, the Rifleman, Outlaws Bat Masterson And it's a stupid analogy, but it's almost like what happened with the rock and roll you have in the mid to late fifties, the pioneers that were making shows that we now consider really groundbreaking, like Lucy and Danny Thomas stuff, and um, your show of Shows with Sid Caesar and all the people who did stuff first, uh, Steve Allen, and then they went off the air and people did different things. Then you just kind of had this era of kind of imitators and pale imitations that went after that until um, you started getting a better quality of new weird shows in the mid sixties anyway. Anyway, Yeah, so the flint Stones seldom got any love from the critics really through to the late eighties. Critics would just point out the recycled plot lines and the kind of hacky animation then animation story. Michael Barrier called the flint Stones quote a dumb sitcom and stated that I can readily understand why someone who has a small child enjoyed, say, the flint Stones might regard that show fondly. Today, I have a lot more trouble understanding why anyone would try to defend anything about it on artistic grounds, which is rude. But maybe these early critics hated the show because it premiered without a crucial piece of its charm, The catchy theme song you know, Flynn Stones meet the Stones. Yeah, theme we all know and love wouldn't arrive until the third season in nineteen two, when it started broadcasting in color. Before that, the show opened with an instrumental piece of music called Rise and Shine, And I re went and re listened to it. I don't remember it. The more famous theme has a pretty impressive pedigree. The melody was derived from the second movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata Number seventeen, also known as the Tempest. Have you heard this tempest or just this part of it? I'm gonna punch it in. Yeah, we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more. Too much information in just a moment. This all brings us to a much larger topic. Yaba Daba dude, what is it and what can it do for you? Yes, it's Fred Flintstone's catchphrase, an exclamation of joy that I had always assumed was chosen because it sounded vaguely like caveman speak, but apparently it was an ad lib from the voice of Fred. Allen Reid reportedly did it on the fly during a recording session in place of a more plain yahoo. His mother used to say the old brill cream hair slogan familiar to listeners of a certain age, A little dabble do you? You know? My elementary school teacher used to say that when referring to Elmer's glue during arts and crafts time. But al Reid was inspired by his mother and he just went with it during taping, And uh, I guess it's stuck and is it the pressing aside, Fred flint Stone is just forty one years old, which is older than most cavemen lived to be. Is also sad uh, and his design is based very much on the physical appearance of his voice actor Allen Reid. Google him if you want. It's pretty uncanny. It's just like, oh that you'll see his face and be like, oh, that's Fred flint Stone come to life. Uh. That guy was later the voice of the original King Keebler Elf j j Oh. I didn't know they had them. They were a monarchy. But and I guess you have a Dabba doo inspired a fruit drink from the seventies, as in Yaba Daba do like mountain dew. Just reminds me of the see lab the bebop kola thing. Um read it was called Yabba dabba do. Um. Yeah, they read was not a good singer, which they played for laps as Fred Flintstone and his singing voice was overdue by a guy named Henry Gordon, who eventually took over the role of Fred when Allen Read died. And speaking of voice actors, Yes, the voice of Fred's best friend Barney Rubble, the great voice actor mel Blank And we mentioned him in our Roger Rabbit episode. I mean, is there really any question greatest voice over artist of all time? Like, yes, he's the man of a thousand voices. He voiced bugs, Bunny, Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, Tweetie birds, so best of the cat just to name but a handful. I'm sure there are many other huge ones that I'm forgetting. We told this story during the Rodger Rabbit episode, but it's worth ree sharing. It's January one, less than a year into the Flintstones Run. Mel Blank was driving along that same dangerous bend that Jan and Dean sang about on dead Man's Curve, and it almost claimed another victim because Mel got into a head on crash with an eighteen year old student while driving his Acid Martin's sports car James Bonds Car. The kid was fine, but Mel suffered a triple skull fracture along with fractures to both legs and his pelvis. He was in a coma and his wife and son spent two weeks by his bedside trying to revive him, but got no response. It was really looking bad. Then, as a last ditch effort, and neurologist went over to Mel's bed and asked, bugs, buddy, how are you doing today? There was silence for a moment, and then this very quiet but very recognizable voice says, yeah, what's up, doc, you know v voice? And then the doctor asked if Tweetie was there too, and then you get the you know, I thought I saw a puddycat, was the reply, And I guess mel in later years was asked about the unorthodox way that he emerged from his coma, and he said, it seems like bugs Bunny was trying to have his life, so bugs pulled him out of his coma. But he was at the hospital for seventy days, resulting in a vocal standing for the Flintstones on a few episodes. But within a few weeks he was back recording voiceovers as Barney Rubble from his hospital bed, flat on his back in a body cast. Good God. Yeah. They assembled an ad hoc recording studio in the hospital room, and his Betty and Wilma castmates even came to his bedside and ran lines with them while producers talked to him through a built in speaker, and mel Blanc later wrote in his memoir, which is hilarious called That's not all folks, Tangles of wires were scattered all over the floor, and chairs and microphones were arranged around my hospital bed. Every couple of hours, Joe Barbara would ask if I was too tired to carry on, but I insisted on completing the show, and they recorded this way for nine months, knocking out forty episodes. And he goes on the right Thankfully, by September, my doctors allowed me to sit up a bit elevated by way of a Pulley cable system to a semi sitting position. It was no more than a few inches difference. But as I laughingly told my colleagues, how nice it is to be able to look at your faces instead of at the damn ceiling. Incredible, All right, talk about dedication to your craft, that's just that's insane. Speaking of voice talent, I've dedicated. Speaking of dedicated voice talent. Wilmo was voiced by actress Jean vander Pyle from the show's beginning until the day she died in Uh Wilma, Um, you didn't mess with Wilma, No, you didn't. She would go upside friend's head with the old skillet. For all their bickering, Jean thought that deep down there was a relationship based on love. As she inimitably told the l a times in nine, I loved the bum. Sure, Fred was a yahoo, and I got mad at him all the time, But we really loved each other. Our romance was one of the things that made us so popular. We were real. She really blending the like speaking as there she was all there when she did this, um, and then she said, uh, I know I'm going to get killed for saying this. But Wilma had a great quote housewife wine to her voice. She commanded enough authority to run the house, but kept an equal amount of warmth. Wilma as a communicator, and a lot of women relate to that, at least I know I do. I think there's a lot of me in Wilma, And even though she's just a cartoon, I think my voice is one of the things that made her so human. Pyle was the longest surviving member of the show's original cast, which, considering that this was the Arab and all of these people chained, smoked like chimneys and drank whiskey with breakfast, is quite an achievement. Um. Speaking of Friend and Wilma's marital life, they actually shared a bed on this show, becoming one of the first TV couples to do. The very first was a show called Mary Kane Johnny, which started a couple who were married in real life, and it also was the first on TV to depict a pregnant woman. It was early. It was incredibly earlier. I think it was like or something I don't even think you can show a pregnant woman in public back then. Yeah, if you go back to all of those early black and white sitcoms like I Love Lucy, Diffendyke Show, all the couples are in twin beds next to each other. I'm sure there's a bed rock joke in here Alah Kesha about the flynn Stone sharing a bed, but I can't find it, so tweeted us at well WHI we're on the subject. I thought it would be fun to run down a quick list of prudish TV firsts, and many of these are courtesy of the fine folks are Cracked. In nineteen fifty three, I Love Lucy became the first show to have a birth as part of the plot. Despite the fact that you couldn't say the word pregnant, she'd say expecting. Almost seventy two percent of homes with television sets were two in to watch, which was hilariously substantially more than President Dwight D. Eisenhower's inauguration the next day. Didn't they also have to? Like she was? She one of the first to wear pants on TV. You know, I don't know that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, it was Lucy old Ball was the first, but Mary Tyler Moore's were the ones that really. In nineteen fifty six, the Danny Thomas show Make Room for Daddy became the first show to kill off a main character to deal with an actor deciding to leave the series. It was supposed to be Danny Thomas's wife, but she wasn't happy with her character changes because the producers were rebranding the show and divorce is too shocking at the time, so they just opted to kill her. His death is fine. I love that. UH. Leave It to Beaver became the first show to show it part of a toilet on TV. UH. The episode was about the kids buying a pet alligator and keeping it in the toilet. Is that the origin of the alligator in the sewer urban legend? Maybe? I don't know. That's a good point. Interesting. The network freaked out in forbade showing it, and eventually they compromised by shooting it from up high and only showing the tank. I just want to add the toilets on television of a long fraught history. UM. In nineteen sixty one of The Early Tonight Show, host Jack Parr told a joke about he just said the words water the water closet, and sensors cut the joke out, and like that's what we're dealing with, Like he couldn't say the phrase or word or whatever it is, water closet, and he was so outraged that the next day when he came on the show is a very famous story at the time. He came out just absolutely in a fury. He started to cry on air because he was just so angry, and then he walked off the stage and walked off in the middle of taping and disappeared for I think several weeks, and like no one knew it would be, like if it would be like if Colbert or Jimmy Fallon just suddenly like walked off the air kind of break up, yeah, on air, and then just just flew to Like there were rumors that he was in like Thailand or something like really crazy. So, yeah, you couldn't even say water closet on TV in nineteen sixty and then I think the first show at least a story like the legend that the first show to actually feature the sound of a toilet being flushed was All in the Family in nineteen seventy one. Good Lord This Country Um. The first interracial kiss is frequently cited as this episode of Star Trek between Kirk and Hera, but it was actually a few years prior to that, nineteen sixty two, during a televised play called You in Your Small Corner. In nineteen sixty four, the soap opera Another World became the first show to address abortion, a decade before it was a plotline on the All in the Family spin off Maud and Chair is widely credited as breaking the belly button barrier on TV during the Sunny and Share Show in nineteen seventy one. For years before that, I think we've talked about this before. The show Network Brass forbade Barbara Eden from exposing her navel on I Dream of Genie, and also Don Wells and Tina Louise on Gilligan's Aisle, and they're required to wear shorts that covered them up as well, so that's hilarious. The first openly gay character was played by veteran character actor Vincent Chevelli on the nineteen seventy two show The Corner Bar and the character's name was Peter Panama, and he's pretty offensive to modern sensibilities, but still historic. First the first openly gay couple were on a episode of the show Hot l Baltimore. The episode opened with a mature warning, which was rare at the time. The first same sex kiss was on an episode of l A Law in a year that also featured the first same sex marriage on the show Rock Shaft. Actor Richard Roundtree Uh was featured in a recurring guest role as the main character's uncle who's revealed to have a male partner. Episode of Chicago Hope featured a scripted curse uncensored for the first time in network television history. Mark Harmon uttered the phrase happens. Star Trek was the first show to say hell in nineteen sixty seven, in the context of Captain Kirk saying let's get the hell out of here apparently something gene rodden Mary had to fight for. But Charles Rockett did drop the old F bomb on Saturday Night Live in one, which resulted in him being summarily dismissed. Um. But I guess yeah, Chicago Hope probably gets the credit for that because it was scripted, not live. And in two thousands seven, Candice Kane became one of the first transgender actresses to receive a lead role as a transgender character on the prime time show Dirty Sexy Money, and a decade later, in seventeen, non binary actor Asia Kate Dylan portrayed the lead non binary character Taylor Mason on Billions. And speaking of TV berths, we got to talk about Baby Pebbles, truly one of the cuest cartoon characters of all time. Come on the ware, hair is done up with That little boat's adorable. And it was at the start of the show's third season in nineteen sixty two, the producers decided that Fred and Wilmo should have a child, and Joseph Barbera told any TV Legends that the plan was for the child to be a boy until the Ideal Toy Company, which is the company that created the Rubik's Cube and a bunch of other big name toys, changed his mind because I guess girl dolls sell a lot better than boy dolls, at least at the time. And Barbara said he got a call from the guy in charge of the Flintstones merchandizing he said, Hey, I hear you're gonna have a baby on the show. I said, yes, Barbara talking, he said, is it a boy? Or a girl. Barbara said, what else, a boy? A chip off the old rock. The merchandise guy says, it's too bad, I have these ideal toy people. If it was a girl, we could have made a hell of a deal. Barbara said, oh, it's a girl. So I sold three million pebbles dolls within the first couple of months, which is insane. Um this impending flint Stone's birth was worldwide news, which is just hard to imagine. Again, this is before JFK was killed. This was a simpler time. TV networks around the world held contests for viewers to pick the name, sex, and even the weight. And the night that woman told Fred she was pregnant, that's January three. There was a voice over at the end of the show that said, that's right, folks, the flint Stones are going to have a baby, and you can want a trip around the world. All you have to do is pick the correct birth weight and the winner of Florida Butcher received a round trip plus two thousand dollars in spending cash, which is like twenty tho dollars today, and Hanna Barbera appeared live at the end of the show. Immediately after Pebble's birth to announce this winner. Pebbles was born on February b C at p m. By the way, she weighed six pounds twelve ounces and her name comes from Wilbel's maiden name of Pebble, which was mysteriously changed to shag Hoople later with no explanation. It's like the older brother Chuck from Happy Days, Like Richie Cunningham had an older brother for the first couple of seasons, and then the older brother they just wrote him out and never talked about him again. It's like that just thinks on shows like this just changed. She went back to her home planet. Yeah, yes, Um. At the time of Pebble's birth, Fred said that she was quote a Pebble off the old flint Stone, So that's that she got her name. Yes, but despite their abundance of progen any, things were not all perfect in the flint Stone household, or at least that's what one famous urban legend would have you believe. There's some people who think that Fred had an affair with Barney's wife, Betty Um. Fred and Wilmer always seen bickerying through up the show, but Fred and Betty were always depicted as conspicuously friendly, in fact flirty almost. It would make sense that Fred would be attracted to Betty as she was the opposite of Wilma, and meanwhile, the same can be said of Betty being attracted to Fred, who was a strong and forceful man as opposed to the mild mannered Barney. This, of course all just a theory, but there is hard evidence on the show that Fred Baby a gambling addict, something frequently played for laughs. Uh. Any anytime gambling is even mentioned, he just starts stuttering. Throughout the show, he can be seen playing slot machines poker, lying about it to Wilma. There's an episode where he loses his entire paycheck on a bet and then tells Wilma they've been robbed. Uh. There's a short video on YouTube by high Roller Radio TV that goes into detail about Fred's gambling problem in each season. Um, and you know Fred is not limited in his vices. He like drink every now and again, end an elbow or two, as they say, take a snoot, fool. I don't know what other what other fifties gems can I run through here? Um? There's also an episode I guess he had a we didn't talk about the Loyal Order of the Water Buffaloes. That's like one of the only other things I remember from this show is they're big cats. They would wear anyway. There's an episode where his bowling club, the Loyal Ord of the Water Buffaloes, hire some showgirl dancers as entertainment for a party. Anyway. In keeping with all of that, there are some surprisingly dirty jokes buried in the flint Stones. In one episode, Fred and Barney go to a costume maker and Fred asks Barney what kind of costume are you going to get? Barney, who is short, replies that he's looking for something that will make me look tall, and Fred cracks, how about another head? Barney responds, another one? What do I need? Three of them? For Get it, because he's got the one, and then they and the other one, and then so when I'm in the third one. Another time, Fred Barney watch sports on TV at the Ladder's house and they lose reception. Fred inquires if everything is in working order, including asking Barney, how's your antenna? Barney replies with a huge smile, fine, friend, how's yours? I made that sound sexual and I mean between them because I was also just reading a much of about how people think they're gay. I didn't know that. Yeah, anyway, speaking of vices, Yeah, that's not the only less than kid friendly stuff they had on the show. The Flintstones used to hawk cigarettes with a baked in ad at the end of the show. For the first two seasons, the show was sponsored by Winston Cigarettes, so the characters would appear in animated commercials for them at the end of the episode. This was the era when the shows pitch their sponsors products and what we're called integrated commercials, where like the stars of the show would come out and do a whole skit involving the product. And there's one black and white spot where Barney and Fred are trying to get out of yard work. So Barney says, let's take a Winston break, and he and Fred go around back and light up, and then Wilma and Betty catch them and throw yard equipment at them too, which Fred says his famous tagline, Winston tastes good like a cigarette should. Obviously, it was all very normal at the time, but today it's just really surreal to see this kid friendly cartoon shielding cigarettes. It wasn't until nineteen sixty six, around the time that The flint Stones ended, that cautionary labels were included on cigarette packs, and then four years later in nineteen seventy when cigarette ads were bands from TV and radio altogether. But it gets darker. In addition to sneaking adult jokes and themes into episodes, The flint Stones also had some plot lines that were about as serious as a heart attack. Case in point, the episode that aired not long after Pebbles was born, which sends the Rubbles into an emotional tail spin because they are unable to conceive children, they intrude on their neighbors, the flint Stones more often than usual after pe his birth, much to the annoyance of Fred, who finally throws them out and Wilma goes over to the Rubbels and apologizes and realize that they don't on Pebbles because they desperately want a child of their own. Devastating all around. Uh you see Betty Rubble in tears at one point. It's awful. They wish upon a star and wake up the next day and discover a baby in a basket on their doorstep who they named Bam Bam, and that would have been a sweet ending, but we're not done with you. The Rubbels nearly lose Bam Bam and a custody battle while trying to adopt him officially. Instead of the Rubbels instantly getting Bam Bam and a fairy tale ending with a star wish, they suffer through the court system and nearly lose their child. This is a kid's animation show. And when it looks like they might not be able to adopt Bambam after all, Barney dramatically declares that his life is not worth living and heads to the nearest bridge, ties a rope to a rock, and threatens to dive in and drown himself. Thankfully, it all works out in the end, but Jesus Christ. On the historical factoid front, it marked the first time an animated television series involved the issue of infertility in an episode. That's got to be a shortlist. Yeah, as I say, it must be. Uh. And that's not the only time they tackled suicide on the flint Stones. There's one episode from ninety one that opens with Fred and Barney driving over the new George Washington Stone toll bridge. Medium funny when they encounter a man standing on the edge of the bridge, also with a boulder tied around his neck. It turns out it's all an elaborate con man scheme, but still dark. Yeah. Um, but you know, move on moving into happier climbs. Uh. The cavalcade of guest stars who appeared on the flint Stones over the years. There was Ann Margaret who's fresh off by by Bertie singing against her stone age alter ego. And Mark Rock mm hmm, okay, just tap the mic after every one of these. Tony Curtis appears as movie star Stoney Curtis. Uh. They had celebrities who didn't do their own voices but appeared as thinly disguised parodies. Ed Sullivan is Ed Sully Stone. Oh, come on, they're not even trying. Alfred Hitchcock is Alvin Brick Rock. I'll give that one to carry Grant as Gary Granite Rock Hudson his rock Quarry. That one doesn't even rock pile. I think it was another one. Uh. And um, TV lawyer Perry Mason was played as Perry Masonry or Mason Knight, which which the two was it run talk? I think he was on twice. I throw that character rather it was on twice they changed it from good Lord um reference. Wait, we got a better one. Uh. They're also references to Jackie Kenner Rock. Come on, yeah, that one does not count. That does not count as a Jackie Kennedy reference, Clark gravel Clark label. That's fine. Uh, Sandy Stone axe plants picture Sandy Kofax. I'll take that. I mean yeah, these are the people who gave us Yogi Bear for Yogi Barra. Uh. The show embraced crossovers as well, with Samantha Stevens played by Elizabeth Montgomery of Bewitched, another ABC sitcom, moving into the neighborhood in one episode, and the aforementioned Yogi Bear making a cameo in another. We cannot talk about the flint Stones crossovers, however, without mentioning The Jetsons, a show that was quite obviously inspired directly by the success of The flint Stones. Unlike The Honeymooners and The flint Stones, Jetsons was pitched as an actual rip. Hanna Barbara wanted to strike while the iron was hot and opted to just quite simply invert the premise of The flint Stones because it was easier than coming up with a new idea. It's the flint Stones in space. It's die Hard on a plane. Um, it's weird because you and I both seem to have thought this was like a bigger thing than it was. It only aired for one season, twenty four episodes. Uh. It got rebooted in n but Jetson super Fans, which is apparently a cohort of human beings in the this year of Our Lord. Uh, do not consider that part of the canon. A live action film and television series have both been in the works for quite a few years, but both of those appear to be trapped in development. Help In nine seven there was also the truly brilliant crossover bit of synergy with the made for TV mash up The Jetson's Meet the flint Stones, in which George Jetson's time travel schemes go wrong and the family gets sent back to ten thousand BC. That's when you're familiar with, right, Uh yeah, I mean that's the one that I remember actually seeing. I mean, because they are a truly insane number of made for TV movies and spinoffs and things like, that's the only one that I have direct personal experience with. Well, let's run them down. There was the short lived Pebbles and Bam Bam Show from nine to nineteen seventy two, which aged them up to high schoolers and spoofed youth culture like hippies and biker gangs. Uh. The voice of Pebbles was Sally Struthers, who had to quit when she got cast as Gloria on All in the Family. Then there was The Flintstones Comedy Hour in nineteen seventy two and seventy three, which was essentially an animated sketch comedy show in the style of the Sunday and Share Comedy Hour, shorts and songs and I don't know Socket Rocket to me, I could have written for this show. Uh. There was the rival series, The New Adventures of Fred and Barney that aired in seventy nine and found the guys having adventures with werewolves and witches. For some reason, everything's improved with werewolves. You take a Jetson's Meet the Wolfman that would have ruled. Then there was the Flints Owned Comedy Show, which was an anthology comedy show. Six years later and eight six you got The flint Stones Kids, which, contrary to you thinking it's the actual kids from the original show simply d ages Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty has Children Muppet Babies. There are a dozen TV specials aired, including with flint Stone's Kids Just Say No Special um, a couple of holiday specials, in an episode where they meet Frank and Stone this Thing On, and another called Fred's Final Fling, in which he is mistakenly informed that he has twenty four hours to live and wants to make the most of the rest of his life. So those are all weird, but no flint Stone's related release is as weird as the two thousand fifteen direct to video DVD The flint Stones and w W E. Stone Age SmackDown. I feel you gott I feel You've got to take this one. This is this is so your wheelhouse. Um In there was an attempt to bridge the historically at odds fan bases of professional wrestling and the flint Stones. Uh this historic reaching out to China if you will um this rap proche mall Uh. I don't know who the hell did this thing? I don't know, I don't know. It follows Fred and Barney as they try and uh build a wrestling organization. It's called the flint Stones and w w E Stone Age SmackDown. This was not a fever dream that came out in the heyday of either of these organizations. I can't believe this came out. But it also features uh. It ends with a massive, massive wrestling match, The Royal Rumble the Rock Will Rock Bull the Royal rum Rock. No anything there, Yes, and I don't um no, I'm I'm developing, I'm pitching um real life wrestlers like The Undertaker, Daniel Brian and John Cena. This is the first new Flintstones production in over fourteen years, and perhaps, telling me, the first without the original creators. Uh. Oh, well they were dead, That's why did they lose the rights. I don't know if they lost their rights or just whoever was now in charge had some interesting ideas that is deeply absurd. Wow shockingly got good reviews as it did as you meditate on that. We'll be right back with more too much information after these messages. Well, speaking of blatant cash grabs, let's talk about the merch. The Flintstones have all sorts of product tie ins over the years, and aside from toys, the most famous are probably Pebbles, cereal and the Flintstones, chewable vitamins. The Pebbles cereals actually somewhat historic. It started off with Post cereal brands trying to compete with rice Crispies and the best they could come up with was sugar Rice Crinkles. Unsurprisingly, with that name sugar Rice Crinkles, it was failing, and in an attempt to boost the sales for children, they licensed the flint Stones and rebranded the cereal as Fruity and Chocolate Pebbles. Now, characters have been used in advertising, but there's never been a branded cereal created around a media character, and there were big fears that the Flintstones popularity was going to fade and this was all gonna be a massive mistake. But Fruity and Chocolate Pebbles were both released in the nineteen nine and they have been best sellers for Post ever since. On the flip side, the cereal got them sued by Whole Cogan Uh. Speaking of the w W E in May Have there was a Cocoa Pebbles commercial where Barney and Fred face off with a wrestler named Hulke Boulder, and it ends with Hulk getting his ass handed to him by Barney's young son band band who you remember is the strongest little boy in the world, and so Hulk Boulder loses the match. Hulk Hogan sued the Post, saying that they stole his image to promote pebbles, and then his reputation had been damaged by the commercials. Since you know, we lost to a toddler. I assumed that this all would have fallen into parody protection, but Hulk claimed that he actually used to use the name Hulk Boulder early in his career, until he changed it to Hulk Hogan to make it sound more irish. Super settled in September. Why that would make you a better It's like when they anglicize your name coming over from Pallas Island. Yeah, I was like. The immigration guy was like, Hulk Boulder, that don't ever play in the States. Your Hulk Hogan now, and a light bulb went off, amazing. The suit was settled in September, but the condition that the commercial was not rebroadcast. And then there are the flint Stones vitamins, which you're actually another rebrand. They were originally a chewable vitamin brand called Chalks, which is maybe one of the least appealing names I've ever heard for something that you eat. Uh. Basically, they were exactly the same as the flint Stones vitamins, but without the character shapes which came in nineteen. They had all the principles in there, including Dino the dog like pet Dinosaur, all the principles except Betty and this one on for twenty years, this Betty erasure until a grassroots campaign forced Bear Pharmaceutical to jump into action and Betty replaced Fred's Car as one of the vitamin shapes. For two decades they opted for Fred's Car and not Betty Rubble. I find that that that's offensive to make. I had always heard in like Dr John's Bathroom Reader and whatnot. Um that is because her waist was too small and she kept breaking in half. So you just got all these headless betties. Good band name I was going to say, is that the sequel to black Betty? Oh headless Betty lamb. Wow. So the Flintstone vitamins have become hugely successful, helping an untold number of kids grow big and strong. I was one of them. But apparently these beloved vitamins aren't as healthy as we're once believed. This is according to an article courtesy of Spoon University, which is not a college as a website, who did a deep study into the ingredients. The vitamins contain a sweetening agent called sorbidall, which is an ingredient usually found and laxatives, meaning children are at risk of nausea, stomach cramps, and severe diarrhea if they take too many of these Flintstone vitamins. The vitamins also have a high percentage of artificial colors and flavors in them and contain fructos, another sugar link to obesity and diabetes. Huh, all right, Flintstones movie, take Take Me Home, Honey with sugar. We're going home, going down swinging. What else you got now? So far we've discussed the flint Stones on TV and on shelves. Now we need to talk about the flint Stones on the big screen. I completely missed this. But after The flint Stones were canceled and went off the air in nineteen sixty six, they released a full length theatrical film as the series finale, called The Man Called flint Stone, which was their version of the many James Bond spy spoofs that were flooding the market. At the time. It's a rip on our man Flint. You know, the man called flint Stone. We mentioned our man Flint in the Austin Powers episode. Uh in like Flint, it's Austin's favorite movie. You'll recall this movie the Man called flint Stone was not the big budget feature that this beloved franchise deserved. It would take almost thirty years for that to happen. Live action adaptation was held up in development hell for nearly a decade before it got the green light to go into production. And during that time I went through two producers, two directors, fourteen screen writers in eighteen TV gag writers. Yeah this you didn't mention you, you elighted, you glossed over. You issued mentioning that it was Joel and Silver. I see a friend or enemy of the pod. Yeah he's no Jeffrey Katzenberg. Um, Joel Silver originally optioned this. Mitch Markowitz, who wrote a bunch of TV as well as Good Morning Vietnam, turned in a truly insane draft of this script. In his own words, Fred and Barney leave their town during a terrible depression and go across the country or whatever the damn prehistoric thing is. Looking for jobs, they wind up in trailer parks, trying to keep their families together. They exhibit moments of heroism and poignancy. Richard Donnered, yes, the very same Superman deemed this bizarre grapes of wrath bad land. Terrence Malick Fantasia a bridge to damn far and put the kaibash on it. As you mentioned, fourteen screenwriters were born at least fourteen, Well, who knows thirty five is the other number I read attached to this um writer's Lowell Gans and babel Loo Mandel, and yes, those are their trade names. Took home what Entertainment Weekly reported as a hundred grand for two days work. They did a league of their own. Well maybe that's why they pulled down a hundred grand for two days of Flintstones rewrites. Rick Moranis said this thing had about eighteen writers, but he was off by half. At least the highest estimate that I found. Thirty five writers supposedly worked on this thing, and it had to go to arbitration by the writer's guild to straighten out all of these credits. Even Steven Spielberg was attest at one point, and I guess he was the one who suggested John Goodman as Fred after working with him on the film Always and prior to that, they will look can get other actors, including Chevy Chase, Jim Belushi, and Bill Murray, all of whom were deemed too small and skinny and they needed somewhat of John Goodman's girth and size to get that cartoonish effect. And Danny DeVito was rumored to be the first choice to play Barney, but he turned it down because you know, his gruff voice is just you can't make Danny DeVito sound dopey. Barney's kind of dopey. But he was apparently the one who recommended Rick Moranus for Barney, which is truly the role he was born to play. This film was so well cast. Goodman has read well well, oh yeah, take yeah. Tell us more about what John Goodman felt about playing Red flint Stone. Just arguably not a complimentary role. I should say John Goodman blessed his heart with utter despair in his face, utter uh waiting for goodot as existential horror. Talking to g Q in twenty nineteen, this is on YouTube, he says, they kind of sandbagged me into taking the role of Fred Flintstone, apparently on the day of the first table read for that Spielberg movie. Always Spielberg's announced to the room, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to say something before we start. I've found my Fred Flintstone, which Goodman said took the wind out of me, adding that it was not a role I was looking forward to doing. But he did love working with Rick moranis. And though he said it was very hot and very sweaty um because they were filming in like Monument Valley and stuff right like actually out in the desert, he said that it was quote fun. All the thought of John Goodman being sad, it's like Robin Williams being sad. I don't I don't like that at all. I don't know why I love this detail so much, but I guess Glass was banned on the set because all the actors were barefoot because they were cave people. This is also the last film appearance of Elizabeth Taylor, played Wilma's mother, Pearl slag Hoople. She did the odd TV cameo, but spent the rest of her life focused on her philanthropy work. For her death in eleven strange, very strange, and too a legendary film career, but at least this wasn't the box office bomb. It earned three hundred and forty two million dollars on a budget of forty six million. It's really a clever movie. You know. You got Rosy O'donald's Betty, Elizabeth Parkins is Wilma, and the B fifty two is handling the theme song under the name the BC fifty twos, which is adorable, so all at all pretty cute. Barbara never won to turn down an opportunity to talk, said that although he was impressed by the film's visuals, he felt the story wasn't as good as I could have made it. Uh. It did pick up two Razzies, one for o'donald and one for the screenplay. M h, that's a bomb, So overall the Flintstones movie del right for itself. The same cannot be said for the faded sequel, two thousand's flint Stones Viva Rock Vegas. Much like the first flint Stones movie, it took years to get this out of development, and by the time they were ready to go in the late nineties, many years after the original, John Goodman said he was too busy with other acting gigs and didn't want to do it, and from then on it was a domino effect. All the original cast pulled out and producers handled this unfortunate situation by making Viva Rock Vegas a prequel and recasting the franchise with a bunch of younger actors, and unfortunately, most of these younger actors were C listers. Guy named Mark Addy took over the role of Fred Flintstone, Stephen Baldwin took on Barney, Kristen Johnson from Third Rock from the Sun played Wilma, and Jankikowski pre Thirty Rock played Betty, a guy named Martiny. You are referring to the full Monty Star BAFTA nominated He's English start Robert Barathian from Game Thrones that Mark Addie continue. Yes, So the Flintstones of Eva Rock Vegas became a massive bomb and put it into basically any more flint Stone films being made in the near future. But on the upside, apparently Kristin Stewart's film debut um actually wait a minute, as pebbles, that's what I'm just trying to figure out. Ring Toss girl. I don't know. I guess it's like a like truly a walk on part. There was talk of doing another feature length animated flint Stones movie back in with Will Ferrell and Adam McKay executive producing. But I think that's probably died of death because I don't think they're working together anymore, and it's been many years since, so who knows. Yeah. I when I looked that up, the last thing I found was and like, I think Deadline, And until very recently there was not a new flint Stones related show on television for close to twenty years, UM, since the TV movie on the Rocks. Getting really tired of these rock puns, Jordan, I can keep doing this? Uh. In two thousand one, Family Guy creator Seth McFarlane, who got his start I think on Johnny Bravo on Cartoon Network, Uh, spent years trying to get a reboot together. Even wrote a pilot for Fox, which they rejected, which seems absurd considering the stuff they did Greenlight and from you know, The Cleveland Show and American Dad and whatever that Orville show is. Yeah, yeah, the Orville anyway. That was tentatively announced in two thousand eleven, but in a more recent Reddit a m a he announced that he was giving up on it. Honestly, I couldn't figure out a way to find enough differentiation between a modern day Fred Flintstone and Peter Griffin. He said, Uh yeah, so that's a bummer. But last year they premiered Yabba Daba Dinosaurs, which is a kids show and is the first full length Flintstone related TV show in nineteen years and the first since creators William Hannah and Joseph Barbara died. That was a kids show. But in it was announced that Elizabeth Banks is executive producing and starring in a new animated Flintstone series for adults called Bedrock. Is set twenty years after the original show, just as the Stone Age is giving way to the more enlightened Bronze Age. Fred flint Stone is on the brink of retirement. Pebbles, voiced by Elizabeth Banks, is now in her twenties and starting a career. Uh yeah, Is this the fifth episode in which we've talked about like a decades old property being rebooted for a younger generation. Have we got Legend and Temple all that leg of their own? Yeah? I don't. I'm frankly, I'm tired of I want them to Uh I want a gritty flint Stone's reboot. Yeah, if Flintstone where people's lives are in danger on the right, Yeah, just like Yeah, show me Mr Slate getting gutted by a velociraptor. You know that's now We're now cooking with gas bedrooms. They do the slow lower register piano note rendition of the theme song fades in slow. The producers of the wine comes. They used to call me Fred. These days they just call me flint Bam December, directed by David Fincher. We've pitched so many good ideas on this show. By the way, all verbal contract. If any of these gets made, I'm suing the absolute Joel silver A go ahead, Jordan, take us home, buddy. Yes, as we say at the top of the episode, the real legacy of the show lives on and stuff like Family Guy, and especially the Simpsons, who shattered the record for the longest running animated series many years ago. Still, the Simpsons frequently paid tribute to their prehistoric forebears. During one early episode, Homer Simpson is confronted by the convenience store clerk Apoo with the question, excuse me, sir, you look familiar. Are you on television or something, to which Homer replies, sorry, buddy, you got me confused with Fred flint Stone, and also one of the famous couch gags at the start of every episode features the Simpsons running into the living room only to find the flint Stones already sitting there. I just think this is cute, a sweet nod to the art that came before. Fine, you're a Simpsons guy. What do you think. Maybe I'll go back and watch some flint Stones. Maybe I'll shake myself out of my own bedrock of complacency, of prescription pill induced complacency. Yeah, that's what I hope this show More than anything else, I hope this show encourages people to go back and check out these things that maybe they these pieces of art that they may have forgotten about, and discover that it will still bring you joy and it's better than you remember. I think flint Stones, I kinda take it for granted. It's been around for so long, pick it for granted. Ah, this has been too much. I'm leaving it. Yeah, this has been too much. In for Rock Sean, I'm Alex flint Hi flint Stone, goal Al Rock flint Quarry, and I'm Jordan run Talk. We'll catch you next time. Too Much Information was a production of I Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk. The supervising producer is Mike Johns. The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan run Talk and Alex Hegel, with original music by Seth Applebaum on the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave us a review. 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