#164 - Trisha Yearwood Made More Money Singing Backups + First Tour Ever was Opening for Garth Brooks

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode one with Tricia Yearwood. What a treat, Thank you very much. You brought me some Jack Daniels Sinatra select Now do you have that the Frank Sinatra record? And so we'll talk about that in a second. But it's orange. It's it's orange on the packaging because that was Sinatra's favorite color. And and you're pretty cool. I guess if Jack Daniels gives an entire collection of alcohol for you, I mean, I think it's pretty cool. Anyway. I was gonna stretch scratch out his name of mine, but I decided to just leave it for you that way. I think you're pretty cool if Tricia Wood does a record of all your songs, more so than if Jack Daniels doesn't waiting to be I'm waiting to do let's be Bobby, but I'm don't want to do that one. That's like a FCC fine, that could be my next thing. That's the whole thing we were. So you handed the alcohol and I said, hey, why don't I just drink this? Um the first time I ever drinking, And I'll just get hammered during the podcast, be so embarrassed to be that person. For you, I don't want to be that person, I think, and a lot of my friends want to be that person. They want me to get drunk with them because then they have like my my alcohol flower right exactly. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I love you, but I don't want your alcohol flower. It's not my thing. I've never even heard it called that. I haven't totally creepy. I was out with a girl, Um, speaking of alcohol flower. Well, this is a whole story about me drinking, because when I drink, people act weird around me. I don't drink, but people are drinking. I'll oh, I shouldn't drink around you. So I don't tell anybody that that I don't drink. So I I fake drink. So I asked the bartender for something virginy, and you know, put a little. So I was with a girl and we went out and Ray and Bay who um, we're having dinner with them. And I go to the bathroom and Ray tells the girl that I took out, Oh, you know, he doesn't drink, right, And then she starts she said, I didn't know he told her that, And she's been active totally weird around me. And that's what it is. It was something else. Yeah, I was like, she must know about my rash. You must have which is another reason this kind of be what don't you deserve a metal Because it's really hard I find to be the sober person around a bunch of drunk people because no one who's really drunk understands how drunk they are. Right, So you're if you're the sober person, if you're drunk with them, then you don't have to worry about not having patience with anybody because you're drunk too. But if you're sober and everyone else is drunk. But I don't know the difference, right, Well, you just aren't hanging around the right drunks. Maybe, So, I mean, I don't know the difference in me, like I know the difference in the right. I've never been drunk with the drunks. I only know being with the stupid people. Like I know, a Friday night, if I go out, I'm doing with a bunch of stupid people. That's just par for that course, that's what it's going to be. So I appreciate that someone in this house will drink it. Well that's what I thought. You could serve it. You could serve it to some one of your guests. Yeah, or someone will steal it. That's what happens. That might happen. I'll go into my bedroom and I'll come back and Eddie stolen or somebody from the show selling all the alcohol. I get really nice alcost and to me sometimes because you keep alcohol in your bedroom. I mean, is this something I'm going to my bedroom, like to change clothes or something. I'd come out all right, Okay, I feel better now. I feel better now. I was concerned. Yeah, what have you been up to all day? I've been doing I've been talking about this record. Uh yeah, just kind of doing my thing. We're getting ready to go to St. Louis to do a tailgate, so I've been talking about that. And um, what is then interview day for you? Like a press day? What does that consist of? You wake up? What time today I woke up at? So some days it depends on what you're doing. You know, if you're doing one of those big early morning shows where you're crackte early morning show. See, I got into the music business to not have to get up early, but then you end up getting up early for stuff. You get up early three o'clock. Yeah, that's not okay. That's not okay to me, I would have to quit my job. What I used think that because I'm not a morning person. I just I'm not. It takes me three hours to get to where I'm okay. But you it's just a balance like do I love what I do? Yeah? But do I hate waking up to do it? Yeah? And then as it starts like now we've kind of I've kind of built something cool. Yeah, So it's like, you know, if my worst problem is not getting sleep, I got that's true. And once you're up, it's okay. It's the getting up for me. But getting up in the dark, I mean, that's you. Really, you really are a night person because you get up in the middle of the night. That's I'm a night person anyway, I'm too, But I mean, and I am that person. If I have to get it really early, I'm not the person that goes to bed early. I can't do it. I'm just a night person. So I'm just not going to get sleep if I got to get up early. If you're playing a show and you finish at eleven thirty, what time? What time is into the set? Usually the whole thing usually midnight something like that. What time do you finally get down? Probably two wish. Yeah, that's my perfect schedule. If I could go to bed, wake up at one pm, like that would be so good, Like that's my my natural life. I was reading a story about that where a lot of jobs, not a lot of just but a lot of science is saying jobs they're like programming people wrong, that everybody's body isn't built for nine to five, That a lot of people's bodies are built for noon to eight p m. And at the productivity scale, whenever you find what people do best, they actually work better at the times of their bodies. Makes so much it makes so much sense, so much sense. I mean, I was a I had a nine to five job when I first moved to town, and I was a receptionist at the record label, and I had to be at work at nine. And I worked at a label where there was a guy at the desk, so if I got there at nine oh one, he'd had to sit there an extra hour, so he was really ticked at me if I was ever late. So I was always on time because I didn't want h to be mad at me. And you couldn't leave your desk, to even use the restroom without somebody sitting in your chair, because your dance on the phone, you're you're the gateway, you know, the whole place. And it was really depressing for me. Not because first of all, I'm watching people coming every day and do what I wanted to be doing, so that was hard, but secondly, just that structure of this is when you clock in, this is when you clock out. I think people some people are made for it, and I think some people aren't. And I don't think I am. I like people because oh it must be so crazy. You just normal ever know what your schedule is gonna be. I'm like, it's kind of different every day. But I kind of love that for me, So it's consistently different, like there's a consistency to to it always being different exactly exactly, and I like that. I think I thrive on that. I don't think I would do well. I know I don't do well. Did not do well in the nine to five. Marcus Humming is a friend, a songwriter in town, and he said that he would go in you mentioned your your job at Mary Tyler Moore and he would see you working behind the desk early on. Yes, And actually Marcus gave me work, um he I did some demos for him, um back in the day. Back in during that time period, I got to know, I knew a couple of songwriters, and I started doing demos after work. Um. So I'd work nine to six, and then I would do demos until you know, nine o'clock, and then I would go home and go to bed and get back up the next day, and and then for and then for a while, I got a job playing at a bowling alley in Hendersonville, north of town. So I would go leave my job and I would play from seven to two, and then I would get up and go to work the next day. So you work a full normal day at five pm, then you go to the bowling alley and play for five hours? Yeah, what does that mean? What do you do at a bowling on? When you play? Do you have like a you play sets? So as you play at three like three sets? You in a band. I was in a band, So I did all the girls songs, you know, and you did that for five hours? Yeah? For yeah? And was it enough? Would you do to get to like pay rent? Are you doing it to get in the music scene a bit. I just wanted to sing. Yeah, I mean, and I I honestly made I think I'd make about two hundred bucks in a weekend, which was what I made in a paycheck, you know, So it was and it was I was having more fun doing that. So eventually quit the job to do that. But also the demo work was I couldn't get full time demo work having a full time job, so I could only sing after work. So it was kind of that moment of like, I'm not really making enough money to to quit the job, but if I don't quit the job, I'm not gonna be able to do the other thing. And that was a little transition. But then I then I did demo work and it was great for me because I learned. I learned so many things I didn't even know I was learning, you know. I learned what a good song was for me. I learned what a bad song was for me. I learned how to make a song on my own because I'm kind of an imitator and I had sung with the radio in my whole life. So then you're hearing songs you've never heard before and you have to you have to make them yours, and it was. It was a great training ground for me in a way that I didn't even realize when you're a demo singer. And for example, UM, if you're listening to this, Let's say you and I write a song and we're like this really good song. We'll get someone to sing the demo so it gets pitched to artists. Um, are you hearing like the work tape there recording like ascette player and then learning it real quick? Are you hearing that? And and looking at the lyrics sheet and then walking in and seeing it pretty fresh? Yeah, I'm hearing. I'm hearing it on like a jam box back in the day, um, with a lyric sheet maybe usually usually a lyric sheet. And and this was the eighties, you know. So I would have a ten o'clock at two o'clock at a six o'clock. So usually there be three or four songs per sessions. So I would listen to the cassette of the three songs I had to sing at ten o'clock on the way to the session, because I'd usually go by and pick up a copy of the day before usually, and I learned them on the way, and I was I had a really good short term memory. So I and I had this system of because you know, in Nashville it's the number system, and I was like, do you know the number system. I'm like, yeah, of course I didn't, but I said I did because I wanted the work. And my system was to listen and kind of just make these little hieroglyphic lines that no one can understand but me about this one, this song, there's a little lick here, that melody goes up upon an arrow. Whatever I need to do to kind of learn it. And then I would sing those songs and then I would um usually do a harmony, and then I would get in the car and I learned the next three or four songs on the way at the two o'clock. Because you can't cramming to each of your cramming for a test and to each one, and then the next day you do it all over again. So sometimes I wouldn't I couldn't tell you what I had sung that morning, But if I eventually heard that on the radio, I'd find myself singing along with a song and be like, oh, I did the demo? Is that crazy? So it's subconsciously, yeah, it's in here. But you're just sitting. Yeah. So, did you ever sing demos of a song they're turned out to be a pretty big one? Um I did. I did sing a demo for a Lori Morgan song called I Guess You Had to Be There. Sang the demo for that. Um I sang, I'm trying to think there was something else that I did that became a big song. But oh, I did a demo for one of my very first demos ever was a song that became a hit for Sammy Kershaw called dunt Go near the completely switch up, totally dung under the water. There a pride to demos singing when when it does kind of make it because you're like, oh, I was on the first level of this. It kind of is. And especially before you have a record deal on your own and you're you're not hearing yourself on the radio, then you just kind of feel like, Okay, I'm in I am in this business somehow because I'm you know, I'm I'm I'm contributing. And then the first time I heard myself on the radio was as a harmony singer. I um Kathy Mattea asked me to sing on a record of hers called time passes by and I could hear my high harmony and for me to hear myself singing on the radio, that was the first time and it was like okay, so every step was like a little step closer and closer to where I wanted to be. We just did a whole show about background singers and background singers that you may not know we're singing background and some of the ones that we talked about where recently we're Stableton singing with Luke Brian and drink a beer. We went back to your so vain from um Carly um Carli Simon with make Jagger who just happened to be in the studio and was like I'll sing and you know he's not credited or when the Beatles did. Uh, But we did all this whole this whole show about background singers and you may not know who the famous background singer was kind of crossing on the wallflowers things like that. But like you mentioned, you know, you saying, harmon, do you sing background records? That was a step up from demo singing when they had hired to come and sing the backgrounds of the harmonies. Yeah, and I because you were doing something that was for a record label that was potentially going to get played on the radio. And I mean, I saying, you know, I think Garth Garth says, I don't know how many songs he's got, but I mean I was singing on like a hundred songs of his and sometimes you know, it's sometimes you don't know it's me, but um. And he did the same for me. He's singing on some of my records that you wouldn't know he's singing on UM. And then Leroy Pornella sang for as I saying with Vince Gill, I sang um. I just I mean pretty much because I loved singing harmony and I was good at it, and I was inexpensive, you know, so as a demo singer, you're like, I come in, I know the song, I can sing home pitch, and I can do my own harmonies, and you know, twenty bucks, maybe forty if there's harmony, if there's more than one harmony, and you're out the door. You know, So it was a but you add those up in a day and it was a pretty good living. So you know, it was it was I made better money doing demos than I did as a receptionist, and then I got a record deal, and then I was broke, you know, because then you stopped doing all of that, and then you you're then you're in debt. And so what's funny is, and this happens again to a lot of my friends and people I know, is that you as your profile goes up, you get poorer totally. And it's a it's a weird juxtapossession of here you go. Everybody's like, well, I check this out, but you have no time to do anything except kind of start over, and you're not making any money. You know, they don't give you an American idol. They don't give you a bunch of money as soon you're not a record deal. You know, they don't. And if they, whatever they give you is to make your record, which is by the way alone, because it back and then you pay it all back and then you still don't own your record, you know. So it's kind of a weird. It was totally weird situation. Um. But yeah, and then when you do. I remember that the first money that I actually made, which I never saw the check, but the first money that came in was the second album, Hearts and Armor, when it went platinum. I remember that there was there was gonna be some actual money coming in, and um, it went right back into reinvesting in what we were doing next because we were going on tour, and we were you know, you're paying a band, you gotta you gotta bus, you gotta pay for and it's it's a lot, you know, so we never really saw it. It's so much. I was looking, you know, because I have a comedy band and we play some do you know, we do a few thousand people and night. It's just pretty good little shows and I do stand up and we do some comedy songs in the full band plays. But just to pay the band and travel every show, it's thousands of thousands of dollars. I was looking at my business manager, and you know, because I'm paying my drummer. You gotta pay your basis, you gotta pay your tour manager. You're paying and by the time you look at the whole thing, it's thousands of dollars for every show. And if you're new and some of my you know, people have been opening acts and you're getting you know, five to seven for opening spot one of these tours, right, you're paying that to just get there. Oh yeah, you're you're not making any money. And I think it's harder, even harder now because artists, you know, they pretty much don't do a deal anymore. That's not a three sixty deal, right, so you don't get so now you're you're used to be that, you're you know, your money is, you're paying everybody you have, you have all the responsibility, you pay all the expenses. You're the last person paid. And now a percentage of everything you make is going to your record label, including your live show, including your merchandise, through every single thing. So it sounds like, oh for me, but I think people just assume, oh, they're just all rolling in the dough, and it's really it's really for ninety five of artists, it's a really hard job that has you in debt. I mean, it's it's not it's not you have to you have to do it because you love it, you know, it's the I would say it's the one percent of the one percent who make money, because it's the one percent to get to this town and be able to just be so good and good meaning you've done the work to also be good, to be so good that you get a shot and you get signed, and that's just a shot. And then to be the one percent who gets signed and actually can make money and make a longer of it, it's the one it's the point one percent of people who can actually, you know, make money. It's it's way more difficult than I think some people think it is. Yeah, and I think I think especially now with there's so many ways if you don't have any kind of connection into the music industry, there's so many ways now to get your stuff out there with social media and YouTube and all that that everybody does think, oh, I'll just do this and I'll be famous or whatever. And even if you become a sensation on YouTube, it doesn't guarantee, you know, the the goal is longevity, and that's not easy to do these online musicians. I was reading about a rapper, young Dolf. I don't know who he was either. Maybe you do, maybe don't you see the look in my eyes. I'm like, I didn't know he was. He was eating at a cracker barrel. It's old Dolf's kid. Yeah, of course, and do senor the whole generation of Dolfs. He had a golf video. I think he was eating at a cracker barrel, and he had five hundred thousand dollars of jewelry in his car. There was they bust out his window. It was all in his car. They stole it all out of there. And I'm like, how did this dude make five hundred thousand dollars? He's an online rapper. He's a rapper who made it online. I don't know always get that money. But some of these YouTubers can make a quick pop, but you got to sustain that. But half million dollars in a car? Are you kidding me? And first of all, where's your business? Where someone telling you to not? Nobody was half a million dogs with the toury and nobody's te he was half a million doges with the jewelry. Besides maybe like Liz Taylor, I don't know jewel and in a car. Yeah, so someone busted out the window. It was a camouflage wagon busted at the crack. And I'm like, get the cracker barrel. He's also gonna get the cracker barrel. There's there's some irish, so many things wrong with his story. I can't even when did like the for you? When did they start to be Hey, we gotta get this music online? What part? What stage? Um, like a couple of weeks ago, just Tricia, I'm sort of in the last man standing. Um. Sorry, I h it's it's hard because I come from a different kind of a different era, you know, of the way music was made and sold, and I am also wanting to be current, so I want to do things the way things are being done. I know people consume music in such a different way. Um. And this was really the album, This Let's be Frank album was the one that I said, Okay, let's just put it everywhere because we just what we want is for as many people to discover it as possible. So let's put it in every single possible form we can, which is why if you buy the album or you buy the vinyl, there's a digital download inside. We're on all the streaming. Um. We just want we just want to get it out there. And you know, I it's tough for me because I as a as a listener and a consumer of music, I consume that same way. So if I if I want to hear a song and I and I go to YouTube and watch the video, then I might be less likely to buy the record. So what's going to motivate me to buy it if I can just hear it in all these places for free. But at the same time, you have to get it out there for people to hear. So, um, we just said, let's go for it. Why do I play for the last time? This is from the Let's Be Frank album. I have it here, I have it on vinyl time I'm in love. The last time my love was luck with no Melity. This is the next to last track on the record. I just look at the track list. You have a vinyl you gave me here. Do you listen to things on vinyl? I do? You know? What's really cool is that it makes me listen to albums again all the way through, which is because it's hard to skip. I agree with that. So and there's reasons for the the way records are made in a certain order. It was the first time in a long time that I had to think about, what do you want to start side B with? You know, It's like I haven't thought about that in a long time. You know. Is it a different order than if you were to stream the record that you did the album the vinyl with? Yes, because because of that, because you want and on vinyl. One of the reasons that we moved away from vinyl as a format is because it can only handle a certain amount of time on the on the vinyl before it starts to lose the quality of the record. Well, no, it's it's actually the minutes on the record, so like something over twenty two minutes aside, something about the grooves in the vinyl makes the sound quality go go the other way. So so there's that, you know. So we actually had another song. We dropped a song on this off of this to make it fit on the vinyl, and then I decided not to add it back on CD. You can put as many as you want. Um, I didn't want to. I didn't do that because I didn't want there to be something somewhere that went anywhere else. So that's a consideration. And then you have to think about, well, if somebody's gonna flip this record over, how does it's almost like a a six song playlist on each side? Here is come fly with Me, Come Fly with Me. That's fly Let's fine. Did you find that songs like this, the more legendary songs, were a little harder to do because everybody knows them because I would be like, I just don't want to screw this up. Everybody knows yes. And also interestingly, the big, huge, lush symphony ballads, we're not as hard as the lighter like come Fly with Me, kind of the jazzy, more rhythmic things, because you find yourself trying to think about being cool when you're singing it, and you have to not think about it. You have to just like you have to go, look, you know what to sing, don't overthink it, don't worry about it, just sing it. Um. But yes, I mean come Fly with Me, one for my Baby, one for the Road. Those are such quintessential Frank songs, right, so you just have to hope that people know that you are just trying to show your respect. And with Frank, it's such a weird thing because you want to do it right because of Frank's legend. However, people love Frank and if you don't do it right. I just I danced to Frank's Natra song I Dance with Stars, and people were lighting me up because I wasn't great at the dancer. It's like, how would you disrepect Frank Sinatra? And I was like, I'm dancing. This isn't I didn't New York, New York, and they were like, how would you just like? I dance a good I could a lot of dancer. I just liked the song. But I saw then a little bit how pissy people would get when you wouldn't do everything wonderfully. What you have to do is you have to just understand that if you I know that my respect level for him and his music is high. I know that my intention was to make a record that was mine but also was a very uh you know, specific tribute to him. And there's got to be somebody out there that is like, really, what does this country chicks thinking doing a Sinatra record? But I really don't care. I mean, it's kind of like, if you're gonna do it, you know, you go out and you dance your heart out, Bobby Bones, and you don't worry about what I worried about whatever. But it thought because I wasn't for the last Um, let's be Frank's out. Um. I should mention that first song that we played, that's the one that you and Garth wrote, right, is that that's what you told me. We talked about it on the radio show. No Yeah, we um, yeah that one. So I came home with, um, this title in my head and I think I told you when we talked before that you know Garcia one and all the songwriter Hall of Fames, and so I'm like, I don't. I'm not really a confident writer, and I tend to do things that come easy to me, but if they're a little bit of work, I give up pretty quickly. I'm good at that. And uh, writing is one of those things that I mean, I've written all my cookbooks and their stories about my life and my family, but they're not poems. They don't rhyme, they're not you know, I'm not a poet like Garth is, but he is. So it worked out really well and we worked on this together, and I really I would I would not have. I didn't intend to write a song for the record. It wasn't didn't happen at the same time. But um, when the song was finished, it felt like a throwback to another era. So when this album came about, it felt like the place to put it. It fits with all the other songs too, Like I if I would have just played it and not known. Um, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry. I'm just off the end of a cold and it's like the cough won't go away WHI you take a drink. We'll take a quick break here. So I had to get ready today to shower, brush teeth. Why faced out your hair, I'm ask him because it's a proud member of Dollar Shave Club. 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I feel like you guys would really get along. And he needed he needs to call you to do some of his chick singer demos and like cool, and Garth was, um, didn't have a record do it yet. I think he had just signed with Capital, didn't have an album out yet. And um, so one day Kent hired us uh for to do a demo a duet. So we met at Kent's house in the attic for ten bucks a song. And Garth says he didn't get paid anything that day, but I think he got ten bucks that day. And um, that was the day that we met. So we met before he was you know, famous. And I remember him saying, because that day he said he went to Bob Dull, his manager, and said this girl like you've got to hear this girl sing. I UM remember him saying, you know, I just got signed to Capital, I'm about to put up my first album, and I hope some day, you know, we can work together and uh if I'm lucky enough to do well and whatever. And remember when he left, I thought, that's cool, Like I mean, I thought, this guy's got really big dreams. I mean, I hope, you know, like he's he's not even released his album yet and he's asking me to, you know, be on his tour kind of thing. And then of course he became Garth Brooks and after that first album, UM, then he called me to come and sing on the second album, and so it was songs like um uh Cole's Shoulder when that on the second album, Cole Shoulder was on the second album. UM, I missed the Friends in the Places day I was out of town on Toury literally missed that day, which really bummed me out because there's like everybody's on that song and I wanted to be on that record and it wasn't um. But fast forward to when I got my record deal a couple of years later, and uh, by that time, Friends and the Places was out and he was this phenomenon, you know, and so he he said, let's go over to m c A and go see Tony Brown and about seeing if you want to come out on tour with me. And everybody was wanting to be on that tour. I mean, it was like the tour to be on. And so when we got to the front desk, the receptionist, Willie she Um called back to Tony and said Garth and Trisher here, and Garth Fondis is my producer, so Tony thought it was me and my producer. And so I walked in with Garth Brooks and he's like, i'd like to want I like to talk to you about maybe taking Trisha on this tour, and of course I was like yes, you know. So for me it was kind of a blessing and a curse because I had grown up doing demos. I had not grown up in the clubs. I had not come up through learning my way in front of a small crowd of drunks. So my very first audiences were opening for Garth and you know, doing a set in front of fifteen thousand people who didn't know who I was. That was my first and of course Garth being Garth, you know, most of the time, if you're on a big tour like at the artist has all their stuff and then there's a big curtain in front of it and you've got about three ft to stand in front of them do your show, which would have been a dream coming true for me because I was terrified. And of course Garth's like, here, use my whole stage, you know, and I'm like, oh, that's so great, So that was it was terrifying, but I had to It was really baptism by fire, you know. And I had Shees and Loved the Boy out, which was doing well, but that was the only song I had on the radio, so people spent either the entire twenty minutes I was out there getting popcorn or yelling for Sheason Loved the Boy, you know, until that was my last song. Is that the first song of yours that you heard on the radio? Yeah, She's in Love with the Boy? Yeah, and play that one a little bit. Did you know it was coming when you heard it the first time? I remember exactly where I was. I was just I was right down the street here in Green Hills, driving down the road in a had a four door Burgundy Honda used and I was driving down that road and I heard it come on, and I rolled all the windows down, and I don't know why. I guess I thought I wanted everybody on the street to hear too. I don't. I mean, it was like this, you know, just this whole your whole body lights up, you know, and um, it was the most exciting thing in the world because I had literally wanted to be a singer since I was five years old, and I remember listening to the radio and my mom's and dad's kitchen in our house, thinking I was naive enough to think, well, they're on the radio, why can't I be? And I think that's part of the reason that I became one of those one percent, because I didn't know the odds. I don't know what the odds were, and I really just believable. If they can do it, why can't I do it? Did you feel when you were working at the front desk and people would come into work in a profession that you wanted to do, that you were as good as they were already? Because I know it's frustrating when people are doing what you want to do, But did you feel like, oh, I'm I'm there talent wise, it's just gotta put in my time. My thing was I believed in my voice. I believed that I had a voice and that I could sing. But I'm I'm basically an introvert. I mean, I'm not like I grew up watching Barbara Mandrell on television and she played every instrument and she danced and she did all this stuff, and I was not. I'm not that kind of an entertainer, and so I really thought, um, you know, I'm I can sing, I'm a little bit overweight. I don't play an instrument. Really, I can play a little bit of guitar, but I don't. So I didn't think I had enough. I thought, I've got this one skill that I believe in, but I don't have all these other ones. So I think for me it was I did have a strong belief in myself, and I don't think if I didn't, I wouldn't be sitting here. But at the same time, I had all these doubts about the things that I thought I needed to be able to do before I could be be successful at it. So you felt you had to develop. Even then you felt like you need to develop a bit more. Yet no, no, I mean. And I went to Belmont where there were so many music majors, and you couldn't you throw a stick without somebody telling you what a great singer they were, you know, And I was not that girl. And even actually at at MTM Records, Um, after I got my record deal, there were people at that building who said, we didn't even know, we didn't know sang. Really, yeah, so you weren't you aren't one of the ones that were like, hey, I sing i sing I was not. I was not. How did you change that? Then? How did you start telling people I sing i sing? I think it was because I was shy and I wasn't bold about telling people I was a singer. But after working at that label for about six months and answering the phones and ordering liquid paper and not and watching people do what I wanted to do, I realized, if I don't tell somebody this is what I do, if I don't really get off my butt and try to make this happen, then I'm going to get to do this for the rest of my life. And I reconnected. I had UM. I had a couple of songwriters, one was camp Lazy that I had done demos for, and I UM. I just found those guys again and said, hey, I'm trying to find I'm trying to get some demo work, and demo work was my way out. Once I started to get enough work that I could actually quit my job. Who was it for you that took the big shot like you? We went, Wow, this person really like put it out there for me to believed in me, when maybe they didn't have to. I mean there was, there were several were a lot of people. The chain of events were the two Garth's honestly, because when I met Garth Brooks, he was the person who introduced me to Alan Reynolds, his producer, and Alan was really a great friend to me because Alan gave me advice based on what he thought was best for me, not what he thought I could maybe do for him. And he was the guy who said you should meet Garth Fundis. He's a guy who I feel like you guys really hit it off. And Fundus was the one who, when he heard me seeing said let's do a showcase. He's the one who went to bat for me at the record labels and to help me get a record deal. And he was the one who helped me get the music that was in my head on to tape what I what I really wanted, how I really wanted to sound, and the music kind of music that I wanted to make. So it was it was really all of those people together, because I would never met Garth Fundus if it wouldn't have been for Garth Brooks um and so I guess it really was, you know, ended up being my husband the one that really believed in me. That that was like the Stargeant telling everybody about me. And he didn't even have a single on the radio, so he was doing that before. He was, Yeah, freaking Garth Brooks. He was just a guy named Garth. He just he was a less famous guard probably the time. And he was. And then it was like I knew two Guarths. Now. Eventually the guy there's a guy who's a tour manager's name is Garth and he came in and um did an interview for a job, and I told him, I said, you're probably great at what you do, but I can't know you, like I just can't, Like I I have two guards in my life. It's already too weird, Like I just can't do it. That's a true story that happened. That's a lot of guards. I mean, even two guards. I know obviously your husband a bit. I don't know any other Garths I know. It's so it's so odd. And actually if we're all in the studio together, which happens, it's very strange, you know. So actually I started calling Garth fund As Tennessee because I'm like, I have to have like a nickname for you. Because I can't because I'd say Guarth. They both with their head around, you know, like because they never hear anybody else called Garth. So yeah, so it's a it's a thing on on this new Let's Be Frank record. You went and recorded, did you say you recorded like with the like the mic that Frank Sinatra used. Does that mic just chill there or they like bring it out for special occasions they use it. I mean it's you know, Capital is like a working museum, you know. I mean you walk and you think this stuff should be behind glass. But I guess it's cool that you actually get to use this stuff. But at the same time, it's like it's Sinatra's microphone and um and the bar stools in there, the straight back chairs, they're they're like, there's tons of photos of Frank and and Judy Garland and Dean Martin. All this stuff is that is the Capital gear, and I guess that's part of the vibe. I mean, you definitely feel the ghosts in this room when you're in there. But I would be afraid to use all that stuff. But I mean some of the best microphones, like Nashville, where where I make my country records I use. I used this annoyment. It's called C twelve and it's a Now it's a microphone that I've used for years because I like how it my voice can tend to if I get loud at either the Michael shut down or the Michael sound really, I'll sound really tinny and high ending, and I don't. I want it to still sound warm, and that's a challenge. And the other thing is if they put a compressor on your voice, then you can handle the big lud, but it just still shut your voice down. So it's a thing. So there's this one microphone that I love, and I've been trying to buy this microphone forever because there are you can put four the same exact side by side, but there's one that's gonna sound different. And I've been stalking this microphone for years, and I finally I bought it, like last week. Yeah, finally finally they sold Um. Not not terrible, but it's it's yeah, but hard to get. And it's an old microphone. So so this microphone is probably years old. So it is a it's that it's one of those things that doesn't that that time is a friend too. It doesn't make it like old. This is just old. There is something sweet about it. And I will say that that that Frank microphone was warm and friendly, and it just made your voice feel like butter, and you just felt like you could sing anything. One of the things that I would compare it because I am very particular abou the mics that I use every day, right, because I talk every day, so mikes are important to me, and also headphones. But I would compare them to people who don't. If you don't work in music or sound like the you can have ten pair of jeans that are exactly the same, but one of those pair of jeanes is gonna fit you so just right. You may have three pairs you own it the same, but that one pair you always go back to because it just feels the best. And you can't really explain it so much like a little bit. You can maybe it fits you a little better here, but you're like, oh, this one just feels better, Like it fits me better. That's how I describe abology, and and the microphone too, and what you hear in your headphones, it's so um subjective, right, So it's whatever feels good to you. And sometimes it's hard to describe if especially if I'm in the studio and the engineer is um ask me what I need. Sometimes it's hard to say exactly what it's doing. But if you're if you've worked with somebody long enough, you can kind of say I feel this way or that way and they're like, oh, I got it, and they'll they'll figure it out. That's the one thing I've really enjoyed about making records with Garth Fondis, who we've made it most of our records with and we just finished in a country record now, is that we've worked together for so long that I can tell him something's not right and I don't know exactly what it is, but I but something in here is bugging me. And he'll usually go, oh, I bet you don't like the blah blah blah here, let's turn that down. He he knows me well enough to kind of know. So we have a language That is nice because I can't always articulate what I want, but he seems to know. Then. It's funny because the analogy I used for that is like if you're getting like a massage, it's hard to say exactly where it hurts, but if they like confined it, you're like, oh, that's it, that's it. That's right there, Like that's that's how adjusting something that you really can't explain is. Yeah, that's for sure. Oh you gotta come back a little bit there, right there, right there there it is. That's that's also the sound I do. I get a massage when you do from this Let's be Frank record. Will you do any of these songs live? Yeah? Um we we just did our first show um at the Rainbow Room in New York, um, fitting for the Frank Record. And it was the first time I had done all of these songs. And it's really funny. You'll find this funny. I think I had done a few of the songs, but I hadn't done the whole show. And I've been doing a lot of press in New York that week, and um, I had a long day. It was one of those morning shows where I got up at four and then I had to show that night. And in about three o'clock that afternoon, before sound check, it hit me, I haven't done these songs, Like, I don't know if I know all the words. Did? They all laughed and the ladies of Tramp. There's a lot of verses, and there's a lot going on here, and I'm nervous. And as the Rainbow Room innutes New York, and so I spent a couple of hours while I was getting made hair, makeup, and everybody's coming and asking me questions, listening and listening and listening. So I was terrified that night because I thought, I can't go out of here and this. I've been waiting to do this record for twenty years, and I don't remember all the words to the ladies of Tramp, like I will be I will be carried out of here, you know, record on their phone right exactly. Um. And but I did. I did find it was a good night. It was a good night. But I was terrified. UM. And I loved it, like I loved singing these songs. We did a few of like we did She's Loved the Boy, and we did um walk Away Joe. But I kind of couldn't wait to get to these songs just because UM. And when we do, when we do a tour, we'll do some of the songs that people know me for, but we'll also do these. It's just I don't know how we're gonna do it because you kind of want you're it's kind of changing into a different mode, and when you're in that mode, you kind of want to stay there. So we'll see how we do it. I've done some symphony shows before before I made this record, um, and I have some really cool orchestra arrangements for some of those songs. But um, so we'll see that expensive talking about expensive band orchestra, yeah, I mean yes, I mean that's the thing. You know, a lot of people don't use live orchestra anymore because it's so expensive. L A was good and they get a lot of work because they had a lot of movie scores and stuff. But um, fifty pieces. I mean, you know, this album will have to do well for me to do another one because it's really a lot of money and you don't have to do that anymore. But I can't imagine having done this another way. To be in the room with everybody, it's almost like you're all taking in same breath in and out, and the conductors across from you and he's looking at you for a signal of how long do you want to pause here and how and you're all working together and it feels like you're just another instrument in the room. And I can't imagine doing it another way. It was, It's one of the coolest things ever. Would you use a prompter, let's say the words you just didn't have it? Would you put a prompter up? I mean, I hope I've never done that. I hope not, because here's what. Here's what I find. If I'm doing an award show or something and they they'll have the prompter. I even if I if I'm singing She's a Love of the Boy, which I sang a million times, and I know I'm gonna I'm gonna look at the prompter, you know. So I feel like it's a thing that makes you look. And I've been to shows and seeing people use prompter and I find them staring at the prompter, and so I don't want to be that girl. So as long as I can remember the words, and if I forget words, I just blame someone else, like I blame the microphone. I pretend something's wrong, you know, like I have lots of ways around it, or I just acknowledge I totally totally forgot the words. Um. I'd rather do that, I think than UM. And I have a pretty good memory for lyrics. So as long as I do, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep doing that. You mentioned Walkaway Joe, and we'll play that just for a bit here, A song like that that you're saying to thousand times, right, do you go into a mode of like when you drive, you know you're driving, but you've driven this way so many times that you probably are doing most of that driving subconsciously? Do you do that with these massive songs where it's just like you're so comfortable it's hard to not fall back into the subconscious place of just singing the song. I mean, I would would be lying if I said I'd never done that. But the time, I I'm so dramatic, and I love a story, and I always make myself a character in the story. So if in that in Walkaway Joe, I'm a character for those three and a half minutes, you know. So I really get lost in the lyric of a song, and I enjoy that. That's part of what I get out of live performing. So I will say that I I'm sure I've done it, but I also do really think about this. This is something that that I learned on the garth tour, there's gonna be somebody in the audience who's never seen you before and it's never going to see you again, and the only time they're ever going to hear walk Away Joe Live is this moment, And so I don't really want to be making my mental grocery list while they're in there for that moment. And I do think about that before I go out. So um, I'm sure I've done it, but I try not to do it. And Mickey Mantle would say, there's always somebody in in the stands who has never seen Mickey Mantle before and will never see Mickey Mantle again, So I gotta go out and make it special for that person. But it's such a hard thing to do because you see you do it so often. Do you in Carthey keep to the pep talks? Because I've never met either one of you together separately, and you're not just awesome, and it's almost annoying where it's like I would like to I'd like to catch you on off day because that just means you're human. You know, you guys have never not been awesome to me. Well, I'm more human than him. I mean I think he I think one of the reasons that I have um more of a grateful, positive outlook in life in general is because of him, because he he looks at everything in a positive way. I mean, he will he will spend the positive no matter what, And I think that I I want to be that, but I'm not as much so as him, but I am more so that way with him in my life. And I think that there's just a I mean, honestly, when you really think about it, what we get to do for a living, if you really think about it, is so such a great job. It's not even really a job. It's like I'm getting paid to have every day be different in my life, and I get to go sing and I get to basically set my own schedule, and I'm doing what I have always wanted to do my whole life. So I really, if I complain about that, someone should really just punch me in the face. Can I be Devil's advocate for a second? Yes, you sacrifice a lot. You have a lot of talent. It's not that anybody can do it. And you not only have a lot of talent because a lot of people have talent, but people don't have talent and work ethic, and again it's that perfect mixture of the both and also catching a couple of breaks and giving a couple of breaks. Like it is. I agree with you because I feel the same way. But again, it's not like it was handed to you and you go out and go you know what this this is given to me. I actually appreciate what was given to me, like you work so hard for it. Well, I think there is. I mean, I think it's a Will Rogers quote that something about um luck is disguised in overalls and something. I felt like it's a bunch of work. But I mean, I think it is a drive that makes the work feel like not work really, because it's you're so driven. I don't. I always say, I don't feel like I chose this, Like I never I didn't wake up one day and go, hey, I think it'd be really cool to be a singer. I feel like I was, and it felt like a calling and it was almost It was hard when I couldn't do it because as a young girl and as a teenager in a small town where nobody did what I wanted to do, I didn't know how to go about it. And that was the most frustrating part. Once I got to Nashville. Then I'm like, Okay, I'm here now, and I'm just gonna be here and I'm gonna I'm just gonna figure it out. There's a drive there. And I am a person who I like balance. So like yesterday, I didn't have anything on my schedule yesterday, and I say, to my pajamas most of the day, I play with my dogs, I read a book, I had coffee and I loved it. But I couldn't. I couldn't do that every day. I need this. This has been a great day. It's been a really busy day. I've had the best day. So it's a it's and it's because I'm doing what I enjoy. Yeah, I feel the same way. And I work really hard but also love what I do, which makes me work really hard, which is because I love. It's just a it's a nice little circle. Yeah, the recycle arrows almost. It's like, you do have to figure out the balance when you have I don't have that yet. Do you know anybody I don't even life balance? Let me know. Um, yeah, I don't know. If I can help, you don't tell them. I don't drink though, because it runs the whole thing. I want to talk abou need that though, Bobby, we have to find you. We have to find you that balance. You need it because you will just work all the time if you don't have a bad Well, that's what I do. Here's my cycle is that I go, I'm gonna work all the time because if I work hard, I gets because called that somebody will like me. Right, And then I work all the time and I don't build my my ecosystem of friends and folks. And so when I go, you know what, I'm not gonna work. I'm gonna take a second and I take a break, and there's no go system a friend that folks on me because I haven't built. It's like being a gardener. We're not playing in the garden for my food. We didn't plan an idiot. That's why it's like, that's what I'm saying to myself. And then I'm like, you know, it's screwed this. I don't want to be I don't have system's gonna keep working. So it never end. After you've been through all the Netflix you can watch, then it's time to go back to work. Yeah, I do want you have watched Netflix. What do you what do you watch recently? Um, well, I've been on this whole kick of all these really disturbing documentaries on everything that you know from abducted in plain Site so disturbing. I couldn't I couldn't help myself to Dirty John too. Like it's just like I really need to watch like a Disney movie, although usually someone dies in the first five minutes, so that's not good when need to find something else that abducted a plain sight so disturbing, so incredibly disturbing. I'm glad it was only one episode. I would've done in a second one. Yeah. I get excited when I find me too. I get excited when I find out a show that I love has new episodes that I didn't know so that I can bange watch. So I just figured out the second half of the last of this current season of Shameless is out and I didn't know it. So yesterday and I was in my pajamas, I got to watch like four episodes in a row that I had not seen, and I was so excited because I love that show. Um, you watched Ted Bundy tapes? I did. That's that's I can't wait to the movie. I can't wait to see the movie movies and it's it's a Netflix movie too, is it. Yeah, so it'll be right right into our even the great isn't The great thing about Netflix movies is that I didn't even tell you they're coming, so you don't sit there and go, I can't wait. I can't wait. It's like boom, you got a movie and I love it. It's ramy. I was a kid. I was in high school when um or Junior High was. It was eighties, right, so I was in high school. So when that story was real and a thing, it was before cell phones. It was also really before like serial murders. It was like that was kind of the beginning. So I remember, and one of my best friends who lives here in Nashville is from Seattle, and she she there's that that park that one of the girls was. She was in that park that day and um, she and her girlfriend saw a BW bug drive by and slow down and then they went and they ran, they ran into the woods, and I'm like, maybe you, like if think you might have seen Ted Bundy that day. Like so it's it's terrifying when you realize that it's kind of happened when it could have happened to you as as a young girl. And also that it was kind of the beginning of this whole serial killer thing. So if you if you were alive during that time, I mean, our kids go, well, I don't, I don't even understand it. I'm like, yeah, it was, it was a thing. It was a big deal. The craziest thing about that to me was state to state you could basically go do whatever you want in this state, just jump over the state line, and they didn't share records with each other. You're a brand new man, all right. I mean, isn't he the reason that there became like an FBI database because there wasn't one, right that and also the fact that he escaped jail twice blew my mind. He would practice jumping off his top cell to get his legs strong so we can jump out of the building. Then when he lost all the weight, so we could go through the little ceiling square in the ceiling to get out of me and come on, Yeah, that was crazy. And then I felt guilty when it was over because I really enjoyed it, Like I enjoyed the show of it, and I enjoyed learning the history of it, and I'm like, oh, I shouldn't feel that way. So then I watch like five episode of the Office to kind of cleanse myself something I do. Want to talk about this country record that you're gonna put out, I'll just call it. I would even call it a country record. I would say, your record another record, because like it's time right, Just is me talking like it's time right? Yes, I mean thank you, I mean yes, I mean I think what happened, honestly was I didn't say I'm going to take several years off of making records. It just the tour with Garth plus the cooking show, which I you know, I never dreamed I would be doing all this other stuff. It's sort of became, well, I'll i'll make a record, I'll make a record, and it just kind of kept getting put on the back burner. And it is what feeds my soul. It is what I do. It is what brings me the most joy of all these things I do that I love. And so last year or two thousand eighteen, after the tour ended, I just made it a priority and like I'm making music this year. And that's how the Sinatra record happened, and then I started the country record, which I would call it a country record in uh in May, and we're mixing starting this week. So um, it was so much fun. It reminded me that that whole life is short and get get after it thing. I don't want to wait. I want to just keep making music. I'm not worried about at this point in my life. I'm not worried about how I'm going to get it out there. I'll figure that out. I mean, I don't know about radio, I don't know about any of those things. But I wasn't thinking about any of that in the studio. I was just finding songs that felt good. I laughed a lot, I sang a lot, I feel like my voice feel strong, I feel good, and I just I did what I do. If you're going to call yourself an artist, that's what you do. And then you figure out someone else will help you figure out how you get it out there. Do you guys record a song and songs that you obviously really love and go, oh, that could be the single? Like do you do you now? Are you leaning towards one? You're going I think this is the one that and whatever single means radio highlighted on playlist. You know it first. It's funny because at first I said, and I said, um, I'm not making her. I'm not even to send this record radio Like, I'm just gonna make an album. I don't care. I don't care about having anything on the radio. And then as I started making the record and started listening to the songs and started like I love these songs, and I'm like, well, this could be a single, you know, And so so we're I'm just about at that place where I'm going to figure that out. But I it's funny because I guess it's ego or it's my own self confidence. But when I hear it, I go, I I can hear this on on the radio, So I mean, that'll be for a group of people to weigh in on. But I feel like, um, I feel like there's there's crea some things. And the cool thing is the hard thing is I'm fifty four, I'm a woman. There's so those are two big strikes against me for radio. But the good news is that there is more opportunity, I think, and openness to do things however you do them now, So it doesn't it's not as well. You've got to be on these three labels, and you can only get there's there's just a million ways to do it now, so I think there's While some things are harder, some things are easy year. So um, we'll see. I'm excited about it. Well, thank you. Yeah, I am too, I really am. I mean I when we made the this Let's be frank in the summer, I've been chomping at the bit to get it out, and now that it's out, I'm chomping at the bit to get the country record out. So um, I'm I'm very excited to come in and talk to you about it. Yeah, don't send it to me early though, I will not listen to it. I will not send it to early right, not that you were going to, but don't send it to me early. What's good to know because I want to. I want to send it to you and you'll listen to it. Well, My thing is, I think you can be of the industry other people, right, one of the two. And I don't listen to music early because I don't want to be cooler than my people, and so some of my best friends will go won't listen to it. I just I have a rule, and it's also a slippery slope. But but it's mostly about I don't want to be of the industry and it gets me a trouble a lot. You know good and bad, you know Yin yang. But I just I won't because like I like to wake up on the Friday and I'll listen to it before I go to show sometimes sometimes after Never can I hear a full record before I go on the air. It takes an hour. Sometimes it's a weeds A record takes nineteen minutes one of the two. Um, and I like to experience it like my people experience it. And so yeah, like I'm excited if you come in early and we do an interview. This is what this is my moral dilemma. If you come in early, because sometimes let's say you're gonna go to press in New York, you're not gonna be able to talk to me on album day, and you come in on a Wednesday and have to like play the clips. I feel like I'm dirty to my people because but I have to the interview. I feel bad I shouldn't hear this. It's like a baby that covers ear muffs from old school. Well, it's kind of like I will, like I want to go support the artists. So even for myself, like I have a thing where I go and buy my album on the first day. It's kind of like that. I mean, I um, and if somebody gives me an advanced copy of something, I still want to go buy it because I want all the artwork and I want I want everything I want to I want to have the original whatever. So I still do that since the very first album. I go and buy my my records every on the on release day. Let me mention trip to tailgate real quick. Tell me about that. So when we were doing the tour with Garth the last one, I guess I just didn't notice it because I mean, I'm a sports girl, so I know about tailgating, and that's the thing in Georgia especially, but um, everybody tailgates for these concerts and they're there all day long and they're just waiting and waiting for the show. So we thought we'd set up a big tent, make it a very cool, very nice tailgate if you want to come beforehand, seven or eight tricia dishes and drinks and games and we're gonna do food demos. It's just gonna be. It's kind of like the ultimate tailgate for about three hours before doors open to go in and see the stadium show. Yus are still giving to the fans. You know that you probably hear it some but you don't get here. People talk about you behind your back that often. But the thing that's said about both you and Garth and I said up to your face a minute ago, you guys are always great, and so we wonder are you real? Like you what's under that skin? I have to get back in my pod later. Yeah, do you walk into recharged like back in like the iPhone? But yeah, I mean, you guys are and I think that for a lot of artists it's something to look at, is that you guys really you know where my grandmaways say, well your bread is buttered and and I've learned from you guys too, And but I also know that my people got me here there. I want to be doing this, I want to be doing the radio show. I want to be doing stand up on the road if it weren't for the people. But you guys are superstars and you still keep that as your number one. That's awesome to me. Well, I think you definitely have to keep in mind that you don't get to go out there and do those shows if those people don't show up. You know that that doesn't that doesn't fly, you know. I think there's a real realization of that. And I I'm in a relationship. I keep giving Garth credit, But I mean when I my very first tour was opening for him in and it was like it was like the way to be one on one with him because he was he was He became a superstar, I mean like no one has seen in country music. And I watched him helping roll up cords that load out and being kind to every single person in his path, and I remember thinking, well, he's Garth Brooks, Like he doesn't have to be nigh and people won't nobody's gonna say anything because he's like he's the star of the show. But the way he treated people was a lesson for me. And we both were raised by families who would not have tolerated us not being nice to people. But at the same time, you know, you gotta hit record and people are opening the door for you and carrying your bags. I might have gone down the path if somehow in somewhere in my brain thinking I deserve that, but living with him and being around him, it was a great lesson to see to remember who you are always and no matter what happens to you. And I mean, I really do credit him with that because he and it's genuine. You know, I've known him such a long time now, and I thought at some point the other shoe's got a drop, like I think he's I think he's a He's a unicorn for sure, Like I keep thinking, I'm going to see the other side. And he's just a good guy. He just is. Andah, oh yeah, it's total baby, Yeah, total baby. Yes, he's got a cold, like, oh my god, he's not a good patience. That's what I figured. I knew he's not. There's this weakness. All right. Let's be frank Um is out now, and that the new country record, which we haven't said a name of anything yet. I don't know a name of anything. You don't know the name yet. I've got a couple ideas, but I'll probably have one by the next tilet me toss one at you. Let's be Tricia, Yeah, nice, we're doing it. Let's I really enjoyed our talking, you know, I really enjoy you. Um, you are a delight, you really are. I love this. It's like this time has gone really quickly. So we've been here seven hours really already tomorrow. Yeah, it's like when you start dating someone you talk older than night. That's what he yeah right, yeah, you wouldn't know anything about that, about that so long. All right, let's be frank really, thank you, and everybody check out. Let's be frank and we'll just sit and wait, sit on our hands until the country. And no, I won't play it for you early, but I won't bring it to you the day of if you have a party, I will not be there. And we're going to have to do the release at Nashville just so I can come play it for you that day. It's going to have to have. It's so weird to have an artist play music for you, though, because I have to do this thing where you just bob your head and act like you're feeling it. This is not what do you do if you're not like what if you don't say you do? You go into it the same way every time when this is me you ready, I'm act right now? Right? M that's it? Oh wow, it was good like it's the same thing, Bust that I'm gonna watch you like a hawk. Next time we get together and you're listening to my music, I will know. I won't listen to ask Leslie. I will listen to a song with somebody in front of me out of your mind. So, as an artist, I go and sit with a publisher and a songwriter and they play me their song that they poured their heart into, and I have to say face to face to them, I mean, that's just not for me. Should I say that to you record? You know what? Just not for me? I mean it's great, but it's just not for me. Like the old stuff, you would kill me. It's really that hard. That's your job to do that. It's hard to do. I hate. I hate to make people sad. Yeah, me too, So let me just say already I love every song you're you've made and are gonna make. Thank you, alright, what episode one sixty four. We'll see you guys next time. Stay silver Bird,