Margo Price

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Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with Margo Price. I'm just playing.

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Speaker 2: Long Weuy, I'm just playing lone Weezy.

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Speaker 1: Hi, welcome to the show. This is playing along and I'm your host, Norah Jones. With me as always is Sarah Oda. Thank you for hello having me. Hello, Welcome, We're at all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, We're back, We're back.

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Speaker 1: This is our doubleheader first week. It is a doubleheader new episodes. We also have an episode out this week with Black Pumas, and we decided to make it a two fur and we're also doing this amazing episode with Margo.

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Speaker 4: Price, our guest today, Margo Price.

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Speaker 5: She's one of the boldest, most honest voices out there in the modern country world.

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Speaker 4: She is Grammy nominated. She's a total powerhouse.

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Speaker 5: Her debut album, West Farmer's Daughter came out in twenty sixteen, and now she has a total of five albums out, including her latest project called Hard Headed Woman, which.

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Speaker 4: Just came out this past August. And you might hear some music from that later.

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Speaker 1: You will hear some music from that later. I'm teasing it. Oh sorry, I'm like, what, that's what we're here for. Is to play music and hang out and talk and she's just so fun. We had such a good time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys talk about some of her inspirations, sort of how she got her start in music, the vastness of country music and how it's evolved over time. You're going to learn about her signature guitar and lots of good music as always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please enjoy. We have so much fun doing this episode and I think you're gonna love it. Enjoy the episode with Margo Price. This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. There is some spicy language in this episode, so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but just so you know it's there.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna get my boot going. We have a little boot on the recording. We'll see if I can stand in time with myself.

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Speaker 1: I like your boots.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: In the Dry Rivers Run Nowhere Somewhere nineteen ninety time.

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Speaker 9: House Speeding down the Gravel.

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Speaker 8: Road has the Merse County.

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Speaker 10: By has the mers County line.

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Speaker 6: On your way down Wall.

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Speaker 8: She paid me up.

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Speaker 7: If there's.

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Speaker 8: Room enough, you've.

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Speaker 2: Got gas in the truck.

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Speaker 11: If you're going over, I could use a ride.

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Speaker 12: Mm hmmm, boy, the hellas south they dry nowhere to slay.

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Speaker 8: Thoughts, go no.

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Speaker 2: Between the combine clouds and the waves down the miles and miles of.

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Speaker 13: Course, and the miles and miles of course, on your way down, won't you pay me?

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Speaker 7: If there's.

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Speaker 2: Room enough and you've got guys in the truck. If you go in no over, I could use a rise.

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Speaker 8: With the headlinds of it. Turn the radio. We'll be good as gone when the sun comes up.

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Speaker 13: Tell her way stops till Louis's call Hanny antin.

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Speaker 8: Russ tail, The pavement burns, he.

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Speaker 3: Some mol turns, and soon blaze glory.

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Speaker 8: Come no locress plant.

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Speaker 3: A singer read, rewrite the story.

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Speaker 8: On your way down? Won't you pay.

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Speaker 7: Up?

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Speaker 8: If there's.

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Speaker 2: Ruin h you've got guys in the trouble, if you're.

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Speaker 9: Going over, can use all right for the head struck.

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Speaker 7: M h.

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Speaker 6: Nice, sounded so good.

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Speaker 1: It was great, such a great song.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I really love this song.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I wrote it with Jeremy and also this really wonderful writer named Morgan Nigler. She I've written with her a couple of times, and she's just got a great lyrical sensibility. But she's actually putting out some of her own music. But she's like written a lot with Jenny Lewis and Cool Phoebe Bridgers.

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Speaker 1: And Okay, yeah, I don't really know anybody down in Nashville. She's sort of she lives in La Okay.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to think how I met her. I don't know. She knows like Jonathan Wilson and.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I know that that kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she like lived out there into Pega Canyon, like on his property.

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Speaker 1: For a while. Oh fine, yeah, okay, but she's yeah, she's great.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she kind of helped helped that one come together. I was having like trouble with the phrasing of the tagline and then the end, the end part was really fun.

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Speaker 1: We kind of wrote that together. It's fun and it's just there's like some yeah, it's simple, but it's got some turns that you don't expect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for I like it. And the words are just so they feel very you know, yeah, straight from the heart you know, where are you from? Are you from the heartland?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, as you could tell talking about corn when you see them exactly. Yeah. I'm from a little town in the Midwest. It's called Alito, Illinois, Okay, and it's got like three thousand people in it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's tiny.

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Speaker 6: It is really tiny. And my parents lived in the country. We didn't live in the town. And actually the closest town near us was called Hamlet, and it was just like a mile up the road the other way. The bigger town was five miles away. But it has a sign that still says like Hamlet population thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so's song kind of feels desolate like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can, I can kind of picture it. Yeah, yeah, did you did? You grow up with a big family?

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Speaker 6: So I have two younger sisters and and like lots of cousins and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's a little less desolate if you're at in the yeah on the sticks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. I had my sisters to play with, and we spent most of our time kind of outside and like making forts in the woods and that's so fun.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it.

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Speaker 6: Was idyllic. I mean, definitely had to get out of there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like to.

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Speaker 6: I like to go back and really just like shut down. There's my parents like still there.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my childhood home is still there. My my parents still have it. And I go back and there's they don't have any like internet service at their house. Really, it's really been that like you could go to like one spot in the house or like kind of works that they still have a lambline.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that's fun. It is fun.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's probably good for your kids to go visit it really is. We go out there and just like ride ATVs and I don't know, go break into abandoned buildings and stuff. Yeah, fun things that we used to do in the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like now you have to curate that kind of child really you do. There's a whole movement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I like taking the devices away from my kids and I'm like, go do something dangerous outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, climb a tree, I know, just climb the tree. Just yeah exactly, yeah, just get outside. But I have a friend who is raising his kids like it's the nineties, like very intentionally. I love they don't have streaming TV even they do they have like a thousand DVDs and fun kind of like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I grew up with no cable. My grandma had cable, so after school we would hang at her house and I would like watch Nickelodeon and so I could keep up with my friends and get you know, I like watch the MTV and stuff. But at my house we had five channels. And I never had a Nintendo. I never had a Sega or any of the video game like consoles that people had. I just wasn't very good at them. Yeah, so it was kind of nice that, Well.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be good at them when you're not playing them all the time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I just.

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Speaker 6: Did things like I don't know, I read a lot of books and yeah, like I said, just writing around on like four wheelers.

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Speaker 1: And it's great. Yeah that sounds awesome.

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Speaker 6: Smoking cigarettes and drinking beers, you know, the things that people used to do.

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Speaker 1: But were you did you leave home pretty pretty immediately?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I was ready to get out of there.

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Speaker 1: Where did you go?

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Speaker 6: I went to school in Chicago for two years at Northern Illinois University, and then just was like, I have got to get out of the Midwest. I had a cousin who lived in Nashville, and I went to visit her on spring break, and I really wanted to move to New York or Los Angeles, but my parents were like, oh, you'll never be able to drive in the City's too far away, it's too dangerous, And they were right, probably.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to though, Yeah, I guess, yeah, no way, you can drive.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no way, you kind of have to drive. But so yeah, I moved to Nashville at the age of twenty.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: It was right around the time that Johnny Cash died. Okay, not being a big deal, but been there ever since. Wow. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: Seems like it's gone great.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I have a lot of great friends there, and I mean I do love going out and like being able to see music. I would love to live in New York at some point, really, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's great, but it's hard to I feel like it would be hard to move here after your mid twenties somehow, Yes, because you have the quality of life is just so different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, to acclimate with it, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know. It's great. Yeah, I would love to live in a city like Nashville. That's still a city but not too small. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm from Texas. I can't do the heat anymore.

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Speaker 6: Oh it's so hot in Texas. Yeah yeah, what town in Texas?

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Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas.

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Speaker 6: Oh see, yeah, yeah, I don't I think Houston hates me. Dallas likes me.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I don't feel like Dallas likes me really.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I always have a hard time.

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Speaker 6: It's crazy because you're from there.

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Speaker 1: I know, maybe it's too like loaded for me, but I feel like the audience is I'm confused by it. I don't know who my audience is there. I'm sure they're nice people. I just don't I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I like Austin of course, like so fun. Yeah, anytime I go to Texas, I yah, just stay in Austin the whole time, or in like San Antonio and the Hill Country and.

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Speaker 1: All that areas my favorite mine too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you play locally in Nashville ever? Like just two little you know, sneak out gigs or anything like that.

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Speaker 6: I have been recently. I was like, I have got to get back in the local scene here, Like it's so fun to do that. It really is.

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Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity and you're in a town like that, I feel.

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Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I love going to all the little dive bars. There's like Bobby's Idle Hour is kind of like down in like Music Row area, but it's been there forever and it's got just like this local crowd town. It's a towny bar. They're there to listen. They're like really engaged. So I went and kind of like would shopped a couple tunes there. That's finally like six months ago. Where else did I play? Santa's Pub? I don't know if you've ever been there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything.

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Speaker 6: And it's a trailer and it's like decorated like Christmas twenty twenty four, seven, three sixty five, and you can do really karaoke. There's like, my yes, you should, we should go do karaoke next day. You're in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: That would be fun.

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Speaker 6: People flip out, that'd be fun. And then this little bar opened, the Skinny Dentists. That's in Brooklyn. There's one in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, Oh oh, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 6: It's great. It's got a huge dance floor and I've three times just since they've opened in the last couple of months.

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Speaker 1: When there's dancing, there's just something it's just feels old school. Yeah, and it's so rare now, man, I know it's such a lost art.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I feel like people used to meet their partners that way and meet their spouses that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: That's one thing I do love about Texas is that everybody, it seems like people that are very serious about their two stepping, very sare.

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Speaker 1: I've had some good two stepping in Texas, for sure. I don't really know what's open anymore, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Some good nights off.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: You want to try another song, Let's do it?

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Speaker 6: What should we do next?

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Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking I could do this super fun one that I think you just just put it out. Don't let the bastards get you down. This is a good one. Let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for pretty out all my lyrics. Oh yeah, I've been doing this one live a lot, and I have somebody who sings harmonies with me on it, so I have to sing them right. And I've been like, okay, businessman, you know, used to start going through it in your mind, like trying to pound it in there until it becomes just muscle memory exactly.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to this One's so fun. I just wanted to sing harmony on like the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: But do you want to sing any like verses or anything?

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Speaker 1: I could, but I feel like I would almot would rather do a harmony on It is.

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Speaker 6: That cooling anywhere?

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Speaker 14: All right?

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Speaker 1: All right, such a great boy, just gonna go all over. Yeah. All your songs are just they're just so like harmony friendly.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: I have, like have had a band that didn't really like sing a lot of harmony my last band. And I just started working with a new group of musicians after being with the same people for like ten some of them thirteen years. And everybody in this new band or they're like great singers, great, and so it's kind of like a new It's so fun to sing harmonies.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, your band you have like I know when it's Sasha.

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Speaker 1: You know Sasha, Yeah, she said to say, hi, awesome.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you'all have great harmonies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I've always had people in my band who sang, but I've never had dedicated harmony singers. Sasha plays guitar as well and Sammy Stevens plays some keys as well, but they're really like it's super harmony strong right now, which has been so fun.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah. It adds like a whole other element because I feel like, you know, on my records, I'll have harmonies everywhere and they're live. I'll be like someone going to see that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, then the audience gets to Shiman.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy who said, well, Rodney Crass sang on this recording.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's so fun. You can really fire.

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Speaker 6: Him on the all the cocaine in existence. Oh yeah, okay, it was out of my business. You can really hear Rodney's voice good on that.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 6: And then I've got this other guys singing with me who's now in my band, and his name's Logan Ledger, and he's just got a voice like George Jones, Like he's just got one of the best voices ever.

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Speaker 1: That's nice.

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Speaker 6: So I've suckered him into coming in and being like on a bunch of tracks on the record. And then I was like, do you want to be in my band for a while? That's great, So I broke him in.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to change it up. It can be hard, but yeah, it's fun evolving, evolving, it is.

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Speaker 6: Full of changes. Yeah, okays doers.

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Speaker 1: I had to warm up. My hands are like, wait a second, I should be able to play that.

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Speaker 6: I was talking to Jim James about like some stretching some things, because I feel like I always stretch really abrasively and I'm always popping things. And he said that he had somebody that was getting him to do these more like fluid with his hands.

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Speaker 1: Can just picture him.

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Speaker 6: He's doing. But funny, I feel that I've I've had a massage therapist that works specifically on some of these tendons in my arms because it's like, you know, you're holding your body in weird, unnatural positions. You play guitar as well, so I do.

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Speaker 1: But not a lot. And I feel like this tour, I just did the piano. I think I just maybe I'm too stiff or something. Oh my gosh, yeah, I got a little I'm like, whoa, I'm getting old.

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Speaker 6: So piano was your first instrument and when did you start playing it?

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Speaker 1: I actually started playing with Sasha probably after my second record. She booked a pool haul gig and she's like, do you want to learn to play guitar with me, and I said, sure, we would just go play and suck until we got better.

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Speaker 6: That's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's so fun.

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Speaker 6: Piano was my first instrument. But I had this teacher I loved, and then she moved away, and then I got this other teacher and she was like really strict, and I didn't vibe with her as much. And then I picked up the guitar on my own.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I wish I had stuck.

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Speaker 6: With the piano sometimes a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the best when you're a little limited.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know. Yeah, Yeah, it's a good starting instrument for sure. I've been sitting my daughter at it. We put little pieces of tape all over the piano and then you can just remember where the notes are.

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 6: A minor key version of Twinkle Twinkle.

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Speaker 1: The other day we took the tape it.

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Speaker 6: It's like, that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: She's got Okay, let's do this here, all right.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we got it.

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Speaker 4: I got it.

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Speaker 3: I don't let the bastards catch don't sell your heart to.

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Speaker 9: No business man.

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Speaker 15: You sell the bag next time around.

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Speaker 3: Don't let the bastards get you down.

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Speaker 6: There's a hotel, come in my way?

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Speaker 3: What's a never ending highway?

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Speaker 8: I missed my baby's birthday. You're sorry in the worst way.

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Speaker 3: It seems.

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Speaker 14: I'm moments losing for another life to choose it then make you go the distance, telling you.

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Speaker 8: Lose your hown existence. Don't let the bastards get you down. Don't let us sell your heart and see you go.

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Speaker 15: Make sure there's no next time around. Don't let the bastards catch you down. From that moody to Boston in Augustine, the Boston.

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Speaker 11: We ain't about to getting that to those just kidding that.

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Speaker 8: They want to wear ransoms men.

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Speaker 14: They got the backbone them some on them sons, bitches and annoyers.

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Speaker 8: Bitches. Don't let the bastards get you down. Don't let them get you up.

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Speaker 6: And use your crowd.

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Speaker 3: Don't give yourselves a common clowns.

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Speaker 16: Don't let the bastards get you down, big one, when the dreams were come under you wake up back nowhere to poor a pay attention to follow dude dimension just looking down the noses they can bullsh itsels like noses.

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Speaker 3: All the cocaine in existence can.

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Speaker 8: Keep your nose out.

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Speaker 15: Mouths names, don't let the baskeards get you down. Don't sell your part soon, no, businessman, Let's sell the ball next time around.

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Speaker 16: Don't let the baskets catch you down.

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Speaker 6: Keep all the meters under DRIs.

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Speaker 8: Don't let the baskets catch you down.

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Speaker 7: Dead.

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Speaker 8: That's fun, great harmonies.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, come on tour with me.

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Speaker 16: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I think it's my dream to just just like be harmony singer. I love it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's something that I've like had to get better at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not natural for everyone.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, especially not your singing lead typically. But I did enjoy singing like second soprano and alto parts, like in choir in church. Yeah, like school choir, and you know I sang we meached church. I sing in church a bit too. But yeah, what about you, what was your like my gateweight? Yeah, definitely church in the beginning. Yeah, my mom just told me this funny story which I did not know. She said that because I used to get all the solos, I was like five and six, and my mom said to me, she said, it's not because you were a good singer yet, it's because you you enunciated, and she kept giving you the solos and so I went up to her and I told her to stop giving you the soulos.

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Speaker 1: She told me this story last week, and I was like, what, why did you tell her? She said, because I think every parent wants to see their kid in the front doing the solo and she should spread it around. And you were getting a big head.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I funny.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was so funny.

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Speaker 6: Are there videos of you singing?

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Speaker 1: There's a video of me like maybe seven, and it was it was like a program, like a theater. It was a church thing, but it wasn't like a full choir, but I had a solo and there was a microphone hanging from the rafters night it was like, you know, five feet above me. It wasn't It was just kind of a pick it up. And the entire video, I'm like stretching and I'm craning my neck and I'm staring at the microphone because i just want attic cute. Yeah, oh I love that.

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Speaker 6: But but so you went to church growing up and you say, yeah, I sang in church, but like, I also, yeah, sang in choir. And I had the same choir teacher from the age of sixth grade all the way through to scene your years. Wow, And she was incredible. She taught me how to like sight read, and you know, I did jazz choir, I did show choir, and but she did know.

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Speaker 1: She never gave me solos, really she didn't.

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Speaker 6: She and she also wouldn't give me any ensembles or do its because she said my voice did not blend what She's probably right, my voice is very like Fossy.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. And does she come to your shows now?

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Speaker 6: She's she has shared some things. I think she's been like, oh, you know, taught her everything she knows. She was like Judge Judy. She was so mean, that's so funny.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And then I had another My mom got me like a vocal coach. That was we had to drive forty five minutes to get to her. Her name was Sue Clark, and she was even more mean and even more knowledgeable though. She was like taught me like meso soprano, like telling you style singing. Oh wow, yeah she was. She was really great.

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Speaker 1: So you've really done it really?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just loved to sing?

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Speaker 6: I did. Yeah, I just loved it so much. I feel like I tried out for a show choir. In like fourth grade and had to sing some like Christmas song and I was practicing it, and I remember my mom and my grandma like coming in the room and they were like, was that you like you didn't know anything like that. And then from that point on, I was just like always trying. I got my first guitar at like the age of twelve, and I was always making up my own songs and recording them on my my boom box.

00:27:31
Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, that's tapes and stuff. But that's good that you were writing fatterally. Yeah, I didn't really know.

00:27:38
Speaker 6: Right to do that garbage. Yeah, yeah, we start writing, you.

00:27:41
Speaker 1: Got to get the garbage out to get to the good, right, right. I didn't start writing until I was like twenty and I moved to New York. Really yeah, so fun. What were you listening to at that age? It's like what was in your house?

00:27:54
Speaker 6: So yeah, my mother listened to like just kind of like Poper video, you know, whatever, it was like popular at the time. My dad liked oldies, so he always had an unlike classic rock, and then my grandparents loved country music, and so I would hear that like via them, you know. I was into like a lot of rap and stuff when I was like junior high. You know, I wanted to listen to like what.

00:28:25
Speaker 1: Was popular, but I that was the time.

00:28:28
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean I loved Fiona Apple's like record. I remember that coming out when I was in like sixth or seventh grade.

00:28:35
Speaker 1: And also.

00:28:37
Speaker 6: Like Jule's first album, Pieces of You. I really I loved that and loosen to Williams and Gillian Walsh. I remember when your album came out. I was waitressing in Nashville. Oh wow, my first waitressing job, and it would be on all the times. I loved your records too.

00:28:53
Speaker 1: It feels like yesterday. Well you know, it's crazy.

00:28:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, it goes so fast.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: It so fast, that's cool.

00:29:02
Speaker 6: I am grateful that I had like a well rounded kind of musical education. I mean, I just love all the music from like the sixties and the seventies, and I don't know, I often feel that I was born in the wrong time or something.

00:29:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that way.

00:29:19
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, there's like older things. I draw a lot of inspiration from from old things. And even like the nineties, I'm like, I thought it was like shit when we were in it, but I'm like, oh my gosh, music was so much better even back then. It was fun in the early two thousands.

00:29:34
Speaker 1: It's so nostalgic now too. Yeah, Like that's what my husband always plays. And the kids they know it nice. Yeah, they know all this nineties music.

00:29:44
Speaker 6: Like what does he playing for them?

00:29:46
Speaker 1: He plays? I mean, we have our hair metal phase and then we have like the good nineties like reality Bites era type of music. Cool. It's funny what kids gravitate towards when you're playing music all the time at home. Yeah too, It's like.

00:30:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, what you like, they could be a little desensitized. It's a little bit at least my kids can. I think. I'm always trying to play my my son, who's a teenager, like things that I think he'll like. I'm like, you need to check out Ween, Yeah, okay, getn't put on put on white pepper?

00:30:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and does he pretend not to like it and he actually really likes Ween.

00:30:26
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of what else he's into. But my daughter, I feel like she's the one who is just like she's always singing. She's always has a song in her head, and if like we're writing or something, she'll start singing along. To it and she'll suggests song lyrics.

00:30:39
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, happy, happy musical family. Yeah for sure.

00:30:45
Speaker 6: You know, she just learned how to whistle too. Really, she's like whistling all over the house.

00:30:49
Speaker 1: Has she made it to any of the records yet with her whistles?

00:30:53
Speaker 6: Actually? Yes. I was telling you about how my husband got the TASKM three eighty eight like recorder, and he's got this song that she sings on and it's like called Little Bird and it's.

00:31:07
Speaker 1: Just they it's the keyst thing ever.

00:31:09
Speaker 6: That's nice. And she's done some like album art and stuff for us. We're always like, could you make a poster?

00:31:15
Speaker 1: That's great?

00:31:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, she seems to be very creative and yeah, just into all things, all things musical.

00:31:25
Speaker 1: They like having jobs too, I think tasks absolutely, Yeah, put those kids to work. Yeah, we try to get our daughter to sing on some stuff because she's she's actually a really good singer, but she rejects it every time we try. She won't let us make her do it, you know.

00:31:41
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.

00:31:43
Speaker 6: I never want to like push it too much because it's like music for me was like kind of a rebellion, you know, like rather than getting the straight job and just like settling down and having kids and stuff. Right away, I found myself, I don't know, being pulled to this career that everybody told me that I couldn't have or that like wasn't a real job. So with my kids too, I'm like, are they going to rebel and like become accountants? Yeah?

00:32:11
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:14
Speaker 6: We just put my daughter in violin lessons and she's a natural at it. She's so great at it.

00:32:22
Speaker 1: She's got a good year.

00:32:23
Speaker 6: She does the way that she holds it and everything or fingering is really beautiful. And I go and I take alongside her.

00:32:31
Speaker 1: Oh that's fine.

00:32:32
Speaker 6: I've always wanted to play me too.

00:32:34
Speaker 1: I just want to fiddle around country style, you know, Yeah, I just want.

00:32:38
Speaker 6: To do a little song. But she again, it's like I don't want to push her like too much to do it, because I just don't want to make it like a a chore or like a job that feels arduous.

00:32:54
Speaker 1: It's a delicate balance, it is.

00:32:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, she jumped up on stage with me at Red Rocks last summer. Fine danced around, and she keeps saying she's gonna do it again. But yeah, we'll see. Yeah, not actually any like getting into the mic, but she wants to.

00:33:08
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure she's down. Yeah, that's fun. You want to play another song, Yeah, let's do it.

00:33:14
Speaker 6: I'll see her.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: I forgot what I sent over? How about close to You? How long did you guys work on this new record forever?

00:33:21
Speaker 8: Really?

00:33:22
Speaker 6: Yeah? I started writing it like back in two thousand three, and yeah, went in to record it like last summer.

00:33:33
Speaker 1: Wait you said two thousand and three. Yeah, we started thinking some of these songs are are that will wow?

00:33:40
Speaker 6: Yeah, then we went into I was kind of in between like management for a while, and I was trying to just be on my own and like be free. But it's kind of hard, Yeah, the gate the music business when you don't have anybody advocating in there for you. So yeah, it took me a minute to get into the studio. But like Rodney craw was really encouraging when I was like showing him a bunch of the new stuff we were playing, Like him and Emmy we had some kind of song right around and I played Close to You for them and they were like, wow, what a great song. So I was like, okay, I got them in my corner. I'm going to eventually get into the studio and then yeah, we did it like last last June, and just like by the time you get all the little accouterments and like features and things on there, it seems like it takes longer than it should. Sometimes.

00:34:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, the mixing is the real pain ride. Yes, the music can be quick and fun and easy, and then yeah, you just want to change a few things in the mix and balance it at and then all of a sudden it becomes this huge project.

00:34:45
Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, I spent a lot of time mixing. I think in the past I would just kind of be like, oh, you know, you do it. I'll come in and listen a little bit, and like I would definitely, you know, give opinions and thoughts. But like this time, I was in there so much that my ears really like felt fatigued and would like hurt at the end of the day. Like I don't know how engineers do it when they're listening to something for twelve hours, Like it's so hard to explain, but it's like, know your ears like they ache.

00:35:17
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I have to go in at the end and just be like, yeah, change this yeah.

00:35:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a lot. I think this time, I kind of like we kind of lost our minds doing it. My producer Matt Ross Spang and I like, and we were just having so much fun working on it that it was like we almost didn't want it to end.

00:35:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, it's a fun process of.

00:35:37
Speaker 6: Really special this is a really special one. But after a certain point you have to stop or you'll burn the beans.

00:35:44
Speaker 1: Exactly. I always overcook it.

00:35:46
Speaker 6: Yes, we go back, you know, like, oh my god, the first mix.

00:35:49
Speaker 1: Was better, Like what did we do? Exactly? Yeah, and then your engineer was to kill you. Yeah, exactly. I'm taking a painting class right now, and I fin I find that I'm over I I like, go past something that's good every time and I ruin my painting.

00:36:04
Speaker 6: Are you doing? What kind of medium are you doing? Like it's a cryl acrylic.

00:36:07
Speaker 1: It's fine because I'm not trying to be a painter. I just love it. It's so fun.

00:36:11
Speaker 6: But I picked up painting too during the Pandelic. Yeah, it's fun. I've got a bunch of easels and avises and things, but acrylic hard.

00:36:19
Speaker 7: Well.

00:36:20
Speaker 6: I started with some watercolors, which is like so challenging.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: It's really hard.

00:36:24
Speaker 6: And then I tried to do some acrylic and then I ended up I did oil too.

00:36:28
Speaker 1: I did all of them bad.

00:36:30
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think oil might be like the easiest because you can keep changing it and it's justn't quite.

00:36:36
Speaker 1: Justn't dry, but a curlic you can just paint over it. But yeah, it's true, you can't.

00:36:41
Speaker 6: What's your favorite thing painted.

00:36:43
Speaker 1: There's a couple of landscapes I'm into. I did a portrait of my daughter that I like, but I don't think she likes.

00:36:50
Speaker 6: I gotta see it. I don't know.

00:36:53
Speaker 1: I'm just way into it. And I have way too many mediocre, crappy paintings right now in my house, but it's so fun. A lot of them go in the basement. It's fine.

00:37:01
Speaker 6: I know, I have mine all stacked up in my attic. I don't really want to sell any of them because I don't think they're good enough to sell.

00:37:06
Speaker 14: Yeah, but.

00:37:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, I always I love doing it. I've painted a lot of weird things. I've painted, like some trees and some landscapes, but I've also painted, like one of my first paintings was a dead bird. I was like, oh, wow, get a hunter, like, it's.

00:37:22
Speaker 1: Probably interesting by its foot.

00:37:24
Speaker 6: What else did I paint? I painted a picture of a woman swallowing a snake. I don't know, but like I said, they're hiding your little twisty. I like this, Yeah, well how to show.

00:37:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. This lady in my class is painting her this dream she had and it was just such a cool idea.

00:37:44
Speaker 6: What is the dream?

00:37:45
Speaker 8: What was the dream?

00:37:46
Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet. It's still evolving, but that's really there's wolves in a pickup truck. It's pretty cool.

00:37:53
Speaker 6: Nice.

00:37:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really beautiful. I just like the idea of that. Yeah, I know it's kind of scary, and actually I.

00:37:59
Speaker 6: Know I love I've been keeping a dream journal too, where I'm like, I need to be riding some of these things down.

00:38:04
Speaker 1: It's a good idea.

00:38:05
Speaker 6: I had really bizarre dreams when I was pregnant. Really, I don't know if that happened to you, but I don't remember it. I had like one dream I was in the back of a truck on this road that we used to drive on when I was a teenager, and it was called hill Jump Road, and you would like get in the back of the pickup truck. And then some upperclassmen would be like driving you around up down these hills and it was hill jump road. But I looked in the front of a cab and there was a deer. No, it was a horse. Excuse me, a horse was driving the car. It dn't really steer.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: Stressed. That is stressful. You could paint it and then reframe it. Yeah, like you know, like yourself in Charge.

00:38:44
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a King of the Hill episode.

00:38:47
Speaker 1: It also looks like a cartoon that I was seeing.

00:38:50
Speaker 17: Yeah.

00:38:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I can't wait to see this woman's painting. Send it to me too. She's invested. Now, she's really good. I gotta remember where I put my capo.

00:39:01
Speaker 1: It's an A and then F sharp minor, so there it is. Yeah cool, okay, great.

00:39:14
Speaker 9: Too?

00:39:16
Speaker 10: Two?

00:39:20
Speaker 6: Okay, wait, I'm gonna stop. Yeah, I want to make sure it's in tune. And also, do you want to sing a verse on this one?

00:39:26
Speaker 3: Or?

00:39:26
Speaker 10: Yeah?

00:39:26
Speaker 6: Would that be cool? I would love you too?

00:39:28
Speaker 1: Should I do that? I left my phone in a truck stop diner verse?

00:39:31
Speaker 7: Yeah?

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool?

00:39:32
Speaker 6: Awesome?

00:39:33
Speaker 1: Do you want to harmonize it fun?

00:39:35
Speaker 6: Sing? Oh?

00:39:36
Speaker 1: Yeah I can if you want to harmonize all over it. I think I have your freezing okay, pretty close. It's a little out on the piano up here too. I think, no worries at all.

00:39:49
Speaker 6: I just got my piano tuned. In my house, we have a nineteen sixty six Baby Baldwin fun Eadie Graham Baldwin. And it's so humid and.

00:39:58
Speaker 1: Stuff there oh in Nashville. Yeah, so it is right.

00:40:01
Speaker 6: It's like I worry about my guitars all the time. I have like dehumidifiers going.

00:40:05
Speaker 1: But it's better humid, right or no? Then the stuff starts coming undone.

00:40:09
Speaker 6: Yeah right. I think they like it dry for those cars, that's right.

00:40:12
Speaker 1: I always get confused.

00:40:13
Speaker 6: I get confused too.

00:40:14
Speaker 1: I used to have a whole humidity system for my piano and I would always forget to water.

00:40:18
Speaker 11: And I don't know.

00:40:20
Speaker 6: God, Yeah, what is how old?

00:40:21
Speaker 4: Is this?

00:40:22
Speaker 1: This is an old staring myte I think it's from like nineteen thirteen. I'm not great at remembering, but it's really beaut one hundred and plus years old.

00:40:30
Speaker 6: Is this what you tour with? Or this stays here?

00:40:32
Speaker 5: Then?

00:40:32
Speaker 1: I actually tour with Yamaha, which I like a lot, and I've only had this piano on tour for like a year now, so it changes. Yeah, sometimes I'll tour with an upright because I just I love upright. The piano on stage is so big and it blocks you from everybody.

00:40:48
Speaker 6: I hear that.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: I really love it.

00:40:50
Speaker 6: But uprights just sound so cool. I love tac pianos too, I do too. Yeah, so fun.

00:40:57
Speaker 1: You ever played Neil Young's Upright?

00:41:00
Speaker 6: I was just thinking about his upright?

00:41:01
Speaker 7: I love.

00:41:02
Speaker 6: I love it so much, so much it sounds like good you played it.

00:41:05
Speaker 7: I have.

00:41:08
Speaker 1: On my own set, like, but you let you play it?

00:41:11
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:41:11
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's awesome. The Bridge School benefit that they did for a long time. I remember the first time I got to play it for some reason, and then after that, every time I did it, I was like, please let me play Neil's piano.

00:41:24
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's it's so beautiful, so beautifully sonically, it's you just can tell it's the one that he's had.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: It's got, it's got the vibes soun mistakably. Yeah.

00:41:36
Speaker 6: I love him so much too. Okay, so you'll take two, okay, okash, it's a waltz, so oh is it? No, it's not no, it's not.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: Hey, who's playing guitar?

00:41:54
Speaker 6: I think I play some of the guitar. My Husbann does some of the like more like fingerpicky stuff.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: Is he doing the solo stuff?

00:42:05
Speaker 10: Oh?

00:42:05
Speaker 6: So that is my guitar player, Jamie Davis.

00:42:09
Speaker 1: This sounds great.

00:42:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you so much. And then I had Russ Paul play pedal steel.

00:42:14
Speaker 1: He's that's awesome.

00:42:16
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's the one who always says, don't burn the beans.

00:42:23
Speaker 7: Okay. Two three.

00:42:49
Speaker 17: Walked out on my job, drove across the delta.

00:42:54
Speaker 9: I had to be close to you, rolled the windows down, singing to the syndo.

00:43:03
Speaker 8: I had to be close to you.

00:43:09
Speaker 6: I didn't want to hear what my mama would say. I didn't care about.

00:43:15
Speaker 8: To piss some my money away all anew.

00:43:21
Speaker 7: I had to be close to you.

00:43:28
Speaker 18: Left my phone and a truck stopped dying who I had to be close to you. I hogged my home at the Tennessee Board. I had to be close to you, knocked on your door and kissed you home Now, I squeezed you tired and set it out loud one things for so it had to be close to you.

00:44:07
Speaker 8: Close.

00:44:10
Speaker 15: All dins up been also long.

00:44:17
Speaker 8: Close to no side be long.

00:44:29
Speaker 11: Down to the pub, buy a couple lms. Hands been close to you, shot some.

00:44:40
Speaker 8: Darts while already him down.

00:44:43
Speaker 10: Hands been close to you, talked about Heaven, We talked about hell. We played the jukebox while democracy fell.

00:44:59
Speaker 17: Whilst across the floor, I had to be close to you. Paid our tap stumbled outside.

00:45:34
Speaker 8: Had to be close to you.

00:45:39
Speaker 3: Your leather jacket was soaking away.

00:45:44
Speaker 8: I had to be close to you. No one else could understand how you pulling me with your cowless hands.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: Weave fields had.

00:46:02
Speaker 8: To be closed, closed all that azapah so long closed side up long.

00:46:30
Speaker 11: Octun job drove across the delta had to be closed to.

00:46:44
Speaker 6: Fun.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: That's pretty.

00:46:46
Speaker 6: Oh the higher harmony on the chorus, So.

00:46:48
Speaker 1: It's a great harmony. I just ripped it from your album.

00:46:51
Speaker 6: I'm so glad.

00:46:52
Speaker 1: She's so great.

00:46:53
Speaker 6: My fiddle player, Kristen Webber, she's beautiful, such great harmonies.

00:46:57
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, it is a great.

00:47:01
Speaker 6: Yay.

00:47:02
Speaker 1: Can you tell me about your guitar. Yes, yeah, I'm so excited, so glad.

00:47:06
Speaker 6: Yess I just put out this signature J forty five with Gibson.

00:47:12
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, that's awesome.

00:47:15
Speaker 6: Went to the factory in Montana and got to see how they make them and oh my gosh. Yeah, it's really a dream come true. I have a nineteen sixty five Cherry Burst J forty five that I play all the time, and I got it ten years ago when I signed my first album deal and it's been damaged like once while flying, and so it's really nice to have, like we kind of made this so I can take it and it's protected also from I strum quite furiously. I'm gonna double pick. Yeah, So on my on my vintage one, there's like scrapes and scratches, like it doesn't look like trigger, yeah, but it is getting there.

00:48:04
Speaker 1: It's pretty Yeah.

00:48:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's these are like redtail hawks. I always see them when I'm out or kind of that's cool. I want to say my spirit animal. But yeah, they they came up with this whole design. Robbie John's over at Gibson had a lot to do with like the finding the rosewood and coming up with all the details.

00:48:29
Speaker 1: It's great, it's beautiful.

00:48:31
Speaker 6: I'm kind so thrilled. Thank you.

00:48:32
Speaker 1: It's your first signature guitar.

00:48:34
Speaker 6: It is yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been waiting for like three years. Also for this to come to fruition, this would be awesome.

00:48:44
Speaker 10: Yeah it is.

00:48:45
Speaker 6: Yeah. They sent like one model and I like played it and I made some adjustments on the neck.

00:48:49
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:48:50
Speaker 6: I like all different kinds of guitars, but I really like Gibson's because at least like the J forty five that I have, it's got just like a little bit of a thinner neck, easier for small hands.

00:49:00
Speaker 1: Same I have. I'm horrible with names. I'm not a gearhead, but I have a really thick neck. Beautiful old guitar there. What is that, Matt? Is it a J forty five?

00:49:11
Speaker 11: Is that a J.

00:49:14
Speaker 1: You don't know it's old. It's forties. It's like a forties J forty five, but very it's my hands.

00:49:21
Speaker 6: It's just a I can sell that neck.

00:49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a baseball bat. Yeah yeah.

00:49:24
Speaker 6: And then that gut string you have over there, it looks like the next even three times the size.

00:49:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really I love the gut string. Yeah, but I like the sin one next to it.

00:49:33
Speaker 6: It's this one over here.

00:49:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice. Yeah, it's just a center neck, so it doesn't sound as fat, but it's easy.

00:49:40
Speaker 6: Okay, do some little jango licks on there.

00:49:43
Speaker 1: Not quiet same. So the first time I met you was at the Willie Show, Right, was that the first time we met?

00:49:51
Speaker 6: I think it was.

00:49:51
Speaker 1: It was the only time we've really met. Yeah, the Willy Nelson ninetieth Oh.

00:49:56
Speaker 6: My gosh, what a legend.

00:49:58
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just my al tie favorite, I know. But also that was such a special weekend, it wasn't it.

00:50:05
Speaker 6: I think it's my favorite show I've ever played. I really can't think of an artist who brings together more people from different genres, and like I mean, when you see like Snoop Dogg and George Street sharing a trailer, like, where else would that happen?

00:50:23
Speaker 1: Will It felt like a real family. Everybody just came together. And I didn't know a lot of people personally, but it felt like we were all connected.

00:50:33
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, your duet with Chris was really really I was sitting in the audience for that. I was bawling.

00:50:40
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

00:50:41
Speaker 6: And the duet that he did with Roseyne, it was just such an emotion.

00:50:44
Speaker 1: So beautiful. It was a very emotional weekend. I think I was standing next to you and there's a great picture of us with smoke between us.

00:50:53
Speaker 6: I was just telling you, Greg, my public is set on the way over that there's like a photover. I'm like holding a joint and I think it's like singing my face. Smoke is blowing.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: Directly in my face and I'm like I'm looking up and like I'm smelling it and I'm in heaven and it was just so great. Yeah, And when we started to do an off fly away that second night, I think I just started uncontrollably sobbing.

00:51:15
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm I'm just thinking, I know I could see I just yeah, I think.

00:51:20
Speaker 1: I looked over at you and you were crying too, and I was just like, I wasn't even just a tearing up. I was just uncontrollably sobbing and trying to sing it the same.

00:51:29
Speaker 6: Yes, it was tears of joy totally, and just like the gratitude to be able to stand in the same space as absolutely so many of the people on that.

00:51:39
Speaker 1: Stage that night. Yeah, And it was just it was so emotional.

00:51:42
Speaker 6: I mean, oh, I partied so hard that night. When I go back to the sun Summer, well you too a little bit, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:50
Speaker 1: I think you were staying across the way from me and I could see you in your.

00:51:53
Speaker 6: Hotel room and I was like, Hi, I know it was so crazy that I think like Jack Johnson was like above you and you like was waving down.

00:52:01
Speaker 4: I know.

00:52:01
Speaker 1: I mean it was so fun at the hotel.

00:52:04
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, that was That was a weekend I will never forget, like say, yeah, yeah, it was special, very surreal.

00:52:12
Speaker 1: Only Willing can bring us all. It's so true.

00:52:15
Speaker 6: I mean, he's just he's such a pioneer and like the way that he has developed his sound and created something that's like it's so unmistakable. Like when he plays you just you hear his guitar like this Willy. Yeah. I feel like we're saying, sit behind the piano is the same way, like thanks. I've been listening to your records for two decades.

00:52:34
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

00:52:36
Speaker 6: Literally, I remember waitressing and just like your album had come out, had come out, and getting to sit here with you and hear you play. It's like you just have a style that is so uniquely your own things beautiful.

00:52:48
Speaker 1: Well you too. It's so fun to like actually be able to share music with people, and you know, it was fun to see what the Willy thing. But we didn't get to play together, so you finally get to do it.

00:52:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know that was It was a whirlwind of weekend.

00:53:01
Speaker 1: Like I feel like it was long though, you know, there was like the rehearsal day and then it was two nights of the show. Oh my gosh, I felt you know, I got substantial.

00:53:10
Speaker 6: Like talk to Paul Simon, I talked to Keith Richards. They both signed I have a guitar that I have been bringing around and making everybody sign. Who else did I get to talk?

00:53:21
Speaker 1: Oh?

00:53:22
Speaker 6: Beck got a beasting on his hands to the stage and I got it. Brought him like some tobacco and some I was trying to help the stinging go.

00:53:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:53:31
Speaker 1: It was just funny.

00:53:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, like where are you going to find like all these people in the same room.

00:53:35
Speaker 1: Yes, and everybody sounded great. Yeah, it was really fun.

00:53:39
Speaker 6: Yeah. They did a good job, like picking all the songs, and I mean he's got such a catalog to choose from, really hard to decide.

00:53:47
Speaker 1: And both shows were completely different. Yes, you sang a different song each night.

00:53:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like, no repeats, right, what did you do?

00:53:53
Speaker 1: I only repeated the Bobby Bobby Nelson piano.

00:53:56
Speaker 6: Of course you've got to do that down yonder, right, they.

00:53:58
Speaker 1: Wanted me to do another one the second night, but I was just I was like, I really don't want to fuck it up, and you know, I don't really play that fast usually, so I was like, I can do Dan Yonder. Can I just do that both nights? Please?

00:54:10
Speaker 6: It's classic. That's what he opens every show exactly.

00:54:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I didn't remember hearing the other one when I saw Willy with her so many times.

00:54:19
Speaker 6: But yeah, but yeah, did you get a talk to Bobby over the years?

00:54:23
Speaker 10: I did.

00:54:23
Speaker 1: I think the first time, Uh well, I opened for Willy right before my first record came out, and so I got to meet them all then.

00:54:31
Speaker 11: So cool.

00:54:32
Speaker 1: But then I think I played like it his seventieth birthday party. Nice and I know the seventy fifth and eightieth and eighty fifth and I love that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy I played it.

00:54:42
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think if it was his eighty ninth or I can't remember which one it was, but it.

00:54:48
Speaker 1: Was like out of Luck and they had fun. You know, I've never been to Luck. Oh my god, I know, I don't know why.

00:54:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to go out there and play. I know they like do more shows and stuff out there now too, just like not even just Luck, but just they'll do like I think loosen to Williams and like Waxahatchie just like played the show. Oh cool, it's so cool because he they built that whole set for like Redheaded Stranger, and then at the end of the movie they were supposed to burn the town down, but he changed the whole ending because he's like, no, I want to keep this and so like you go there and it's just like there's a bank and there's like a bar and west. Yeah, it's so cool, but is cool.

00:55:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to go. I don't know why I haven't been.

00:55:30
Speaker 6: Absolutely, let's go together next year.

00:55:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to it.

00:55:33
Speaker 6: It's really fun.

00:55:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go.

00:55:35
Speaker 6: It's crazy. There's like cops everywhere because you know, they have to keep it safe, but like everybody's smoking doobies in It's Texas.

00:55:42
Speaker 1: And it's like a lawless city's village, its own thing. They just can't they can't crack down on that.

00:55:49
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:55:50
Speaker 9: Luck.

00:55:50
Speaker 6: I think a couple of the like cops that work there, they actually got married out at Luck and I met out there, so like they're pretty chill.

00:55:58
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. That's great your relationship to country music and the whole genre and the you know, everything that comes with it.

00:56:09
Speaker 4: It.

00:56:09
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like you're in the Willy vein of it, you know whatever that means. But I don't know how you feel about the industry. It's just such a big it's a big it's a big place, it really is.

00:56:24
Speaker 6: And I think, yeah, I think country music it's like so many people try to like own the genre or like say that it's one thing or say that it's the other, but it's actually so many different things. Yeah, and I think, you know, Willy was definitely one of the people paving the way for artists that didn't want to fit inside a small box.

00:56:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I feel like is almost every artist I know. Yeah, but then people get caught up in the business part of it and it becomes something else sometimes. But glad you're not in that.

00:57:02
Speaker 6: Yeah. I definitely have like a love hate relationship with country music and just with Nashville in general. Like I kind of stay on my side of town. I stay in East Nashville, and like it's a thing. Yeah, yeah, I thought so, but I don't know a lot about it. Yeah, it's like the last couple of records I made were like more in the rock, like psychedelic vein, and I think I did need just a little space from like, you know, people always saying like, oh, you're a country singer. You're a country singer. It was like, well, actually I was in a soul band for a bunch of years, and like I sang you know, Italian like opera opera style singing, and I've you know, just I love folk and I love the blues, and like there's just so many different things that become the melting pot of like yeah, you know what you do. So I felt like I needed to get out of it in a way. But and you know, you start getting carried away with like too heavy of you know, jams. It's like a twenty minute go to space.

00:58:08
Speaker 8: No, but maybe you need it.

00:58:09
Speaker 15: It was fun.

00:58:10
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it, you know. I like to get behind the drums too, and like play the drums and yever, but I wanted to get back to the song into like the storytelling and it's it's been nice to put on those like old records like you know, Redhead Stranger and stuff that I just absolutely adore and go back to what I love about country music. Yeah, yeah, there's so much to love absolutely.

00:58:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's funny. It's funny nowadays when you hear somebody say they like country music, you don't know what they're talking about, don't until they explain the artists they like, and they're like, okay, yeah, that's that. And that's maybe a little different from what I was thinking. But you know, it's all good. It's just it's so bad.

00:58:55
Speaker 9: It really is.

00:58:56
Speaker 17: It really is.

00:58:56
Speaker 6: And I try not to judge because at the end of the day, like any artists who is out there like singing their songs and trying to you know, connect with people through music like they're not the enemy. And I think, you know, for a long time, it was just I had a really big chip on my shoulder about a lot of these like bro country dudes. And I guess because some of it seems like inherently misogynistic or like, well.

00:59:21
Speaker 1: That's a whole other thing. Yeah it is. I mean that's yeah, that's okay to be been out of shape vacut.

00:59:27
Speaker 6: Okay, still screw those people that. Yeah, I love like the Americana genre is you know, it used to be called like alt country. Yeah, I remember what did you get classified as like, well.

00:59:42
Speaker 1: People still think of me as a jazz singer because I was in a Blue Note, yeah, which is a jazz label, but and I came from jazz, but my first record kind of had a mix of stuff in it. Absolutely, So people always say that to me, and I don't get offended at it because I love jazz. But yeah, I definitely. I'm like, I wouldn't say that you're.

01:00:02
Speaker 6: Beyond You're beyond just being a jazz musician.

01:00:05
Speaker 13: Yeah.

01:00:06
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and Willing too. It's like he had so much jazz influence totally, but like made it all his made it all his time.

01:00:12
Speaker 7: Yeah.

01:00:13
Speaker 1: I think it's the best compliment when somebody tells you you just sound like you. Yeah, I know, that's what you that's what you strive for. That's right, I think.

01:00:20
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I know I do. I'm still trying to remind myself that all I have to be is me and I don't have to try to fit in any cowboy hat or it's true.

01:00:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you look damn good in a cowboy hat, thank you.

01:00:34
Speaker 6: It's good when you don't want to wash your hair just throw No.

01:00:38
Speaker 1: I mean, you do sound like you, and that's what's great things. Yeah, it's been a real pleasure. I think we should wrap it up with a Willie tune.

01:00:46
Speaker 8: Let's do it.

01:00:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you suggested this one. This is one of my faves that I have never covered. I've I've done a lot of Willy tunes, but never this swim. I love doing these old Redheaded Stranger songs. The best is so good.

01:01:01
Speaker 6: I can't believe it's like the fifty year anniversary. Is that it coming up?

01:01:05
Speaker 4: Oh?

01:01:06
Speaker 1: Wow, it's really so wild, it's amazing.

01:01:10
Speaker 6: All right, Okay, let's do it.

01:01:11
Speaker 1: I love it.

01:01:12
Speaker 6: Oh boy, Okay, so do you want to take the first one and I'll.

01:01:17
Speaker 1: Take the second verse? Sure?

01:01:18
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, yeah, you do the first one, all right.

01:01:22
Speaker 1: You gotta get that food in there.

01:01:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll get a little stumping.

01:01:28
Speaker 14: Yeah.

01:01:30
Speaker 1: I don't even remember how it starts on the sea.

01:01:34
Speaker 14: Yeah.

01:01:48
Speaker 18: Last night I came home and I've.

01:01:53
Speaker 8: I called to my love.

01:01:55
Speaker 19: As ive ta before I'm not and I know no answer, ka, no kisses grieve me, no boys called my lad.

01:02:08
Speaker 9: I couldn't believe it was true, Old Lord, I couldn't believe it was true.

01:02:17
Speaker 6: My still tears.

01:02:20
Speaker 9: I must have bested ten years, and I couldn't.

01:02:23
Speaker 1: Believe it was true.

01:02:48
Speaker 3: My shock was so great I was quivering yere.

01:02:53
Speaker 2: I tried to forgive my can not forget my heartbreak law, it's another man's game.

01:03:03
Speaker 3: Perhaps I will remain. And I couldn't believe the most true Old LORDA couldn't believe the huste.

01:03:18
Speaker 8: Mys few tears.

01:03:20
Speaker 2: I must mage ten ears, and I couldn't please.

01:03:24
Speaker 3: The most shoe, And I couldn't believe it was true.

01:03:49
Speaker 11: Old LORDA couldn't believe it was true.

01:03:55
Speaker 3: My few teas, I must.

01:03:58
Speaker 8: Lage any here.

01:04:00
Speaker 6: Couldn't believe it was.

01:04:05
Speaker 3: Mask o, jeez, I must fish. He couldn't believe it was.

01:04:24
Speaker 1: Nice.

01:04:29
Speaker 7: Nice.

01:04:29
Speaker 11: I love that.

01:04:30
Speaker 3: That was fun.

01:04:31
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so fun to do that live sometimes.

01:04:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was fun. Have you ever done that one?

01:04:35
Speaker 6: I have, it's been a minute.

01:04:37
Speaker 1: I just did.

01:04:38
Speaker 6: Let's see what was the other one, but I just did. I've done hands on the wheel too.

01:04:42
Speaker 1: Oh, that's one of my favorite ones to do.

01:04:45
Speaker 6: When you get to the chorus, it's just like it's crazy how he like does something, and then it's like you just assume it's a willy song until like later you go look it up. I know Fred Rose.

01:04:54
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't even write that one. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

01:04:57
Speaker 6: He owns it and he owns it now.

01:05:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:05:01
Speaker 6: I guess that's like why they used to call it like a cover song, because it would be covering up the original one.

01:05:07
Speaker 1: Interesting, I didn't know that. No, I've never I've never known why they called her that.

01:05:11
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just create like a couple of months ago.

01:05:15
Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of covers?

01:05:17
Speaker 6: You know, I love to write my own songs, but this record that I have coming out, I have a song that a friend of mine wrote. It's called love Me like he used to do, and he like wrote it for me like five years ago. And then I also did a cover of a song called two Stone to Cry that my friend Andrew Combs wrote.

01:05:39
Speaker 1: Okay, but I do like to play covers, like.

01:05:42
Speaker 6: Especially when I'm on tour live, and yeah, I'm like if I'm in a certain city, or if it's like, you know, somebody's birthday, like it's like, oh, it's you know, Dolly's birthday, Let's do a Dolly song something like that. But I think it was Chris Stapleton who told me once a long time He's like, you know, I used to think I had to write everything myself, but he's like, it's okay to cover other people's work.

01:06:07
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah, as long as you you feel like you're singing the truth, I think that's all that matters.

01:06:12
Speaker 6: I really feel like anytime that I learn a song, it's kind of like an insight into how it was written or like, I don't know. I always compare it to like you're you're trying on a suit and then you know how to sew the suit better, or something that's kind of a dorky analogy.

01:06:31
Speaker 1: No, I know what you mean. I feel like doing this podcast is so good for me because I keep learning people's songs and then they'll make it their way in my you know, my knowledge bank totally. Yeah, and eventually I'll probably steal something by accident.

01:06:44
Speaker 6: Yeah you know a way, Yeah, like the nuance of the way that somebody will, like, I don't know, go to a chord that you wouldn't have thought of.

01:06:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. So many people have very specific things they go towards, and you notice patterns and then you realize like, oh, yeah, we all have our little thanks for little quirks. Yeah, yeah, little turns. Well, This was so fun.

01:07:03
Speaker 6: Thank thank you so much for having me.

01:07:06
Speaker 1: Yay, that was great.

01:07:10
Speaker 4: That was amazing.

01:07:11
Speaker 1: She's so fun.

01:07:12
Speaker 4: What a beautiful voice, so strong and like Crystal Clear.

01:07:17
Speaker 1: Yes, and I just want to hang out with her all the time.

01:07:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's sweet.

01:07:21
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. If you want to know the songs from this episode, which I know you do, they were in order. Nowhere is Where from hard Headed Woman, which has just been released Don't let the Bastards Get You Down from hard Headed Women as well, Close to You from hard Headed Woman and I Couldn't Believe It was True, which was written by Eddie Arnold and Wally Fowler. It was originally performed by Eddie Arnold and covered by Willie Nelson on his album Redheaded Stranger that came out in nineteen seventy five.

01:07:49
Speaker 6: One of my faves.

01:07:50
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