Bring Back My Girls with Ts Madison

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Speaker 1: All the stuff that's stacked against me, and I still pushed through with me being black, with me being gay, with me being fat, with me being crashed, with me being loud obnoxious, with me being an ex porn star, or all of this stuff. What you should take from these things is this vision. Don't let nothing stop her.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned, look into this conversation right after he's quick ass.

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Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drop. Today's guests a reality.

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Speaker 2: The king as a trans icon and queer activist, She's been on the big screen. She also collaborated with Beyonce Honey, and now she's hosting Bring Back My Girls on the While Presents Plus streaming app. Yes, I'm talking about my good sis, TS Madison. We get into how we met, how she ended up on the Renaissance album, why she thinks RuPaul is an icon, and who she thinks should have won season twelve of Rue Paul's Drag Race. So, without further ado, let's get into my chat with Ts Madison.

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Speaker 3: Maddie, I need.

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Speaker 2: To give you your flowers before we start this conversation. I am so proud of you, and I want to share a story to my listeners that Maddie has no idea I'm about to say this.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm so nervous. Don't be nervous.

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Speaker 2: Libra says, okay, because we're both libras, which means we're good people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, fine.

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Speaker 3: A few years.

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Speaker 2: Ago I had the pleasure of meeting ts Madison at her home. We were working on a show about real estate and TS Madison was going to appear on the show. Long story short, I knew of her, but I didn't know her and doing the filming process, you know, listen, she's a pro.

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Speaker 3: She did her thing.

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Speaker 2: We were able to really sit down have a conversation and she told me about her dreams, her aspirations, what she wanted to achieve in life. And this is around twenty fifteen. And then I said, keep in touch with me, because I know a star when I see one.

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Speaker 3: And then fast.

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Speaker 2: Forward a few years later, I met her again downtown LA. She just got done going through this very crazy process with the former co host of hers and she was working with a mutual friend of ours and I had another sit down commerce with her and I was like, bitch, I want to work with you.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: Long story short, it didn't happen, but I was always aware that the stars were going to be aligned for you. And I remember telling you like you are going to be a big star one day, and I just want you to know you stay being a good person, don't be mean, don't be messy, be a good girl, and I promise you You're going to achieve everything. And bitch, in twenty and twenty motherfucking two, you are not only starring in movies, You're not only.

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Speaker 3: Working alongside Queen Bee Beyonce.

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Speaker 2: You are hosting a new show with the World of Wonder, and you are just achieving every single thing that your hearts desires.

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to share the story first.

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Speaker 2: Before we get started, because I want people to know your dreams may not come true when you want it right, but it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. And I'm not here to tell people to go to church every day or whatever, but you must, you must have a relationship with God in order to achieve your highest success. Because when you are going through stuff that I went through, Tes Madison went through, and you feel like, God, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Still here, don't forget about me.

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Speaker 2: You can sometimes think like I guess my time has passed and Tes Madison is an example of somebody who was patient and she's now prospering. So I just wanted to say that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Carlos, and listen, we still have work to do you and I still have some work to do, yes, because listen, I'm definitely a needed component to the Housewives of Something. Yes, definitely a needed component. I mean, my credentials are growing by the day of you know, where I stand at in the entertainment business. So you know, it's not like I'm just some random entertainer, you know, ts Madison Honey, you know, Sampled by the Greatest, and I have this the show Bring Back My Girls on World Wild Persons plus World of Wonder has been my family for a very very long time. And I have to say World of Wonder has been an intricate part of my journey because they create such niche content that reaches a mass audience, and people get it when they see World of Wonder productions, you know, people get it like they understand that it's it's eclectic, and it's colorful, and it's loud, live and in color. And I fit, you know, right into that space with our World of Wonder. And I have to say that when we first met each other, World of Wonder was producing selling it in an ato along with you, like you guys are doing it together, y'all, y'all did it together. And they said they slid me into that, like, hey, well, Maddie, you know because you know we want to get you get your foot wet, because you know we're going to try to work on your reality television show then, and that I was supposed to have a reality TV show back then, and you know they were still trying to find it's footing. You guys are on we TV M And that was my first introduction to we TV was through your show selling it in the at L and I met Lauren, I think Lauren was Lauren came out to the house and she sat down on this chair in here and we were talking about Mary Mary. And I was very you know, Carlos, I've always been raw and candid and always been exactly who I am. And she said, I said, yeah, girl, I watched I'm a fan of we TV and I watched Mary Mary and I said, girl, the way y'all doing that storyline with Tina and and she said, well, what do you think about it? I said, do you really want me to tell you what I think about it? And she said yes, And you don't ask TS Madison her real honest opinions about something, because you're gonna get just that. And we left your set. We left from doing this selling it in the ATF and we went I went home, I mean they went home, and World of Wonder call me and it says, Maddie, what did you say? Because we TV wants to give you a show and everything else from there has been it has been magic from there, like you know, it took the process whatever. I've been on a journey for a very long time, and so I have several shows. I have the TS mathsive experience, but I have to bring back my girls. Listen, bring back my girls. I have to tell you how honored I am to be a host on this show because I get the opportunity to sit down with the contestants from from various seasons and from uh the different parts of the franchise. And there's so many different personalities, so many different girls that come in and they and they and I get to moderate and host these panel of girls who are extremely talented, and I'm sitting in the space and god, I hate to say this, but I feel like mother, I feel like I feel like Rue Paul sitting there, like these are Rue Paul's girls, but these are my girls, honey, you know, especially being such a huge factor in the LGBT community, White black, Spanish, like just that's the entire spectrum of the community, and being a figure in that community. And all the girls come in there from UK, Canada, you know, from all the places, from all the franchises, and we're sitting here and they love me and they respect me, and I get to talk about how amazing their season was of the show.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, No, it's beautiful, and it's long over due. And as somebody who loves Rue Paul's Drag Race, huge fan of the shows since the early days of it.

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Speaker 3: Being on logo, honey like and just being.

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Speaker 2: A gay black boy from Detroit, Michigan, knowing Rupe Paul courtesy of his music videos back then, and just seeing what she's been able to accomplish now. So, Honey, I'm a part of the drag Nation and your show is so good.

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Speaker 3: You're in your element.

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Speaker 2: I call a couple of episodes, you are right front and center talking to these queens and even watching episode two when you had which Listen, this may be controversial about I'm going to say it. The season twelve cast to me is the best cast of drag Race history. In my opinion, I love twelve. They had the personality, the look, and seeing you with those girls made me just like I was like this little boy thinking like, bitch, today is Christmas because I'm happy. What we noticed in that episode though, was Jada Essence Hall wasn't there and she was the win of that season.

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Speaker 1: So what happened, Well, you know, we filmed it in front of a live audience at drag Con, and you know, at the time, you know, maybe maybe she maybe her schedule couldn't permit her to attend drag Con. But what I did find is that, you know, we played off of her absence. And when I said, well, since the winner of the season is here, do you think real picked the wrong girl? You know, just to you know, you have to you know, be a little spicy, to add a little spice to it. And every girl, you know, it was just it's just fun. All the girls love each other and they all respect each other. And what was the most honorable thing to me in that situation was remember season twelve, they never had the opportunity to have a reunion. Yeah, they never had a chance to have a reunion because of COVID, and so this was their first time sitting down, you know, with with with with the cast and having a real reunion. And Honey, I was the host of that reunion. I said, okay, yes, yes, I'm standing in for mother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so you were the host of that reunion. But I'm the host of reality for the King Podcast. So I got to ask you the same question. Who do you think should have won season twelve? If you think it wasn't Jada, Oh.

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Speaker 1: God, listen, Mohart was there like uh Haidie and closet like, it's so much talent on that stage and looking at the runway, looking at the looks like looking at how the girl's battle you know that season, I would be it would be hard, it would be hard to pick. So I'm not gonna let the fans claw my eyes out. I'm not getting to that battle, honey. Oh, I'm not about to let them dog me out like that, y'all. No, you already know.

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Speaker 2: No, Listen, Jada Essence Hall deservingly won. She's beautiful, She's talented. I mean she was the start of that season. Gigi Good was an excellent runner up. And I'm gonna be honest and listen, this takes nothing away from Jada. I thought Gigi Good was going to win just based on the you know, she she was never in the bottom two. And I mean when when the bitch did that Madonna imitation and she did a fucking cartwheel to the point.

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Speaker 3: Where Mother Rue even gagged.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, this bitch, Gigi Good, it's so good, She's going to win the damn thing. But Jada one deservingly so. And that was the beauty of season twelve. Was to your point, Haidi and Closet and all these other amazing queens, everybody to me was a star that season. And to see you on your show give them their flowers too. I just think you're so perfect for that. So did Rupe Paul single handedly request that you host this brand new show?

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Speaker 1: You know, I would like to think that Mother a single handedly requested me to host the show, But you know, World of Wonder knows that. You know, the queens know that I'm a staple in the community. Mother knows I'm a staple in the community, you know, because this is why I judge Drag Race too, you know, and when they call me to do Drag Race, I judge judge some you know, just the season sometimes. So you know, it was just that perfect thing. Like the people love to see me with the queens. They love to see me because I'm not a drag queen. I'm a trans woman, but I am into drag. Like you're not a drag queen. You're a gay identified black gay boy, but you're into drag. So you have to know that once again, the drag is not an identity, It's an art form. And so like you know, and you can be pieces of everything and still be involved in drag, you know. And so I love I loved being there, I loved doing the show. I love, you know, being a part of it. And yes, I do think that mother single hand. Yes, yes, yes, because she's the mother I'm the aunt honey, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, I love mother real.

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Speaker 2: And what is so interesting about you know, the Drag Race fans, And we'll get into them and dissected in a second, but Rupe Paul is someone I've always admired because she's always been fearless.

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Speaker 3: And again, I.

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Speaker 2: Grew up in the eighties, and in the eighties, it's not like it was now where I feel like, obviously, it's much more accepting to see a drag queen and to see a female performer or female personator, however you want to call it. She is such a trendsetter. She broke ground, and she's an legend and icon in my eyes. When you are someone of that stature, obviously that comes along with haters, and there's a lot of people who say things like, well, RuPaul don't do much for the black community.

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Speaker 3: RuPaul don't do much X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 2: You're someone who knows her personally, What can you tell the listeners about.

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Speaker 3: RuPaul that we may not know in your relationship with her?

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Let me just say this, okay, and I say this, and I have to stand on this for my even my own self, my existence, her existence, that is her activism, that is her advocacy for her community, for our community. She's a six foot tall black gay man who who grew up in the eighties, who you know, had to fight against racism, who had to fight against her own people not want to accept her as you know, because they see you, you know, doing things with white people. Now you're too you know, now you're too white. You don't do enough for blacks. You do so much for blacks, now now you're pandering to the white folks and all this stuff. Her existence, her presence, her just being, her contribution to society is her winning. She's black, she's gay, she's filmed, she's everything. And she has for numerous obstacles and has gotten through and has created a show a platform that reached back and gave queer people of all races, colors, and creeds and opportunity to come and introduce themselves to the world. That is her activism, that is her advocacy. And she don't have to She don't have to respond to anything. Her show does that, her platform does that. It does people say to me O massaying, well, we well, what do you don't you don't do enough for trans people this and the other make honey. I'm a trans woman existing, I'm a trans woman that's out here fighting for her job, her career. So what you need to do from that? Learn something from this? In the words of Tyre Banks, yes, learn so take pieces of this like I can't take your hand or walk you to the ward and have you drink it. Girl. You know I can't. I can't make you drink. I can lead you there, you can. I'm the example. I'm the example of all the things, all the hardships, all the all the controversy, all the stuff that's stacked against me, and I still pushed.

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Speaker 4: Through with me being black, with me being gay, with me being fat, with me being crashed, with me being loud, obnoxious, with me being an ex.

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Speaker 1: Porn star, all of this stuff. What you should take from these things is this mission. Don't let nothing stop her. Nothing That is my contribution. That is her contribution.

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Speaker 3: Who I hate just a rup but stay tuned for more.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these quick ass. This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. I'm getting so emotional right now because I never heard anyone articulated the way you did when you said her existence is her, AVA can see. I think about Oprah Winfrey. I think about Beyonce, which we'll get to a second. No, Shay, I think about myself, yourself.

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Speaker 1: Come on, hold on, before you even go there, Carlos, I'm just gonna keep it a butck with you. When we were doing the TS Madison Experience on we TV, I mean, I talked to Well the Wonder, who I love immensely, and I explained to them, I need black producers, I need black and brown workers. I need to see black and brown face. I need to see black and brown people here. I did not know how small. I did not know how tight it is. So it took us a second before we even got into production because because they understood that, and they're like massive, We're gonna go ahead. We're gonna find you black and brown people to work so that you can feel comfortable to do your show, so that people can get it, so that you can be around and everybody knows the little nuances and stuff that we don't have to explain because culturally there are differences. And that's not shady or anything. There are cultural differences, and so we need to be able to understand that there were very small producers. Okay, when you look around this world, there's Carlos King. You're at the top of the list for a black producer. You have to pat yourself on the back for that. You're at the top of the list for black producers that have done things. You've given us major television shows, and I want to take my time and say thank you and honor you for that. Some of them shows a little messy, but we needed it.

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Speaker 2: Well, No, I thank you for that. I love you and I appreciate you. And that's why I can relate to what you're saying, because I feel like when you are a black person and you reach a certain level of success and you have a mainstream audience, and you know, listen, through the grace of God and my hard work and my experience, and this podcast has reached many demographics, and I have this mainstream ass podcast and this mainstream career where white women love me and I'm able to achieve things that my brain never thought I could. And it hurts me when people feel like, oh, where you need to do more for the black community, When at the end of the day, I appreciate what you're saying because I have given more opportunities of black people than any other person in unscripted television in the history of reality TV. I have come with so many black people their first executive producer credits. I am somebody who believes that when you are given a chance to walk through a door. Baby, you need to be Harriet Tubman and bring more people on with you to put them in positions.

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Speaker 1: And you can't bring everybody. You can't bring.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, No, you can't, you can't because not get everybody. You got to bring the right people. And that's what I'm even learning now and beyond. They even had to go through that in her career, to the point where Saturday Night Live did a skit a couple of years ago. Listen it's it was funny, but the topic was I mean, the skit was about the day people realized Beyonce was black. And this is after Formation came out, and Beyonce up until that point wasn't doing music that really focused on, you know, what was happening in the world. And you are somebody who is on her renaissance album. Yes, how did that come about to where you're already working with one icon named RuPaul Charles and now you're working with the mother of music Beyonce? Jasell knows Carter like, how did that even happen?

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Speaker 3: Maddie?

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Speaker 1: Well, how it happened was you know, they reached out. You know, George Floyd was murdered and during that time, another trans woman by the name of a Dior was beaten and it happened in the same city the same week, and like nobody was nobody, there was no outrage of it. There was no you know, there was no protest about it, you know, and she was beaten by like a store full of black people. And so I'm like, the spirit told me to go downstairs and just rent. I was angry about George Floyd, and I was also equally as angered about Eana Dior being beaten by all of these people, and like there's nobody outraged about it, And so I needed to make say speak to my people and say, hey, bitch, I'm black, I'm dark skinned, I'm all the shades of black. But I'm also trends at the same time. So when we when we were fighting on the front lines of black skin matters, all of it matters, all of it. We as black people have to we have to be protectors of all of us, not pick and choose which one of us are we going to be, you know, the protectors of her, which one we're gonna fight for, Because at the end of the day, we're all black. What about our black queer people what about our black you know, our black lesbian, gay, like everything that falls under the queer spectrum. What about us? You know, why do we why must we continue to alienate you know, all these people in our community. That's when do we stop being black? Does black stop it being gay? Does black stop it being queer? Does it stop it being trans?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: And so I ranted about it, and they got a hold of it, and like you know, and Beyonce was doing was working on her album during that time. We just didn't know it, and so they reached out to me. I didn't know it was park Wood. I thought it was just a random company that was reaching out to me that wanted to sample my voice. Because they was like, oh my god, this this statement was so powerful, Like if you watch the video, like it's a very powerful video. Because funky Doaneva reached out to me. It was like girl, she said, so you did something when you did this video. And I was like, oh, because you know, Doaneva is real into you know, pro black and stuff like that. And so they reached out to me, they sampled it, they gave me some money. I didn't pay it any attention, and then I was out eating with a friend in La and my friend, who was also a part of the placements of the album, was like, girl, you're gonna gag and I was like, well, girl, what are you talking about? It was that girl they played sampled your voice and stuff, you know the record. They sampled it in Croatia and the people went crazy and I was eating my chicken. I was like, yeah, girl, I was like Okay. Then they came back and I was like Croatia, Like, so they're doing a test audience to like listen to this stuff, like well, what what what is what is it that they like? What is it? You know? And then I started thinking like, well, who is black? Like who would take that piece of that and say black? Like who is who's black? I was like, oh, Kenja Lamar ain't really fighting for no no thinking about no trans people or nothing like that. So then I was like Rihanna, I said, well she did no music, you know. I was like Beyonce, man. So I went back to eating and I was like, this could be Beyonce. And then it just went away because nothing, nothing had happened, you know. Then we fast forward to July of this year and I was I was coming home from uh, Costa Rica. And when I was coming home from Costa Rica, my email was going crazy and it was like massive, we need you clear as we need you to give us lyrics for song two. I was like, well, what is who is what?

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Speaker 2: It's still an anonymous email without the Parkwood dot com address.

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Speaker 1: Well it said park with at the bottom, okay, But I didn't pay it any attention. I wasn't paying attention to it like that until I send it over to my lawyer and my lawyer's like, bitch, this is Beyonce.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: I love that your lawyer said, bitchade girl, are you kidding?

00:27:31
Speaker 1: Why have y'all not responded to this email?

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Speaker 2: And the rest is hitster read. I'm so proud of you because it sort of gives you your your permission and your clearance to to sort of say, in the words of Beyonce, I am.

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Speaker 3: That girl, like I'm that girl.

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Speaker 2: And when you think about your life and you said this earlier, and this is the only reason I'm talking about because you said out your own mouth, because I want to make sure that wasn't being respectful. But you know, you talked about obviously being a porn star at one one point of time, yes. And one thing that I'm a bit advocate for is sometimes in your life you're gonna do things that you know. You get older, you may say, okay, I've done that, but it doesn't it doesn't dictate.

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Speaker 3: It does define me and dictate who I am for the rest of my life.

00:28:24
Speaker 2: And I look at you, a former adult star who is now starring in movies and hosting.

00:28:35
Speaker 3: Doing that time.

00:28:36
Speaker 2: Did you ever think, Maddie, that while you were going through that time in your life being a sex worker, that you would be somebody who has a freaking sample on a Beyonce.

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Speaker 1: Song, a sample on a Beyonce song, a television show in her name, multiple shows, multiple movies, universal pick like. So no, I didn't. I knew that I was going to do something else because my ambitions and my dreams were bigger. I thought I was going to do some huge stuff in the in the adult film industry, like like you know create, you know, big films and the adult in the fielming you know. I was like, Okay, God, this is where I'm at. I'm just going to make the best of it. I'm gonna make the most that I can from it. But I also still had dreams and aspirations outside of that. And because I had dreams and aspirations outside of that, I just continue to work, you know, and social media came became like a It became like a machine for me because people were able to see me outside, see me with my clothes on, and see me outside of that. Like that was survival stuff. Child. I wasn't thinking about, you know. I just needed to survive at the time. This is what The path that I'm on now is the path that I've always wanted to be on, Like I've always wanted to be mean something, not just the star, but mean something, like my presence means something. Me being on that album means something because that statement that I made talking about Iana Dior and talking about George Floyd, that meant something to the world at the time. And for a for a global phenomenon like Beyonce who has resonated and gotten deep down into her blackness to put her voice mess her voice with mine signify the power of what I was saying. And I always knew that I was bigger than just being naked. I just had to be naked at the time to survive. But Honey, when I put those clothes on. Oh that's when, that's when the real power stepped in.

00:30:50
Speaker 3: I love all this, and not only that.

00:30:55
Speaker 2: You just got done starring in a big movie called Ros and I got a chance to see it doing opening weekend because I want to support you and miss Lawrence, because you all are my girls and guys and ladies and everyone.

00:31:11
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen this movie, go see it.

00:31:13
Speaker 2: But but not only is it funny, Maddie, you are funny. You are You're meant to be an actress. And this is no shame because you know I don't lie.

00:31:23
Speaker 3: I just keep my mouth shut if I don't see if I feel differently.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: You have this presence on camera where you drew me in and I thought, and this is not me being shady, I thought you should have had a bigger role because.

00:31:37
Speaker 1: To me, you were just so. I thought I should have had a bigger role too.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: So you didn't say I want to be respectful.

00:31:45
Speaker 1: It's okay, because listen, I love you because this is what you do and I so this is why we love each other. I thought I should have had a bigger role too, but you know I didn't. I didn't need to come in and outshine you. Know whatever, I understood my presence and what I was supposed to do and my place was. And also, you know, I'm also growing as an actor and as an actress because I'm used to being able to freeball. I'm used to reality like, well, I'm able to walk in the door and you know, there's no the only parameters I need to stay in is don't throw a bottle, you know, but you know you have parameters in then, and I had to learn how to you know that this is this person's part, This is their words, this is this is you know, in the reality world, I'm able to free flow. And just like with Bring Back My Girls, I understand that these even though I am a huge personality, these this is these girls time, and this is their time to talk about their experiences on the show, and this is their time to talk about, you know, you know, the ups and downs in their lives and what the show meant to them and how it changed their lives and the dynamics of you know, the way their lives is going. And I interjected here and there, you know, giving pieces of advice and words of encouragement, like, well, you know, one of the girls, we're talking about how she wanted to, you know, hurt herself because she was, you know, experiencing lots of distress from people online. And I said, girl, let me explain something to you. As much of an icon and as much as a figure that you see me, am, I struggle with those things too, because no matter how tough your skin is, there are things that can penetrate if you poke it enough. It will penetrate if you poke it enough. But what you have to understand is that those people that are poking at you, they could not walk a mouth in your shoes. And so lots of times people are poking and stabbing at you because they don't have the courage to be who you are. And so know that you are stronger than those people. And for me to be able to sit there and tell tell, you know, the one of the contestants this on the show at the reunion was a was a magical and magnificent thing for me because I was ministering back to myself, like all the great things that have happened, all the stuff that goes on in my world. People still poke and sometimes it gets through. But bitch, they ain't fucking.

00:34:09
Speaker 3: With me, Oh they ain't.

00:34:10
Speaker 2: They ain't and guys and girls and everyone go see the movie. She's really good in it. And I got two more questions for you. But Billy Eigner did a tweet saying he believes homophobia played a role in people not seeing it and they're not breaking records, right.

00:34:29
Speaker 3: What do you feel about that?

00:34:30
Speaker 2: Because one thing that I will say, and this is me creating shows, and I know what it's like to get a show canceled. I know what it's like to have a show to be a hit. As they create a I'm always like, well, bitch.

00:34:40
Speaker 3: At least one person saw it. I just that's just me.

00:34:45
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that comment about the reason why didn't do as well? Or do you think, bitch, for a first gay movie, it did damn well.

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Speaker 1: I think for the first gay rom com of its kind to premiere from a major motion picture, we were in the we were They didn't do the projected numbers, but we were out of ten movies that was released, we were number four. We were number four out of ten movies that were we were out of the top ten. We were number four. And so when the day is done, growl, we can't we can say that, yes, homophobia does play a lot of part in a lot of things that you know that that are centered around LBGTQ. That makes it, you know, rocky. But at the end of the day, the responsibility lies upon the girls. The girls have to get out and support the girls because we are already in a system where people look at well if they don't, if they're not supporting themselves, how can we expect everybody else to How can we put anything else out nobody? They're not going to watch that. And here's where where we were. We are our own worst enemy. We must know that it's our numbers that count, not there, it's our numbers. This is why when you drop a new show, you might not see me being one of the people that watch it. I'm one of the people that's watching your show because I know that there are this many black producers of television out there, and I know that in order for things to continue to for me as also now an executive producer of things, I need to show up for you so that your neighbors can grow, so that people can show up for me, so that my numbers. I need you to win so that you can continue to open the door for me. They need to look at yours and say, well, Carlos is a black gaming who's created these shows, so it could work. Yes, Yes, we have to show up for each other. We have to show up for each other. And I think that the fault. It's not within the straight community. It's not the straight community's fault because I don't expect no straight bitch to do anything for me. You know, I don't expect them to do a fucking thing for me. My sisters, you better.

00:37:10
Speaker 2: Be there, yes, and be there with her new show, Bring Back My Girls, bitch.

00:37:16
Speaker 3: Oh while, so let them know what it's plus.

00:37:18
Speaker 1: Yes, be there for for Bring Break My Girls on Wild Presents Plus. Honey, download the app. It ain't it ain't. It's not expensive, Honey. You got Netflix. Get the damn Wild Presents Plus because it has it has our content, It has our content. This is for us. Yes, you can. The straits can watch it. That's good if they love you watching it. But girl, this is.

00:37:41
Speaker 3: For us, and it's good and it's good.

00:37:44
Speaker 2: Got a sneak pick of three episodes, and I'm telling y'all it's good and you.

00:37:47
Speaker 3: Better watch it. Watch it.

00:37:49
Speaker 2: So my last question is that I want to play a quick game with you. It's called the fandom question. You and I love reality TV shows and I've had this debate. I'm going to play along with you, but I want to get the Queen Maddie's opinion. Okay, every reality show has fandom, like the fans are intense, right, we love them, but they could be a little intense. So I have three shows, The Real Housewife franchise, The Bachelor franchise, and drag Race franchise.

00:38:30
Speaker 3: Out of those three shows, which fan base is.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: The most intense in the sense of they were rita bitsch for filth.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: Honey, you not going nowhere with the with the games. The drag Race fair will tear you to pieces. The drag Race girls will let you hold it. Okay, you don't want to tell you The drag Race fan they tells mother up. You let mother, don't crown who they want. They be tearing mother up for for months to come. They flow on the inside. What The drag Race fans are almost as deadly as the barb And you know the barbs ain't nothing to be tampera at. It's the barbs, then the beehive, because the beehive is deadly too. But barbs.

00:39:24
Speaker 2: The barbs are are above the beehive in terms of fandom. Baby, so okay, and it's funny, so I agree with you. So it's it's drag race the barbs the beehive than housewives.

00:39:40
Speaker 1: Yes, because housewives they deadly too.

00:39:43
Speaker 3: Oh they are the trust me.

00:39:45
Speaker 1: The housewives are deadly, oh.

00:39:47
Speaker 2: Baby, they go in and and okay, so they.

00:39:51
Speaker 1: Full of because they full of queens too, They full of Queen Sue. But they older queens, you know, the older queen. It's the young girls, you know. Rad Race appeals to a mass audience, and they appeal to an audience of young people, like of all ages, but those young girls. Listen, you put a blade in a young bitch hand and watch you get cut.

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Speaker 2: And on that note, Maddie, thank you for gracing me with your presence. I know you are a very busy girl. Yes, thank you for taking time out to be in reality for the king. And let the let the listeners know where they can find you follow against the partry in my love.

00:40:29
Speaker 1: Listen, I am all things. At the Real test Madicine or just Tis madisone. You'll find me Instagram at the Real Tis Madison, YouTube at the Real Tis Madison, Twitter, Tis the Royal Tis like it's just I'm just tears master everywhere and Carlos, I got a great project idea that me and you need to sit down with World of Wonder and talk about because I need you to get me on b E T Plus. I need some black I got some black stuff that I'm ready to put get together for b ET plus. Honey, that's the visit wow at your boy? Yeah all right, but thanks Maddie girl, I love you.

00:41:10
Speaker 2: I am so happy that I was able to catch up with my good.

00:41:13
Speaker 3: Girl TS Madison.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: She is such a gem and look, I am really proud of her because she really wanted to be the woman that she's become taking over Hollywood, the music industry and look here, Ts Madison, when you get a Parkwood box, bitch, get.

00:41:32
Speaker 3: Beyonce my actress girl, because I want one to child.

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