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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Radio, right, So a couple of big games coming up tonight. You have the Buccaneers against the Lions. The Buccaneers are getting six, the Texans are getting three at the Seahawks. Recapping some of the games, The Broncos game was crazy. I've been watching NFL football for over sixty years and that's one of those where this question will probably be asked on part of the interruption later today. Was that a collapse or was that a comeback? It was a combination. It's hard to have a comeback unless you have a little bit of assistance and bulloy did the Giants help out the Broncos. But a wild finish there and the Broncos pick up the win. Historical comeback, the Colts over the Bolts, and the Colts are real the Dolphins. I said that this was the most must win game of the weekend in the NFL in my opinion, because I thought Mike McDaniel needed to win this. He needed to win it and maybe to keep his job. I don't know if they're going to hold on to him. I don't know if he makes it through the day, but he did hint about making some changes, but this is about a team. And Bill Cower said this postgame. He said, they look disinterested. Boy, you don't want to hear that. You don't want to hear that your team quit or they're disinterested. And here's you know, Hall of Fame coach saying that. And that says a lot about the coach in Miami and about that quarterback. He threw for one hundred yards, he had three interceptions. I mean, that's that's inexcusable. Here is the Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: I find it very offensive to all parties involved. If I'm thinking about having the job, I need to be doing my job.

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Speaker 4: And that's fair.

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Speaker 2: But it's also our job to ask about this because we're seeing you, you know, coaches being fired, whether it's college or the NFL. You're not making it through half the season anymore. People want results, owners want results, fans want results, and you're not even close to being competitive. That's the problem I have. There are certain teams where you go, Okay, I can look at the Giants and go, they played well. They played well enough to win that game. There is at least hope there now are there some questionable calls, yes, but give credit to Denver. I mean they hung in there, they made plays when they needed to. The Giants inexperience showed up. You know, Jackson Dark, you can't, can't, can't throw an interception there late, you cannot. You must pin them back, worst case scenario. But there were so many moments in that game that you can look back and say, I mean, Denver put themselves in that position to be down twenty six to eight. So there is fault in their first three quarters with coaching and playing, but in the fourth quarter you have to have a little little bit of help to have a comeback. All right, Seaton, what's the poll question today?

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Speaker 3: That Giant's tip, by the way, and then the score for the touchdown.

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Speaker 5: That's a crazy play.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the ricochet, that is a crazy play. I mean, the Giants got breaks there.

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Speaker 2: But then even the pass interference that put them down towards the goal line. That wasn't pass interference in my opinion, But there were moments there where it could have gone either way. If Jackson Dark doesn't get in the first try and they have to run the clock a little bit, and then if he scores, Denver doesn't come back to win this game. Also, if your kicker makes two extra points, oh oh, he might not be around this week as well. These are just simple things where and I'm listening to that game on the radio with Bob Poppa, who calls the Giants games, and it was like they didn't even look at it as a foregone conclusion. They're going to make the extra point. They're like, well, he's already missed one, he missed his second one. And then I'm going, uh oh, because all you need is two first downs in your field goal range in today's NFL, but that was wild Patriots, Bears, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers, Niners, Panthers all pickup wins.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: We'll run down the college football at a great weekend in South Bend. That's a big week for Notre Dame because you win and everybody else was losing. In the top twenty five. What other poll questions are you thinking about, Seaton.

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Speaker 3: Well, we like to start Mondays with who had the worst weekend? Okay, that's always a lot of fun, all right, Brewers seem like a fairly obvious one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they weren't in it. I mean, I guess getting embarrassed by getting swept. Yeah, they got swept, and they'll be the trivial pursuit answer of which team did show, Hey, o Tani have the greatest game in the history of the sport against you're a Milwaukee Brewers. I would say the Giants, just because that was devastating. You could see Jackson Dardam, the sidelines just crushed, crushed, and it's not like they had room for error with the coaching staff.

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Speaker 4: But you do have your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Cam Skataboo is going to run like that until he can't run like that anymore. Defense played well and then they didn't play well. So that one to me. What are the other candidates for a worst loss of the weekend?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we have the Brewers, we have the Giants. We can put the Jets in there too. I think you're losing thirteen to six to the Panthers. That's not a great game, and you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to bench your quarterback. You know, I tried to watch. There's certain games where I go, yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 4: I just can't.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying. There's nothing here. I do love the Jets, Helmets, but that's not enough to go Yeah, I'm going to be glued to my TV set. I told you early I thought the Patriots were a playoff team, and the Patriots are a good team. Now. Granted they beat the tight but that was a big win for their head coach, Mike Vrabel.

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Speaker 4: Cam Ward. No bad for that fella.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel bad for him, But then you got to hold onto the football, Like, there's only so much I can feel bad for when you go back to pass. You're supposed to hold on to the football when you throw the pass.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, like, that's exactly why I feel so bad for him, because that's how wrong things are going right now for him.

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Speaker 4: Is that just simple things like that?

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Speaker 3: Mean he's a kid, you know, you'd just like to see I like to see them do better than worse.

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Speaker 4: What other teams are we going to throw in that list? Yeah, Pauline, I'd like.

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Speaker 6: To throw the Raiders in there. Not a lot of people talking about it. They're two and five. They lost thirty one to zero. The Chiefs had thirty first downs, the Raiders had two. It was a complete no show. They were over seven on third down and they came in this year with Gino. Smith was like, oh, you've upgraded a quarterback Ashton Genty. Sure, thing tight end is great, the defensive line is good. They're non threatening.

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Speaker 2: I said, I thought that they were going to be better than the Broncos this year. I thought, with Pete Carroll, Gino play well, Ashton Genty, Max Crosby Bowers, I thought, Okay, you guys can be competitive in the West, and they're not competitive at all. When you get shut out, I mean, that's embarrassing. Look, I didn't think they would beat the Chiefs, but be competitive. That's where as an owner, I would have a problem with the product that's on the field. If we're not competitive, I look right at the head coach. That's on you, and then it starts to trickle down. But the Raiders are not competitive. Yeah, it's a hangover from Thursday. But can we put the Steelers on there?

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Speaker 3: I know it's a Thursday game and then we had Friday, so it's not technically the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Sure that's a bad loss to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, don't mess with Joe Flacco. I mean that's they paid the price.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, mess around find out Flacco Edition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 5: I'll throw LSU football in there for worst loss.

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Speaker 6: The weekend they can't afford when when it's going well, you lose to a semi football school in Vandy, nofense just historically not going the right direction, quietly going the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: I think we might be underrating Vandy to be fair, Yes, however historically yes, LSU Vandy. Yeah, when you're thinking LSU against Vandy, it's like how much are we going to win by? But it feels like, and I've said this at the start of the year, it just doesn't feel like Brian Kelly is embraced there, that he's that they've warmed up to him, and it just feels awkward. Now he's not gonna lose his job, but it just feels awkward. And you're watching that game and Vandy was the better team. And I never thought in my lifetime like there's certain teams that I watched growing up where they were always going to be the something to zero, fifty Ford to nothing, and then all of a sudden, Indiana's back, Vandy is back. These are the teams always on the other end. Missoo, yes, Todd, I don't want to spoil my worst of the weekend, but the Wisconsin Badgers football program, what happened there.

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Speaker 5: They lose to.

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Speaker 4: Iowa thirty seven nothing. Last week they lose.

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Speaker 5: There's another home game, thirty four nothing.

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Speaker 7: Back to back home shutouts, giving up thirty plus plats and that's getting a field goal out of here.

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Speaker 5: I cooked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke Fickel can't hold on to his job there. He can't. And you know what, he was a hot candidate a couple of years ago. It's like, hey man, that could be at Ohio State. And it's like he won't be at Wisconsin much longer. Billy Napier got fired at Florida. Seemed like a foregone conclusion. There'll be a payout there as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have we have Wisconsin on the list. I also put Florida State on the list. Losing to Stanford. That's not great.

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Speaker 2: I watched the game and they are very limited cameras, camera angles, and then you know you're watching, you know, last play, last couple of plays, and Stanford's not very good. That's one of those crazy Wait a minute, they're playing where it's like North Carolina played at cal North Carolina didn't have a good weekend either. And by the way, this is what I don't understand about reality. Shows when they were going to do a documentary or whatever. That docu series was on Hulu with North Carolina football. Then they decide that they don't want to do it with everything going on. No, now is when I want to see it. I want to see the mess I don't want to see you know, when the turkey comes out of the oven. I want to see all the mess in the kitchen there. They're like, no, we don't want to show you that. That's when it's interesting, you know, that's when things get juicy there. Now, I would want to see a documentary on North Carolina football.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: By the way, LSU's next two games A and M in Alabama, Wisconsin's next three games Oregon, Washington, Indiana.

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Speaker 5: That's a sounding mass groning. Maybe not score it till December.

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Speaker 4: It's been bad. It's bad. Let me see if there's anything else.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit more about the significance of show Heyo Toni. I was actually at one of the greatest games turned in by a pitcher hitter in baseball history, and I'll offer that one up as a maybe a comp or consider this show Heyo Tani. What he did Friday Night and then you know you're he's hitting home runs out of Dodgers Stadium.

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 2: I love the sound of when he hits a home run. It's awesome, Well except for if you're the picture Yes Tom.

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Speaker 1: And the reaction to the teammates and they're all like their jaws dropping, like.

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Speaker 5: What did he just do?

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Speaker 2: They're acting like fans. You know, it's not like teammates, it's like Freddie Freeman. He was probably more excited than any fan that was watching this.

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Speaker 2: I was watching Utah in BYU The Holy War with BYU winning once again, RG three was on the call out of Pocket with RG three. Also check out his podcast, RG three joining us. I felt for you guys because you had this atmosphere. You were trying to capture the atmosphere, the sound, the backdrop, everything. I mean, did you feel that like we couldn't understand the crowd noise. You kept talking about this noise, but the atmosphere was unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Dan, It's the best rivalry in all of college sports, and I was honored to be a part of it. With play by play Jason Bennetti and our sideline reporter Alex Atlantis toy. You know a state of Utah that is basically a band of brothers wearing red and wearing blue, and then one day out of the year for the last century, they go to war.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a rivalry that.

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Speaker 8: Splits families, husbands and wives, children and cousins, and then you know, on Sunday they go to church and they're all back singing the same song. So it was really cool to be a part of that. Kalanisi take the head coach for BYU, you know, the loving Samoan and then you got Utah with Kyle Whitningham.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 8: It was an interesting dynamic that was fun to be able to capture the.

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Speaker 2: Worst loss of the weekend NFL or College was turned in by who.

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Speaker 8: Oh my, Yeah, I mean that's easy, Dan, that's the New York Giants. I really feel for New York sports fans right now. It's not pretty. Yankees get booted from the postseason. You got the Jets at oh to seven, they don't even really have a quarterback right now, and then the Giants give up thirty three points in the fourth quarter and find a way to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

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Speaker 2: But the Giants feel hopeful from the standpoint of they did compete. They've got some players. So my takeaway is, yes, that one hurts, but it could be helping you build something here in the near future.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at draft picks, of course, you don't want to have the greatest season of all times, so you can build some more pieces around Jackson Dart. But you got to be careful because you know, you saw where that Brian Banks in the walking to the locker room, you know, talking about just the frustration of what's going on those guys in that locker room have pride and they want to win games this year. The guys aren't looking forward to the next couple of years, like maybe some people in the front office might be, uh if they're even there. But to your point, the positivity from having Jackson Dart play so well and having camp Scattaboo, you know, bring.

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Speaker 5: That type of energy is good.

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Speaker 8: But I think they're going through a process of learning how to win. You know, you see this a lot of times when when changes are made at the quarterback spot, the team is just so used to losing that they find way to lose games that they should win.

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Speaker 5: Dart is a game changer.

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Speaker 8: I knew that when he was at Ole Miss, you know, throwing the football around. But for the Giants, you just can't allow bow Knicks to become Bo Jackson in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you play on a team where you felt like defeat was inevitable in the NFL?

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Speaker 5: Oh, that is a great question.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: I was a part of the team in Cleveland that went one in fifteen, So that year was weird because that was probably one of the closest teams I'd ever been on as far as the camaraderie in the locker room really, but you would they would, we would find ways to lose games. And there's another team that I was on in Washington in twenty fifteen when I didn't play a snap, and that team might have been the most divided team I've ever been on, and we won the division championship.

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Speaker 4: But how do you get divided? What happens?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 8: It's there's it's kind of like the Eagles right now, right they come off of victory, but you can hear aj Brown after he catches the touchdown and these he's like saying to the to the camera, throw me the ball. Like they're winning games, but guys are not necessarily maybe not getting their numbers, they're not feeling like they're getting used the right way. And on that twenty fifteen team, I believe we had Deshaun Jackson, Pierre Garson, Kirk Cousins was the starting quarterback that year, and for whatever reason, there was just dissension in the locker room, and the talent overcame the dissension and we were able to win the championship. Whereas in Cleveland we were close knit, tight, but we just weren't able maybe we were too young. We had like five rookie wide receivers, and you know, we got rid of a lot of our veterans. And it's why it's so difficult to win in the NFL, because they're trying to figure out how to make quarterbacks successful. They're trying to figure out how to make the team successful, and they don't have a perfect recipe for it. But I think it all boils down to identity. That team in Cleveland in twenty sixteen didn't have an identity. That team in Washington in twenty fifteen had an identity. It was just dysfunction, and everyone bought. Everyone bought into the dysfunction, and we found ways to win games. So there's no recipe for it. But I think if you have an identity, that is the start, and the Giants are building that identity. They need to lean into Camp Skataboo and Jackson Dart one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Bill Kawer said that it looked like the Dolphins players were disinterested.

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Speaker 4: Oh now that's not saying you quit, but it's close.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's close.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's semantics, it's a friendlier word.

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Speaker 4: What does disinterested mean to you as a former player?

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Speaker 8: It means that the Miami Dolphins need to blow it all up Dan, they have to fire Mike McDaniel, and I do also believe they have to get rid of to a tongue of Ioloa. And I'm a to a guy. You asked me, this is many shows ago, who would I take? Would I take to a tongue of Ioloa or Justin Herbert? And I'd picked two because his ability to play before the defense and get the ball out in timing and rhythm, and his aggressiveness. But he's known ten interceptions this year, and he's known three interceptions and back to back games. And I do believe Tua himself has lost that locker room. We saw it last week when he came out and called out, you know, the leadership in the building. That wasn't just players, that was leadership holistically in the entire building.

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Speaker 5: And once it starts to creep out like that, for a guy.

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Speaker 8: Like Tua who's always been very cognizant of what he says to the public, that to me means that it's going a lot worse than what we're even seeing. And now it's affecting his play to a level of like coach Kayer said, they're disinterested, they don't want to play. Mike McDaniel does not look like he's having fun right on the sidelines. Yeah, he's not skipping and jumping and wearing the cool glasses anymore. He's got like a hoodie on, like he's trying to hide from somebody. So I don't know what is particularly going on there, but I know they owe to a one for one hundred and forty one million still. But sometimes you just got to reshuffle the deck and just start all over.

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Speaker 2: Talking to RG three, Fox Football analyst, he was on the call for BYU and Utah and you can check out his podcast out of Pocket with RG three, he had these comments, and I know there's pressure when.

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Speaker 4: You're a quarterback of you got to be a leader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some lead by example, some lead by words, some do a combination. It's almost like Rgie or that two of them was trying to be something he wasn't last week. I'm going to be a leader. I'm gonna be honest. I'm going to say these things. I'm calling you know people. But then you go out and you throw three interceptions, correct, and then you throw three interceptions again.

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Speaker 4: Do you think.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to be somebody he's not, and that is this vocal guy because it feels like when he gets in front of a microphone, the microphone always wins.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't.

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Speaker 5: That's a good you.

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Speaker 8: Know, I got to pull on my own experience here, because you know, when you're losing, it is.

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Speaker 5: Really difficult to be that vocal.

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Speaker 8: Leader in front of that microphone and try to hold everybody.

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Speaker 5: In the organization accountable. I went through that.

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Speaker 8: You know, you come off a loss and you say, hey, you know, it all starts with me, I've got to be better and I've got to do this, and then it's like what you say next after that determines how the rest of your week and the rest of your season is going to go.

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Speaker 5: And I made that mistake. So I understand where Tua is at.

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Speaker 8: Because I said that, and then I came back and I said, you know what, the best this do this, and we got to do that and we got it. And your teammates it's like they're looking at you and they're watching it on TV. Their friends are texting them and their families texting them what's going on, and they.

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Speaker 5: Don't they skip the first part.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yep, that you said throwing me and I got it. They go right to hey, man, he said, you catching the ball? He said, y'all not getting open. And I know that feeling. So I always feel for the quarterbacks in those moments because you want to give, you want to you want to motivate you guys.

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Speaker 4: No, but you want to be boring. RGI.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be boring in the press conference, in the locker room. You can be animated, excited, you can do all of that in front of us. Your job is to say something, but not really say anything.

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Speaker 5: And Dan, I learned that.

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Speaker 8: I learned that I just didn't have the one hundred and forty one million dollar contract now.

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Speaker 5: And I think a little bit of that.

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Speaker 8: Comes with when you get that payment, you feel a more of a responsibility to be the catalyst for that leadership.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's where Tua is.

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Speaker 8: He's learning on the job, you know, the mistakes that a lot of guys make early in their career, right in the middle of his career. So I think he needs to watch this episode the Dan Patrick Show and like be boring. It's okay to say, hey, it's on me. I gotta go watch the tape.

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Speaker 5: B Jaalen Hurts.

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Speaker 8: They asked, Jalen Hurts, Awsome, Hey, what differently this week that you didn't do last week?

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Speaker 5: He's like, I don't know, I gotta go watch the tape. Be boring.

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Speaker 8: I'm telling you it works every single time, and your teammates will love you for it because they're all under a microscope in this social media age.

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Speaker 5: And I think TWOA is learning that really quickly.

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Speaker 2: We're also learning quickly about well, it doesn't feel like anybody has great stability as a coach, certainly in college that you know, things change quickly. You'll get SMU overnight, Arizona State overnight, Indiana is back again, Texas Tech, Vandy, and now you get these blue bloods where all of a sudden, you know, Penn State or Florida and Florida State and will move on from you.

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Speaker 4: It just do you get that feeling of I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's survival of the fittest for these coaches trying to hold onto these jobs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, it is.

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Speaker 8: And you know, you make a great point, and I said this three or four years ago. I said that nil on the transfer portal was going to level out college football and what.

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Speaker 5: That means is it's going to be year to year.

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Speaker 8: The days of Alabama and Georgia and all these super teams being able to just run through people every single year and constantly be in the national.

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Speaker 5: Title race is over because their depth is dan.

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Speaker 8: If I'm a quarterback and I know this guy is making I don't know, four or five million dollars and I'm a freshman coming in, or I'm a guy in the portal, I'm not going to that school. In the past, I could go to that school and just beat him out because neither of us were making money and the best guy was going to play well. Now you have situations like last year with dj Uyungalle at Florida State, where they're paying him a bunch of money and everyone with eyes can see.

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Speaker 5: Hey, he's just not playing very well.

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Speaker 8: But guess what, they have to play him because they're paying him so much money. So now you look at the way that everything is going in and these coaches are on a year to year deal where one year they're great, the next year they can be terrible because if you pay the wrong guys, you're out of luck. So I look at these blue bloods and I get why they're struggling, but the boosters don't care. And when they're willing to pay seventy eighty ninety million for you not to coach somewhere, that lets you know how different the landscape is. And Dan, I'm just trying to say, if I can get one of these head coaching jobs and we can make this happen, and I can bring you guys on board, and they can.

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Speaker 5: Just fire us not to work because this is crazy what's going on in.

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Speaker 2: College Footballer, you would not want to be a coach today? You would not want this?

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Speaker 4: Or do you?

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Speaker 8: I think I would love to do it. First, First of all, I love coaching. You have had opportunity to be in overtime and coach these young athletes and seven on seven. But to me, it boils down to your head coach can no longer just be a great play caller. They can't just be a guy that went through the rounds and you know he knows how to do this.

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Speaker 5: You got to be a CEO.

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Speaker 8: It's why Joey McGuire at Texas Tech is such a.

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Speaker 5: Great head coach. He hires the right guys.

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Speaker 8: Shea Wood the defensive coordinator, and Mac Leftwich as offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: These guys are innovative, they're young.

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Speaker 8: They know how to call plays and put their guys in position to be successful. But like you look at Florida for example, I've said this for years now. I think they should hire too. I think they should hire Tim Tebow. If if Tim Tebow goes into any home in Florida, you're telling me that those parents aren't saying yep, sign me up, I'm coming. You got to put a great staff around him, because you.

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Speaker 2: Can't hire somebody that you can't fire Robert, they can fire Tim t Bo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but that's you don't want to do that.

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Speaker 2: It's just like we've seen that, you know, Patrick Ewing at Georgetown, Chris Mallan at Saint John's, Clyde Drexler at Houston.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now going to fire your guy, now.

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Speaker 8: Dan, Do any of those guys give speeches like Tim Tebow? Do any of those guys motivate like Tim Tebow motivates. I'm not saying Tebow would take the job. I'm great friends with Tim. I don't think you take the job. But if I'm Florida, I'm trying to do that because you need that level of exposure.

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Speaker 2: If you ask him about the Florida job I have, and what did he say?

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Speaker 8: His response is, you know, he's not chasing that. That's he's not He's not that, he's not interested at all. He's just not chasing that. And I understand it. You're the favorite son. We saw that with frosst that Nebraska. You don't want to have to fire your guy.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just talking.

00:27:04
Speaker 8: About the overall thought process of teams in college football today. You got to give these young men a reason to want to go there because they can go to seven different schools and still make it to the NFL. Before it was you go to Bama, you going to the league, You go to Georgia, you going to the league, and you're gonna win a national championship.

00:27:20
Speaker 5: It's no longer that way.

00:27:21
Speaker 2: But you got Andrew Luck, who I think is gonna end up coaching Stanford. I mean, he's their general manager. It feels like, you know, as competitive as he is, he's like, I want to get closer to the game.

00:27:32
Speaker 4: I could see him coaching at Stanford.

00:27:34
Speaker 5: Then Andrew's doing it the smart way, right.

00:27:37
Speaker 8: Stanford's not a great team and he's not putting those losses on his record.

00:27:42
Speaker 2: He'll start coaching when they get better.

00:27:46
Speaker 8: Think he's coach and when they're better. Hey, they had Bear Bachmeyer the quarterback at BYU, So that.

00:27:53
Speaker 4: Dude is he's good. He's not afraid, he.

00:27:56
Speaker 5: Is not afraid.

00:27:57
Speaker 8: He's not a freshman four point oh g GPA at Anford before he transferred out.

00:28:01
Speaker 5: The extremely smart young man.

00:28:02
Speaker 8: I've known him for a couple of years now, fearless, and he showed that in the Holy War is pretty impressive.

00:28:06
Speaker 5: His watch and number forty seven, Yeah, you know, you know what that number is.

00:28:11
Speaker 8: He played a running back and middle linebacker when he was young, and he said, and when he switched over to quarterback, he kept the number forty seven because it reminded him of his primitive years. That is an interesting quarterback. That's the guy you want to play for.

00:28:24
Speaker 4: Great to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.

00:28:27
Speaker 5: Appreciate you.

00:28:28
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00:28:43
Speaker 2: Hey, o Tani did some things that even Babe Ruth didn't know. Ron Darling was on the call, the former World Series champ with the metch and broadcasting with TBS in the booth for Friday Night the Pennant clinching victory. Ronnie, you've seen a lot of baseball. Ooh, have you seen anything that compares to what you saw on Friday night.

00:29:05
Speaker 9: I've never seen anything like it. You know, I think that we're used to seeing great things from great athletes, and we always find the words. I found it very difficult to find any words for what happened on Friday night. That's something that I thought might be one hundred years from now. Maybe I didn't know it was, it was present now. It's just it was stuff that you see in Williamsport. You don't see at Dodger Stadium on a Friday night.

00:29:32
Speaker 2: A Little League World Series instead of a playoff. But you know, no other player has this opportunity to pitch and then bat lead off. I mean there's nobody else. Even Babe Ruth didn't do this. He probably batted third in the lineup with the Yankees, but he stopped pitching to just then concentrate on hitting.

00:29:50
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's and you know the pitching and the way you pitched and got people out in those days certainly is a little different than what guys are looking at today. But I remember, I'm old enough that when I was drafted, I remember saying to my agent, I said, what if I don't like who drafts me, why can't I go to Japan and play for a couple of years. I'm twenty years old. It would be a great place to hang out, learn a lot about baseball formative years, and also new culture. And my agent told me that you'd be blackballed from baseball forever. But the one thing he did say, and I'll never forget it, because he said, you know, it's inferior baseball over there. They'll have some pitchers maybe someday come over and make their mark, but the everyday player will never have a place in a Major League baseball. And in my lifetime we have the best player that I've ever seen was born in Japan.

00:30:44
Speaker 2: But you also look at this and you wonder that will this spawn other players who and using your picture as your shortstop and your best player any bats third in the lineup, why haven't we seen more this?

00:30:58
Speaker 4: Paul Schemes was.

00:30:59
Speaker 2: A great hitter in college, And I don't know can you take advantage of that?

00:31:05
Speaker 4: Will teams do that?

00:31:07
Speaker 9: You know? I can only speak from my own experience, because when I hear about other pitchers that were great hitters, I'm always a little skeptical. And only in this sense is that I was a player pitcher myself, and I had great years as a collegiate, and then I started taking a batting practice against major league pitchers and the spin and the velocity and I was, wow, am I out of my league? So even most collegiate collegiate players who are great hitters and pitchers find when they get to the major league level that they're not. So that's what makes it even more remarkable.

00:31:45
Speaker 2: Well, was it more remarkable the pitching or the hitting? If we separate the two that he hits three bombs, but also the pitching, because man, that was some filthy stuff that he was throwing.

00:31:58
Speaker 9: Well, I think if we separated the pitching was remarkable only because he hasn't done a lot of it this year and that he could be two weeks in between throwing in a major league game and produce those kind of results. But the one thing Dan, I will tell you, especially his second and third home run. Are people at Turner. They do such a great job with the pictures in the sound, they could not replicate the sound that second home run made from the booth. It sounded like someone had shot off a cannon. I mean, the sound of the connection between bat and ball. I've never heard that before. And I've heard some great sounds, including some personally offen that ended up going a long way, but I had never in the booth heard something that loud. And you know, we tried to capture it leaving the stadium. And when I was a young player going to Dodger Stadium for the first time, I had people all the time say, well, that's where Stargel hit the ball over the pavilion and I guess kind of like Ted Williams's seat and m Way Park. Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever you want to say. That's great, that's a nice story. And then you see someone do it and you say to yourself that which you thought was impossible is possible.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: I have fallen in love with this sound, and you bring that up, and I would just have Marvin, who gets all of our sound, I'd say, just get me Otani hitting that home there's nobody who sounds that way. You could say I'm gonna play five sounds and I'll go, well, that one's Otani. I don't know if any like Bonds McGuire who, I don't know who you faced that you would go, oh my god. As soon as it hits the bat, you know that it's gone.

00:33:41
Speaker 9: Yeah, there definitely is a different sound for the amazing hitter Barry I faced them early in his career, and there definitely was Ken Griffy Jr. The ball would leave his bat in a specific way, but the thunder which comes off the bat of Atani is just special.

00:33:59
Speaker 4: Explain to me the.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: Dodgers' plan is to let their starters go a little bit further. It seems to be counterintuitive to what everybody else in baseball is doing.

00:34:11
Speaker 9: Well, yes, because they're at a perfect spot. They've done something that very few teams can do, have done, or afford to do, and that is do you need.

00:34:22
Speaker 4: To get a drink of water? Go ahead? Yeah, drink a water.

00:34:24
Speaker 9: Do you mind give me one second?

00:34:26
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead.

00:34:28
Speaker 2: So Ron was on the call that was Friday night with Game four, the TBS lead analyst. He won the World Series back with the Mets in nineteen eighty six.

00:34:37
Speaker 9: All right, I'm sorry about that. That very few teams can do. They got these pictures Snell and Glassnew and others, and they're at a spot where they've only pitched sixty to one hundred innings. So right now in October, they have the most well rested staff with some of the most talented pitchers in baseball performing at their best. And I think that that's why they're asking more of them than you've ever seen in the playoffs. We've had guys before that they get to this point they have two hundred innings or one hundred and eighty five innings. We're talking about guys that you can push for a couple of reasons. One is that they're where they're at innings wise. But two, they've made their money, Dan, and that seems to be a very important thing for especially pitchers in baseball. If they've made their money, I think they're more willing to go that extra mile.

00:35:27
Speaker 4: What do you mean.

00:35:29
Speaker 9: I think that when you get to the postseason and you're dealing with a player or a pitcher that has not gotten his four or five year contract. They're the agent themselves, people around them, the team are hesitant sometimes to push them to a level that they've never been before. But if they've made their money, I feel like they feel confident that they can go and go that extra mile and pitch seven eight innings as opposed to the five or six you see before.

00:36:01
Speaker 2: Blad Guerrero has been hot the entire postseason. I mean, O Tani was hot for one game, but Blad Guerrero I got a walking ryn.

00:36:11
Speaker 9: I'm amazed. We're supposed to be at the smartest point we've ever been in baseball, and sometimes it's really nothing more than throwing all the papers away and everything and charts and all of that and just watching an athlete at his best. I guess we've all been waiting for Junior to get to this point because we knew he had all the talent in the world. But it's and I know you know this better than anyone, when the talent and maturity clash all at the same time, it's one of the most beautiful things to watch in athletes. And that's where he is right now. He just is intelligence about hitting is coupled with his athletic and innate athletic talent, So it's fun to watch it. I'm with you that Seattle would ever challenge him at any point makes no sense to me.

00:37:03
Speaker 2: If I and this is apples and oranges, But if I took the Bill Buckner game, Game six in the World Series, yeah, and put that up against Otani's game Friday Night, crazier game that you think you would never see again, which one would it be?

00:37:22
Speaker 9: Well, I think it would be the Buckner game. To me, I think only because Otani could do it again, and he might do it again in the World Series. It was just the strangest thing with that game because it was built on the Mets coming back in Game six in the NLCS against Bob Nepper three runs down. It was coupled with Dave Henderson leading off that inning with a home run and adding an extra run against Rick Aguilera, who had become one of the great closers in the game. All of that together, no one recovers from that. But because of guys like Gary Carr and Kevin Mitchell and Ray Knight and Mookie Wilson, we had a big thing in one of the playoff games that Bryce terrang the second basement couldn't get out of the way of a pitch or did get out of the way of a pitch for the bases loaded, and if he got hit, they would have tied the game. And I think to myself, I might not have had a career in TV if Mookie Wilson couldn't have got out of the way before he hit that ground ball, and we ended up putting the World Series. So you never know what's kind of transpire.

00:38:28
Speaker 2: It was so strange being there that night and going into the locker room and Keith Hernandez always had a six pack up.

00:38:35
Speaker 4: I think, Michelob, Yeah, Michelob, you got it right.

00:38:38
Speaker 2: And then I went in there and I realized he was in there when the rally was happening, getting undressed, and it was one of those where, I mean, everybody kind of thought this foregone conclusion, but it's still one of those you want to talk about a roar when you guys won that game, That roar chased was incredible. And then I had to go into the Red Sox locker room to interview Bill Buckner right after that.

00:39:07
Speaker 9: I mean, one of the worst things you ever have to do, right anytime you have to go into the loser's locker room, but especially with Bill who's one of the great players, one of the great hitters they have to face. The one thing I will say about that night is in the locker rooms aren't like they are now. The locker rooms are pretty pathetic in those days. And we had that popcorn ceiling, and because of the war, as you were talking about, and the people dancing in the stands, all of the soot and dirt was coming through the popcorn ceiling, and all of us thought, I think as a collective group, this stadium could come down. But I think we're all comfortable. If it's going to come down, this is the best time.

00:39:51
Speaker 2: Who do the Dodgers want to face between these two teams tonight.

00:39:55
Speaker 9: I don't think the Dodgers care who they face. They tell you the truth. I think they're at a point right now where they're extremely confident. Uh They've got five future Hall of famers, if you include the manager on the ball club. They're playing peak with their starting pitching, the relievings coming along, and the lineup is as tough as any of the game. I don't I don't think they fear anyone if they had to face the team maybe Seattle. Because of that way they stay on the West coast, it's a little easier travel.

00:40:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why.

00:40:26
Speaker 2: I so you got Otani, Mookie Kershaw, Freeman, Dave Roberts.

00:40:33
Speaker 9: There you go. That's that's uh, that's their hall of famers at some point. So and then we haven't and we have what if Snell gets his third cim you know there's other other players too.

00:40:45
Speaker 4: I don't know, can three cy youngs? You feel like it.

00:40:49
Speaker 9: It at least gets you in the conversation.

00:40:51
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I don't know anymore. With starting pitching, Yeah exactly.

00:40:56
Speaker 4: I mean it's really hard to go, like, what what gets you in? Is this starter anymore?

00:41:01
Speaker 9: I know we're going to have starters in the near future who are going to have less than one hundred and fifty wins, who are going to be seriously considered. And that's how much the game has changed. In fact, I think the win is going to change. It's going to be a collective decision by some group. I don't know if it's going to be the official scorer that will give it to whoever pitched the best that day. The five innings and all of that I think are going to go by the wayside someday, maybe not in my lifetime, but it's going to go so.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: It'd be open to interpretation from the official score of you get a win and you went two and two thirds.

00:41:38
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, exactly. Well, a starting pitcher could go four and two thirds of scoreless baseball. Everyone else kind of suffers and he gets to win even though he didn't meet our five inning minimum.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: But then, can you look back and look at some of these pitchers who ended up with two hundred and fifty wins? And now do you look at Mike Mussina differently, or you know Bert Weylevin or Tommy John or you know those you know, Kurt Shilling, who should be in the Hall of Fame.

00:42:10
Speaker 4: In my opinion one.

00:42:11
Speaker 9: Hundred percent, I'm a big haul guy. All those guys I look at differently anyways, because they were kind of old school meets the new school. In this format, I think I can find maybe fifty or sixty more wins for myself. We'll have to see.

00:42:27
Speaker 4: Great to talk to you, Ronnie, Thank you for joining us.

00:42:30
Speaker 9: Thanks Dan anytime.

00:42:31
Speaker 4: That's ron Darling.