#408 - Lily Rose On What She Learned About Being An Artist By Listening to The BobbyCast While Working at the Mall + How No One Returned Her Calls Until She Went Viral on TikTok + How She Met Diplo

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Speaker 1: I could have gone to LA, Like I really had thoughts of like, if I'm going to go more in a pop direction artist wise, LA seems like the place to be, But I was like.

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Speaker 2: I want to write country song.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode four oh eight. Lily Rose by the way she kills it on TikTok. Yeah, I knew she was crushing, and I knew Villain blew up and I knew, but I didn't know really how popular she was. I guess I don't just go looking at metrics sometimes unless you write them down for me. But she has almost a million TikTok followers a lot Yeah, Lily Rose music official on TikTok, So, Lily Rose is awesome. Here's our song Villain, I'm gonna saying. We featured this on The Women of By Our Country in April of twenty twenty one, but it blew up. I love the song in my Drinks. We featured this on the National Show too as well. Here you go, oh, let's see him.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 3: And finally, her current single is called Sad in the Summer Don't Be Sad. So so I knew of Lily I I don't want to say I watch her on Instagram because it feels like a creep, But I do. I like Fallow. I like watch what she does. And the first time we met was at the ACMs and we talked about that and I said something to her and I was like, she's not gonna think I'm for real and I'm just a big fan and I am for real. So it's pretty cool. I really like Lily. Yeah, she's like effort lilessly cool. She's like effortlessly normal with us. I mean it's like she just like one of the group. I mean it's the groups. I was three meet you and her, but it's like sometimes there's a whole period where you're, Okay, are they cool? How's this interview going to go? But she just like sat down and it just felt like we were hanging out, which is super cool. So I don't know. I really like her. Her music's awesome. She's out now with Sam Hunt on the summer on the Outskirts tour through like September. Then she goes out with Shanaya. She got new music, more music this year. Yeah, she said that. Okay. Here she has Lily Rose, twenty eight years old from Dunwoodye, Georgia. She had a dad who worked in broadcasting, who sparked, you know, her interest in music. She taught herself guitar at nine years old. She downloaded TikTok and she did Villain and away she went, I'm a big fan. She saw with Big Loud in January of twenty twenty one. Big Loud is where Morgan Wallen, Ernest Hardy, Jake Oinar and That's the Deal episode four oh eight. Here she is Lily Rose. I was when that fire, I guess in Canada and my phone was like air quality bad. All right, there's a fire in Canada. How is that gonna affect me here? I mean it rocked me? And then have you ever been to an allergist?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: But I need to never been to an allergist? Yeah, I thought it was like something on the Rich People did, Yeah, funny thing. I got rich. So then it's like you got to go to an allergist because it's also part of like my doctor's plan.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not allergic to anything like food wise, I'm all good. Yeah sure, So then they start I got rich things fun as a joke. Yeah, no, of course kind of. But anyway, they were digging. They dig holes in your back and then they put all of the things that you could be allergic to in the holes, and.

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Speaker 2: So it's like a lot of hor too.

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Speaker 3: It's like twenty Yeah, it's like they dig out a little hole and then put like rag weed. It's awful Asian pollen. Yeah, and so when am I going to be an Asian experience or pollen? We can chill on that one.

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Speaker 2: You never know you're rich, right, I forgot.

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Speaker 3: I forgot that I'm rich and never been so.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But I came back and had a couple of things. But when but once a year, these allergies hit me so hard that lose my voice completely as a singer, Is there something that you does it happen to you at all on any sort of schedule or what is it for you? That's the hardest about keeping it because we both get paid for our voices.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No. For me, it's just the vocal warm ups.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I never really understood it growing up of why you'd need.

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Speaker 2: A vocal coach.

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Speaker 1: It's like, but I can sing, and it's like it's the same way the athletes need trainers is to just learn how to warm up and cool down correctly and you know, elongate the muscle and all of it. But it's for me in the fall. It's like every fall end up getting sick. And I've never had allergies grown up as a kid. It's just like the last three or four years.

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Speaker 3: And my dad's rich, and then that's what comes with it.

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Speaker 2: We're working on it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, more taxes and allergies always. The vocal exercises are interesting because growing up as you're what age did you start singing where you actually tried, like fifteen, you probably and if you did a little that I would understand that, but you probably didn't have the education on what you needed to do, warming up, making sure you don't scream your voice out up until you know you kind of got here and you really start to be around people that understand. So all these years you just ho hum, ho hum, singing wonderfully but not really taking care of it. But what is crazy about the mind is that I have some friends who never had a vocal injury their whole life. Yea, until they start learning about how they could get vocal injuries, and then they got a vocal injury.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I would play like eighty to one hundred shows of bar sets, so like three and four hours, would never cool down, would never warm up, would drink my way through all of it. We'd take like fifteen minute breaks in between, and it was like I never lost my voice, never came close. Would do Thursday, Friday, Saturday runs. And then now we play thirty minute sets on like a sand hun tour, and I'm like, I can't even I can't even handle this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a mind thing.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's a mind thing. But also I think that you're doing it right as well. Now right because athletes need to stretch. You made a great point. You are a vocal athlete. Yeah, I mean it's a weird thing to say, but it's all mine in a different way. Sure, but yes, but it is probably. I have a friend this has nothing to do with reality. But he was telling me. He was like, I never got poll ups. It never He's like, I've never got pops ever. I've been singing in a high love. I'm not kidding. Like three weeks later, he goes, bro, I got a poll up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kind of.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't believe in the jinks. No, but that is just yeah, as bizarre. I have a ton of polyups. Ye all the time. Enough poll ups.

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Speaker 2: How you been, I've been good man.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, we're just talking about I feel like when CMA Fest hits for us as touring musicians, it's kind of the like, here we go and uh, we're just in that part of the year right now, festivals and craziness.

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Speaker 3: What what is here we go? Because I've had to do CMA Fest from a different level. I used to go and host some things, but then I would also play some things that I was also doing my radio show. For me, here we go ment I hated it. What does here we go mean for an artist who there's a lot of people that are built an audience here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Does that mean no?

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Speaker 1: I mean for me, the performing and the meet and greets are my favorite part of the job.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. So it's just here we go of.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, there' are gonna be long days, but it's cool and that's you know, it's just it's CMA Fest is the start. But then you get to festival season and like we're grinding it out in a van right now, so sleep's not great, but you're with a bunch of people that you love and it's your dream job.

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Speaker 2: So here we Go is a good thing for me. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's the tone of what you say, because if I go, here we go, yeah that sucks. Here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. Yeah, having a blast, Mike, where go? Here we go? Honestly, as I hear we go, God, dang uh So I've been a fan. I mean Villain's. First time I heard it, I was like, dang, literally good. And then I don't know, life just went on. I don't Yeah, we didn't meet or anything. I don't think we met until asc ACMs in Dallas, yep, about a month ago. And so, but I knew you were because when you came up to me, the first thing I said it was, Hey, congratulations on getting married. And it's weird because I never met you, but social mediologically kind of like know somebody at least kind of yeah. And then I start to wonder because I said, Hey, good to meet you, and I hate saying that when i've met someone, so mostly I just say hey, great to see you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned that from you.

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Speaker 1: You said that like on a podcast four years agowt and it's saved my ass.

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Speaker 3: Except I remember saying with you, good to meet you, and then I felt just felt terrible going Have I met her before? Had I met you before? No? Okay, no good. That makes me feel good in that I wasn't a douche there, but I just feel bad that I'm late to the party. Ish. But I was a fan of Villain and I did know about you and I even follow you personally. Right, yeah, so, well, thank you. I don't think I told Mike this. We so you used to listen to this point. Where did you work by the Opry?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So I worked at under Armour an American Eagle at Opry Mills and would work.

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Speaker 4: In the mall.

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Speaker 2: All got it? Yep? God, yeah I would.

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Speaker 1: I worked the four thirty shift, so like I would either work four thirty in the morning to ten thirty and I'd miss y'all show like completely, like my hours were your hours?

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Speaker 2: Four?

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Speaker 3: Or well, hold on, you go to work in the mall at four thirty it's stocking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so I could get out and write at eleven trying to get a pup deal.

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Speaker 3: Still, yeah, that's here you go.

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Speaker 1: Or I would work the ten pm to six am shifts.

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Speaker 3: How did that sleep schedule work? The ten pm to six So would you sleep like four or five hours then try to go right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like I would come home, sleep for two hours, go to the gym, try to write. And I mean I didn't have a pub. I had like no presence on music row at all. But I had those five or six friends that we all wrote with each other and no deals. Mackenzie Carpenter was one of them. She ended up writing Villain with me. But yeah, we do that because we're all working at Starbucks in the mall and trying to get it. But I always tell people like this podcast just taught me of like Dan Smeyers had to steal food at a hotel lobby with Andy Albert, and like everyone's journey is different, and I'm not going to get a deal at twenty four, might be twenty five, might be thirty five, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And also as hard as it is and as lonely as it feels. And I don't mean this in any way but complimentary what you're doing by working those places. That's pretty normal for people. Yeah, because there are two kinds of people that come to this town. People that don't have a lot that want to be a lot, and people that have a whole lot and then have a backup plan and they want to be a lot. But if not, they're cool.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: And the people that have to go hustle, Yeah, they're hustled for a reason. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so you don't know how to do anything else.

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Speaker 3: That's it, and you got to survive. Yeah right. It's not like you got a mommy and Daddy's million dollars sitting there ready to or you wouldn't have to go work in American Eagle. You could literally just sleep all day and then go right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, how do you write true stories for the country music fan base if you haven't gone through anything, you know.

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Speaker 3: I was always a fan of American Eagle more than Abercrombie. Here's why. When I walked into Abercrombie, I felt like they judged me more. Can never afford Abercrombie. Yeah, actually, now Abercrombie is cool again, which they have some nic stuff.

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Speaker 2: Can I wear only Abercromb And now.

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Speaker 3: I wear Abercromby sets too. And first time I went and I told my wife, I was like, I'm way too old and could be in here. She's like, no, no, they've busted them, so they've kind of bound. But there was a span of like ten years, even when I was in high school, that I went in, but I felt way judged. It was a pretty woman. Oh yeah, yeah, I felt like that, but I never went back and did the whole thinghere, I'm gonna buy the whole store. Yeah, So I felt way more judged there than American Eagle. And then sometimes Abercrombie would have ripped up dudes up front, and I just made me feel worse about myself because I wasn't a ripped up dude, and I would be like, well, I don't look like that. I don't want to walk by that ripped up dude. He's gonna look at me and go, you're not ripped up like me. You can't wear these clothes as good as I can. So so I just was off on Abercrombie's American Eagle A plus, did you.

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Speaker 1: Ever watch that documentary on Netflix about all of that? Was like the downfall of Abercrombie of how they just pretty much were only trying to target hot people and we're pretty much on their ads like saying some messed up marketing way of like if you're not hot, you can't wear Abercrombie.

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Speaker 3: Is there enough hot people to sell to?

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Speaker 2: I know?

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Speaker 1: Right, But they ended up like firing the CEO board got like absolutely just cleared and they started over from scratch.

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Speaker 3: Well, they really missed out on thirty Bobby thirty bucks or so over the course of about two years. Right, But that's a big American Eagle guy. So you did that? You said American Egle wor else did you work?

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Speaker 1: It was American Eagle under armour was my main game. And then like American Eagle has that other brand Airy that was in there. It's actually how I met my wife, which is Wild.

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Speaker 3: She shopping in there.

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Speaker 2: No, so she was on the Las Vegas strip.

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Speaker 1: You know they have like the three story Nike stores and like all that they were opening an American Eagle and an Airy. For some reason, they sent it in Vegas and for some reason they sent like their ten person management team to train at Aubrey Mills for two weeks. She was, you know, head of merchandising, and we met, fell in love wild.

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Speaker 3: And how long was she supposed to be there?

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Speaker 2: Two weeks?

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Speaker 3: And did how long from when she got there and you met until you guys actually started like falling for each other or dating or did it happen after she went back?

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Speaker 1: So it was the last night they had been out on Broadway for like nine days in a row, and I was like, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to East Nashville.

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Speaker 3: I'll go take you.

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Speaker 2: No, not on Broadway once.

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Speaker 1: I was like, last night, let's take you do what we do in town, go to five points in East.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Losers for whiskey.

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Speaker 3: Jam. I like, but you must have already been crushing a little bit then if you're asking on night ten, well, like we kind of were.

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Speaker 2: But I was like with the whole crew with like.

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Speaker 3: Everyone got it.

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Speaker 2: So I mean like we kind of were.

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Speaker 1: We think back, we're like, wow, we didn't even really interact while we were working together for ten days, but really hit it off that night. And then she flew back to Vegas and we talked every day, and I flew out there three and a half months later.

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Speaker 2: Rests assist.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, there's a lot of rest Is history there. You flew out there, yep, But then what did you go back and forth? Did she go back and forth? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We did long distance for about another year and a half after that, and then she moved to town. The week before the tornado in our one bedroom apartment, we got hit, had to go to a hotel.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you get hit by the tornado?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean but what like actual damage?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like broken windows and glass snow literally yeah, like we were right there at Von l Rod's and like Germantown, so we got we got hit.

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Speaker 3: After you move here and get hit by a tornado right when you move here.

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Speaker 2: Right when she moves here with the crab.

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Speaker 1: And then we got put in a hotel and then we had to leave the hotel because it was COVID.

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Speaker 2: They shut down the hotel.

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Speaker 1: So we went from long distance two thousand miles away to being in a five hundred square foot broken apartment locked down for COVID.

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Speaker 3: And how did that go?

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Speaker 2: It was great. We're married now, so we ended up enjoying it. It was a good time.

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Speaker 3: Similar ish, I met my wife and we did nothing was I won't say it was nothing, but it was nothing. Yeah, like, hello, how's it going. She was a friend of a friend and so I have a I met her through doing PR but she was from Ocal, not my wife. She was doing pr for me at American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, all my ABC stuff. But she was from Oklahoma, and she was like, Hey, I want to meet my friend. This is Caitlin, And this was just added random thing and she wasn't trying to set us up, but they're both from Oklahoma. I say, Hey, how's it going, And I honestly thought, I'm not even gonna try because at the time, Kitlin was going to grad school in LA but I didn't know that. I thought she was just an LA girl. I don't want anything to do with LA girl, mostly because they want the thing to do with me. So it was one of those where you know, of course, you go ahead and protect yourself by going I don't like you anyway, so I didn't. We talked for a second, but that was it, and for like two months we wouldn't communicate at all, nothing, And then I found her on Instagram. I was like, Hey, I'm coming to town. I'm gonna shoot this other show. Let me know if you're around, we'll hang out. And so we hung out and I was there for a couple nights, went out, you know, like three nights in a rows. Yeah, it was awesome. And then I came back and we did long distance for some months, and then COVID hit and I said, you know, me, being the wildly intelligent guy I am, I said, this COVID thing is gonna last long. You'll be here for the whole week. Yeah, like those things come on. And so she came for like a week and that was it. But she stayed and it was the whole time because as you know, COVID took a while, yep, and so but we were together every day.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's wild.

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Speaker 3: And it was really because I'd never been in a relationship before. I never Toldhibody I loved him before.

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Speaker 2: Ever, neither had my wife. She'd never dated women or been in a relationship first woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So like we had that same thing too, Like those nine days we worked together, neither of us thought anything. Even when I went out that night, I didn't have that thing in the back of my head where I was like, Oh, that girl that I have a crush on that's been there. I was just like, oh, I'm just going out and drinking with these people. And then we finally hit it off on day ten. But she was definitely in denial.

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Speaker 3: Wait as well, so was she but she was was to you? Was she straight?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she like only dated men but never been in a serious relationship.

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Speaker 3: And I had been in sort of relationships but lots of trauma.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But then I never told anybody I loved them. Yeah, And you know, when I said it to her, I meant it, and I probably should have said it even earlier, but it was it was like a boulder that couldn't I don't, Yeah, but then I said it, and then it was just on and it just felt It wasn't like this fairy landed on my shoulder and exploded.

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Speaker 4: It was like, Oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like more than it was some sort of get shocked in the junk by lightning, honestly for sure.

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Speaker 1: And my wife is just very much that way as well. Like she always told her family, You're never going to meet anyone until it's the person I'm marrying.

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Speaker 2: She would always say the dude that I'm gonna marry.

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Speaker 3: So she never took anybody to meet her family.

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Speaker 1: She never said I love you, took anyone to meet her family. She's like the most sure of her self human being that I've ever met, which was why I immediately was so attracted her. And she, uh, yeah, she meant it when she said that.

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Speaker 3: That's really cool. Did you know before she said it to you, because my wife did know that never said it. Yeah, did you know that she had never said it before?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I knew.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it was like that night we went out in East Nashville and everything, and then she flew home. We face timed every day like we fell in love and learned to communicate on the phone with like no touch, and it's like, you know, it's like when you get in a fight with somebody, you hope you can kiss and make up kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And we learned really how.

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Speaker 3: To you're punch them. I literally thought, you're like, when you're in a fight with somebody, you like to punch and strangle them. Got it the other way? I felt that going, Hey.

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Speaker 1: That is my biggest regret in life that I never got in a fight.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm too old.

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Speaker 3: Now, and we'll get to that with me too, go ahead, but.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, so we we did so much communication on face time and everything. I learned every in and out about her more than I would have in a normal relationship where you're seeing somebody every day.

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Speaker 3: Well, because there are no distractions, you know, if you're phoning it, you've got to kind of be dialed in. Yeah, and you got to kind of have a point. It's like even with us talking here, Yeah, I got things I want to know. If the conversation tends to go somewhere else, great, I'm gonna follow it and see where it goes. Yep, same thing there. I can't really get on my phone and just dick around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't just sit on TikTok you know kind of thing in the same room. It's like the only way we're spending time together is actually communicating.

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Speaker 3: And then you went from that to being in COVID where you're just with each other all the time.

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Speaker 2: All the time. And I was working from home.

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Speaker 1: I was working for Warby Parker at that time doing customer service phones and delivering groceries and stuff. So I was like I was home all the time. She got laid off because of the pandemic, so it was a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: So I tell you, she loved you, and were you ever like, hey, when are you going to tell me? When are you going to tell me? No?

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Speaker 1: It was that first night that I finally flew to Las Vegas and we cooked dinner and watching Breakfast Club and I was beating around the bush and she was just like, I love you too, just say it.

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Speaker 2: And I was like.

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Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah, where me? It was like, She's like, are you okay? Are you having a seizure?

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Speaker 1: Little read it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did it. I did a long hang tight.

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Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: How long did you get mar ried?

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Speaker 1: Now? It's been months, two or three months? Yeah, March twenty fifth.

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Speaker 3: How was that was wedding?

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Speaker 2: Best day of our lives.

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Speaker 1: We did it right at the bridge building on the pedestrian bridge right there.

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Speaker 2: That weird roller coaster thing is when you're.

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Speaker 3: Working these jobs, because listen, I've had a ton of jobs too outside of just doing this. But are you doing these jobs going? I'm just doing this until I can make enough not to do it, or are you doing these jobs going? I'm working because I got to pay the bills and hopefully hopefully one day I can just I don't. I don't. The mindset's different for everybody. Are you is it a means to an end?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, it was for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think so many people in my life, including my now in laws. You know, when I met them, they were kind of like, okay, wow, our daughters bringing home not only somebody they love, but.

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Speaker 2: A girl, Like what do you do.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm an artist and a songwriter, but I don't have a deal yet. So I work with the mall and I deliver groceries and all that, and now everyone's kind of like, wow, the hustle. But I think a lot of people judge me of like why are you doing these? These are hard part time jobs. It's not even like it was like, oh, I'm just gonna, you know, drive uber during the day. It was like I had one goal at the time. It was a get a publishing deal because I was like, the way the town works is a pub deal first and then maybe go into a development deal, label deal, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: So I had one one goal and.

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Speaker 1: I was like, how do I make the perfect amount of money while none of it's compromised, Like if you found me on Instagram and you wanted me to come in for a radio show, or Leslie Fram wants me to come in for a meeting or whatever it is. I don't have to call out of work, like I have my days open for whatever opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Very linear thinking. I have them the same way. Yeah, I try to find the best way to go for me to be without anything stumbling in the way. What kind of student were you?

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Speaker 2: Awful?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 1: It's like I have a lot of street smarts, and UH just never could do the academics stuff. I don't know if I have add or ADHD who knows, but uh, I just couldn't concentrate and I just didn't really care.

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Speaker 2: I was that kid.

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Speaker 1: I went to private Catholic high school, but it was like the biggest private school in Georgia, So two hundred and fifty kids in my class, and I was yeah, and I always joke, I was like, I think we had two fifty and I finished like two fifty one.

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Speaker 2: Academics wise, Oka.

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Speaker 3: If you had a private school, why you haven't worked on uh?

00:21:36
Speaker 1: Because my parents knew that I had the hustle thing, and they were just like, go get it kind and I just didn't ask. I probably could have asked for a little bit more, but I uh, I enjoy the hustle. Sometimes I sit here and I like see help wanted, and I still think, Yo.

00:21:51
Speaker 2: Should I apply for that job? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't have to do that anymore.

00:21:54
Speaker 3: I like that. That's you know. And two, it's like all the work that you're putting in now, even if it's not work at your job, but all of the hard work that you're doing, it's also a respect that's being developed in an appreciation that's being developed, and you have a lot in common with a lot of people here. You also can write songs from from a place too. There's just a lot of that that goes into hey, I'm just gonna go here with a bank account and just try to meet people like. I respect that a lot.

00:22:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I appreciate it. It's ah, I enjoy it.

00:22:28
Speaker 1: I think if you don't have some little bit of a chip on your shoulder, you can kind of get lost and a chip and and jaded and everything because I want it too bad.

00:22:36
Speaker 3: That's your chip. I got eighty chips, got a bag of as. Yeah, what what's your chip?

00:22:40
Speaker 1: Now? For me? I I've really learned this in the last like month or two about myself. Is my biggest red flag is that I want it so bad that I get caught up in the comparison game. I get caught up in the ship talk I get and all of it. And uh, sometimes it's to my own detriment, you know, in this town.

00:22:56
Speaker 2: It's a small town. And but my biggest thing.

00:22:59
Speaker 1: And I think back to when I was in high school, it's like, when I want to do something, I will do it. I just never wanted to do the studying in the grades. I ended up with the most attentions and it was in the end of our class academically, but for some reason, like I was the teacher's favorite across the board. Even with those two factors, I think I just always really wanted to put my efforts towards work and athletics and music and relationships.

00:23:24
Speaker 2: Did you play sports, Yeah, soccer and basketball my whole life?

00:23:26
Speaker 3: Or were you best at.

00:23:29
Speaker 2: I got.

00:23:29
Speaker 1: I was like the kid until about eighth or ninth grade, and I just never got faster, So I was good at being slow.

00:23:37
Speaker 2: Towards the end of us.

00:23:37
Speaker 3: You were the kid at though, if you had to pick one, Were you a better soccer player basketball player?

00:23:42
Speaker 2: Basketball? Probably? Yeah, definitely better at basketball. But it was fun. It was hard for me.

00:23:47
Speaker 1: I was always the leading scorer in the league or whatever it is in middle school, and then I didn't get any faster and I kind of started falling behind.

00:23:55
Speaker 2: Had to transfer high schools at one point.

00:23:57
Speaker 3: And did you work hard?

00:23:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was always a first kid in, last kid out.

00:24:01
Speaker 3: I would have bet that.

00:24:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't just couldn't make it work. It didn't click.

00:24:05
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until senior year when I really started adopting the artist thing that I would go and I do like the talent show and then throw my basketball jersey on and kind of have that solace and acceptance that I'm on the bench and I'm like, yeah, but I just did what I'm supposed to do for this.

00:24:21
Speaker 3: When did you start playing music at all or caring to learn music.

00:24:28
Speaker 1: So my cousin, who was like my older brother that lived in Atlanta, we spent so many holidays and weekends with him. He was four years older, and he taught me how to play like drums, piano, guitar. So when I kind of really started showing interest in just rhythm and music, my parents got me a drum set when I was like nine, which I'm so great.

00:24:46
Speaker 3: First instrument was drums yeah, for a nine year old. That sounds like it would be pure torture to live in a house with a nine year old that had drums. It probably was, and got im like an electric heart that couldn't even hear, like here's your first instrument.

00:24:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, here you go.

00:24:58
Speaker 1: But they must have seen something, you know. I was too young to kind of recognize it. But I just grew up in a household where everyone loved music. Like my parents didn't play, but my brother and I both do, all of my cousins do. It's really bizarre. But you know, after dinner, they would let us choose, all right, you each get to choose three songs that we're gonna dance to, because like we just all had this crazy love of music. And they would always let me stay. If you know, there's somebody playing Garth Brooks covers at the Mexican restaurant. I'd be five years old and I was like, can we stay for one more song? And they always said yes. They always just let my musicianship kind of be present, which I'm grateful for. And then started playing guitar when I was twelve, kind of taught myself that. And then this girl, Taylor Swift came along.

00:25:42
Speaker 3: You never heard ever tell me more?

00:25:44
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:25:44
Speaker 1: Right, And she and I are the same age roughly. So when she was like singing about being fifteen in the hallway wanting the senior boy, lol, but uh, I was like, that's me. I'm fifteen in the hallway feeling alone and wanting to date the senior boy and all that stuff.

00:25:59
Speaker 2: So I started writing songs.

00:26:01
Speaker 3: You said, Lol, did you still want to date boys as a senior? No?

00:26:05
Speaker 2: I yeah, you know I went to private Catholics.

00:26:09
Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, you went to a Catholic school. I guess that in the.

00:26:11
Speaker 1: South, like in Atlanta, and I just didn't have I didn't have a clue that I could be myself that early, let alone ever be myself. So yeah, I think I was in straight up denial. But always would you go to college?

00:26:24
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:26:24
Speaker 1: I did for five years in Athens, Georgia for five years, major in life, mined and friendship.

00:26:30
Speaker 3: Baby, So you're a bulldog? You have that, the Georgia bulldog. Yeah, massive, massive sec guy, big arkeetsall. Yeah, congratulations. You guys are awesome and everything that sucks and I hate it and I hate you for that, but I'm gonna get away from that. But so you go to Georgia. Was that the dream? Yeah?

00:26:43
Speaker 1: So I didn't even go to the Georgia. I went to the really small.

00:26:46
Speaker 3: School, went to Athens and went to a different school that wasn't Georgia.

00:26:50
Speaker 1: You could not get into you could not get into the University of Georgia if you lived in Atlanta, especially if you're a private school kid without like a four to one.

00:26:57
Speaker 3: I'm surprised there's another school in Athens.

00:26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, University of North Georgia Nighthawks. Baby, So you go to u n G yep U and G. And the plan was for me to do that for about a year and a half, two years and then transfer to UGA. But I really picked up on the music stuff. And I was also working at Universe, at the University of Georgia in the gym, I had like five jobs.

00:27:21
Speaker 3: You but you worked on campus University Georgia, yep.

00:27:23
Speaker 1: So I was like faculty staff. So I still got the exact same experience.

00:27:26
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but there is some truth to that.

00:27:28
Speaker 4: Ish.

00:27:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're there a lot, you're getting to do a lot of the stuff because a lot of college is just be in there.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Athens is wild.

00:27:36
Speaker 1: So for me to get to be a part of the student Recreation Center and like all of that. Every single day that I ended up working my way up to when the professional staff salary people would leave at five o'clock. I ran the second biggest student union gym in the country. Like that was one of my jobs that I did. So I was extremely immersed in the Bulldog community because I love it so much, But academics wise.

00:28:03
Speaker 2: Not a shot.

00:28:03
Speaker 3: I never went to the University of Arkansas because I couldn't afford it and I had to work, and I always hated that, and I was always embarrassed at that because I'm I'm so proud of it and I've just a big part of my personality. It's my favorite thing in the whole world. Yeah, it's the only consistent thing that I had growing up. Was I knew when the games were and no matter where I lived or who I was living with or where, it was always on. Like that's my consistency and I still hold on to it for that, So I'm so passionate about it and that's why I love it. But I was always so embarrassed cause people would be like, where'd you go to school, am I Well, Luckily I now I can say I'm an alumni because they get me an unrady doctorate. So now people are where do you go to school? It's like Arkansas. I'm alive, but I know, yeah, it's.

00:28:40
Speaker 2: But I'm with you.

00:28:41
Speaker 1: I mean, I truly would run out into the street for the University of Georgia.

00:28:46
Speaker 3: I wish a whole lot of you fans would just go away.

00:28:50
Speaker 2: Hey, my drummers, we picked so.

00:28:52
Speaker 3: But you're not as annoying as Alabama fans. No, and not near annoying as Tennessee fans. No.

00:28:57
Speaker 2: Oh god, they're the worst.

00:28:58
Speaker 3: And maybe because we live in them. And I often say, because I do a sports podcast, I often say, if I don't like your fan base, it's because I'm annoyed that you probably beat us. Probably, I mean that's because.

00:29:09
Speaker 2: Rarely that's how we feel about Alabama all these years.

00:29:12
Speaker 3: Rarely do I go, oh, man, you know, I hate man Kentucky football.

00:29:18
Speaker 2: Arkansas is always hard, so it's.

00:29:20
Speaker 3: Like Kentucky basketball. Maybe I get annoyed hundred percent, but it's always a compliment. When I hate a fan base, I like individuals and that I like individually a lot of Tennessee fans.

00:29:28
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, if there's like more than three, I like to push them off the bridge together as a group.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: They just they think that they're a little bit better than they are right now. I'm glad you guys beat Alabama seeing.

00:29:38
Speaker 3: Rocky Top all the way down because I push you off the bridge.

00:29:40
Speaker 4: Uh.

00:29:41
Speaker 3: Are you playing shows in college?

00:29:43
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:29:44
Speaker 1: So freshman year I started doing open mics and stuff like that where I could play like a.

00:29:49
Speaker 2: Cover in an original.

00:29:50
Speaker 1: And there was this one bar called bores Head that they did it on Wednesdays, and I just kind of chipped my way through of like I would do the Wednesday night open my and then they would offer me, Hey, do you want to do the eleven pm to two am Thursday slot for one hundred dollars?

00:30:06
Speaker 3: Like hell yeah.

00:30:07
Speaker 1: And then it was like, hey do you want to do the Friday And then it turned into like we were kind of the biggest cover band in Athens.

00:30:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: So I eventually, you know, when they're paying me a little bit more, like, you know, two hundred and fifty dollars for a four hour set, but it's after a home game and it's packed and it's wild, You're getting tips and all that.

00:30:26
Speaker 2: It was dope, but I really just want to play my originals.

00:30:29
Speaker 1: I just I always had that thing where I was like, this is dope, and I love being on stage, but I don't want to play other people's songs. So I would also try to rout us and go and play in like coffee shops for hour and a half gigs where we can play you know, hour of originals and thirty minutes of covers. So we got up to about one hundred shows a year through the Southeast that I didn't have management booking agents.

00:30:52
Speaker 3: You're talking about the whole Southeast, like South Carolina, Florida, I mean all.

00:30:55
Speaker 2: That North Carolina. They weren't.

00:30:59
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was definitely like the most word of mouth thing ever.

00:31:04
Speaker 2: But I mean we would maybe be able.

00:31:06
Speaker 1: To put We could sell out shows in Atlanta like Eddie's Attack and Dismissile Bar three hundred cap rooms.

00:31:12
Speaker 3: Were you calling other places in other states being like, hey, we're coming through, do you have or like people hear about you in bar or all email?

00:31:19
Speaker 1: So there was this like it's called it was called Indie on the Move, and it was just a database of clubs and bars throughout the country, and you could kind of put your radius and whatever you wanted to do, and literally just would email. When I moved here, I would sit at Ugly Mugs in East Nashville and spend like eight hours a day emailing places.

00:31:40
Speaker 3: It sounds like what politicians do. Yeah, for a while, I thought, and I still think I will eventually, but I thought I would, even this last selection, go run for governor of Arkansas.

00:31:49
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:31:51
Speaker 3: Oddly, both sides were coming after me, going, hey, come run on our side, Come on our side, because I definitely socially am definitely more of a Democrat when it comes to fiscally, and you know, we could go to all I definitely have super conservative views in ways, but then again, I grew up on welfare and sure, so I just think I'm not in the middle. But I have things that are oddly polar about me on sides. And I grew up in the South and I had guns, but I'm also like, hey, everybody shouldn't have a freaking gun. And people don't understand what the Second Amendment even was. All of that to be said, it was, hey, you're gonna run for office, we'd love you run for office. We got you understand, five to six hours a day you're on the phone asking for money. Yeah, like that's what it is.

00:32:38
Speaker 2: That my cousin does that for a living for DeSantis.

00:32:40
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, she alls and says we need and it's all money.

00:32:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, she flies and you know, does the handshakes and knocks on the doors and.

00:32:48
Speaker 2: It's all wild.

00:32:48
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're just the CEO of yourself, you know, like it doesn't matter how successful you are. I still feel that way now, where my whole team. Everyone in town kind of laughs because it's like if there's an app party, I am there and I will be the last one there because I want to make sure that I just know everybody in town because you never know.

00:33:07
Speaker 2: You got to work for your brand.

00:33:09
Speaker 3: It's definitely like you're running for office.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, relationships, they're so important.

00:33:16
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the Bobby cast.

00:33:28
Speaker 3: Something that I'm not good at that you are, just because I experienced it myself a couple of months ago, is that you're very warm and you're very You'll go up and just be direct and be like what up. Yeah, it's almost scary. I'm like, what did I do. Oh no, and I do. And I really tried. I tried not to be that Nashville person that's like, we should do this, sure, for sure. I hate when people do that.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should write some time, we should write, we should hang out.

00:33:52
Speaker 3: And I remember talking to you and I was like, hey, I'm gonna get you on.

00:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:33:56
Speaker 3: Like And if I would have been me and I would have heard that from me, I'd have been like, Okay, there's just what people say when they see each other at places like this.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: But I actually believed it when you said it good, you know, I meant it. Yeah, And I left.

00:34:06
Speaker 3: Going and I told Mike. I was like, hey, let's try to figure this out. And I was like, I bet you thought I was full of crap.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: Now that's your reputation. You're not gonna you're not gonna say anything.

00:34:14
Speaker 3: You don't want to say a part of it.

00:34:15
Speaker 2: Maybe I know, Hey, it's the good side.

00:34:17
Speaker 3: I respect that.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: I respect that.

00:34:19
Speaker 3: So, okay, when do you move here? And why do you move here? What was the what was that? Yeah?

00:34:23
Speaker 1: So i'd you know, been in Athens for it was about four and a half years, and there was no sights of graduating at all, and I wanted to drop out since sophomore year. My dad and mom were both like, no, you got to stay in school, but we'll support you. Going to do the music thing and all that. I was working all those jobs and I looked at my dad and I was like, I'm going to Nashville. I really wanted to go to Belmont my freshman year and.

00:34:47
Speaker 3: My dad study music.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my dad was like, you're not.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: We're not paying all this money for you to go learn how to be on stage and write a song. Go to Athens plenty of plenty of music things to do there and figure it out. And I'm so grateful for that, because I thought I learned I would have learned so much at Belmont and the connections and relationships are just unmatched music business wise.

00:35:08
Speaker 2: But I learned how to be on stage.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: I learned what it was going to be like if my tuner goes out in the middle of a big song, and how to run ableton and how to be a boss on the road, and all of that that I would have never gotten if I had moved directly here.

00:35:21
Speaker 3: You moved to Nashville twenty seventeen. Got to meet really right, really Yeah, when was the pandemic? What year was that?

00:35:28
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty?

00:35:31
Speaker 3: My I don't know what years are what anymore? I'm not I'm sure what year I was born anymore. I was like, when was the pandemic? Okay, what year was I born? So okay, see you at least have a couple of few years here. Yeah, you get here. Does it just seem the word is not impossible? Does it seem just like it's so deep that it's just going to be so hard to finally get to the surface. Yeah, especially if you don't know anybody.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody when I moved up here.

00:35:59
Speaker 1: I had one friend who now ends up running all of like riserhouses and our Kirby Smith. But she was awesome. It would always take me out for lunch and answer my questions. But I just I don't know if I just wasn't there yet. Songwriting wise, I'd never co written ever in my life. I always wrote one hundred percent of my stuff. And I was sitting there and I was always just trying to write and be the next this, and I was like, oh, this song, I'm so inspired by that Ben Rector song. Let me go try to write one just like it, or Bruce Springsteen or Katy Perry, Maroon Five, like all these influences. And then I started co writing when I finally gained a little bit of a community here and I was like, oh my gosh, this is my stuff. Like I feel like I'm writing Lily Rose for the first time. And again, I didn't really have a genre.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: I still don't think that I do.

00:36:49
Speaker 1: I definitely have twang in my voice and country and storytelling, but I definitely didn't have a genre back then. And when we were writing all these songs, I was like, this is country music. I'm supposed to be an artist and country people that you mentioned Rector, yeah, Springsteen, Katy Perry, and like need to Breathe was huge.

00:37:07
Speaker 3: Are those all artists? Are they random as it came to your head? Or like who's your mount rushmore of I'm not gonna say favorite to listen to, but like people that you think kind of shaped you as an artist.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: Springsteen for sure, Katy Perry for sure, I would say, Maroon five, and then yeah, probably Rector it's probably been or Need to Breathe would be in that last slot of the the show. I always loved their shows.

00:37:32
Speaker 3: I would go see them all the time you met Ben No terrible guy. Yeah, I've heard just he will turn your back, he will steal.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: Your wall, cannot play the piano, awful, he.

00:37:44
Speaker 3: Has not sincere she has a terrible dude.

00:37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a.

00:37:48
Speaker 1: Big, big fan. I think I've seen him eleven twelve times.

00:37:53
Speaker 3: He's like literally on my dearest friends. Yeah, he's the greatest. Yeah, no, I've I bet and he does the greatest shows and he's the most dude.

00:38:01
Speaker 2: The only time I ever paid for VIP.

00:38:03
Speaker 3: You paid for VP director. Yeah, that's hilarious.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: Because I was just dying to see and do his Q and A with people, and I always thought he was so kind. I was in the middle of making my first EP at the time, too, and it's not a lot of times that you get to shake somebody's hand and be like, hey, I'm making my first record ever, and you've been a huge influence for me. And it's always kind of taught me when I'm doing my VIPs now to really make sure you're just intentional with every single person in line.

00:38:29
Speaker 2: You know.

00:38:29
Speaker 3: You know, well, he probably stole all his music anyway, I ripped it all off.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: That man is independent.

00:38:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's killing it. Yeah, it's awesome. So you're figuring out who you are. And again, you didn't have a genre, but Nashville you can kind of come to just because the just the guts of this town's music. Of course it's country, yeah, but it's more than that because the satan writers are here, the studios are here, the pup So I feel like your country. I just wouldn't have ever thought you weren't. Yeah.

00:39:01
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up listening to country like my parents didn't, and none of my friend's parents did either. But seventh grade, somebody put on I Go Back on a boombox in my backyard and I was like.

00:39:12
Speaker 2: What is that?

00:39:14
Speaker 3: But that's also okay. Who I really don't like are the people that are well if you didn't know, if you can't, you know, differentiate Merle from Whalen, And it's like, that is not fair, Yeah, because you're cutting out such a wonderfully talented group of people that have the same fundamental country storytelling we I donould say country, but like storytelling sensibilities. I mean, you just happen to be from the southeast, but heck, you could have been from southern California. But it's all an understanding and how you're doing the art more than anything else.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: Hundred percent.

00:39:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean sometimes, you know, when I first when Villain exploded and I was really starting to do these interviews and press the stuff like that, I would get so nervous when people rapid fire questions you could have any genre or any era of country music, what would it be? And I was like, Ah, should I just be fake and say the nineties? And I'm like, you want to know what, screw it? The Rascal Flats era. I am like five to twenty eleven.

00:40:16
Speaker 3: And that's honestly the most fun answer to get whenever you're an interviewer talking to somebody. Yeah, and I've made jokes about how people have to be like, oh, you know Cash. Now. Luckily for me, I grew up in Arkansas and Johnny Cash was from Arkansas. My grandma was obsessed with him. So I had all that forced on me. Yeah, had, and I had forced on me. I probablyouldn't have found it right. So I don't think that there's a difference really in you hearing I go back in seventh grade and my grandma going you have to listen to Johnny Cash because he's like Gus, he's from Arkansas. No difference.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: I don't think there is either.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited when people tell me I never liked country music and then I heard you and I'm in and it was like my gateway. And I think Morgan does that for the genre the best right now for everyone. But it's like, what is the difference of you know, everyone has, whether it's your grandma's playing it for you.

00:41:03
Speaker 3: And I got a bit I mentioned this maybe one of the last two. I got a bit that I do in my stand up act that I talk about how people make fun of well, I ain't country. Well, then the only things that are country are artists of color from Africa that brought the banjo over or Europeans that brought the fiddle. Yeah, like that's lid to really. Yeah, none of that's the genesis of country music. That's where the banjo comes from in the Southeast. Was slaves coming a from the slave ship. Yeah, so it's somebody it's like, well, I ain't overalls and chewing on a straw. I'm talking about a truck that I ain't. It's like you have your the most uneducated people are the ones that say that.

00:41:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's there's a lot of truth in country music that doesn't have to revolve.

00:41:40
Speaker 3: Around absolutely trucks. It really fires me up. Yeah, I'm talking about me too, just and I you know, country, I was not a cowboy. I was more of a hillbilly. Yeah, some would say a redneck even at times, just from where I was. And so yeah, I never wore a cowboy. I won't wear a cowboy hea now because I'm a cowboy and I don't want to leave him act like I was a cowboy ever. But when I first moved here, but because I had done pop and hip hop and sports and alternative, and it's like, well, you're not country, I'm like, bro, wy, don't you come to the trailer park in Arkansas? Yeah, tell me what I ain't you know, we're all so yeah, I hate that for you. That not just for you, but you, the understood you of people that are super talented, have a voice, an authentic message, and then you're told what you are and what you aren't.

00:42:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like and if you look at it, I've now loved country music for more years than I haven't, you know, like I've loved it for more than half of my life now, so.

00:42:37
Speaker 3: Well that'd being said too. If there's like a pop star that is like struggling and they come over and want to do country, I'm like, all right, I mean right, But then there are some who love it, who come over who like actually like the like Diplo. Diplo loves country music.

00:42:49
Speaker 2: He loves country.

00:42:50
Speaker 3: It's not even his first fouray into it, Like with what you guys are doing together.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: That man loves country music. It is a It's been really fun.

00:42:57
Speaker 2: To watch him.

00:42:57
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to do country music, I guess, is my point. Sometimes they'll be like, and I don't want to take a shot out of him, like Brett Michaels who was in poison, who decided to lunch of country career, who was super nice. Sure, but it's like you're doing a country because the other stuff's not working new, so you're gonna come up that I don't love.

00:43:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:43:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:43:14
Speaker 3: When I came here from Austin, I was killing it.

00:43:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:43:18
Speaker 3: I did not have to come here. Yeah I wanted to come here. Yeah, And that I like.

00:43:23
Speaker 1: That was me too, Like I could have gone to La like I really had thoughts of like, if I'm gonna go more in a pop direction artists wise, LA seems like the place to be.

00:43:33
Speaker 2: But I was like, I want to write country songs.

00:43:35
Speaker 3: Whenever you said, hey, I'm a country artist and you started to talk to managers or publishers where they were like, h you got a dated dude. Can't date girls and countries? No, no, no.

00:43:45
Speaker 1: Also, like, no one gave me the time of day until Villain.

00:43:49
Speaker 3: So it was that just they didn't say that.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I legit had never been contacted or answered by a single person in town until I don't lead to TikTok and.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: Did it a little late?

00:44:03
Speaker 1: I guess not really in retrospect, but it's like twenty twenty and I saw Priscilla and Janakis both get deals and I was like, I have good songs too, I'm gonna download it. I feel too old for the app. I was twenty seven at the time. I was like, I'm not dancing or anything like that. And I put up every demo I had and one of them did pretty well. I was coming over from Instagram with like two thousand followers.

00:44:25
Speaker 3: What was the one that did pretty well? They gave you a little hope but wasn't filling.

00:44:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a song called two Lonely People. People still comment and want it all the time, but it's not happening. But Rikaya Marshall actually slid into my DMS. She was working, so she was working as a publisher at BMG at the time. She also dated Seth England. They now have a kid together and are engaged it. But little did I know she was trying to start her own company. But I just saw her as like she works at BMG, Holy cow, I can get a thirty thousand dollars a year pub deal.

00:44:57
Speaker 2: She likes my voice all this, and I went over to her.

00:44:59
Speaker 1: How like three days later met Seth and we just listened through fifteen songs, Villain being one of them, and I still give them hell of this day that they were kind of like, let's keep in touch, Like I don't think the songs are there yet, but let's keep in touch. And I was listening to that Matthew McConaughey book Green Lights while I was delivering groceries at the time, and I was like, you want to know what, this is not a red light, this is a yellow light. I've just got to post everything and I have to really dive into this TikTok thing. And we posted Villain and think it got like thirteen million views in like three videos in a week, which like no one had done that yet in country. And Rakaya Marshall was my first call. She was like, hey, you want to do a fifty to fifty master deal to meet with some record labels and get you a team together.

00:45:44
Speaker 2: It was like absolutely.

00:45:47
Speaker 3: For you to go, let's just put it all up again. This is what I like. Just there's just a theme of things that I like about you, but it's just generally in the same little world, your same brand. It's like, you know, when you put up all these videos, some of them are not going to get any traction.

00:46:00
Speaker 2: Dude.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: The first video I put up, I said, if I get fifty followers today on TikTok, I will release the rest of this demo. And I got like thirty followers. Why I still release the rest of the demo? But uh yeah, you know, I wasn't I wasn't on the Voice or American Idol, and I didn't come over with tens of thousands of followers, and this like it was just truly bootstrapping from day one, even with TikTok and and I'm grateful it's been cool, but.

00:46:25
Speaker 3: I feel like it's unfair and some of the older artists, but I've seen this through a couple of generations, and even me working on American Idol for four years or so, definitely on the back side of that show. But when people are like, man, these TikTok artists, they just that same thing was said about all these people on American Idol on the Vorce, that same thing was said about man. They are first on Star Search that saying.

00:46:46
Speaker 1: It's yeah, Facebook, you know, like you don't think of Caan Brown as a Facebook artist.

00:46:50
Speaker 3: Right, It's always going to happen. It's always happened, and it will continue happening with something else, And there's always going to be that one and a half generation older group that's still somewhat relevant. But they're irritated that what they had to go through was harder. I would compare it to people who don't want people student loans to be covered, because listen, I'd have to take any student loans. Luckily I was very smart and or I wouldn't been able to college. So at Almos School, paid for for like Maze t Score. But if all of a sudden they said we're going to pay for everybody's student loans, I shouldn't go, well, I didn't get mine paid for. This sucks, they shouldn't get theirs. No, yeah, I have nothing to do. That has nothing to do with me. And so same thing with this. Well they made it on TikTok. They did, but that's that has anything to do with you. And it's happened that way. Every single generation decade has been something else that's happened with It's just a tool, it's yeah. And when it was happening to people coming off the voice and IDOL, I'm like, bros, if this opportunity or this was in front of you to go to this to try, you would do it. And if you want it, that's on you.

00:48:00
Speaker 1: People make it every different way, every way, and it's been cool. If we now have been around long enough that I don't think anybody thinks of I.

00:48:09
Speaker 3: Didn't even know. I'll be honest with you, I don't think it. I didn't even know you.

00:48:11
Speaker 2: Good.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: That's been my goal from day one, and I was really lucky that I had leverage and I didn't have a single member of a team. Rakaya kind of starting as a nucleus, and I got to really hand pick a team that shares the same vision back at the time of like, I don't want to be the TikTok artist. Let's make sure the narrative is not that. And also I don't want to be the gay artist. I want to just be Lily.

00:48:32
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like, this is me just pointing out things I like about you. And if that's uncomfortable, well then that's weird. It should be really comfortable. Is that I didn't know your TikTok artists, That's fine, But the fact that you still brought it up, like I even like that that you're like, I download a TikTok and a way we went. Because you're also not running from it. You're not screaming, hey, this is what facts. Yeah, Because again, having really talked to a lot of folks on Mike's and off if they got their first success from TikTok, some people are embarrassed by it now, and I'm like, you should not be You shouldn't be embarrassed. It's like a model walking through the mall. Somebody sees you and you're just hot. You shouldn't be embarrassed that you didn't go into these models. You were just hot.

00:49:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gone through waves with it. I would imagine of just my biggest thing is I care a lot about what people think, and I do my best to not but yeah, I was worried in town of just like other artists and people I respect a lot. I didn't know what they thought, but I was like, yo, head down. Years from now, nobody will remember me as the TikToker.

00:49:37
Speaker 3: I literally did not know. That's what.

00:49:38
Speaker 2: That was good, that's great, and it worked.

00:49:41
Speaker 3: Then that happened, and I've forgotten too, because again, success kind of camouflages all of the past that you do or don't want known. You have success, big things, shinier things kind of keep your eyes looking at it more than the past. Even like Megan, I was telling her, it was like, you're not the TikTok artist to me anymore.

00:50:04
Speaker 1: No.

00:50:04
Speaker 2: I don't even think of her that way either, So.

00:50:06
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, Danielle brad Berry, Yeah, you know, and I don't. I think she's probably still looking for the huge successes, but she's not the little kid on the voice.

00:50:16
Speaker 2: No, not at all.

00:50:18
Speaker 3: Everybody has a job, and people don't look at me as the kid on KLAZ in Hot Springs, Arkansas who begged to get a job and got lucky because somebody got fired and after I was cleaning. Yeah.

00:50:28
Speaker 1: No, it's just a lot of little decisions that you make.

00:50:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, yours has talent, though mine just happened to be there. They're scubbing a bathroom and they're like, hey guy, you you come in here.

00:50:37
Speaker 2: You got that hustle.

00:50:39
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00:50:52
Speaker 3: Your dad and broadcasting as some sort of Yeah.

00:50:54
Speaker 2: He still is. He works for Cox down in Atlanta doing what so.

00:50:57
Speaker 1: He has been their marketing director for all their station since I was a kid, Since I was a baby, He's kept a job in radio at Cox. He has been at Cox how long? For thirty two years?

00:51:09
Speaker 3: That's wild.

00:51:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, You know, my dad made so many incredible sacrifices to be the best dad he could be while also being the best husband and boss and friend and brother and a lot of those where he did not want us to have to pick up and move and my brother and I have to go to a bunch of different schools and cities because he turned down jobs and probably like San Antonio and Tampa and Dayton, all those Cox cities.

00:51:35
Speaker 3: I think it's crazy he's able to keep a job for thirty two years in radio. He's the worst industry ever.

00:51:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it is what it is.

00:51:43
Speaker 1: But he's brilliant, like he's a unicorn, and they just find so much value in him.

00:51:47
Speaker 3: And does he have naked pictures of the boss? He does have a question? Okay, not yet, not that I know of. I'm just saying I don't really believe in the jinks. Yeah, I've been lucky enough to go for Oh god, dang, I only like that number. But like twenty four years.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And he's been on the Bulldog's broadcast, so he also does the football.

00:52:09
Speaker 2: He's on the broadcast team for them.

00:52:11
Speaker 3: Wait, what does he do?

00:52:12
Speaker 1: He's like the pregame halftime in postgame games on It's Awesome. He used to be on the Gary McKee morning show back in the day for.

00:52:20
Speaker 2: Starting for It.

00:52:21
Speaker 3: Does the broadcast for That's Awesome. Yeah, I at one time, this is how awesome I think that is. Yeah, I at one time flirted with the idea in the last few years. I was like, I think I want to go be part of the Arkansas Football badcast team. And my team was like, it's gonna cost you more money to get there and do that, yeah, because it doesn't pay. No, that's my hobby and you're gonna have to fly usually somebody who lives there or move. And I was like, but I love it so much.

00:52:48
Speaker 2: That's such a cool that's so like, Yeah, it's the best.

00:52:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I did not have a choice but to bleed red and black. And we've seen every big game, gone to all the natties and everything.

00:52:58
Speaker 3: If your dad's gonna hear this, but that's cool, man, that's dope.

00:53:01
Speaker 2: That is he is. He loves this podcast even if I'm not on it.

00:53:04
Speaker 3: But sad in the summer. Yeah, how do you and diplo ever even meet?

00:53:09
Speaker 2: Oh man? It was December of twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Holy cow. I just signed it big loud and.

00:53:18
Speaker 3: Uh right for publishing.

00:53:20
Speaker 2: No for label, yeaheah.

00:53:22
Speaker 1: For a label And yeah, I was like right after Villain and they sent me this whole playlist of like a bunch of songs. They were like, hey, I know you write all your own songs, but if you want any of these outside, here's like twenty five songs we put together for you that we think you'd crush. And Sad in the Summer was on there, and it was like a guitar vocal and Seth was like, Hey, I want you to put your vocal on this song and we're just gonna send it to Diplo. And I was like, it's just a guitar vocal, Like what do you what? He what's he gonna do with that?

00:53:49
Speaker 2: And I did.

00:53:49
Speaker 1: I was super sick also when I did it, so my voice was really raspy, and we sent it over. I met Diplo that following Christmas. He DJ'ed our Christmas party at Big Loud.

00:54:00
Speaker 3: Was that's legit.

00:54:01
Speaker 2: It was a time.

00:54:01
Speaker 1: But we all went to the Titans game the day before and got to hang out and uh and then just out of nowhere, in like August of twenty twenty two, he sent over sat in the Summer.

00:54:10
Speaker 2: It was this whole like disco track. We kind of just sat there.

00:54:14
Speaker 3: And waited with you on it.

00:54:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with that exact same we had hopes, but like you know, yeah, Wes Wes has Wes's timeline.

00:54:22
Speaker 1: He's such an artist that he does things exactly when he wants to. So we were all kind of like, yo, if he does Thomas Wesley too, hopefully we're on it.

00:54:32
Speaker 2: And they sent that over and we were like, oh.

00:54:34
Speaker 3: Boy, how do you play that in your shows? Oh?

00:54:37
Speaker 2: It's fun.

00:54:37
Speaker 1: We uh a lot of tracks underneath, but also it's a bit heavier, more guitar part on that d D and uh yeah, we go heavy with it, a little halftime headbanging.

00:54:49
Speaker 3: Do people ever confuse you with Lily Rose Depp?

00:54:51
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah.

00:54:52
Speaker 1: But Dipplo and I were like, yo, we should just start a du owning Lily Rose dip and like throw it all off.

00:54:58
Speaker 3: You know it would break it. I throw it all more so than it already does.

00:55:01
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my pinnacle of success when you can google Lily Rose and it's me first and not her.

00:55:06
Speaker 3: Well, so I googled today just to see mostly do google the news to make sure that nobody got funding bad before they come in, and you're all clear, don't worry. They basically did a background checks, say, but there's only one thing of her before you. Yeah, so it's.

00:55:21
Speaker 1: Good I mean, she's such an artist and an entertainer. She does so many things.

00:55:24
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just saying, it's not like ten things and then sure are you that's good? Yeah for climbing up baby, exactly. You're almost where you want to be. So you're out with Sam.

00:55:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, we start that tour in two weeks out. Yeah festivals right now.

00:55:40
Speaker 3: Man. Sam's good dude.

00:55:42
Speaker 1: He took us out last year for about five weeks, so you've been out with them. Yeah, So for him to bring us on the entire tour this summer, He's the reason I moved to Nashville and not La.

00:55:50
Speaker 3: You like him, love him. He's a good dude.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: He's like my biggest influence in country music. When he put out that Between the Pines mixtape and twenty fourteen, I would sit there and just try to recreate all those teach myself logic, do all of it. And he's really what made me be like, I want to write Oh if that's country, I know I can go and write country songs.

00:56:08
Speaker 3: Sam's the example to me of someone who a lot of people when he first came out and had success, not I'm not gonna say the majority, but a lot of people were like, this is not country, this is not what the music should be doing, like program directors, like playlist creators, even people at record labels that weren't his. This is not it, this is not it. But when it pops so hard, then you heard all the other artists started to take elements from it, and it went from being what was far to the left of the right to it was what everybod else was trying to do. So he'd create Like no one else would let him on the road, So he created his own road. And he's out driving on the road by himself, and all of sudden, everybody on the same road behind him.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: I'm such a big believer.

00:56:51
Speaker 1: I've always said that of you know, in Athens, I would I'd be able to pack out the bars and put four hundred people in headlining shows. But if a country are came through that was playing the Georgia Theater, they would never look at me. They will they would look at you know, one of the dudes wearing jeans and boots and anything. Or Marony honestly opened a lot of those shows that I always hoped I would be on. Too bad, she's not doing anything. Yeah, I love you meg you are crushing. You got number one right now. But I just always had this thing that I was like, you want to know what, none of the superstars that sell out arenas and stadiums did anything that anyone else ever did before. And you cannot be a carbon copy and become a superstar you.

00:57:31
Speaker 3: I mean, it is so tough, and it's like you have to go through extra adversity if you're different, and you almost can't explode unless you're different. So the way to explode is to be different. But odds are if you're way different, you're not gonna explode. So you've got to believe in yourself so much even if you're different. If you want to be a megastar.

00:57:51
Speaker 2: Like every day, have to tell yourself that.

00:57:53
Speaker 3: And it's hard. I've always been super different, and it's it sucked because I was always the guy that was too country to be pop. I was too pop to be country. I'm too not conservative to be on country radio. I'm too I have too many conservative part like parts of my how I live my life that keeps me from doing everything that I do is wrong. Apparently if you ask everybody, I.

00:58:22
Speaker 1: Feel like sometimes I get viewed that way as well.

00:58:25
Speaker 3: That being said, it's the greatest thing to ever happened to me. Yeah, because I'm the only one, only one. The only thing that we have is being honest to yourself and true. And I don't even lie anymore, mostly because I can't remember. That's actually most of the reason, because I would, I would just be like, tell great stories on the radio. I'll be like, listen to this. This happened to me. Sure, But I have learned now in my wise age, that it's harder than normal to be great. It's hard. It's really hard to be great if you're different. But it's the only way you can really be great is if you're different big time.

00:59:03
Speaker 2: And I mean it's easier said than done.

00:59:05
Speaker 1: But I'm just grateful I've got a label and a whole team around me that just completely share that vision.

00:59:11
Speaker 3: I don't even think you that. I mean, you're definitely different, doing a different way, but it's not like you have two heads on in an extra elbow coming out of your neck, you know. But like Sam is my example, if he's not different anymore. No, he's what everybody wants to be. But at some point there was a window when people were like let's just throw Sam Hunt in the sea and hope he never comes back because what he's doing this is not good or legitimate.

00:59:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and now it's like Morgan's about to have like five number ones in a row that have drum beats and tracks and all of it in there.

00:59:38
Speaker 3: And even Garth. And I've been lucky enough to have a relationship with Garth where I've opened for him and I've done things that I hang out with him and he will tell me that they wanted to run me out of town. His live shows had elements of kiss had elements they're too pop And you can just how we talked about Star Search Idol all the way up. You can do the same thing with that ain't country. When Bob Wills when his steel player plugged in the steel gets for the first time, they wanted to burn the place down because that's not a country. Think about that and a steel guitar, an electric steel guitar, And it's happened every situation. I like, it's a decade inside of the decades forever, and it's always going to happen for sure. And I'm just always amazed how dumb people are that haven't seen that.

01:00:22
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm definitely at the point. I was really lucky. When I first started doing the TikTok thing and just posting videos, I was always very worried I was going to deal with hate in my comments and on my Instagram and stuff. I don't deal with any hate in the comments. It's when like the ACM's post about me or I can't because it's just like people telling me that I'm not a human being, and I'm.

01:00:46
Speaker 2: Just like okay, wow.

01:00:47
Speaker 1: So you definitely have to know, no, no, you got to. You gotta remind yourself every day of like they told Garth that he wasn't country either.

01:00:55
Speaker 3: Well, they tell me I'm a human, but I'm just an talented human.

01:00:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:00:59
Speaker 3: So I do feel bad for you, but it's nuts.

01:01:01
Speaker 2: It's done.

01:01:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, man, It's just I'm just a fan.

01:01:05
Speaker 2: Thanks. I am too.

01:01:06
Speaker 3: You're really good at this. It's like you're so easy to talk to. It's like the greatest first date ever.

01:01:11
Speaker 4: Mind.

01:01:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, we've done an hour here, so music? What about what else? Like? What's I hate the question? What do you have coming now? But give me something like when do you plan to start putting stuff out.

01:01:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, we uh so, I did another eight or nine songs with Joey Moy and then I'm now working with Paul did Giovanni as well, So it's gonna kind of be a split record that we're hoping to have out by the end of the year, fingers crossed.

01:01:35
Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of record.

01:01:37
Speaker 3: One song, what's one new song coming out?

01:01:39
Speaker 2: I don't know yet.

01:01:40
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good answer.

01:01:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of cool with the patient game and going dark a little bit while we we really ride this Diplo song. But the songs that we have out are so different than anything or that we have ready to go, or really different than anything we've done before. And I took a lot of outside songs when I first signed, and I've gotten to write a lot more.

01:02:00
Speaker 2: So it's been great.

01:02:01
Speaker 3: And if they're different, they're probably not gonna work. However, they should't, probab they shouldn't probably work because they're different. But when they do, and god dang it, if they do, it's gonna be awesome.

01:02:09
Speaker 2: I'm all down.

01:02:09
Speaker 1: I'm every single song that I just trust it and it's the perfect place in my wheelhouse where I sing and it's different are the ones that pop.

01:02:17
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna keep keep.

01:02:19
Speaker 3: Going when you're playing shows because yeah, with Sam, I only get a few minutes left. But yeah, I like injure my groin or like my hip flexer, and I gotta work out in like an hour and a half. So I've been doing cry o a little bit to kind of help the inflammation, not because I believe that's doing anything except that. Yeah, just inflammation. So I got have an appointment or I do this for two hours. Oh yeah, that being said, when you're the are you the baby with Sam?

01:02:42
Speaker 2: Yeah?

01:02:42
Speaker 3: Okay, so who's the middle, Brett Young? That's pretty solid.

01:02:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be.

01:02:45
Speaker 3: Great whenever you're driving around in a van, and I just want people to know because the one constant has been your drive. I'm not gonna say hustle. I'm gonna say you're drive. When you're driving in a van to these shows and you're making what the baby makes, you're not making a lot of money right now.

01:03:05
Speaker 1: No, we do really well in merch, which which helps balance out a lot of things, and but also to do well in merch, you gotta go stand at that merch table for an hour and shake hands and take photos, which is one of my favorite parts of the day. But right now I'm I'm with three dudes that are in my band that also have been working at this for so long, that feel that same that drive and the just tenacity, you know, and uh, it's been great, But I feel like we got a bus coming soon.

01:03:35
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're right there. But I'm going to tell you the fact that you've been in a van makes the bus so much. Yes, it makes it worth it. And you never want to go through anything hard, but you really don't grow unless you go through something hard.

01:03:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we also have the best times in those vans.

01:03:51
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, when I first start a toy, we were driving around a car that's all over the South. It sucks.

01:03:58
Speaker 1: I always tell everyone. They're like, sorry about it's a sprinter van this week, and I'm like, yeah, it's better than a car.

01:04:02
Speaker 2: I used to be in the car.

01:04:03
Speaker 3: And that's for a year. I finished the show on Friday. We try to beat five. We do a show and then we just drive overnight in a car and it sucked, And then we got a we started driving in a van.

01:04:16
Speaker 2: I say, you don't drink so we have a little bit more fun with it.

01:04:19
Speaker 3: Okay, that I could see, and then the van I was like, that's awesome. I got right down and then then it gets sucky again. And then when you get a bus, it's a game changer. Hey, just wait to get a plane.

01:04:27
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

01:04:31
Speaker 3: Okay, fingers crossed. When are you You're going out with Sam? When does that wrap up?

01:04:35
Speaker 1: So that is like beginning of July through the end of September, and then we're out with Shanaia Twain for thirteen shows.

01:04:42
Speaker 3: Dang, how light does that go?

01:04:44
Speaker 1: November is and then headlining after that we're road dogging.

01:04:49
Speaker 3: Are you done in November until the next year?

01:04:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and then there's always the Christmas radio shows and all that.

01:04:54
Speaker 2: But touring wise, for the most.

01:04:56
Speaker 3: Part, you should come up. I don't know if you could even do it, but I'm one of the shows that I'm doing. It's it's easy driving a car to Louisville. Yeah, you should come up and open up that show. I only pay a thousand bucks. But you you don't have to. You don't have to do anything. It's like there's no money. No, you don't have to do that, but I think it's super because then i'd bring up on the radio show and I have it's so political when I bring guests up, I have to do a little bull crap and mostly I don't care, but then my boss gets into not trouble, but then he gets pushed and then he comes not down on me. But it's like it. But anyway, we should try to figure out a quick show that you don't have to drive a van to because I'm doing some super close like Louisville's yeah, two hours like right there, yeah and beyond in Well, I'll just I'll have my people call your people, yeah, and we'll see. I'm just a big fan.

01:05:40
Speaker 2: Hey me too. Thank you. This is such a bucket list.

01:05:42
Speaker 1: If I would have told well don't twenty twenty eighteen Lily that we we finally got to do this, I don't know if she'd believe it.

01:05:48
Speaker 2: So thank you.

01:05:48
Speaker 3: Then we'll get you up on the show and it'll be great. I'm just a big fan. I've been following along for a while and it's super cool to see what's happening and how you're making it happen, and there's a different it's and something happening, And the difference is somebody making something happening and then it happens. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, Mike, anything you want to say. I feel like this has been the fan club meeting mostly of the league than anything else. No, it's been great. You're not dying though, right? Yeah?

01:06:12
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not dying.

01:06:14
Speaker 3: Announce it here though? If you are?

01:06:16
Speaker 2: So?

01:06:16
Speaker 3: Who what does he do?

01:06:17
Speaker 2: The guy Dylan right here in the corner. It's my day to day manager.

01:06:21
Speaker 3: Oh you're the manager? Yeah, Dylan? How'd you feel like this went? Io? Yeah?

01:06:26
Speaker 2: I thought you known each other for twenty years.

01:06:28
Speaker 3: I feel that way too, That's why I said. It just felt so freaking normal. We screwed up to the microphone.

01:06:33
Speaker 2: What what?

01:06:33
Speaker 3: What do you not like about her? It's not well, I don't like that about you. But here's the thing, Dylan, you weren't a Vandy shirt, and that's kind of bull crap when you were another team.

01:06:44
Speaker 1: The man is from Missouri and has been a Miszoo fan since I've met him, so.

01:06:48
Speaker 3: I have no respect for you. Well, here's here's the funny thing.

01:06:52
Speaker 2: Were the Vandy shirt to look a little bit smarter?

01:06:54
Speaker 3: I went, I went about mine. I you like four colleges.

01:06:58
Speaker 2: I know.

01:06:59
Speaker 3: I had an ex essential crisis when my brother in law, he coaches Utah, we coached Utah softball and they went to the College Wall Series for the first time. It was awesome, and I struggled wearing any other school other than Arkansas. And my wife is like, this is family. No one's gonna think you've switch switched schools. You can wear Utah, And I thought, you know, Utah is not a threat to me. So I'm gonna wear Utah only at the game to support him, but it's family. I also love him if it's super close to him. Now that being said, my wife is a massive Oklahoma fan massive her family all shoot me dead before I put anything overall, and she won't wear anything Arkansas. So I've only been a one logo guy until so. But you being a four logo guy with no family, But yeah, it kind of shows how you are. Yeah, your true colors are flying through here whenever they start winning.

01:07:50
Speaker 1: That's when I'm on board, dude. I'm the same way my dad. We did not have a single ounce of orange in our house.

01:07:57
Speaker 2: Can allowed it? Will say yes, ma Zoo was not in the SEC whenever I was growing up, Big twelve, Big twelve, So all the excuses come on. Don't keeps a lot.

01:08:09
Speaker 3: I still feel dirty for in Utah, but I understand why I did it. You prefer you got like a team. Every day here where on the street is all team Dylan. You got a free shirt, he'll wear it. Got free shirt, all right, you guys. Followed on Instagram at Lily Rose Music on TikTok Lily Rose Music Official. Will put it up in the notes here, uh Sad in the Summer which we played before Lily got in here, and I'm just rooting for you. Thanks mam.

01:08:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

01:08:34
Speaker 3: Keep killing it, keep pushing, thank you. It ain't over till you quit. So don't quit because you got it.

01:08:38
Speaker 2: Man, unless I die.

01:08:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's the whole ghost thing, like you're gonna come back and I'm gonnaunt all right, yes, all right, thank

01:08:48
Speaker 5: You, Thanks guys, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.