Plants That Help Save Energy

<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Iconic Studio A Here at proven winner's color
<v Speaker 1>Choice shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with
<v Speaker 1>Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer
<v Speaker 1>Adrianna Robinson. Well, today we're going to harvest some positive
<v Speaker 1>energy free climate control. We're going to give you a
<v Speaker 1>good swift kick in the plants. We're talking about energy
<v Speaker 1>saving plants today, and there's some planning that you need
<v Speaker 1>to do. The gardener who's going to be putting into
<v Speaker 1>the physical labor as well as the mental labor of
<v Speaker 1>doing their planning and trying to make their landscape more
<v Speaker 1>energy efficient, are going to have to make the right
<v Speaker 1>choices because Stacey, it's an investment and it takes time
<v Speaker 1>to build. Let's call it a micro climate.
<v Speaker 2>It does. And you know, it's been interesting as I
<v Speaker 2>was researching this topic because it's a fascinating one because
<v Speaker 2>plants really can do so much to save your household
<v Speaker 2>energy costs. You know, usually when we're talking about plants
<v Speaker 2>on the show, we're talking about the types of plants.
<v Speaker 2>Oh do you plan on hydrange a rows, this or
<v Speaker 2>the other. This is all really about more about the height,
<v Speaker 2>whether or not it's evergreen and where you place it,
<v Speaker 2>rather than getting into the specifics of oh, this is
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful hydrangels, so this is my choice. So it's
<v Speaker 2>an interesting take on what we normally talk about here.
<v Speaker 1>You bet you. It's time to harness that leafy magic
<v Speaker 1>to cool things down in summer. So when we talk energy,
<v Speaker 1>we're maybe talking about water conservation. We're talking about cooling
<v Speaker 1>your home or possibly providing a wind break in winter
<v Speaker 1>to deal with your heating bills. Now, of course there's
<v Speaker 1>a process called see if I get this right, Stacey,
<v Speaker 1>evappo transpiration.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you got it right.
<v Speaker 1>Bingo, nailed it. I'm hot today. It's a fun word.
<v Speaker 1>Plants release water vapor through their leaves, creating a cooling
<v Speaker 1>effect similar to that of a mister system. And then
<v Speaker 1>when you group plants together, strategically group plants together, you
<v Speaker 1>enhance that evapo transpiration. Tough word to say, but sure
<v Speaker 1>feels good in summer when it's steamy and hot outside.
<v Speaker 1>And of course your savings are going to add up.
<v Speaker 1>So we have to consider things resources like water, conditions
<v Speaker 1>like prevailing winds, or microclimates. Using shading, all of these
<v Speaker 1>things we can do in our landscape, and Stacey, there's
<v Speaker 1>so many, so many easy things that we can do.
<v Speaker 1>For example, an area in your landscape that maybe you
<v Speaker 1>would have just coated with two to three inches of mulch,
<v Speaker 1>how about a groundcover. Groundcovers help cool the.
<v Speaker 2>Environment absolutely, and they look really good.
<v Speaker 1>Too, exactly know you'res How many times have I talked
<v Speaker 1>to folks in the garden center where I've said, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna pick out your plants, what direction does
<v Speaker 1>your house face and they can't tell them. Oh, man,
<v Speaker 1>can't tell me no. And I think it's super important,
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're in the northeast or the north, to
<v Speaker 1>know where south is because placement of plants on the
<v Speaker 1>south super important. I would say that it's cool to
<v Speaker 1>plant deciduous plants on the south side of the house,
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna help cool the house during the heat
<v Speaker 1>of summer. But in winter, when that foliage falls off,
<v Speaker 1>it's going to provide light through windows needed light and
<v Speaker 1>maybe even a little bit of warmth.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. You know, I live in an older house.
<v Speaker 2>It was built in the nineteen tens, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>back then it interior lighting was kind of a luxury
<v Speaker 2>not really widespread, and so my house, like mine, was
<v Speaker 2>really built on taking advance of all of those kind
<v Speaker 2>of natural light situations. And so it's really important, I think,
<v Speaker 2>especially if you have an older house, to conserve that
<v Speaker 2>and make sure you're not just planting evergreens. I think
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people when they hear about how plants
<v Speaker 2>can help them save energy, they think, oh, yeah, well,
<v Speaker 2>I'm just supposed to plant, you know, pine trees and
<v Speaker 2>they're going to provide shade. It's about more than that,
<v Speaker 2>and it's about knowing what you want to accomplish and
<v Speaker 2>not you know, kind of proverbially proverbially shooting yourself in
<v Speaker 2>the foot pipecle planting those evergreens along the south side
<v Speaker 2>and giving you the help in the summer but not
<v Speaker 2>in the winter, correct, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Or simple things like if you're going to put together
<v Speaker 1>a wind barrier, I like to mix evergreen with deciduous
<v Speaker 1>in winter. It provides some protection from the wind, it
<v Speaker 1>creates a barrier, but the foliage falls off the deciduous
<v Speaker 1>plants and allows some light through. So not only is
<v Speaker 1>it more appealing visually, but in addition it adds there's
<v Speaker 1>an interest and the ability to blocks some wind where
<v Speaker 1>the prevailing winds are coming from and nice.
<v Speaker 2>That's really important. And I Adriana can really attest to
<v Speaker 2>this because I happen to know on her commute in
<v Speaker 2>there are some areas where the homeowners have not planted
<v Speaker 2>wind breaks, and not only are they not getting the
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the wind break for their own home, but
<v Speaker 2>it's causing all that snow to drift across the road
<v Speaker 2>and it causes a huge issue for her. So, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons I thought this would be such
<v Speaker 2>a good show to do right now is if you
<v Speaker 2>have the house that you know people were regularly getting
<v Speaker 2>caught in snow drifts out front in your road, or
<v Speaker 2>you yourself go, hey, you know the rest of the
<v Speaker 2>road is clear, but always in front of my house,
<v Speaker 2>there's this massive snow drift. Now's the time to think
<v Speaker 2>about how planting can resolve this issue.
<v Speaker 1>Now, I've got a great website to help you with that.
<v Speaker 1>I love this website. I go to it all the time.
<v Speaker 1>It's called windfinder dot Com. Windfinder dot com. As a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, what I do is I go to
<v Speaker 1>the site. You can pick your location and it will
<v Speaker 1>break down for you by the month, where the prevailing
<v Speaker 1>winds tend to come from, and how strong those winds
<v Speaker 1>average during that month, and it helps you make those
<v Speaker 1>types of decisions. For example, on the west side of
<v Speaker 1>my property, I have a chain link fence. I like
<v Speaker 1>to grow annual vines through that fence. Think about it,
<v Speaker 1>it provides somewhat of a wind break, and yet in
<v Speaker 1>summer when I want that cool breeze, it allows enough
<v Speaker 1>air through. And using once again our word of the day, evapotranspiration,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a fig leaf of my imagination
<v Speaker 1>that I feel cooler on the deck because of it.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it looks cooler, and so that makes you feel cooler.
<v Speaker 1>Of course energy saving. Also, we always want to be
<v Speaker 1>water wise. There are so many great plants today that
<v Speaker 1>can handle heat and drought, introduction of new cultivars, but
<v Speaker 1>it's important to be water wise going in and when
<v Speaker 1>we're planting this spring, looking down and making sure that
<v Speaker 1>that soil has organic matter added that it has the
<v Speaker 1>ability to not only drain properly, but also retain some moisture.
<v Speaker 1>Because if that true, evappo transpiration is going to take
<v Speaker 1>place in summer and help cool you off and your
<v Speaker 1>home You've got to make sure that the plant is
<v Speaker 1>replenished with water because it's coming up from the roots,
<v Speaker 1>out the leaves, through the stomata, and that's how a
<v Speaker 1>plant breathes, and that's how you naturally cool off. I
<v Speaker 1>just think it's a very cool thing.
<v Speaker 2>It is a very cool thing. And I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>if you are like me in on city water and
<v Speaker 2>want to be a gardener, it is a very cool
<v Speaker 2>thing to reduce your water belt.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly, so something we have to look at. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>shading also proximity of a shade tree to a house.
<v Speaker 1>You don't want a shade tree too close to the house.
<v Speaker 1>It can do damage, it can cause problems. You have
<v Speaker 1>to be aware of that. At the same time, that
<v Speaker 1>cooling can have a significant effect on your electric bills
<v Speaker 1>and your cooling. Of course, you know, I don't like
<v Speaker 1>air conditioning, so I like the windows open, I like
<v Speaker 1>the breeze through, and the more plants that you have
<v Speaker 1>out there working for you, you're going to be cooled
<v Speaker 1>off without that air conditioning. And the thing that drives
<v Speaker 1>me crazy is going to a movie theater or a
<v Speaker 1>restaurant or someplace and they have that air conditioning crank,
<v Speaker 1>so I or I go to meetings and I got
<v Speaker 1>to bring along a winter coat. Drives me nuts. So
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a quick summer heat limb, a rick about
<v Speaker 1>my disdain for air conditioning. Now, if you love air conditioning,
<v Speaker 1>forgive me, okay, please forgive me. I understand there are
<v Speaker 1>people with allergies, you have elderly people, you got people working.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I get it. But don't make me freeze. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Plants I love for more than their looks, though they
<v Speaker 1>brighten crannies and nooks. But heat at times is a bummer.
<v Speaker 1>When the mercury rises in summer and the weather is
<v Speaker 1>hot and it cooks foliage. You're a natural kind of cool,
<v Speaker 1>far better than ac or the pool to the shade.
<v Speaker 1>I'm repositioning. It beats any air conditioning when it feels
<v Speaker 1>like July in Cabul. I'll do it of my own volition.
<v Speaker 1>I like heat, by my own admission. I like it
<v Speaker 1>steamy and humid. Forgive me, I'm only humid. I have
<v Speaker 1>an air condition One thing more additional, My opinion is positional.
<v Speaker 1>Crank the air on. I'll be gone. My position is unconditional,
<v Speaker 1>not a fan. Yeah, your conditioning, I choose plants.
<v Speaker 2>When Rick talks about how much he loves the heat
<v Speaker 2>in summer and now July is his favorite month, believe.
<v Speaker 1>Him well, continue talking about how you can save on
<v Speaker 1>those energy builds and use plants in your favor in
<v Speaker 1>segment four. But let's see how Stacy's going to tie
<v Speaker 1>this in in Plants on Trial. That's coming up next
<v Speaker 1>here on the Gardening Simplified Show.
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<v Speaker 2>to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we're talking all about
<v Speaker 2>how plants can help save you money. Now, if you
<v Speaker 2>are a gardener, you're like, plants save me money. That's
<v Speaker 2>never happened before. I spend on plants. But the simple
<v Speaker 2>fact is if you're not, you know, like you don't
<v Speaker 2>consider yourself a gardener, but you've been looking for ways
<v Speaker 2>to you know, reduce your heating and cooling bills. Plants
<v Speaker 2>actually can help you do that, and it's a much
<v Speaker 2>more complicated and in depth subject than we can cover,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the short time that we have for
<v Speaker 2>each episode. So I would encourage you if you are
<v Speaker 2>interested in this, now is the perfect time to do that. Research.
<v Speaker 2>Very often, local energy companies offer a lot of very
<v Speaker 2>helpful tips on how you can plant to save energy.
<v Speaker 2>Your local state university will absolutely have some great information
<v Speaker 2>for you. Yeah, the government, So there's lots of different
<v Speaker 2>resources for you depending on what you're trying to do.
<v Speaker 2>But this is time for plants on trial, where I
<v Speaker 2>tell you about at least one of the three hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty plus proven winners colored Choice shrubs, and you
<v Speaker 2>decide if you are going to if it's going to
<v Speaker 2>earn a place in your garden, you're going to add
<v Speaker 2>it to your spring shopping list for when you go
<v Speaker 2>to the garden center in oh about a couple weeks now,
<v Speaker 2>not too too far away. Now. Over the years when
<v Speaker 2>I've been speaking to home gardeners, one of the things
<v Speaker 2>that I have heard very often is, you know, people
<v Speaker 2>will see our beautiful plans and say, I just love
<v Speaker 2>that but I don't have room for it. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know where I would put it, And I get it.
<v Speaker 2>That's a really hard decision to make. It can be
<v Speaker 2>very tricky, you know, to determine where to plant. Like
<v Speaker 2>if you have a bed of you know, foundation planting,
<v Speaker 2>you kind of know the parameters and you might switch
<v Speaker 2>things out or something might die or start doing poorly
<v Speaker 2>and you want to switch that out. That's an easy decision.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, short of making a new bed, when
<v Speaker 2>you're looking around at your yard, you're kind of like,
<v Speaker 2>I want to plan something, but I don't know where. Well,
<v Speaker 2>Today's plant on trial is for you, because we are
<v Speaker 2>talking about a very simple way that you can reduce
<v Speaker 2>air conditioning costs with plants. And I'm talking specifically about
<v Speaker 2>shrubs because simply by shading your air conditioning condenser, that's
<v Speaker 2>the big, you know, rectangular thingy that you put outside.
<v Speaker 2>Do you even have air conditioning?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? I do, Okay, Yeah I have it because people visit.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, people visit. And it's you know, anyone who
<v Speaker 2>ever sells a house wants to have air conditioning. Right,
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of people who will not buy a house.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't use it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I agree. I try to avoid using it,
<v Speaker 2>and it's not about money. It's because I'd just rather
<v Speaker 2>have the windows open. Yeah, same, you know, and the
<v Speaker 2>air conditioner you know, going all day. That's annoying. But
<v Speaker 2>of course I know we have a lot of listeners
<v Speaker 2>in hot climates, and like you said, there's lots of
<v Speaker 2>other reasons why. Even in Michigan, where we don't usually
<v Speaker 2>have super hot summers, air conditioning comes in handy. But
<v Speaker 2>if your air conditioning can condens your unit outside is
<v Speaker 2>in the sun, especially during that hottest part of the day,
<v Speaker 2>when it is working the hardest, it has to work
<v Speaker 2>so much harder because the sun is actually heating it up. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it is trying. It's best to cool off your house.
<v Speaker 2>If you shade your air conditioning unit outside by using
<v Speaker 2>taller shrubs, you can get a three percent savings through
<v Speaker 2>more efficient use of your air conditioner.
<v Speaker 1>Now I agree with that. I've heard some ridiculous stuff
<v Speaker 1>out there, like ten to fifty percent, and that is
<v Speaker 1>not the case.
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty big range, and that's.
<v Speaker 1>A big range. But to say three percent, yeah, that
<v Speaker 1>makes sense provided the plants aren't too close to it.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's exactly it. So you do obviously have to
<v Speaker 2>do this the right way, and it is very important
<v Speaker 2>first of all that you do not plant too closely
<v Speaker 2>to your air conditioner. You know, I've heard over the
<v Speaker 2>years all sorts of people who even without the energy
<v Speaker 2>savings you can get from shading your air conditioner, or
<v Speaker 2>just like I don't want to look at the thing.
<v Speaker 2>And so then they go and they get probably usually
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of arborids, and they all it off, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like it's a little pig sty there, and they plan
<v Speaker 2>them so close and so God forbid anything happened to
<v Speaker 2>your air conditioner and needed to have its serviced. And
<v Speaker 2>then all that hot air that it is kicking out
<v Speaker 2>as it works so hard is just frying that foliage,
<v Speaker 2>and so it gets really stressed and it starts looking awful.
<v Speaker 2>So you can do this, but you're gonna have to
<v Speaker 2>do it the right way. And basically what that means
<v Speaker 2>is that for me, in my opinion, you're generally going
<v Speaker 2>to want to avoid evergreens for planting around your air conditioning.
<v Speaker 2>The reason for that, like I just said, with if
<v Speaker 2>you haven't evergreen, that foliage is probably going to get
<v Speaker 2>stressed from all of the heat. A lot of times
<v Speaker 2>that hot, stagnant air can can lead to pest issues.
<v Speaker 2>If you choose a deciduous plant, any of that foliage
<v Speaker 2>stress that the plant might get from the heat of
<v Speaker 2>the air conditioner itself is going to be replaced by
<v Speaker 2>fresh new foliage the following season. Another really important consideration
<v Speaker 2>here is if your air conditioner does have to be serviced,
<v Speaker 2>if they have to cut back or prune a deciduous
<v Speaker 2>plant to be able to get to it, it's going
<v Speaker 2>to recover a lot better than if you tried to
<v Speaker 2>do that with an evergreen.
<v Speaker 1>All makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>Now, You don't want, of course, plant directly next to it.
<v Speaker 2>You want to have that access space. And also that's
<v Speaker 2>not going to necessarily be the most functional energy conserving aspect,
<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna want to primarily focus on the east, south,
<v Speaker 2>and west sides of your air conditioning unit. You don't
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about the north. You don't have to
<v Speaker 2>wall it all off like it's, you know, a plague
<v Speaker 2>that can't reach the rest of your yard. Look at
<v Speaker 2>where it is the sunniest during the especially that hottest
<v Speaker 2>part of the day, but really consider that whole afternoon
<v Speaker 2>and then I would say you are going to now
<v Speaker 2>be spoiled for choice among a bunch of amazing, probably
<v Speaker 2>six foot plus deciduous shrubs that you can then plant.
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying six plus because you're gonna need that height
<v Speaker 2>for the sun to actually be able to cast the
<v Speaker 2>shadow over that air conditioning unit. So this is not
<v Speaker 2>the place for your dwarf shrubs just to pretty it
<v Speaker 2>up and camouflage it a little. If you actually want
<v Speaker 2>to get the effect, the plant actually is going to
<v Speaker 2>need to cast shade onto your air conditioning unit. So
<v Speaker 2>some small trees like some crab apples, or a few
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago we talked about Midnight Express redbud. That would
<v Speaker 2>be another great choice if you're looking for a tree.
<v Speaker 2>But I really think this is an absolutely fantastic place
<v Speaker 2>to plant some larger shrubs.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>Now I would say you can do this one of
<v Speaker 2>two ways. You can do this in a way that
<v Speaker 2>the plant is at its best in summer and kind
<v Speaker 2>of accentuating the area, So something like one of the
<v Speaker 2>Miss series of butterfly bush Those get to be a
<v Speaker 2>good five to six feet tall and have those great
<v Speaker 2>bright colors. But you could also consider something like double
<v Speaker 2>take quins. Sure very nicely densely branched shrub gets nice
<v Speaker 2>and round and large, you get great spring flowers. And
<v Speaker 2>so then by the time the air conditioning is cranking out,
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you don't even want to be around
<v Speaker 2>it when it's going all the time and the hot
<v Speaker 2>air is coming off and it's making that horrendous noise,
<v Speaker 2>then you have nothing to look at. It's just doing
<v Speaker 2>its job of shading the air conditioning unit. I love,
<v Speaker 2>of course, simply sensational and afrodit d Kelli caanthas. Those
<v Speaker 2>are two great choices if you have a lot of room.
<v Speaker 2>So again you're gonna want to take the overall width
<v Speaker 2>of whatever shrub you're choosing, divide that in half, and
<v Speaker 2>then you are going to space the plant that half
<v Speaker 2>width plus I would say an additional two feet for
<v Speaker 2>access around the air conditioning unit. That's how much space
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have. So that will help you to determine,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because like affridiitdy CALLI canthass amazing plant. Absolutely
<v Speaker 2>love it, but it is a big, big plant. But
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's still plenty of other options. I thought
<v Speaker 2>that one of my favorites El Nino Chatelpa could be
<v Speaker 2>an absolutely great choice here, no problem taking that heat,
<v Speaker 2>will you know, absolutely shrug that off and it's nice
<v Speaker 2>and tall and narrow so that it's really going to
<v Speaker 2>provide that height that you need to cast the shadow
<v Speaker 2>over your air conditioning. It looks great, you know, kind
<v Speaker 2>of as a hedge or uniformly if you want a
<v Speaker 2>plant multiple so you kind of are almost making a
<v Speaker 2>three quarters hedge around it. And of course it has
<v Speaker 2>that great fragrance to really help it, you know, liven
<v Speaker 2>up the area a little bit. Show off for Scythia
<v Speaker 2>bulletproof plant. You know, you really Forcythia is so easy
<v Speaker 2>to grow, and you know, I do want to say,
<v Speaker 2>since Forcythia is shade tolerant, it is worth remembering that
<v Speaker 2>very often responsible air conditioning companies who have the option
<v Speaker 2>will try to place it so that it is shaded
<v Speaker 2>during the hottest part of the day. And that's certainly
<v Speaker 2>true where mine is. But sometimes you know, you just
<v Speaker 2>don't have that choice depending on the property or you know,
<v Speaker 2>where your facilities are in your house. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>generally we're looking for plants that are going to be
<v Speaker 2>full sun tolerant and are going to cast the shade
<v Speaker 2>during that hottest part of the day. But of course
<v Speaker 2>you do have to consider the over sites. So if
<v Speaker 2>you have shade, a lot of these plants are going
<v Speaker 2>to be great in shade. Both the calliicanthus that I
<v Speaker 2>just mentioned double take quins can easily take shade, especially
<v Speaker 2>in hot climates. And it's especially in hot climates where
<v Speaker 2>this really matters, you know, for.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And again I love the idea of deciduous plants
<v Speaker 1>if we have something that's somewhat fastigient, I think, and
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about that in segment four because
<v Speaker 1>I think it's ideal for wind block and also for cooling.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a fig leaf of my imagination
<v Speaker 1>that some air gets through deciduous plants, oh absolutely, whereas
<v Speaker 1>it's more of a block with evergreens, as you mentioned.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very often. I mean, you can prune evergreens to
<v Speaker 2>have a little bit more air in them. But yet
<v Speaker 2>if you're trying to get that airflow, which you do want,
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to create like a hot spot around there,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, I think el Nina would be such
<v Speaker 2>a great choice here. Another great choice Rosa Sharon in general,
<v Speaker 2>but especially the Pillar series exactly, and that is one
<v Speaker 2>of our best sellers in the South, So if you
<v Speaker 2>are joining us from a hotter climate, you will have
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<v Speaker 2>red pillar Proven Miner's Color Choice hibiscus. That would be
<v Speaker 2>a great choice for just providing that little bit of
<v Speaker 2>shade around your air conditioner. That's not only going to
<v Speaker 2>save you money, but it's going to make your yard
<v Speaker 2>look a lot better too, So it's perfect when when
<v Speaker 2>here's a nice little spring project for you as you're
<v Speaker 2>researching other ways to save money in your landscape. So
<v Speaker 2>on that note, we've got to take a little break
<v Speaker 2>and when we come back, we're opening up the garden
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<v Speaker 2>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show
<v Speaker 2>where you know we're getting to crunch time here. People
<v Speaker 2>are going to start having a lot of questions. So
<v Speaker 2>this is the part of the show where we help
<v Speaker 2>you with those garden questions, quandaries and conundrums. So if
<v Speaker 2>you have one of those that you're suddenly starting to
<v Speaker 2>remember from last year or thinking about what's coming up.
<v Speaker 2>Of course, there's lots of pruning questions at this time
<v Speaker 2>of the year, and we have tons of resources on
<v Speaker 2>our website, proven Winners color Choice dot com for all
<v Speaker 2>of your pruning needs. You can find individual plant pruning
<v Speaker 2>tips on our plant pages, or we have lots and
<v Speaker 2>lots of articles about pruning, including pruning hydranges as well,
<v Speaker 2>because boy, there's no other plant people ask more about
<v Speaker 2>pruning than hydranges. But if you do want to reach
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<v Speaker 2>and I've definitely seen an uptick in questions and we
<v Speaker 2>have some good ones this week.
<v Speaker 1>So who's on deck, Nicole asked us. Hi, I live
<v Speaker 1>in burn, Newfoundland, Canada. I grow approximately thirty different roses
<v Speaker 1>and last year had almost all of them affected by whitefly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeis yeah gross, I threw that in.
<v Speaker 2>There, but yeah, I mean, anyone who knows knows.
<v Speaker 1>I tried some of the simpler approaches, like spray with
<v Speaker 1>soapy water, but I think it only succeeded in causing
<v Speaker 1>some black spots because of too much moisture on the leaves.
<v Speaker 1>I even thought about stripping all the leaves from the
<v Speaker 1>affected roses. Eventually I just gave up lived with it.
<v Speaker 1>The rest of the season. Blooms were all still beautiful,
<v Speaker 1>but the leaves look terrible clouds of white fly if
<v Speaker 1>you touched the plant. Any suggestions for this coming season,
<v Speaker 1>as I would love to see them looking in better
<v Speaker 1>condition next year. I feel your pain, Nicole.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you you know white fly is primarily a greenhouse pest,
<v Speaker 2>so I'm sure you have more than delta with white flight.
<v Speaker 1>Something you want to take home with them.
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, no, yeah, so they're little tiny white flies
<v Speaker 2>are actually related to aphids, they're not true flies. And
<v Speaker 2>if you have them, you know because yeah, when you
<v Speaker 2>get close to the plant, a big cloud of white
<v Speaker 2>flies go up, and because they are related to aphids,
<v Speaker 2>they suck the plant juices. They secrete all of those
<v Speaker 2>juices back onto the plant, so it gets sticky and
<v Speaker 2>moldy and horrendous. But me, yes, honey dew. But we've
<v Speaker 2>already given you the key for most of us to
<v Speaker 2>resolving white flight in your landscape, which is that they
<v Speaker 2>actually can't survive winter in anything but the warmest climates.
<v Speaker 2>So when someone in a cold climate like Nicole here
<v Speaker 2>gets white fly in the landscape, chances are that is
<v Speaker 2>an infestation that came in from something that you brought
<v Speaker 2>in from a garden center or a neighbor brought in
<v Speaker 2>from a garden center. They're very common on vegetable plants, especially,
<v Speaker 2>so you know, no malfeasance here, No one of course,
<v Speaker 2>had any bad intention, but basically, yeah, that's what's going
<v Speaker 2>to happen, is this white fly is going to come in.
<v Speaker 2>So the good news, Nicol is that you don't suddenly
<v Speaker 2>have white fly inhabiting your garden. I think for most
<v Speaker 2>of us in the US, we and you're in Canada,
<v Speaker 2>of course, have had a cold enough winter that even
<v Speaker 2>in warm climates where white flies would normally over winter,
<v Speaker 2>probably not gonna happen this year, And certainly for you.
<v Speaker 2>I know Newfoundland has had a pretty intense winter up
<v Speaker 2>there as well, so last year's white flies are a
<v Speaker 2>thing of the past. But I would also say the
<v Speaker 2>fact that you did get them does imply that it
<v Speaker 2>could happen again, whether it's again from some garden center
<v Speaker 2>where people are buying plants or whatever. So number one,
<v Speaker 2>just to be safe, make sure, and this is good
<v Speaker 2>advice for anyone who has roses, clean up any of
<v Speaker 2>that fallen foliage or any other plant parts that are
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. Clean that away, throw it away. That
<v Speaker 2>will help a lot for both fungal diseases and pasts.
<v Speaker 2>And then I would say consider putting down a sticky trap.
<v Speaker 2>We're not putting down, you don't really put it down,
<v Speaker 2>but we use sticky traps extensively in the greenhouses. It's
<v Speaker 2>a very important monitoring tool and it's just a little
<v Speaker 2>yellow card that's sticky on both sides. And what those
<v Speaker 2>do is they kind of serve as like an early
<v Speaker 2>warning system because when you start to get white fly,
<v Speaker 2>it's not like all of a sudden you have this
<v Speaker 2>massive infestation of white fly. It starts just like with aphis.
<v Speaker 2>It starts a little bit. You might have a few,
<v Speaker 2>you could miss them, and then they can reproduce so fast.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, aphis can be born already bearing the next
<v Speaker 2>generation of aphids. It's a wild thing. But by putting
<v Speaker 2>out a sticky card, now you're going to be able
<v Speaker 2>to look at that and say, oh, gosh, well, okay,
<v Speaker 2>last week there was one white fly on it. This
<v Speaker 2>week there's seven. I'm going to have to start monitoring
<v Speaker 2>for white flies and then you can take action if
<v Speaker 2>you need to. But that's the thing about whitefly. Much
<v Speaker 2>easier to manage if you're doing it early in the infestation.
<v Speaker 2>Then it's you know, by the time that you notice
<v Speaker 2>that it's an issue, and.
<v Speaker 1>Easier to manage if you focus, in my opinion, on
<v Speaker 1>the undersides of the leaves. That's where the eggs are laid,
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, it can be kind of difficult
<v Speaker 1>to you know, it's easy to spray over the top
<v Speaker 1>getting the undersides of the foliage is key. As you
<v Speaker 1>monitor as Stacey had suggested with it, which I think
<v Speaker 1>is a great idea, and you start to see the whitefly,
<v Speaker 1>you're going to have to attack the undersides of the foliage.
<v Speaker 1>The garden center industries approach is something that a number
<v Speaker 1>of people are going to say, no, I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to use that. But there is a product by the
<v Speaker 1>Bear Company which is a systemic product and that's often
<v Speaker 1>sold in garden centers taken up by the plant systemically
<v Speaker 1>does a pretty good job in controlling whitefly. But of
<v Speaker 1>course there are a number of people who don't want
<v Speaker 1>to use it because of polinies.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, and it's a valid concern. And I would
<v Speaker 2>also say again, I would kind of take a wait
<v Speaker 2>and see in an monitoring approach this year, because it's
<v Speaker 2>very likely whitefly will not continue to be an issue.
<v Speaker 2>But one less little word of advice here, as a
<v Speaker 2>gardener with long hair who has worked in plenty of greenhouses,
<v Speaker 2>watch out for those sticky cards. It is not a
<v Speaker 2>pleasant experience. In Adriana if you haven't seen her, also
<v Speaker 2>has long hair and she's over there shaking her heads.
<v Speaker 2>So just a little heads up for anyone planning to
<v Speaker 2>monitor pest infestations with sticky card.
<v Speaker 1>It does happen. It's like people with the sticky notes
<v Speaker 1>and they slap your back right right.
<v Speaker 2>And then they think me, and you know it's happened
<v Speaker 2>to me. You get your hair in it, and then
<v Speaker 2>you stand up and the card is stuck to your
<v Speaker 2>hair and it's all covered in nasty bugs. So just
<v Speaker 2>a little you know, speaking from experience, just want to
<v Speaker 2>put it out there, very good reason to have your
<v Speaker 2>hair back. When your garden.
<v Speaker 1>Mary ass Hi, Rick and Stacy, can you recommend some
<v Speaker 1>shrubs or small trees that would be considered low pollen.
<v Speaker 1>I want to plant a screening hedge, but my neighbor
<v Speaker 1>on that side claims that she has very bad pollen allergies.
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping that if I get some low pollen shrubs,
<v Speaker 1>I can head off problems. Bonus if the shrubs are evergreen.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you know this is such an issue, so
<v Speaker 2>many people will, you know, get really panicked about the
<v Speaker 2>possibility of allergies being triggered by pollen, and for good reason,
<v Speaker 2>because when you know certain plants are putting out their
<v Speaker 2>pollen like an oak you know, comes to mind for
<v Speaker 2>us here in Michigan and certainly in the South, it's blanketed,
<v Speaker 2>it's everywhere, And yeah, of course it's very irritating. Pollen
<v Speaker 2>irritates all of our lungs. Some people will have a
<v Speaker 2>very bad allergic reaction. But pollen is an irritant for
<v Speaker 2>literally everything that has lungs. But that is the exact thing.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times, most people will blame the attractive
<v Speaker 2>plants for causing or triggering the pollen allergies because they're
<v Speaker 2>the showier ones. They are the culprits. So whether that's
<v Speaker 2>a rose or a lilac or whatever. Oh, the lilacs
<v Speaker 2>are in bloom. So the lilacs are, you know, inflaming
<v Speaker 2>my allergies. Actually, it's the oaks and the wind pollinated
<v Speaker 2>plants that are causing allergy problems. And you have you
<v Speaker 2>have no control over it, none whatsoever. And the thing
<v Speaker 2>is they go a notice because their flowers are very nondescript. Basically,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the general kind of guideline here is that
<v Speaker 2>any flower that you would look at and say, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's a pretty flower is generally not going to be
<v Speaker 2>an issue for your allergies. Why for the simple reason
<v Speaker 2>that the flower exists in that specific form that we
<v Speaker 2>find attractive only to attract pollinators like bees, and therefore
<v Speaker 2>that pollen is only leaving that flower on the back
<v Speaker 2>of a bee or butterfly or some other pollinator. That
<v Speaker 2>pollen on those plants is very, very sticky, it's very heavy,
<v Speaker 2>and it is intended to only be picked up by
<v Speaker 2>a pollinating insect or a paintbrush or a curious finger
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So those aren't the kind that get into
<v Speaker 2>the air and irritate your allergies. It's the wind pollinated
<v Speaker 2>stuff oaks, pines, use, I mean, the list goes on
<v Speaker 2>and on, bruce spruce that are are going to you know,
<v Speaker 2>fill the air and you're going to breathe that in.
<v Speaker 2>And so unfortunately, there's nothing you can really do about
<v Speaker 2>that because those plants just exist around. But for your neighbor,
<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, no one wants to invite it in,
<v Speaker 2>like right next to their house. So she has a
<v Speaker 2>very good point there. So again, if you're picking a
<v Speaker 2>flowering hedge, you want evergreens, something like a rhododendron will
<v Speaker 2>do well. Won't be able to trim it, but that's
<v Speaker 2>going to have flowers that are not going to you know,
<v Speaker 2>put pollen out into the air. It's going to have
<v Speaker 2>evergreen coverage. Of course, hydrangeas, lilacs, all sorts of different things,
<v Speaker 2>anything with that conventionally attractive flower if you do insist
<v Speaker 2>on in evergreen. I did read about one interesting solution,
<v Speaker 2>and that is I'm not sure where you were located, Mary,
<v Speaker 2>but a female you or taxis now a female version
<v Speaker 2>of a plant. So when a plant is dioecious, has
<v Speaker 2>separate male and female flowers on separate plants, the female
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have any pollen. Only the male plants have pollen.
<v Speaker 2>So if you have a female you, it is not
<v Speaker 2>going to put out a single grain of pollen. It
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have the organs that it needs to do that. No,
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that there's not male U pollen in
<v Speaker 2>the air. It's not going to be more attracted to
<v Speaker 2>the female US because that's not how it works. It
<v Speaker 2>just floats around on the air and where it lands,
<v Speaker 2>it lands. But if you are looking for something that's
<v Speaker 2>a conventional hedge, I think doing some research on specifically
<v Speaker 2>female U varieties. These are the ones that get the
<v Speaker 2>red berries. So if you can find those. You can
<v Speaker 2>have an evergreen that's not going to trigger the allergies.
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering about female holly, deciduous holly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that should work too.
<v Speaker 1>You know if you have like a berry poppins.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if that might be, and the male would work too,
<v Speaker 2>because that's another case where they're insect pollinated. Yes, so
<v Speaker 2>you could even mix them in that case. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's I didn't think of at a holly, but that's
<v Speaker 2>a great choice. There's all sorts of wonderful holies for
<v Speaker 2>hedges that you could consider. So we got to take
<v Speaker 2>a little break. When we come back, we are continuing
<v Speaker 2>our conversation on energy efficient plants, so stay tuned. Thanks
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. I'm sure we
<v Speaker 1>have listeners and viewers who remember nineteen eighty eight Information
<v Speaker 1>Society their song Pure Energy. I love that song. I
<v Speaker 1>use it when I work out and it's a great
<v Speaker 1>gardening song.
<v Speaker 2>Tom Wow.
<v Speaker 1>So just a suggestion, pure energy information society, a blast
<v Speaker 1>from the past.
<v Speaker 2>It is a blast from the past, so to speak.
<v Speaker 1>On south and west walls of your home, maybe consider
<v Speaker 1>some trellises with vines. That's a way to cool the home.
<v Speaker 1>They can be cooling filters. Again, coming from the garden
<v Speaker 1>center industry, I have worked for many years in greenhouses
<v Speaker 1>that have evaporation pads we would call them, or cooling
<v Speaker 1>cells or pads that are on one end of the greenhouse.
<v Speaker 1>Water is run through these pads and then the fans
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the greenhouse draw that air
<v Speaker 1>through and you feel that cool air. Again. I don't
<v Speaker 1>think it's a fig leaf of my imagination that if
<v Speaker 1>I put vines on a chain link fence or vines
<v Speaker 1>on a trellis and when we get those summer breezes,
<v Speaker 1>it's able to permeate through the foliage to a degree
<v Speaker 1>and cool in the process. I'm just completely sold on that.
<v Speaker 1>In addition, in saving water, I just can't believe the
<v Speaker 1>number of fabulous drought resistant and heat resistant plants that
<v Speaker 1>are available today. I mean, you look at a simple
<v Speaker 1>perennial like phenomenal lavender. Yeah, I mean plant it and
<v Speaker 1>step away, provided your drainage is good.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, got no problem there. But yeah, that plan
<v Speaker 2>has done so great for me.
<v Speaker 1>So it makes all kinds of sense. And then, of course,
<v Speaker 1>remember heat exchange in a home occurs through three major processes.
<v Speaker 1>You have air infiltration, heat conduction, and transmission of radiant
<v Speaker 1>energy through windows. Here in the north, you're going to
<v Speaker 1>want to use those windows in winter. Using deciduous plants,
<v Speaker 1>I think it makes a world of difference. The air
<v Speaker 1>infiltration issue can be dealt with by creating a screen
<v Speaker 1>that is strategically placed in the yard. Again, I'm recommending
<v Speaker 1>a combination of evergreen and deciduous. If you're planting a
<v Speaker 1>shrub stacy, they recommend, for example, if a shrub is
<v Speaker 1>ten feet tall, to plant it maybe twenty to fifty
<v Speaker 1>feet from your home. I'm just thinking about this because
<v Speaker 1>I live on the shores of Lake Michigan. I can
<v Speaker 1>walk down to the shoreline the beach, so to speak,
<v Speaker 1>and the wind will be blowing and it's cold and
<v Speaker 1>you can hardly stand it. In winter, I go over
<v Speaker 1>the dune onto the back dune where my home is.
<v Speaker 1>It's a whole other world. Yeah, so if you're able
<v Speaker 1>to deflect some of that wind and create a wind break,
<v Speaker 1>it makes a world of difference. Of course, mulching plants
<v Speaker 1>properly super important. To deal with water and making sure
<v Speaker 1>that your plants are watered properly. Now, of course, planting
<v Speaker 1>perennials are going to require some energy from you, but
<v Speaker 1>it's manageable, Stacy. I'm amazed from time to time people
<v Speaker 1>will say to me, oh, two of my favorites. I
<v Speaker 1>don't do roses or ornamental grasses because it's too much
<v Speaker 1>work or cannas too much work. And I'm like, it's
<v Speaker 1>all relative to your r oi because think about it,
<v Speaker 1>a lawn does help cool the earth, but there's a
<v Speaker 1>tremendous amount of inputs that go into maintaining a lawn.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and never mind your own time exactly, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and some people love to mow the lawn, but a
<v Speaker 2>great many people also consider it a chore where they
<v Speaker 2>would rather be, you know, sitting in the shade enjoying
<v Speaker 2>the yard rather than mowing the lawn. So yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how lawn care gets some sort of
<v Speaker 2>free pass is not being like high maintenance plants and
<v Speaker 2>people say, oh, a rose is too much work, or
<v Speaker 2>you know this, that or the other. I mean, that's
<v Speaker 2>why I took my lawn out. There's been all that
<v Speaker 2>energy of you know, more interesting plants than grass.
<v Speaker 1>Well you touched on this in segment two, Stacy, but
<v Speaker 1>I was going to mention that again, as far as
<v Speaker 1>energy savings are concerned, if we can go vertical, fastigit
<v Speaker 1>plant deciduous plants, they're impactful. So I'm thinking things like
<v Speaker 1>skinny fit ginko, the pillar rose of sharon fine line buckthorn,
<v Speaker 1>a skinny shade for the west side of your home.
<v Speaker 1>I think that that makes a world of difference thinking
<v Speaker 1>about the hottest part of the day sun loving plants,
<v Speaker 1>as we've talked about our plants that can handle the
<v Speaker 1>sun from two to five pm in the afternoon, so
<v Speaker 1>the hottest part of the day and Caliicanthus sweet shrub
<v Speaker 1>and the desert orchid Chetolpa. Yes, we're on my list
<v Speaker 1>because if you think about it during the growing season,
<v Speaker 1>you get really quick, immediate impact and growth because of
<v Speaker 1>their size and their ability to cool the air I.
<v Speaker 2>Think is significant definitely, and they don't take out much space.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly Viburnum's, I think are another great choice. And then
<v Speaker 1>looking at Holly's Skybox, Hedge Strong Box or the Castle
<v Speaker 1>series of Holly all good plants. I remember years ago
<v Speaker 1>in the garden center we would sell tons and tons
<v Speaker 1>of privet. Talk about a boring plant. But I'm excited
<v Speaker 1>because last fall I bought Good Vibrations.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you did, and I.
<v Speaker 1>Am excited about how this thing may be able to
<v Speaker 1>do some screening for me. I think it's going to
<v Speaker 1>be a cool plant. The foliage certainly is, yes, very yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So I got something nice there to look forward to.
<v Speaker 1>Arborvide's of course, North Pole, full Speed Aheadge or Green Giant,
<v Speaker 1>any of your arbor vitis are also going to be
<v Speaker 1>able to provide some screening for you.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I would add about Arborvidy. I think
<v Speaker 2>when most people think about, hey, I need a windbreak
<v Speaker 2>or you know something like that, they immediately their mind
<v Speaker 2>goes to Arborvidy. And for good reason. You know a
<v Speaker 2>lot of Arborvidy. You mentioned green giants, Emerald green, very
<v Speaker 2>inexpensive plants. So if you are trying to do this
<v Speaker 2>on a budget and you just need that functionality and
<v Speaker 2>you're not super concerned about like the best aesthetics. Those
<v Speaker 2>are such a great choice as long as you don't
<v Speaker 2>have dear Yeah, course exactly, And they're not necessarily the
<v Speaker 2>most heat tolerant. Some arbivities are more heat tolerant than others.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean they're They're just a no brainer.
<v Speaker 2>And very often you know, if you're if you really
<v Speaker 2>are planting to slow down the wind, you have a
<v Speaker 2>larger property, especially in spring out your conservation departments DNR,
<v Speaker 2>a conservation district, anything like that, they very often have
<v Speaker 2>free or very inexpensive plants specifically for these purposes.
<v Speaker 1>Now, as far as water conservation is concerned, I'm someone
<v Speaker 1>and I see some people doing this, but I think
<v Speaker 1>more people should do it. And that is terracing. So
<v Speaker 1>if you have a slope, many of us have slopes
<v Speaker 1>in our landscape, slopes are ridiculous as it relates to
<v Speaker 1>trying to slow and deep trickle water into plants or
<v Speaker 1>water conservation. So I really believe that terracing makes a
<v Speaker 1>big difference. When you're dealing with a slope. It's a
<v Speaker 1>natural condition that you're dealing with, but terracing and using
<v Speaker 1>a variety again of evergreen and deciduous plants. I really
<v Speaker 1>think helps if you're providing screening but also water conservation,
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to run off like it would on
<v Speaker 1>a standard slope. So consider terracing also to be very,
<v Speaker 1>very important. And then, of course, Stacey, I'd be remiss
<v Speaker 1>if I didn't say that some plants are energy in themselves,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking about biofuels. Corn is the king in
<v Speaker 1>the world of ethanol based biofuels. You've got canola or
<v Speaker 1>rape seed oil, soybean, sugarcane, and then my favorite and
<v Speaker 1>a plant I love in my landscape switchgrass or panicum.
<v Speaker 1>And this plant has the greatest potential to cure our
<v Speaker 1>addiction to the use of fossil fuels according to experts,
<v Speaker 1>so it's probably high on the list of biofuels. Switchgrass
<v Speaker 1>isn't gonna make any difference in your landscape other than
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to grow and they're beautiful. And I love
<v Speaker 1>panicum or switchgrass. Talking energy, I got to take the
<v Speaker 1>chance to give it a little shout out and a plug.
<v Speaker 2>I think that people expect that from you now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly exactly. So let's look forward to a hot
<v Speaker 1>summer and let's prepare for it, and do some planning. Stacy,
<v Speaker 1>this has been fun.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, maybe not that out of a summer, because
<v Speaker 2>everybody who's taking action on the show, they're going to
<v Speaker 2>need a little time for their plans to get the
<v Speaker 2>size so hot summer in a couple of years down
<v Speaker 2>the line.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thanks Stacy, thank you, Thanks Adriana. Thanks to you
<v Speaker 1>who watch us on YouTube, listen to our radio version
<v Speaker 1>of the show, or tune in the podcast on a
<v Speaker 1>weekly basis. We appreciate it. Have a great week.