Hour 2 – Criticizing Quarterbacks, Chris Simms

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Speaker 3: Dub in this one eight seven seven three DP Show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We've talked about quarterbacks. We certainly did in the first hour that felt like there was I don't know piling on last night on Thursday Night Football with Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman talking about Russell Wilson not being a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: We watch Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray has as much talent as anybody who's played that position. It feels like, and I think I've said this many times and I would say it too Kyler Murray, it almost came too easy for him. And this isn't all on him, but I still believe sometimes when you have too much talent. You think you can get away with more. You try to extend the play. Lamar Jackson does this, Caleb Williams does this. Kyler Murray trying to make a play. You're so used to making a play. I could do this in high school, I could do this in college. You can't do this consistently in the NFL. And Lamar Jackson's doing less of this, even though he just got sacked what seven times by the Lions. Kyler Murray got sacked what six times last night? Those are horrible numbers. He shouldn't be getting sacked that many times now. Granted, offensive lines they vary and how good they are, but a quarterback can still get rid of the ball. I don't care how good the rush is. You can still get rid of the ball. And I think a lot of these quarterbacks now don't want to throw, whether take a chance for an interception or an incompletion. Everybody is kind of caught up in these numbers here certainly touchdown to interception ratio. And I brought it up yesterday that somebody had told me it was Russ trying to guard his numbers because the last drive that he had the Giants you throw it out of the end zone like he threw passes that couldn't be caught by anybody, and you didn't give your team a chance. And somebody former quarterback said, sometimes you start to guard your stats late in your career. And Russ has the fifth best touchdown to interception ratio in the history of the game. He was fourth a month ago. But last night Richard Sherman, former teammate and Tony Gonzalez, said, basically, Russ is washed and the Legion of Boom is the reason why he was successful in Seattle. I don't think either of those are correct. Do I think he could still play for the Bengals. Would he be an upgrade over Jake Browning?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that, and I do the Legion of Boom was unbelievable. But Russ in the last five years put up incredible numbers for a team that didn't have a good defense. The offense stayed the same, scoring twenty five points on averag The defense was giving up twenty five points, but Russ did his part. The last couple of years haven't been good at all, And I think recency bias. Everybody has his strong opinion about Russell Wilson. Cam Newton had some things to say about two a tongue of Iiloa. He said that he's making more than Mahomes and Herbert Lamar Jackson, Hurts Mayfield, Stafford, Jaden Daniels, and he is trying to put things into perspective. He sees Tua and it feels like he's not all in. He said, when you're being paid what you're asked to do, what you have the capability of, from one quarterback to another, I look at the situation like, come on, dog, especially when you've got a Ferrari and a Lamborghini and other amenities that other quarterbacks don't or wish they had. So that's you know, you have Jalen Waddle, have Tyreek Kill. So here is Tua talking about Cam Newton.

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Speaker 6: Anybody can play quarterback in this league, then, I mean I want to see anybody on the streets come and play quarterback. I mean, Cam Cam's doing his thing, for sure, but you know, to it's I think it's easier to be able to hold a clicker and talk about it that way, or talk about what someone else is doing wrong when you're you're not going out and having to do the same as them, right.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's it's it's all.

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Speaker 6: It's easy to do that. I think anybody can do that. I don't think anybody can play quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Well, to hold on, Cam was an MVP. Cam went to a Super Bowl. Cam was a great quarterback. He's not a clipboard holder. He's not Chase Daniel breaking down film or Dan or Lobsky. Well, no, I like he could critique those guys because they didn't play at a high level, okay, or as often. But now all of a sudden, you know, you can take anybody off the street. That's not what Cam was saying. You have weapons, you're accurate, and you should be better. And he played the position. Now if I say it, Tua can say what does he know? And he would be right. But you can't say that about Cam Newton. Cam played the position at a very high level. He helped carry an offense to the Super Bowl. I mean to get to the postseason and win a game, and yes, this is what happens. You know, you got a big you got a big contract, and you didn't deserve that contract. They never should have given you that contract based off your health and some of the results against quality teams. They should have made you play one more year and then franchise you, and then franchise you. They went all in and they'll regret that. But Cam has every right to be able to be critical of your quarterback plaque. He's not a clipboard holder. Let's see a couple of phone calls in here a Seaton. What's the whole question for hour or two? We got two of them up there. Let's see we put two up for our one. We have vikings. Letting Sam Donald leave was right at the time, or we'll haunt them. We'll hunt them as sixty two percent of that vote the NFL franchise that.

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Speaker 2: How many times were you voting PAULI for? That will haunt them.

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Speaker 7: I'm not a hunter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're a Sam Donalder.

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Speaker 7: I'm a donaldist.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're a Donald. Oh my god, early.

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Speaker 3: You were in Early. I didn't hear from you when he was in like Carolina and some of these other places. Lying and you were playing the longest Okay, it was a big forty nine ers era.

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Speaker 4: Huge Now that they got a real quarterback, Watch out, Sam and I are.

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Speaker 2: Playing the law game, Dan, What else do you have?

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Speaker 3: NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year. Your options. There are Cardinals, Brown's, Jets, other right now the Jets.

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Speaker 2: I would have voted for the Jets as well. I would that's a mess, you know, when you see. I saw a Jets fan.

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Speaker 3: He had his jersey on and he was in the supermarket on Sunday and I said, hey, good luck, and he looked at me and he goes about what And I said, no, your team. He goes, oh, we need more in luck, we need talent, And I said, okay, I don't know. Seems like they're on an uptick with Aaron Glenn nearly pulled out the win against Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be nice, you know.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what's maybe more frustrating about the Jets. I think they have a talented roster. I mean, they've got a very good wide receiver, a very good cornerback, Sauce. They were aggressive trying to get even when they traded up for Sanchez. They are aggressive. They spend and it never works. They are not a franchise that doesn't spend or doesn't try things and it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think they've had good coaches, haven't been able to find, you know, their next Joe Namath And I don't know. It just always feels like it's an inferior product because you're playing in giant stadium.

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Speaker 2: You're the Jets and you play in giant stadium, Yes, Todd.

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Speaker 5: How does one gauge a culture change, which is what Aaron Glenn spoke about before he took the job, Other than wins and losses, when how many moral victories can you have? You know, as far as a culture change and going in the right direction if you're not still winning.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been involved in something like that where it's a culture change. I was hoping for one my first year at Eastern Kentucky, but then I realized that I was the one who was going to have to change. You are the culture change. Let's get rid of that guy. Yeah, get rid of Golden Boy. By golly, Golden Boy, get out of here. But I don't, you know, Dan Campbell, that's a culture change. I think Pete Carroll had a culture change, whether it was with USC or Seattle. I remember asking Pete, I said, man, you're leaving USC to go to Seattle, And he said, there's a that's a hidden I forget what it was, but it was something hidden. There's a lot of talent there and he was probably getting away from USC with sanctions.

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Speaker 2: Loomy.

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Speaker 3: Let me see Zach and Knoxville. Hey, Zach, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 8: Hedp? Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Two things.

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Speaker 9: One, everything you were just saying about Tua and what Cam said minus to injuries, I would put on Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 10: I don't think.

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Speaker 8: He's a starting quarterback in.

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Speaker 10: The league and that's just my take.

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Speaker 8: And to take a big left turn.

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Speaker 9: Since you dabble in the arts, I wanted to know if you have any comments on the ri Odd Comedy Festival that's coming up, since it's seen like sports washing is making its way into other avenues of entertainment.

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Speaker 3: I haven't delved into it. I don't know anything about who's going to be over there. I know Shane Gillis turned it down, but I have no idea who's going to be involved in it. So thanks for the phone call. Zac James in Austin, Hi James, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey Bee?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 2: You doing man good?

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Speaker 3: I had a T shirt idea okay, and maybe it's.

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Speaker 11: More of a philosophy for how fast Todd goes off the rails but gone in forty seconds?

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Speaker 3: Ooh man, one of my favorite movies, by the way, Gone in sixty seconds, Angelina, jo Lee, Nicholas Cage, Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 7: Is that a good bad movie or a good hockey movie?

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Speaker 2: But see they could have been The Fast and Furious?

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Speaker 8: Were they first?

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Speaker 3: Or I think they had a checking I think they had it. Nicholas Cage, his name like Montana Range or something like that something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Memphis Rains, give me.

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Speaker 2: A blue though, Giovanni Ribisi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but Angeline and Julie. It was like sort of like the tweaker engine guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Robert, Robert Duval, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 12: The best part is that's not to me. That's not even his best great bad movie. It's Connye the accent alone. I told you I was going to get that doll back. However you said it, John Malkovich.

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Speaker 7: Nicholas Cage plays Cameron Poe and Conny Air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how about pig.

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Speaker 4: Different eras though that's different. You can't include the pig era in the con Air the rock era.

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Speaker 2: I want my pig, I want my pig.

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Speaker 7: Gone in sixty seconds, came out one year before.

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Speaker 2: They could have been Fast and Furious, and.

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Speaker 7: You're before Fast and Furious. Yes, better hockey movie. Gone in sixty seconds, original Fast and Furious.

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Speaker 3: That's insulting to the Fast and Furious franchise.

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Speaker 2: Fast and Furious. Hey had it.

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Speaker 3: As soon as I saw it, I said, oh my god, you got great cars and hot women. That was the original table that it should have been. It should have been hot women, great cars.

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Speaker 5: Yes time, I'm embarrassed to say I was gone in like fifteen seconds. But everyone's different.

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Speaker 2: Than find a break, Take a break.

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Speaker 3: More phone calls coming up these Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live, co host, also his podcast Unbuttoned and a contributor to Football Night in America. Where is this dislike discrediting, hatred or whatever it might be? With Russell Wilson coming from that, now it's a topic is he playing his way out of the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, I mean, you know, first off, I don't think I had him in the Hall of Fame anyways, So I think that's still a debatable topic there a little bit, all right, NFL legend, right, one of the better quarterbacks of our era for sure, but hall of Fame. I'm not really ready to say that about Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: Now. The criticism, you know, again, I.

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Speaker 15: Think a lot of it has to do with his play, and I think a little bit has to do with his personality and how he's viewed, not only by the public, but how people view him. I think in the football world, in locker room stuff like that. Right, We've seen a number of locker rooms that, Yeah, Russell Wilson's a nice guy, But is he a leader?

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Speaker 8: Is he one of the guys? Right?

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Speaker 15: Is he respected like one of the guys? I think that's been debatable at certain places. There was a lot of talk of that last year in Pittsburgh, Denver. You didn't hear anybody there sticking up going, man, he really got a raw deal there, right, You didn't really hear about it in Seattle either, and he kind of forced his way out of that situation. So I think between that acting maybe like he's a Hall of Famer and then playing like he's barely a starter in the NFL, that's probably where we are right now. As far as the criticism around Russell Wilson, it feels like Matthew Stafford is a bro and he'd never been a Pro Bowl quarterback or one time, never been an MVP, right, but he won a Super Bowl, Yeah, and that feels like that alone is going to get him into the Hall of Fame. Well, I think there's some different circumstances there where I go. You know, Matthew Stafford for me for a while, was the only reason Detroit was ever in any conversations about being in the playoffs at all. Right, he was almost his own worst enemy in the fact that he was so good he made them eight to eight and they might have gotten the playoffs or didn't but lost them the first round or whatever, and people say, oh, look, he couldn't get in the playoffs or he choked in the playoffs, when it was like, no, they weren't really a playoff team. They got there because he's so amazing. So that's where I would stick up for him. He was the football team there, and then you saw as soon as he got with a team that could support.

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Speaker 8: Him at all, it was like, Boom, I'm gonna win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 15: And Russell Wilson's I think, is a little different than that, where Hey, some good years, certainly, but we know the legion of Boom and that defense and run game.

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Speaker 8: Were the most important parts of that football team early on in his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can look at this and say that Russ got with a team that was really good and he won. He went to two Super Bowls, Whereas when he's not with a good team, he still took Pittsburgh to the playoffs.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he took Putsford the playoffs.

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Speaker 15: But the passing offense and everything around him has been the question, right, And I don't think that's been the question around Matthew Stafford. We are never like, I don't know if the passing offense is gonna work with Matthew Stafford. We've gotten to a point here where you've seen one of the greatest offensive mines in the history of football. And Sean Payton go through a half a year ago it ain't gonna work. It's not gonna work. We're going to ask him to take off the guarantees of his contract next year. That's how much it's not gonna work. I'm gonna bench him for Jared Stidham. So I think with all of that, and then yeah, last year there was some moments, but again he's limited in what he can do.

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Speaker 8: Dan right, because he can't run and scramble anymore.

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Speaker 15: He's not very good playing within the pocket, and he doesn't really work at whole offense.

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Speaker 8: He's never surgical, as I would say.

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Speaker 2: But he was up a resume, Chris. He had.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he built up a ten year career and whether you value Pro Bowls or not.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, I hear you, And I respect all of that. I do.

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Speaker 15: He had a lot of awesome years. There's no doubt about that. And I'm not saying I'm right about the Hall of Fame thing. That's just my opinion, and I'm sure there's other people that are smart in football that may be differ in that. So I understand the resume and all that, but I also think within the resume and resume, the team he had and all that, it was set up so perfectly for him to look awesome, right, and he obviously.

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Speaker 8: Didn't like it there.

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Speaker 15: He wanted to be more of a guy like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes where everything was around him, and we're seeing that the physical talents are not there of that like those guys right there, and he can't do it.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Chris Sim's Pro Football Talk Live co host, the show that preceiges hours on Peacock, you can see him on Football Night in America. How long should we wait for Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 15: I think we've waited long enough. There's no longer, there's no longer to wait. It's like, hey, dude, you gotta make some plays. We got to win some football games. We got to win some of these tough post games here. Yeah, Kyler Murray is the guy that's floating in that area of He's got some talent that makes you think he could be a top ten quarterback or elite, but there's other issues in his game that make him look real average. And you saw the game last night, there's lots of moments there where yeah, it is real average, and you expect him to make a few plays on the run that he didn't make last night some of those throws.

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Speaker 8: So, yeah, I'm a.

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Speaker 15: Little disappointed in Kyler Murray. I expected more out of him by this time of his career. And yeah, he's getting to that point where if some results don't happen, you know, they're gonna be looking for changes out there in Arizona in the next year or two. And Marvin Harrison was a sure thing. Well he was yeah to a lot. You know, I knew he was really good. You know, you're talking to one guy here that when I you know, I thought it was a little.

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Speaker 8: Overhyped coming out right.

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Speaker 15: I mean again, really good, And I know he can still be really good.

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Speaker 8: He's on the right path.

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Speaker 15: The problem is is people tried to make him like the greatest superstar ever. And I was like, wait, I mean, there wasn't a ton of separation in college. I don't see slants where he went for eighty yards after Meanwhile, those guys we saw at LSU Molik Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, who are the guys I had at the top of Lewis that year. I was going, they're running by everybody, They're leaving everybody in the dust. Right, So I think all of that has kind of played into this Marvin Harrison thing. Let alone, their offense isn't great as well, so that doesn't lend itself to great passing yards and stats either.

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Speaker 3: How often does this happen? What happened to Cam Newton with Tua? Because two is saying, Oh, you know, anybody I guess can play quarterback and you know you can? He like, how dare you criticize him? And I was I was surprised that two has said that since we know that you know, Cam had a pretty storied career, but you didn't have that. But you're a great analyst. How often do you get what do you know about the position? Or how dare you critique me?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: That's always I mean, you know, I haven't got that from players and anything like that.

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, most people in the NFL.

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Speaker 15: No, I'm pretty connected and obsessed with the sport and study it like mad and know what I'm talking about a little bit. Now, I get that from fans and I see that on my social media.

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Speaker 8: Like, oh, your career sucked? How could you talk about this guy?

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Speaker 15: You know? All? So I always hear that type of stuff that comes with the job. That does mean I'm not good at evaluating players and knowing the game and understanding it that way either. And I can talk it really good too. So yeah, there's all that. And you know, again, one of my themes of my year on my podcast at all of that a little bit is, you know, is to challenge some of these teams and what they've done with these quarterback contracts.

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Speaker 8: Hey to us being paid like.

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Speaker 15: He's Lamar, like he's Josh Allen, like he's Patrick Mahomes, Then sorry, team, I'm gonna blame you. I want to see those results that I'm gonna blame that quarterback too.

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Speaker 8: I am.

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Speaker 15: I don't know where we've gotten to this mold that we're gonna pay the quarterback four times more as much money than the best players on the football team, even when the quarterbacks are middle of the road in the NFL and nobody in football is gonna pay two of fifty five million dollars a year. I mean, they literally negotiated against themselves. So now they want to wonder why they're in this spot. And when you make when you make a statements that I can't do half the things Josh Allen does when you're getting ready to play them, and you're being paid just like them, and and okay, the rubber meets the road there. That doesn't make sense. And I feel like we have a little of that in the NFL right now, where there's four or five guys that deserve to be paid like they are everybody else. I want to go, it's a little crazy, and agents and gms have fooled the rest of the world that the quarterbacks are so much worth more money than everybody else on the football team.

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Speaker 3: Should the Cowboys acknowledge Micah Parsons in a.

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Speaker 2: Celebratory way prior to the game?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm old school.

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Speaker 15: I don't give a damn if they do, right, But at the same time, it would probably be the classy thing to do to make a little acknowledgment for one of the better players there that they've had in recent history, who also, you know, lefts.

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Speaker 8: In a little bit of a weird situation, right, I mean just a little bit, just a little.

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Speaker 15: Bit, and we took under the you know, you know, below the belt shots at them through the whole process and trying to change the rules of the CVA. And we don't want his agent to negotiate because he might know what he's talking about in negotiations and contracts.

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Speaker 8: We'd rather talk about it as to the football player. So yeah, do I think that would be the classy thing to do.

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Speaker 15: I would, But if they don't do it, I'm not going to sit there and drag the Cowboys. He's only been there a short period of time. This is not like it's a Randy White or Ed two tall Jones.

00:27:21
Speaker 2: Finish this sentence. Daniel Jones is.

00:27:25
Speaker 8: Is a lot better than people realize.

00:27:28
Speaker 15: And that's one of my favorite Well why because he's got all the physical tools and the mentality to be good at quarterback. You know the thing I always say, right jokingly, I'm like, get and you'd probably said it to you before. If you're around crap all the time, you start to smell like crap, and crap gets on you and then all of a sudden you don't look so good. Say Quon Barkley was a bust up with the New York Giants. They should have never picked him the number two. And then he goes to a team like the Eagles and we go, is he the best running back I've ever seen in my life? So yeah, the support system wasn't correct for Daniel Jones, let alone, just the climate around him. You know, it's the New York fans being so critical, playing for a coach who didn't really draft him, right, and Brian Dayball and I don't know if he was totally invested there.

00:28:12
Speaker 8: So now you're.

00:28:13
Speaker 15: Seeing you put a little offense around him, You give him a few answers, you protect him a little bit. Oh my gosh, Daniel Jones can make a lot happen, just like Sam Darnold, just like Baker Mayfield, just like sa Juan Barkley. It's a team sport. You need some support. You're not not everybody Superman.

00:28:29
Speaker 3: Which the most must win game of the weekend? Oh all right, so that's a good one.

00:28:34
Speaker 15: I do look at the Broncos being one and two on Monday night, going they better win that one against the Bengals, right, who are not playing good football, who are miraculously two and one even though they've been out played in every game. I think the most one must win is the Ravens Chiefs game. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I still think the Ravens are a really good football team. I mean, if Derrick Henry doesn't fumble against Buffalo, they probably win. If he doesn't fumble the other night, it's gonna be a nail bier right between the Detroit Lions. So I still look at them as one of the top teams in football. The Chiefs, on the other hand, I do not. I've been one all year that's kind of said, this is not the year they're going to do it in the AFC West, and it's been worse than I expected. The receiver injuries have certainly been a big part of that. But yeah, the Chiefs are a team right now that I look at and I go it's not close. So I'm not like, Ooh, I like this. If they get this straight, watch out they're in trouble.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: To me a little bit here, we don't teach tackling anymore, it feels like, but we are teaching punching the ball out right right at any point, and I don't want to be a buzzkill. Does the NFL legislate a violent act of trying to punch a ball out?

00:29:44
Speaker 8: Probably not, I don't think so.

00:29:48
Speaker 15: I don't think they'll ever be enough there, and I think it just adds too much to the excitement of the football game. I think the NFL wants excitement, they want big plays, they want turnovers, they want points and all that, and that's a big part of it. And to your point, yeah, we don't practice tackling as much anymore because of all the rules and and everything's just different to where you can't hit the same But at the same point, the tackling is also falling off because I can tell you that defensive players are going, hey, when you get in there, the coaches are going hold them up so Johnny can come by and knock the ball out, and that leads to bad pocket tackling too. But no, I don't think that's going anywhere here anytime soon.

00:30:26
Speaker 3: Paulie insists that I ask you this question about the Vikings in Sam Donald because nobody, nobody loves Sam Donald more than Pauline. Right, will the Vikings regret moving on from Sam Donald?

00:30:39
Speaker 15: Well, they're definitely in a spot right now where you don't know where it's gonna go, right. I think that's that Like with JJ McCarthy, the fact that he didn't play his rookie year.

00:30:50
Speaker 8: Here we are year two.

00:30:52
Speaker 15: It was a little shaky in the game, and the half that he did play right and now we're and now we're gonna wait few weeks for his development. And you go, oh, I don't know where this quarterback situation is. Did it go for the rest of the year. It might be a problem. They might really have to manage it. Yeah, from that standpoint, they're gonna I think they're gonna regret it this year, but I think the long play, they will not regret it when it's all said and done. I still believe in JJ McCarthy and more of that. I just believe it. No, I mean Kevin O'Connell and his ability to groom these quarterbacks and make them, you know, pretty awesome.

00:31:24
Speaker 8: On the field.

00:31:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm all in on that. I just didn't see that. JJ McCarthy, Oh my gosh, man. And yeah, yeah, I hear you, And I trust your judgment as much, if not more so, than anybody. I just don't I didn't see it at Michigan. He wasn't featured at Michigan.

00:31:41
Speaker 8: No, you're right, that's the fair point.

00:31:43
Speaker 15: And you know that year coming out, I had them five out of those six great quarterbacks that all went in the first round, right because of some of the things you said, Right, there was a part of you that goes, wait, I like that he has to play NFL football where it's not just spread and easy throws, and he's playing in Michigan where it's play action and throw the ball down the field. But to your point, yeah, I didn't like that we might go a quarter without him even throwing the football.

00:32:06
Speaker 8: That's a little crazy.

00:32:07
Speaker 15: And the thing I think you're seeing too that he has to work on is he's only got one club in the bag.

00:32:13
Speaker 8: He only has the driver, he only has the fastball. We don't see any like flick flick of the wrist throws any side arm and he you know, laying it over the linebackers and touching it to the second level to a tight end.

00:32:26
Speaker 15: That's where he has to grow. To me, every throw he makes that's good is really just the fastball.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: Hardball and what he's doing with justin Herbert.

00:32:35
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's tangible that you see something that he's a different quarterback. Yes, and I think Jim builds in almost bumpers rails for Herbert that he's going to be successful. But I don't know exactly what Jim is doing, but it looks different.

00:32:56
Speaker 8: Well, he's an ex quarterback.

00:32:57
Speaker 15: He makes the quarterbacks feel like he's in the fight with them, right like, I'm out there playing with you, I'm supporting you. I know it's not easy, and I think that's always great for a quarterback because it's not easy and not a lot of people could put themselves in their shoes that way. And he also, I think, is trying to change the culture there. And let's not forget the Chargers. Chargering was a big thing, them screwing up games, doing everything there. He's changed that aspect about the football team, and within that, he's got to change kind of the mindset of the quarterback who's leading the charge. I think there's two things that I look at. One, watch this Sunday. He gets mad at his teammates. Now he yells a little bit. That's what I like to see. The second thing is he's jetting outside the pocket and making plays out there. That was the only era he really lacked behind the great ones mahomes Lamar Josh Allen Burrow. Right when the defense would win against those guys, those guys still made a play and got a twenty yard game. Where you go, man, that was the perfect defense, the perfect pass rush. But they still made it happen, almost imposing their will that way. I don't think Herbert was like that, but you're seeing that this year, and he's playing as good as anybody in the NFL right now at quarterback.

00:34:04
Speaker 3: Good appearance, have a good weekend. Great to talk to you again, Chris, Thank you, thanks a lot man Thanks you. See, now that's Chris Sims Pro Football. He didn't even say anything. You says say he loo to the knuckleheads there, the jerks over there that maybe he's locked in. Yeah, maybe bring Chris back and see if he wants to say that. Uh, is Chris still there?

00:34:29
Speaker 2: Thank's going? Yeah, that was quick.

00:34:31
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't need to be called We get called jerks a lot.

00:34:33
Speaker 2: I'm okay to.

00:34:34
Speaker 3: Skip that one time. I don't know, just my thoughts. Pro Football Talk Live co host Chris Sims. When we come back, are we doing the most must win game of the weekend next or we're gonna.

00:34:47
Speaker 2: Wait a little bit.

00:34:47
Speaker 7: Oh we're gonna wait on that.

00:34:48
Speaker 3: Oh okay, mmw gootw okay, We're gonna slide into the weekend, some of the matchups, more of your phone calls as well.

00:34:55
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00:35:09
Speaker 3: Miss Lane Kiffin has told everybody to take the over in this game, Oregon against Penn State, a rematch of the Big Ten title game. That's a big one right now.

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oregon, that's a big one.

00:35:21
Speaker 3: One. Seven Alabama Georgia. Georgia has won thirty three consecutive games at home. That's the longest active streak in college football, NFL Ravens Chiefs, somebody's going to one in three. And then you got the Packers and the Cowboys. Perhaps you've heard of that matchup. Micah Parsons makes his return to Dallas. I got the Packers favored by seven? Is that right, West? Yeah, that seems like a lot. Packers by seven. They'll sleep on Indiana at Iowa. I'm hot on that. Oh, I know, love that game. Yeah, seems like Hey, I never thought I'd say this. Indiana and Iowa.

00:36:05
Speaker 4: I've never looked forward to that matchup more than I have this year. That is a big game.

00:36:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauline, I have a trap game. Notre Dame at Arkansas.

00:36:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Arkansas.

00:36:15
Speaker 7: They beat themselves twice this year. Otherwise they're four and.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: Oh I think Notre Dame favored by foreigner.

00:36:21
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00:36:45
Speaker 2: Greg?

00:36:49
Speaker 3: Brandon in Illinois, Hi Brandon, what's on your mind today?

00:36:54
Speaker 8: DP? What'sought?

00:36:55
Speaker 15: Man?

00:36:55
Speaker 8: Its first time long time six foot one one nineties? I had an idea for Todd.

00:37:02
Speaker 10: Sure, I thought section roll.

00:37:04
Speaker 3: Speed Ooh okay, all right, we got to decide on a T shirt here by the end of the show, and then it'll be available at Dan Patrick dot com. Todd, how social media been to you?

00:37:16
Speaker 2: They've kind of laid up me a little bit.

00:37:17
Speaker 5: Okay, it's still more negative than positive camping and let us get through move.

00:37:23
Speaker 2: Over, but it's changed your driving.

00:37:26
Speaker 10: It actually has.

00:37:26
Speaker 5: It's in my head. I'm like, I'm more cognizanto that And if you feel like I'm in someone's way that I'm moving over.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: That's very nice. Timothy in Vegas, Hi, tim what's on your mind?

00:37:37
Speaker 7: The reason seat and I are laughing. Tod is getting to giving his explanation and tailing off, and you just take it and go.

00:37:45
Speaker 3: And it's like the second or third time today that you've done that.

00:37:49
Speaker 2: It was a little dismissive.

00:37:50
Speaker 5: I tend to ramble, so somewhere in the middle of your rudeness and me not knowing when to stop talking.

00:37:55
Speaker 2: If you go your briefer, then I won't be.

00:37:58
Speaker 8: I know there's a middle ground there.

00:38:00
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, you're just going We've all been there.

00:38:03
Speaker 8: Alex Jeff from Indiana passionate point.

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Us Timothy and back now I only do it to you. Hey, tim how are you doing?

00:38:12
Speaker 9: Five?

00:38:13
Speaker 10: Six?

00:38:15
Speaker 15: Right?

00:38:17
Speaker 9: Uh?

00:38:17
Speaker 10: I got a comment on the Russell Wilson.

00:38:19
Speaker 8: Uh.

00:38:21
Speaker 10: I think people are just hating on Risks because right now is easy. He's more of a suburb less inner city and I think that's why people like Sherman or other guys probably don't like him. But remember he came into the league with Luck and RG three and they all made their postseason their rookie year, but it was rest who have a long term success.

00:38:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and Chris Sims basically said that it's kind of likability and thank you for the phone call, tim uh Keith and Chico Hi, Keith, welcome.

00:38:52
Speaker 11: Back, Hey Dan, good morning. I also had a couple of comments on the Russell Wilson situation. I just think we need to remember what Russ had to work with in Seattle. From what I remember, Russ wasn't playing with a bunch of elite offensive skill guys during those runs. Sure he had Marshawn but some fun play calling as well, but his wide receivers were all pretty short guys, all had solid hands and rout running, but no Hall of Famers.

00:39:17
Speaker 2: No, no, he didn't have what else.

00:39:21
Speaker 11: I also think some of the Seahawks resent Russ for not changing the play on that Super Bowl interception at the one, and I think that's where a lot of the Richard Sherman disrespect stems.

00:39:30
Speaker 3: But in fairness to him, he didn't call the play. Thank you, Keith, and if you believe and what has kind of lingered out there that this was Daryl Bebell and you know Pete wanting Russ to be the MVP. And if he throws the touchdown, then he's the MVP. If Marshawn runs it in, is he the MVP. And if that factored in, it's kind of crazy. I still would have had a run pass option with Russ, But what do I know?

00:40:02
Speaker 12: Yeah, Smart, that might be the most important play as far as legacy shaping and NFL history. Tom Brady loses a third Super Bowl w a crazy Remember the curse catch was another crazy catch before that, and Tom Brady was maybe a yard away from Saint Gosh, I'm about to lose on another crazy catch. Instead, he wins another one in the legion to Boom and Russell Wilson. They have two Super Bowls. We're probably never having this conversation about a Hall of Famer.

00:40:30
Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, yeah, PAULI.

00:40:32
Speaker 7: The play before a minute left, New England's up twenty eight twenty four. They run left tackle Marshawn Lynch. He gets tripped up at the one. He's probably a foot and a half from scoring on that play, and it's never as brought up again. Patriots would have got the ball back with a little more time and two timeouts.

00:40:50
Speaker 2: But I thought they were gonna let him score.

00:40:53
Speaker 7: It would have been a smart move if they score on that play. The Patriots get the ball back with fifty five seconds and two timeouts.

00:40:59
Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna let Marshawn score. And man, I'm staring at marsh On during that play. I'm just watching him because I'm gonna I have my phone out. I'm gonna I'm gonna capture this on my phone and then uh, you know, I'll be on the podium handing the super Bowl Trophy to the Seahawks.

00:41:21
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I'm.

00:41:22
Speaker 3: Like, what, oh bleep? And I thought, oh man, they dodged a bullet. That's inter incomplete.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: H not so fast.

00:41:33
Speaker 3: What is the most must win game of the weekend and who had the best week in sports? We'll have that for you a final hour in this meet Friday.

00:41:41
Speaker 2: Right after this