Ep. 417: Spring 2025 Mailbag (Part 1)

<v Speaker 1>It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
<v Speaker 1>S e O and JP Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan
<v Speaker 1>and all my years and wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>I never seen anything. And it's the laps Fan name
<v Speaker 2>by the one in the ring. Forget about Slado. He
<v Speaker 2>the real king of swing when the bell goes in
<v Speaker 2>and the kick like me throwing in the corner. But
<v Speaker 2>it's lash like stick.
<v Speaker 3>Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd nodded in.
<v Speaker 1>His head like it.
<v Speaker 2>Steve low Brown, would you get low down?
<v Speaker 4>Go even high up?
<v Speaker 2>Flipp you on your head?
<v Speaker 3>But you know cool driver, you speak more now and
<v Speaker 3>dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head
<v Speaker 3>treats higher drop a more truth than the con of
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<v Speaker 2>If you all been as a plassic a pose, laps
<v Speaker 2>Fan continues to have the best listeners in all of podcasting.
<v Speaker 2>M HM mail bag continues to fill at a rate
<v Speaker 2>Actually forget continues. The lapse Fan mail bag is filling
<v Speaker 2>at a rate here's four unknown. Yes, there's growth happening,
<v Speaker 2>there's significant needs being met, there's significant carrots being dangled. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>And the only thing that stands between I don't know
<v Speaker 2>you and damn nation is the co chairs deciding your worthiness. Indeed,
<v Speaker 2>and here we are once again as we turn to
<v Speaker 2>the mail bag in such a way Boss that I
<v Speaker 2>have you know at this point it's getting so ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's because you know, the Sports
<v Speaker 2>Podcast Award organization named a wrestling Podcast of the Year
<v Speaker 2>thanks in part to those great fans we referenced. I
<v Speaker 2>don't probably, probably because you're the folks advice just had
<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge that, you know, we're going to do unheard
<v Speaker 2>properly for the next season of Dark Side of the Ring.
<v Speaker 2>We've got to get your co chairs in studio. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's live calls of things like
<v Speaker 2>the World Rumble and Elimination Chamber this year that we're
<v Speaker 2>also newsworthy and people just need the co chairs reactions.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you hang on, if you hang on
<v Speaker 2>our reactions, then you tell me what the power dynamic is.
<v Speaker 2>And there's need, there's desire, There is no problem ah,
<v Speaker 2>I think that's all correct. I think that's a wise
<v Speaker 2>take on point, and so as as we have always
<v Speaker 2>made it a practice of doing, when things get a
<v Speaker 2>little too backed up in the mailroom, we take the
<v Speaker 2>time to tip our cap to the folks that make
<v Speaker 2>all this possible, that fuel the engine. It's like, it's
<v Speaker 2>like miracle on thirty fourth Street, it really is. They
<v Speaker 2>dump it right in the judge's desk there. I love
<v Speaker 2>that visual. That is essentially what it is. And we're
<v Speaker 2>fortunate that we have the smartest fans in podcasting. They
<v Speaker 2>send us the most hilarious, thoughtful, and sightful correspondences and
<v Speaker 2>oftentimes well written oftentimes, and it makes for very It
<v Speaker 2>makes for great audio in and of itself, and that's
<v Speaker 2>part of the virtuous circle we always talk about around here.
<v Speaker 2>Going on our eleventh year, if you can believe it,
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to feel it, starting to feel it on
<v Speaker 2>our own right. It takes longer to recover, doesn't it.
<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Definitely, there's
<v Speaker 2>some significant pain. And we do the pain because you
<v Speaker 2>make it worth it, and the second you don't make
<v Speaker 2>it worth it, the pain stops and you never hear
<v Speaker 2>from us again a while it continues to be worth
<v Speaker 2>it your co chairs take to the airwaves. And like
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's getting so crazy that we might have
<v Speaker 2>to start instituting a more regular clip of these feedback
<v Speaker 2>episodes because they're just too money. There's just too many
<v Speaker 2>iconic moments that have sprouted up organically organic phenomenon if
<v Speaker 2>you will, as oh yes, organic phenomenon as yodaful. We've
<v Speaker 2>touched on our recent conquests and so yeah, this mail
<v Speaker 2>bag contains feedback to the Twin Peaks journey under the
<v Speaker 2>cinemat and achievement if there ever was one behind the
<v Speaker 2>Patreon paywall, feedback to the aforementioned premium live events, feedback
<v Speaker 2>to our most recent event, WWF European Rampage again in
<v Speaker 2>Germany in nineteen ninety two, and my god, and people
<v Speaker 2>find things to say about that one I would hope
<v Speaker 2>so rumbles World War three so much to get to
<v Speaker 2>and keep them coming, folks, the lapsed fan at gmail
<v Speaker 2>dot com, and we'll continue to service the account as
<v Speaker 2>we see fit. And I don't even know where to
<v Speaker 2>start here. I mean, were going to start with the
<v Speaker 2>most recent stuff that we received in response to the
<v Speaker 2>forementioned Germany show. But there are some housekeeping matters that
<v Speaker 2>we ought to you take this time to address to folks.
<v Speaker 2>They definitely need to be reminded that pro wrestling teas
<v Speaker 2>and chop teas, oh yes, remain on fire, oh yes,
<v Speaker 2>and remain very active and as you might be plotting
<v Speaker 2>your own on the ground WrestleMania experience this year, wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't hurt at all to fly the lapsed flag and
<v Speaker 2>let let folks know who do know that you get
<v Speaker 2>it that you're a fan. Listen, listen. There's no greater feeling. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>there is no great confirm than when you're in a
<v Speaker 2>strange place for the uh, you know, the Carne show
<v Speaker 2>of Carnie shows and you get that you're a fan
<v Speaker 2>and not that's it. That's all you need, That's all
<v Speaker 2>I need, right And it's fantastic. It is a fantastic thing.
<v Speaker 2>So especially especially since we're not going to be on
<v Speaker 2>the ground this year, that we need people to uh
<v Speaker 2>we need to share those. Take photos. If you weren't
<v Speaker 2>into each other, take photos, put them on the Twitter thing,
<v Speaker 2>email us. I want to see it. I want to
<v Speaker 2>see I want to see the solar system collide. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas now more than ever, Now, more than ever,
<v Speaker 2>power of the solar system needs to be made manifest.
<v Speaker 2>And of course we're heading into WrestleMania ourselves, planning of
<v Speaker 2>course that premium live call in a way that we
<v Speaker 2>haven't done for years for WrestleMania. So a long time, yes,
<v Speaker 2>and a lot I mean since uh, I mean certainly
<v Speaker 2>since COVID. I think COVID was the first time. Well
<v Speaker 2>they did now, they did the they did the Cody
<v Speaker 2>seth rollins Mania. We weren't at where Cody came back.
<v Speaker 2>That was like three years ago. Wait, so that was
<v Speaker 2>definitely post COVID. Okay, all right, that would have been
<v Speaker 2>the one where Austin stun Vince one last time. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Oh that was in Texas, right, that was the yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because they went back to Texas for some fucking reason.
<v Speaker 2>Right the rest? Goddamn, is this the third time they bet? No, No,
<v Speaker 2>this is Vegas. I'm thinking of fucking New Orleans. Are
<v Speaker 2>they going to New Orleans again? Yeah, they're going to
<v Speaker 2>New Orleans next year. So stupid three years like time,
<v Speaker 2>they're really testing, like the the novelty of Mania when
<v Speaker 2>it's becoming very clear that it just goes to whoever
<v Speaker 2>pays top dollar, and look, all the power to them
<v Speaker 2>if that's the strategy that they're obliged to pursue as
<v Speaker 2>a publicly traded company. But I'm not obliged to enjoy it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not obliged to feign enthusiasm. No, I'm good, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. I mean I'm in a Vegas plenty of times, folks. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of it. I mean, Vegas and Easter
<v Speaker 2>just kind of ohh, that's coming up more and more.
<v Speaker 2>I think people are starting to really put the pieces together, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's a tough ask, it's a tough ask, and come
<v Speaker 2>to find out, I think it was a I think
<v Speaker 2>Meltzer even said that they actually are going because it's Easter,
<v Speaker 2>and Vegas is paying them because it's typically such a
<v Speaker 2>slow weekend and that's why the money's on the table
<v Speaker 2>to attract them in the first place. Right. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>if there's one if there's one group of fans of
<v Speaker 2>something that you can count on to see, I can
<v Speaker 2>I can see uh, I can see a bunch of
<v Speaker 2>like you know, you know, uh, casino owners who are
<v Speaker 2>like they want to come you know that's fine. You know,
<v Speaker 2>they want to come, they want to come into Vegas grade.
<v Speaker 2>You know what we could do, Yeah, you know we
<v Speaker 2>could do you know what if we tell them to
<v Speaker 2>come went east and weekend, you know that weekend there's
<v Speaker 2>always so fucking bullshit, no ways here for that. We
<v Speaker 2>have to do it. Then, you know, then if they
<v Speaker 2>fucking fail, it's no big loss on us. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we didn't do anything wrong. Yes, it was a hobday weekend.
<v Speaker 2>If it's a big it's a big deal. You know,
<v Speaker 2>if it's a success, then we get a fucking you know,
<v Speaker 2>we get fucking people like you know, chugging the quarters
<v Speaker 2>down on fucking throats, see the vision? What is wrong
<v Speaker 2>with you? And then uh, they'll you think the talents
<v Speaker 2>kids will get Easter baskets delivered to their hotels. Oh, absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>like trips will see yeah yeah, yeah, be kind of
<v Speaker 2>you know, a bunch of Cadbury eggs all over the place. Well,
<v Speaker 2>you know they call it Cody Burry eggs, so they
<v Speaker 2>are well, we'll certainly be sated with Uh. Actually maybe
<v Speaker 2>they're burying Cody twos. That might actually be very it
<v Speaker 2>needs to be seen. They're certainly working on John Cena
<v Speaker 2>brother as we'll get to but yeah, we'll be sated
<v Speaker 2>with Pirogi and fucking uh kill Boss up by the
<v Speaker 2>time Night two rolls around. Absolutely, this is uh absolutely
<v Speaker 2>now more than ever a Patreon dot com slash, the
<v Speaker 2>lapsed fan, the way to justify existence, the way to
<v Speaker 2>uh get get plugged into the main line, if you will,
<v Speaker 2>the main line that cast, and of course add free
<v Speaker 2>versions of the main show such as this one available
<v Speaker 2>for your Patreon dollar as well. But this WrestleMania season,
<v Speaker 2>it is in fact the place to be, and they're
<v Speaker 2>ramping up Saturday Night's main events, which will be covering
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be very very busy and in a very
<v Speaker 2>very good way. But again, uh, Pro Wrestling teas that
<v Speaker 2>the store is Choco Block. Uh there's a Twin Peaks show. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we got well, we've got a bunch of Twin Peaks shirts.
<v Speaker 2>Actually we've got well, there are two actually the bunch
<v Speaker 2>are too. They're the Lapsed Peaks shirt. And then there's
<v Speaker 2>also welcome to what we Do shirt on there, which
<v Speaker 2>is great with the Twin Peaks with actually, well for
<v Speaker 2>those of us, for those who have a keen eye,
<v Speaker 2>there are actually three peaks for Triple H Welcome to
<v Speaker 2>what we do. So there are three peaks. Actually there's
<v Speaker 2>also a brand new show fight as we go through
<v Speaker 2>the loose translations of what professional wrestling is from the
<v Speaker 2>the original German Last time we were with you and uh,
<v Speaker 2>the Lapse Academy of of of what of arts and science?
<v Speaker 2>Arts and sciences? Yes, the Lapse Academy of Arts and Sciences.
<v Speaker 2>So there's that and then love that one. You'll see
<v Speaker 2>that one on yours truly at some point absolutely is
<v Speaker 2>my prediction. And uh, then you know down hopefully you
<v Speaker 2>know they I'll say they haven't. It's it's weird that
<v Speaker 2>they haven't gotten back to us already. But there is
<v Speaker 2>a Bavarian Cream Yeah, you know, it was coming shirt.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just waiting for their approval. I can't imagine it
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't get approved, but there's there's nothing there that would.
<v Speaker 2>We've certainly done. Also, we've done more you know, uh
<v Speaker 2>you know on the nose, yeah, spoof shirts than that one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this one is sort of less on the nose and
<v Speaker 2>more on the lip and chin of Auto Vans. A
<v Speaker 2>good point. The Barian Cream Auto Vance, which is in
<v Speaker 2>uh you know it's a it's a play on an
<v Speaker 2>old Dusty road shirt. Yeah. Yeah, there's an American Dream
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Road shirt with just something just like that. See,
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping for that, but I wasn't. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>remember one. I'm trying to, like think of a time
<v Speaker 2>he's worn an American Dream shirt to the to the ring,
<v Speaker 2>and I just couldn't think of it. I don't. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if he ever wore to the ring, but
<v Speaker 2>this was one that popped up right away, that kind
<v Speaker 2>of same design. Yeah, yep, So that's that was That
<v Speaker 2>was so much fun to get into what it was
<v Speaker 2>like to be a German wrestling fan. Courtesy of Ben.
<v Speaker 2>Just another another proof point of what it is that
<v Speaker 2>we we bring uniquely to the table when we activate
<v Speaker 2>our collective power and put the collective ahead of the individual.
<v Speaker 2>You know, That's that's what we stand in testament to.
<v Speaker 2>And Lindsey Uh was quick to say, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>if this is, if this is going to be a
<v Speaker 2>show about UH German wrestling, we got to send hopefully
<v Speaker 2>can get this to you. We just simply have to
<v Speaker 2>send a link to this image, which I I find
<v Speaker 2>myself having a hard time disagreeing with boss. If you
<v Speaker 2>want to take a look, what are we seeing here?
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's it's uh, it's Hogan in his
<v Speaker 2>best October feesh gear. What was that from? That's from
<v Speaker 2>a I have no fucking ideas when he had because
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a hundred pictures of him. Yeah, I've seen
<v Speaker 2>him wear in the stupid outfit before too. It definitely
<v Speaker 2>looks like you know, early to mid nineties whole Cogan
<v Speaker 2>staring at Germany tour. I mean he looks like a perf.
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's also got his hands covering his crotch,
<v Speaker 2>like like, what are you doing there? Extremely questionable? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's he's covering his brat, someone wrote. Someone wrote on
<v Speaker 2>Reddit leader Hogan. Someone wrote, we posted the show dust
<v Speaker 2>cast fucking straightforward and clear cost So yeah, pro Wrestling
<v Speaker 2>Teas dot Com cooking uh with takes on lines and
<v Speaker 2>inspirations from the most recent shows. It's just sprouting up
<v Speaker 2>like organic phenomenon. And we encourage you because actually that
<v Speaker 2>should probably be a shirt too. Thanks. Mean, I've been
<v Speaker 2>saying it enough for God's sakes. I think that's twice
<v Speaker 2>this episode, if not three times. But of course Dicky
<v Speaker 2>shot Tease has got your higher end apparel beyond T shirts.
<v Speaker 2>He's got your your hoodies and jackets and fanny packs
<v Speaker 2>and pants and hats, sweatmans, so much cool stuff. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>really elevating the game. Shout out to everybody who saw
<v Speaker 2>boss Man rock the Letterman jacket on Unhurt. That's right,
<v Speaker 2>And you know there's a funny there's a funny story
<v Speaker 2>there too, because it's it's just a little in the sleeves.
<v Speaker 2>It's a little snug, well in me in the studio too.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's well, not only not only that, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so it's a little Number one is a little snug
<v Speaker 2>on the arms and number two, you know, that was
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what was that our I guess was
<v Speaker 2>our second recording, but it was already hot in the
<v Speaker 2>studio by that point. And so as soon as and
<v Speaker 2>I and I was fortunate that I had kind of
<v Speaker 2>a bird's eye view of the monitors, so I could
<v Speaker 2>see what was actually you know, what camera was hot, right,
<v Speaker 2>and so I you know the moment that it was
<v Speaker 2>it was the two shot of Jack and Evan. I
<v Speaker 2>immediately started like taking this thing off because it was
<v Speaker 2>so fucking up. But I'm also trying to be like
<v Speaker 2>as quiet as possible, but it's not necessarily working that way,
<v Speaker 2>and the panic is setting in. Let's be honest. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the thing is, I was starting to feel very, very constricted.
<v Speaker 2>I could feel like I was I was definitely getting
<v Speaker 2>the claustrophobia, like I was never gonna be able to
<v Speaker 2>get his fucking jacket off of ever, and so I'm
<v Speaker 2>like freaking out. But fortunately he didn't get You know,
<v Speaker 2>the guy was smart enough. Oh he was good en us,
<v Speaker 2>smart enough. He fucking knew what he was doing. But
<v Speaker 2>he was he he knew enough to like say, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's fucking struggling with the jacket. I'm gonna not go
<v Speaker 2>to him. Absolutely, yes, And that's not your burden to
<v Speaker 2>carry because that was a limited run. I'm not sure
<v Speaker 2>there are many left, but if there are, I'm sure
<v Speaker 2>you would wear them and much more a prop climbs
<v Speaker 2>then we found ourselves in. But we just couldn't let
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity pass to rock that that piece. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that is just for sure that we need to get
<v Speaker 2>on that. I needed to get it on the on
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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine why you'd be listening to this show
<v Speaker 2>just to get gift ideas for someone who does. But
<v Speaker 2>if folks reach out, you never know, maybe we're giving
<v Speaker 2>the idea to someone to give to somebody else. Whatever
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<v Speaker 2>many strange requests out there, some of which have been
<v Speaker 2>complete home runs. You want to tell the people if
<v Speaker 2>we haven't told them already, I don't think we have.
<v Speaker 2>Some of the more recent adventures from cameo, Yeah, there was, Well,
<v Speaker 2>my favorite one was there was a an April Fool's
<v Speaker 2>joke that someone was going to play on their wife
<v Speaker 2>and they wanted to be a voicemail of Hulk Hogan,
<v Speaker 2>you know, basically saying that this guy's wife left his
<v Speaker 2>after credit card at one of the Hogan beat shops
<v Speaker 2>and just you know, basically go with it, Yes, and
<v Speaker 2>you know that's what happens. Why why is why? Brother?
<v Speaker 2>Why are you leaving a credit card my place? Dude?
<v Speaker 2>Like what's the deal with that brother? You know, and
<v Speaker 2>do the whole thing and then yelling at her, yelling
<v Speaker 2>at well, I mean, because you don't. You don't just
<v Speaker 2>do that, because you're not trying to send a secret
<v Speaker 2>signal exactly. There's definitely a problem, there's something wrong, something
<v Speaker 2>would be read into you. Oh god, it was glorious.
<v Speaker 2>It worked. I mean, it's great, it was. You couldn't
<v Speaker 2>tell if it was legit or if it wasn't. Sounds
<v Speaker 2>like something else I can something else I could mention,
<v Speaker 2>but Cameo dot com slash the laps fan, do engage
<v Speaker 2>the rogues gallery of lapsed characters for your and your
<v Speaker 2>friends and families enjoyment. Sometimes the till gets rather full,
<v Speaker 2>and we apologize if we can't get back to immediately.
<v Speaker 2>But do know we're trying to stay faithful to it
<v Speaker 2>and stay on top of it. But sometimes, bus there's
<v Speaker 2>just a burst of need on that thing. So it
<v Speaker 2>comes in such interesting waves. It does, it does. I'm
<v Speaker 2>always fascinated by how it all plays out. It's fascinating.
<v Speaker 2>And you want to talk about kind of like a
<v Speaker 2>virtuous circle, how we put it right back in to
<v Speaker 2>the cast. I mean Cameo is not just a place
<v Speaker 2>that you can get us, but Cameo is a place
<v Speaker 2>where we can get the carnies right and we can
<v Speaker 2>get them to weigh in and talk about things, and
<v Speaker 2>it's always great. Not only go ahead. I'm just saying,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's funny that we do that. I'm
<v Speaker 2>actually wondering at the point. You know, I know he
<v Speaker 2>probably gets God knows how many Kevin Nash gets on
<v Speaker 2>a regular basis. You know, he probably gets hundreds every day.
<v Speaker 2>But I do wonder if you know, we've I wonder
<v Speaker 2>how many ask questions like we do. And I wonder
<v Speaker 2>if you recognize I mean aways coming from me too,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's I always send it from my from
<v Speaker 2>my like fan cameo account. It's what I do. So
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you, like, you know, if he ever
<v Speaker 2>picks up on it, like, oh, there's the same fucking
<v Speaker 2>guy again. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it really
<v Speaker 2>is just function of how many come in. Yeah, right, Eventually,
<v Speaker 2>eventually someone will blow up our spot, because that's how
<v Speaker 2>people are. But I mean, I don't think it's blown
<v Speaker 2>up mainlys. I mean it's not like oh they don't care, No,
<v Speaker 2>they care, but if yeah, it's uh, I think we're
<v Speaker 2>not the only ones that do it too, Like it's
<v Speaker 2>just a it's a great way to get a question
<v Speaker 2>without having to deal with the actual person, right, And
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're happy to to pocket that money and
<v Speaker 2>take as long as they feel, like, you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>not like they're they're committing to sit down for two hours,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the easiest money they've ever made. They love
<v Speaker 2>it exactly and especially you know the last one and
<v Speaker 2>asking to get a kick out of it. Yeah, they
<v Speaker 2>actually enjoy it too. Yeah, you don't know until you
<v Speaker 2>know if the guy actually is game for the using
<v Speaker 2>cameo that way. Some have been like, I've never got
<v Speaker 2>a request like ever Demon Dudley during the Lapsed Funk
<v Speaker 2>he was no during a No. I don't think we
<v Speaker 2>engaged them for TNH. It was it was the one
<v Speaker 2>where during the CID Journey where we got to CID's
<v Speaker 2>easy w run and we're asking, like why Sid called
<v Speaker 2>Bubba Prima Donna one time on a shoot interview or
<v Speaker 2>something you know you could tell you like didn't read
<v Speaker 2>it before he hit record, and he like came upon
<v Speaker 2>this question. I love when they do that like it's
<v Speaker 2>so so funny, screeching hauled. Oh, it's so funny that
<v Speaker 2>they don't, you know, they just kind of like stumble on,
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh okay, uh okay, like you know, why don't
<v Speaker 2>you read it before you press record? Just for your
<v Speaker 2>own you know protection. But exactly, it's not only you know,
<v Speaker 2>a resource that you can engage us with. It's not
<v Speaker 2>only a resource that we can engage the wrestling community with,
<v Speaker 2>but the solar system writ large can engage folks on
<v Speaker 2>our behalf as well. You know, they're just like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this would be fun. Let me let me throw this
<v Speaker 2>to the coach here see what uh gentleman Ax has
<v Speaker 2>to say. And one of the great one of the
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame contributors in that regard has been Zach
<v Speaker 2>And we most recently did an episode of course, on
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty six WWF Slammy Awards and the wrestling
<v Speaker 2>album the music album the WWF for released in late
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five, featuring all these wrestlers carrying on like
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of fools, and we noted in the what
<v Speaker 2>was it called the No No, No, No? What was
<v Speaker 2>the song, oh Land of one thousand Dances Land of
<v Speaker 2>a Thousand Dances music video. With all the w W wrestlers,
<v Speaker 2>we were trying to find people, you know that that
<v Speaker 2>were perhaps had books or had recollections of being on
<v Speaker 2>that shoot, and Tito Santana was one of them, but
<v Speaker 2>we didn't get in touch with him, but Zach reached out.
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't a huge loss. It wasn't a huge miss on
<v Speaker 2>our part, come to find out. Never is as Tito
<v Speaker 2>has a way of putting a postage damp on these
<v Speaker 2>if you catch my drift, but bless his heart, the
<v Speaker 2>former Intercontinental champion here courtesy of Zach and this is
<v Speaker 2>this is the magic, this is w W.
<v Speaker 5>E just finishing my workout and I've gotta get this in.
<v Speaker 5>Jack Brother, you asked me, or maybe your buddy Zach Roller.
<v Speaker 2>Dude, asking me to send it to you.
<v Speaker 5>Jack. You guys want to know about any recollections I
<v Speaker 5>have about the stories of filming the WWT record album
<v Speaker 5>in the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, He's well.
<v Speaker 5>I had never done anything like that, and I the
<v Speaker 5>only way I could carry a tune is if somebody
<v Speaker 5>put it in a box and I carry it somewhere.
<v Speaker 5>I just know that I was not doing a good job,
<v Speaker 5>and we just kept doing it over and over and over,
<v Speaker 5>and I'm sure my voice was not coming across.
<v Speaker 2>Very nice, okay, but it was fun. I knew we
<v Speaker 2>were doing something different.
<v Speaker 5>I had no idea where we were headed, but it
<v Speaker 5>turned out to be a great album and the fans love.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you're headed.
<v Speaker 5>And many, many years later, people like you are still
<v Speaker 5>talking about it.
<v Speaker 2>Marks right, Oh my god, it's always this is w
<v Speaker 2>w E. Hall of Famer. I love to start every time.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like he's reading it. It's like he's reading,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like like his own introduction, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>but without with like awful glasses, you know, Yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is w w E. Well, at least he does. He
<v Speaker 2>isn't one of the overchargers on the platform, So that's
<v Speaker 2>that's uh yeah, that's to his credit. Someone made a
<v Speaker 2>great suggestion. And at least he doesn't fucking spend spend
<v Speaker 2>like eight hours going around as fucking office with all
<v Speaker 2>of his memorabilia like steamboat. Yeah right, you get that,
<v Speaker 2>no matter the worst and that's not the best. But interestingly,
<v Speaker 2>someone had posted I thought it was it was a
<v Speaker 2>great idea. We should just have Tito on every show
<v Speaker 2>we do, even if he wasn't on it. Oh, that's
<v Speaker 2>a good idea. Just ask him about it, Just fucking
<v Speaker 2>say what did you think star K ninety one? Tito?
<v Speaker 2>Tell us your thoughts about uh, you know e CW
<v Speaker 2>heat Wave up my ass? Now, I do remember the show,
<v Speaker 2>but I looked it up and here's what I would say.
<v Speaker 2>Get a little too close to David Lynch there, But
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, We'll have plenty of time for that today.
<v Speaker 2>You say, you know, give him a random like Japanese
<v Speaker 2>show and say, what are his memories of that? What
<v Speaker 2>are memories of some like Kobashi Misawa match, what are
<v Speaker 2>your memories of uh Antonio and Oki and Billy Robinson
<v Speaker 2>in seventy six? Well, I really wasn't in the business yet.
<v Speaker 2>It's there to answer your question, ladies and gentlemen, Merce said,
<v Speaker 2>so lice, let's not forget Merce said, okay, Merce said,
<v Speaker 2>we're said at all there, Yes, but again, just another
<v Speaker 2>example the Germany show and Ben bringing the German to
<v Speaker 2>the table that cameo there from Zack. Just another example
<v Speaker 2>of things that wouldn't exist if this podcast didn't exist.
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<v Speaker 2>And this is this is Scott coming in recently with
<v Speaker 2>a great suggestion. Scott wants you to know, Boss that
<v Speaker 2>he's all four episodes of Lapsed characters going to breakfast
<v Speaker 2>diners and ordering food and the interactions with the staff,
<v Speaker 2>and the finale being Vader pulling up in the snow
<v Speaker 2>at every single time. I mean, yeah, it has to
<v Speaker 2>be Vader coming out and just like you know, just
<v Speaker 2>throwing shit. Oh it's mister Salis again. What would you
<v Speaker 2>like today? Hun? This is this is w w E
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famer Tito Santana. I would like to order
<v Speaker 2>three scrambled eggs ops to Tato. I think it just
<v Speaker 2>has a side of breakfast potatoes. He would call him that,
<v Speaker 2>he would you know what else? You know what got
<v Speaker 2>our our Bob, our homie Bob. On the most recent episode,
<v Speaker 2>he writes, Bavarian cream. I nearly choked on my Sicilian
<v Speaker 2>sandwich on this holiday trip with lungs and spleen. He advises,
<v Speaker 2>I think rather wisely does Robert. You shouldn't eat and
<v Speaker 2>listen to TLF And by the way, the sandwich was
<v Speaker 2>awesome and goot our bite. Ben. He's not the first
<v Speaker 2>person to say that. Shout out to Ben, the Solar
<v Speaker 2>System member that did just heretofore unheard amount of research
<v Speaker 2>to assist the podcast and getting an episode across the
<v Speaker 2>line that we probably couldn't have approached without without him
<v Speaker 2>and his dedication. So I think that's really that's really
<v Speaker 2>a gold the gold star for the quarter. Yes, okay, yes, no,
<v Speaker 2>I don't hesitate to shine that one up. Nick has
<v Speaker 2>a great suggestion. He says, you know what, fuck that,
<v Speaker 2>get all these meats and cheeses on a board and
<v Speaker 2>call it a sharp shooter reboard. That is spectacular. So
<v Speaker 2>if we ever have a little get together with little
<v Speaker 2>Finger Meats, Boss, I think the sharp shootery board is
<v Speaker 2>at all, definitely, definitely a sharp shooter reboard. Fantastic. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it needs to be on there. I mean, what do
<v Speaker 2>you see, what do you what do you taste? I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna say a lot of Canadian beef, well, Canadian soul.
<v Speaker 2>We have the best in the world, the best beef,
<v Speaker 2>and we got the best beef, like really, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's delicious. I've never heard of it though,
<v Speaker 2>I know I've never heard of Canadian beef. I know
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of cattle and ship and cowboys out there.
<v Speaker 2>You gotta stampedes after all, you know your Calgary Stampedes
<v Speaker 2>and ship. But yeah, now I don't know about this
<v Speaker 2>Canadian Canadian buff As we always want to do on
<v Speaker 2>these feedback shows. Tips of the cap to folks that
<v Speaker 2>have joined us anew or again on Patreon and are
<v Speaker 2>pledging their support to us in denominations. We gotta do
<v Speaker 2>the fundraising drive, folks. It's like NPR, you know, every
<v Speaker 2>now and then, every now and then, we've got to
<v Speaker 2>We've got to fight back existential threats. We've got to
<v Speaker 2>fight back people that lose sight of why it is
<v Speaker 2>that they sit on our every word and our every
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<v Speaker 2>the fold. Thank you very much for your pledge and
<v Speaker 2>we'll continue working our way down the list for you,
<v Speaker 2>Mike writes on Patreon, which is another reason, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>to Pledge. Just hilarious back and forth from Pledging members.
<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely amazing underneath the audio file of the latest
<v Speaker 2>offering from your co chairs, just such great insight. We
<v Speaker 2>can always count if we trip up and hit a
<v Speaker 2>point on a show where we're not sure about something,
<v Speaker 2>or something doesn't make sense, or we we make some
<v Speaker 2>stupid error, like what is it we called, Oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>la May we call it the outfit the clothing lame,
<v Speaker 2>a lame outfit instead of a La May outfit, which
<v Speaker 2>I've never honestly never heard of. I mean, might be
<v Speaker 2>a lame outfit, right, you know? And we said something
<v Speaker 2>of Pam. Uh for one of the albums the Theater
<v Speaker 2>of said Theater of Pain. We said Theater of Pam.
<v Speaker 2>Someone said that it's like an album about Bailey, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'd like you remember we were talking about how the
<v Speaker 2>hell Carson Schaeffer could claim to have seen Triple H
<v Speaker 2>backstage at WrestleMania eleven in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>makes no sense, Mike writes. Triple H may have been
<v Speaker 2>at WrestleMania eleven. He left WCW in January nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>His vignettes ran on WWFTV in April nineteen ninety five,
<v Speaker 2>which means they would have had to be filmed before then.
<v Speaker 2>That leaves open the possibility he was with the company
<v Speaker 2>in March of that year. A little not so fun
<v Speaker 2>trivia Triple H's first televised match are at April thirtieth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, defeating buck Zoomhoff. Oh that's a fucking
<v Speaker 2>ugh wow that is That's not a good trivia question.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you that. Not at all. Recently and under
<v Speaker 2>the cinnamat we went back to the covid era. Thanks
<v Speaker 2>we did. I tell people who you know might be
<v Speaker 2>listening to this on the main feed and are hipped
<v Speaker 2>utd of the cinemat yet, how it is you brilliantly
<v Speaker 2>pivoted off of that one of a kind David Lynch
<v Speaker 2>twin Peaks journey. What do we get ourselves into maybe
<v Speaker 2>a little lockdown scenario? I mean, yeah, you know, oftentimes
<v Speaker 2>I like to if I know we're going in a
<v Speaker 2>certain direction after you know, after if we're going, if
<v Speaker 2>we're doing some kind of a long journey we're doing
<v Speaker 2>like a big, big movie, I like to counterbalance it
<v Speaker 2>with something that is absolutely atrocious and is just some
<v Speaker 2>of the worst fucking cinema you could possibly imagine. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's not the nicest thing to say,
<v Speaker 2>but you're you're gonna be in luck with that when
<v Speaker 2>it comes to Kevin Nash, because a lot of his
<v Speaker 2>movies are just absolute garbage. And it's kind of funny
<v Speaker 2>because because he's got so many, like he's a kind
<v Speaker 2>of a fifty to fifty, you know, record in terms
<v Speaker 2>of you know, big, good, big movies and crappy small movies.
<v Speaker 2>It's really a fifty to fifty. So we've been able
<v Speaker 2>to confirm to the aforementioned Cano channels that he's very
<v Speaker 2>self aware about what movies he's done that are ship
<v Speaker 2>and which movies he's done aren't. Necessarily he's one of
<v Speaker 2>the best ones we've ever gotten, was him commenting for
<v Speaker 2>this episode on this movie. He called it, Yes, he
<v Speaker 2>called it a It was like being on a sophomore
<v Speaker 2>in high school student film COVID nineteen as COVID nineteen Invasion,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes called lockdown. But man, what a Sometimes sometimes it's
<v Speaker 2>just you got to go, you know, hey, you know
<v Speaker 2>you got to have We get to hurt too sometimes
<v Speaker 2>and I'm okay, with us, with putting us through that.
<v Speaker 1>He's a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
<v Speaker 1>knows the boys need their candy. It's the last fan.
<v Speaker 1>He's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and.
<v Speaker 2>We were asking, we were wondering on the episode what
<v Speaker 2>what uh I s D stood for. We came upon
<v Speaker 2>some clips somewhere IDU was independent school district thanks to Austin,
<v Speaker 2>a Texan in his own right. I think it might
<v Speaker 2>have been in one of the stories. Yeah, that's a
<v Speaker 2>good that's a good one. It's his I s D
<v Speaker 2>often levy good. I s D is often levy property
<v Speaker 2>taxes and all non exempt property with I know what
<v Speaker 2>it was, right, the I s D. That was the
<v Speaker 2>That was because they were selling this school that the
<v Speaker 2>director of the film wanted to buy because they shot
<v Speaker 2>in there. They they well, yeah, yeah yeah, and he
<v Speaker 2>wanted to buy this building to make it a film studio.
<v Speaker 2>Amazing FU A lot more from that from that, what
<v Speaker 2>is it? Micah what Micah lyons? Michah lions the director.
<v Speaker 2>We get to know him quite well on the episode.
<v Speaker 2>But what's Marshall Texas, by the way, is part of
<v Speaker 2>what the ISD would be here? Right. In this case,
<v Speaker 2>he says, does Austin Marshall, Texas. The Marshall is SD
<v Speaker 2>would be in charge of purchasing and selling the building,
<v Speaker 2>So that would have been the aforementioned micah Lyons would
<v Speaker 2>have would have been talking to. But what is Marshall,
<v Speaker 2>Texas really known for? Austin ads Marshall was known for
<v Speaker 2>a long time as the patent capital of the US.
<v Speaker 2>Who knew. Wow, it's interesting by this, I mean it
<v Speaker 2>was where the majority of patent cases are tried, which
<v Speaker 2>led to patent trolls purposely trying cases in the US
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Texas District Court. Here's a good write up about it.
<v Speaker 2>He lynxius to w a BBC article with perhaps the
<v Speaker 2>key quote being Marshall became a haven for what's called
<v Speaker 2>patent trolls, companies that buy up old or vague patents
<v Speaker 2>as a means to file multiple lawsuits. That's a big
<v Speaker 2>fucking red, white and blue thumbs up right there. Wow, yep.
<v Speaker 2>Their goal was to squeeze money out of businesses that
<v Speaker 2>decide it's easier to pay a small settlement and make
<v Speaker 2>a case go away rather than fight it out with
<v Speaker 2>high priced lawyers. So what they're doing is fucking They're
<v Speaker 2>just buying patents that are out there that no one
<v Speaker 2>cares about and then trying to find, like trying to
<v Speaker 2>find a case out there that companies are violating a
<v Speaker 2>patent that wasn't even there is to begin with, but
<v Speaker 2>they now own. And it's just like it's just a
<v Speaker 2>scheme to get people to just cut you quick check.
<v Speaker 2>Is that whole area just about scamming people? Who knows?
<v Speaker 2>What the hell Marshall Texas? Why the hell Marshall Texas
<v Speaker 2>became ground zero for that? But I don't know, Probably not,
<v Speaker 2>because there's honest people everywhere around there. I mean, because
<v Speaker 2>you get the I mean, it's no different than the
<v Speaker 2>scam that Mike Lions is putting up palaw on people.
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion. It's not fact. It is my opinion,
<v Speaker 2>just my opinion. I'm just going to make sure that's clear. Absolutely. Pete,
<v Speaker 2>big shout out to you, thanks for joining the executive
<v Speaker 2>producer to here to enjoy the afrementioned under the cinemat
<v Speaker 2>and all the other benefits there too. We talked recently
<v Speaker 2>about fanfare for the common Man. Didn't we ayes We
<v Speaker 2>did plays during the aforementioned WAF European Rampage television broadcast
<v Speaker 2>as it aired in Germany, and Craig, along with several others,
<v Speaker 2>mentioned to us at the version A fanfare for the
<v Speaker 2>common Man on that wrestling show is a version done
<v Speaker 2>by Emerson Lake and Palmer, a legendary progressive rock band.
<v Speaker 2>That is the version that you hear on the on
<v Speaker 2>the broadcast. He attaches us to a link of them
<v Speaker 2>playing in nineteen ninety two, where but the Royal Albert Hall. Boss.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's the Royal Albert Hall in my home
<v Speaker 2>town a lot in England. MVP status fan Big Steve
<v Speaker 2>wants you to know that he needs that Bavarian cream
<v Speaker 2>shirt in the worst way. It's common, common in all
<v Speaker 2>ways you can imagine. So I'll listen. It's it's it's common.
<v Speaker 2>As soon as it gets approved, I might have to
<v Speaker 2>fucking email them and bug them and say where the
<v Speaker 2>fuck's my shirt?
<v Speaker 6>Ah?
<v Speaker 2>You may you may have remembered noting that Mike McGirk
<v Speaker 2>has a penchant for saying unhaling from Glenn Falls, New York. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>not hailing, unhaling or perhaps and haaling, and it sounds
<v Speaker 2>like unhaling. I mean that's a that's a I mean
<v Speaker 2>on hailing. That's how you have to say it, because
<v Speaker 2>it definitely sounds like un like gun, right, it definitely
<v Speaker 2>sounds like un I mean, you know, I could be wrong,
<v Speaker 2>but it sounds like un to me. And on that point,
<v Speaker 2>Paul on Patreon makes the brilliant point that Dugan might
<v Speaker 2>have been unhaling from Glenn's falls, but he and Schiky
<v Speaker 2>were certainly inhaling. In New Jersey, Bryce bar two, huge
<v Speaker 2>shout out to you, my friend, for bumping all the
<v Speaker 2>way up to the moat tier rarefied Air. We understand
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a high dollar value to pay, but it's
<v Speaker 2>our It's the rider die t here. It's the folks
<v Speaker 2>that are, like, you know, not just doing it because
<v Speaker 2>I get something out of it. It's not just about me,
<v Speaker 2>me me, me, me me me. I'm doing it because
<v Speaker 2>you deserve it, not just because what I get for it.
<v Speaker 2>But we do throw you the extra b of the
<v Speaker 2>one of a kind experience of getting on the living
<v Speaker 2>room carpet just like it used to be. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>with mom in the background while you're watching wrestling. Mama sorrow,
<v Speaker 2>it's wrestle, Mamia. Why don't you tell them, boss, what
<v Speaker 2>awaits them if they can indeed afford to take that
<v Speaker 2>Motier plunge. Well, you know we've been on you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's certainly it's WrestleMania season. So right now there
<v Speaker 2>is a load of WrestleMania themed matches that we lined
<v Speaker 2>up for my mom to watch, or we I lined
<v Speaker 2>up for my mom to watch. One of the more
<v Speaker 2>recent ones was the the WrestleMania two thousand Hardcore Battle Royal. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you better watch that. You better watch that. Absolutely, that's
<v Speaker 2>a fiasco and a half. Yes it is. You know,
<v Speaker 2>got to get her confused, she enjoys. No, she had
<v Speaker 2>many questions. I'm sure many questions, and I'm sure you
<v Speaker 2>know it's been a while, but I I'm sure that
<v Speaker 2>it ended with her saying, I'm okay, if we never
<v Speaker 2>see something like that, which, of course, if she only
<v Speaker 2>knew better, that means we're definitely gonna see shit like
<v Speaker 2>that again yet duly noted. But usually by the time
<v Speaker 2>we get there, she's forgotten all about it. It's like
<v Speaker 2>starting over. Yeah, yeah, because you certainly look, I've seen
<v Speaker 2>you re explain the same set of rules within the
<v Speaker 2>same match. Call let alone across different yes, being able
<v Speaker 2>to remember across different different matches, so always always an
<v Speaker 2>absolute joy too. And coming up though, I'll say, I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it'll be, it'll be. Uh Hogan and Vince from nineteen
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen, God, what she must think of Vince being
<v Speaker 2>all bloodied and everything. Oh yeah, well it was. It
<v Speaker 2>was a trip. It was a fucking trip, for sure,
<v Speaker 2>Motor David noted on her call episode one thirty five
<v Speaker 2>of Sergeant Slaughter versus Pat Patterson from nineteen eighty one.
<v Speaker 2>At some point she says, quote, this is a bullfight,
<v Speaker 2>and David writes, Mama Sorrow is far more accurate than
<v Speaker 2>she intended to be. Could absolutely say that again, my friend.
<v Speaker 7>Oh God, as we think about the spirit of giving,
<v Speaker 7>Zach points out on Patreon, you know, I bet it's
<v Speaker 7>a safe bet that many TLF fans, he says, buy
<v Speaker 7>the co Chair's Christmas gifts before anyone else in their lives.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, thinking it through it, I'm like, you
<v Speaker 2>know what, He's right, because it has to be that way, yes,
<v Speaker 2>because we have to have those things secured before it
<v Speaker 2>even makes much sense to shop for those around you.
<v Speaker 2>But this is probably the earliest we've ever reminded folks,
<v Speaker 2>don't don't sleep on it. If you've got an idea,
<v Speaker 2>if you've got something that you think than belongs in
<v Speaker 2>the till for the next unwrapping, it's it's never too early,
<v Speaker 2>it's only just too late very often, get it, send
<v Speaker 2>it in and fucking put it on. You know, I
<v Speaker 2>got an area in my office right as pile shit up.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely you do, and that's that's always always open to
<v Speaker 2>you if you want to be absolutely sure that whenever
<v Speaker 2>it is your CoA chairs, make time to salute the
<v Speaker 2>hearth as only we can. That you're part of the experience.
<v Speaker 2>It's the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South po
<v Speaker 2>Bucks one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six four eighty
<v Speaker 2>eight for your unwrappening needs. Charles writes to us, we
<v Speaker 2>were talking about Sean versus Savage and just how much
<v Speaker 2>was left on the table. They never had a program,
<v Speaker 2>you know, they really just wrestled a handful of matches.
<v Speaker 2>It's really quite sad. And someone else pointed out, I'll
<v Speaker 2>shout out the name in a moment. As we were
<v Speaker 2>fantas sizing about Savage versus Steve Austin In nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 2>eight and WWF, yes, do you know they did wrestle
<v Speaker 2>once in WSW No. Ninety five on Saturday Night. Oh wow,
<v Speaker 2>stunning Steve, long blonde hair, macho man, a relatively fresh
<v Speaker 2>in the company, and they mixed it up. So if you,
<v Speaker 2>if you're so inclined, you can find and see and
<v Speaker 2>sense the dynamic in ring dynamic between Savage and Austin. Now,
<v Speaker 2>this is hardly stone cold, the stone still stunning. Steve
<v Speaker 2>is still still phenomenal, phenomenal, It's just not the it's
<v Speaker 2>not the in ring clash of styles that I think
<v Speaker 2>you picture when you picture it in attitude. WWF. It's
<v Speaker 2>a different worker, it's different approach. If you're stunning Steve,
<v Speaker 2>he's bumping and feeding. I'm thinking of a baby face
<v Speaker 2>Austin that's got to fend off a psychotic Savage, you know,
<v Speaker 2>not a neon wearing, slim gym cracking babyface Savage, but
<v Speaker 2>macho man. Verse HBK was the subject of a lot
<v Speaker 2>of discussion in terms of how often it happened and
<v Speaker 2>when I think we ran down definitive listed of course,
<v Speaker 2>included matches on the nineteen ninety two Post Wrestling the
<v Speaker 2>eight European tour. Not only the Germany show we talked
<v Speaker 2>about last time we were with you, but the European
<v Speaker 2>show that it's say, I sorry the England show as well.
<v Speaker 2>But Charlie writes, hello co chairs, I was listening to
<v Speaker 2>your newest episode and my years perked up when I
<v Speaker 2>heard your reference. A match between Randy Savage and Shawn
<v Speaker 2>Michaels on July sixth, nineteen ninety three. I think that
<v Speaker 2>was the last one they did, had a TV taping
<v Speaker 2>in Wilkesburry, Pennsylvania, my hometown. I happen to have a
<v Speaker 2>personal connection to this match, even though I was still
<v Speaker 2>a little more than two years from being born at
<v Speaker 2>the time. While going through some old family photos a
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, I found a disposable camera photo of
<v Speaker 2>the macho man standing on the apron and what looked
<v Speaker 2>like a high school gym. After some digging on cage match,
<v Speaker 2>I determined that it must have been taken at the
<v Speaker 2>TV taping above mentioned Wilkes University Art Center. I assumed
<v Speaker 2>my uncle, a wrestling fan to the extent that any
<v Speaker 2>kid in the early eighties nineties, was rather monstev dragged
<v Speaker 2>my grandfather along and one of the two snapped the photo.
<v Speaker 2>I'd asked my uncle about it, but unfortunately no one
<v Speaker 2>has seen or heard from him in a few years.
<v Speaker 2>If you're curious, The w w returned to the March
<v Speaker 2>Center three more times, twice at night. Probably'd probably deny
<v Speaker 2>it happen anyway, you think, Yeah, you know once he wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>We didn't do that ship. I never going to see
<v Speaker 2>fake shit. You know, come here, sult me like that again. Hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know what, give here here, give me fuck shit.
<v Speaker 2>H Ever ever fucking say I watched watch fake shit again,
<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I didn't say you watched fake ship. I
<v Speaker 2>said you watch this man. But there it is. Look
<v Speaker 2>at that. Imagine finding that one. That's a beautiful, that
<v Speaker 2>blue pole, Randy and Sherry up on the apron. That's wild.
<v Speaker 2>And to not even you know, for it to not
<v Speaker 2>be yours, but to find it in your house and
<v Speaker 2>to have to decode like where in your family history
<v Speaker 2>it's from. If you're curious, he writes, The deputy return
<v Speaker 2>to the mart Center three more times twice in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>ninety four. Another Superstars taping and house show not a
<v Speaker 2>wrestling challenge shaping in nineteen ninety five. Most of the
<v Speaker 2>matches are what you'd expect from a seat here town,
<v Speaker 2>like Will Sperry Quang versus Jim Powers a main event
<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the world. Absolutely, though a Blaze Nakano title
<v Speaker 2>match cut my eye. I never would have ben I
<v Speaker 2>would love it. I would love it if like Quang
<v Speaker 2>versus Jim Power's main event in somehow show oh my,
<v Speaker 2>like one of those dark matches on and in your
<v Speaker 2>house after they go off the air. Yeah, right, and
<v Speaker 2>that's your fucking main event. Like people are gone before
<v Speaker 2>that fucking Quang. People are gone before they before the
<v Speaker 2>bell rings ough to begin. Last time I said Kwang
<v Speaker 2>was when I was trying to mouth the sounds of
<v Speaker 2>Ken SHAMROCK's entrance thing. It's neither here nor there. I
<v Speaker 2>may have went anywhere in the world. I never would
<v Speaker 2>have imagined bull Knock and O of all people he
<v Speaker 2>writes to have ever set foot in my dumpy little town.
<v Speaker 2>Apologies for the end solicited history lesson, but it's not
<v Speaker 2>every day I hear my hometown mentioned on my favorite podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for reading, and hope you get a kick out
<v Speaker 2>of the photo. Well, indeed, we did. We love those
<v Speaker 2>personal mementos. You know that fans have a unique little
<v Speaker 2>story about that they can share with us, and that's
<v Speaker 2>a good one. And you can see the wear on
<v Speaker 2>the photo, little white dots where it's kind of been
<v Speaker 2>chipped away at I'd so many of those because you know,
<v Speaker 2>you brought shitty cameras to wrestling shows you just did,
<v Speaker 2>and there were shadowy shots from far away from the
<v Speaker 2>ring and still, you know, why do you think you
<v Speaker 2>think you're you're getting ah, you think you know, like
<v Speaker 2>you're taking like sports magazine worthy. Yes, you do photos
<v Speaker 2>like you think you're going to get actual action shots,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you want to get like I try
<v Speaker 2>to get shots if someone jumping off the top rope
<v Speaker 2>and they're in mid air and it's like they're just
<v Speaker 2>a blurry fucking mess, always a mess. It's always always
<v Speaker 2>pitch black in the background. Yeah, yeah, yep, they're always
<v Speaker 2>like doing something not athletic when you when you happen
<v Speaker 2>to snap the photo. But when you're looking through the lens, man,
<v Speaker 2>it's not like a you know, it's not like a
<v Speaker 2>camera phone where you essentially see the picture you're going
<v Speaker 2>to get right on your screen before you capture it.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know how the lighting is going to react.
<v Speaker 2>You don't know what you're going to end up with.
<v Speaker 2>You you'd like to think you're going to end up
<v Speaker 2>with a facsimile of what the naked eye can see
<v Speaker 2>in the arena and what you can see to the
<v Speaker 2>viewfinder of the old school camera. But my god, is
<v Speaker 2>there so many other hoops to jump through inside the
<v Speaker 2>technology before it spits out to the final the final proof,
<v Speaker 2>if you will. And that was always nerve wracking, you know,
<v Speaker 2>going to the pharmacy and getting those photo printouts, because
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be worth it, or it's going to
<v Speaker 2>He never knew, you never knew, just way too much
<v Speaker 2>headroom in every shot, pretending you were front row even
<v Speaker 2>though you were, you know, in the lower bowl, zooming
<v Speaker 2>in like crazy, which only focks the picture up more
<v Speaker 2>yep yep, Bez writes to us, Jack wondered if Brett
<v Speaker 2>ever won another singles match with the elbow drop, as
<v Speaker 2>we noted with interest that he beats the Mount Tea
<v Speaker 2>with the elbow off the middle rope. No, sorry, Dino,
<v Speaker 2>by the reason I said Mount, You'll see in a second.
<v Speaker 2>Bez wants us to know, as many other shout out
<v Speaker 2>to everybody that pointed this out to us that Brett
<v Speaker 2>did in fact win on the November thirtieth, nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 2>one Madison Square Gardenhouse Show when he pinned the Mounty
<v Speaker 2>with that same elbow. Wow, so he was in his
<v Speaker 2>elbow as a finisher phase. I guess so, pase big
<v Speaker 2>shout out to you for joining the eptor my friend,
<v Speaker 2>we want to thank you very much, Joe writes the
<v Speaker 2>German TLF fan. Not that he needs my validation or
<v Speaker 2>that he'll let even know, but it has to be said.
<v Speaker 2>Holy smokes to the German fellow. That's Ben who helped
<v Speaker 2>with the last two episodes. Guy is fan of the Year,
<v Speaker 2>Joe writes early odds on Favorite and its description of
<v Speaker 2>needing to do the research once he began. Just again,
<v Speaker 2>bravo and add a boy to that. Guy just dropped
<v Speaker 2>obligated to say something considering the time and effort dude
<v Speaker 2>put into it all the best. You guys truly are
<v Speaker 2>the best college podcast around. I agree. Are there college
<v Speaker 2>podcast awards we can enter too? Oh? We really should
<v Speaker 2>we should just enter them. Wait wait a minute, how
<v Speaker 2>old are you guys? You guys in college? How do
<v Speaker 2>you guys consider yourself a college pop baller? Fans say it,
<v Speaker 2>listeners say, we're a college podcast all the time. So
<v Speaker 2>who are we to question? Well, well, what college are you? Guys?
<v Speaker 2>Affiliated with your mom? Your mom's university? Yeah? Why am
<v Speaker 2>you what? Yeah? We're we are we go to ym you.
<v Speaker 2>What's what's why am you your mom's university? I'll tell
<v Speaker 2>you one thing. I want to want to roll in
<v Speaker 2>Tom's backyard wrestling Federation. Here's what he remembers. Back in
<v Speaker 2>the late nineties, My friends and I had a backyard
<v Speaker 2>wrestling federation, and one of our factions was the condiments.
<v Speaker 2>We took red, yellow, green, white, and blue book socks
<v Speaker 2>and wore them as lugit door masks and had ketchup
<v Speaker 2>as a wrestler, mustard as a wrestler, relish mayonnaise, and
<v Speaker 2>blue cheese, which was I thought, fucking idiots, he said, seriously,
<v Speaker 2>it's the dumbest shit ever ketchup versus mayonnaise and a
<v Speaker 2>fight to the death. Brandon collared, Holler at you, boy,
<v Speaker 2>and thanks for that ep level tier, my friend. We
<v Speaker 2>appreciate the cake and the vote of confidence, Adam says,
<v Speaker 2>of course, Nash booked himself to go over COVID clean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>fucking you know, shit, I'm fucking a fucking yeah now
<v Speaker 2>paying me enough the fucking job to a disease. You're
<v Speaker 2>talking about covers, cover songs and the art of the cover.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, oh yes on the episode because the director
<v Speaker 2>had had done some covers and we sampled those. Williams says,
<v Speaker 2>Mad World was a great cover. But be careful summoning
<v Speaker 2>Donnie Darko around those. I know he kind of wants
<v Speaker 2>it to happen just so he can say that it's
<v Speaker 2>done and never has to think about it ever again.
<v Speaker 2>I do, I do want to just get it done.
<v Speaker 2>William liked Donnie Darko at the time, and Darko and
<v Speaker 2>Chill served me very well for a time. Yeah, I'm sure.
<v Speaker 2>Did I see that with you Donny dark Out? Now? Yeah? Good? Oh?
<v Speaker 2>I good to help people that don't know, it's just
<v Speaker 2>a fucking it's just a you know, it's just it's
<v Speaker 2>a film school. It's a film student movie. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's that. It's that especially of our generation, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>you didn't you didn't live, you weren't really a film
<v Speaker 2>student unless you loved Donnie dark You saw it. You
<v Speaker 2>had to love it, right, you love it? You had
<v Speaker 2>to fucking love Donnie Darko and I saw it at
<v Speaker 2>the Coolidge Corner Theater. It's a good start and I
<v Speaker 2>loathed it clothed, but it qualifies, and so I feel
<v Speaker 2>like we need to suffer through it Darko and Schille.
<v Speaker 2>He says, But the emo cult that sprung up around
<v Speaker 2>it is awful. Yeah, I wonder how much of Emo
<v Speaker 2>came from that. I mean, I'm sure it was was
<v Speaker 2>before then, because I mean, Donny Darko came out like
<v Speaker 2>while we were in college, right, but it's like two
<v Speaker 2>thousand and two or something, But it's uh yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>but it definitely again it it just again. It's one
<v Speaker 2>of those movies. It's one of those movies that you
<v Speaker 2>just if you're a film student, you had to love.
<v Speaker 2>You weren't allowed to not love it. And I didn't,
<v Speaker 2>So I guess I was never really a film student. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's my takeaway. Austin's back with more Smoke on the
<v Speaker 2>on the COVID movie, which is shot in Texas, is
<v Speaker 2>mentioned by Texas guy. Uh. He says, first of all,
<v Speaker 2>on the cover front, Johnny cash is hurt is another
<v Speaker 2>cover that is completely different than the original. I agree,
<v Speaker 2>and it's a wonderful one. So one of the more
<v Speaker 2>memorable packages they ever did was hurt to Eddie Guerrero
<v Speaker 2>after he passed away. That's a really I've watched that
<v Speaker 2>one a million times. It's a really touching matching of
<v Speaker 2>song to to visuals. There, he says the recurring theme
<v Speaker 2>great musicians can reinterpret great song successfully. Average musicians should
<v Speaker 2>refrain from giving us quote unquote their version. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>would endorse that. Yeah, yeah, well again, Yeah. What it
<v Speaker 2>really comes down to is two things is the is
<v Speaker 2>the artist good enough to uh to cover the song?
<v Speaker 2>Are they worthy enough to cover the song? And does
<v Speaker 2>it fit within there that that artist particular style without
<v Speaker 2>you know, is it a good innovation of the song?
<v Speaker 2>That's what really counts, right, and you know, if it's
<v Speaker 2>then you shouldn't do it. We spent a lot of
<v Speaker 2>time trying to piece together just what was the financing
<v Speaker 2>behind this film, like why did anybody find it necessary
<v Speaker 2>to make? What was the deal with the director and
<v Speaker 2>his history? And eventually we landed on it's probably like
<v Speaker 2>a Bible adjacent enterprise and new when sure enough, when
<v Speaker 2>we sat down to watch the COVID nineteen movie COVID
<v Speaker 2>nineteen Invasion. There's like a gratuitous Bible scene right in
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it, where guy's reading the Bible in bed,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like focused. It's a very subtle way of
<v Speaker 2>kind of making it all about God, which doesn't disqualify anything.
<v Speaker 2>It's just you can very easily be fooled into thinking that,
<v Speaker 2>like this was financed because someone thought it was going
<v Speaker 2>to be a terrific action movie, but actually it's sort
<v Speaker 2>of a trojan horse for some of that messaging to
<v Speaker 2>get out there. It always is. Yeah, and I think
<v Speaker 2>the Preston would Baptist Church factored in quite a bit,
<v Speaker 2>didn't it. Yes, Yes, that's what I mean. That's the presumption.
<v Speaker 2>We don't know for sure. Perception rights, it's the not
<v Speaker 2>all the dots connected, but a lot of the dots
<v Speaker 2>were aiming towards that that direction. And Austin says, I
<v Speaker 2>grew up minutes away from that church and knew many
<v Speaker 2>kids that went to their high school. My favorite nickname
<v Speaker 2>used around town for their very large worship hall was
<v Speaker 2>six Flags over Jesus. It is definitely in the vein
<v Speaker 2>of churches. The creators of the righteous Gemstones would have
<v Speaker 2>had in mind, and he says, growing up in Texas,
<v Speaker 2>I can spot a televangelist altright grifter when I see one,
<v Speaker 2>and our boy fits that vibe to a t with
<v Speaker 2>his with his perspective on the things, Steve the homie
<v Speaker 2>out in Ireland. We were talking about how wrestling in
<v Speaker 2>Germany was called catch and how you know, yes, catch
<v Speaker 2>up and catching and all that. Yes, Steve says that
<v Speaker 2>his supervisor and work is French and also refers to
<v Speaker 2>wrestling as z catch, yes, the catch ze catch, as
<v Speaker 2>well as being very dismaded in how many French Canadians
<v Speaker 2>work or worked in WW as they are Yankees with
<v Speaker 2>shit French. That's exactly shit, nothing more European than using
<v Speaker 2>shit as an adjective. You know, it's shit, oh shit.
<v Speaker 2>And he also says that Bruce Pritchard's in his podcast
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely something more personal to Randy never coming back
<v Speaker 2>to w B. Well, we can speculate on that all day,
<v Speaker 2>but that's of course the that's of course a subject
<v Speaker 2>of discussion on that episode as well. When discussing what
<v Speaker 2>could have been with Randy and Austin, Randy and Sean,
<v Speaker 2>you know in these programs that we never got to taste.
<v Speaker 2>Big reminder that whenever you want to support the co
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<v Speaker 2>to get those little boosts some folks that want to
<v Speaker 2>let you know that there that they appreciate what you do.
<v Speaker 2>Jorome also backs up that Bretthart used the elbow drop
<v Speaker 2>as a bee finisher because he's seen footage of him
<v Speaker 2>beating Moundie with it at MSG, and he says the
<v Speaker 2>episode that we did were, of course Shawn Michael shines
<v Speaker 2>with Sherry in his corner against Randy Savage, which led
<v Speaker 2>to the second straight episode of US going off on
<v Speaker 2>how incredible Sherry was and how much how pathetic it
<v Speaker 2>is if you don't realize that you know, or how
<v Speaker 2>sad of a state of affairs, it is if she's
<v Speaker 2>kind of forgotten, which I'm kind of afraid she is
<v Speaker 2>kind of a little bit. Yeah, I mean he's definitely not.
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't she's not on the on the Mount Rushmore,
<v Speaker 2>she's not on the pave the way, blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>Speech that the women's evolution era and all that they
<v Speaker 2>don't talk about her enough at all. Really, and Jerome writes,
<v Speaker 2>I think rather preciently, this episode really illuminates just how
<v Speaker 2>lucky both Shawn Michael's and Triple H were at having
<v Speaker 2>the right women in their careers. Yeah, no shit, Sherry,
<v Speaker 2>he says, was a huge part of hbka's early presentation.
<v Speaker 2>And China definitely boosted Hunter and ninety seven. And Stephanie
<v Speaker 2>was the final piece in Hunter getting into being seen
<v Speaker 2>as a true main eventor Yep, that's absolutely true. They
<v Speaker 2>have well, Triple H has Mick Foley, China and Stephanie
<v Speaker 2>to think for where he is yep, ye without them,
<v Speaker 2>he is not anywhere close to where he is in
<v Speaker 2>my personal opinion. Matthew writes to us he's loving this
<v Speaker 2>episode the Germany one as a fan from England who
<v Speaker 2>got his first taste of WCW weekly in the mid
<v Speaker 2>nineties from an unexpected source when cable TV first came
<v Speaker 2>New Yorkshire and one of the channels on offer, bizarrely
<v Speaker 2>it was a German sports channel called DSF. My ITV
<v Speaker 2>Region I TV is independent television there in the UK
<v Speaker 2>never showed WCW in the early nineties, so I'd missed
<v Speaker 2>out on that. Then one day, flipping through the cable
<v Speaker 2>channels in nineteen ninety five, I found it WCW. I
<v Speaker 2>quickly worked out the timeslots and never looked back. Like JP,
<v Speaker 2>I had been deprived of the Hogan Hey days as
<v Speaker 2>my fandom started in nineteen ninety one two, So while
<v Speaker 2>WCW audiences were pushing against Holkamania, I was happy to
<v Speaker 2>be finally getting to see a Hulk run on a
<v Speaker 2>weekly basis. So you can imagine how annoying it was
<v Speaker 2>for me when he turned heel By or around the
<v Speaker 2>time of the turn, TNTUK had picked up Nitro, so
<v Speaker 2>I no longer had to rely on DSF for WCW programming.
<v Speaker 2>It is a real nostalgie trip for me, though, remembering
<v Speaker 2>having to navigate a wrestling product in a different language.
<v Speaker 2>I kept the VHS tapes for years of events I
<v Speaker 2>had got from DSF uncensored ninety five, Starkad ninety five,
<v Speaker 2>Clash of the Champions thirty two, Super Brawl six and others.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until the UK got the WW network in
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen that I finally got to watch these events
<v Speaker 2>with English commentary. Imagine that you have these shows and
<v Speaker 2>it's an in language you don't speak, and you still
<v Speaker 2>watch it. That says something about pro wrestling right there. Yep, yep,
<v Speaker 2>you gotta still watch it, and without the interview segments
<v Speaker 2>being dubbed over. You think some WCW storylines were hard
<v Speaker 2>to follow at times, try following them with the commentator
<v Speaker 2>speaking a language you don't understand. Ah. Later I managed
<v Speaker 2>to get WW from DSF two, which is great because
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have Sky Sports, but I could pick up
<v Speaker 2>raw and the pay per views from DSF for a while.
<v Speaker 2>So for this English wrestling fan, this background in German
<v Speaker 2>wrestling on TV has more significance than you think. Thank
<v Speaker 2>you well, Thank you pal Glad to provide the service
<v Speaker 2>and Glad Ben Soffitt to put in all the work
<v Speaker 2>that he did. It's I'm just fascinated we talked about it,
<v Speaker 2>like the whole idea of what these wrestlers were doing
<v Speaker 2>in the Hasbro era and the Glube era. Yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Well we were just kids in America and that was
<v Speaker 2>the extent of our visibility into this thing. And these
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to Japan, they're going to England, they're
<v Speaker 2>going to Germany, they're going to Italy, and they're only
<v Speaker 2>going there. They're all over television in those countries and
<v Speaker 2>it's like the fucking biggest event wrestling fans in those
<v Speaker 2>countries had ever seen. They're flocking to it. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>we had no fucking clue back on Home Turf. It's just,
<v Speaker 2>I know, it is it's I mean, I know you
<v Speaker 2>kind of kept things a little quiet because you didn't
<v Speaker 2>want to. You know, you could kind of get away
<v Speaker 2>with doing stuff overseas that you didn't need to explain
<v Speaker 2>on American TV. But it is a shame they never
<v Speaker 2>really kind of talked about it and celebrated more of
<v Speaker 2>the overseas stuff. Yeah, it was kind of there's sort
<v Speaker 2>of such a lag back then. It's like, we talked
<v Speaker 2>about this because you were presenting the matches as they
<v Speaker 2>aired from the Germany shows on primetime. Yes, and it's
<v Speaker 2>not like they shied away from saying it was in
<v Speaker 2>Germany when they aired them. But we're talking months and
<v Speaker 2>months later, and also scattered about not on the same show,
<v Speaker 2>not even some on regular TV, some on Cossum Video, right,
<v Speaker 2>So it's by that point it's like kind of weird
<v Speaker 2>to make a big hullabaloo over a show that's now
<v Speaker 2>three four months old. You know, it's kind of like
<v Speaker 2>just matches presented from many different locations. That was just
<v Speaker 2>what the way they chose to present it. I think
<v Speaker 2>they were sort of bashful about the fact that some
<v Speaker 2>of them are so stale, and some of these matches, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>weren't necessarily fresh in that way. It's a fan.
<v Speaker 1>Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
<v Speaker 1>their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed fan
<v Speaker 1>wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about how Papa Shanko came to the ring
<v Speaker 2>on that episode with a smoking skull, and Philip puts
<v Speaker 2>it beautifully. He says, you have opened my eyes stone cold.
<v Speaker 2>Steve Austin truly was the second coming of Papa Shanka.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we spent enough time talking about that. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 2>I mean listen, he's the two smoking skulls. You know,
<v Speaker 2>Papa Shango the second coming of Stone Steve Austin, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh uh Steve Austin the first the second. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it's like coming up, Papa Shanko. I agree ya first,
<v Speaker 2>I mean double second. Second there it's amazing that it's
<v Speaker 2>really amazing that that Stone Cold Steve Austin is at
<v Speaker 2>the at the very least the third coming of Stone
<v Speaker 2>Cold Steve Austin. That's funny. That's the best part.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I'm always like thinking, like, what if we ever got
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes with this wrestler, what's the one most lapsed question?
<v Speaker 2>We could ask them, you know, And for Steve Austin,
<v Speaker 2>it probably would be like, do you because Papa Shango
<v Speaker 2>came to the ring first with the smoking skull, do
<v Speaker 2>you think he was the first coming of Stone Cold
<v Speaker 2>Steve Austin? You no, no, you got to do it.
<v Speaker 2>So Steve, here's the thing. So we're just curious. So
<v Speaker 2>do you think because the Warlord was a bald wrestler
<v Speaker 2>with a goatee who wore black trunks, that he was
<v Speaker 2>the first coming of Stone? Calls ee of Austin. And
<v Speaker 2>before you answer that one, do you think because Papa
<v Speaker 2>Shank came down and he was bald with a smoking skull,
<v Speaker 2>that he was the second coming of Stone GOLs dv
<v Speaker 2>Austin and you were the third. I love what you said.
<v Speaker 2>And before you answer that one, that was money, it's
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about that? How do you feel
<v Speaker 2>that you're not the original? Stone calls Divasus r I
<v Speaker 2>fucking question right there. We talked on the episode about
<v Speaker 2>a European rampage for the Commodore sixty four. Yes, oh, yes,
<v Speaker 2>the PC gaming system back then, one of those RAREBIA
<v Speaker 2>releases that weren't on a regular gaming console. Phil wants
<v Speaker 2>us to know that he had wwa European RAMPI wow
<v Speaker 2>on my Commodore sixty four. It was ridiculously shit. The
<v Speaker 2>C sixty four version was one on one rather than
<v Speaker 2>tag teams, but the roster was the same, with just
<v Speaker 2>one of the tag teams available to be your opponent,
<v Speaker 2>and the choices were odd. Typhoon from the Natural Disasters.
<v Speaker 2>You could play as irs for money Ink Jerry Sacksual
<v Speaker 2>Nasty Boys an animal from the Legion of Doom doesn't
<v Speaker 2>sound like much all thought was put into the that's
<v Speaker 2>awful playability part of it, That's dreadful. Neil has come
<v Speaker 2>to an interesting realization after the episode. A decade of
<v Speaker 2>TLF has taught me one unshakable lesson. Unless Brett Hart
<v Speaker 2>is committing adultery against Julie Sex is not nearly as good.
<v Speaker 2>And he also asks, is Brett Heart the David Hasselhoff
<v Speaker 2>of wrestling? The Berlin wall goes down and it all
<v Speaker 2>changes for these two guys. It's it's you know, it
<v Speaker 2>seems like it. You know, I think I think Brett
<v Speaker 2>and David Hasselhoff should do a tour of Germany together.
<v Speaker 2>I mean over in Germany. It's a thing and they
<v Speaker 2>had it's similar, it's similar, and that like there's this
<v Speaker 2>like completely inexplicable popularity in Germany when they were on
<v Speaker 2>television and equal measure and a whole lot of other
<v Speaker 2>European countries as well, but Germany was the one that
<v Speaker 2>saw this, this particular look, this particular body, this do
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? This particular essence is very appealing.
<v Speaker 2>So yes, ridiculous breettheart. A lot of things have been
<v Speaker 2>said about Brett and all of them true, but the
<v Speaker 2>David Hasselhoff of wrestling. I think we and Neil brought
<v Speaker 2>that one uniquely to the table, and I like the
<v Speaker 2>sounds of it. Carlo wants us to know that unt
<v Speaker 2>as we were talking about, means and schlogen, which we
<v Speaker 2>heard a hundred times, means to hit or to strike.
<v Speaker 2>So it makes sense you'd hear that on a wrestling call,
<v Speaker 2>and whiter equals further Okay, so und whiter schlogen means
<v Speaker 2>to continue beating. Wow, going to zip tide one guy
<v Speaker 2>while he busts open the other guy. Whiter schlogen. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>We were learning here slow, but surely we appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>To keep that one going. Und I love und is
<v Speaker 2>one of my face maybe my favorite German word. And
<v Speaker 2>it's just yeah, it's it's it's so unmistakably because because
<v Speaker 2>like especially when you when you when you kind of
<v Speaker 2>just uh uh, you know, throw it in regular uh language.
<v Speaker 2>It's like you say, here are the natural disasters, earthquake,
<v Speaker 2>ound typhoon and big shout out to to the uh
<v Speaker 2>to the homie who goes by that piece of shithole
<v Speaker 2>Cogan on Patreon. Yeah, he says that the title of
<v Speaker 2>this show, The Germany show sounds like it was created
<v Speaker 2>by Bill Mercer. Rest in Peace, By the way, Rest
<v Speaker 2>in Peace? Did you did you think about making a call?
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, well, I didn't even know
<v Speaker 2>until someone. I forget how I found out. I think
<v Speaker 2>maybe even you it was like it was weird. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a call. He might have deserved a call. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard.
<v Speaker 2>There were ones. Here's the thing. There are ones where
<v Speaker 2>it's there's no dispute. You know, you absolutely it's a
<v Speaker 2>call like when Dusty died, like or when Roddy Piper died,
<v Speaker 2>or when Gene Okerlan died. I mean you have to
<v Speaker 2>call on those guys. Mercer, I mean probably should have
<v Speaker 2>been a call, but yeah, it wasn't. The call is
<v Speaker 2>more there goes your childhood. It's not there goes someone
<v Speaker 2>that we learned to appreciate thirty years after he did
<v Speaker 2>he did his thing. You know, it's like we grew
<v Speaker 2>up on world class. Then then then it's a call. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I think that was kind of where
<v Speaker 2>I came down on it. But but interesting, him and
<v Speaker 2>China are the edge cases. Like do we call on China?
<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah, yeah, we didn't. I feel yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>mean And also China died in the middle of us
<v Speaker 2>doing something. We were doing something that can be a
<v Speaker 2>factor too, like what circumstance do we find ourselves in
<v Speaker 2>the moment we hear? Right, but yeah, that's something for
<v Speaker 2>the Moat Tier. We do try to share is when
<v Speaker 2>we do get get our act together and do the call,
<v Speaker 2>we try to record them now and share them exclusively
<v Speaker 2>with the Moat Tiers. There's some there's word of us
<v Speaker 2>sharing deaths. I remember one of the fans said, I
<v Speaker 2>found out about the last three wrestling desks from LAPS
<v Speaker 2>fans Patreon before use. That's how LAPS some of our
<v Speaker 2>listeners are that they're not glued to Twitter all day.
<v Speaker 2>They are not, which is a wonderful thing. And if
<v Speaker 2>you know, also, my dad will, my dad will. If
<v Speaker 2>he crosses my dad's path, he'll always send me an
<v Speaker 2>email or a text, yeah saying I sang my condolences.
<v Speaker 2>He can. He gave me condolences on Sydney, didn't he?
<v Speaker 2>Uh No, I think I told him about Sydney, but
<v Speaker 2>he gave me condolences on Like Paul bearer. Okay, sure,
<v Speaker 2>it's so funny, but I think he gave it. I
<v Speaker 2>think what was funny about it was that he gave
<v Speaker 2>it to me like months later. It's like it just
<v Speaker 2>kind of came across his feed right months after it
<v Speaker 2>actually happened. He writes, the title of the show sounds
<v Speaker 2>like it was created by Bill Mercer, WWF German European
<v Speaker 2>Christmas Star Wars, Cotton Bowld, David Carrie, Chris Mike's Suicide
<v Speaker 2>Rampage again nineteen ninety two. It's about this about it,
<v Speaker 2>Joe writes to us. There is a tie place local
<v Speaker 2>to me, and I'm a creature of habit, so I
<v Speaker 2>ordered the same garlic chicken saute. There are some days
<v Speaker 2>where it's just good, but then there are other days.
<v Speaker 2>There are other days, as David Lynch knows, right, yep,
<v Speaker 2>when the meal elevates to something better, and I'm always
<v Speaker 2>chasing that perfect saute when I order That's right. Isn't
<v Speaker 2>that the truth? It's the absolute truth. As we talked about,
<v Speaker 2>you know, David Lynch and his meditations on the perfect
<v Speaker 2>chocolate milkshake and slice of cherry pie and these things
<v Speaker 2>that you think are just these quirky things, he says,
<v Speaker 2>But the universe is in what he's saying. Yes, it
<v Speaker 2>really is, I mean he because you can all relate
<v Speaker 2>to that. Everyone can relate to. That is no matter
<v Speaker 2>where you go, no matter even if it's even if
<v Speaker 2>it's a fast food place, like even if you go
<v Speaker 2>to dunkin Donuts, like this is what I said my example. Well,
<v Speaker 2>get ready, Pap, Pap has got one on that right
<v Speaker 2>here there, there is a perfect you know. It's like
<v Speaker 2>I know when I've had a perfect dunkin Donuts coffee.
<v Speaker 2>I know that flavor. I know exactly what it is.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it is the way that it
<v Speaker 2>is and why it's so hard to land on right,
<v Speaker 2>but it's like it's it's you never know, you never know,
<v Speaker 2>he says, Pap does. Duncan is either giving you the
<v Speaker 2>best coffee you've ever had in your life or something
<v Speaker 2>that's barely drinkable, and there's no in between, and it's
<v Speaker 2>about a zero point zero five percent shot of you
<v Speaker 2>getting the best coffee. And it's always worth the gamble. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's the key. Yes, that's what David Lynch teaches us,
<v Speaker 2>that it's still worth it. You have to keep trying.
<v Speaker 2>That's what you have to do. You have to keep trying.
<v Speaker 2>I still try. I try for the perfect milkshake, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the kind, the kind that makes you come after right.
<v Speaker 2>I love ejaculation, love it. The feeling of coming is
<v Speaker 2>the greatest. Yeah, it's funny, David. I think you have
<v Speaker 2>a lot of company in that respect. Not one of
<v Speaker 2>your more controversial statements. Oh God, bless the man. God
<v Speaker 2>bless the man. Lots more to come. He is now
<v Speaker 2>firmly ensconced and lapsed care. I don't think an area
<v Speaker 2>show is going to go by where we're not going
<v Speaker 2>to hear from him a little bit. And that's a
<v Speaker 2>testament to the work boss Man brought to us on
<v Speaker 2>the Twin Peaks Cinemat journey. Still find myself when I
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden stumble upon some empty space in
<v Speaker 2>my day, which is very rare, I'm like, should I
<v Speaker 2>put blue velvet on? Do I dare? I know? I
<v Speaker 2>know I'm gonna do it eventually, I don't know when.
<v Speaker 2>Because of the Twin Peaks Journey under the Cinemat, I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to do it. I'm still I'm I'm mustering up
<v Speaker 2>the courage to do a lost highway, just to fucking
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, just to get that uh, just to just
<v Speaker 2>just to put context in that fucking horrifying Robert Blake scene,
<v Speaker 2>to totally that that scene is still man, it's still
<v Speaker 2>with me, it's still with me. Just just the idea
<v Speaker 2>that that that there's somebody who's you're talking to you,
<v Speaker 2>right in front of you, who's also at your house.
<v Speaker 2>It's horrifying. Oh yeah, Well, what was the other one? Egg?
<v Speaker 2>What was it? What was the other David Lynch movie?
<v Speaker 2>We'll get to it. Someone had written to us about
<v Speaker 2>how people like walked out of the theater in the movie,
<v Speaker 2>or or he heard from his parents that people walked
<v Speaker 2>out of the movie theater because it was so incorrigible.
<v Speaker 2>So Lynch, so Lynchy. Yeah, Zach writes, to the point
<v Speaker 2>about observing the small things is, you know what, there
<v Speaker 2>is something sobering to know if you truly observe your
<v Speaker 2>own life, you will only get the best version of
<v Speaker 2>your favorite things a handful of times if you're lucky.
<v Speaker 2>Ain't that the truth? Yep? Ain't that the truth that
<v Speaker 2>I mean? That's that's what we chase, Yes, and that's life.
<v Speaker 2>That's not an indictment on anyone's character. That's that's not
<v Speaker 2>a flaw, that's a feature. That's that's life is chasing that,
<v Speaker 2>because if you're gonna chase that, then you're just you're
<v Speaker 2>just twistling in the wind, right, I mean, you know
<v Speaker 2>you you want That's what That's what always makes certain
<v Speaker 2>things so special is that you do you want to
<v Speaker 2>keep You want to keep going back to You want
<v Speaker 2>to think you have something that you can look forward to, right,
<v Speaker 2>but really you're just hoping that it's the same thing
<v Speaker 2>you remember, and so rarely is it. But it serves
<v Speaker 2>to confirm that when it landed, it landed man, because
<v Speaker 2>I would I would rather have had those three perfect
<v Speaker 2>cups of coffee and chase it for the rest of
<v Speaker 2>my life that have never had those cups of coffee. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>I agreed. You know what I'm saying. It anchors you,
<v Speaker 2>It gives you, gives you like, all right, Well, if
<v Speaker 2>the chips fall a certain way, this could be another
<v Speaker 2>one of those perfect days. And we only have a
<v Speaker 2>handful of those two where everything's in rhythm. You never
<v Speaker 2>get bored, but you never get over over busy. You
<v Speaker 2>take advantage of the of a beautiful day. You know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. You're with people you love. It's that
<v Speaker 2>those rhythms are tough to catch, man. You had to
<v Speaker 2>catch those waves, and and you've got to try to
<v Speaker 2>make that day happen again the next day. Yep. And
<v Speaker 2>it probably won't, but you gotta have that. You got
<v Speaker 2>to have that that true north that you're going towards.
<v Speaker 2>It's got to come from within you. You can't be
<v Speaker 2>looking for it to other people, you know. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>David Lynch, I guess that is what I'm trying to say. Hmmm.
<v Speaker 2>Marty f thank you very much for your pledge, my friend.
<v Speaker 2>Welcome into the higher tiers of the solar system Patreon community.
<v Speaker 2>We should hope you enjoy the benefits you're afforded. Nathan Bennett,
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your pledge, my friend. That
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit, Hulkogan writes again, MTV reminds me of
<v Speaker 2>that local mall that was hopping twenty to thirty years ago,
<v Speaker 2>but now it's just a barren wasteland filled with novelty stores.
<v Speaker 2>You've been in the mall lately, My god, what's happening
<v Speaker 2>out there now?
<v Speaker 5>We?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh, it's a blood bath it's a blood bath. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>nothing is sacred. There's you know, it's kind of funny.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the mall situation. I've noticed you've either
<v Speaker 2>got great mall, a great mall, or you've got an
<v Speaker 2>absolutely awful mall. That's just that's it. On the verge
<v Speaker 2>of death. Everyone used to be able to have a
<v Speaker 2>local mall that was of a certain caliber, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in your area, not necessarily in your town or in
<v Speaker 2>your city, but right within driving distance, magnificant mall of
<v Speaker 2>significant vitality. And now there is one in your state. Yeah, two,
<v Speaker 2>two or three one. You know, you've got a couple.
<v Speaker 2>It just yeah, you've got a couple here and there,
<v Speaker 2>and the other ones are just hollowed out forever twenty
<v Speaker 2>ones that have been converted into like ballpit play places
<v Speaker 2>that that are the size of your fucking garage. And
<v Speaker 2>the rest of people just like walking around like aimlessly, aimlessly.
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing to buy, there's nothing going on. Everything they
<v Speaker 2>have is already on their fucking doorstep anyway, everything they
<v Speaker 2>want rather is already on their porch waiting to be opened.
<v Speaker 2>Just walking down. He's just like a lost souls. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's where there's so little good. As you know, we're
<v Speaker 2>trying to point it out. We're trying to put you
<v Speaker 2>up on game, folks. Empty fucking just empty storefront. It's
<v Speaker 2>just faded retailers, cornerstone retailers, the ones you thought that
<v Speaker 2>would fight through anything like you just look at the
<v Speaker 2>seers now and you want to cry. You know, I'll
<v Speaker 2>tell you. I'll tell you what. There's a mall nearby,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you. You know it's bad. You know
<v Speaker 2>it's bad when the movie theater goes out of business. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>and that's what happened, And now you're sitting on a
<v Speaker 2>future top golf I would say, right. You know, usually
<v Speaker 2>movie theaters are the are the things that keep malls
<v Speaker 2>alive these days because at least there's the movie theater.
<v Speaker 2>But when the movie theater closes, you stop and realize
<v Speaker 2>no one fucking gives a shit, no one, no one
<v Speaker 2>cares at all. Nobody is safe, that's right. Yeah, Oh,
<v Speaker 2>isn't that right? No one is safe from Kim Wood either,
<v Speaker 2>Oh not at all. He's a fucking beast. Take Tickled
<v Speaker 2>Pink to see how that one landed over on unheard
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. As we got into the four plus hour
<v Speaker 2>interview that the former Cincinnati Bengals strength coach and adviser
<v Speaker 2>to Brian Pellman during the height of his manipulative abilities
<v Speaker 2>pitting Vince and Eric against each other in ninety five
<v Speaker 2>and the contract negotiations, the thing reality challenge, the things
<v Speaker 2>he fucking should, the truths that he laid bare and
<v Speaker 2>wasn't afraid to speak to those cameras h Fixed Sports.
<v Speaker 2>I want everyone to know and listener, land, I had
<v Speaker 2>no idea that boss Man had the chamber loaded like that.
<v Speaker 2>No clue hit him again, Fixed Sports hit him again,
<v Speaker 2>Fix Sports, Reality challenged. They're all whores, he said. The
<v Speaker 2>boys in wrestling are reality challenged. Oh God, camera with
<v Speaker 2>the most pregnant pause you've ever not heard, I guess
<v Speaker 2>un Oh And as the homie Tom writes, what an
<v Speaker 2>incredible episode. Definitely the best dark sid unheard yet. And
<v Speaker 2>that's saying something one thing I thought might be worth noting,
<v Speaker 2>especially given the Solar Systems familiarity and veneration of Terry funk.
<v Speaker 2>I think the Funkster was ribbing Pillman with this chain
<v Speaker 2>yourself to the goalpost idea at the Super Bowl m
<v Speaker 2>Because metal detectors started being used to security for the
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl in nineteen ninety one for the Gulf War,
<v Speaker 2>and we're very much in place in nineteen ninety six
<v Speaker 2>with the Cowboys Steeler's Super Bowl in Phoenix, which if
<v Speaker 2>you don't remember, is where Terry Funk claimed to have
<v Speaker 2>proposed to Brian Pillman that he get in there and
<v Speaker 2>chain himself to the goalposts during the Super Bowl and
<v Speaker 2>the ultimate publicity stunt, and they wouldn't be able to
<v Speaker 2>remove him for thirty minutes, so the TV cameras wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>be able to ignore him, and he'd be a legend
<v Speaker 2>as a result. And that was when he's doing a
<v Speaker 2>loose cannon gammick where he was out there just trying
<v Speaker 2>to do anything he could to get fired basically from WCW.
<v Speaker 2>That was the idea in his head. Pillman Tom Writs
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have gotten close to the game, let alone the field.
<v Speaker 2>He either would have been barred entry or arrested outside
<v Speaker 2>the stadium. Might have still helped this loose cannon persona
<v Speaker 2>with the wrestling fans, but wouldn't have been a blip
<v Speaker 2>on the radar of the general public, especially back then.
<v Speaker 2>My guess Funk maybe had gotten a little tired of
<v Speaker 2>Pillman's I can work anyone routine interesting hmmm, which I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure it's spilled backstage, and was hoping to give him
<v Speaker 2>a little come up, and its a reminder of who
<v Speaker 2>the real best worker in the business was, or I
<v Speaker 2>am totally off in funk didn't know there were mental
<v Speaker 2>detectors at the stadium and honestly thought Pillman could get
<v Speaker 2>away with that. However, given what we know about Terry's
<v Speaker 2>relationship to Mick and how many times he playfully quote
<v Speaker 2>unquote ribbed his best friend in the business, I think
<v Speaker 2>there might have been a little glint in Terry's eye
<v Speaker 2>as he laid out this plan to Pilman, imagining him
<v Speaker 2>getting put in the paddy wagon well before the game.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the real story is, here's to kim Wood a
<v Speaker 2>good reminder that if real con men ever got into
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling, the Carneyes wouldn't have a chance. Fink sports Ye,
<v Speaker 2>that fucking fired down. We've been telling you, We've been
<v Speaker 2>telling you for years. Kim Wood knows. Kim Wood doesn't
<v Speaker 2>have the uh ah, kim Wood's just a fucking general.
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have the appearances to keep up that prevent
<v Speaker 2>him from saying things like that, noticing things like that,
<v Speaker 2>it's money, so fucking angry, so angry that it's No,
<v Speaker 2>it's money. No, it's a fucking a fucking line. It's money.
<v Speaker 2>You know what, Kim your god, damn right, it's money.
<v Speaker 2>Speak that truth. And like I said in the episode,
<v Speaker 2>if you're in the business and you hear him and
<v Speaker 2>you like roll your eyes, don't be madd he's talking
<v Speaker 2>about you. Don't be madd He's talking about you. Ye,
<v Speaker 2>Scott wants us to know. On Nomeo and Juliet, Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, signed up and it's going way back in
<v Speaker 2>the under of the Cinemat argall shit, that's the well,
<v Speaker 2>that is the uh. The most recent Hulk Hogan movie
<v Speaker 2>is Yes, as We did. Hulk Hogan's entire filmography available
<v Speaker 2>to you in the Under the Cinemat archives for your
<v Speaker 2>executive producer to your pledge at Patreon. He says, my
<v Speaker 2>kids are in bed and I'm watching this fucking movie
<v Speaker 2>by myself, just to hear the co chairs commented, that's
<v Speaker 2>something to see. Oh man tlf my apologies. Geno writes
<v Speaker 2>the cast that has me yelling Farina in my room
<v Speaker 2>like a psychopath. Oh Lee Morris, thank you very much
<v Speaker 2>for the pledge. We appreciate it, my friends. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>j W finally getting into the more ones. Okay, talk
<v Speaker 2>about Roger Moore in incredible James Bond Journey that's available
<v Speaker 2>for your Patreon dollar as well under the cinemat and
<v Speaker 2>he's finally getting into the Roger Moore at once. He
<v Speaker 2>says he's been putting it off but cannot wait to
<v Speaker 2>drop the knowledge he obtains on Roger Moore on my
<v Speaker 2>eighty three year old mom. Oh boy, miss Midge older,
<v Speaker 2>he writes in the Chairman, and thus was old enough
<v Speaker 2>that was able to take me to three of these
<v Speaker 2>Roger Moore ones. At least one was preschool era or
<v Speaker 2>kindergarten half days, all at an inappropriate age. She loved
<v Speaker 2>Roger Moore. We sat Mattine's Month's replays at the Cheap Theater.
<v Speaker 2>The matinees were enjoyed after ice cream at the Woolworth's
<v Speaker 2>Food Kiosk at Westland Mall, Burlington, Iowa. I wish I
<v Speaker 2>had more specifics, but I was like six years old.
<v Speaker 2>My brother had several versions of a cool Lotus submarine
<v Speaker 2>car merch, but he didn't get this special Bond movie
<v Speaker 2>viewing treatment. I had a matchbox James Bond Harvercraft. Ooh,
<v Speaker 2>it's easy to see how Octopus's red spandex clad army
<v Speaker 2>segued seamlessly into my love of pro wrestling, perhaps even
<v Speaker 2>explains my inexplicable love of red speedoclad Heel Paul Orndorf
<v Speaker 2>for White cheered in late August eighty six at the
<v Speaker 2>rosemonta Rizin versus Hogan for my eighth birthday. I was
<v Speaker 2>offered anything else but shows fake fighting as a birthday present.
<v Speaker 2>That tape is lost, but I assume the Toronto Big
<v Speaker 2>Event match is very similar. I haven't seen the more
<v Speaker 2>Bonds in forty plus years, but I've haunted by the
<v Speaker 2>clown Double oh six getting killed ever since. Oh god, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so just no your efforts, Boss, put that back on
<v Speaker 2>the table for him forty years later. Love it. That's
<v Speaker 2>to Paul Lantau, thanks for that increase in pledge. My
<v Speaker 2>friend is small, but we noticed it and we appreciated it. Sachster,
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome in Nick
<v Speaker 2>ossipoff on time fan getting back into the queue. We
<v Speaker 2>appreciate that. Andrew. Huge shout out to Andrew Dear's co chairman.
<v Speaker 2>I want to let you know that I am registered
<v Speaker 2>and running the New York City Marathon for charity. And
<v Speaker 2>he has exclusively listened to TLF on his long runs,
<v Speaker 2>and he says that both of you have fueled my
<v Speaker 2>performance hundreds of miles put in thousands more to go.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you both. I think speak for both of us,
<v Speaker 2>boss when we say go get that fucking shit to
<v Speaker 2>go fucking do it? You know what I mean? Yep,
<v Speaker 2>that's why it's worth it, because we're in your ears
<v Speaker 2>when you're doing things that are actually useful. When I
<v Speaker 2>hear about video podcasting, I've probably been in this rant before. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's like, who wants the listener that sits there and
<v Speaker 2>looks at the video all day? I know, don't you
<v Speaker 2>want the listener who's actually engaged in something else, like productive?
<v Speaker 2>They probably have money, not to say that's the only
<v Speaker 2>reason you want a listener. Bless the listeners that are
<v Speaker 2>broke can still dive into our ship. We love that too, Yep.
<v Speaker 2>But I just don't understand what what advertisers see in
<v Speaker 2>video versus audio. To me, it's like audio is I
<v Speaker 2>mean good with just pure audio that means they're serious
<v Speaker 2>people most likely, or maybe not. I don't know, especially
<v Speaker 2>because you know and and I mean two things number one,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and and and and listen. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it worked a little bit better
<v Speaker 2>for Unheard because we had the video footage of the interviews.
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's generally not interesting, like because normally it's
<v Speaker 2>just like, I don't know, it's just like a weird conversation.
<v Speaker 2>It's not done in a in a it's just an
<v Speaker 2>interview usually or just a discussion. And I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>I just don't find it interesting to see. I'm surprised
<v Speaker 2>so some of the people insist on it, you know, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because they really do. I mean, we saw that we
<v Speaker 2>did audio only for first season if Unheard, and every
<v Speaker 2>other fucking social comment was where's the video? I need
<v Speaker 2>the video, need the video? Give them the video, and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, fuck, these guys, where they that's the
<v Speaker 2>best part. I love it? Oh my god, yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>goes what one of them then, one of the most
<v Speaker 2>recent ones, just fucking I love this ship. A guy says, uh,
<v Speaker 2>better if we just showed the clips or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he said, Uh, this would be farm. This
<v Speaker 2>is three days ago. Three This would be far much
<v Speaker 2>more interesting and watchable if it was just the kim
<v Speaker 2>Woods footage. These these three quote hosts unquote are unnecessary
<v Speaker 2>and unbearable, unnecessary and unbearable. That there's our epitaph right there.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what exactly on the headstone. Listen. I
<v Speaker 2>I thrive on being unnecessary and unbearable. That's right, And
<v Speaker 2>the coffers and the coffers say it pays to be
<v Speaker 2>such right. But now when you hear that, it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I kind of I know where you're coming from, because
<v Speaker 2>when I see someone's face, all think about is their
<v Speaker 2>fucking face. And then you get into this incredibly shallow,
<v Speaker 2>like you know, experience where it's like paying attention. I'll
<v Speaker 2>tell you this too. You wouldn't get you wouldn't get
<v Speaker 2>the the I just we couldn't. I couldn't do it
<v Speaker 2>for that long. What the fuck are you serious? Exhausting
<v Speaker 2>six hours of video? That's impossible.
<v Speaker 1>It is.
<v Speaker 2>It is exhausting. It's a very very it's an exhausting experience.
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole different level because you got to be
<v Speaker 2>on like beyond you're using, you're burning calories. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you're burning, you're using muscles you don't use when you're
<v Speaker 2>just talking, because you're just constantly aware of what you're saying,
<v Speaker 2>what you look like, and where you're facing. It's just
<v Speaker 2>such a it's such a vapid thing. It's so fucking like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, can't we can't we make space for something
<v Speaker 2>other than constantly being on camera all the time right
<v Speaker 2>in this American life. I I just yeah, for me,
<v Speaker 2>I just don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I
<v Speaker 2>never watch video podcasts because unless I'm I'm using it
<v Speaker 2>for research, I just I don't care. And I sure
<v Speaker 2>hope a lot of this, like YouTube is the discovery
<v Speaker 2>think pieces YouTube. I hope people aren't confusing people using
<v Speaker 2>YouTube in their cars and just listening to the audio
<v Speaker 2>even though the video is technically playing or playing a
<v Speaker 2>YouTube video in their laptop while they cubbuts around the
<v Speaker 2>house and they can hear it, but the video is
<v Speaker 2>technically playing. I sure hope they don't confuse that for
<v Speaker 2>signals that video is the way to go when the
<v Speaker 2>only reason it's on videos because it's easy to find
<v Speaker 2>something on YouTube. That's the reason. That doesn't cause videos in,
<v Speaker 2>although advertisers want video to be in because you can
<v Speaker 2>charge more for a video ad than an audio ad.
<v Speaker 2>But that's just that's the same thing as audio. It's
<v Speaker 2>just they're using YouTube, so you assume it's a video
<v Speaker 2>view and it's not. Most people, a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>I think that use YouTube to access podcasts just hook
<v Speaker 2>it up to the car or put it in, put
<v Speaker 2>it in the ears, and they're listening to it just
<v Speaker 2>like they would listening to it on an audio only
<v Speaker 2>platform like Spotify, which also has video now too, of course.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I just it's it's kind of
<v Speaker 2>a weird. It's kind of a weird thing that people
<v Speaker 2>insist on. It's it's curious. And I'll and I will say,
<v Speaker 2>having done all the research for these unheard episodes, having
<v Speaker 2>read through all the transcripts and selected the bites myself,
<v Speaker 2>you do not want a podcast where these guys and
<v Speaker 2>gals are just talking for three hours of raw footage.
<v Speaker 2>You don't want it. It sucks. It's like you need curation. Curation.
<v Speaker 2>There are moments of inspiration, there are moments when they
<v Speaker 2>say things in a crystallized way that that that that
<v Speaker 2>sit in the mind that's the best part, is I
<v Speaker 2>I I would love to see the comments from these
<v Speaker 2>same people watching the uncut ship. Oh they have no idea. God, well,
<v Speaker 2>wont editing. Maybe maybe a little bit of editing. Maybe
<v Speaker 2>maybe someone give me some context. We did that, so
<v Speaker 2>you give you what? You gave you what you wanted.
<v Speaker 2>He said, no, no, you don't want that problem. It
<v Speaker 2>turns out when people say they know what they want,
<v Speaker 2>they're completely fullish. People don't know shit. We know what
<v Speaker 2>you want, and you're not don't know what they want.
<v Speaker 2>What did we say once upon a time, You're not
<v Speaker 2>gonna get get what you want. You're gonna get what
<v Speaker 2>we want. Thank you, Oh will Baber, thank you very
<v Speaker 2>much for your pledge. He gets it. He put that
<v Speaker 2>cake on the table. We love it, Morgan writes, while
<v Speaker 2>upgrade to the moat tier might have to be temporary,
<v Speaker 2>before going back to the EP tier, I could no
<v Speaker 2>longer deny what I needed. Mama sorrow is a national treasure,
<v Speaker 2>he says, Yes, thank you for the memories, thank you
<v Speaker 2>for the inspiration, and thank you for wrestling Mammy, and well,
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you for the vote of confidence, even
<v Speaker 2>for my dad. Just like oh, he's dumbfounded. Is he dumbfounded? Yep,
<v Speaker 2>because because all all the stuff that like drives him
<v Speaker 2>crazy is all the stuff that everybody loves. That's so funny. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's so funny. There's an audience for the things that
<v Speaker 2>make you want to crawl into a hole and die.
<v Speaker 2>Of course. Amazing, so amazing. Yeah, Well, short bursts, you know,
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing that's you know, you can't overstay, you're welcome,
<v Speaker 2>you can't over play your hand, and things that are
<v Speaker 2>just so endearing in a person can become their absolute
<v Speaker 2>worst qualities if you just spam people with it, like
<v Speaker 2>get the fuck out of here, you know. But now
<v Speaker 2>if you deliver it a nice controlled release, baby, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's the ticket. That's the ticket, and that's what we
<v Speaker 2>specialize in. So Neil had some great insight into MTV
<v Speaker 2>and the WWF. We talked about, of course, the marriage
<v Speaker 2>of these two organizations when we cover the nine eighty
<v Speaker 2>six Slammies, which was the final WWF broadcast on MTV
<v Speaker 2>until they came back years and years and years later
<v Speaker 2>for Sunday Night Heat. But it was the end of
<v Speaker 2>that relationship that so catapulted the WWF into a different
<v Speaker 2>Stratosphere the worst out of the score in the Rock
<v Speaker 2>and Wrestling Connection, Neil has a nice little piece on
<v Speaker 2>what it all meant and what MTV meant at the time.
<v Speaker 2>Hello co chairs. During your coverage of the inaugural Islammy Awards,
<v Speaker 2>you both expressed confusion over the end of the working
<v Speaker 2>relationship between MTV and the w during wrestling's nineteen eighties
<v Speaker 2>boom over the course of many over the course of
<v Speaker 2>many years. I you know, I still you know. Whenever
<v Speaker 2>I play that, I think about the fact that what
<v Speaker 2>you said is from a random piece of video from
<v Speaker 2>a nineteen ninety one Yes news piece about Twin Peaks,
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, that guy saying huh, like where is he?
<v Speaker 2>And I want to know who he is. I want
<v Speaker 2>to find him. I wanted him to know that he
<v Speaker 2>is immortalized. Now. That was a Minnesota radio station where
<v Speaker 2>they were taking calls from people who were anticipating the
<v Speaker 2>season finale. Yeah, yeah, and they're talking about like this
<v Speaker 2>guy would have Twin Peaks hour in the morning. He
<v Speaker 2>just talk about Twin Peaks for like an hour or two.
<v Speaker 2>And this guy just water cooler talk in the Twin Cities.
<v Speaker 2>Over the course of many years, I've worked on various
<v Speaker 2>music history projects, and there is admittedly very little spoken
<v Speaker 2>about wrestling and MTV. However, there is a large enough
<v Speaker 2>body of work surrounding the channel's history, and I think
<v Speaker 2>we can piece together what led the we to be
<v Speaker 2>broadcast on MTV, as well as how those same factors
<v Speaker 2>precipitated their exit from the network. Excellent. This is all
<v Speaker 2>admittedly speculative, but it represents my best guess after working
<v Speaker 2>with the available interviews, contemporaneous articles, and written histories across
<v Speaker 2>from multiple projects. Throughout its existence, MTV has been a
<v Speaker 2>land of contradictions that were never resolved to anyone's satisfaction.
<v Speaker 2>Chief among them was their relationship with music videos. Music
<v Speaker 2>videos were the lifeblood of the channel. They gave MTV
<v Speaker 2>a style and an identity that would tracked its earliest audience.
<v Speaker 2>The speed at which everything came to the viewer on
<v Speaker 2>MTV was otherworldly, and the deluge of artfully edited images
<v Speaker 2>and sounds would extend past videos by Prince and Madonna
<v Speaker 2>and permeate the interstitial segments, promos and interviews. The same time,
<v Speaker 2>videos presented the largest existential threat to the viability of
<v Speaker 2>the channel Throughout its history. When it was launched in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one, MTV's programming department came from rock radio.
<v Speaker 2>From its inception, the guiding philosophy of the channel was
<v Speaker 2>that it would be the equivalent of televised FM radio station.
<v Speaker 2>Of a televised FM radio station emanating from New York
<v Speaker 2>City with its staff plugged into the city's vibrant taste
<v Speaker 2>making music scene and co opt it to become trendsetters themselves.
<v Speaker 2>They would be able to see the latest acts in
<v Speaker 2>music firsthand, anticipate the next breakout stars before they made
<v Speaker 2>it big, and provide a unique audio visual presentation that
<v Speaker 2>was foreign to music to music fans in the early
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighties. I've spoken with a lot of people who
<v Speaker 2>were around for the launch of MTV, and they described
<v Speaker 2>the surreal feeling of seeing acts that they could only
<v Speaker 2>visualize through pictures and magazines coming to life before them.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we can appreciate how earth shattering that
<v Speaker 2>transition was for the first generation yeah to watch music
<v Speaker 2>videos unless we were there to witness it. It's useful
<v Speaker 2>to think of MTV in those early years as being
<v Speaker 2>similar to Ted Turner's TVs. Turner felt that the world
<v Speaker 2>would fall in love with the culture of Atlanta, and
<v Speaker 2>that if TBS reflected that way of life, that outsiders
<v Speaker 2>would also be smitten by the charms of their city.
<v Speaker 2>In the same spirit as Turner, If MTV could bring
<v Speaker 2>the New York City music scene in nightlife to a
<v Speaker 2>wider audience, they would have accomplished their goal as the
<v Speaker 2>country's first musical and national music out However, since MTV
<v Speaker 2>modeled itself at their NETSM radio station, they were going
<v Speaker 2>to bring radio problems with them to television. Every audience
<v Speaker 2>survey conducted by MTV showed an unnerving reality that when
<v Speaker 2>viewers hit three or four music videos that they didn't
<v Speaker 2>care for, they would change the channel and usually not
<v Speaker 2>return for an extended period. This is a common challenge
<v Speaker 2>in radio and why arbitron ratings are measured. As a
<v Speaker 2>listener tuning in for five minutes during a fifteen minute interval,
<v Speaker 2>radio stations expect you to frequently turn the dial. It's
<v Speaker 2>a challenge built into the medium, and programming directors have
<v Speaker 2>devised a variety of well worn tricks over the years
<v Speaker 2>to keep their audience listening, whether it's a call in contest,
<v Speaker 2>an interview, with a music star or ad free music blocks. However,
<v Speaker 2>those tactics only work if you are competing against other
<v Speaker 2>radio shows. Maybe your station has the challenge of retaining
<v Speaker 2>its audience for more than a few minutes, but so
<v Speaker 2>does everyone else and down and down the dial. MTV's
<v Speaker 2>competition didn't have those problems. They were up against all
<v Speaker 2>manner of television game shows, sitcoms, network dramas, local news, sports,
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Shows people were going to tune into longer
<v Speaker 2>than five or six minutes. MTV tried to package videos
<v Speaker 2>in unique ways over the years that were similar to
<v Speaker 2>the programming tactics of radio stations, guest celebrity vjays, specialty
<v Speaker 2>genre blocks, contests, etc. But none of them met with
<v Speaker 2>more than a limited amount of success. Music videos defined MTV,
<v Speaker 2>but they were also their biggest obstacle. It cannot be
<v Speaker 2>overstated that what a frustrating problem audience retention was for MTV,
<v Speaker 2>and in its early days, most acutely, the channel's advertising
<v Speaker 2>department was dismayed by the prospect of selling a grab
<v Speaker 2>bag of shorts listed as quote, music videos unquote, and
<v Speaker 2>TV guide with audience viewership habits that were that were
<v Speaker 2>that unpredictable. Perhaps advertisers could buy into the broader concepts
<v Speaker 2>behind them TV, but where were the shows? Where was
<v Speaker 2>the stability? Growing up, I was a big Buffy the
<v Speaker 2>Vampire Slayer fan, and even though it never got the
<v Speaker 2>kind of ratings that the big network dramas and comedies enjoyed,
<v Speaker 2>advertisers were impressed and how loyal its audience was. Through
<v Speaker 2>cast shakeups, network changes, and controversial creative decisions to directions,
<v Speaker 2>Buffy consistently drew sevens and eights in the Nielsens. Between
<v Speaker 2>four and six million viewers watched the show religiously every week,
<v Speaker 2>and we're not easily dissuaded from tuning in next week.
<v Speaker 2>While networks love big ratings, they love predictability even more
<v Speaker 2>because it gives you a lot of goodwill with potential
<v Speaker 2>sponsors when you can deliver a clearly defined and consistent audience.
<v Speaker 2>And it's why we're in this situation we're in now
<v Speaker 2>where Nielsen's tried and true method, as Neil talks about,
<v Speaker 2>of not trying to give a show credit for people
<v Speaker 2>that come in and out, or at least not trying
<v Speaker 2>to lose people that come in and out, you know,
<v Speaker 2>kind of giving an average of a fifteen minute quarter
<v Speaker 2>hour to account for the fact that people switch around
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Now we're in a situation we're streaming. All
<v Speaker 2>they want to say is just a viewer number, accumulative
<v Speaker 2>view number, and no one knows what that means. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they kind of do, but they don't know how Netflix
<v Speaker 2>precisely goes about it, or how Max goes about it,
<v Speaker 2>or how Hulu goes about it. Is it a view
<v Speaker 2>if you hit play on a tablet? Is it a view?
<v Speaker 2>If you hit pause and hit play again? Is it
<v Speaker 2>a view? If your screen buffers and reconnects. Is it
<v Speaker 2>a view if you stop, go to the kitchen, and
<v Speaker 2>then hit resume when you come back from the home screen.
<v Speaker 2>It seems to be. It seems like all these things
<v Speaker 2>are counted as views, and it matters if it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>matter if you change the channel. It kind of matters
<v Speaker 2>what happens, what your IP address records you doing on
<v Speaker 2>the device throughout the course of the thing, and then
<v Speaker 2>suddenly you're one person and your five views. And the
<v Speaker 2>Nielsen system that he's describing was designed to guard against that,
<v Speaker 2>so you didn't have a situation where one person was
<v Speaker 2>being double triple quadruple counted for coming in and out,
<v Speaker 2>and you guarded against that by the fifteen minute average.
<v Speaker 2>You guarded against also the possibility that six people are
<v Speaker 2>in the room watching the show, and you shouldn't get
<v Speaker 2>credit for just one viewer, you should get credit for six.
<v Speaker 2>That's why there's the panel style research approach where people
<v Speaker 2>fill out the arbitron rating sheets and literally agree to
<v Speaker 2>be measured households that are statistically significant for the area
<v Speaker 2>and have the demographic makeup where you could say this
<v Speaker 2>household is representative and we can extrapolate from there how
<v Speaker 2>many people of a similar constitution were watching the show
<v Speaker 2>at this time as well. It's that convoluted because the
<v Speaker 2>alternative is just to say this person watched. It's like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>did he really? Because I'm paying a lot of money
<v Speaker 2>for this ad, you're telling me he watched. I have
<v Speaker 2>no idea if he got to my ad or not,
<v Speaker 2>So how am I supposed to pay you? Here we are, though,
<v Speaker 2>right back to before all these innovations and all the
<v Speaker 2>currency of this marketplace was established, and everyone's taking advantage
<v Speaker 2>of it, right, and no one wants to let Nielsen
<v Speaker 2>under the hood on streaming they don't want to do it.
<v Speaker 2>They don't give a fuck they need to. Just you pay,
<v Speaker 2>you pay what we tell you it costs. That's how
<v Speaker 2>it's working right now. No third party to verify if
<v Speaker 2>people are actually watching or not. We need we need
<v Speaker 2>a Hey, I might just shed the magic word. Get
<v Speaker 2>me in there. All third party the shit out of them.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely. I love third party as a verb. I
<v Speaker 2>love it. It'll probably take a it'll probably take an
<v Speaker 2>Act of Congress. Literally, I wish they fucking would. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know why they don't, but I wish they fucking would.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's it's important. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's in many ways they the streaming. It's out of
<v Speaker 2>control with with I mean, I only speak from my
<v Speaker 2>own experience because of the fact that that streaming shows
<v Speaker 2>make give me way less money than shows on actual television.
<v Speaker 2>And intuitively, you know that actual television is declining medium,
<v Speaker 2>that millions and millions less people have cable every year,
<v Speaker 2>and that streaming is where it's at, and that's where
<v Speaker 2>all the eyeballs are in the next wave demographically that's
<v Speaker 2>coming through. Like we got to figure this out. Like
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make any sense that you're getting paid more
<v Speaker 2>and from a declining medium than one that has all
<v Speaker 2>the upside on it. Right, But it's because it's exactly
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, is the fact that there's not an
<v Speaker 2>objective party looking at it. It's all internal and they
<v Speaker 2>release whatever numbers they want to release. And they also
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, well, you know, yes, you know, we
<v Speaker 2>had this us this show had fifteen billion views over
<v Speaker 2>its first few weeks. But you know it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's relative because it's you know, it's not really fifteen
<v Speaker 2>billion views, because that's just you know, these are the
<v Speaker 2>things that happens. So we really you can't get paid
<v Speaker 2>like you think you should, right exactly fifteen because fIF
<v Speaker 2>because here's the thing, fifteen billion views isn't fifteen trillion views.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we get to fifteen trillion, we can talk business,
<v Speaker 2>but right now, these are just the things that you know,
<v Speaker 2>of a delicate nature. And advertisers are to blame too,
<v Speaker 2>because if they would just say, nope, no money for you,
<v Speaker 2>Amazon Prime until you give us the full transparency and
<v Speaker 2>meant it, if Netflix ads business can get off the ground.
<v Speaker 2>Until they insisted on that level of transparency they were
<v Speaker 2>accustomed to they'd eventually release the numbers because the wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>want to pass up that money. They're all doing an
<v Speaker 2>ad play now, they're all inserting programmatic in there. It's
<v Speaker 2>all AD supported now to some in some tiers, but
<v Speaker 2>now just oh well, I feel my feels like we're
<v Speaker 2>hip if I'm on a streaming if I'm in streaming inventory,
<v Speaker 2>so you tell me, you name your price so that
<v Speaker 2>i can feel like I'm doing my job because I'm
<v Speaker 2>on Hulu even though I have no fucking idea if
<v Speaker 2>anyone even saw the ad, no fucking clue. They'll spit
<v Speaker 2>me out a report that says someone saw the ad,
<v Speaker 2>but they're greating their own homework all day, which is one.
<v Speaker 2>It's one thing when it's like a you know, fucking
<v Speaker 2>banner ad for a twelve dollars toy from China. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's one thing to let Facebook tell you how many
<v Speaker 2>people saw it. But when we're talking like NFL football games,
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna give me a break Fox. We need
<v Speaker 2>the full breakdown and the public needs to be able
<v Speaker 2>to access it then exactly, you know you gotta pay
<v Speaker 2>Nielsen to get the full granularity on the on the
<v Speaker 2>tail I'm not saying that, but it needs to be
<v Speaker 2>generally circulated. How many people are watching these shows? If
<v Speaker 2>you are not to defraud the advertiser, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>therefore defraud the public in a way. You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>like you're inflating the cost of advertising so much that
<v Speaker 2>like only people that are selling the absolute premium products
<v Speaker 2>can afford it. It says, who, Well, how do we
<v Speaker 2>know that many people are watching it? You know, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's a weird deal we're in anyway, continue, where was
<v Speaker 2>the here?
<v Speaker 7>Uh?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? MTV needed the same level of audience stability. Unfortunately,
<v Speaker 2>when they launched the channel, it was with a skeletal budget.
<v Speaker 2>The music videos were paid for by the labels and
<v Speaker 2>given MTV at no charge. The arrangement was identical to
<v Speaker 2>how radio stations received promotional copies of new records. Why
<v Speaker 2>would MTV need a production budget when the labels shouldered
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of the expense. Uh. Nevertheless, MTV needed ratings
<v Speaker 2>and last and fast to keep the their ship afloat
<v Speaker 2>in the in their early years. Additionally, it had to
<v Speaker 2>be with programming that and that an outside production company
<v Speaker 2>would pay for and be willing to sell to the
<v Speaker 2>channel at minimal cost. It would help if that programming
<v Speaker 2>originated from New York City to reflect the channel's tightly
<v Speaker 2>honed image in presenting to their audience the city's nightlife.
<v Speaker 2>If they could get a critically acclaimed pop star with
<v Speaker 2>origins in the NYC club scene, like say Cydney Lauper,
<v Speaker 2>it would be even closer in keeping with MTV's image.
<v Speaker 2>More than anything else, it had to be the programming.
<v Speaker 2>It had to be programming with a loyal, built in
<v Speaker 2>audience who could be counted on to find MTV on
<v Speaker 2>the dial and stay there for an extended period, something
<v Speaker 2>that could calm the sponsors who already had one foot
<v Speaker 2>out the door on the MTV experiment. For MTV, the
<v Speaker 2>World's entertainment was uniquely suited to tick all these books
<v Speaker 2>very interesting well, I don't dispute the involvement of Dave
<v Speaker 2>Wolf in helping to broker this arrangement. It appears from
<v Speaker 2>all available evidence that it was fueled by MTV's desperation
<v Speaker 2>for cheap, original content more than their enthusiasm to pro wrestling.
<v Speaker 2>We saw a version of this story play out when
<v Speaker 2>SmackDown started on UPN and nine. Paramount was running a
<v Speaker 2>critically reviled and commercially disappointing second tier startup network, and
<v Speaker 2>desperately needed a show that could penetrate ratings, generate penetrate brother,
<v Speaker 2>generate ratings with a consistent audience. The we swooped in
<v Speaker 2>gave it to them. Even though the arrangement helped both
<v Speaker 2>ww and MTV, it was cattle. It was catalyzed by
<v Speaker 2>MTV's vulnerabilities in creating original programming. If MTV had if
<v Speaker 2>MTB ever found itself doing well, things would get complicated.
<v Speaker 2>While Wendy Richter and the The Fabulous Mullah were wrestling
<v Speaker 2>on MTV in nineteen eighty four, something incredible was happening.
<v Speaker 2>For a brief but sustain time, music videos caught fire.
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, Bruce Springsteen, Prince George, Michael
<v Speaker 2>Van Helen, and many others put out videos that year
<v Speaker 2>which the youth of America ate up. This led to
<v Speaker 2>an avalanche of new revenue from advertisers and record viewership.
<v Speaker 2>When viacomfirst announced their purchase of MTV in late nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty five from Warner MX, they were impressed enough by
<v Speaker 2>the network's popularity in that revenue in eighty four to
<v Speaker 2>give MTV a larger operating budget and a mandate to
<v Speaker 2>create original programming for the network in house. The artists
<v Speaker 2>who set nineteen eighty four on fire wouldn't have new
<v Speaker 2>music for a while, and the continued popularity of videos
<v Speaker 2>could not be guaranteed past that landmark year. We need content,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. Amidst the success was the palpable threat that
<v Speaker 2>hung in the air that MTV would regress back to
<v Speaker 2>their pre eighty four slump if a new generation of
<v Speaker 2>acts didn't resonate as well with their audience. With all
<v Speaker 2>these factors at the forefront of conversations at the network,
<v Speaker 2>it was time for MTV to create their own shows
<v Speaker 2>and play a bigger hand in controlling their destiny. The
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six Slammys landed at an awkward time for
<v Speaker 2>the rock and Wrestling connection. MTV was on our new
<v Speaker 2>ownership and with a robust budget to create new programming
<v Speaker 2>slated to launch nineteen eighty seven. While it's not clear
<v Speaker 2>what Viacom thought of thee being on MTV, it was
<v Speaker 2>apparent that the channel would not be in the we's
<v Speaker 2>debt going forward. Yes, this is still a window at
<v Speaker 2>eighty six where original ww programming and benefit will benefit
<v Speaker 2>the network. But Vince McMahon is very much a dead
<v Speaker 2>man walking on this broadcast. I don't know if he
<v Speaker 2>can sense the winds changing, but there is a palpable
<v Speaker 2>desperation on the slammis broadcast to do anything to impress
<v Speaker 2>a channel that ones needed him very badly, but was
<v Speaker 2>now on the cusp of bigger things, not a position
<v Speaker 2>Vince ever likes to end up in. So I'm always
<v Speaker 2>the bigger man. I should buy MTV. I made MTV.
<v Speaker 2>I made MTV. I made MTV into an entertainment conglomerate.
<v Speaker 2>That's your question, pal, what do you think the M
<v Speaker 2>stands for McMahon McMahon Television. Yeah, I can actually see
<v Speaker 2>like some regional broadcaster called McMahon Television. They are, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>for sure, twelve NBC affiliates and Greater Lexington, Kentucky McMahon
<v Speaker 2>and Television Corporation. That's pretty funny. Well, yeah, great stuff, Neil,
<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much for that essay. That's very insightful and
<v Speaker 2>gets us a little closer to understanding why the WWFMTV
<v Speaker 2>relationship went up and down so quickly. It just flamed
<v Speaker 2>right out, and I can confirm that trying to get
<v Speaker 2>some color from an MTV people on why it ended
<v Speaker 2>is not easy. Okay, folks don't necessarily want to talk
<v Speaker 2>about being reliant on WWF or why it stopped working.
<v Speaker 2>I think so. I think folks would rather talk about
<v Speaker 2>other things in their career than how they had to
<v Speaker 2>ride the WWF tiger for a couple of years to
<v Speaker 2>stay relevant. Christian a long time bad rock of the
<v Speaker 2>Lapsed Fan Solar System. Day one motherfucker has a wonderful proposal.
<v Speaker 2>He calls it Boss the Lapsed Fan Summer Pilgrimage. Oh boy,
<v Speaker 2>go chairs. As the summer approaches on ten years of Lapsed,
<v Speaker 2>I'm reflecting on how we are loyal Congregation of the
<v Speaker 2>Church of Lapsed can pay o much to the greatest
<v Speaker 2>award winning college podcast in the industry. We tithe, we
<v Speaker 2>give testimony, we offer praise in worship through the Lapsed jukebox.
<v Speaker 2>We even proselytize to wayward souls lost in the wilderness
<v Speaker 2>of modern www bullshit. We tell the stories, we sing
<v Speaker 2>the songs. We give of ourselves not because we expect
<v Speaker 2>a just reward and the hereafter, because we know we
<v Speaker 2>will get our just serving of pain right here on
<v Speaker 2>this land we call Earth. Yes, the Lapsed Fan, like
<v Speaker 2>the Mighty Army of Jericho and no Nut, Chris has
<v Speaker 2>openly served your hearts of zeal and zealous minds. We've
<v Speaker 2>beaten down the doors where people have attempted to walk
<v Speaker 2>us out. We've evacuated the Mongols and moondogs two and
<v Speaker 2>like the Christian Emperor Constantine, we've carried the banner of lapsed,
<v Speaker 2>which proudly reads in this sign conquer m. This is
<v Speaker 2>why I'm coming to you with a way for us
<v Speaker 2>to take it one step further, to be as our
<v Speaker 2>Muslim brothers and sisters are true to the faith. I
<v Speaker 2>submit to you the annual Lapsed Summer Pilgrimage. Throughout the summer,
<v Speaker 2>every lapsed fan, if able, will visit at least one
<v Speaker 2>site of historical significance to the era when it used
<v Speaker 2>to be better. There are many meccas and many city
<v Speaker 2>civic centers as well, and so I propose we create
<v Speaker 2>a list of the definitive lapsed UNESCO World Pro Wrestling
<v Speaker 2>Heritage sites.
<v Speaker 8>Boss.
<v Speaker 2>That's the notion you heard it here. First. The rules
<v Speaker 2>are simple. Each member of the solar system may travel
<v Speaker 2>to at least one venue or location throughout the summer.
<v Speaker 2>Take a picture of the place and report back on Twitter.
<v Speaker 2>At the end of summer, a list will be made
<v Speaker 2>of the lapsed Genesco World Pro Wrestling Heritage sites, forever
<v Speaker 2>marking the top locations representing why it used to be better.
<v Speaker 2>Guidelines One no building venue from the twenty tens e g.
<v Speaker 2>Anything built a renovated prier to two thousand and nine.
<v Speaker 2>Two must have at least one significant moment in wrestling history.
<v Speaker 2>Three can't include locations. Can include locations where studio wrestling
<v Speaker 2>or house shows were filmed slash took place, for example
<v Speaker 2>w R Alan Raleigh, the studio Allentown, PA. If it's
<v Speaker 2>still standing, et cetera. While we went we went yep
<v Speaker 2>in the Fairal House now Intown. It's still there and
<v Speaker 2>it's a great example of what you're talking about. Christian
<v Speaker 2>for a wrestling nay forty we stopped by Hamburgen Ringers
<v Speaker 2>roosts for a a blt oh. Four must include a
<v Speaker 2>selfie no stock photo and the sense of nasty sensation
<v Speaker 2>as well. And four must include a selfie no stock photos.
<v Speaker 2>So in the words of the late Pete Rose. How
<v Speaker 2>about it, Christian. I love the idea. I love it
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of reasons. One because you can trust
<v Speaker 2>the labs fan solar system to find the cations that
<v Speaker 2>no one else would find significance in. That's one thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we're not just talking about taking a picture of Madison
<v Speaker 2>Square Garden here, although that certainly belongs. I would actually
<v Speaker 2>urge you to get into the concourse and find the
<v Speaker 2>whole Cogan exhibit, right boss, or maybe even the gym,
<v Speaker 2>the Jim Londo's one. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I would.
<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, find the wrestling photos in
<v Speaker 2>the picture like wall of fame that circles around the
<v Speaker 2>main concourse. That's what I would do. Great idea. Love it.
<v Speaker 2>Or if you can get on the suite level and
<v Speaker 2>find the picture of Hogan and mister t and Liberaci, yes,
<v Speaker 2>great one. Go take a picture of the hotel in
<v Speaker 2>Minneapolis where the Minneapolis Boxing and Wrestling Club is headquartered
<v Speaker 2>and where the lady answered the phone wrestling office as
<v Speaker 2>depicted in nineteen seventy four as the wrestler, And we're
<v Speaker 2>vern fucking cut deals and cut checks and book talent
<v Speaker 2>and collected his percentage. Let's see these places, Let's know
<v Speaker 2>what they look like. Let's find a I think there's
<v Speaker 2>a statue of Bruno in Pittsburgh or a plaque somewhere
<v Speaker 2>where you used to live. Got to see that. You're
<v Speaker 2>all over the place, if you're within the sound of
<v Speaker 2>our voice. We know the geographic diversity of the listenership,
<v Speaker 2>not only across the United States but across the world.
<v Speaker 2>Is Steve in Ireland not going to go find the
<v Speaker 2>dano O Mahony statue for us? I think he is.
<v Speaker 2>I think he is. I think it's a fair ask
<v Speaker 2>who can find the Easter ragg picture of the chic
<v Speaker 2>and Fenway Park? I challenge you, it's there. Can you
<v Speaker 2>find it? I know where it is. Let's fucking go.
<v Speaker 2>I love the idea, Christian. It's a wonderful idea, and
<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful not only because it's brilliant, but because we
<v Speaker 2>are the only podcast with a listenership capable of executing
<v Speaker 2>on us in the way it needs to be executed upon.
<v Speaker 2>And so we're not even bashful about broadcasting to the
<v Speaker 2>world the notion the second you put it on the table,
<v Speaker 2>and long may you share the credit? So love the idea.
<v Speaker 2>Let it be the summer of Laps in your travels.
<v Speaker 2>If you find your place vacationing somewhere where any wrestling
<v Speaker 2>history took place, find a way the homie Blake. He
<v Speaker 2>sent us pictures of the Von Eric's grave site dabllas.
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. These are things that I
<v Speaker 2>never would have laid eyes on if not for enterprising
<v Speaker 2>members of the Solar System showing us, leading us to water,
<v Speaker 2>so to speak, so we can drink. So love the
<v Speaker 2>idea and let it be a summer of lapsed and
<v Speaker 2>let it long made continue. You can't find the Silver
<v Speaker 2>Dome anymore, unfortunately, although I know it's probably there's probably
<v Speaker 2>some vestige of it left. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, long standing,
<v Speaker 2>rock solid member of the Solar System rights drafting a
<v Speaker 2>legal document and literally had to specifically distinguish between tax
<v Speaker 2>forms filed for traditional employees and independent contractors. Your motors
<v Speaker 2>needed a refresher. Your motor, this motor he's talking about himself,
<v Speaker 2>needed a refresher on the mechanics. So what did he
<v Speaker 2>consult as an obvious source of truth on the matter.
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Nash Shoot interview. Yes, that's Laps, absolutely that's lapsed.
<v Speaker 2>Michael writes to us, I discovered your podcast several years
<v Speaker 2>ago while searching for something to listen to at work.
<v Speaker 2>Since then, I went along every Journey mains a w
<v Speaker 2>A World Class starcade. About a year ago, I finally
<v Speaker 2>broke down and about a lapsed fan shirt from Pro
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling Tease, wearing it at least once a week while
<v Speaker 2>out in about I hope someone will recognize it and
<v Speaker 2>maybe say you a fan, But sadly that has yet
<v Speaker 2>to happen. Still hoping that day will come. After listening
<v Speaker 2>to the Wrestling with Shadows episode I wanted more, I
<v Speaker 2>was saddened to see the Beyond the Mat episode locked
<v Speaker 2>by a paywall. I think we eventually put that in
<v Speaker 2>the main feed, didn't we? I think we hit I
<v Speaker 2>think that's a uh no, I don't think so, because
<v Speaker 2>it's still kind of newish. Maybe we put maybe we
<v Speaker 2>put half of it on. Maybe I'm thinking of Paradise Alley.
<v Speaker 2>Then me put Paradise Alley up. It was part of
<v Speaker 2>the lapsed funk. We did surface some use the lips funk.
<v Speaker 2>It happened. We did be on the mat in the
<v Speaker 2>midst of the laps funk correct correct, So yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe that'll find its way one day, maybe a
<v Speaker 2>little matriculate, because that's one of those one of those
<v Speaker 2>bedrock ones that after they've been on the Patreon shell
<v Speaker 2>for a while, it's time to let the people. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>it's like throwing the steak down the down the basement
<v Speaker 2>stairs to the docks down there. I'm a cheap bastard,
<v Speaker 2>he writes. That's okay, but I finally grew a pair
<v Speaker 2>of grapefruits and decided to pay my dues. So twenty dollars.
<v Speaker 2>It is bingo, but it's well worth every penny, and
<v Speaker 2>you guys deserve all of it. Thanks for all you do,
<v Speaker 2>Long Live Lapsed Michael. Thank you very much for the
<v Speaker 2>email and for the support, and we're very grateful that
<v Speaker 2>you saw us fit to put some cake on the table.
<v Speaker 2>Put some cake on the table. You're not as cheap
<v Speaker 2>as you thought you were, Buddy Bruno. I want to
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for upping that pledge. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure, Ali,
<v Speaker 2>thank you, he writes. Why is the concept of loading
<v Speaker 2>something i e. A boot, a glove or a purse
<v Speaker 2>so funny?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, can you help us with this, boss.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, just think about the idea that
<v Speaker 2>it's loaded. Is it nachos, baked potato? I mean, what
<v Speaker 2>are you putting in a boot that makes it loaded?
<v Speaker 2>You know? Are you are you feeling it with cement?
<v Speaker 2>Is it loaded with like the purses have a brick
<v Speaker 2>in them? Usually? Right? But like why is the is
<v Speaker 2>you know, the loaded the Haliburton briefcase. You know, as
<v Speaker 2>there's the idea of loading something and the fact that
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess what really makes it even funnier
<v Speaker 2>is that it's as it's it's still easy to pick
<v Speaker 2>up no matter how loaded it is and swing it
<v Speaker 2>full speed, you know, right, you know, you can still
<v Speaker 2>just toss it like a like a like a pebble
<v Speaker 2>and name something even though it's loaded. Name something you
<v Speaker 2>could toss like a pebble that would hurt more if
<v Speaker 2>it hit someone in the head than if you just
<v Speaker 2>had this right. I mean, if you think about it,
<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, if you're gonna if you get to
<v Speaker 2>actually load something so that it hurts somebody more, you
<v Speaker 2>have to put a lot of shit in to make
<v Speaker 2>it and to make it really heavy, not just a
<v Speaker 2>little It's funny. A thin film strip of steel in
<v Speaker 2>the in the mask, you know, to add to that
<v Speaker 2>head button, right right, hilarious, It is funny. Loaded boots
<v Speaker 2>are fucking hilarious. Loaded. Give me a loaded full of shit,
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. Load. Yeah, Actually a lot of
<v Speaker 2>these guys get loaded after the shows. We said earlier
<v Speaker 2>and at the credit here goes to Josh. Josh is
<v Speaker 2>the one that linked us up to the Austin versus
<v Speaker 2>Savage WCW match. So I wanted to throw appreci his way. Appreac.
<v Speaker 2>That's a new one, Chad Kroeger. Yeah, I just want
<v Speaker 2>to sho appreached to Mondays. Now I know you're thinking, Chad,
<v Speaker 2>she appreached to Mondays. Cobra Jones, thank you very much
<v Speaker 2>for your meaty pledge. We appreciate the cake. Andrew, who's
<v Speaker 2>a great supporter of the fucking cast Mabel Toys Rocking
<v Speaker 2>and Rolling right, we're talking, oh yeah, oh yeah. He's
<v Speaker 2>friendly with Larry's Abisco. He has talked about this over
<v Speaker 2>the years, and we were talking on our World War
<v Speaker 2>three nine ninety six episode what about Larry? What was
<v Speaker 2>he thinking when the barbarian was laying into Lee Marshall
<v Speaker 2>at ringside and what appeared to be an unscripted attack
<v Speaker 2>where Lee Marshall suddenly was thrust into the position of
<v Speaker 2>having to sell for a monster pro wrestler and still
<v Speaker 2>somehow commentate the the Battle Royal. Unfortunately for us, well,
<v Speaker 2>fortunately for us, Andrew was able to ask Larry. Unfortunately
<v Speaker 2>for us, Larry had no recollection whatsoever course of the
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. But I felt that it was worth reporting
<v Speaker 2>back because Android made the effort. And he also urges
<v Speaker 2>you to check out Larry's Obisco's song. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you know that there was a Larry's Abisco song. Boss.
<v Speaker 2>Do you hear anything about this? No, there's a We'll
<v Speaker 2>come up on it later too. Someone linked us to
<v Speaker 2>a great compendium that someone had created on a website
<v Speaker 2>of like wrestling related albums, and there's like a hundred
<v Speaker 2>of them on there. It's like there are so many
<v Speaker 2>of these novelty things along the lines of the wrestling album.
<v Speaker 2>And we spent a lot of time getting into getting
<v Speaker 2>into the wrestling album. Uh and and kind of it's
<v Speaker 2>pre its precursors when we did the Slammy Show and
<v Speaker 2>all of the things that you know, all all the
<v Speaker 2>things that that fit that category. I'm trying to find
<v Speaker 2>here it's a Bisco's song. I'm not going to find it,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. But it's called boo on me. If
<v Speaker 2>you want to try to find it on us.
<v Speaker 1>He's a laps fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
<v Speaker 1>knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
<v Speaker 1>He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio
<v Speaker 1>and JP Sorrow.
<v Speaker 2>Here it comes t L A f l's us go
<v Speaker 2>boo on a man? Oh hate? So come on, you
<v Speaker 2>just can't wait. That's poo Yeah you did. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>this make me cry. Enjoy that.
<v Speaker 5>No.
<v Speaker 2>I figured we owed it to Andrew Putting in the world. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>what a fuck. They're trying to get it relaunched. They
<v Speaker 2>think there's a market. Get on Spotify, baby, send some
<v Speaker 2>some royalties. The Legend's Way and the golf Polo. Dan
<v Speaker 2>wants you to know that. Coincidentally, twin Peaks is also
<v Speaker 2>the name of a sleazy hooter's knockoff restaurant, Chaine Twin
<v Speaker 2>Peaks Restaurant dot com. Boss. Well, I mean, hey, let's
<v Speaker 2>do it makes less sense as fan Marv. Great to
<v Speaker 2>see backpal. Thank you very much for your support. We
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Graveyard Entertainment also a wonderful supporter on Patreon.
<v Speaker 2>He says, if being excited by nine hours on a
<v Speaker 2>movie isn't a clear indication that I have a problem,
<v Speaker 2>there is no problem, and that's exactly correct. Logan writes,
<v Speaker 2>thank you for taking this journey into David Lynch. His
<v Speaker 2>work was a blind spot for me, so it's been
<v Speaker 2>great learning about him. I've seen all his movies now,
<v Speaker 2>and on season three of Twin Peaks, I highly recommend
<v Speaker 2>to The Straight Story. It's a heartwarming and very well
<v Speaker 2>acted story of a seventy three year old man determined
<v Speaker 2>to make amends with his brother, with one hilarious scene
<v Speaker 2>that reminds you it's a Lynch movie. My favorite of
<v Speaker 2>his would be Blue Velvet. However, I still think of
<v Speaker 2>that movie over a month after seeing it. Also, the
<v Speaker 2>original pilot for mohalland Drive is up on Internet archive
<v Speaker 2>if anyone is interested in watching it is Doctor, which
<v Speaker 2>again is basically the same movie. For those who who
<v Speaker 2>you know, listen to the Twin Peaks episodes. Basically is
<v Speaker 2>the same movie, but without the female uh kind of
<v Speaker 2>love angle love angle, right, Yeah, so much, so much
<v Speaker 2>more to learn about David Lynch. But you know, the
<v Speaker 2>Twin Peaks connections were there, from some indies doing Twin
<v Speaker 2>Peaks gimmicks to of course the Brazan Goo and Tyler
<v Speaker 2>Breeze doing the Twin Peaks knockoffs gets on raw. So
<v Speaker 2>we had we had the connections we needed for that
<v Speaker 2>that stop. We mentioned the PayPal tip jar option earlier.
<v Speaker 2>Zach who just supports us in every way you can imagine. Also,
<v Speaker 2>uh gave us at a boy at the conclusion of
<v Speaker 2>the David Lynch tribute, sending us some cake and saying
<v Speaker 2>for the coachairs to give themselves the present of one
<v Speaker 2>slice of pie or a milkshake. We'll take We'll take
<v Speaker 2>up on that one of these days. Well, we'll have
<v Speaker 2>it and we'll show it to you. Yeah. William wants
<v Speaker 2>to know. Well first, he says, I'm proud of the
<v Speaker 2>Solar System for not spoiling the killer in Twin Peaks,
<v Speaker 2>and I love JP for the cliffhanger. Well done, sir.
<v Speaker 2>Did you actually tell Jack or did you leave him
<v Speaker 2>hanging as well? I told him, I did tell him.
<v Speaker 2>I cut you know. I don't he I even told
<v Speaker 2>you I cut that out of the episode. Oh shit,
<v Speaker 2>see I thought that made the episode. No, I decided
<v Speaker 2>to cut it out. I had no idea that about that.
<v Speaker 2>That's huge, What a great thing to talk about. Then here, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I I I I was. I got right to the
<v Speaker 2>point where I was about to say, and then I
<v Speaker 2>put the the montage on. I had no idea. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because you told me after we finished the movie in
<v Speaker 2>a way that still sounded like you were on. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we were on.
<v Speaker 8>We were on.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I recorded that was it. That was a
<v Speaker 2>decision afterwards. That was a decision, as I was probably
<v Speaker 2>why did you make that decision? Because I think people
<v Speaker 2>should see it? Yep, I think people should see it
<v Speaker 2>for themselves. I think it. I think it. It just
<v Speaker 2>it's such a revelation that it it's it's just amazing.
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing revelation. What do they need to know about
<v Speaker 2>how much more Twin Peaks they have to watch? If
<v Speaker 2>you want to divulge that even to get that, you
<v Speaker 2>just got to get through to find out, You've got
<v Speaker 2>to get about maybe a third of the way through
<v Speaker 2>season two. Okay, And I hope the theme song doesn't change, no,
<v Speaker 2>no at all, no im faces of the name absolutely, man.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that wasn't in my head, I put
<v Speaker 2>it on the car once. It's so great. I realized
<v Speaker 2>that's a great, great piece of music. I actually, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's funny. After I watched that the whole thing the
<v Speaker 2>first time back in two thousand and whatever, I I
<v Speaker 2>bought the soundtrack album. Wow, I bought the soundtrack album,
<v Speaker 2>so I got all that music, all that great Angelo
<v Speaker 2>Badam and oh God disusing it. Boom boom boom the waterfall. Ah,
<v Speaker 2>it's beautiful, Oh so beautiful. And then you have to
<v Speaker 2>hear the whole thing, the whole under the Cinema Lynch
<v Speaker 2>tribute Twin Peaks tribute is worth it to get to
<v Speaker 2>that end where boss Man hits you, that montage to
<v Speaker 2>that music of all the nuggets of wisdom that David
<v Speaker 2>Lynch portrayed and conveyed, I should say, in his time
<v Speaker 2>here on earth, and it is truly a beautiful ending.
<v Speaker 2>So highest recommendation. Tim writes to us son, I'm expected
<v Speaker 2>to you know, honest to God, that was not that
<v Speaker 2>was not on my plan for twenty twenty five, and
<v Speaker 2>amazing how that happens, son of a bitch had to
<v Speaker 2>go and die. Hey, that's another great thing about the
<v Speaker 2>format here. We're flexible.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>We strike when they're it's hot. Yeah, no excuses, clear
<v Speaker 2>the whole deck. We don't give a fuck. All right, fine,
<v Speaker 2>this whole podcast will be about Terry Funk for eight months.
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you, it's right. This whole podcast will be about
<v Speaker 2>TNA in twenty ten. Fuck you, No podcast will be
<v Speaker 2>about SID for eight months. We don't give a fuck.
<v Speaker 2>And that's right. Go fuck yourself exactly, Tim eat shit, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you're starting to get there rights to us on our
<v Speaker 2>World War three ninety six episode. World War three is
<v Speaker 2>probably the worst gimmick match of all. But as a kid,
<v Speaker 2>I thought they should have simulcast each ring. I imagine
<v Speaker 2>they may have needed to pay cable systems more to
<v Speaker 2>get three channels of pay per view, but maybe put
<v Speaker 2>the three rings on TNT, then hard cameras on each ring,
<v Speaker 2>and put it on the center ring on the main
<v Speaker 2>pay per view ring, then split the others to TBS
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, CNN, Court TV. There's the thought
<v Speaker 2>you can watch, you choose which ring you watch contained
<v Speaker 2>the stressing Ida that's not bad idea at all, actually,
<v Speaker 2>I mean if you had yeah, yeah, it could be interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Especially with streaming now, I mean it complicates it because
<v Speaker 2>if it's pay per view, you can't just as well
<v Speaker 2>put one of the rings on free TV. But now
<v Speaker 2>you could do it. I remember UFC used to do
<v Speaker 2>that when they used to have before they got in
<v Speaker 2>bed with the ESPN, they used to offer their pay
<v Speaker 2>per views on their own streaming service, like their version
<v Speaker 2>of WW network, and they actually went all out that
<v Speaker 2>you could toggle sound so like during the course of
<v Speaker 2>the fight, instead of listening to the commentators, you could
<v Speaker 2>listen to the corner men shouting the instructions and actually
<v Speaker 2>caught the corner men saying some fascinating things and some
<v Speaker 2>key fights over the years. That was kind of like
<v Speaker 2>an interesting fun exercises to go back and see what
<v Speaker 2>you could piece together just listening to the quarter audio afterwards.
<v Speaker 2>And you could pick I believe you could if I'm
<v Speaker 2>remembering correctly. You could pick camera angles as well. They
<v Speaker 2>did a ton of experimental stuff and it really was cool.
<v Speaker 2>But WW didn't do anything like that. I mean they
<v Speaker 2>would have to get buy in from like Peacock. It's
<v Speaker 2>not like they could just do it. But even when
<v Speaker 2>they had the network, there wasn't there wasn't much fun
<v Speaker 2>you could have, you know what I mean with like
<v Speaker 2>how you took it in and I wonder if that
<v Speaker 2>there's some space for that. Corey Barnett, thanks very much
<v Speaker 2>for your pledge. We appreciate you joining the inner circle
<v Speaker 2>here at tlf on. David Lynch, Carlo Wright. It's all
<v Speaker 2>about trust, after all. Without the trust, David Lynch engenders
<v Speaker 2>he is the definition and exemplar of the pervy, pretentious,
<v Speaker 2>tortured artist gimmick yep. For example, in the middle of production,
<v Speaker 2>he says to his lead actors, I just had a
<v Speaker 2>vision in meditation. I just added eighteen pages to the script.
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the two of you are going
<v Speaker 2>to have sex nude on camera and you, Naomi, you
<v Speaker 2>are going to lay down and masturbate. And what do
<v Speaker 2>you think about that? Girls? Very tasteful, very safe. We're
<v Speaker 2>going to need a lot of takes to get it right. Wow. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>that's what he did, pretty much what he did, ye Naomi, Naomi,
<v Speaker 2>you gotta keep doing it, keep rubbing the pussy. You
<v Speaker 2>got no farder, the not your the I mean pussy
<v Speaker 2>is offensive enough in that scenario, he says.
<v Speaker 5>The.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, harder, harder, Naomi, that is a huge distinction
<v Speaker 2>in life. Like we talked, We've talked about how much
<v Speaker 2>of a difference maker it is when a dick is
<v Speaker 2>out as opposed to end right, how it changes the
<v Speaker 2>entire mood within a twenty minute radius. But similarly, like
<v Speaker 2>the and your huge difference big is or that you
<v Speaker 2>know that is even better, like you know, like you
<v Speaker 2>just said, like you know, touch not your pussy, touched
<v Speaker 2>that pussy. I don't know even like you know, eat
<v Speaker 2>your dinner, eat that dinner, Eat that dinner, Eat the dinner,
<v Speaker 2>eat that dinner. It comes off so much differently. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>William writes, there was a Simpsons episode where Homer is
<v Speaker 2>watching Twin Peaks, sitting on the couch, a piece of
<v Speaker 2>popcorn clenched between his fingers, and he says something on
<v Speaker 2>the lines of this show is amazing. I have no
<v Speaker 2>idea what it's about. That's pretty good, and he remembers
<v Speaker 2>the six cassette box. Is that a Twin Peaks? Yes, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was a that was That was the VHS cassette
<v Speaker 2>they released vs. A VHS box set in ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>First and no, they released the the Laser Disc in Japan,
<v Speaker 2>but then the VHS box set in the State's huge
<v Speaker 2>in so you could get the complete Twin Peaks on
<v Speaker 2>VHS in nineteen ninety five. That's amazing. Yep, all all
<v Speaker 2>thirty up since the earliest I ever heard of something
<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I knew movies
<v Speaker 2>move they did that with movies. Yeah, movie, I remember
<v Speaker 2>they did that with the Star Trek, the original Star
<v Speaker 2>Trek movies, but not not TV I don't remember. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I know they'd have best of you know, or selections
<v Speaker 2>of movies, but not like that, not the whole fun
<v Speaker 2>That's that's a DVD thing exactly. William writes that six
<v Speaker 2>cassette box was what my local video store, which was
<v Speaker 2>called That's re Entertainment had, and was. I was slinging coffee.
<v Speaker 2>This is a great memory. I was slinging coffee at
<v Speaker 2>Espresso Royale. I'd take my tip jar earnings, walk from
<v Speaker 2>the coffee shop a block to the video store, grab
<v Speaker 2>a peeks, then walk two blocks to a Vietnamese takeout,
<v Speaker 2>then walked the last two blocks to my apartment I
<v Speaker 2>was in my early twenties and the late nineties broke
<v Speaker 2>as hell and it was awesome. Amen, man, you put
<v Speaker 2>me there. What a night? What a night in incredible
<v Speaker 2>Chris notices on World War Three nine ninety six. Under
<v Speaker 2>commented by anyone so far was Tony Schiavanni calling heenan
<v Speaker 2>Bob early in the zoo. Yeah, Bob, that's huge with
<v Speaker 2>his contemptuous tone for the brain. We talked about Tony
<v Speaker 2>Penya on an episode and Tom who knows the area
<v Speaker 2>well and World War Three, we talked about him because
<v Speaker 2>Tony Penya was a name that Viano three one under
<v Speaker 2>when he was unmasked when he first came to WCW
<v Speaker 2>and we were like, where is Tony Penya coming from?
<v Speaker 2>Why is that ringing a bell? Tom fills it in,
<v Speaker 2>which is another great use case for the feedback show
<v Speaker 2>and Patrio. Tony Penya was a coach for the Yankees
<v Speaker 2>after his playing days. Was on the two thousand nine
<v Speaker 2>World Series Championship staff. Also, I'm doing a Scar Blaye journey.
<v Speaker 2>We listened and just finish nineteen ninety six earlier this week.
<v Speaker 2>Always grateful for that lapsed serendipity, he writes, as as
<v Speaker 2>boss half remembered per that episode, And this was another
<v Speaker 2>thing that we struggled to recall precisely on the World
<v Speaker 2>War three episode because of course that's the first pay
<v Speaker 2>per view where Bischoff comes out as a heel as
<v Speaker 2>a member of the NYO, having turned on Piper a
<v Speaker 2>couple weeks before, but we couldn't remember, like if they
<v Speaker 2>just had him turn and didn't really explain what the
<v Speaker 2>hell would lead the fucking boss of WCW to join
<v Speaker 2>the nWo side. Per that episode, Tom writes Bischoff had
<v Speaker 2>offered if you can't beat him, join him as his
<v Speaker 2>reason for turning on WCW. Yeah, he basically says, because
<v Speaker 2>we were like, so he let Kevin Nash powerbomba at
<v Speaker 2>Great American Bash just to fool people for six months
<v Speaker 2>before you finally revealed what his grand plan was. But
<v Speaker 2>he goes on to say that apparently, which we have
<v Speaker 2>talked about in the past because we covered it a
<v Speaker 2>bit more on the nose, that he basically said after
<v Speaker 2>that attack from the Outsider, so the Great American Bash,
<v Speaker 2>he realized that he was just fighting an uphill battle
<v Speaker 2>and he had to So he's saying he's basically in
<v Speaker 2>the tank for the nWo. Shortly since, shortly after that
<v Speaker 2>and the Grand Plan revealed itself, and it was on
<v Speaker 2>that Nitro two or around that nitro where he was like,
<v Speaker 2>everyone has to declare their allegiance and everyone has a
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours or whatever the nWo was saying, everyone
<v Speaker 2>has twenty four hours say if you're with us or
<v Speaker 2>against us or whatever. So Chris, thank you very much
<v Speaker 2>for bumping up your pledge. We appreciate it. Up to
<v Speaker 2>that EP tier. That's that's a big boy move of you,
<v Speaker 2>and we note it and we appreciate it. Adam writs,
<v Speaker 2>considering how many TLF exchanges involve wrestlers transforming into others
<v Speaker 2>or having their CPU meltdown mid sentence, Oh boy, it's
<v Speaker 2>safe to say that the co chairman were lynching for
<v Speaker 2>years before this beautiful tribute. Very true, very true. With that,
<v Speaker 2>send me a related note, he says, I always thought
<v Speaker 2>Chris Isaac looked like a young Randy Orton in Twin
<v Speaker 2>Peaks fire Walk with Me, especially when he beats the
<v Speaker 2>ship out of the Redneck Shriff. Always liked those doppelgangers
<v Speaker 2>around here, ye. Jacob Wright started watching Twin peaks around
<v Speaker 2>the time the Deep Dive started, and I'm loving it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna mis lapsed Lynch. I hope you all finish
<v Speaker 2>the Laura Palmer arc in the future. I actually enjoyed
<v Speaker 2>you the first nine episodes of season two more than
<v Speaker 2>season one. Yeah, I mean, the beginning of season two
<v Speaker 2>is great. You agree with that? Yeah, oh yeah, Listen,
<v Speaker 2>it all goes downhill after after the revelation and when
<v Speaker 2>that when when the kind of when the Laura Palmer
<v Speaker 2>Palmer storyline ends. It just I mean, and again I
<v Speaker 2>don't hate it. It's just it's just not what it was. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because again, like I said when we were
<v Speaker 2>doing it, people don't know when they're watching something like this,
<v Speaker 2>they think they want they think they want the answer. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>but you don't want the answer because the fun of
<v Speaker 2>the show was in the who done it aspect of it.
<v Speaker 2>Once you know the game's over and that it is,
<v Speaker 2>and I think they could have, you know, the the
<v Speaker 2>I don't. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm not saying
<v Speaker 2>I knew the answer this and obviously we're looking back
<v Speaker 2>on it with you know, with the you know, with
<v Speaker 2>the Monday Morning quarterback here but you know, if you
<v Speaker 2>they if they were able to find another hook and
<v Speaker 2>like kind of have side stories that kind of overtook
<v Speaker 2>the Laura Palmer thing, that would have been better, you know,
<v Speaker 2>so that the Laura Palmer thing didn't always have to
<v Speaker 2>be in the forefront. It would just kind of sometimes
<v Speaker 2>linger in the background. They would always be present, but
<v Speaker 2>it might not be the focus of every episode. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just think that could have been better,
<v Speaker 2>and they could have probably played it for three five seasons.
<v Speaker 2>I think I've been in five seasons with it, and
<v Speaker 2>then you reveal at the end and it's fantastic. Huh. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that would have been That would have been the play.
<v Speaker 2>And speaking of leaving something until the very very end,
<v Speaker 2>we continue to be vindicated on the scene of heel turn.
<v Speaker 2>I said up the second we surfaced it here on
<v Speaker 2>the show that we're going to ruin it for you.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to ruin it for you because when we
<v Speaker 2>lay out how they should do it, yeah, everything else
<v Speaker 2>is going to pale in comparison. And from what we're hearing,
<v Speaker 2>it's not going so well. Yeah, as they went with
<v Speaker 2>a different tack, but your co chairman, in anticipation of
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania this year, cooking up a thought as to how
<v Speaker 2>we can put that one really under the microscope, because
<v Speaker 2>while we really shy away from doing much in the
<v Speaker 2>way of shows on contemporary wrestling, there are moments where
<v Speaker 2>people turn to us and say, hey, you guys figured
<v Speaker 2>out why everything in the past that we remember as
<v Speaker 2>corollaries to what's happening now worked or didn't work. You
<v Speaker 2>guys do the diagnosis. You guys do the you guys
<v Speaker 2>put it under the tightest microscope. You guys do the autopsies.
<v Speaker 2>What do you think? And people that listen to our
<v Speaker 2>live call and Elimination Chamber were enthralled. I was going
<v Speaker 2>through the feedback and preparation for this, so many memories
<v Speaker 2>flooding back from that live call, and how how hyped
<v Speaker 2>people were that they had done something so ballsy and
<v Speaker 2>something so third rail. And now here we are and
<v Speaker 2>it's a reminder of why it used to be better
<v Speaker 2>in so many ways. But we're going to take a
<v Speaker 2>closer look soon. Jeff did right to us, Sina should
<v Speaker 2>show up with Megan markele Wait, what was that again?
<v Speaker 2>Sena should show up with Megan Markel, he said, doing
<v Speaker 2>a subtle, but patronizing, holier than now Hollywood lecturing gimmick.
<v Speaker 2>That's the best way Markle has of drawing viewers these days.
<v Speaker 2>Would also help her public persona by pretending that she's
<v Speaker 2>actually got some self awareness. She would be a wonderful
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling valet. Yeah, I can see that. I can
<v Speaker 2>see it right now. It's better than Travis Scott, who
<v Speaker 2>we haven't heard a single thing from after being part
<v Speaker 2>of that supposedly iconic tableau in Toronto. You know, like
<v Speaker 2>he was going to be some inexplicable part of the thing.
<v Speaker 2>He'll probably be at maniacause I think he's performing. They
<v Speaker 2>announced that months and months before he participated in the
<v Speaker 2>in the Angle. But my god, I haven't seen Dwayne
<v Speaker 2>since come on Fox. I mean it's just a you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going through this feedback and everyone's like, oh, and
<v Speaker 2>then Dwayne can have got you know, corrupted him or
<v Speaker 2>brainwashed him or they've been working at all long and
<v Speaker 2>now everything Dwayne's been saying and doing makes sense. Haven't
<v Speaker 2>heard a fucking peep, my god, since it went down,
<v Speaker 2>not a peep. Unbelievable, And yeah, why, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we'll ever get with him, and you
<v Speaker 2>never get the answer, right because he comes up with
<v Speaker 2>this like, you know, this shiny version of the story
<v Speaker 2>that everyone parrots, you know, and I mean he's he
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, and he kind of reminds me
<v Speaker 2>of of of Danny DeVito in and Get Shorty. You know,
<v Speaker 2>he comes in and so it's like, you know, there,
<v Speaker 2>there's they set up this. There's a scene in the
<v Speaker 2>movie where they set up this uh this lunch at
<v Speaker 2>or breakfast or whatever at the ivy in of course,
<v Speaker 2>of course, right and so you know, but they're at
<v Speaker 2>in there this meal and Danny DeVito comes in and
<v Speaker 2>he's this big movie star actor and whatever, and he
<v Speaker 2>kind of orders the food for everybody, even though they
<v Speaker 2>don't want it. He orders a bunch of food for everybody,
<v Speaker 2>even though and it's like like everyone's like, no, I don't,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want that, but he orders it anyway, and
<v Speaker 2>then he has like two bites and he leaves and
<v Speaker 2>they're stuck with everything else they didn't want. That's the rock.
<v Speaker 2>Love it. That's awesome. The rock is Martin Weir. For
<v Speaker 2>those who know Get Shorty, Wow, Get Cool or I
<v Speaker 2>guess it would be get shortens. Get be cool, be cool, No,
<v Speaker 2>be cool as a sequel to get shortens. Ha Uh,
<v Speaker 2>nobody's nobody. Want to thank you for the pledge. You're
<v Speaker 2>somebody somebody to us pal brother, Thanks for the cake.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. Jeff also writes plus one for
<v Speaker 2>the use of the phrase greasy carneyes, with no disrespect
<v Speaker 2>intended for proper old school carneies. There is a difference
<v Speaker 2>circus carneyes. He writes, work together to work the marks.
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling carnies work each other to avoid having to work
<v Speaker 2>the marks. Yes, I like that quite a bit. We
<v Speaker 2>want to. I want to thank Josh for sending us
<v Speaker 2>pictures of Randy Savage as cabbage. I think that Randy Cabbage.
<v Speaker 2>You got me. I can't believe that I didn't get that.
<v Speaker 2>Did we did? We have a hole dissertation on that
<v Speaker 2>at some point. I don't know. I don't. I don't
<v Speaker 2>remember him as cabbage, you know, I saw. I will
<v Speaker 2>say that is one solid use for AI image generation
<v Speaker 2>is when someone says something that absurd and you can
<v Speaker 2>produce a picture like I just sent to you. It's
<v Speaker 2>the it's the it's the mouth. Yeah, he looks like
<v Speaker 2>he's struggling. It's always what you don't expect. It's always
<v Speaker 2>the it's always a feature you don't think. We'll tell
<v Speaker 2>the story that m is the thrust of the Homeandy cabbage. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's about Eric turning here, eating it, getting it boiled,
<v Speaker 2>working further that boiled. Didn't know what I mean?
<v Speaker 4>Ohad cabbage in the the corn beef, working it up,
<v Speaker 4>working it inside out. If you know what I'm talking about,
<v Speaker 4>Randy cabbage, delicious. Steve, our friend in Ireland, says, listening
<v Speaker 4>to Boss describe an Irish breakfast sandwich and have to
<v Speaker 4>wonder do Americans think the Irish eat corn beef?
<v Speaker 2>We do, Yes, we do. Think that's it. That's all
<v Speaker 2>you eat. You mean you eat corn, beef, cabbage and potatoes.
<v Speaker 2>That's all you eat. He says. If the co Chairs
<v Speaker 2>ever travel to Dublin, they will have to be treated
<v Speaker 2>to a real full Irish breakfast at the pub. Please,
<v Speaker 2>I don't want. I hate corn beef and cabbage like
<v Speaker 2>the fucking I can't stand it. I despise now. I
<v Speaker 2>despise a boiled dinner. I despise it, despise it. I
<v Speaker 2>remember I was I was in high school and the
<v Speaker 2>girl I was dating, like I went over to her
<v Speaker 2>parents' house for the first time and met them for
<v Speaker 2>the first time, and they make her mom makes a
<v Speaker 2>boiled dinner and I was like, what the fuck? And
<v Speaker 2>it's just the most blandest, tasteless. It's like, what, why bother?
<v Speaker 2>Why bother? It just ruins the flavor of everything. Can't
<v Speaker 2>stand it, hate it, hate it so much? Water still present,
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, And it's just like, you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>like you've basically like cleaned out all of the fucking
<v Speaker 2>you took it. You cleaned it right exactly. You cleaned
<v Speaker 2>off the flavor is what you did? You know? Like,
<v Speaker 2>I mean we had like it was. It was boiled
<v Speaker 2>hamd boiled potatoes and fucking oh, it's just vile. Like
<v Speaker 2>just shoot me, that's awesome. I quite like it. But
<v Speaker 2>and Nesten, I'm listen. Hey, it's it's popular. You know
<v Speaker 2>you should. You should go to my parents' house every
<v Speaker 2>fucking yes, I want it so bad, go ahead, get it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeh see he gets see. I like the actmath because
<v Speaker 2>I make corn beef fash out of the Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you like that though, interesting. I love cornbi fash and
<v Speaker 2>I like corn beef. I don't like the boiled fucking dinner.
<v Speaker 2>I see, like it's that whole thing that just like corny,
<v Speaker 2>the cabbage and potatoes and all that other shit. It's like,
<v Speaker 2>I just have no It's like it sucks. Man, Steve says,
<v Speaker 2>Get the jumbo breakfast, roll a full Irish and a
<v Speaker 2>French breadbag. Add a Dublin specialty. Count me done, done,
<v Speaker 2>Count me in. It's done. I'm there. You don't have
<v Speaker 2>to fucking convince me. Stop arguing with me, exactly. I
<v Speaker 2>know I'm one step ahead of you actually in terms
<v Speaker 2>of things. But he writes on Eric Bischoff's He'll Turn,
<v Speaker 2>I think the major difference between Heal Vince and Heal
<v Speaker 2>Eric is that Heal Eric never went anywhere. He'll Vince
<v Speaker 2>went from hating his world champion to becoming obsessed with
<v Speaker 2>seeing him destroyed. That's true, Heal Eric, just like I'm
<v Speaker 2>wearing jeans now, and that's the extent of my character. Well,
<v Speaker 2>and I think too much like much like the whole
<v Speaker 2>Cogan thing, there's a lot of real life circumstances that
<v Speaker 2>makes Vince McMahon a better heel Because you're also talking
<v Speaker 2>about you know what was one of the great things
<v Speaker 2>about about the early days of the Austin mcmahonson right
<v Speaker 2>after WrestleMania was the whole thing about him trying to
<v Speaker 2>make Steve Austin to the corporate champion. Yeah, right, because
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know about you, but for me, it
<v Speaker 2>made me think of Kevin Nash. It made me think
<v Speaker 2>of the whole Kevin Nash thing. They watered him down,
<v Speaker 2>like like, you know, you look at him and and
<v Speaker 2>Nash was great beforehand because he was a badass. Then
<v Speaker 2>he becomes champion and becomes the top babyface, and he
<v Speaker 2>becomes a piece of shit, and he becomes just a goof.
<v Speaker 2>And those last months before he left the company, he
<v Speaker 2>circles back around and gets in fastive about that, Like
<v Speaker 2>that went through my mind when that was happening. I
<v Speaker 2>remember being horrified and so nervous, yes about that, even
<v Speaker 2>though it's like it's so it's amazing how they were
<v Speaker 2>able to get you. Yeah, you know, because I sat
<v Speaker 2>there like horrified that they were actually going to do
<v Speaker 2>this to Steve Austin. Right, there was no way in
<v Speaker 2>hell they were gonna actually do that to Steve Austin.
<v Speaker 2>The whole point was that he was a fucking badass.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well, no, they went with it. They went all
<v Speaker 2>the way because, unlike with Diesel, Vince was willing to
<v Speaker 2>be the heel. It wasn't just Diesel voicing frustration, which
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure somewhere Vince's head would make him the heel
<v Speaker 2>to be so disenchanted with the circumstances that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>to Vince, anyone who's ever complained about their working conditions
<v Speaker 2>was a heel in his head. You know, so someone
<v Speaker 2>complaining about their working conditions and wrestling is going to
<v Speaker 2>be healed to the fans as well. It's no telling
<v Speaker 2>where the Kevin Nash character would have gone had he
<v Speaker 2>not jumped to WCW N ninety six. But that's where
<v Speaker 2>it was headed a little for a little while there,
<v Speaker 2>And you know, acknowledging Vince's the owner of the first
<v Speaker 2>character to really acknowledge Vince's the owner was Kevin Nash.
<v Speaker 2>You make a good point. Did Kevin Nash walk so
<v Speaker 2>stone Cold could run? Yeah? I mean I would say
<v Speaker 2>in many ways. In many ways, yeah, Bischoff just like
<v Speaker 2>did his smile and hung with Hogan and then feuded
<v Speaker 2>with Larry. But it's true, he didn't he didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a goal in mind, and and so. But but you know,
<v Speaker 2>but again there's also just the history because I think
<v Speaker 2>people people were frustrated with Vin sick Mann as they
<v Speaker 2>were with hul Kogan. Yeah, they weren't frustrated with Eric.
<v Speaker 2>They didn't really have any There's no right. Eric wasn't
<v Speaker 2>that guy. Eric wasn't presented as being as much of
<v Speaker 2>a presence in the past. I mean, Vince snick manhn
<v Speaker 2>did that fucking awful dance. You'll stand back, go right,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like this is stuff that sticks in the
<v Speaker 2>minds of fans because there's there's a long there's a
<v Speaker 2>long time that the steroid trial. There's a long love
<v Speaker 2>hate relationship with the fans in Vin sick Man that
<v Speaker 2>is present, and that's what made him a more effective
<v Speaker 2>heel because I think about two not only Kevin Nash.
<v Speaker 2>He had fucking you know, obviously the Brett thing. He
<v Speaker 2>had a fucking hockey fight with Brett in the summer
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. Remember that, that's right, pulled a fucking hockey
<v Speaker 2>jersey over his head, right, Yeah, good point. Yeah, these
<v Speaker 2>were all things Bischoff and never even came close to
<v Speaker 2>doing before he turned the heel. He was just an announcer,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Colin Nitro calling out Vince and being afraid
<v Speaker 2>of the nWo like everybody else for a little while.
<v Speaker 2>But he never he never did an angle before that.
<v Speaker 2>He never, you know, other wrestlers didn't really call him
<v Speaker 2>out before that. And right in the same way, even
<v Speaker 2>the even the Brian Pillman and I respect you Bookerman
<v Speaker 2>thing you know, that was that was corrected to Kevin
<v Speaker 2>Sullivan is the boss of WCW. Even when they did
<v Speaker 2>shoot style angles. There wasn't even Bischoff that they were
<v Speaker 2>necessarily calling out in WCW. They were calling him out
<v Speaker 2>on ECW TV, but that's neither here or there. Ludy
<v Speaker 2>Seve Austin putting a jet black wig on and pretending
<v Speaker 2>to be Eric Bischoff one time in he CW. That
<v Speaker 2>was something the big Buluski want to thank you very
<v Speaker 2>much for a big ball donation and pledge on Patreon.
<v Speaker 2>We appreciate it. My friend Brett writes boy with a
<v Speaker 2>in for an insomnia curing surprise with that Scena promo,
<v Speaker 2>he literally did the complete opposite of everything they predicted.
<v Speaker 2>Can't wait to get more into that. Mm william makes
<v Speaker 2>a great point on World War three ninety six, where
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Roads was on commentary, the word salad coming out
<v Speaker 2>of Dusty is only matched by the potato salad going in.
<v Speaker 2>Steve writes, Hello, co Chairs, while listening to World War
<v Speaker 2>three ninety six episode in your opinions, When NBO started
<v Speaker 2>to pick and become an albatross, I would like you
<v Speaker 2>to consider their biggest problem was Hulk Hogan. When I
<v Speaker 2>rewatched the nWo nitros on the network, I could not
<v Speaker 2>get over how much of a hangover on Hogan. A
<v Speaker 2>hangar on rather Hogan seems to be to the much
<v Speaker 2>cooler Hall of Nash. Hogan, instead of coming off as
<v Speaker 2>the leader of a takeover, comes across as a father
<v Speaker 2>having a midlife crisis, resorting to buying the high school
<v Speaker 2>senior's beer so he can go to their parties and
<v Speaker 2>chat up eighteen year olds. Yeah but I don't mind that. Actually, Wow,
<v Speaker 2>that works for me. That doesn't bother me, because that's
<v Speaker 2>kind of what he was. Yeah, that's kind of what
<v Speaker 2>he was, and it's it's true. And and the thing is,
<v Speaker 2>the nWo is not supposed to be cool. Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>forget that it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be
<v Speaker 2>an enemy. It's supposed to be something that hate that
<v Speaker 2>you hate. If they just let Scott Hall go out
<v Speaker 2>there and act like nothing, that he didn't care about
<v Speaker 2>anything and be sarcastic forever, it would have died in
<v Speaker 2>six months. Rights not that the idea is that you
<v Speaker 2>hate hul Cogan and I'll never forget, like even rewatching
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you get in your mind of the nWo.
<v Speaker 2>Like everyone was cheering the nWo, and yes they were cool.
<v Speaker 2>They were cheering the kind of cool as there were
<v Speaker 2>cities that cho and listen, they're chanting, they're cheering for
<v Speaker 2>Nash and they're cheering for Hall. But I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>what what whatever, especially in ninety six, Hogan would have
<v Speaker 2>the main event interview situation whenever he was on Nitro.
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of the thing. And he got boot
<v Speaker 2>out of the There was no popularity there, there was
<v Speaker 2>no people weren't cheering and they were booing the shit
<v Speaker 2>out of it. And the reason the nWo angle worked
<v Speaker 2>like it did wasn't just because Hall and Nash were cool.
<v Speaker 2>It was because people wanted to see WCW come back.
<v Speaker 2>And if all it was was Kevin National Scott All
<v Speaker 2>acting like they're in a Tupac video. It wasn't gonna
<v Speaker 2>work right again. See this is this is exactly it too.
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know if people realize, much like Twin Peaks,
<v Speaker 2>you don't you you don't want what you think you
<v Speaker 2>want right. You don't realize it at the time, but
<v Speaker 2>you actually want w CW to win. You want them
<v Speaker 2>to win. You don't, but you're you're kind of blinded
<v Speaker 2>by the the the kind of shiny thing ingenuity of
<v Speaker 2>this new thing, but never you know, it's like a
<v Speaker 2>brand new, shiny thing you've never even thought you'd see.
<v Speaker 2>The proof is in the pudding. When they turned the
<v Speaker 2>entire show over to them, the ratings tanked, the pay
<v Speaker 2>per view devoted to WO sucked, and no one bought
<v Speaker 2>it relatively speaking to other shows. Yep, they kept it
<v Speaker 2>going on for like four years. Yeah, It's just there
<v Speaker 2>was never a proof point where they leaned into that
<v Speaker 2>direction where people said, yes, finally this is the nWo
<v Speaker 2>show and not WCW. That's what I've been waiting for.
<v Speaker 2>No one wanted that, even if they told themselves they
<v Speaker 2>wanted it. When they did it. No one cared and
<v Speaker 2>it was actually a deterrent. It was a turn off.
<v Speaker 2>That's a wonderful point. So Hogan, instead of coming off
<v Speaker 2>as the leader he writes of takeover comes across to
<v Speaker 2>the father mid life crisis. Yep. Most of the perception
<v Speaker 2>the nWo is cool comes off from Hall in Nashville.
<v Speaker 2>Hogan segment just come off as verbal masturbation. Well, no,
<v Speaker 2>it's Sting. It's it's about him being the giant that
<v Speaker 2>Sting is going to slagh. You know, do you think
<v Speaker 2>Sting doing the whole thing he did brooding in the
<v Speaker 2>balcony would have worked if he was coming after Kevin
<v Speaker 2>Nash the whole time. No, that's not as big a
<v Speaker 2>match at the end. Big. They'd also played out the
<v Speaker 2>idea that he and Hogan were friends, right, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I I you gotta to me. The idea
<v Speaker 2>is you've always got to remember you know again, nWo
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a heel faction, right, That's what
<v Speaker 2>it was. We forget that. I forget it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know I again I bring up that
<v Speaker 2>Hogan the Hogan may have been interviews on Nitro as
<v Speaker 2>like because I'd like why aren't they cheering hok Hogan
<v Speaker 2>As I'm rewatching this, I'm like right, I thought they
<v Speaker 2>fucking loved him after this, and like, no, they don't
<v Speaker 2>love him. They still think of it as a heel
<v Speaker 2>But Kevin Nash and Scott Hall brought something different. They
<v Speaker 2>brought that kind of edgy anti hero popularity. Hogan was
<v Speaker 2>a plain old chicken shit heel See writes this all
<v Speaker 2>could have been avoided if the third man was Sting.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Sting would have been the perfect enemy,
<v Speaker 2>he writes, with it within to lead an nWo takeover.
<v Speaker 2>Sting had stayed loyal at WCW, even when he was
<v Speaker 2>downgraded from top star when Hogan came in, and once
<v Speaker 2>more when Savage came along. He was not even at
<v Speaker 2>friend of the top star level. For part of ninety six,
<v Speaker 2>he was even feuding over the TV belt he had
<v Speaker 2>graduated from in eighty nine. Sting was a victim of
<v Speaker 2>ww politics, perhaps invited two former ww wrestlers, Holl and Nash,
<v Speaker 2>who went to shut to start him in WWF after
<v Speaker 2>finding nothing but barriers and ceilings in their way in WCW,
<v Speaker 2>to come in with the knowledge of how to destroy
<v Speaker 2>a system that had wrung them all, now having Hogan
<v Speaker 2>be decimated to dash at the beach and take time
<v Speaker 2>off to let the fans suffer from absence, making the
<v Speaker 2>heart grow fonder before coming back as the Avenging Angel
<v Speaker 2>leading an army against an nWo trio. I don't I
<v Speaker 2>don't think so. Yeah, I don't think you're underestimating how
<v Speaker 2>much of why Sting was so electric was because he
<v Speaker 2>was mister w CW before he went prow And not
<v Speaker 2>only that, what made Hogan, what made the heel turn
<v Speaker 2>so money and so important and so right at the time,
<v Speaker 2>was because the fans were booing Hulk Hogan's act already anyway.
<v Speaker 2>That's what made it works. Imp clamoring crost the legacy.
<v Speaker 2>No one ever clamored for Sting to become a heel,
<v Speaker 2>like that's the thing Sting. Sting is for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>You know, there are there are these people perennial baby
<v Speaker 2>for some fucking reason can be perennial babyfaces. Nobody in
<v Speaker 2>their right mind is ever gonna Boosting. I don't get
<v Speaker 2>it sometimes I don't get joke or TNA. Sting was
<v Speaker 2>cheered over Hogan, eve Ye and Ricky Steamboat the same
<v Speaker 2>fucking thing. You could never make Ricky steamboat a fucking heel.
<v Speaker 2>It's just no one wants to bow them. And so
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. If people had been tired of stings
<v Speaker 2>surfer gimmick and they were like, I'm ready to fucking
<v Speaker 2>but they loved him. They loved him. I mean, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we worked hard and stuff and he was exciting, you know,
<v Speaker 2>So you had that and just a ship promo. But
<v Speaker 2>that's that's the difference. And I and listen, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>saying that a sting leed nWo wouldn't be interesting. I
<v Speaker 2>just it would not have made the money that Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>no fucking way. Just it would be awkward for Hogan
<v Speaker 2>to fly the flag because Sting was the one agreed.
<v Speaker 2>Sting was the one embodying WCW when Hogan was the
<v Speaker 2>top guys business across the pond in WWI. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we appreciate it. Stuvee, that's some thought provoking stuff. No
<v Speaker 2>pointless members, we can agree with that. No one ever,
<v Speaker 2>oh defends adding pointless members of the nWo. Yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 2>I agree. You don't need fucking Mike Rotundo and fucking nWo.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's ridiculous. Come and to appreciate Corey more and more.
<v Speaker 2>He's our homie in Winnipeg who is a fan of
<v Speaker 2>a deeper vintage than ours. And whenever we've got questions
<v Speaker 2>about early to mid eighties, which can be a foggy
<v Speaker 2>time period for US man as you fill it in,
<v Speaker 2>it's not often, he says, but I have to disagree
<v Speaker 2>with our co chairs. This is when we were talking
<v Speaker 2>about how Piper's ninety six WCW run was like some
<v Speaker 2>of his best stuff. Oh yeah, he says, eighty four
<v Speaker 2>eighty six Pipers by far his best run. I love
<v Speaker 2>the Heevers heel tag matches they ran in eighty five
<v Speaker 2>eighty six as well. Shek and Volkoff also wrestle the
<v Speaker 2>Heart Foundation and the Funks around that time. This is
<v Speaker 2>of course a comment on our Colsseum home video thing
<v Speaker 2>as well. The Killer Bees wrestled the US Express by
<v Speaker 2>Vibertuendo American Express for as well. Beef Kick and Valentine
<v Speaker 2>talk about the cheek Volkov match and shoot interviews and
<v Speaker 2>how over they were. And so he's he's with a
<v Speaker 2>eighty four eighty six Piper, which you know, God, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that's that's where his bones are made. That's his real question,
<v Speaker 2>no question, I just to me, I don't. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I think we both agree on this. It's the nonsensical
<v Speaker 2>promos that just kind of bother me, like they just
<v Speaker 2>keep going on and on, which I know that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of his thing. Coked out. Yeah, Like it's just like
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's a little much for me personally. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's always a home run. Back then, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's one thing to watch the lou Albano smash the
<v Speaker 2>record Angle and the fucking Jimmy Snooker Piper's Pit and
<v Speaker 2>the Dave Wolf Cindy Lapper Piper's Pit. But there's a
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff in there that was kind of just
<v Speaker 2>like meandering to your point, a lot of like local
<v Speaker 2>market promos. You watch him do back then, you're just like,
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck did he just say? Like he just
<v Speaker 2>he just made all kinds of gestures and squeaky noises
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. But I feel like that by the mid
<v Speaker 2>nineties and the w Stubby Bear in particular, he he
<v Speaker 2>went to that ring not only knowing what he wanted
<v Speaker 2>to say, but how to say it in a way
<v Speaker 2>that was like coogin but didn't lose that element of
<v Speaker 2>Pip Piper imprectability, but you still gut the message across.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just felt like he was a more.
<v Speaker 2>He was a more, He's a deeper character there. Corey
<v Speaker 2>also writes, you guys talked about Hogan's debut of the
<v Speaker 2>Real American theme song a few shows ago. Yes we did.
<v Speaker 2>I'men discussing the wrestling album as part of the Slamy
<v Speaker 2>Award show that December thirtieth match, which, as you recall,
<v Speaker 2>Boss we ascertained that the first time Hulk Hogan came
<v Speaker 2>to the ring to Real American was December thirty, nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty five at Madison Square Garden against Macho Man Y
<v Speaker 2>was vers Savage MSG. Hogan loses by count. Now, yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, Hogan loses the first time he ever uses
<v Speaker 2>Real American. That's something I always appreciate that. Yes, so
<v Speaker 2>Bez is among the others to point out that Bischoff
<v Speaker 2>explained that after Nash power bomb him, he had an
<v Speaker 2>epiphany and decided to become part of the nWo rather
<v Speaker 2>than getting destroyed by them. This was the same segment,
<v Speaker 2>he writes where he gave all WCW wrestlers an Ultimadium
<v Speaker 2>in November twenty fifth, nineteen nineties. Nitro yes, very much so.
<v Speaker 2>He also says that he likes the scene of suggestions,
<v Speaker 2>but considering the in cell fans nowadays beating up Nikki
<v Speaker 2>Bella might turn see a face again, Aced acts with
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful line, how many cows died the story of
<v Speaker 2>Dusty Rhodes, Chris says other podcasts, this week we are
<v Speaker 2>looking at WCW World War three. The first one. Here
<v Speaker 2>is the exact order of eliminations, where the announcers made mistakes,
<v Speaker 2>and how we would have booked the match the lapsed fan.
<v Speaker 2>This week we are finally doing World War three. Here's
<v Speaker 2>what's wrong with Queen of the Ring and this and
<v Speaker 2>this is proof that Craig Leathers edits his own Wikipedia page.
<v Speaker 2>I love you guys, he says, we love you too. Holler,
<v Speaker 2>that's correct, that is correct. Listen and everything gets included.
<v Speaker 2>Adam points out something interesting I hadn't noticed. He said.
<v Speaker 2>One weird thing that Piper would do in promos going
<v Speaker 2>back to years was lie about how many kids he had,
<v Speaker 2>saying he had six. That's strange. Why would you do
<v Speaker 2>that if having a fuck ton of kids was all
<v Speaker 2>it took, he writes, to be a top guy. Rocky
<v Speaker 2>Johnson would have been the big straw of the century.
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. So that is funny. Corey comes back. Remember
<v Speaker 2>when Gorilla had made reference on one of the Colisseum
<v Speaker 2>Collection matches to Ken Peterra having retired him. Yeah, we
<v Speaker 2>were like, what is that? Yes, didn't know about this angle. Ken,
<v Speaker 2>he writes, had a title match against Backland Bob Eckland,
<v Speaker 2>so this would have been his late seventies early eighties run.
<v Speaker 2>About twenty minutes into the match, Petera grabs the mic
<v Speaker 2>and stand off of the announced desk. He ends up
<v Speaker 2>clubbing Gorilla. Backland gets the mic away from Ken and
<v Speaker 2>blasts him, and then Gorilla gets into chop Petera. This
<v Speaker 2>leads to a match between Petera and Gorilla. Ken wins
<v Speaker 2>and Gorilla retires. He has a couple of matches after that,
<v Speaker 2>but that was the end of his full time career. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>The date August twenty third, nineteen eighty So do you
<v Speaker 2>even know about that? We'll have to look that one up.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much. As always, can count on Corey to
<v Speaker 2>fill in the gaps from that time period in particular,
<v Speaker 2>A tool Belt for Daddy writes on Patreon regarding why
<v Speaker 2>Land of a Thousand Dances because we asked why of
<v Speaker 2>all the songs? I think he's good theory. I think
<v Speaker 2>Vince likes just the no no no no noah of it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Pritchard has told a story about how much he
<v Speaker 2>loves the old Nanna Kiss some goodbye song chant, and
<v Speaker 2>this is pretty close. Tool Belt also adds, I love
<v Speaker 2>this version of Vince that did comedy. It's clearly having
<v Speaker 2>fun creating this stuff. It is infectious, like when he's
<v Speaker 2>doing TNT and this, you know, some of these more
<v Speaker 2>foolish and outlandish things. His sense of humor is kind
<v Speaker 2>of it's really stupid, but it's kind of fun to
<v Speaker 2>watch him like try not to laugh, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>try to keep that straight man look about him while
<v Speaker 2>holding the mic, and the insanity is enveloping all around him.
<v Speaker 2>But it's just I don't know, it's a lot. He
<v Speaker 2>does a lot of it. It's not one segment a
<v Speaker 2>month or whatever. It's fucking entire show is like all
<v Speaker 2>this high jinks and a little wrestling. It's really really
<v Speaker 2>it really smacks someone who's trying to be someone who's
<v Speaker 2>not you know, yes, or trying to appeal to an
<v Speaker 2>audience he doesn't have. Zachary Cole, thank you very much
<v Speaker 2>for your increase in pledge. We really appreciate it. We
<v Speaker 2>got some sound from the from the field boss. We
<v Speaker 2>know that the lapsed wife is a thing. Tell him
<v Speaker 2>about the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, I mean listen, that's
<v Speaker 2>the one. If you are are married, and you've got
<v Speaker 2>and you've got a wife who questions why you listen
<v Speaker 2>to this shit, you get them a lapsed wife shirt
<v Speaker 2>because it says right underneath, why are you laughing? This
<v Speaker 2>isn't funny. That is the catchphrase and the the slogan
<v Speaker 2>of the lapsed wife. All right, they don't know why
<v Speaker 2>you listen to us. They certainly don't understand why you're
<v Speaker 2>laughing at us because we're not funny. I understand. Listen,
<v Speaker 2>you know my wife doesn't think I'm nearly as funny
<v Speaker 2>as I am. Right, no wife does, exactly, and it
<v Speaker 2>cludes Marshall's wife because uh she. He sent some rather
<v Speaker 2>amusing audio of I think what probably stands as a
<v Speaker 2>very typical spousal interaction around the pod. Here he is
<v Speaker 2>my lovely girlfriend.
<v Speaker 4>I asked her, I told her about wrestling.
<v Speaker 3>I thought about the John c n He'll turn and.
<v Speaker 2>What did you say about wrestling? Georgina, So movies on
<v Speaker 2>TV shows?
<v Speaker 4>Why is this worse?
<v Speaker 1>It's just more fake?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I rest my case. Yes it's more fake. That's
<v Speaker 2>a good share. Actually, all right, that's a good it's
<v Speaker 2>more why why is it'd be like you ask the
<v Speaker 2>question why is wrestling? Yeah? Why do you why do
<v Speaker 2>you dislike wrestling more than TV and movies? Right, it's
<v Speaker 2>more fake, yes, Bingo, speaking of much Lucky Lagucci doubled
<v Speaker 2>that pledge. We appreciate it. Random, thank you so much
<v Speaker 2>for that cake. It's awesome. We appreciate it. Richard writes
<v Speaker 2>greetings to JP while putting on some background noise while
<v Speaker 2>working on a model. I had to stop as the
<v Speaker 2>video was talking about Godzilla or Space Godzilla from nineteen
<v Speaker 2>ninety four, due to the revelation that the sued actor
<v Speaker 2>for Little Godzilla was a pro wrestler. Oh boy. I
<v Speaker 2>also found out that this is not the first timely Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>a pro wrestler was a sued actor, as the show
<v Speaker 2>Era Films used one for Godzilla First Child Manila, we
<v Speaker 2>get do we get a name? While most of the
<v Speaker 2>movies with Godzilla's offspring are bad, Godzilla movies are some
<v Speaker 2>of my earliest childhood memories. I would love to hear
<v Speaker 2>you give the cinemat treatment to any of the movies.
<v Speaker 2>Yes please. I also would ask Godzilla to a flying
<v Speaker 2>drop kick is seen in Gonzillaver's Megaton count. I mean
<v Speaker 2>there's one, and let me see here he's got. There's
<v Speaker 2>one that I would fucking like. It's my all time
<v Speaker 2>favorite Godzilla movie and it's King Kong versus Godza. Is
<v Speaker 2>it really from nineteen sixty three? So fucking great? Thatches
<v Speaker 2>two pictures, one of Masau little man Machan Fukuzawa, who
<v Speaker 2>is the suit actor in Manila, and one of Masanobu
<v Speaker 2>little Frankie Okamoto, who is a suit actor in Little Godzilla.
<v Speaker 2>So that's wow. Two potential cinemat connections to get Godzilla going.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a Godzilla journey coming. Oh my god, you imagine
<v Speaker 2>back to Tokyo we go? Right? What's that? What's the
<v Speaker 2>name again? Oh geez, I lost it with your names.
<v Speaker 2>We'll pull it up some other time. Correy also writes
<v Speaker 2>Albano managed Andre and eighty five, who were like, what's
<v Speaker 2>the tie between Andre and Albano that they're talking about?
<v Speaker 2>That one's there was the big MSG match who writes
<v Speaker 2>versus Bundy is with Lou in the corner. Andre has
<v Speaker 2>back to back Saturday Night's main event tag matches Verus
<v Speaker 2>stud and Bundy with Albano in his corner. I remember
<v Speaker 2>those matches, but I did not remember that little Banno
<v Speaker 2>was in Andre's corner for them. Plus Albano managed the
<v Speaker 2>machines right which had Andre in it. That's a good point.
<v Speaker 2>Joe from Chicago and hey, JP and Jack currently listening
<v Speaker 2>to the Exorcist episode of Under the Cinemat that's wrong,
<v Speaker 2>while Ago that's that's yeah, that's some Halloween shit. Right
<v Speaker 2>there after we say it's incredible, and he's right about you. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I think I've texted my mom and several uncles about
<v Speaker 2>their experiencing it in theaters, just because of the little
<v Speaker 2>bits and pieces they've told me over the years. Also
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Friedkin more or less got his confidence
<v Speaker 2>from watching Chicago wrestling made me smile. It's right, yeah, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I live in the hollowed Holls, the grounds of Schomberg
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ. Jimmy Barnett might be the real Forest Gump,
<v Speaker 2>as he was probably working for Kohler at the time.
<v Speaker 2>That's true, he was thanks for all the shout outs
<v Speaker 2>for my suburban home one. Would you ever consider putting
<v Speaker 2>the episode on the main feed so I can share it,
<v Speaker 2>I can make a donation. What do you think that's
<v Speaker 2>a no act? Maybe I don't know. Maybe some point,
<v Speaker 2>probably at some point i'd do what you see say, yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>maybe in the fall, because it definitely, I mean especially
<v Speaker 2>because for the connections alone, the connections alone are just
<v Speaker 2>so fucking yeah, those are deep, especially the last one.
<v Speaker 2>The last one is just the fucking greatest thing too. Also,
<v Speaker 2>I've been kicking around the idea of getting the Captain
<v Speaker 2>Howdy tattoo, but I feel that maybe invite unnecessary bad juju,
<v Speaker 2>if you will. In in my life, I don't have
<v Speaker 2>that strong of a religious conviction at all. But I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Something makes me think twice, yeah, I know
<v Speaker 2>where that I can tell whe that comes from? For real, though,
<v Speaker 2>you guys have helped me through the last year and
<v Speaker 2>a half of ups and downs. Luckily I have it
<v Speaker 2>all together with great kids in a pretty cool life.
<v Speaker 2>But just I think you guys know how much you
<v Speaker 2>mean to people. But I just want to say it again.
<v Speaker 2>My four year old wanted to watch the match with
<v Speaker 2>all the girl pro wrestlers aka Woman's Rumble. I also
<v Speaker 2>apologize for being a bitch and dropping tears on Patreon.
<v Speaker 2>Never apologize for this, folks. I mean, the bitch thing
<v Speaker 2>is for people. When we say that, we're talking about
<v Speaker 2>people who judge, people who pay for the show. We're
<v Speaker 2>not talking about people can't afford to pay for the show.
<v Speaker 2>It's not long, right, right, right, right right. But I
<v Speaker 2>have done a lot of program I've done a lot
<v Speaker 2>of growing up in the last year, and I'm trying
<v Speaker 2>to get my shit together, he writes, and rectifying some
<v Speaker 2>of my past financial mistakes. However, I believe it is
<v Speaker 2>my duty is a good goddamn American to pay for art,
<v Speaker 2>and you gentlemen make art. That's correct, Joe, thank you
<v Speaker 2>for everything, and praise be to the Warlord. Will praise
<v Speaker 2>be to you son. It's great to have you in
<v Speaker 2>our corner. Carlo writes to us. I got the Wrestling
<v Speaker 2>album in nineteen eighty six. I played it on my
<v Speaker 2>family room record player. My ever loving parents did not
<v Speaker 2>care for it. My mom said grab them cakes was inappropriate. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Jeff says, Martha Quinn is a certain kind of hot
<v Speaker 2>that only existed in the nineteen eighties. Is that true? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the way they were writing about her, she was like
<v Speaker 2>like girlfriend material. And I'm not saying she's not a
<v Speaker 2>pretty woman, but yeah, it's definitely it's very eighties. He
<v Speaker 2>appeal is very eighties. Sure, I don't know what it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like you wanted like the kind of
<v Speaker 2>like the shy, bashful quality about you two at that time.
<v Speaker 2>It was it is very eighties, you know, like the
<v Speaker 2>girl who ends up at the party but didn't really
<v Speaker 2>want to go, but everybody's still somehowever, that all the
<v Speaker 2>attention is on her even though she doesn't want to
<v Speaker 2>be there. But she's not acting hip about it, she's
<v Speaker 2>acting bashful about it. You know. Work rate Midget rights
<v Speaker 2>to us. I've received the wrestling album for Christmas. I
<v Speaker 2>also recall getting the WWF calendar in the figures. He says,
<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl shuffle is still played at Chicago Land weddings. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be something. Dan. Thank you very much
<v Speaker 2>for your pledge, my friend, we appreciate it. Welcome in,
<v Speaker 2>David writes, Vince McMahon is uncautionably one of the most
<v Speaker 2>painfully unfunny people in history. Yeah, I can't disagree. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>he's awful. He's a fucking drizzling shit. Can you imagine
<v Speaker 2>getting paid to laugh at his jokes for thirty years?
<v Speaker 2>But that does to a person. Oh, there's nothing left,
<v Speaker 2>just a husk of a man. David has a great question.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can feel this one, boss,
<v Speaker 2>I'd appreciate your thoughts. Is it safe to say that
<v Speaker 2>the WWE is a dota driven enterprise? Oh? Absolutely? Why
<v Speaker 2>why are we so quick to answer? Well, I mean
<v Speaker 2>I'm a data for all my father, so how could
<v Speaker 2>he not be a data driven enterprise?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 2>But it definitely. Listen, I mean, look, we're gonna, we're gonna,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll put up the U. I mean, think
<v Speaker 2>about this dada Ism, okay, is and the establishment it
<v Speaker 2>is you know it right there from the get go.
<v Speaker 2>It defines it defines wrestling, all right, you know you.
<v Speaker 1>It?
<v Speaker 2>I mean here the Wikipedia right here Wikipedia entry says
<v Speaker 2>this within the umbrella of the movement, the Dada movement.
<v Speaker 2>People used a wide variety of artistic forms to protest
<v Speaker 2>the logic. Reason it does protest logic, aestheticism of modern
<v Speaker 2>capitalism and modern war god wrestling right there. Yeah, well
<v Speaker 2>I mean both embrace randomness. Yeah, both reject narrative logic. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>both see art is live expression. Yep. Both critique society,
<v Speaker 2>and both are in many ways anti art. It's right.
<v Speaker 2>So while ww might not intentionally be data, it does
<v Speaker 2>share Dada's spirit. It does. It is datast in nature.
<v Speaker 2>It blurs the boundary stream real and fake. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you Mark Hutchinson for that pledge. We appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>My friend. Welcome into the Patreon universe, Eric Wright. Cindy
<v Speaker 2>Lauper only tolerating wrestling because of her boyfriend, like every
<v Speaker 2>single woman in the history of exports, so totally totally
<v Speaker 2>don't talking about that. How she kind of all right
<v Speaker 2>if you want, if you say so, Dave Jack Gillespie,
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for that ep level tier appreciated deeply.
<v Speaker 2>Ellis writes, I'm sure it's been discussed, but my old
<v Speaker 2>brain doesn't work. The whole Cogan theme was later reworked,
<v Speaker 2>that's right, into ravishing by Bonnie Tyler. Yes, if you
<v Speaker 2>listen to the roots of Dada lie in pre war
<v Speaker 2>avant guard All right, confirmed. Isn't that the text at
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the Colosseum videos. H it began five
<v Speaker 2>billion years ago? Say the roots of da again? What
<v Speaker 2>did you just say?
<v Speaker 6>It began over five billion years ago. Yes, the roots
<v Speaker 6>of Dada lay in pre war avant garde Cubism, and
<v Speaker 6>the development of Clark and abstract art would inform the
<v Speaker 6>movement's detachment from the constraints of reality and convention.
<v Speaker 2>That's wrestling right there. It is removed from the concerts
<v Speaker 2>of wrestling. Isn't that right, Kim Wood? That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>You know what time it is reality challenged. I feel
<v Speaker 2>sorry for the fuckers that are in pro wrestling fixed sports.
<v Speaker 3>He said it.
<v Speaker 2>He said it two words. He said the two words
<v Speaker 2>back to back, just as we would like God. That's it,
<v Speaker 2>William Does meatloads get that? Does meat loaf drumming on
<v Speaker 2>stage at the Slammies make rocky horror? U t c
<v Speaker 2>ELEGI I I don't, I don't, I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say yes. I'll tell you what I'll
<v Speaker 2>tell you what Here's the thing? Was meat Loaf the
<v Speaker 2>drummer for the album? Yeah, not the whole thing, but
<v Speaker 2>that track. I think meat Loaf qualifies. Wow, you're saying
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Horror may becoming scary movie season. I mean there's
<v Speaker 2>a lot of story there with us, I mean out there, total,
<v Speaker 2>my god, absolutely, meat Loaf not the food. Let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>What does that include here? Is usually catch up onions.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that means, wow, holy shit, it brings in
<v Speaker 2>quite an interesting slate here. Yes, obviously, Rocky Horror Picture
<v Speaker 2>Show brings in Wayne's World, Spice World, that's hilarious. Fight Club, Well,
<v Speaker 2>everything prings in fight Club if you put your mind
<v Speaker 2>to it. Well, it's data. So that's right there. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>well look all right, horror qualifies and ww is a
<v Speaker 2>DoD DoD driven enterprise. I think we've more than done
<v Speaker 2>to day work here. Pap writes, truly the end of
<v Speaker 2>an era with the logo of WWE being gone from
<v Speaker 2>the old Titan towers. Isn't that the truth?
<v Speaker 1>Man?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, so pathetic. I grew up in RhE Island,
<v Speaker 2>had family in Pennsylvania, and seeing the giant WWAF logo
<v Speaker 2>for my ninety five was always the best part of
<v Speaker 2>going to see family on the holidays. I vividly remember
<v Speaker 2>yelling and excitement when I saw they finally changed the
<v Speaker 2>logo to the Scratch logo because my yelling scared the
<v Speaker 2>shit out of my dad while he was driving, and
<v Speaker 2>he threatened to beat my ass whenever we stopped at
<v Speaker 2>a rest stop. Yes, what a memory, and what a
<v Speaker 2>memory when I saw that man that hallowed out just
<v Speaker 2>the faint etching of what it used to be on
<v Speaker 2>that building. And now it looks so pathetic over there
<v Speaker 2>now because just the middle of a neighborhood, you know,
<v Speaker 2>used to be so enlivened by the presence of ww
<v Speaker 2>what a curiosity, what a local curiosity, And now it's
<v Speaker 2>just another glistening tower amidst other glistening towers trying to
<v Speaker 2>be Instagram friendly. Yes, Joe writes, hearing the Boss say
<v Speaker 2>that Brian Christopher and Jerry Lawler used to sit on
<v Speaker 2>Sunday nights eating hot dogs in French fries while watching
<v Speaker 2>America's Funniest Home Videos a year before Brian died. Really
<v Speaker 2>gotten ooh ooh, that's some genuine sadness to think about.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, I didn't remember that. When I read it back,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, my God, did he say that? I
<v Speaker 2>did no fucking clue. Luke says, any Vinyl collectors come
<v Speaker 2>across the wrestling album out in the wild, I always
<v Speaker 2>keep an eye out. Definitely not brave enough to ask
<v Speaker 2>the guy in there though, And then of course Solar
<v Speaker 2>System members step up and say, yeah, you can find
<v Speaker 2>it pretty easily here there in the other or I
<v Speaker 2>found her here pretty great. I don't want to ask
<v Speaker 2>that question though, No, totally. William says, these eighty five
<v Speaker 2>eighty six shows really hit me hard. I was eight
<v Speaker 2>years nine years old, then grew up forty miles from Peoria, Illinois,
<v Speaker 2>and afterthought as an adult, but a world away for
<v Speaker 2>a kid. Everyone owned the Super Bowl Shuffle. Yes see,
<v Speaker 2>he comes back to this. WW toured through Peoria frequently
<v Speaker 2>enough that kid me thought that they were there every week,
<v Speaker 2>and my parents just used to let me go meet
<v Speaker 2>old Cogan because they were mean. That is pretty funny
<v Speaker 2>to think that they're constantly running. We talked about Doctor
<v Speaker 2>Demento when we talked about the Wrestling album. Yes, Doctor
<v Speaker 2>Demento sort of innovated the idea of the novelty record
<v Speaker 2>something that was to be taken half seriously like a
<v Speaker 2>weird al and Doctor Demento had a radio show full
<v Speaker 2>of songs and acts and curiosities like that. William says,
<v Speaker 2>I loved Doctor Demento. I had a record of some
<v Speaker 2>of his best bits and songs or sketches that appeared
<v Speaker 2>on his show. Twelve year old and me thought fish
<v Speaker 2>Heads was the peak of comedy. I guess that was
<v Speaker 2>a bit or song. The local PBS ran a block
<v Speaker 2>of seventies doctor Who on Saturday night. Coincidentally, when an
<v Speaker 2>AM station ran Demento and my friends and I would
<v Speaker 2>get together play dungeons, dragons and chugs soda, act like
<v Speaker 2>absolute idiots until the sugar rush ended. All like good
<v Speaker 2>twelve years old twelve year old at D and D sessions.
<v Speaker 2>It would eventually end up as a wrestling match, So
<v Speaker 2>the Memories. Chris writes that Hogan ripping up the Goadaffi
<v Speaker 2>photo in the Real American Music video was the equivalent
<v Speaker 2>to the opening scene in one of the Naked Gun
<v Speaker 2>movies where Frank Dreben infiltrated a meeting of America's enemies Coffee.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great the first one. It's such a great opening,
<v Speaker 2>Astro Phoenix and others beat them up and escaped. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it pretty much is it pretty much is.
<v Speaker 1>A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
<v Speaker 1>the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
<v Speaker 1>a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio m
<v Speaker 1>JP Soro.
<v Speaker 2>He says, it's a listener to Doctor Demendo's Doctor Demdo
<v Speaker 2>syndicated in the seventeen eighties. I heard the Fred Blasty
<v Speaker 2>pencil neck geek song a lot. Does this give the
<v Speaker 2>boss a utc tie in for Weird the Al Yankovic
<v Speaker 2>story starring Daniel Radcliffe as Weird Al. What happened? What's
<v Speaker 2>the connection? I guess that Doctor Demento came up on
<v Speaker 2>our show about the wrestling album and influenced the genre
<v Speaker 2>of the wrestling album belongs to It's it's no, it's
<v Speaker 2>not a real connection. No, that's going to be in it.
<v Speaker 2>But they want you to experience the Damien Demento show.
<v Speaker 2>That's really what they want more than anything else. So
<v Speaker 2>the Doctor Demento Show, not Damien Demento. I say, said Damien.
<v Speaker 2>I knew that was I am shocked that it took
<v Speaker 2>that long for me to do that, that I kept
<v Speaker 2>it together that long. On Gene Okerlin in the way
<v Speaker 2>he approaches people outside the Slammies in Baltimore, Zach writes,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to teach my son the appropriate way to
<v Speaker 2>approach ladies he's interested in. Starts with excuse me, ladies?
<v Speaker 2>Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Plenty of dates,
<v Speaker 2>I think that, yes, exactly. I think people need to
<v Speaker 2>ask to prevail upon somebody more often, and it's Robert
<v Speaker 2>who gets the credit for the cost. I think we
<v Speaker 2>should be getting El Matador's cameo take on every show,
<v Speaker 2>even once he's not on. Yes, no question, very nice.
<v Speaker 2>Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Please? I'm sorry?
<v Speaker 2>What if I prevail upon momentarily? He says, momentarily, If
<v Speaker 2>I could momentarily prevail upon you, excuse me, and I
<v Speaker 2>can prevail upon you momentary, shut the funk up with
<v Speaker 2>your gimmick. Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Are you
<v Speaker 2>gonna prevail on me momentarily? You're gonna prevail on me
<v Speaker 2>for a while? Question, what do you mean in a
<v Speaker 2>moment or like momentarily right now? Momentarily, if I'm not mistaken,
<v Speaker 2>not to be a pedant about it, but momentarily means
<v Speaker 2>for a moment, not in a moment, So it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>mean that you're gonna we'll be back momentarily. That doesn't
<v Speaker 2>make any sense. You do something momentarily. I brushed my teeth, Momentarily,
<v Speaker 2>I knocked on the phone. I don't understand how it
<v Speaker 2>came to mean it'll happen soon. But I'm sure if
<v Speaker 2>you looked it up, it would say that's the definition.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not sure that that's the oldest and original
<v Speaker 2>definition anyway. That always throws me when I hear people
<v Speaker 2>use it that way. The credit goes to John for
<v Speaker 2>the list of wrestling related vinyl over the years. He's
<v Speaker 2>got what is it six d and seventy four items
<v Speaker 2>that qualify, including the nineteen eighty four IWGP official record.
<v Speaker 2>That is to say, yes, New Japan's International Wrestling Grand Prix.
<v Speaker 2>There was an official record, and he's got all this
<v Speaker 2>cool stuff from Japan. If you want to check it out.
<v Speaker 2>It's Bozos, Biceps and Beats on the disccogs website disccogs
<v Speaker 2>scogs dot com. So if you look up the Bozos
<v Speaker 2>Biceps Beats list, He's got a great running tally of
<v Speaker 2>all of these wrestling related albums that have come out
<v Speaker 2>over the years, including Yes, There it is, Texas, Bronco,
<v Speaker 2>Terry Funk. My God, what a time to be alive.
<v Speaker 2>But I want to give shout outs to John and
<v Speaker 2>pass that link along for those interested. Yes, and shouts
<v Speaker 2>to Phil for reminding us that yes. I think at
<v Speaker 2>one point during the wrestling album discussion, you asked, was
<v Speaker 2>Goadaffi threatening America's freedom? Why would Hogan rip his picture
<v Speaker 2>up in the video? And Phil is keen to remind
<v Speaker 2>us that yes, Goaddaffi was allegedly behind the bombing of
<v Speaker 2>pan Am flight one O three and eighty eight, which
<v Speaker 2>landed on the Scottish town of lockerby killing all two
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty nine people on board and another eleven
<v Speaker 2>Scottish people on the ground. So was he an existential
<v Speaker 2>threat to the US? Phil rights and the words of Bruno, Yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 2>Zach writes, wrestling is basically the kid who will eat
<v Speaker 2>gross things just to get your attention. All right, that's true.
<v Speaker 2>Some of these guys are just like that. You know,
<v Speaker 2>how can I mutilate myself? Yeah? Well, you know, you
<v Speaker 2>got him, you know, what do you want? Are you
<v Speaker 2>with Paul here? Without nostalgic glasses on? Hogan's second theme is,
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, vastly superior to real American. He says
<v Speaker 2>this some walked out to real American at his own wedding. Boss.
<v Speaker 2>There are elements that of it that I really do like.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's it's it's definitely very
<v Speaker 2>cool in many ways. I think it's a neat It's
<v Speaker 2>a good theme. I I don't know if it has
<v Speaker 2>the same punch as real American got it. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>real Americans got a very Yeah, that's one of a kind.
<v Speaker 2>That's like, yeah, unforgettable stuff. You hear that, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's exciting even even when he's you know, even when
<v Speaker 2>you're reminded that he's a racist and an idiot. Right, So,
<v Speaker 2>like you like the thing is you hear that, You
<v Speaker 2>hear that those first two those like the first couple
<v Speaker 2>of measures of the songs, right and the first chorus,
<v Speaker 2>and like you immediately get excited, you like, even and
<v Speaker 2>then you remind yourself of what an asshole he is,
<v Speaker 2>but you're still excited that first moment, Oh for sure,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a it's a crazy it's a crazy feeling. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if you can. If the first thing you think about
<v Speaker 2>is him kicking ass and come into the ring and
<v Speaker 2>pointing at the guy whose number is finally up right,
<v Speaker 2>you can't not be electrified by it. But if you
<v Speaker 2>think of other things when you hear that song, which
<v Speaker 2>is of course understandable that it's not so much. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>just another another example of how it used to be better.
<v Speaker 2>We used to be able to have nice things. Remember that, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>used to be able to cherish our little heroes. Neil writes,
<v Speaker 2>Slammy Awards or Boss the Slaman's Awards. Oh yes, slam
<v Speaker 2>It's awards for sure. Dunk definitely great. The Slammins got
<v Speaker 2>a dispatch here from our friend Connor that I hope
<v Speaker 2>you could uh yes, you could share with the solar
<v Speaker 2>system from Belfast. No less so uh come in your
<v Speaker 2>way here in just a moment or momentarily momentarily that
<v Speaker 2>gorilla would Gene would say, you can prevail upon me momentarily.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for that premier greetings from Belfast. I've been a
<v Speaker 2>listener since the early days when a cast was a
<v Speaker 2>Measley three hours. Oh my god, Oh, how we grow.
<v Speaker 2>During that time, I've went through a listening pattern that
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure is pretty familiar to you both. It started
<v Speaker 2>that the cast was one of many podcasts, Jericho, Austin,
<v Speaker 2>some others. But as these casts grew a bit stale
<v Speaker 2>and tired to your left just got better and better.
<v Speaker 2>I was a free loader who pays for a podcast, right,
<v Speaker 2>But then a strange thing happened. I needed the extra
<v Speaker 2>content's right. Hey, look it's there's no way around it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you have to be a mighty, mighty strong,
<v Speaker 2>self involved kind of person to pretend that doesn't creep in.
<v Speaker 2>And there aren't that many out there. There. We convert,
<v Speaker 2>we convert. Okay, that's one thing you can say. I
<v Speaker 2>needed the extra content. First it was the three sixteen,
<v Speaker 2>then the ten dollars tier, hang on, an extra ten
<v Speaker 2>dollars was for movies. Nope, not for me. But then yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but then yeah, a little tasty here or there, and yep,
<v Speaker 2>you bastards got me again. Cinemat is now as undeniable
<v Speaker 2>as the rest of the content on your street correct system. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>I will say this. I've never enjoyed James Bond movies,
<v Speaker 2>just not my thing. But the bond Jerney was incredible.
<v Speaker 2>The amount of ground you covered was remarkable. One small
<v Speaker 2>thing that that stood out for me and then never
<v Speaker 2>seen ever again. Episode JP calls out a random bad
<v Speaker 2>guy as what calls out a random bad guy's Rick
<v Speaker 2>van Dickhead. I forgot that at all, And then a
<v Speaker 2>little later in the episode says this is a Geiger counter.
<v Speaker 2>It counts Geiger's aweso.
<v Speaker 1>Ah.
<v Speaker 8>Both of these had me in stitches. Jesus Christ, Oh
<v Speaker 8>my god, I have no recollection to say that ship
<v Speaker 8>at all. I fucking live for the family few sound
<v Speaker 8>by me.
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to your Kim would have uprated something.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
<v Speaker 2>I fucking lived for the personal highlights being Hogan's boo
<v Speaker 2>and bit shops. No, and then of course I forgot
<v Speaker 2>about that. No, No, and then of course yeah, these
<v Speaker 2>segments are so stupid and brilliant and essential. Yes. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>then you guys pivot from spending ten minutes on David
<v Speaker 2>in the Juice Milkshake. Rachel's were break down of what
<v Speaker 2>is wrong with modern world.
<v Speaker 8>I think it's not the point where nobody looks forward
<v Speaker 8>to anything anymore.
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Everything is instant or it's not worth a shit.
<v Speaker 2>We have far too much choice. Convenience has killed the
<v Speaker 2>joy of waiting and discovering things. I'm about the same
<v Speaker 2>age as you guys. My go to is and always
<v Speaker 2>will be, the early nineties W stuff. There's just a
<v Speaker 2>comfort in that area over here. All of the available
<v Speaker 2>W stuff is now on Netflix, all pay per views, limited,
<v Speaker 2>raw and like I says, snackdown s nacc snackdown from
<v Speaker 2>years ago, but none of the non W stuff. I
<v Speaker 2>was initially a bit pissed at this, but guess what,
<v Speaker 2>less choice makes watching easier. My wife and I just
<v Speaker 2>had our second child, and I've been lucky enough to
<v Speaker 2>get a decent amount of leave off work during the
<v Speaker 2>late nights. I've decided to start working through the www
<v Speaker 2>pay per views in order, and I've just finished Survivors
<v Speaker 2>Wait Summer Slam ninety two. Not having to spend hours
<v Speaker 2>scrolling to pick stuff is liberating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I guess too that you know what they've got now,
<v Speaker 2>They've got a YouTube page dedicated to WCW. I saw that.
<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful, right, idea. Yeah, it is wonderful. The mini
<v Speaker 2>Journey of Mine is highlighted. This mini journey of Mine
<v Speaker 2>as highlighted my two favorites, Brett Hart and Randy Savage.
<v Speaker 2>Bred to me was I was ready for that at all?
<v Speaker 2>How think you've ever done that? One? Random's Savage? Just
<v Speaker 2>see I always say, I always say, like part of
<v Speaker 2>what we do is we just like we say something
<v Speaker 2>just to see how it sounds. Like this one hits Yeah, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you're just standing around making noise each other, like like, vonn,
<v Speaker 2>why it's funny? It is? I mean I think you
<v Speaker 2>can deny that. If you don't think it's funny, I
<v Speaker 2>don't want anything to do with you. Let's put that way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you don't think it's funny, go fuck yourself. Randon's Savage.
<v Speaker 2>Brett to me was at his best and most memorable
<v Speaker 2>making other guys look like a million dollars owing a
<v Speaker 2>Mania ten is series of matches with diesel Mania double
<v Speaker 2>turned with Austin, but the ultimate example in the in
<v Speaker 2>the Soma Slam match with Bulldog in his home tune
<v Speaker 2>of Leeds Mom Chess alone in England. The fact that
<v Speaker 2>Brett could drag that level of a match out of
<v Speaker 2>a gassed up pill head is quite frankly ridiculous. And
<v Speaker 2>that's and that's why that will always be my favorite
<v Speaker 2>Brett match. I know he's a bit earnest and an
<v Speaker 2>artist and all and all that, but sweet Jesus, was
<v Speaker 2>he not just a fantastic wrestler. His supplex, his goddamn supplex,
<v Speaker 2>not quite a snap supplex, not just a standard tu
<v Speaker 2>but for something of his own unique lift where his
<v Speaker 2>foot came up right. It wasn't just the kind of
<v Speaker 2>the snaps too, look just fall down. It was like
<v Speaker 2>he lifted it up in a very very brisk way. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>very authoritative, like you knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's like he's straining every ounce when he hoisted a
<v Speaker 2>mofo a Brett Hart. Question for the co chairs, is
<v Speaker 2>Brett the only WW champ to wear long tights and
<v Speaker 2>a singlet topay? No, Diesel, Well, he didn't wear tights,
<v Speaker 2>though he wore pants. Great question that can think of. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think that's it. Vader Vader did mean never was champion,
<v Speaker 2>though he was never w OH champion. No, he's the
<v Speaker 2>only one, the only w W champ. Of course he's diesel,
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't, but he wore the he had the
<v Speaker 2>leather pants. But similar gimmick though for a long time.
<v Speaker 2>It only just occurred to me. And I can't think
<v Speaker 2>of anyone else with that couple. Yeah, I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>Uh well, it depends on the day. Warrior, slaughter, oh fuck,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes slaughter wear the black, the black tights anywhere the
<v Speaker 2>so sometimes wear pants, but something sometimes you wear pants
<v Speaker 2>for there wasn't always tights he wore. He wore a
<v Speaker 2>khakis at Messonia seven. Oh, he's coming back from war, right,
<v Speaker 2>he's wearing his fucking uh you know, his uh mh,
<v Speaker 2>his Iraqi military uniform, his Iraqi military class as he
<v Speaker 2>was wearing his Persian golf. Yeah, yeah, the dress, s giar,
<v Speaker 2>you're wearing the khakis at Saddam Hussein gave him? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>who gave him the iron chic all those years too?
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Sam gave him the slaughter, but iron
<v Speaker 2>cheek was wearing him for years before that, from the
<v Speaker 2>enemy country of Iran. No less right, how that works.
<v Speaker 2>Randon's savage might be the greatest ever when it comes
<v Speaker 2>to making the crowd feel I agree, the crowd can
<v Speaker 2>the guy can sell like no other. When I think
<v Speaker 2>about Randon's career, I don't remember moves, but the way
<v Speaker 2>he could make you a viewer feel, And the guy
<v Speaker 2>had so many versions in his WWWE stant early Macho
<v Speaker 2>Icy title versus Steamers World World Title, Macho, Macho King
<v Speaker 2>Long Tight's Macho king off, the Royd's macho on his
<v Speaker 2>colorful madness. Randy at WrestleMania seven is every bit as
<v Speaker 2>good as Brett Austin and WrestleMania thirteen. How he went
<v Speaker 2>from being hated to sympathetic to getting his ass kicked
<v Speaker 2>by Sherry to making everyone feel so strongly with the
<v Speaker 2>Liz reunion is something else agreed, unbelievable. What it is
<v Speaker 2>when you put it that way, it's incredible storytelling. You know,
<v Speaker 2>there's no quote versatility, yes, yes, but to be able
<v Speaker 2>to do like to sell, I mean the way that
<v Speaker 2>that that that post match thing was is really remarkable.
<v Speaker 2>It's because the greatest thing to happen in w w
<v Speaker 2>ring ever, it's so well done, and it's so well
<v Speaker 2>thought out, and it's so nuanced that like it's it's,
<v Speaker 2>it's it, but it's done with such ease and such fluidity.
<v Speaker 2>But when you really think about it, like the ability
<v Speaker 2>you have to really to get that kind of a payoff, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you have to also create that in the match, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because the only way, Like, he can't be a crazy
<v Speaker 2>ass uber heel, and he's not in the entire match.
<v Speaker 2>He wrestles pretty clean for the most part. A couple
<v Speaker 2>cheating things here and there, but like, what makes that
<v Speaker 2>moment so great is he did try his damnedest. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>he gave five elbows to Warriors, his career on the line,
<v Speaker 2>career on the line, the whole thing, and then Sherry
<v Speaker 2>comes in and beats the shit out of him. Like
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not just that moment, it's everything else, because
<v Speaker 2>it's not just a baby face who went out there
<v Speaker 2>and did his thing and then lost. It is one
<v Speaker 2>of the most hated heels of the time, who you're
<v Speaker 2>going to turn around at this moment. It's really phenomenal.
<v Speaker 2>It's I always say it, and we said it when
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it years and years ago when we
<v Speaker 2>covered that show. It's the thing I would hold up
<v Speaker 2>to say. You know what, Like you laugh at wrestling
<v Speaker 2>as like a high drama, right, yeah you should, But
<v Speaker 2>if that's possible I'm sticking around. Yep, if if wrestling,
<v Speaker 2>if wrestlers and wrestling can be good enough to create
<v Speaker 2>that moment, and it wasn't the biggest money moment in
<v Speaker 2>the world, it was a weak house and all that
<v Speaker 2>don't care talking about how it resonated at the moment
<v Speaker 2>with the people who did show up unbelievable. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still here waiting for that. In some ways,
<v Speaker 2>I'm still trying to get back to a place where
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, look what wrestling created. Look at that
<v Speaker 2>moment right there. Yeah, yeah, that's just it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>that is it. We're all and everybody was to where
<v Speaker 2>the emotional weight was, and a crowd that was thinking
<v Speaker 2>nothing of Elizabeth when they sat down for that match
<v Speaker 2>right from their mind. In the end, it's like, of
<v Speaker 2>course it was all about Elizabeth in the end. That's
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Yes, it's just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling is stupid nice, it's phony. Yes, it's fake and fraudulent,
<v Speaker 2>but when it's that good, it's still worth the pain.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm saying exactly, Yep. It goes without saying that
<v Speaker 2>modern wrestling will never be as good as the stuff
<v Speaker 2>we cut our teeth on, but it can still have
<v Speaker 2>little moments of feeling. I'm writing this just after the
<v Speaker 2>Elimination Chamber and two things. Yes, the Scene Hill turn
<v Speaker 2>is something that legitimately sits alongside the Hogan turn. I
<v Speaker 2>can't believe they're finally doing it, and I wish them well.
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is that, for the first time since
<v Speaker 2>probably Daniel Bryant at Wrestling in thirty, I was excited
<v Speaker 2>by wrestling in the chamber match when it was just
<v Speaker 2>Punk and Sina, I was genuinely just watching and wanting
<v Speaker 2>Punk to win. I wasn't thinking about booking or work
<v Speaker 2>rate or star rating. I was just watching and paying attention.
<v Speaker 2>And that's it. And that's what's the key in that phrase,
<v Speaker 2>you wanted Punk to win. That's what's missing, right is
<v Speaker 2>Steaks is rooting interest. Yes, wrestling cannot be as great
<v Speaker 2>as it can be unless there is rooting interest from
<v Speaker 2>the audience. If the crowd doesn't, we're kind of indifferent
<v Speaker 2>to who goes over and doesn't show up, pinning their
<v Speaker 2>hopes on one of the two guys winning and one
<v Speaker 2>of the two women winning and one of the two
<v Speaker 2>teams winning, then while it can be wonderful, it is
<v Speaker 2>not pro wrestling at its best. It is not the
<v Speaker 2>peak of what pro wrestling can be. It has to
<v Speaker 2>be just like any other sport where the stadium is
<v Speaker 2>full of mostly people that want to see one person win.
<v Speaker 2>If everyone does their job on the way in, that's
<v Speaker 2>the dynamic you create. Doesn't mean that person has to win,
<v Speaker 2>but that has to be the prevailing energy of the crowd.
<v Speaker 2>But if people show up to see two people exert
<v Speaker 2>themselves without carrying which of the two actually wins, then
<v Speaker 2>you've left something on the table, and that is, by definition,
<v Speaker 2>inferior to what it could be if you achieved all
<v Speaker 2>that work rate plus that dynamic. Yeah, sorry, no, doesn't
<v Speaker 2>mean those two guys who are killing themselves in the
<v Speaker 2>ring are doing anything wrong. It just means they're not
<v Speaker 2>doing everything. They're not exercising every option the pro wrestling
<v Speaker 2>presents to them. It's not their fault, it's the booker's fault.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't get a fuck whose fault it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's inferior. Yep, just gene watching and that's it.
<v Speaker 2>Mostly bad. Spare me the press conferences, but when it's good.
<v Speaker 2>It allows us to just watch and pay attention, and
<v Speaker 2>Matt is becoming harder to do in the world that
<v Speaker 2>we live in. This podcast genuinely means a lot to
<v Speaker 2>me and has me through a lot of long drives, housework,
<v Speaker 2>and some really difficult personal stuff that I'll keep to
<v Speaker 2>myself for now. You two are doing God's work. Here's
<v Speaker 2>to another ten years. Goddamn right, Connor, goddamn right. Not
<v Speaker 2>a joke, not a fucking game, and he adds in
<v Speaker 2>Mike excitement, I forgot to add two points one Duke
<v Speaker 2>Trosy is on the Mount rushmore of wrestlers with other occupations,
<v Speaker 2>greed no question to me for a moment to picture
<v Speaker 2>this a man with two loves keeping the streets free
<v Speaker 2>from trash and a love for grappling. But how does
<v Speaker 2>he keep his hand in the trash game while grappling?
<v Speaker 2>Does he pick up shifts whenever the feed is in town?
<v Speaker 2>The admin and planning involved must have been tortures. He
<v Speaker 2>must have had a pretty good handle, and all the
<v Speaker 2>movers and shakers in the trash game could agree more.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how do these guys juggle two occupations? It's
<v Speaker 2>hard enough to break into the wrestling business. But to
<v Speaker 2>be able to do that and be a plumber, that's
<v Speaker 2>I mean exactly skill trade. You know, your moonlighting in
<v Speaker 2>a different career, Like, that's a lot. That's a lot
<v Speaker 2>to do when you're not working. You're working exactly and too.
<v Speaker 2>I beg constant, he says, I beg you do the
<v Speaker 2>Savage journey? Boss, Yes, what lots? I mean, Hey, what
<v Speaker 2>what you ask for? It's it's uh, it's it's neither
<v Speaker 2>here nor there. It's a thing. It happened that it
<v Speaker 2>may happen. You know, it's a h it's it's it
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. You know, nice non evasive answer here.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love when you don't get evasive.
<v Speaker 2>It's stuff, Boss, that's awesome, he says. If you can
<v Speaker 2>do forty hours on set, I expect four hundred on
<v Speaker 2>Randy you have, But do you want to pay four
<v Speaker 2>hundred We're about to find out it'd be like two,
<v Speaker 2>like two fucking years worth of Randy on Randy Angelo, Landy,
<v Speaker 2>Liz Baseball, Slim, Jim Royd, Snakes and wo all the rest.
<v Speaker 2>Not only does lap solar system need it? Be honest,
<v Speaker 2>there's the itch if that is isn't there. You bastards
<v Speaker 2>need it too. That being said, we will make our medicine,
<v Speaker 2>take our medicine as good as lab stoctors dish it out.
<v Speaker 2>Just be careful, be careful what you're playing with, Connor.
<v Speaker 2>It's a live wire, my friend. It's a live wire,
<v Speaker 2>and you may find yourself jones in for something that
<v Speaker 2>asks as much of you as it does of us.
<v Speaker 2>A tool belt for Daddy writes. The shittiest part about
<v Speaker 2>this is that Codin's will win again at Mania Sena.
<v Speaker 2>We'll go on a retribution face turn later this year,
<v Speaker 2>and when the belt on December thirty first in Boston,
<v Speaker 2>only to be cashed in on by minding the bank
<v Speaker 2>winner to Logan Paul book it all right. I like that.
<v Speaker 2>That's a kind of specific prediction I can get behind.
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that the New Year's Eve SmackDown
<v Speaker 2>was in Boston. Very interesting. I didn't know that either
<v Speaker 2>I might be a relapsed fucking journey. I'd have to go, Matthew, fucked.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, that's how I pronounce it. Sorry if it's
<v Speaker 2>not folked. Thank you very much for for your VIP
<v Speaker 2>level tier. Salmon writes, this was like Austin Turning Hill
<v Speaker 2>on the Rock and Fred Durst was just hanging out
<v Speaker 2>in the ring. That is to say, Travis Scott, that's true,
<v Speaker 2>no reason for Ruth. Thank you very much for bumping
<v Speaker 2>up your pledge significantly. Reappreciate it. John, a longtime homie
<v Speaker 2>John Byam Listen to the Show Forever, says the scene
<v Speaker 2>of call was the greatest live call moment to date
<v Speaker 2>for him. Incredible. Yeah, it was pretty wild. Yeah. I
<v Speaker 2>think we might just have a reason to do that soon.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, Richard Garcia, I want to thank
<v Speaker 2>you very much for your your increase in pledge, And
<v Speaker 2>he writes us he just he just needs more readied
<v Speaker 2>access to the to the pls is what it came
<v Speaker 2>down to. Those live calls, He says, He's left to
<v Speaker 2>the sad without it, He's left to the dull, lifeless,
<v Speaker 2>fake commentary of Michael Cole, Wade Barrett, and the god
<v Speaker 2>awful pat full of commentary diseases. McAfee. I really don't
<v Speaker 2>get the new Wwe have sold out stadiums, mumble wrap,
<v Speaker 2>and mainstream reaction videos to WW events. If there's anything
<v Speaker 2>faker than a WW performer, it's the internet influencer Cesspool,
<v Speaker 2>they seem to have gotten themselves into. He writes, my
<v Speaker 2>golden period was the late New Generation here up to
<v Speaker 2>the end of the Attitude era. I love seeing in
<v Speaker 2>my eyes the young, plucky underdog that everyone loved Sean
<v Speaker 2>Michaels beat Brett Heart for the belt at WrestleMania twelve.
<v Speaker 2>I love the goofy melodrama of Cain, the Unentertaker's brother,
<v Speaker 2>coming back from being burned alive to seek his revenge.
<v Speaker 2>And of course I love stone cold Steve Austin not
<v Speaker 2>taking crap from his anyone and stomping what holes in
<v Speaker 2>people's asses. But back to the current product, I cannot
<v Speaker 2>bring myself to not check in on it, and because
<v Speaker 2>I feel at some point it will get better. WW
<v Speaker 2>builds to great moments, sure, but not like they used to.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been hyped up for rajsh SmackDown since twenty fourteen,
<v Speaker 2>which led to Daniel Bryan winning the w Championship in
<v Speaker 2>Triple AH and the opener and Randy Orton Batista in
<v Speaker 2>the main event. When I originally watched Elimination Chamber, it
<v Speaker 2>was dull and mundane up until the closing moments. Of
<v Speaker 2>the over three hour show. Even though I'm up in
<v Speaker 2>the current storylines, the commentary didn't do anything to make
<v Speaker 2>me care. A week after Elimination Chamber, I saw that
<v Speaker 2>my three sixteen tier blessed me with the laps fan
<v Speaker 2>commentary of said p l e. I immediately fired up
<v Speaker 2>the peacocks and started the same damn show I just watched.
<v Speaker 2>To get the lapsed perspective on the slog of a show,
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly everything was enhanced. At the time, the lackluster match
<v Speaker 2>of Tiffy and Trish vers Naya and Cadence was suddenly
<v Speaker 2>one star more. If the lapsed fan can make the
<v Speaker 2>most boring match on a card doubly better with just commentary,
<v Speaker 2>you have my vote. I'll be upping my pledge later
<v Speaker 2>this month to get the earliest lapsed fan commentary of
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania forty one, because I love wrestling and I need
<v Speaker 2>real wrestling fans opinions on fake wrestling matches. Thank you
<v Speaker 2>for seeing a Mania. That's a good fucking way to
<v Speaker 2>look at it. Right there. You're gonna We've been saying
<v Speaker 2>that too. You're gonna anyway, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna watch it anyway, so you might as well
<v Speaker 2>fucking mean it. You know, you might as well enjoy
<v Speaker 2>it with us instead of just suffering. You know, we're
<v Speaker 2>in the same position as you. And further, we're doing
<v Speaker 2>it not only for people that want to sync up
<v Speaker 2>enjoyable commentary or or commentary that speaks to who they
<v Speaker 2>are as fans. We do it for people that don't
<v Speaker 2>even want to bother watching the video feed and just
<v Speaker 2>fucking listen to us take them through it and paint
<v Speaker 2>pictures for them and make the comments they would make
<v Speaker 2>if they were sitting around with their friends watching a
<v Speaker 2>p l E. Right, yeah, yeah, really quickly from our
<v Speaker 2>to have our as a first initial here, I posted
<v Speaker 2>the community threads on Patreon, but assume CoA chairs and
<v Speaker 2>have time to be scrolling over there. So two brief
<v Speaker 2>silly connections to white Whale films that departed. We've talked
<v Speaker 2>about the departed, boss, you still need a connection, right, yes,
<v Speaker 2>he says, I'm hazy on if Mania guests count. I'd
<v Speaker 2>certainly watch any Raycomb's film appearances. But Mark Wahlberg filmed
<v Speaker 2>the pre tape vignette for Wrestlminginia thirty eight in Dallas.
<v Speaker 2>They are on Saturday. Who's the first famous face we
<v Speaker 2>see a night one of the greatest night in sports,
<v Speaker 2>Dorchester's own face and vo for two minutes Boston was
<v Speaker 2>he there? Was he there? Person? I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>we can find instance of help being at a show
<v Speaker 2>accounts it would need I mean, if you got involved
<v Speaker 2>with something, you know, that's always the key guest hosts
<v Speaker 2>for RAW. That's a guest, it's it's it depends. It's
<v Speaker 2>a it's a it's a come and go thing. It
<v Speaker 2>defends depends on how involved they get. I see, like
<v Speaker 2>if they actually get involved in like a skirmish or
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Why do I have the feeling I've
<v Speaker 2>seen Mark Wahlberg like a in a w ring, like
<v Speaker 2>me too, fighting somebody. I don't know why I feel
<v Speaker 2>that way about fighting, but definitely like acting tough backstage right,
<v Speaker 2>I would think it would be in that era. It
<v Speaker 2>just depends on how It just depends on how involved
<v Speaker 2>they are, because you know, some of them no, no, no,
<v Speaker 2>some of them some of them know because they don't
<v Speaker 2>really care. They kind of like the fact that it
<v Speaker 2>looks exactly like John Cena. I mean, I know they
<v Speaker 2>could be brothers. Seriously and on GoldenEye to Mina. You know,
<v Speaker 2>WWE's Tamena, Jimmy Snook's daughter claims, seemingly in earnest on
<v Speaker 2>an episode of Xavier Woods YouTube video game channel from
<v Speaker 2>nine years ago, that she went into labor while playing
<v Speaker 2>GoldenEye sixty four. Yeah, no, no, good, good, nice. Those
<v Speaker 2>are unique ones. I appreciate it. I do appreciate that,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, we gotta find a way to get that.
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<v Speaker 2>think Sid was really met up. He named his son
<v Speaker 2>Frank right after Vienna's. They're Frank's franken beans. He writes,
<v Speaker 2>nothing says intimidating like a man named Frank vishes. So
<v Speaker 2>he's really even like he's like he's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>when he when he gets upset at Frank for not
<v Speaker 2>delivering the Vienna's, he's basically saying, why aren't you taking
<v Speaker 2>care of your brothers? You know, go to Frank ki
<v Speaker 2>the fucking Vienna's. It's like, why aren't you taking care
<v Speaker 2>of your driving, your driving your your siblings to school?
<v Speaker 2>The correct question, Corey Barnett, thanks for the pledge. James writes,
<v Speaker 2>I snp seen his entrance into the match with the
<v Speaker 2>watch along, and this is why I put down that scratch.
<v Speaker 2>Every month, Boz, it pays to be part of those
<v Speaker 2>premium live calls. That's all I think that's coming across.
<v Speaker 2>That's huge, Zach Wright. Huge. One of the reasons I
<v Speaker 2>can't watch wrestling anymore is the fans trying to be
<v Speaker 2>a part of the show and acting like they've been
<v Speaker 2>trained to act, making fake dramatic faces and reactions, which
<v Speaker 2>we know is fake because I watch wrestling from all
<v Speaker 2>the eighties and nineties without anyone looking like these fools.
<v Speaker 2>Wrestling's fake and these people are fakeer than fake. I
<v Speaker 2>think he nails it. He says they watch movies like YouTube,
<v Speaker 2>people recording their reactions. Mmmm, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>It's true. We don't see you know, we just watched
<v Speaker 2>the fucking European rampage. Nobody's nobody's got the camera in
<v Speaker 2>mind when they're reacting with absolute jubilation to what's happening exactly.
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<v Speaker 2>Mister fake entertainment too rites. According to Wikipedia, Haystax Calhoun
<v Speaker 2>was confined to a double wide trailer. I picture an
<v Speaker 2>old brown and flower print couch, warned to Hell that
<v Speaker 2>he never moved from Gilbert Grape's mom style. You picture
<v Speaker 2>the same. Yeah, I guess so sure. I enjoy that.
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy the Yeah. That's funny, right, funny to think
<v Speaker 2>that's a movie. That's a movie, definitely, Haystacks callown movies
<v Speaker 2>definitely a thing and our own. Haystacks writes The boss
<v Speaker 2>Man deserves a sag Award for his lynch impersonation and
<v Speaker 2>has discussed previously. Humans require boundaries in order to thrive,
<v Speaker 2>he writes, but humans also have a need to press
<v Speaker 2>against those boundaries so that they can expand their fields
<v Speaker 2>of exploration, and that's precisely what's happening here, he writes
<v Speaker 2>in the Lynch tribute. This is the pinnacle, he says
<v Speaker 2>of UTC thus far, Wow, no slink acclaim, and hall
<v Speaker 2>Cogan follows it up with while it's a shame that
<v Speaker 2>it took his death to get here, I absolutely cherish
<v Speaker 2>lapsed David Lynch