Top Gun: Maverick (2022)

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirly You Can't
<v Speaker 2>Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 3>My name is James D.
<v Speaker 2>Spittake Graves and I'm here with Jason Pebbles Calvin, and
<v Speaker 2>we are here to enter into the Maverick Zone, the
<v Speaker 2>Maverick Zone, the Maverick Zone.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, those call signs are real. We got to at
<v Speaker 3>least explain what call signs we've given ourselves.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, we both have had a heck of a
<v Speaker 2>week and I don't need to get into my week,
<v Speaker 2>but just prayers for Caleb, my son who you've heard
<v Speaker 2>about at a major head injury.
<v Speaker 3>We spent a week in the hospital.
<v Speaker 2>Jason had to go to the hospital for a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>but it was an entirely different experience.
<v Speaker 3>Good news is Caleb's doing just fine. Yeah, he's on
<v Speaker 3>the road road to recovery. Yes, I have had not one,
<v Speaker 3>but two kidney stones since we recorded Top Gun episode.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you hit the brakes and fly alright by
<v Speaker 2>switching the guns.
<v Speaker 3>On this one. So that's why Jason's name is Pebbles.
<v Speaker 3>Now you gotta tell them my mind. Yeah, okay, So
<v Speaker 3>if you guys will go back and listen to our
<v Speaker 3>Saturday Night Fever versus Dirty Dancing Movies comparison Part one.
<v Speaker 3>At the very end of that, you'll hear an outtake
<v Speaker 3>of somebody hacking and spitting up something really gross. D
<v Speaker 3>took a huge bite out of some green jerky that
<v Speaker 3>was covered with furry mold. He didn't look what he
<v Speaker 3>was eating. He just popped his mouth chewed it up.
<v Speaker 2>Next thing I know, I have never seen so much
<v Speaker 2>nasty and moldy fungus scum in my life.
<v Speaker 3>It was and I put it in my mouth. It
<v Speaker 3>was in and it was chewing. Oh my gosh, that
<v Speaker 3>was terrible, terrible, fuzzy.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, love about us. Let's jump into Top Gun, Maverick.
<v Speaker 3>This is a movie that we have been waiting for
<v Speaker 3>three years for this to come out. Three years. We've
<v Speaker 3>been waiting thirty six years for this. That is true.
<v Speaker 3>That is true.
<v Speaker 2>If you saw the movie back in nineteen eighty six,
<v Speaker 2>you wanted nothing more than another Top Gun, and they
<v Speaker 2>made us wait three and a half decades to do it.
<v Speaker 2>But this movie was originally supposed to come out in
<v Speaker 2>July of twenty nineteen. It got postponed, It got postponed
<v Speaker 2>again in twenty twenty because of COVID, it got postponed
<v Speaker 2>again in twenty twenty one because we are still feeling
<v Speaker 2>the effects of COVID, And finally this year, twenty twenty two,
<v Speaker 2>we have got our Top Gun sequel.
<v Speaker 3>You and I have tickets this Tuesday night. For those
<v Speaker 3>of you listening out there, we have not seen this yet.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, at the beginning of this episode, we will
<v Speaker 2>not have seen it. Then we're going to tell you, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go watch the movie. Then we'll say, all right,
<v Speaker 2>get ready for spoilers, folks, because we're going to tell
<v Speaker 2>you about our moviegoing experience. So the second half of
<v Speaker 2>this episode you will get to hear what we think
<v Speaker 2>after having seen the movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and we will let you know when we are
<v Speaker 3>entering the spoiler zone. That way you can pull the
<v Speaker 3>ingestion handle get out of there before any spoilers drop.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, make sure you wait until the cap goes completely off,
<v Speaker 2>otherwise serious injury or death may result.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, Watch out for the jet wash.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we jump full on into this one, there
<v Speaker 2>a couple of like kind of tragic stories that go
<v Speaker 2>along with this. And I hate to be a downer,
<v Speaker 2>So let's just cover those real quick. We've got a
<v Speaker 2>new director on this one. We've got Joseph Kazinski who
<v Speaker 2>is the director on this and that is because almost
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago Tony Scott, who went on to become
<v Speaker 2>an incredible blockbuster director. A couple of my favorites are
<v Speaker 2>main on Fire and True Romance, which I think we
<v Speaker 2>should cover True Romance at some point, written by Quentin Tarantino.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that one versus Natural Born Killers. It sounds good, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Tony Scott made some amazing movies.
<v Speaker 3>And then away. Crimson Tide is one of my favorites.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that is a good one. Hey.
<v Speaker 2>He did Days of Thunder, which we talked about our
<v Speaker 2>last episode. Was not the best collaboration between him and
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise, but both of those guys met.
<v Speaker 3>Their new wives there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Tony Scott had twin boys with that wife.
<v Speaker 2>But then, after all these amazing movies, after all this
<v Speaker 2>amazing success, on August nineteenth, twenty twelve, witnesses see him
<v Speaker 2>drive his car onto the Vincent Thomas Bridge in Los Angeles, stops,
<v Speaker 2>gets out, climbs over, and jumps off. Amazing, shocking tragedy
<v Speaker 2>that no one can explain. Literally, Ridley Scott's words were inexplicable. Now,
<v Speaker 2>there was some talk about whether he might have been
<v Speaker 2>dealing with cancer or not. I don't have a firm
<v Speaker 2>answer on that. Ridley Scott said that he was, but
<v Speaker 2>other sources say that he wasn't. But it's just, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you never know what demon somebody is dealing with, and
<v Speaker 2>it's just a big tragedy. If you have any thoughts
<v Speaker 2>like that, please go get help, because it's there are
<v Speaker 2>ways to avoid those thoughts without ending it.
<v Speaker 3>All really really tragic. I remember when that happened. It
<v Speaker 3>was very very sad, very sad.
<v Speaker 2>Now, also kind of a tragedy is the amazing actor
<v Speaker 2>Val Kilmer, who also went on to do tons of
<v Speaker 2>great movies, including True Romance. He was Elvios Elvis and
<v Speaker 2>True Romance.
<v Speaker 3>Sure he is also Holliday go back to our Tombstone episode.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I so many, so many great roles. And he
<v Speaker 2>tragically got throat cancer and has completely lost his voice.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. If you have a chance to watch the documentary
<v Speaker 3>called Val, it's on Prime right now. It's super interesting
<v Speaker 3>Number one because it's a total peak behind the curtain.
<v Speaker 3>Because Val Kilmer was one of these guys who had
<v Speaker 3>a camcorder with him everywhere. He went. Oh wow, So
<v Speaker 3>there's tons of cool stuff. I mean, you get a
<v Speaker 3>lot of behind the scenes stuff on Top Gun, him
<v Speaker 3>with his kids, him with his wife, and then him
<v Speaker 3>dealing with this tragic throat cancer that actually took his larynx.
<v Speaker 3>And so there was some speculation about whether he would
<v Speaker 3>be able to rally enough to be in Top Gun. Maverick, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he is in the movie. It's gonna be interesting to
<v Speaker 3>see how he's used.
<v Speaker 2>So I heard they're using like some kind of AI
<v Speaker 2>to give him a voice or something.
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. Okay, So they have created his voice from
<v Speaker 3>all of his movies. They've gathered it together in a
<v Speaker 3>computer and it spit out a computerized voice that's sounds
<v Speaker 3>exactly like him. And when I say exactly, I mean
<v Speaker 3>if my eyes were closed and you played that clip
<v Speaker 3>for me, I would say, that is Val Kilmer speaking Wow. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>it is fascinating. We'll play a clip of it right here.
<v Speaker 4>When we think of the most talented creative people, they
<v Speaker 4>speak to us in a unique way. A phrase we
<v Speaker 4>often hear is having a creative voice. But I was
<v Speaker 4>struck by throat cancer. After getting treated, my voice, as
<v Speaker 4>I knew it was taken away from me. But now
<v Speaker 4>I can express myself again. I can bring these dreams
<v Speaker 4>to you.
<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. I mean, that just sounds like him. That
<v Speaker 3>is a computer talking. Wow. That is that. It's nuts.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's talk a little bit about the other
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's in the trailer. All right, Yeah, so I
<v Speaker 2>can tell you that there's not beach volleyball but beach
<v Speaker 2>football on this one. Okay, that's interesting, right, he's spinning
<v Speaker 2>the football in his hand right instead of flexing on
<v Speaker 2>the volleyball court. And from what I understood from the
<v Speaker 2>actors on that one, the phrase that they heard over
<v Speaker 2>and over again was more oil. They even thought about
<v Speaker 2>having t shirts printed up that said top gun Maverick,
<v Speaker 2>more oil.
<v Speaker 3>That's funny.
<v Speaker 2>And then the other part of that, and this is
<v Speaker 2>kind of similar to our story on Bell Kilmer in
<v Speaker 2>the first movie, is they shot that scene, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and as an actor you have to totally prep for
<v Speaker 2>those shirtless scenes, and so they shot that scene and
<v Speaker 2>then they're like, okay, who finally done with all of
<v Speaker 2>that work out, all of that prep you know, and
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise sent them this big, beautiful like coconut cake
<v Speaker 2>for them to eat. And then just before Christmas time,
<v Speaker 2>whenever you know, they've just finished with Thanksgiving, Joseph Kacinski,
<v Speaker 2>the director, is like, hey, guys, we can't really use
<v Speaker 2>any of that footage.
<v Speaker 3>I need to do that again.
<v Speaker 2>So they had to go and try to fast paced,
<v Speaker 2>get themselves slimmed back down to reshoot the football scene.
<v Speaker 2>I saw some of it.
<v Speaker 3>They looking good.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter if those guys eat some turkey and
<v Speaker 2>some stuffing, They're gonna still look good.
<v Speaker 3>Glenn pal said that after they shot that first scene, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they were all like high five and they all went
<v Speaker 3>out for milkshakes and tater times afterwards, you know, and they,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they had to really be diligent about their
<v Speaker 3>bodies because is there a more iconic scene in Top
<v Speaker 3>Gun than the volleyball scene. The volleyball scene, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it's definitely iconic for sure, for sure, So the sequel
<v Speaker 3>to that, I mean, these guys had to look great.
<v Speaker 3>And these guys are buffed up. Yeah, young, good looking guys.
<v Speaker 3>It's the key to the success of the movie, right,
<v Speaker 3>No Chinese food for them, and I noticed.
<v Speaker 2>A girl in her sports brad and the one that
<v Speaker 2>we've got this time. So hey, great, hey, thumbs up
<v Speaker 2>for me. Okay, let's talk about some other things, other
<v Speaker 2>iconic things I saw in the trailer. All Right, we've
<v Speaker 2>got the aileron roll right out of the gate, and
<v Speaker 2>it's an F fourteen Tomcat, which is what they used
<v Speaker 2>in eighty six. Right, that's what those guys are flying. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the Navy doesn't have those anymore.
<v Speaker 3>These are all decommissions, so that is a big question,
<v Speaker 3>like is he doing a flashback or is this like
<v Speaker 3>one of the enemies because Iran, who we've sold the
<v Speaker 3>Tomcats too, is still using it.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if Iran is the unknown enemy
<v Speaker 2>out there. But it's interesting that we're seeing a Tomcat
<v Speaker 2>first jet that we see in the trailer.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I didn't even notice that. Okay, we've got a
<v Speaker 3>descending barrel roll. Nice another nice someone right going fuzzy? Okay,
<v Speaker 3>it's spit take man. Oh, Spita, I thought you couldn't
<v Speaker 3>give yourself your calls? Right, I did it?
<v Speaker 2>That was David right, David Wright and James West's work
<v Speaker 2>together to get spit take.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I like it better than Fuzzy.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they did the rolling scissors, which I remember
<v Speaker 2>from the commentary that was one of the most difficult
<v Speaker 2>things to capture in the first one. And they've got
<v Speaker 2>the rolling scissors in there. They've got the missing Man
<v Speaker 2>formation going over as they have the funeral, and that's
<v Speaker 2>another thing. Who's gonna die?
<v Speaker 3>Right? Is it Iceman? Is he the one that dies?
<v Speaker 3>Is it?
<v Speaker 2>We don't know one of the guys. I mean, something's
<v Speaker 2>going on where somebody dies. Okay, you want my opinion, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>go for it.
<v Speaker 3>My opinion is it's either Viper, huh or it's Iceman. Right,
<v Speaker 3>it has to have meaning to the audience. I think
<v Speaker 3>they've got to pull somebody from the old movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>those two guys make the most sense to me. They do.
<v Speaker 2>And it would be terrible to do Gester because somebody
<v Speaker 2>would be like Gester's dead.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we talked a little bit about them having
<v Speaker 2>to get into shape, but let's talk about the aerial
<v Speaker 2>training that these actors had to do.
<v Speaker 3>This movie was shot with cameras in cockpits. Okay, this
<v Speaker 3>is actual shots from jets. Tom Cruise insisted this is
<v Speaker 3>not CGI stuff, right.
<v Speaker 2>And let's be specific here. These are specially made Imax cameras,
<v Speaker 2>Like they are Imax cameras a little smaller than like
<v Speaker 2>a tissue box that they can put six of them
<v Speaker 2>in different spots on the jet to get those shots.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's incredible. Yeah, that is incredible.
<v Speaker 3>So since they were going to be in jets, they
<v Speaker 3>had to know what to do if something happened and
<v Speaker 3>they crashed or whatever. So they had to go through
<v Speaker 3>this intense navy training for like three months. You know,
<v Speaker 3>what happens if you have to eject, what happens if
<v Speaker 3>you land in the water, what happens? You know, you
<v Speaker 3>got to get out of your seat belt and all
<v Speaker 3>this sudd stuff. The actual actors had to go through
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff, and you can see it on their
<v Speaker 3>faces when they're pulling g's. You can't fake that.
<v Speaker 2>They have to run the cameras like when they're up there,
<v Speaker 2>they have to be that they they become actor and
<v Speaker 2>director at the same time, because there's only so much
<v Speaker 2>that you can do. So they've got to not only
<v Speaker 2>endure all of those g's, they've not only got to
<v Speaker 2>stay in character, but they've got to make sure that
<v Speaker 2>they're in the frame properly, and that what's you know,
<v Speaker 2>that the light is hitting them on the right side
<v Speaker 2>before they are rolling these things. I mean, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>an amazing bit of work that all of these actors
<v Speaker 2>who are in these planes have done. And Tom Cruise,
<v Speaker 2>He's like, before we even start, I'm putting you through
<v Speaker 2>an aviation training regiment, right. He started in a single
<v Speaker 2>engine to build their like spatial awareness once they're up
<v Speaker 2>in the air, and then went to an L thirty
<v Speaker 2>nine so that they could feel the aerobatics type of
<v Speaker 2>feelings when you do sure when you're doing jet stuff, right,
<v Speaker 2>And then the F eighteen launching off an aircraft carrier.
<v Speaker 3>Dude, that F eighteen is no joke, man, No, no
<v Speaker 3>talk about that.
<v Speaker 2>So the you know opening scene again once again, you've
<v Speaker 2>got these two F eighteens that are super close to
<v Speaker 2>each other, right, They're probably as close as you can
<v Speaker 2>get and be within the rules of combat training. And
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, Maverick shoots up between them,
<v Speaker 2>which against the rules, right, You're not allowed to get
<v Speaker 2>that close.
<v Speaker 3>But Maverick is Maverick. Maverick you know, cannot be teamed.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So Maverick is still being Maverick in this particular movie.
<v Speaker 3>You see the clip where he's like, all right, Maverick,
<v Speaker 3>don't get fired on the first day.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, And you've got John Hamm is obviously a guy
<v Speaker 2>who's ready to get rid of Maverick.
<v Speaker 3>He is he's the enemy general or whatever he is.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what his rank is, but he's obviously
<v Speaker 2>the guy who is ready to have Maverick out of there.
<v Speaker 3>So let me just say this up front. So there's
<v Speaker 3>a lot there's like misinformation on the top gun Maverick movies.
<v Speaker 3>So like I wanted to research it, h I didn't
<v Speaker 3>want to learn too much because I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>spoil the movie for myself, right, right, So I'm coming
<v Speaker 3>across like multiple characters for actors, and they've done a
<v Speaker 3>great job of keeping this sort of under wraps. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Imagine doing the most anticipated movie, like sequel movie in
<v Speaker 3>thirty years, right, and having to not talk about it
<v Speaker 3>for four years. Right. So John Hamm's character I show
<v Speaker 3>is cyclone. That's his call sign, all right. I have
<v Speaker 3>also seen it listed that he's Merlin.
<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, that does make sense? Well, I know, okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean why wouldn't they just get Tim Robbins to
<v Speaker 2>play that part? Well, exactly, there's no Tim Robbins. There's
<v Speaker 2>no Kelly McGillis. Right, there's no Meg Ryan. Right, there's
<v Speaker 2>no Tom Skarett. Right, there's no Rick Krossovich. There's no
<v Speaker 2>Rick Krossovitch, there's no Michael Ironside's. Yeah, so we're pretty
<v Speaker 2>well starting fresh. Although I think that, like I show
<v Speaker 2>that maybe Merlin's in this movie, Sundown Slider, Charlie Viper, Hmmm.
<v Speaker 2>I will be interested to see which of these characters
<v Speaker 2>make an appearance. Yeah, this will be exciting. The director said,
<v Speaker 2>you know when they when people were like, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you didn't even call Kelly McGillis. Yeah, and you didn't
<v Speaker 2>even call Meg Ryan. He was like, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 2>this is just a new story. Not everything has to
<v Speaker 2>look back at the old story. This is a new
<v Speaker 2>story with new characters, and some are the same and
<v Speaker 2>some just don't belong in the story, you know.
<v Speaker 3>So I feel bad for Kelly McGillis.
<v Speaker 2>Well, Kelly McGillis is living in a lug, having a happy,
<v Speaker 2>quiet life, teaching theater and film at a local school.
<v Speaker 3>She's happy. I mean she didn't.
<v Speaker 2>She kind of grew tired of the constant Hollywood image
<v Speaker 2>and trying to live that lifestyle. She wanted to go
<v Speaker 2>spend time with her kids and enjoy them. And I
<v Speaker 2>can't blame her for that.
<v Speaker 3>That's absolutely not more power to her. But I've seen
<v Speaker 3>more things on Facebook of look, how fat key. That's terrible.
<v Speaker 3>That is terrible. That's wrong. Okay, that's wrong. Okay. So
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about cast for just a second. So Tom
<v Speaker 3>Cruise returns as Maverick. Obviously, he's actually older than Tom
<v Speaker 3>Scarett was in Top Gun. That's crazy, right, he's older
<v Speaker 3>than her. He's a viper. Yeah. So Tom Cruise right
<v Speaker 3>now is fifty nine. Yeah, which is older than Tom
<v Speaker 3>Skarett was when he played Viper in the original Top Gun.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Tom Cruise aged a little bit better than Tom
<v Speaker 2>Skarett did. Dude, No offense, No offense to Tom Garrett.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying Tom Cruise looks the same. Like I
<v Speaker 2>heard the John Hamm interview and he was like, somehow
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise like stay in the same spot and I
<v Speaker 2>passed him. Like I didn't just pass him, I like
<v Speaker 2>zoomed by.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, listen, Tom Cruise and Jennifer Connelly have that rare gene.
<v Speaker 3>There's stone age, yeah, and probably hard work and good
<v Speaker 3>you know, medical help probably so probably that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>lots of time in the gym that I haven't been
<v Speaker 3>putting in. So Tom Cruise plays Maverick okay, okay, Jennifer
<v Speaker 3>Connelly plays Penny Benjamin. R Okay. Does that name stand
<v Speaker 3>out to you? Yeah, Admiral's daughter. For those of you
<v Speaker 3>who don't remember, when Maverick and Goose are getting balled
<v Speaker 3>out by Stinger for going to rescue Cougar at the
<v Speaker 3>very beginning of Top Gun nineteen eighty six, Stinger's bawling
<v Speaker 3>him out for all kinds of stuff, you know, put
<v Speaker 3>in hack twice by me, one high Speed fly By
<v Speaker 3>and one Addmiral's daughter and Goose Lan's. Everyone goes Penny
<v Speaker 3>Benjamin and Tom Goods like, I'm not sure right right, Well,
<v Speaker 3>Penny Benjamin. As soon as I heard Jennifer Connelly is
<v Speaker 3>Penny Benjamin, I'm like, crap, that's from the first movie.
<v Speaker 3>What a great tie in. Yeah, I get to meet
<v Speaker 3>her now. Then Miles Teller plays Rooster. He's actually Goose's son. Well,
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have sweet great balls of Fire feelings for Maverick,
<v Speaker 3>he does not, but man, he pulls off the look.
<v Speaker 2>He's got the perfect mustache sache, He's got the right haircut,
<v Speaker 2>he's got the right clothes. They nailed Goose's look for Rooster.
<v Speaker 3>They did you know that Miles Teller was actually born
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty seven. He was born after Top Gun
<v Speaker 3>came out.
<v Speaker 2>So but not bad because in the movie Top Gun
<v Speaker 2>you see Meg Ryan and Anthony Edwards have a kid. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and he's pretty young. I mean he's like, yeah, you know, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's definitely believable. That could work, Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 3>And so there's some bad blood between Rooster and Maverick.
<v Speaker 3>I think he even says, my dad believed in you.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to make the same mistake. Lots of tention.
<v Speaker 3>I'm excited for that part of it as well. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>who else you got? Okay, Monica Barbara, she is playing
<v Speaker 3>Phoenix's a female pilot. Yes, so there's that, which is new.
<v Speaker 2>There were no female cast members in the original Top Gun.
<v Speaker 2>She's out there, and from what I can gather, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think there's going to be some kind of romance
<v Speaker 2>story with her, which is again accurate, because one of
<v Speaker 2>the deals with Kelly mcgillis's character was she couldn't be
<v Speaker 2>a part of the military because the military were not
<v Speaker 2>allowed to fraightenize. And I think if the Navy's behind
<v Speaker 2>this like they were on the first one, they're probably
<v Speaker 2>going to stick to the stick to those guns if
<v Speaker 2>you will.
<v Speaker 3>I think you're right. We got Val Kilma returning in
<v Speaker 3>as Iceman. We got Glenn Powell as Hangman. He's the
<v Speaker 3>guy that we talked about who they went out for
<v Speaker 3>milkshakes and tater tots after the football scene. I think
<v Speaker 3>he's going to be the sort of iceman character in
<v Speaker 3>this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like in the train it looks like
<v Speaker 2>that rooster is like trying to go after him inside
<v Speaker 2>the classroom quote unquote classroom, which again is still they're
<v Speaker 2>doing it out on like the deck or whatever. It's
<v Speaker 2>not in an actual.
<v Speaker 3>Classroom, of course, but it's beautiful hang that American flag
<v Speaker 3>while in class, right. And you also have John Hamm
<v Speaker 3>playing Cyclone. As we said, Ed Harris. His title is
<v Speaker 3>listed as Rear Admiral. Uh huh. But I've also heard
<v Speaker 3>maybe Jester okay, And then you've got Jean Louisa Kelly. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 3>you recognize her from Uncle Buck and yes, dear, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>she was the she was the niece on Uncle Buck. Yes, Tia, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>she's playing Sarah Kazanski. Oh, so we think this is
<v Speaker 3>a wife, maybe her sister.
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a wife, yeah, which that kind of
<v Speaker 2>is leaning to me like it's going to be Iceman
<v Speaker 2>who's in the coffin.
<v Speaker 3>I think so too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, We've got several writers on this one, yes, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Story wise, we've got Justin Marx who was the creator
<v Speaker 2>of Counterpart, that JK. Simmons in it, and then the
<v Speaker 2>other As far as story goes, we have Peter Craig,
<v Speaker 2>who we talked about on our episode on The Batman. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>it was Peter Craig who went and worked with Matt
<v Speaker 2>Reeves for the script for The Batman. He has also
<v Speaker 2>done Bad Boys for Life, He's done two of the
<v Speaker 2>Hunger Games movies. He's done The Town Ben Affleck Living right.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm looking at him and he's Sally Field's son.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what what Sally Field son is writing
<v Speaker 2>some of the best movies to come out in the
<v Speaker 2>last ten years.
<v Speaker 3>Little Frog. We got a couple of other guys who
<v Speaker 3>are involved with the script. We've got Christopher McQuire who
<v Speaker 3>helped with Mission Impossible, Fallout, did The Edge of Tomorrow,
<v Speaker 3>did the usual Suspects, so.
<v Speaker 2>A one writer there. We've got Aaron Warren Singer who
<v Speaker 2>did Only The Brave, the International and American Hustle. We've
<v Speaker 2>got Aaron Krueger who did The Ring and Arlington Road
<v Speaker 2>and Scream three. Scream three was the worst them, but
<v Speaker 2>hopefully he's improved since then. Okay, but a lot of
<v Speaker 2>writers on this one, But I think the most interesting
<v Speaker 2>thing is our director. Before I get into the director,
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk one more thing about the trailer,
<v Speaker 2>all right, Yeah, So at the end of the trailer,
<v Speaker 2>you've got this scene where Maverick is in what looks
<v Speaker 2>to be a space helmet and he's in like this black,
<v Speaker 2>otherworldly looking jet and it shows this guy standing outside
<v Speaker 2>of a little shack as the jet zooms by, the
<v Speaker 2>dust billows up, and yet the roof literally comes off
<v Speaker 2>of the shack and slams back down.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, what kind of plane was that? And
<v Speaker 2>I had heard like, is it a SpaceX thing? Because
<v Speaker 2>I know that Jerry Bruckheimer and Tom Cruise had talked
<v Speaker 2>to Elon Musk about SpaceX stuff. It's not that, okay,
<v Speaker 2>you guys ready, he Here's what it is, all right.
<v Speaker 2>This is a not yet released plane called the Hypersonic
<v Speaker 2>dark Star. It is an SR seventy two. It is
<v Speaker 2>the follow up to the SR seventy one Blackbird, which
<v Speaker 2>was designed by Lockheed Martin and Joseph Kaczinski and Jerry
<v Speaker 2>Bruckheimer got together with the guys from Lockheed Martin and
<v Speaker 2>they are the ones that created this simulation of this
<v Speaker 2>Dark Star plane.
<v Speaker 3>What it is awesome and Jerry Bruckheimer, whatever they did,
<v Speaker 3>Jerry Bruckheimer said, it was so real. It was so
<v Speaker 3>real looking.
<v Speaker 2>That China changed their satellite direction in order to get
<v Speaker 2>a better view of their fake plane like they thought
<v Speaker 2>it was. They thought it was the real thing. Skunk
<v Speaker 2>Works was the name of the company that were the
<v Speaker 2>guys from Lockheed Martin's who built and designed this mock
<v Speaker 2>up Dark Star Hypersonic SR seventy two. Very very cool.
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to see what they do with that. It
<v Speaker 2>was not just for the trailer.
<v Speaker 3>Dark Star sounds like a new gi Joe toy I
<v Speaker 3>mean Dark Star was the name of the movie that
<v Speaker 3>John car Carpenter, Yes, John Carpenter and Dan O'Bannon from
<v Speaker 3>the movie that they did to get y. Yes, that's
<v Speaker 3>right way to go. Okay, I just want to touch.
<v Speaker 2>Cinematographer is Claudio Miranda. He did Life of Pie, he
<v Speaker 2>did Benjamin Buttons, he did Oblivion and Crimson Tide your favorite, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And our composers Harold Faldemeyer is back and to join
<v Speaker 2>him Hans freakin' Zimmer.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, yeah, Hey, you know who else is back?
<v Speaker 3>Tell me Kenny Loggins?
<v Speaker 5>What?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, tell me more. Here's what I know. Kenny Loggins
<v Speaker 3>is releasing a new version of danger Zone. That's all
<v Speaker 3>I know. And I can't wait to hear it. Freaking
<v Speaker 3>ready to get my sock socks blown off right here,
<v Speaker 3>it's always a different article of skirt, the dress, socks,
<v Speaker 3>my gloves are gonna fly off.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now let's talk director Joseph Kazinsky. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Kaczinski. His first movie was Tron Legacy. Since then
<v Speaker 2>he's done Only the Brave. He's also done Oblivion with
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise.
<v Speaker 3>Of course. Yes, he also did the Taco Bell Web
<v Speaker 3>of Fries commercial. It's pretty awesome Web And here's a
<v Speaker 3>little special treat for you, sir. He is got an
<v Speaker 3>upcoming movie Twister. Wait a minute, would that not be awesome? Really?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, let's go. That is freaking cool. So, Joseph Kaczinski,
<v Speaker 2>I got some story here.
<v Speaker 3>Wait before you get in, Before you get into it.
<v Speaker 3>I called you the other day and I said, you
<v Speaker 3>have got to watch Oblivion. It's one of the best
<v Speaker 3>movies in the two thousands. You know, we did that
<v Speaker 3>episode a couple of months ago where we ranked the
<v Speaker 3>best movies since two thousand. Yeah, Oblivion did not make
<v Speaker 3>my top ten, but looking back on it, it probably
<v Speaker 3>should have. Okay, did you watch that movie? I still
<v Speaker 3>have not seen it. I've been begging Gayleb to watch
<v Speaker 3>it with me, and it's just like you know, with
<v Speaker 3>your kids, it's like, I want to watch it. No, thanks, dad,
<v Speaker 3>no thanks? Oh my gosh, it's so good. So, if
<v Speaker 3>you haven't seen Oblivion, Tom Cruise is the star Oga,
<v Speaker 3>Carolinko Hore Schmokes, and then of course Joseph Kazinski directing.
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome. Yes, so tell me.
<v Speaker 2>About what you learned about how many hours of footage
<v Speaker 2>you've got on this.
<v Speaker 3>They shot eight hundred hours in order to make this movie.
<v Speaker 3>Eight hundred hours.
<v Speaker 2>That's nuts. So I was thinking about this when you
<v Speaker 2>told me that. I'm like, okay, So they shot that much.
<v Speaker 2>You don't have time in a normal setting to go
<v Speaker 2>through that. They've had four years, I mean nearly four years.
<v Speaker 2>They've had nearly four years to go through all of
<v Speaker 2>this and really tweak the heck out of this movie
<v Speaker 2>if they wanted to.
<v Speaker 3>So you really are.
<v Speaker 2>Going to get the best of the best of eight
<v Speaker 2>hundred hours of footage, which, as we mentioned, are shot
<v Speaker 2>on Imax cameras.
<v Speaker 3>The whole movie is shot on Imax digital cameras. The
<v Speaker 3>original Top Gun was shot on thirty five millimeters. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>when you think about the eight hundred hours in order
<v Speaker 3>to properly edit, and we know this because we edit
<v Speaker 3>our show. Yeah, you have to watch to see what's good. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>eight hundred hours. You'd have to spend one hundred days,
<v Speaker 3>eight hours a day just to watch. That's not the
<v Speaker 3>amount of edything they had to do on this is
<v Speaker 3>beyond me. Right, before you go into your Joseph Kazinski story, Yes,
<v Speaker 3>you threw that nugget at me that he's got Twister
<v Speaker 3>maybe coming up on the horizon, which sounds great. I'll
<v Speaker 3>count me in, right, Also possible remakes that he's in
<v Speaker 3>charge of. You ready for this, Yeah, if you are
<v Speaker 3>in a seventies, eighties nineties movie buff, listen up. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he might be working on Logan's Run. Oh wow, the
<v Speaker 3>black Hole, Oh wow, the Twilight Zone. Okay, that is
<v Speaker 3>freaking awesome. Keep you go, and the movie version of
<v Speaker 3>the video game Grand Treatsman. Wow, this guy is somebody
<v Speaker 3>to keep your eye on. The black Hole. Scared the
<v Speaker 3>holy crap out of me as a kid.
<v Speaker 2>If they've got to have the scene with the book
<v Speaker 2>in the saw is all I'm saying, absolutely, or.
<v Speaker 3>Make it better. I don't know how you went up
<v Speaker 3>that one, but that's yeah. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you a little bit about Joseph Kazinski. A. Right, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So this is a this is a prime example of
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to go to USC's film school to
<v Speaker 2>become a director of some monumental movies.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he started off at Stanford studying jazz and engineering.
<v Speaker 3>Really, yeah, tell me more.
<v Speaker 2>So he is an engineer student. He goes to this
<v Speaker 2>product design class and at some point the professor kind
<v Speaker 2>of pulls him aside and says, hey, you get a
<v Speaker 2>really good eye for design, maybe that should be the
<v Speaker 2>thing that you pursue. And so he decides to study
<v Speaker 2>architecture as a grad student. And he thought that was
<v Speaker 2>going to be the best way to kind of combine
<v Speaker 2>these artistic interests and the design and architecture interest that
<v Speaker 2>he has. And so he goes over to friend's house
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to decide where he wants to go to school,
<v Speaker 2>and on the friend's wall he sees this Marcel Broyer
<v Speaker 2>chair and he's he finds out from his friend, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>that's my older brother did this thing. He goes to
<v Speaker 2>Columbia at the School of Architecture and he's like school architecture, really,
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, that's the way to do it. Over there,
<v Speaker 2>they are doing amazing new things with computer that beyond AutoCAD,
<v Speaker 2>and so he's like, Okay, I think this is the
<v Speaker 2>way I'm going to go, and so becomes he was
<v Speaker 2>a grad student at Columbia in School of Architecture. He
<v Speaker 2>actually finishes and is teaching. He's a professor of architecture.
<v Speaker 2>This guy's like our age, right, yeah. Okay, So he
<v Speaker 2>realizes that this is not the way he wants to
<v Speaker 2>spend his life, and so after school he's like, I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna start.
<v Speaker 3>Making short films. Okay, So he starts making.
<v Speaker 2>Short films with his computer and distributing them on the internet. Well,
<v Speaker 2>this is like eighteen ninety six, I mean, this is
<v Speaker 2>who this is. This is pre YouTube, this is pre
<v Speaker 2>I mean we're talking.
<v Speaker 3>About AOL dial up at this point. Wow.
<v Speaker 2>And this guy's making short films. And so he starts
<v Speaker 2>this little company with a friend of his called KD Labs,
<v Speaker 2>and their tagline is we are interested in exploring the
<v Speaker 2>blurred boundaries between architecture, film and graphics. So these short
<v Speaker 2>films get out on the Internet and he gets invited
<v Speaker 2>out to go to La. He gets hooked up with
<v Speaker 2>David Fincher in LA in the nineties. Wow, who gets
<v Speaker 2>him a job an advertising production company called Anonymous Content
<v Speaker 2>and he starts doing commercials.
<v Speaker 3>Told you, dude, that's the way it.
<v Speaker 2>Is, Like, I mean, Tony Scott, Ridley Scott. Making commercials
<v Speaker 2>leads to movies. This guy, So let me talk to
<v Speaker 2>you about the commercials that he's done. I sent you
<v Speaker 2>the Sab commercial, which you know again Tony Scott. So
<v Speaker 2>he did this awesome Sab commercial.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>He did Halo three Starry Night if you want to.
<v Speaker 2>If you know that commercial, it's impressive. He did the
<v Speaker 2>Chevy Baby one, he did the Gears of War Mad
<v Speaker 2>World one. He's done a ton of these awesome commercials
<v Speaker 2>and he was there whenever YouTube was new. So I
<v Speaker 2>went and I looked at it. He's got like four
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirteen followers on his YouTube channel because he
<v Speaker 2>hasn't posted anything in thirteen years, but it's.
<v Speaker 3>All of his commercials, right.
<v Speaker 6>Huh.
<v Speaker 2>Well, thirteen years ago is when he gets a knock
<v Speaker 2>at the door and they said, hey, we'd like you
<v Speaker 2>to do the new version of Tron for us.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. What an incredible story that is. By the way, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>have you seen child Legacy? I mean I have not known. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot like a Ridley Scott or Tony Scott movie.
<v Speaker 3>The visuals are out of this world. Right, It's a
<v Speaker 3>bit long and boring. Okay, you know right, that's kind
<v Speaker 3>of what I That's what I got. Visually stunning.
<v Speaker 2>If you look at his old commercials, They are all
<v Speaker 2>obviously heavily computer and CGI driven, and he does a
<v Speaker 2>great job with it. And you are not big fans
<v Speaker 2>of CGI, but he seems like the appropriate choice in
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten to be the guy that does a movie
<v Speaker 2>where the guy's stuck inside of a video game, right, right,
<v Speaker 2>he seems to be the obvious choice for that. It
<v Speaker 2>didn't turn out as well as they wanted it to,
<v Speaker 2>but leads down some rows.
<v Speaker 3>Right. Sure.
<v Speaker 2>So around the same time twenty ten, he is writing
<v Speaker 2>a graphic novel as a story idea for that he has,
<v Speaker 2>and that is what becomes Oblivion. Yes, Tron was filmed
<v Speaker 2>in March of twenty twelve, released in twenty thirteen. He
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to do a third Tron, but Disney was like, no,
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't well received, We're not going to do another one. Fortunately,
<v Speaker 2>he goes on to do Oblivion. He then does Only
<v Speaker 2>The Brave, which I mean that's not a CGI movie, right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's you've got some fire effects, but it's
<v Speaker 2>all very realistic. And so you can see this kind
<v Speaker 2>of gradual progression of this guy from heavy computer Sure,
<v Speaker 2>and now what we've got with top Gun Maverick is
<v Speaker 2>we don't want any appearance of CGI at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And fortunately with this guy, I think he's good enough
<v Speaker 2>that if it's there, it's going to be so good
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to know it.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the goal, right, By the way, have you
<v Speaker 3>seen Only the Brave? I have not. Let me tell
<v Speaker 3>you about it. No, please don't.
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking to Jason on the phone and he's like, oh, hey, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so and Only the Brave. This moment is so impactful,
<v Speaker 2>and it's I'm like, are you telling me what happened
<v Speaker 2>in the movie? And he's like, oh, but don't worry.
<v Speaker 2>That's not really what happened.
<v Speaker 3>Is other thing. I'm like, no, stop telling me, Stop
<v Speaker 3>telling me what happens. So that is our spoiler warning, right,
<v Speaker 3>that's our warning. We will have spoilers very shortly. But
<v Speaker 3>we got just a few more couple things to talk about,
<v Speaker 3>and then we're going to go watch the movie and
<v Speaker 3>tell you what we think. Yep. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So when you were talking to me, you're like, so
<v Speaker 2>this is Joseic Kazinski's and Tom Cruise's second team up.
<v Speaker 3>Together, right, yeah, Oblivion. Oblivion was first. Yes, he was
<v Speaker 3>going to do a movie called Go like hell, go
<v Speaker 3>Like Hell. I saw him on this.
<v Speaker 2>It was on Comic Con and he was with the
<v Speaker 2>director of the new Jurassic World movies and Robert Rodriguez
<v Speaker 2>and him, those three guys, and they had different questions
<v Speaker 2>for him, and they're like, Hey, what's the movie that
<v Speaker 2>you were super excited about that got canned, you know,
<v Speaker 2>went into development?
<v Speaker 3>Hell whatever?
<v Speaker 2>It was right, and he was like, oh, well, I
<v Speaker 2>had this movie that I was going to do called
<v Speaker 2>Go Like Hell. It ended up being Ford Versus Ferrari. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>he goes yeah, we just couldn't get the budget that
<v Speaker 2>we wanted for it. And the guy's like, well, how
<v Speaker 2>close were you? And he goes, well, had Tom Cruise
<v Speaker 2>and Brad Pitt doing a table read for me. Whoa
<v Speaker 2>And the director of Jurassic Park Rustic World was.
<v Speaker 3>Like, what so this is really their third team up.
<v Speaker 3>It's just that the second one didn't work out. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>You have the two guys from Interview with a Vampire
<v Speaker 3>back to do another movie. I mean wow, I mean
<v Speaker 3>two of the biggest movie stars of our time.
<v Speaker 2>Really, to be honest, yeah, absolutely so. Can you imagine
<v Speaker 2>Fod versus Ferrari with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt instead
<v Speaker 2>of Matt Damon and Christian Bale. That would have been yes, please, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean talk about your recasting of movies. That would
<v Speaker 2>have been something spectacular, fantastic. I can't figure out. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if they ended up getting more money after
<v Speaker 2>he left the project or what. But obviously they didn't
<v Speaker 2>spare expense on that movie.
<v Speaker 3>That seems like a sure thing. I don't know why
<v Speaker 3>they demanded that one, but right, Okay, so you got
<v Speaker 3>anything else, tell me what you got. Okay, I want
<v Speaker 3>to add one more thing before we move into the
<v Speaker 3>spoiler zone here. Okay, I've just seen Tom Cruise out.
<v Speaker 3>You know, he's doing the publicity right now. Again, we
<v Speaker 3>haven't seen this movie just yet. Tom Cruise was asked.
<v Speaker 3>They were like, did you ever think about showing this
<v Speaker 3>streaming along with the theaters? Is never? Never, never, right?
<v Speaker 3>This is a in theater experience movie, and I really
<v Speaker 3>I give it up to him for that. Tom Cruise
<v Speaker 3>is a lot of things, but what he's really good at.
<v Speaker 3>He's a great movie star, and he is a cinema lover,
<v Speaker 3>and he is giving us a movie that deserves to
<v Speaker 3>be watched in the theater. Let me just say this.
<v Speaker 2>We kind of gushed after we saw The Batman together, right,
<v Speaker 2>and we saw it in Imax.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Now, after that, I talked to friends who had seen
<v Speaker 2>it who were upset with the sound quality. They were like,
<v Speaker 2>I felt like they were whispering the whole time. And
<v Speaker 2>I know, as a guy who watches movies at my house,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the loudness of the sound effects or the loudness
<v Speaker 2>of the soundtrack gets overwhelming and I feel like I
<v Speaker 2>don't want to put the subtitles on, but I can't
<v Speaker 2>hear what people are saying, and I am going deaf.
<v Speaker 2>But okay, but there's something about an Imax theater where
<v Speaker 2>the sound is so perfectly designed that I didn't even
<v Speaker 2>those weren't even thoughts that remotely occurred to me as
<v Speaker 2>we were watching it in the Imax theater. And so
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna go watch this one Imax.
<v Speaker 3>I want to urge.
<v Speaker 2>Anyone who can go see any movie that's big and
<v Speaker 2>beautiful like this, go see it on the Imax. And
<v Speaker 2>even if it's not this big beautiful movie, go see
<v Speaker 2>it because I think the sound design is even better
<v Speaker 2>and won't be distorted like it is on your home
<v Speaker 2>theater or if you try to stream it on HBO
<v Speaker 2>when it comes out in a month or whatever it is.
<v Speaker 3>So please do this.
<v Speaker 2>Movie the justice, And if you've got a four D
<v Speaker 2>theater near you, you need to go see that because
<v Speaker 2>there are moments in this movie where you're going to
<v Speaker 2>be side view in a F eighteen jet.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Hugh making my own face here. I can't
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to go see this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just real quick before we head to the theater.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody talks about how awesome Tom Cruise is and how
<v Speaker 2>much passion he has for all of U projects, especially
<v Speaker 2>this one. After Top Gun the original, he became a pilot.
<v Speaker 2>He owns his own planes. He was the guy giving
<v Speaker 2>instructions to these actors, and he said that this movie
<v Speaker 2>is a love letter to aviation.
<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. He legitimately thought that the Navy was
<v Speaker 3>gonna let him fly an fad. No, they were like, uh,
<v Speaker 3>not so much.
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 3>But he did land a helicopter at a screening just
<v Speaker 3>the other day. I saw him landed the helicopter like
<v Speaker 3>a frickin' boss. And God often went to his premiere.
<v Speaker 3>It is too exciting for us to talk anymore. Let
<v Speaker 3>us go buy our popcorn and check out this movie.
<v Speaker 3>Let's go that you are now entering the spoiler zone.
<v Speaker 3>Whoa there, buddy.
<v Speaker 2>Before we jump into the spoiler zone, we have got
<v Speaker 2>a special little treat from the guys from a Film.
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<v Speaker 5>well as decide what was the best movie of nineteen
<v Speaker 5>eighty six? You mean Big Trouble On Little China could be,
<v Speaker 5>but hey, it's also the year that gave us Top Gun, Aliens,
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<v Speaker 2>rich in this episode.
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<v Speaker 2>Now it is time to jump into the spoiler zone.
<v Speaker 2>We have seen the movie now, yes, and I can
<v Speaker 2>say a long time ago, in a movie theater far
<v Speaker 2>far away, we saw an amazing movie. Yes, and then
<v Speaker 2>we came back thirty something years later and we saw
<v Speaker 2>another amazing movie that was very much like Top Gun,
<v Speaker 2>but also very much like Star Wars.
<v Speaker 3>It really was. We both agreed that this was really
<v Speaker 3>kind of a retelling of Star Wars.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So, just in case you didn't catch it, we're
<v Speaker 2>about to spoil the heck out of this movie. So
<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to hear the spoilers, run away.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not going to give away what I think
<v Speaker 2>are probably the best parts. I'm just going to tell
<v Speaker 2>you great stuff coming right, sure, sure, Okay, So we
<v Speaker 2>started off this movie with virtually an identical introduction from
<v Speaker 2>the original movie.
<v Speaker 3>I loved it. It was a love letter to the fans.
<v Speaker 2>It absolutely was. And I get to say for this
<v Speaker 2>whole movie, if you are going to take a movie
<v Speaker 2>that has the nostalgia that is attached like the nostalgia
<v Speaker 2>is to Top Gun, this is a lesson on.
<v Speaker 3>How to do that.
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 2>They let us in with this beautiful throwback to the
<v Speaker 2>way that we saw things when we first saw Top Gun.
<v Speaker 2>They ended it in a very similar style. It was
<v Speaker 2>spot on. Hey fans, we're here for you. But also,
<v Speaker 2>here's another great story that is very unlike the first story.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this really blew my doors off, so I appreciate
<v Speaker 3>the effort and the time. You know, we talked about
<v Speaker 3>how this was a love letter not only to aviation
<v Speaker 3>but to movie fans. Yeah, if you like cinema, this
<v Speaker 3>was a love letter to you.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, this is a way not to screw it up.
<v Speaker 2>There have been tons of screw ups that have happened
<v Speaker 2>in the past. I've ventured to say even Joseph Kazinski
<v Speaker 2>probably had a lesson to learn from doing the Tron
<v Speaker 2>Legacy because it didn't really pay off the way that
<v Speaker 2>the original did. But what he did with this one
<v Speaker 2>was a masterpiece.
<v Speaker 3>It was fun, It was a little less rock and roll.
<v Speaker 3>It was definitely more concentrated on Maverick.
<v Speaker 2>The story. I expected a deeper story and I got one.
<v Speaker 2>This one, it's true, was not full rock and roll
<v Speaker 2>all the time. You got plenty of fast jets, you
<v Speaker 2>got good looking women, you got good looking guys, you
<v Speaker 2>got guys who are kicking butt, and it's all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of awesome. But there is a much deeper plot line
<v Speaker 2>behind this one than from the original movie. Yeah, which
<v Speaker 2>is not super hard to do because the original movie
<v Speaker 2>did not have a super deep plot it was about
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll in the sky, right, Yeah, but.
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't deep it was. It was still a very
<v Speaker 3>much popcorn movie, very enjoyable at least two like bust
<v Speaker 3>out laughing moments. Yes, that were very real. So even
<v Speaker 3>though I thought the movie was sort of more serious
<v Speaker 3>in tone, it was still tons of fun. The aerial
<v Speaker 3>combat stuff was amazing.
<v Speaker 2>So let me talk about a few of the things
<v Speaker 2>that we talked about in the early half of this episode.
<v Speaker 2>Right in the first half of this episode. Number one,
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned the Dark Star. Yes, that is You're gonna
<v Speaker 2>get that right off the bat, and it is awesome.
<v Speaker 2>It is a great introduction. It lets us know where
<v Speaker 2>Maverick stands, like how he's grown as a human being
<v Speaker 2>and not grown as a human being. It is very
<v Speaker 2>well executed and lays the foundation for the story at hand.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>It is a it's a foreshadowing of what's to come.
<v Speaker 2>They then bring us into very similar circumstances, like we're
<v Speaker 2>going to go back to training, right, but it's not
<v Speaker 2>police academy at all. Right, it's it's not back to
<v Speaker 2>the miner. Yes, it's it is. It is some genuinely
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. They've got a woman who's now part of
<v Speaker 2>the Top Gun crew, and what they're doing in this
<v Speaker 2>one was a little more in line with what we
<v Speaker 2>talked about Top Gun being really like where each squad
<v Speaker 2>sends their top pilots to learn and then go back
<v Speaker 2>and teach. And what we've got in this one is
<v Speaker 2>those guys are coming back again.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, not just.
<v Speaker 2>The best of the squads, it's the best of the
<v Speaker 2>best of the squads.
<v Speaker 3>It's like the best of Top Gun. Yeah. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>gotta say there's a sequence involving an F fourteen. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so that was like my favorite part of the entire movie, right.
<v Speaker 3>I have to say I talked about this first half
<v Speaker 3>of the episode. You know, the fact that there was
<v Speaker 3>an F fourteen Tomcat in the trailer, and I was like,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how they're gonna bring that. Is this
<v Speaker 3>a flashback?
<v Speaker 2>What is it? It is the best payoff in the
<v Speaker 2>whole movie, in my opinion, and they lovingly refer to
<v Speaker 2>it as a bag of ass.
<v Speaker 3>And not only is it a great moment when that
<v Speaker 3>thing comes back in, but the whole use of the
<v Speaker 3>F fourteen is beautiful. And I'll say this, Okay, so
<v Speaker 3>we've seen two kind of Hey, we're re redoing a story.
<v Speaker 3>This year.
<v Speaker 2>We saw The Batman, we saw this one. The Batman
<v Speaker 2>I loved, but it didn't deliver as well in the
<v Speaker 2>third act. Same problem I had with The Dark Knight,
<v Speaker 2>same problem I had with Batman eighty nine. This one,
<v Speaker 2>I think the third act was probably the best act
<v Speaker 2>of the whole movie.
<v Speaker 3>Totally agree. The climax and then the second climax, We're
<v Speaker 3>out of this world, blow your socks off, awesome popcorn fund.
<v Speaker 2>We had a couple of points of no return and
<v Speaker 2>they delivered like we probably had three to four points
<v Speaker 2>where you're just like, I don't know how they're going
<v Speaker 2>to get out of this one. And it wasn't contrived.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I loved about it. None of this was contrived.
<v Speaker 2>Everything was like, Okay, that makes sense. I mean, they
<v Speaker 2>they sold it. They didn't give us something that we're like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>come on, really, No, this was all spot on, great
<v Speaker 2>storytelling from beginning to end.
<v Speaker 3>I will say this, so before we saw the movie,
<v Speaker 3>obviously we didn't know about it. No slider, no viper,
<v Speaker 3>no gesture, no sundown, none of the guys from the
<v Speaker 3>first movie except well, you have Maverick. You have Iceman,
<v Speaker 3>and you have Penny Benjamin, and you have Goose.
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, yeah, there's talk of Goose. There's some
<v Speaker 2>flashback moments, but yes, see.
<v Speaker 3>The ghost of Goose.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we didn't get Obi Wan saying use the force,
<v Speaker 2>but we got pretty darn close.
<v Speaker 3>There was some very close similarities.
<v Speaker 2>So big spoilers coming along here. Well, part of what
<v Speaker 2>they have to do is hit a like three meter
<v Speaker 2>wide target.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, we used the bullseye wap rats back home on
<v Speaker 3>our T sixteen. It's not much bigger than two meters right, right.
<v Speaker 2>And you have an outlaw member of the Top Gun
<v Speaker 2>crew who saves the day at the end of the Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>my god, all clear, kid.
<v Speaker 3>What's well? This thing to go home? Hey, you know
<v Speaker 3>what one of the funniest moments of the night. We
<v Speaker 3>were standing in line.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is the best.
<v Speaker 3>It's the best moment of the night.
<v Speaker 2>So Jason's wearing his top gun shirt, right, he's got
<v Speaker 2>his top gun shirt on. We're standing a line. I
<v Speaker 2>don't even know why we're standing in line because we
<v Speaker 2>have assigned seats, but I guess, you know, we're like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>we're dumb fans. So we're standing in line and this
<v Speaker 2>guy's in front of us and he goes to Jaycey's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>nice shirt.
<v Speaker 3>How old is that?
<v Speaker 2>And he's like huh. He goes, is it from the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, I got this like a couple of
<v Speaker 2>years ago at Target. And he's like, oh yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>guys excited and we're like yeah, and he goes.
<v Speaker 3>Have you seen the original?
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Yeah, yeah, we caught that one.
<v Speaker 3>I almost started laughing and I'm like, I've seen this
<v Speaker 3>movie a thousand times. Have you seen the original?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes we have.
<v Speaker 3>That's why we're here on Opening night with my top
<v Speaker 3>gun shirt on.
<v Speaker 2>That's classic. No after credit scenes.
<v Speaker 3>In case you're wondering.
<v Speaker 2>About that, you will have you will have an nice
<v Speaker 2>little epilogue. Let's talk about Penny Benjamin real quick. She beautiful,
<v Speaker 2>but not like overly plastic to you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>she looks like a genuinely.
<v Speaker 3>I think I told you she looks like a beautiful
<v Speaker 3>soccer mom, a.
<v Speaker 2>Very beautiful soccer mom. But Jennifer Conley has aged exceptionally well.
<v Speaker 3>Tom Cruise have aged extremely well, and they have fought
<v Speaker 3>their early eyebrow problems. They've got the eyebrows under control.
<v Speaker 2>I was really hoping that there'd be like a quarter
<v Speaker 2>operated horse on this one. But Sulu, there are really
<v Speaker 2>some great touching moments in this one. The dynamic between Rooster,
<v Speaker 2>who is Goose's son and Hangman, and the dynamic between
<v Speaker 2>Rooster and Maverick and the story of why they're at
<v Speaker 2>odds is great. It's well placed, it makes sense. Just
<v Speaker 2>great movie overall, guys. I super enjoyed it. So let
<v Speaker 2>me ask you this, Jason, Yes, tell me thoughts on
<v Speaker 2>the movie better or not as good as or as
<v Speaker 2>good as Top Gun the original?
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not thirteen anymore, so this didn't quite strike
<v Speaker 3>me like the original. But the things that it really
<v Speaker 3>does well are exceptional. So the aerial combat stuff is
<v Speaker 3>stuff you've never seen on screen before. Just the feeling
<v Speaker 3>of being inside of a jet, this I think does
<v Speaker 3>a good job with that, and the relationship part of it.
<v Speaker 3>It's really good. So it's a little less you know,
<v Speaker 3>Talpopp and fraternity boys stuff, but I still loved it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you think? This one's better movie to me?
<v Speaker 2>By by far?
<v Speaker 4>Wow?
<v Speaker 2>I mean I told you before Top Gun was a
<v Speaker 2>good movie to me, But I didn't love me away
<v Speaker 2>like it did most of the guys my age. This
<v Speaker 2>one is better at the storytelling part of things, which
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's great, That's what I want. But in
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, it's better on the aviation stuff too. It's
<v Speaker 2>the scissors flying, the dives, the g's that you're feeling
<v Speaker 2>with those guys. To me, it was much more, and
<v Speaker 2>it could be the fact that we were watching it
<v Speaker 2>an Imax theater, but it was intense along with great characters,
<v Speaker 2>great story, a history that they build without doing a
<v Speaker 2>lot of exposition. I mean, yeah, to me, Top Gun
<v Speaker 2>Maverick is a better movie than Top Gun.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I got another question for you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Top Gun Maverick, Yes, or The Batman.
<v Speaker 3>I still I like the Batman better. Yeah, I like
<v Speaker 3>the Batman better. But I did enjoy this When I
<v Speaker 3>think I told you just the idea of making a
<v Speaker 3>movie that pleases audiences makes me happy.
<v Speaker 2>It really does.
<v Speaker 3>This was directed at fans, and I am very thankful
<v Speaker 3>and I am fully in full appreciation mode from Tom
<v Speaker 3>Cruise and Jeff Kazinsky. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Joseic Kazinski, by the way, is about our age. I
<v Speaker 2>think he was born seventy five around our time, and
<v Speaker 2>so he grew up with this so like we did.
<v Speaker 2>And so this was you know, Tom Cruise. So this
<v Speaker 2>is a love letter to Aviation. To me, this is
<v Speaker 2>Josep Kazinski's love letter to top Gun.
<v Speaker 3>I agree with that with that. Hey, one thing I
<v Speaker 3>wanted to mention to UD, I thought they used the
<v Speaker 3>Lady Gaga song throughout the movie, just like Take My
<v Speaker 3>Breath Away. It was underlying, it had that piano key.
<v Speaker 3>It set the tone for the movie. And I come
<v Speaker 3>out the other side of the movie liking that song better.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't. I haven't listened to that song a
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch. But I did notice on the opening credits
<v Speaker 2>that they had Harold Fltmeyer, they had Lady Gaga, and
<v Speaker 2>they had Hans Zimmer all listed at the same time.
<v Speaker 2>So she's she's got equal billing with those guys. I
<v Speaker 2>can say. I noticed when Hans Zimmer's music came in
<v Speaker 2>and they put it in the perfect spot. But you
<v Speaker 2>had that intensity that only Hans Zimmer can do during
<v Speaker 2>those air maneuvers that they were doing. It was intense
<v Speaker 2>and awesome.
<v Speaker 3>One more thing, Yeah, Kenny Loggin's Danger Zone is played
<v Speaker 3>unmolested and in its original nineteen eighty six form. No
<v Speaker 3>added rap, no stupid crap. I'm jacked around with it. It's
<v Speaker 3>full blown danger zone. It was.
<v Speaker 2>When I heard it, I thought it was like maybe
<v Speaker 2>remastered or redone, but just intensified a little bit. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't think that it was exactly the same, but I
<v Speaker 2>thought that they didn't. They didn't mess with it. They
<v Speaker 2>did it and they were like, Okay, let's how we
<v Speaker 2>can tweak it and just make it a just a
<v Speaker 2>smidge better that and I think they delivered.
<v Speaker 3>Well, unless they brought in Toto or something like that.
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<v Speaker 2>We are excited to hear what others think of this
<v Speaker 2>amazing movie, and I strongly, strongly encourage you if you
<v Speaker 2>can see it in Imax.
<v Speaker 5>Do so.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely come back next week. We got Et versus The
<v Speaker 3>Thing versus Blade Runner.
<v Speaker 2>Holy smokes. These movies are forty years old, all released
<v Speaker 2>a couple of them on the same day, but all
<v Speaker 2>within a week of each other.
<v Speaker 3>For forty years ago, this June Ash Well