Road to the Horse Prep: Elisa Wallace Reveals her Secret to Staying relaxed under Pressure - Sponsored by StableFeed

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1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,070 Hey guys, so guess what? 2 00:00:02,310 --> 00:00:08,130 I'm back in Ocala and I'm gonna be at the World Equestrian Center all week this week 3 00:00:08,189 --> 00:00:10,110 for the League of Nations competition. 4 00:00:10,770 --> 00:00:13,860 We will be recording episodes on the ground with our friends at 5 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:16,950 Yeti, so please come by and say hi. 6 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:21,630 We'll be set up next to the international arena all week, and we'll be doing 7 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:26,880 some very special giveaways for our passionate NF plus members and our 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,980 avid Dear Horse world listeners. 9 00:00:29,730 --> 00:00:33,780 So keep an eye out on socials this week for a chance to win something big. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,290 But first, let's hear from Elisa. 11 00:00:39,330 --> 00:00:42,270 You don't always get to choose the perfect horse. 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,520 For most of us, the journey starts with the horse we can afford, and in many 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,100 ways, that's where we find the magic. 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,700 Today's guest knows that road well. 15 00:00:54,644 --> 00:00:58,245 Elisa Wallace is a five star event rider known for developing 16 00:00:58,245 --> 00:01:01,334 horses, many others, Passover. 17 00:01:02,565 --> 00:01:05,084 I call her the queen of the underdogs. 18 00:01:05,804 --> 00:01:08,865 Alongside competing at the top level of eventing. 19 00:01:09,225 --> 00:01:13,095 She'll be cutting her teeth with the best this week at the 20 00:01:13,095 --> 00:01:17,025 Road to the Horse Cold Starting Championship in Lexington, Kentucky. 21 00:01:17,835 --> 00:01:22,634 So for this episode, Elisa and I talked about a lowering the stakes 22 00:01:22,634 --> 00:01:24,525 mindset, training the horse. 23 00:01:24,525 --> 00:01:29,595 You have the wisdom of Mustangs and the importance of play. 24 00:01:30,285 --> 00:01:33,074 Catching her just before she drives to Kentucky. 25 00:01:33,495 --> 00:01:35,655 Here is Elisa Wallace. 26 00:01:36,645 --> 00:01:38,955 Dear Worst World, it's Elisa Wallace. 27 00:01:43,185 --> 00:01:43,755 Elisa, 28 00:01:44,055 --> 00:01:44,265 yeah. 29 00:01:44,384 --> 00:01:45,765 Welcome to the Big Arts World Podcast. 30 00:01:45,765 --> 00:01:46,815 Thanks for having me on. 31 00:01:46,935 --> 00:01:47,655 It's been a minute. 32 00:01:47,715 --> 00:01:48,615 I know, man. 33 00:01:49,125 --> 00:01:50,145 And I feel like. 34 00:01:51,149 --> 00:01:54,390 I'm super stoked that we got to connect 'cause I didn't get, I feel 35 00:01:54,390 --> 00:01:57,450 like we didn't get, our past didn't cross buzz in Ocala last year. 36 00:01:57,690 --> 00:01:57,840 Mm-hmm. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,600 And now there's a lot of buzz because you're gonna be 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:01,740 hitting to rope with the horse. 39 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:02,070 Mm-hmm. 40 00:02:02,729 --> 00:02:03,630 How do you feel about that? 41 00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:06,390 It's a bunch of, it's a bundle. 42 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:07,890 It's not just one emotion. 43 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:11,280 There's fear, anxiety and nerves. 44 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:12,990 Um, excitement. 45 00:02:13,079 --> 00:02:14,490 Um, yeah. 46 00:02:14,490 --> 00:02:18,329 So kind of all those things that, uh, encompass it. 47 00:02:18,329 --> 00:02:22,019 'cause it's my first time and, uh, I remember when Tick called 48 00:02:22,019 --> 00:02:25,110 me when he first went and I was like, yeah man, that's so cool. 49 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,060 And, um, so yeah. 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:27,450 Super. 51 00:02:28,230 --> 00:02:32,130 Is that that, is that the inception of the idea of going, was t going? 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,200 No, um, they have asked me, I think since 2020. 53 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:37,770 Yeah. 54 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:43,110 Um, and I always was like, it's, it's always during Carolina International, 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,690 so it always conflicted for me because I love Carolina International and, uh, 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,400 I had a lot of horses competing there. 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,800 And finally I was like, tick did it. 58 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,000 And I mean, tick's awesome. 59 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:55,890 And he did great, obviously. 60 00:02:56,190 --> 00:02:59,610 Um, and I was like, you know, I'm not getting any younger. 61 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:01,830 I need to check that box. 62 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:03,180 So I just said, screw it. 63 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:07,320 Uh, I can change my schedule around with the horses and which has actually 64 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,970 been working quite well in my favor. 65 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:12,960 Um, I have a pretty talented horse that's been coming up and actually 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,880 a full stable, full, full of 'em. 67 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,490 So, uh, yeah, it's been. 68 00:03:17,955 --> 00:03:22,155 Really exciting and I was, I felt like I made the right decision and yeah. 69 00:03:22,155 --> 00:03:25,425 You know, everything, for me, for me it always feels like everything happens for 70 00:03:25,695 --> 00:03:29,475 the right reason and the timing and you know, doors and windows and all kinds of 71 00:03:29,475 --> 00:03:31,454 things open and push you a certain way. 72 00:03:31,454 --> 00:03:31,785 So 73 00:03:31,815 --> 00:03:33,075 Did you feel like you got Yeah. 74 00:03:33,075 --> 00:03:34,095 Like do you feel like you got kind 75 00:03:34,095 --> 00:03:34,155 of 76 00:03:34,155 --> 00:03:34,995 like Oh, absolutely. 77 00:03:34,995 --> 00:03:37,425 It's, it's kind of how, like how I got into the Mustangs 78 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:39,704 and how I do different things. 79 00:03:39,704 --> 00:03:43,335 Sometimes it's just kinda like, ah, well yeah, that's on the list, you 80 00:03:43,335 --> 00:03:44,595 know, that's on the bucket list. 81 00:03:45,135 --> 00:03:45,405 Okay. 82 00:03:45,405 --> 00:03:47,775 So this is a perfect segue 'cause I wanna talk about that. 83 00:03:47,805 --> 00:03:50,865 Mm. And I wanna talk about how Mustangs crossover into eventing 84 00:03:50,865 --> 00:03:52,454 crossover to cult starting. 85 00:03:52,725 --> 00:03:52,905 Yeah. 86 00:03:53,175 --> 00:03:53,445 Right. 87 00:03:53,445 --> 00:03:55,095 Lots of intersections here. 88 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:55,160 Mm-hmm. 89 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,265 Because, but we, and we're gonna dive in a little bit and just so everyone's 90 00:04:00,165 --> 00:04:03,195 anticipating what we're gonna, how we're gonna format today's episode, 91 00:04:03,195 --> 00:04:04,845 we are gonna do a no stupid questions. 92 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:06,030 With 93 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:07,020 answer. 94 00:04:07,890 --> 00:04:08,700 Super excited. 95 00:04:08,700 --> 00:04:12,420 These are often questions asked, asked by the community 96 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:14,400 or by our NF plus membership. 97 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:16,740 It's a really fun way for us to kind of like bring the 98 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:18,600 community into great engagement. 99 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:18,930 Yeah, 100 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:19,420 yeah, yeah. 101 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:23,280 So before we pull from the jar, which will be really fun, why don't you 102 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,420 explain a little bit to everybody what, why this intersection that 103 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:32,430 you're about to embark on is so kind of unique and how it came to be. 104 00:04:33,180 --> 00:04:38,130 So you're an eventing rider who got into Mustangs and now you're 105 00:04:38,130 --> 00:04:42,480 going to the world championships of cult starting in Kentucky. 106 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:45,720 So like, I'd love for you to like kind of break that down for us. 107 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:51,300 So I guess the breakdown would be from me being born, uh, my 108 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:56,190 parents are highly responsible, uh, for my obsession with horses. 109 00:04:56,190 --> 00:04:59,070 So my dad's a horse trainer and he's an event rider as well. 110 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:04,620 And my mom rode when she was pregnant with me, so I was riding from. 111 00:05:05,055 --> 00:05:09,105 The beginning of time, and my dad had me on a horse before I could walk. 112 00:05:09,105 --> 00:05:11,835 He had me doing trot sets at two, so he didn't know any different. 113 00:05:12,344 --> 00:05:17,955 Um, and I remember I started my first horse when I was eight years old. 114 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:18,930 Really? 115 00:05:18,930 --> 00:05:18,940 Mm-hmm. 116 00:05:19,875 --> 00:05:20,205 Yeah. 117 00:05:20,205 --> 00:05:23,745 He, my, both my parents bred and raised thoroughbred, you 118 00:05:23,745 --> 00:05:25,664 know, event horses that we had. 119 00:05:25,664 --> 00:05:29,115 So the first, so I just kind of climbed on her in a stall and dad 120 00:05:29,115 --> 00:05:31,245 said, okay, well you trained that one. 121 00:05:31,485 --> 00:05:32,414 And, uh, so you 122 00:05:32,414 --> 00:05:33,075 were eight years 123 00:05:33,075 --> 00:05:33,465 old? 124 00:05:33,555 --> 00:05:34,125 Eight years old. 125 00:05:34,245 --> 00:05:34,965 Wow. 126 00:05:34,995 --> 00:05:35,085 Mm-hmm. 127 00:05:35,925 --> 00:05:37,815 Was the, the first one that I did. 128 00:05:37,844 --> 00:05:43,664 And, uh, through my career I had always kind of trained, difficult, 129 00:05:43,815 --> 00:05:47,265 misunderstood, you know, loved the off the track, their breads. 130 00:05:47,325 --> 00:05:52,725 Um, and then that kind of, and I mean, that's how I built up who I was 131 00:05:52,725 --> 00:05:54,585 and how I learned about horses and. 132 00:05:54,975 --> 00:05:59,535 Their behaviors and stuff like that and helped them gain confidence. 133 00:05:59,535 --> 00:06:04,425 And then that kind of, I had a year where, um, my upper level horses were 134 00:06:04,425 --> 00:06:09,495 injured and, uh, I had a good friend of mine that had done some mustangs 135 00:06:09,495 --> 00:06:10,755 and it was really fun to follow. 136 00:06:10,755 --> 00:06:15,705 And she was like, um, hey, I just signed you up for a Mustang competition. 137 00:06:15,765 --> 00:06:16,725 And it was during the summer. 138 00:06:16,725 --> 00:06:18,705 And I was like, well, I mean, cool. 139 00:06:18,825 --> 00:06:22,635 I just have a young horse, so why not I, it'll help me as a trainer. 140 00:06:22,755 --> 00:06:22,845 Mm-hmm. 141 00:06:23,085 --> 00:06:26,805 You know, to, to show if I can train a Mustang, I can train your horse, you know? 142 00:06:26,805 --> 00:06:30,255 So, um, that's where I got fledged my first Mustang. 143 00:06:30,855 --> 00:06:36,090 And you know, at first I was like, I. What am I gonna, I'm not gonna 144 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:39,930 keep a Mustang, I'm not gonna keep a little 13 three hand Mustang. 145 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:43,170 Like, what am I gonna, oh my gosh, that horse has done so much for me. 146 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:43,980 It's crazy. 147 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,170 I've done, we've done everything from being on a movie set to, he helped me 148 00:06:49,170 --> 00:06:51,540 get my first sponsor, which was Eco Gold. 149 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:55,440 Uh, which is really funny 'cause I rode bareback and they're a saddle pi company. 150 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:58,800 Um, but, you know, it just kinda made me a little bit different. 151 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,980 And then I got really addicted to training the Mustangs and the kind 152 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:06,210 of the plight of the Mustangs. 153 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:08,250 They're, they're not worthless. 154 00:07:08,250 --> 00:07:12,300 They're, they're very useful and they're worth type of horses and 155 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:15,540 they're really, they're kind of very similar to thoroughbreds. 156 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:19,260 And they can be misunderstood, they can be stereotyped. 157 00:07:19,770 --> 00:07:24,360 Um, but once you get their trust, they have huge hearts. 158 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:26,130 They'll do anything for you. 159 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:29,430 And it's that magic that you get really kind of a addicted to. 160 00:07:30,030 --> 00:07:30,900 And, uh. 161 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:35,520 I'm gonna try not to get emotional about it, but that was kind of like the 162 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:42,300 first, and I think I've done almost 30 mustangs now, so I try to bridge the gap 163 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:44,190 from people who can't take wild ones. 164 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:48,599 So we get them and we train them and then, you know, find good homes for them. 165 00:07:48,599 --> 00:07:54,360 And I have some doing dressage, um, they'll do low level of venting. 166 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,479 I've got one that was like, where it went to a woman in Michigan 167 00:07:57,479 --> 00:07:59,729 who helped with herding her goats. 168 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:02,700 You know, they, they can do so many different things. 169 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:03,360 He was really good. 170 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,409 He loved tracking cows. 171 00:08:04,409 --> 00:08:05,730 That was like his favorite thing to do. 172 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:14,130 Um, so that just was a really good way to keep me grounded because, you know, when 173 00:08:14,130 --> 00:08:17,789 you're trying to push, not push, but like when you're trying to like get to the 174 00:08:17,789 --> 00:08:23,039 upper levels, it can be really the focus is just the tunnel is very tight type. 175 00:08:23,099 --> 00:08:28,950 And the Mustangs always remind me, Hey, you can't be in a hurry. 176 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:30,000 Hey, you know. 177 00:08:31,155 --> 00:08:34,635 All the foundational stuff of being with horses and being 178 00:08:34,635 --> 00:08:36,135 in the moment type of stuff. 179 00:08:36,255 --> 00:08:42,194 So it's, it's, it's always been a bit to juggle, but, um, I've 180 00:08:42,194 --> 00:08:45,735 always really enjoyed it and I just, I love, I love them a lot. 181 00:08:46,755 --> 00:08:50,085 I love that you talk about the, like the narrowness, because I was 182 00:08:50,085 --> 00:08:56,175 literally just writing yesterday about this idea of wide horse intelligence 183 00:08:56,175 --> 00:08:57,435 and narrow horse intelligence. 184 00:08:57,435 --> 00:09:00,525 The idea that when we focus from a high performance point 185 00:09:00,525 --> 00:09:01,965 of view, we get really zero. 186 00:09:01,965 --> 00:09:02,025 You 187 00:09:02,025 --> 00:09:02,835 have to be 188 00:09:02,865 --> 00:09:03,225 right. 189 00:09:03,285 --> 00:09:06,975 You absolutely have to have that, and your horses have to have that focus. 190 00:09:06,975 --> 00:09:11,025 Lord knows I just rode one of my baby horses and his focus was literally 191 00:09:11,295 --> 00:09:11,595 right 192 00:09:11,625 --> 00:09:12,255 this wide. 193 00:09:12,255 --> 00:09:16,155 And I'm like, buddy, I just need in between your ears right now. 194 00:09:16,635 --> 00:09:23,085 Um, but yeah, it can, again, it's always just kind of, it's funny to think of. 195 00:09:23,655 --> 00:09:28,005 The first time I went to Kentucky for my five star, the year 196 00:09:28,005 --> 00:09:31,905 before, I had been able to go and do the demos with my Mustangs. 197 00:09:32,234 --> 00:09:35,775 So I lied to my, you have to lie to yourself to stay relaxed. 198 00:09:35,775 --> 00:09:40,964 I mean, you just have to, so the trick for me was that I'm 199 00:09:40,964 --> 00:09:42,555 just going to go do a demo. 200 00:09:42,675 --> 00:09:44,204 This is no different than a demo. 201 00:09:44,204 --> 00:09:45,015 Oh, I love that. 202 00:09:45,045 --> 00:09:46,635 So, so it helped me stay. 203 00:09:46,635 --> 00:09:50,444 And then there were times where my dad would be like, wow, you are at Kentucky. 204 00:09:50,444 --> 00:09:53,805 I'm like, sh Dad, stop it right now. 205 00:09:53,805 --> 00:09:54,645 Stop that talk. 206 00:09:54,645 --> 00:09:55,155 No, I'm not. 207 00:09:55,155 --> 00:09:57,015 I'm just here playing with my mustangs. 208 00:09:57,435 --> 00:09:58,484 Just gonna do a demo. 209 00:09:58,484 --> 00:10:00,194 I'm just galloping my black horse around. 210 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:01,275 It's no big deal. 211 00:10:01,425 --> 00:10:03,525 But that's how I was able to stay relaxed. 212 00:10:03,525 --> 00:10:03,675 Yeah. 213 00:10:03,915 --> 00:10:06,765 Because I can keep it into that type of thing. 214 00:10:06,765 --> 00:10:08,234 So that's kind of like the mindset. 215 00:10:08,234 --> 00:10:09,615 And again, that goes back to fledge. 216 00:10:09,615 --> 00:10:12,015 Like fledge is always a bit, he's my dude. 217 00:10:12,045 --> 00:10:14,115 Like he helps me so much. 218 00:10:14,145 --> 00:10:14,535 So, 219 00:10:15,045 --> 00:10:17,895 so why don't you explain to everyone, can you give everyone, and. 220 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:21,120 I can tell, I can tell how much he means to you. 221 00:10:21,239 --> 00:10:21,300 Yeah. 222 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:23,160 Like, it's as palpable. 223 00:10:23,849 --> 00:10:25,770 I'm like, I'm not gonna cry in this one. 224 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:27,870 Um, but why? 225 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:28,109 Okay. 226 00:10:28,109 --> 00:10:35,219 So can you access that place of why he like, look how much you, you love him? 227 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,410 I know, I dunno. 228 00:10:39,510 --> 00:10:43,140 See, I said I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna cry, but I'm crying. 229 00:10:43,469 --> 00:10:48,839 Um, it's hard to, anyone who's trained a Mustang will understand 230 00:10:49,439 --> 00:10:51,780 anyone who's had a difficult horse. 231 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:53,040 'cause I cry about Johnny. 232 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:54,900 Um, simply priceless all the time. 233 00:10:54,900 --> 00:11:02,520 Or it's the, um, the partnership that you create with your horses. 234 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:10,589 Um, that, I dunno, like they don't have to, you know, they don't have to. 235 00:11:10,949 --> 00:11:18,510 Like, I just think of, I. We, we were on set for the Ozark. 236 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:24,329 They needed a horse to lay down because in, in the Ozark show 237 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:28,740 show the bad guys were, they had thoroughbreds that they were, you 238 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:30,240 know, trying to launder money through. 239 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,400 So they, uh, had a stallion that they were going to geld, but the horse had to lay 240 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,730 down in this one speci, uh, specific spot. 241 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,319 And, um, you know, at first when my friend called me up and she's like, 242 00:11:43,319 --> 00:11:44,760 do you have anybody that can lay down? 243 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,530 And I was like, I mean, fledge. 244 00:11:46,530 --> 00:11:47,819 And she's like, well, he's fat. 245 00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:53,850 Like he's not because he's, I mean, he, he's a very, and the movie set 246 00:11:53,850 --> 00:11:55,770 people called him Chub, the chubby one. 247 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:56,189 Oh. 248 00:11:56,220 --> 00:12:01,170 Um, but you know, it was, and you can't use any ropes or anything 249 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:03,480 'cause of movie or what have you. 250 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:10,020 So you got, I got five tries and I, I remember on the fifth try, I got 'em to 251 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:11,285 lay down on the spot that they needed. 252 00:12:11,595 --> 00:12:11,885 Cool. 253 00:12:12,765 --> 00:12:16,905 And I was able to get him just to lay, 'cause he could lay on his 254 00:12:16,905 --> 00:12:20,084 side and then I could bring him to Sternum where he's up on his belly. 255 00:12:20,145 --> 00:12:23,324 And then he was relaxed and fine 'cause I was able to stay next to him. 256 00:12:23,324 --> 00:12:26,834 And then we, he was able to stay that way for about 20 minutes. 257 00:12:26,864 --> 00:12:27,165 Cool. 258 00:12:27,344 --> 00:12:29,564 Um, with all the, 259 00:12:29,685 --> 00:12:30,405 I was gonna say that 260 00:12:30,405 --> 00:12:30,824 they would come 261 00:12:31,214 --> 00:12:31,545 Impressive. 262 00:12:31,844 --> 00:12:32,175 Yeah. 263 00:12:32,175 --> 00:12:35,474 They would come with like the big movie things and sliding it and the 264 00:12:35,474 --> 00:12:39,344 actors walking past us while he's laying down and like, actor with a gun, 265 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:41,145 like pointing right above his head. 266 00:12:41,145 --> 00:12:46,155 And um, you know, again, like just that trust that he, and he was 267 00:12:46,155 --> 00:12:47,984 totally like, yeah mom, this is cool. 268 00:12:48,045 --> 00:12:51,015 And so it was really cool that I can say, well that's my 269 00:12:51,015 --> 00:12:53,354 horse, like in that one shot. 270 00:12:53,354 --> 00:12:57,344 And, um, they used him for a lot of, they'd be like, grab the chubby 271 00:12:57,344 --> 00:12:59,954 one because he does love food. 272 00:13:00,015 --> 00:13:02,354 He is, he does love positive reinforcement. 273 00:13:02,775 --> 00:13:03,405 Um. 274 00:13:04,215 --> 00:13:07,095 But yeah, just like think back to all the things and then 275 00:13:07,095 --> 00:13:09,225 like how he's just helped me. 276 00:13:09,825 --> 00:13:12,615 Um, do you feel like when you think of fledge, you think of 277 00:13:12,615 --> 00:13:14,595 all the changes in yourself? 278 00:13:15,075 --> 00:13:15,135 Yeah. 279 00:13:15,135 --> 00:13:16,965 Like does he represent an evolution 280 00:13:17,085 --> 00:13:18,795 within Oh, for sure. 281 00:13:18,795 --> 00:13:19,725 Oh, for sure, for sure. 282 00:13:19,815 --> 00:13:26,535 Um, he, he's probably, him and Johnny are one of the most, like, so smart. 283 00:13:26,865 --> 00:13:29,355 They're so sensitive and they're so intelligent. 284 00:13:29,805 --> 00:13:36,165 Um, you know, that you could teach them something and they're also, if 285 00:13:36,165 --> 00:13:40,395 you're not careful, you'd be like, oh, he's a tough or difficult horse. 286 00:13:40,395 --> 00:13:42,525 But it's because they try so hard. 287 00:13:42,585 --> 00:13:46,695 So you have to be really careful in how you manage their emotions and 288 00:13:47,115 --> 00:13:48,795 try to direct them in the right way. 289 00:13:49,185 --> 00:13:54,645 Um, so, but they would, they would try anything for you, you know. 290 00:13:54,645 --> 00:13:56,805 That's kind of like the biggest, the biggest thing. 291 00:13:56,865 --> 00:14:02,025 And they, it gets emotional sometimes, but they're, they're my good boys. 292 00:14:03,599 --> 00:14:08,189 I've heard people explain Mustangs as just different to other horses. 293 00:14:08,189 --> 00:14:08,280 Mm-hmm. 294 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,890 That there's something almost intangibly different to their nature or the way 295 00:14:13,890 --> 00:14:17,459 they move through the world way, the way they interact in a training experience 296 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:17,579 mm-hmm. 297 00:14:17,819 --> 00:14:18,569 With a human. 298 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:21,270 Can you, like, can you explain that a little bit? 299 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,400 'cause for a lot of people who are listening to the podcast 300 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,645 or watching the podcast mm-hmm. 301 00:14:24,724 --> 00:14:27,060 They may or may not, they may know of Mustangs, they may 302 00:14:27,060 --> 00:14:28,410 know the plight of the Mustang 303 00:14:28,415 --> 00:14:28,525 mm-hmm. 304 00:14:28,665 --> 00:14:33,480 But they might not know what, how Mustang is different to let's say, 305 00:14:33,719 --> 00:14:35,579 an imported Dutch warm blood or 306 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:36,060 Sure. 307 00:14:36,060 --> 00:14:37,140 An off the track thoroughbred. 308 00:14:38,130 --> 00:14:40,199 Um, well, of course you can have a range. 309 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:40,740 Yeah. 310 00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:45,990 You know, I've had one's, uh, pro my toughest, which is he 311 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:47,640 has the most fans a figure. 312 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:48,900 It's Eton and the Mustang. 313 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:49,050 Mm-hmm. 314 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:57,540 Um, that horse was so sensitive that if you're standing in the pen and if you're 315 00:14:57,569 --> 00:15:00,360 like knee kept flinched there, he went, 316 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:00,870 wow. 317 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:02,459 So like the. 318 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,760 The sensitivity to energy and feelings, which fled is also very 319 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,800 good at, um, is very palpable. 320 00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:17,490 Like you have to be in a lot of control of yourself. 321 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:23,280 Um, versus where Roone is very gregarious. 322 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:26,819 Uh, I was able to get on 'em the first 45 minutes of being wild. 323 00:15:26,819 --> 00:15:29,640 Like they, there's literally even then there's some horses that 324 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,420 huge spectrum. 325 00:15:30,449 --> 00:15:33,060 Yes, there's, and there's some that you can't even get in the pen with 326 00:15:33,060 --> 00:15:34,260 because it's too much pressure. 327 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:35,250 Um, 328 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:35,550 wow. 329 00:15:35,579 --> 00:15:39,130 So, and then I've even had mustangs before that, and, and. 330 00:15:40,245 --> 00:15:43,215 A lot of them come from different, it's always fun to talk to people about 331 00:15:43,215 --> 00:15:46,575 which who loves which herds and 'cause there are certain characteristics 332 00:15:46,575 --> 00:15:48,315 that are the same from the herds. 333 00:15:48,825 --> 00:15:49,365 Um, 334 00:15:49,755 --> 00:15:51,765 and when you say herds, you mean the herds of Mustangs, 335 00:15:51,795 --> 00:15:55,455 which is the HMA, which is the herd management areas, which is the BLM, 336 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,255 which is the Bureau of Land Management. 337 00:15:57,705 --> 00:16:01,635 Um, so yeah, there are kind of di different designated areas that 338 00:16:01,635 --> 00:16:05,355 they've cord, like they say this herd, which is like Green Mountain 339 00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:07,875 is where Eton and Wyeth are from. 340 00:16:08,325 --> 00:16:10,420 Um, and it and 341 00:16:10,605 --> 00:16:12,105 what's characteristic of that herd? 342 00:16:13,395 --> 00:16:14,295 Very athletic. 343 00:16:14,355 --> 00:16:18,645 Uh, there's actually like three like different variable kinds 344 00:16:18,645 --> 00:16:19,875 that you can have from that herd. 345 00:16:20,595 --> 00:16:21,345 Very easy. 346 00:16:21,435 --> 00:16:21,525 Mm-hmm. 347 00:16:22,245 --> 00:16:24,015 Kind of middle of the road and very difficult. 348 00:16:24,045 --> 00:16:26,145 And the two that I got were kind of difficult. 349 00:16:26,175 --> 00:16:26,355 Okay. 350 00:16:27,285 --> 00:16:33,885 Um, but they can, again, like you just have the spectrum and. 351 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,950 When you're dealing with a wild one, the hardest part is to 352 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:42,960 convince them that they're okay, which horses go through trauma. 353 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,410 I mean, there's a lot of traumas and it's just like the people trying to convince 354 00:16:46,410 --> 00:16:52,500 a person that it's not trauma anymore and that it's a safe space is like the 355 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:54,600 sometimes the hardest thing to convey. 356 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,840 And then, uh, I call it like melting. 357 00:16:57,870 --> 00:17:04,140 When you have a horse that goes like that, feeling like I'm okay then. 358 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,470 Then that's such a good feeling that you have. 359 00:17:07,710 --> 00:17:11,849 You know what's funny is that I could often, on the podcast, I could feel, it's 360 00:17:11,849 --> 00:17:13,380 interesting you use the term melting. 361 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:13,500 Mm-hmm. 362 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:17,490 Because people do the same thing and you can usually feel in the podcast 363 00:17:17,490 --> 00:17:18,720 when a person's finally going like. 364 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:20,099 Oh 365 00:17:20,159 --> 00:17:20,459 yeah, 366 00:17:20,609 --> 00:17:21,000 exactly. 367 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:21,540 It's okay. 368 00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:22,050 Everything's okay. 369 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:22,979 We're just talking. 370 00:17:22,979 --> 00:17:23,159 Yeah. 371 00:17:23,159 --> 00:17:23,669 You know what I mean? 372 00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:25,079 And sometimes it happens right away. 373 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:25,290 Mm-hmm. 374 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:26,490 Sometimes it takes a little bit. 375 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,129 That's where I feel like they are really a mirror of us, is 376 00:17:29,129 --> 00:17:32,250 we're all just like absolutely searching for our sense of safety. 377 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:32,370 Mm-hmm. 378 00:17:33,149 --> 00:17:35,939 So when you talked about one of your mustangs, who could 379 00:17:35,939 --> 00:17:38,280 literally hear like your knee pop? 380 00:17:38,399 --> 00:17:42,240 Well, he could just, the movement because we have energy. 381 00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:43,364 Like, yeah. 382 00:17:43,544 --> 00:17:44,655 Energy in your hand. 383 00:17:44,925 --> 00:17:49,514 So again, it's like some mustangs can handle touch right away. 384 00:17:49,814 --> 00:17:55,304 Some, so you can get one to calm down from touch, where if you control your 385 00:17:55,304 --> 00:17:57,104 breathing and you can, they'll, oh, sorry. 386 00:17:57,524 --> 00:17:58,919 Uh, whoops. 387 00:17:58,919 --> 00:18:01,514 So there's a, uh, they can mirror you. 388 00:18:01,514 --> 00:18:03,074 You get them to mirror you. 389 00:18:03,284 --> 00:18:03,794 Right. 390 00:18:03,794 --> 00:18:07,125 So you can that, so fledge was very good at mirroring me, which he 391 00:18:07,125 --> 00:18:08,445 was a stallion when I got him too. 392 00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:09,254 It's funny. 393 00:18:09,705 --> 00:18:14,715 Um, but then sometimes that energy, your heartbeat, that electric 394 00:18:14,864 --> 00:18:18,854 is too much and you have to use something like a stick or, you know, 395 00:18:18,854 --> 00:18:20,475 a lunge whip or something benign. 396 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:20,564 Mm-hmm. 397 00:18:21,195 --> 00:18:27,524 And then you can gradually correlate it to, with rhythm and repetition 398 00:18:27,735 --> 00:18:32,504 and release that they start to then understand that it's okay. 399 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,780 So what's the, can you describe to us what the feeling before we dive? 400 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:39,689 And I do wanna dive into the jar, but like what you're tapping into is just 401 00:18:39,689 --> 00:18:45,389 really interesting to me because I feel like mustangs must bring a whole other 402 00:18:45,389 --> 00:18:46,770 different level of self-awareness. 403 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:48,120 And you talked about control. 404 00:18:48,149 --> 00:18:48,240 Mm-hmm. 405 00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:53,490 But I also, but it can't be, but we all know horses, they can determine 406 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:55,050 congruency and incongruency. 407 00:18:55,054 --> 00:18:55,165 Mm-hmm. 408 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:58,020 So sometimes I wonder whether that word is almost misleading. 409 00:18:58,020 --> 00:18:58,110 Mm-hmm. 410 00:18:58,350 --> 00:19:00,810 Because it's not like you're controlling your emotions, 411 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,169 because if you're controlling then there's something like, to me 412 00:19:04,169 --> 00:19:04,980 you feel tension. 413 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:05,460 Yeah. 414 00:19:05,460 --> 00:19:08,189 Like I think of, when I think of controlling, I think of. 415 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:11,370 Within you would be like almost subdued. 416 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:12,005 Do you know what I mean? 417 00:19:12,005 --> 00:19:12,365 Mm-hmm. 418 00:19:12,445 --> 00:19:15,390 Whereas I wonder whether that would be incongruent, but congruency must 419 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:16,925 mean that you must, from a sense, 420 00:19:16,925 --> 00:19:17,125 you 421 00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:18,300 have to control your heart rate. 422 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:18,720 Sure. 423 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,870 So it's so very per a parallel for me is controlling my heart rate going 424 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:26,430 into the Starbucks of a five star. 425 00:19:26,550 --> 00:19:26,970 Cool. 426 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,940 To getting into a round pin with a fresh, wild one. 427 00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:30,420 Cool. 428 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Uh, especially if it's, if they're defensive or what have you. 429 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,600 Like, it's literally the same feelings that I have and I'm 430 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,160 like, why am I doing this? 431 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:38,490 I again. 432 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:38,820 Yeah. 433 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:39,810 And how do you do that? 434 00:19:39,810 --> 00:19:42,300 Because that is inherently, is a high adrenaline. 435 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:47,370 Your biology is gonna tell you that that's a high adrenaline moment in which all of 436 00:19:47,370 --> 00:19:49,890 your facets are going to like to elevate. 437 00:19:49,950 --> 00:19:50,220 Mm-hmm. 438 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,000 So generally, like you'll see on my helmet cams, I always like try to take 439 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,070 deep breaths or I talk to them, which is a good way for me to keep myself relaxed. 440 00:19:59,460 --> 00:20:04,680 And oftentimes with the Mustangs, um, you can find that it's, it's really 441 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,750 interesting 'cause if you move slow. 442 00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:08,865 How does a predator stock 443 00:20:09,465 --> 00:20:10,035 slowly 444 00:20:10,035 --> 00:20:10,545 slow? 445 00:20:11,175 --> 00:20:14,775 If you create rhythm, it's way different. 446 00:20:14,955 --> 00:20:17,715 So it's funny because in the beginning this can cause a lot. 447 00:20:17,715 --> 00:20:19,545 They'll run, they're like pressure, pressure, pressure. 448 00:20:19,575 --> 00:20:19,635 Yeah. 449 00:20:19,635 --> 00:20:22,275 But I like, I have a sensitive one right now where if I catch 450 00:20:22,275 --> 00:20:23,685 myself, I'm like moving slow. 451 00:20:23,715 --> 00:20:25,995 'cause he is worried and I'm like, oh wait, I'm a predator. 452 00:20:26,205 --> 00:20:30,135 And then I just, and this, this keeps me relaxed in the moment, right? 453 00:20:30,135 --> 00:20:30,705 Because it's moved in. 454 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:33,465 It's like the concept of predatory pre pressure versus 455 00:20:33,555 --> 00:20:33,705 mm-hmm. 456 00:20:34,245 --> 00:20:34,605 Non 457 00:20:34,605 --> 00:20:35,595 and like horses. 458 00:20:36,375 --> 00:20:39,195 It's always interesting about pressure because that's kind of a 459 00:20:39,225 --> 00:20:41,745 highly big topic nowadays, right? 460 00:20:42,135 --> 00:20:42,225 Yes. 461 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:48,315 And I like positive reinforcement, but I also believe in horses understand 462 00:20:48,315 --> 00:20:49,425 communication through pressure. 463 00:20:49,425 --> 00:20:55,035 And I. This was three years ago with the first baby fo that I had with 464 00:20:55,035 --> 00:20:56,565 my off the track through Bread Mare. 465 00:20:56,925 --> 00:20:58,635 And he was a day old. 466 00:20:59,025 --> 00:21:00,495 Gallop been next to the mom. 467 00:21:00,495 --> 00:21:01,905 Oh look, it's so pretty. 468 00:21:01,905 --> 00:21:02,595 It's so cute. 469 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:03,375 Oh, bam. 470 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:04,455 She like nailed him. 471 00:21:04,515 --> 00:21:04,725 Yeah. 472 00:21:05,085 --> 00:21:06,405 I mean day old baby. 473 00:21:06,435 --> 00:21:07,965 And it wasn't like a love tap. 474 00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,315 Hey buddy, you're too close. 475 00:21:09,315 --> 00:21:09,975 It was a 476 00:21:10,425 --> 00:21:11,445 You're too close. 477 00:21:11,445 --> 00:21:12,645 You're at my hind legs. 478 00:21:12,645 --> 00:21:13,755 Get up to my shoulder. 479 00:21:13,995 --> 00:21:14,355 Whoa. 480 00:21:14,415 --> 00:21:17,595 That Colt didn't know anything and, but he sure as heck knew 481 00:21:17,595 --> 00:21:19,005 not to be by mama's feet. 482 00:21:19,005 --> 00:21:19,965 And I was like, okay. 483 00:21:20,475 --> 00:21:22,275 That is how they learn. 484 00:21:22,305 --> 00:21:22,515 Mm-hmm. 485 00:21:22,785 --> 00:21:23,955 Pressure and communication. 486 00:21:23,955 --> 00:21:29,355 So when, as people, as humans, we get in with horses, we're not 487 00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:32,565 gonna speak horse, but we're, it's like when you get in a room with 488 00:21:32,565 --> 00:21:35,685 a person, with a foreign language, you try to find a foreign ground. 489 00:21:35,835 --> 00:21:36,165 Yeah. 490 00:21:36,165 --> 00:21:37,005 Not a foreign ground. 491 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:37,905 Common ground. 492 00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:37,935 A common ground. 493 00:21:38,355 --> 00:21:40,125 And then try to build upon that. 494 00:21:40,185 --> 00:21:40,395 Yes. 495 00:21:40,455 --> 00:21:42,585 And so I always think of it as like. 496 00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:47,700 I, I'm creating ABCs and then words, and then sentences, and 497 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:51,300 then paragraphs, and that's kind of how like the communication grows. 498 00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:54,090 Well, and I think that's what also delineates between great 499 00:21:54,090 --> 00:21:57,370 trainers and maybe Okay trainers. 500 00:21:57,370 --> 00:21:57,595 Mm-hmm. 501 00:21:57,990 --> 00:22:01,680 Is I think after having so many conversations with different people 502 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:07,170 who not just take cult starting or starting horses very seriously, 503 00:22:07,170 --> 00:22:08,370 but they're very good at it. 504 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:08,520 Mm-hmm. 505 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:12,540 The thing, I think one of the things that differentiates good from Okay 506 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:18,660 is that ability to break it down, not just granular, like, not just like on 507 00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:22,785 a single, like on a simple level to break it down, but on a granular level. 508 00:22:22,785 --> 00:22:23,105 Mm-hmm. 509 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:26,070 Like how you can break down, um. 510 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:30,270 And you must have to do it with Mustangs because if you can't touch a horse, 511 00:22:30,420 --> 00:22:32,550 then you have to just work your way to 512 00:22:32,555 --> 00:22:32,725 mm-hmm. 513 00:22:32,805 --> 00:22:33,285 Contact 514 00:22:33,545 --> 00:22:37,050 and, and again, like, just like people, just like little kids in kindergarten, 515 00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:40,050 there are some that can learn really quickly that like figure it out 516 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:43,710 really fast and they're almost better instead of if you hold them back. 517 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:44,010 Right. 518 00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:47,670 And then they're kind of like, some bad behaviors come out because they're 519 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:50,130 bored and you're not helping them go. 520 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:53,340 But then you have other ones that if you were to put the same thing you 521 00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:57,420 put on that kid onto that kid that they're like, this is way too fast. 522 00:22:57,420 --> 00:23:02,190 I do not like, I, like I had to skip over algebra, like, 'cause I 523 00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:05,400 learned on a computer, I had to go back and relearn like, you gotta. 524 00:23:06,285 --> 00:23:09,060 You know, there are some things you have to go slow and, and 525 00:23:09,135 --> 00:23:10,845 each horse is an individual. 526 00:23:11,145 --> 00:23:11,865 I love that. 527 00:23:11,865 --> 00:23:15,254 And I, it's like, to me, I always think of solution seeking behavior. 528 00:23:15,315 --> 00:23:15,405 Mm-hmm. 529 00:23:15,645 --> 00:23:17,805 Some horses have it really, really strongly. 530 00:23:17,985 --> 00:23:18,195 Mm-hmm. 531 00:23:18,465 --> 00:23:20,295 Like kids, like they're just interested, they're curious. 532 00:23:20,295 --> 00:23:20,595 Right. 533 00:23:20,745 --> 00:23:22,274 They're like hunting for the answer. 534 00:23:22,305 --> 00:23:22,395 Mm-hmm. 535 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:25,905 And then other horses are not just like, other children are not as much. 536 00:23:25,935 --> 00:23:26,325 Exactly. 537 00:23:26,325 --> 00:23:27,975 That doesn't reflect their intelligence there. 538 00:23:27,975 --> 00:23:28,514 Correct. 539 00:23:28,785 --> 00:23:29,925 That's like their temperament. 540 00:23:29,955 --> 00:23:30,045 Mm-hmm. 541 00:23:30,915 --> 00:23:31,155 Yeah. 542 00:23:31,155 --> 00:23:33,555 And you've got some kids that are like, just put me to work. 543 00:23:33,555 --> 00:23:37,875 And other ones are like, I wanna play Nintendo games and like, I wanna 544 00:23:37,965 --> 00:23:40,395 go over here and eat some popcorn. 545 00:23:40,455 --> 00:23:43,785 You guys can, you know, they're, they're all, it's very, very similar. 546 00:23:43,845 --> 00:23:46,754 I mean, training horses, it's very similar to training toddlers. 547 00:23:46,905 --> 00:23:47,145 Yeah. 548 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,385 I mean, I don't have a lot of kids, but I mean, 549 00:23:50,445 --> 00:23:50,745 yeah. 550 00:23:50,805 --> 00:23:52,635 There's definitely that correlation there. 551 00:23:53,565 --> 00:23:53,895 Okay. 552 00:23:53,985 --> 00:23:55,065 Let's open the jar. 553 00:23:55,155 --> 00:23:55,575 Okie doke. 554 00:23:55,785 --> 00:23:59,355 Maybe I feel like, well, I'll do the first one and then we'll go back and forth. 555 00:23:59,445 --> 00:23:59,565 Okay. 556 00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:02,565 I'm very excited to see some of these questions because sometimes 557 00:24:02,565 --> 00:24:05,715 I. Like they're, they're ones I haven't even thought of. 558 00:24:05,775 --> 00:24:05,955 Mm-hmm. 559 00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:06,645 Okay. 560 00:24:07,215 --> 00:24:08,025 First question, 561 00:24:10,425 --> 00:24:14,505 have you had moments where a horse, others overlooked, suddenly 562 00:24:14,505 --> 00:24:16,815 revealed what it was capable of? 563 00:24:17,355 --> 00:24:17,775 Oh, absolutely. 564 00:24:17,775 --> 00:24:19,725 And what made the difference? 565 00:24:21,255 --> 00:24:22,455 So, yes, absolutely. 566 00:24:22,455 --> 00:24:25,575 I have that happen lots of times with a lot of my horses. 567 00:24:25,875 --> 00:24:27,255 Uh, the difference is time. 568 00:24:27,825 --> 00:24:30,885 If you're willing to take the time, you're willing to take the time to listen. 569 00:24:31,545 --> 00:24:37,515 What's, what is the common problem with a lot of the horses is bad behavior, or 570 00:24:37,665 --> 00:24:40,095 it's typically some type of communication. 571 00:24:40,485 --> 00:24:42,495 They don't feel good, they're thin. 572 00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:45,765 Like, or you may overlook a horse for a certain confirmation 573 00:24:45,765 --> 00:24:46,785 or something like that. 574 00:24:46,785 --> 00:24:50,055 But I just go based off of gut, typically. 575 00:24:50,085 --> 00:24:52,755 Mm. Like for a lot of the horses and stuff that I pick. 576 00:24:54,345 --> 00:24:57,615 People are like, why did you pick, why do you, how do you pick your mustangs? 577 00:24:57,615 --> 00:25:01,005 I'm like, well, you know, you have a certain form of ingredients that you want. 578 00:25:01,005 --> 00:25:03,075 You want like a longer neck, you want straight legs. 579 00:25:03,075 --> 00:25:04,725 But you know, they kind of go off of gut. 580 00:25:04,785 --> 00:25:06,945 Like, sometimes that gets me in trouble. 581 00:25:06,945 --> 00:25:07,875 Sometimes it doesn't. 582 00:25:07,875 --> 00:25:08,325 Who knows? 583 00:25:08,655 --> 00:25:15,705 Um, but yeah, I feel like, I don't know, things can, can be overlooked sometimes. 584 00:25:15,705 --> 00:25:21,075 Like say for instance, young horses that make certain little mistakes, that people 585 00:25:21,075 --> 00:25:23,625 want them to be perfect all the time. 586 00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:24,525 It's a young horse. 587 00:25:24,525 --> 00:25:25,425 It's learning. 588 00:25:25,575 --> 00:25:29,295 And you just sometimes have to be patient and like, no. 589 00:25:29,775 --> 00:25:35,985 Um, and some horses are, it's easier to see than in others, but 590 00:25:35,985 --> 00:25:40,995 I always like to find the underdogs or, you know, the dark horse or 591 00:25:41,385 --> 00:25:46,365 can you gimme a story of an underdog, um, that everyone was like, no, Elisa, like 592 00:25:46,365 --> 00:25:48,615 that horse was not going to do anything. 593 00:25:48,615 --> 00:25:49,935 And then everyone got proven wrong. 594 00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:50,429 Um, 595 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,129 I don't know. 596 00:25:53,129 --> 00:25:56,580 I feel like a lot of mine are a bit that way sometimes. 597 00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:56,939 Do you draw 598 00:25:56,939 --> 00:25:57,149 them? 599 00:25:57,149 --> 00:25:57,689 Do you track 600 00:25:57,689 --> 00:25:57,780 them? 601 00:25:57,780 --> 00:25:59,669 I, I feel like, yeah, I feel like 602 00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:01,050 you're queen of the underdogs. 603 00:26:01,050 --> 00:26:02,610 I, I feel like a little bit. 604 00:26:02,699 --> 00:26:06,479 Um, 'cause sometimes it'll be like, and especially nowadays, it's 605 00:26:06,479 --> 00:26:08,879 hard because horses are expensive. 606 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:16,080 Um, and yeah, I mean like, and then to find ones that are going out and doing it. 607 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,800 Sometimes when you have something happen and you have some owners and you're like, 608 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,080 okay, look, I can, we can buy a horse. 609 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,520 And then it's like, that amount of money is like, it's a lot of money, but 610 00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:26,939 Yeah. 611 00:26:26,939 --> 00:26:26,949 Yeah. 612 00:26:26,949 --> 00:26:26,959 Yeah. 613 00:26:27,209 --> 00:26:29,489 In the big scheme of things, it's like not a lot of money. 614 00:26:29,489 --> 00:26:35,699 So oftentimes I have to find horses to, okay, I can get like my Rinkin Corsair 615 00:26:35,699 --> 00:26:38,610 horse, he had had some things, um. 616 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,470 And, you know, he had some cross country things that he had before 617 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,270 I bought him, but he, um, we 618 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,980 ended up say things you mean like phobias 619 00:26:46,985 --> 00:26:48,630 or He did not, well not phobias. 620 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:50,340 He just had some like, control things. 621 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,700 Um, which I mean like in the end maybe. 622 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:58,770 But we ended up winning the three long at Maryland, which was a big deal, A 623 00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:59,640 long format. 624 00:26:59,645 --> 00:26:59,775 Mm-hmm. 625 00:26:59,875 --> 00:27:00,415 The three star. 626 00:27:00,415 --> 00:27:00,695 Mm-hmm. 627 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:02,820 Everyone who's listening that are not event ours, 628 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,880 the national, the national Championships at Maryland. 629 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:11,130 And, and he had like a pretty big phobia of, uh, horse traffic. 630 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,575 Um Oh yeah. 631 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,140 Yeah. 632 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:14,340 Like a really big one. 633 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:19,800 Like one to the fact that when I was at Maryland, the stewards were freaking out 634 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,720 because I went, I hopped on 'em for like 10 minutes and you just do stretchy trot. 635 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,900 And then I got out of there and I'm just sitting there waiting and they're like, 636 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:29,820 you have five minutes until you go. 637 00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:31,620 And I was like, okay, great. 638 00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:32,670 And then they're like. 639 00:27:33,314 --> 00:27:34,574 You have three minutes until you go. 640 00:27:34,754 --> 00:27:36,375 And I still wasn't on the horse yet. 641 00:27:36,824 --> 00:27:39,254 And they're like, okay, we're gonna send you up in two minutes. 642 00:27:39,254 --> 00:27:42,014 And I was like, okay, well when you send me up, let me know and I'm 643 00:27:42,014 --> 00:27:44,985 gonna bring him to the step block and I'm gonna get on and I'm gonna go. 644 00:27:44,989 --> 00:27:45,260 Cool. 645 00:27:45,284 --> 00:27:49,034 And we scored like our best score, um, because that's what, you know, he 646 00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:52,245 would get nervous with horse traffic. 647 00:27:52,364 --> 00:27:59,084 Um, and we laid down like our personal best dressage test there. 648 00:28:00,225 --> 00:28:04,425 And, uh, he smoked around the cross country and then he was 649 00:28:04,425 --> 00:28:05,985 originally a show jumper as well. 650 00:28:06,044 --> 00:28:11,024 Um, and he show jumped really great, but he was a big, strong horse. 651 00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:16,425 And like, in the end, like I got him to four star, but I just, I 652 00:28:16,425 --> 00:28:18,195 couldn't quite go fast enough. 653 00:28:18,225 --> 00:28:18,314 Mm-hmm. 654 00:28:18,554 --> 00:28:20,804 Where, 'cause he would kind of get a little bit too strong. 655 00:28:20,804 --> 00:28:24,915 But now he's, it's so much fun because he's doing fantastic in the show. 656 00:28:24,915 --> 00:28:26,745 Jump ring with the adult amateur and 657 00:28:26,774 --> 00:28:26,895 yeah. 658 00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:30,314 Given her so much confidence and he's great and he's happy 659 00:28:30,314 --> 00:28:31,965 and so like that's like. 660 00:28:32,055 --> 00:28:33,975 I mean, that's how a lot of them go. 661 00:28:34,125 --> 00:28:34,215 Yeah. 662 00:28:34,215 --> 00:28:37,575 A little bit like there's always some type of quirk that we gotta kind 663 00:28:37,575 --> 00:28:42,765 of figure out and help the horse's confidence and kind of move on from that. 664 00:28:42,765 --> 00:28:43,995 That's really the biggest thing. 665 00:28:44,085 --> 00:28:47,925 It's like what quirk, someone's willing or not willing to deal with. 666 00:28:48,465 --> 00:28:48,825 Okay. 667 00:28:49,305 --> 00:28:53,685 I wanna dive on that one because that, but before we do that, I feel like 668 00:28:53,685 --> 00:28:57,555 you have a permission slip to give everybody right now, which is when 669 00:28:57,555 --> 00:29:01,185 you talk about the situation with the stewards, I feel like a lot of people 670 00:29:01,185 --> 00:29:05,415 in the horse world are, we're, we're all kind of like groom, encouraged, 671 00:29:05,415 --> 00:29:10,365 conditioned, however you wanna look at it shaped to like in that moment where 672 00:29:10,365 --> 00:29:11,955 the steward's like, what are you doing? 673 00:29:12,225 --> 00:29:12,585 Right? 674 00:29:13,275 --> 00:29:16,035 You have to have a lot of self-confidence in your own belief. 675 00:29:16,065 --> 00:29:16,215 Mm-hmm. 676 00:29:16,455 --> 00:29:17,475 That you are doing. 677 00:29:17,835 --> 00:29:20,265 You are creating the environment that is best for your horse. 678 00:29:20,295 --> 00:29:20,385 Right. 679 00:29:21,045 --> 00:29:24,255 But I'm imagine like I'm inserting myself in that situation and I 680 00:29:24,255 --> 00:29:25,305 feel like I'd be like, yeah, what? 681 00:29:25,365 --> 00:29:26,505 Like, yeah, it's two minutes. 682 00:29:26,505 --> 00:29:27,285 Like what, do you know what I mean? 683 00:29:27,285 --> 00:29:30,705 Like, you have to have a lot of like certainty in yourself. 684 00:29:31,305 --> 00:29:34,485 So I feel like this would be an awesome opportunity for you to talk to the 685 00:29:34,485 --> 00:29:38,655 horse world and give them a permission slip that you're like, even if stewards 686 00:29:38,955 --> 00:29:41,985 are saying to you, like looking at you like you're a crazy person. 687 00:29:42,045 --> 00:29:42,135 Mm-hmm. 688 00:29:42,885 --> 00:29:44,565 Or maybe someone at the barn. 689 00:29:44,565 --> 00:29:48,225 There's lots of people who like absolutely whose heads roll when we 690 00:29:48,225 --> 00:29:52,005 do something maybe unorthodox for a horse that we know needs that. 691 00:29:52,065 --> 00:29:52,155 Mm-hmm. 692 00:29:52,485 --> 00:29:52,995 Absolutely. 693 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:53,895 Could you speak to that? 694 00:29:54,795 --> 00:29:55,365 Uh, yeah. 695 00:29:55,365 --> 00:29:58,575 I mean it can, it's very, I've had, I think I've had this question 696 00:29:58,575 --> 00:30:00,285 before about p peer pressure. 697 00:30:00,615 --> 00:30:04,905 Um, and you know, you just have to. 698 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,430 Trust in yourself and trust in the process. 699 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:12,900 A little bit of like your training and your knowing the horse. 700 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:14,190 Sometimes we get it wrong. 701 00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:19,320 Um, but I had found that that worked best for that horse in that moment. 702 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720 Now did I always have to do that at like later on? 703 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,140 No. 704 00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:25,620 Like he finally got better and more confident and stuff like that. 705 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:28,170 But, uh, for sure. 706 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,200 I'm trying to think of like other scenarios, I guess. 707 00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:35,670 You know, it can be, for instance, cross country. 708 00:30:35,675 --> 00:30:35,905 Mm-hmm. 709 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,820 You know, everybody's gonna have, like how, how many 710 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:39,780 strides are you gonna do here? 711 00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:41,010 How many strides are you gonna do there? 712 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:41,340 Mm. 713 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:41,700 You know? 714 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,750 And like, what's your plan is and, and uh, this and kind of that. 715 00:30:45,780 --> 00:30:50,820 And I, uh, Bruce's field, which just happened was kind of a funny one 716 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:52,320 'cause I had a long time to wait. 717 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,740 And I was watching everyone go and I'd watch people do their, but I was 718 00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:57,570 like, I didn't have that in my plan. 719 00:30:57,575 --> 00:30:57,785 Mm-hmm. 720 00:30:57,810 --> 00:30:59,790 And then I would go back and think and then. 721 00:31:00,179 --> 00:31:01,500 I would go and I'd watch it again. 722 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:06,990 And then I got on my, on my mare who is very opinionated about herself 723 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,179 being and what she wants to do. 724 00:31:09,179 --> 00:31:11,490 And you kind of gotta like go with the flow a little bit. 725 00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:15,000 And I was like, well, uh, that was our plan. 726 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:15,270 Yeah. 727 00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:18,179 You know, you really have to be in the moment with her and um, 728 00:31:18,179 --> 00:31:19,320 just go based off the field. 729 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Like, she's so funny 'cause she can add one or she can leave one out. 730 00:31:22,379 --> 00:31:24,510 It's just kind of, you gotta be in the moment. 731 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,520 And that is a, a lot of the, the key thing with a lot of the horses I think is 732 00:31:29,969 --> 00:31:32,219 being in the mo where people get hung up. 733 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:36,899 When I teach a lot of people, it's my horse, you know. 734 00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:37,740 Oh my horse. 735 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:38,100 Right. 736 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,360 Lead is the worst lead. 737 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,419 Or they might do, they project a lot sometimes. 738 00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:42,600 Oh yeah. 739 00:31:42,629 --> 00:31:42,990 Right. 740 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:43,199 Yeah. 741 00:31:43,409 --> 00:31:48,840 Versus not really accepting the change that the horse is trying to do. 742 00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:53,070 They're still holding that horse in that moment, which can block you versus 743 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:56,580 going, well see that the horse is trying and then if you encourage them, they go. 744 00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,895 Oh, that feels like that's the release, right? 745 00:31:59,895 --> 00:32:06,225 So any ounce of try you want to, but oftentimes mindset can get in the way of, 746 00:32:06,435 --> 00:32:09,285 well, my horse is gonna spook at the bush. 747 00:32:09,285 --> 00:32:14,115 And this is also a little bit of where I feel focus of intent. 748 00:32:14,175 --> 00:32:22,125 So, so what Fgy taught me, uh, is that they can hear you here, not necessarily 749 00:32:22,125 --> 00:32:25,515 here, but they can definitely hear your thoughts sometimes, especially 750 00:32:25,515 --> 00:32:27,585 the really sensitive forces. 751 00:32:27,585 --> 00:32:31,665 So that's why sometimes we'll say think it and the horse 752 00:32:31,665 --> 00:32:32,865 will boom, like, you're caning. 753 00:32:32,865 --> 00:32:33,405 Think trot. 754 00:32:33,465 --> 00:32:34,965 And I'll be like, and trot. 755 00:32:34,995 --> 00:32:36,825 But they, they heard me, right? 756 00:32:36,825 --> 00:32:41,085 So it, whether or not subconsciously you're doing something with your body, 757 00:32:41,085 --> 00:32:44,295 it's still fun to think of in that moment. 758 00:32:45,555 --> 00:32:48,795 That's why it's so important to think of that control. 759 00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:49,155 Yes. 760 00:32:49,215 --> 00:32:50,175 In your mindset. 761 00:32:50,265 --> 00:32:54,555 Like, so I like to use this idea when. 762 00:32:54,975 --> 00:32:59,655 We are, um, doing cross country and you'll have a lot of cross country jumps. 763 00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:00,020 Mm-hmm. 764 00:33:00,255 --> 00:33:03,945 And oftentimes say you've got a jump to the right on the pimple or something 765 00:33:03,945 --> 00:33:07,155 and right next to the jump and you're taking your horse and you're like, I 766 00:33:07,155 --> 00:33:08,955 don't want my horse to jump that jump. 767 00:33:09,015 --> 00:33:10,005 Well what is your horse here? 768 00:33:10,215 --> 00:33:11,085 Jump that jump. 769 00:33:11,085 --> 00:33:11,385 Yeah. 770 00:33:11,565 --> 00:33:12,375 They hear that. 771 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:14,175 So you can't even think that way. 772 00:33:14,175 --> 00:33:18,630 You have to think Jump fence eight, jump fence eight, you know, jump. 773 00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:18,980 Yeah. 774 00:33:19,095 --> 00:33:22,275 You cannot think of, don't look at that 775 00:33:22,905 --> 00:33:25,425 if you, it's like, makes me think of what you said in the beginning, which is if 776 00:33:25,425 --> 00:33:27,135 you want focus from your horse mm-hmm. 777 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,145 You have to be, you have to also, 778 00:33:29,145 --> 00:33:30,900 because they mirror, they'll mirror that though. 779 00:33:31,335 --> 00:33:35,235 I mean, it's very interesting because I was galloping on and I'm pretty 780 00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:39,045 good at staying focused, but on, on my, one of my new guys that I got 781 00:33:39,525 --> 00:33:43,125 and I was galloping around prelim and I was like, wow, I'm getting pretty 782 00:33:43,125 --> 00:33:44,565 close to that beginner novice fence. 783 00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:45,375 And he's like, that one. 784 00:33:45,375 --> 00:33:48,015 And I was like, well, I did, I did think it. 785 00:33:48,705 --> 00:33:49,395 Good boy. 786 00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:50,445 But that's how. 787 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,270 Especially when we get to, you want that because at the upper levels, 788 00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:56,400 everything is happening so fast. 789 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,740 Like we have to be on the same page. 790 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:00,480 Like reading speed, speed reading. 791 00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:01,260 Okay. 792 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,820 You just helped me connect some dots here. 793 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:03,120 Mm-hmm. 794 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:03,450 Okay. 795 00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:07,260 So Karen Rolf talks about think it, plan for it, ask it. 796 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:07,590 Mm-hmm. 797 00:34:07,596 --> 00:34:09,210 It's like this thing that she talks about. 798 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:11,100 It's really cool when it comes to like, like groundwork, which 799 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,560 I really loved because it kind of gives you like three steps. 800 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,210 And she says sometimes they'll do it on the think it. 801 00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:15,600 Mm-hmm. 802 00:34:15,929 --> 00:34:21,150 Scott Brush years and years and years ago told me that him and Hello Santo got so 803 00:34:21,150 --> 00:34:27,780 connected that he could come off an ER and literally like, like fire his upper 804 00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:31,020 abdomen and that horse would just Yep. 805 00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:32,489 Like immediately on the first stride. 806 00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:36,030 And then it makes me think of that, that Mustang that you said would 807 00:34:36,034 --> 00:34:36,235 mm-hmm. 808 00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:37,259 Like you pop a knee. 809 00:34:38,355 --> 00:34:41,534 So what it, what it, what you like, that's a definitive 810 00:34:41,565 --> 00:34:41,655 mm-hmm. 811 00:34:41,925 --> 00:34:47,355 That there are horses that I think our thoughts give off even a micro Yes. 812 00:34:47,385 --> 00:34:48,705 Movement of intention. 813 00:34:48,735 --> 00:34:48,824 Mm-hmm. 814 00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:53,385 And so if we are allowing ourselves to think that way, that a thought 815 00:34:53,445 --> 00:34:57,045 gives off a micro movement or a micro energy, or a micro intention mm-hmm. 816 00:34:57,285 --> 00:35:00,135 And the sensitive ones, which are the ones we really want. 817 00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:00,255 Mm-hmm. 818 00:35:01,365 --> 00:35:04,365 If the sensitive ones pick up on that, then it's like you do have 819 00:35:04,365 --> 00:35:07,995 to be accountable for every single thought, which is so hard nowadays. 820 00:35:07,995 --> 00:35:08,385 It is. 821 00:35:08,445 --> 00:35:08,535 Yeah. 822 00:35:08,535 --> 00:35:10,635 I feel like it's harder now than it ever was. 823 00:35:10,665 --> 00:35:10,755 Mm-hmm. 824 00:35:11,175 --> 00:35:11,685 For sure. 825 00:35:12,225 --> 00:35:13,515 We have to be like monks. 826 00:35:15,225 --> 00:35:15,735 Yeah. 827 00:35:15,735 --> 00:35:21,585 Well, and yeah, it can be really hard to not let the bad things in. 828 00:35:22,455 --> 00:35:23,025 Yeah. 829 00:35:23,235 --> 00:35:25,635 To not let the, the bad, the bad talk in. 830 00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:26,715 So, 831 00:35:27,705 --> 00:35:28,095 okay. 832 00:35:28,455 --> 00:35:31,335 Why don't you pick the next question. 833 00:35:31,335 --> 00:35:31,365 Okay. 834 00:35:31,365 --> 00:35:33,765 Let's flop these things around a little bit. 835 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,299 Which one of the, oh, this is wrong. 836 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:40,920 Okay. 837 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:45,630 What is the most common struggle you see riders run into when they 838 00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:47,220 are producing their own horse? 839 00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:47,670 Huh? 840 00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:49,200 Well, I kind of touched on that a little bit. 841 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,130 Baggage, right? 842 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,330 So knowing, knowing the horse in a certain way. 843 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:58,860 Um, so you think that if people like you find that people 844 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:00,180 really attach to the story? 845 00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:01,890 Yes. 846 00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:04,830 I had to deal with this with my student, uh, with one of her 847 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,350 mustangs that we were dealing with. 848 00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:11,070 On the third ride, you buck your off, which it happens. 849 00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:11,670 Okay. 850 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,299 Like, you know, you're, you're starting a cult and it's gonna happen. 851 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:20,880 And, uh, but then she was so worried he was going to buck her 852 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,130 off, that it created more anxiety. 853 00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:23,580 Right, 854 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:24,150 right. 855 00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:28,049 So then, then the horse started associating when she was on 856 00:36:28,049 --> 00:36:31,740 to anxiety because she was still, and this is a month. 857 00:36:32,175 --> 00:36:34,755 Later, like after this happened. 858 00:36:34,755 --> 00:36:34,765 Yeah. 859 00:36:34,765 --> 00:36:35,160 High has passed. 860 00:36:35,355 --> 00:36:35,625 Yeah. 861 00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:36,615 Like it's passed. 862 00:36:36,615 --> 00:36:42,885 He's not that horse now, so, so I had to help in the, in the little interim of, 863 00:36:44,145 --> 00:36:48,495 and this is where sometimes I tell people, like, if I go and I help, say you get on 864 00:36:48,495 --> 00:36:52,185 and you do a training, I'll, I'll do a training ride and be like, okay, like for 865 00:36:52,185 --> 00:36:54,315 instance, this horse's name was Toast. 866 00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:58,815 I'm like, uh, yeah, this, that's, this is marshmallow right now. 867 00:36:58,965 --> 00:37:01,455 Like, you know, oh, it's, it's a different horse. 868 00:37:01,455 --> 00:37:05,145 So, so I worked with the horse, got it going and then she had 869 00:37:05,145 --> 00:37:06,705 confidence to see that I could do it. 870 00:37:06,705 --> 00:37:07,725 So then she was like, oh. 871 00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,015 And then I got on Road, walked. 872 00:37:09,075 --> 00:37:10,635 It was a good practice for Road To the Horse. 873 00:37:10,665 --> 00:37:10,755 Mm-hmm. 874 00:37:11,055 --> 00:37:12,495 Uh, walk track Cantor. 875 00:37:12,495 --> 00:37:16,785 And then, um, and now it's so great because now both him and her are 876 00:37:16,785 --> 00:37:21,525 happy and enjoying, she enjoying the process of riding him again. 877 00:37:21,525 --> 00:37:24,765 But that one little hiccup, which is fine because What is that? 878 00:37:24,795 --> 00:37:25,305 That's fear. 879 00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:27,089 Fear. 880 00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:28,830 Fear is the hardest thing. 881 00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:33,480 And I get it because I, I had a horse fall and break three of my 882 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,130 ribs and hurt my knee in November. 883 00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:40,860 And then I got two new horses that came in and, and that I didn't 884 00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:43,830 have a relationship with that I had to build a relationship with. 885 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:47,549 And then I was hurt, but I still had to work them. 886 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,470 'cause what is rest? 887 00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:51,839 Um, what is that? 888 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,480 Um, and you know, trying to, there is a feeling of where your 889 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,670 body just doesn't feel right now. 890 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:01,560 I finally was like, oh, I get it. 891 00:38:02,009 --> 00:38:03,540 I get, I get that fear. 892 00:38:03,779 --> 00:38:05,880 I understand now. 893 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:10,350 Uh, and it just, it finally took a smack in the face from 894 00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:12,960 myself to be like, okay, fuck up. 895 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,380 Come on. 896 00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:14,069 You're fine. 897 00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:14,580 Hmm. 898 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,520 Like, strap on, like, let's go. 899 00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:17,850 Yeah. 900 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:18,520 And, uh. 901 00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:22,830 And then finally my confidence started feeling better and I 902 00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:24,090 felt like I was riding better. 903 00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:29,820 But it's, fear can become so big and that's where, again, like the mental 904 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:35,970 aspect of everything in that control of emotions, you have to keep saying things. 905 00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:45,480 But I think that, yeah, when they're producing their horses or sometimes 906 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,670 when they, they're too afraid to ask for help or they're embarrassed 907 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:56,130 sometimes, like if something's happening or they feel like their horse 908 00:38:56,130 --> 00:39:00,210 is too much or, and it can just be sometimes a little bit of a different. 909 00:39:00,915 --> 00:39:02,295 Maybe you need a different saddle. 910 00:39:02,295 --> 00:39:03,795 Maybe the saddle doesn't feel right. 911 00:39:03,825 --> 00:39:07,545 You know, sometimes I've been, I've, when I've tried different 912 00:39:07,545 --> 00:39:10,845 saddles, I've sat in a saddle and I'm like, I can't post the trot. 913 00:39:11,715 --> 00:39:11,955 You know? 914 00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:12,910 It, it's so true. 915 00:39:13,005 --> 00:39:15,705 It can literally make you feel like you're riding horribly. 916 00:39:15,705 --> 00:39:16,305 Absolutely. 917 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:21,615 And, and oftentimes I think what people struggle with is giving them self credit. 918 00:39:22,125 --> 00:39:25,875 You know, if you're producing a horse, it's very hard and sometimes it's hard 919 00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:30,134 to look at the big picture and to stay patient 'cause you think I should have 920 00:39:30,134 --> 00:39:32,145 a certain timeline, I should be here. 921 00:39:32,145 --> 00:39:35,655 Like some of my, um, students struggle with that. 922 00:39:35,655 --> 00:39:40,545 Like, and I'm like, well, you can't compare yourself to, to me or 923 00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:44,115 anyone else because you are building that relationship with that horse. 924 00:39:44,115 --> 00:39:50,325 So you gotta take the time that it takes and whether that's you learning, that 925 00:39:50,325 --> 00:39:52,155 you, these are the steps you have to do. 926 00:39:52,155 --> 00:39:54,945 And guess, training is not linear. 927 00:39:55,155 --> 00:39:57,735 It is this way. 928 00:39:59,385 --> 00:39:59,895 And then back. 929 00:39:59,895 --> 00:40:03,705 I think people hear like they hear us when they, when you say that, but like I 930 00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:07,275 feel as though, and sometimes it's harder. 931 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:09,450 To recognize that in the moment. 932 00:40:09,455 --> 00:40:09,515 Mm-hmm. 933 00:40:09,515 --> 00:40:09,755 Mm-hmm. 934 00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:11,850 To go, oh, I'm just in a serpentine here. 935 00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:12,390 Yeah. 936 00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:12,990 Do you know what I mean? 937 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:13,050 Yeah. 938 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:17,130 And oh, and you know, so many people have said this and, and I've read this and I 939 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:18,990 understood it, but like, did they feel it? 940 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:20,370 'cause it's very different when you're in it. 941 00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:20,730 Mm-hmm. 942 00:40:21,235 --> 00:40:21,395 Absolutely. 943 00:40:21,395 --> 00:40:23,520 And to really give yourself the grace, so you're like, Hey, this is just, 944 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,750 this part's gonna take a little longer. 945 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:30,150 Well, and also thinking of it like when you are training a horse, 946 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,950 that horse is a canvas, right. 947 00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:33,870 We typically say it's a blank canvas. 948 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:39,030 So anytime you're creating a piece of artwork, you always have, um, 949 00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:43,260 that time where you're creating it, and then you need to step back. 950 00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:43,830 Yes. 951 00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:44,250 Right? 952 00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:48,210 So you need to step back to look at it to make sure, am I getting everything right? 953 00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:52,620 And, and you know, that's where you can talk to. 954 00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,050 And then that's also where you can bring in peers. 955 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:57,420 Look at what I'm making. 956 00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:57,870 Okay. 957 00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:58,860 I wanna talk about that. 958 00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,920 Because actually that's something I do think that that's like a massive 959 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,870 myth that we can bust here, which is when you, when people think of. 960 00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:12,330 Trainers, they think Okay, they live, you know, they have everything figured out. 961 00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:14,010 I think there's like this No, I know. 962 00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:17,010 So I, I wanna like really bust this myth right now. 963 00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:17,190 Yeah. 964 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:19,650 Which is, trainers know what they're doing. 965 00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:20,970 They don't seek any help. 966 00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:22,020 They know everything. 967 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:24,750 So they just, they're, you know, they're basically like a walking solution. 968 00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:33,210 And if anything, if anything at high performance, I've observed more, more 969 00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:34,770 people asking their peers for help. 970 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:36,330 More, more, Hey, could you watch this? 971 00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:39,660 I just can't quite figure this part of my game out or this part 972 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:40,860 of my training out or whatever. 973 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,370 Having friends come over, teammates come over. 974 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:44,380 Mm-hmm. 975 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:49,920 Other trainers seeking a second opinion, like the level of, um. 976 00:41:51,435 --> 00:41:53,745 Reach out is, for lack of a better word 977 00:41:53,775 --> 00:41:54,015 mm-hmm. 978 00:41:54,645 --> 00:41:59,835 I've witnessed at the highest level, I feel like is a, is a really important 979 00:41:59,835 --> 00:42:01,425 message for everybody to hear. 980 00:42:01,485 --> 00:42:02,295 Absolutely. 981 00:42:02,355 --> 00:42:05,805 Well that's where I was talking about like the fear of reaching out sometimes, right? 982 00:42:05,805 --> 00:42:05,895 Yeah. 983 00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:10,275 Um, look, Laney Ashker is one of my best friends. 984 00:42:10,275 --> 00:42:12,555 We send videos of each other all the time. 985 00:42:12,615 --> 00:42:16,935 And, you know, it's like not necessarily being nice, like, tell 986 00:42:16,935 --> 00:42:18,495 me, tell me what to do to fix it. 987 00:42:18,495 --> 00:42:20,535 Like, he is like, you have got to fix your head bump. 988 00:42:20,925 --> 00:42:23,835 You know, like, you've got to keep your head still. 989 00:42:23,835 --> 00:42:26,925 And I was like, you know, you're not wrong like I do. 990 00:42:27,195 --> 00:42:35,595 Um, but you know, like, it is, yeah, I mean, definitely asking, I mean, 991 00:42:35,595 --> 00:42:40,845 I have several mentors that I talk to, or if I have, you know, mentors 992 00:42:40,845 --> 00:42:46,305 in the, in my Mustang community and eventing and, and um, you know, 993 00:42:46,305 --> 00:42:49,515 picking everyone's brain and for me. 994 00:42:50,895 --> 00:42:52,635 Everyone has experience. 995 00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:57,285 Like it doesn't matter if you've won badminton six times, 996 00:42:57,345 --> 00:42:58,875 you Lucinda I, well it does. 997 00:42:58,875 --> 00:43:00,285 I mean, she's pretty, she's legend. 998 00:43:00,855 --> 00:43:05,085 Um, she's a, a fantastic mentor, but like even someone that has just 999 00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,875 had certain experience with horses that may have not, like they Yeah, 1000 00:43:07,965 --> 00:43:12,375 they can still have an angle that comprise can, can give you information. 1001 00:43:12,405 --> 00:43:12,585 Yes. 1002 00:43:12,795 --> 00:43:18,405 Um, and so I'm always willing and open to listen what I do with that 1003 00:43:18,405 --> 00:43:20,625 information is whether I use it or not. 1004 00:43:20,625 --> 00:43:20,865 Right. 1005 00:43:20,865 --> 00:43:24,705 You have to use your filter a little bit of what's in the moment and what's needed. 1006 00:43:24,735 --> 00:43:30,525 But, um, there are hangups that we hit for sure. 1007 00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:35,115 Or sometimes we feel like we're missing something or, um, but just 1008 00:43:35,115 --> 00:43:41,595 having that feedback every time because the glorious thing about 1009 00:43:41,595 --> 00:43:44,925 horses is you're always learning. 1010 00:43:44,955 --> 00:43:47,715 They are our teachers and we just. 1011 00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:50,400 I always try to be a better student. 1012 00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:54,780 Um, I feel like I, I'm getting better. 1013 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,100 Um, but you know, that's, and that's kind of how I'm like 1014 00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,390 looking at Road to the Horse. 1015 00:44:00,390 --> 00:44:03,750 It's is a, this is a huge learning opportunity for me. 1016 00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:04,200 Hmm. 1017 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:04,500 Um. 1018 00:44:05,655 --> 00:44:09,555 That's what I'm really excited about, to see what the takeaways 1019 00:44:09,555 --> 00:44:11,055 and everything to learn from it. 1020 00:44:11,625 --> 00:44:12,165 Um, 1021 00:44:12,195 --> 00:44:14,355 kind of like gonna Kentucky and just doing a demo. 1022 00:44:14,385 --> 00:44:14,745 Yeah. 1023 00:44:14,745 --> 00:44:16,725 Just going and doing a demo. 1024 00:44:16,725 --> 00:44:18,555 I mean, I got FFLs FFLs, come on. 1025 00:44:18,555 --> 00:44:20,865 I'm just doing a demo in Kentucky, so I love that. 1026 00:44:21,465 --> 00:44:22,695 Um, so that does help me. 1027 00:44:23,025 --> 00:44:24,345 You'll help me stay relaxed. 1028 00:44:24,705 --> 00:44:25,125 Um, 1029 00:44:25,125 --> 00:44:26,325 he's your emotional support. 1030 00:44:26,385 --> 00:44:26,775 Oh my gosh. 1031 00:44:26,775 --> 00:44:27,195 Of course. 1032 00:44:27,255 --> 00:44:28,875 He, poor fledge. 1033 00:44:28,875 --> 00:44:33,045 He's been used as that for a, a lot of animals. 1034 00:44:34,395 --> 00:44:34,840 Poor ffl. 1035 00:44:34,905 --> 00:44:37,575 Fledge is like, where is my emotional support area? 1036 00:44:37,575 --> 00:44:37,995 Animal. 1037 00:44:38,325 --> 00:44:38,895 Sorry, fledge. 1038 00:44:38,895 --> 00:44:39,885 You're stuck with me, buddy. 1039 00:44:40,275 --> 00:44:41,775 I realized what I wanted to ask you. 1040 00:44:42,045 --> 00:44:42,075 Oh, 1041 00:44:42,225 --> 00:44:43,695 I realized the thing that I really want. 1042 00:44:43,695 --> 00:44:47,295 So when you said you go off intuition when you're picking horses mm-hmm. 1043 00:44:47,865 --> 00:44:50,415 Are you gonna do that in the arena for after the horse? 1044 00:44:50,445 --> 00:44:51,795 Like, I have my list. 1045 00:44:51,975 --> 00:44:52,275 Yeah. 1046 00:44:52,395 --> 00:44:56,325 I have my, I have a list already of like, I have a favorite. 1047 00:44:56,535 --> 00:44:56,865 Okay. 1048 00:44:57,285 --> 00:44:58,485 Already, but, 1049 00:44:58,545 --> 00:45:00,195 but if you go in there and the feeling's not there. 1050 00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:02,220 Then you're not gonna go with your favorite. 1051 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,100 I have to, I don't know. 1052 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:05,670 I mean, 1053 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:09,150 I don't know. 1054 00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:13,170 Because that's the, like, that would be the representation of the battle 1055 00:45:13,170 --> 00:45:15,000 between the brain and the Absolutely. 1056 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,270 Right. 1057 00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:17,850 Your brain says, your brain looks at the paper 1058 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:17,970 mm-hmm. 1059 00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:21,360 And says, that one's my favorite based on what I read in the paper. 1060 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,370 Mm-hmm. 1061 00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:24,375 And then your gut is gonna, that's what's in 1062 00:45:24,475 --> 00:45:27,270 the, there's been sorts of things that you try to look, but again, that's, 1063 00:45:27,540 --> 00:45:31,410 that's kind of where you can talk yourself out of it just as fast as you can. 1064 00:45:31,410 --> 00:45:32,310 Talk yourself into it. 1065 00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:32,700 Oh my God. 1066 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,870 I can sit there and stare at horses for, like, I've done it when there's Mustangs 1067 00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:42,000 and I have literally stared at them for like 12 hours before I'm like, picked one. 1068 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:42,720 Really? 1069 00:45:43,020 --> 00:45:43,500 Oh yeah. 1070 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,600 I'd be like, you know, 1071 00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:47,910 you're like debating both sides. 1072 00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:48,210 Both 1073 00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:48,330 sides. 1074 00:45:48,330 --> 00:45:48,750 Oh yeah. 1075 00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:52,055 I can be like, well, you know, there's certain ways that you can. 1076 00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:55,680 Talk yourself into it or talk yourself out of it. 1077 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,940 So are you aware when you do that? 1078 00:45:57,015 --> 00:45:57,555 Mm mm-hmm. 1079 00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:58,350 Okay. 1080 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:58,570 Oh yeah. 1081 00:45:58,570 --> 00:45:58,795 That's 1082 00:45:58,795 --> 00:45:59,355 a good, that's a 1083 00:45:59,575 --> 00:46:00,060 Oh, oh yes. 1084 00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:01,020 I know what I know. 1085 00:46:01,350 --> 00:46:03,180 I know when I'm doing it for sure. 1086 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:03,930 Now. 1087 00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:08,340 Or you know, for instance, it's like the horse, some of the Mustang that's 1088 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:12,600 in there that's really athletic built and oftentimes the really 1089 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,050 athletic ones are more reactive. 1090 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:16,590 Mm-hmm. 1091 00:46:16,705 --> 00:46:23,310 Some, sometimes generally the less or less Yeah. 1092 00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:24,900 Reactive sometimes. 1093 00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:29,220 Um, and so, you know, it's when I get the reactive ones, 1094 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:30,690 I'm like, well, I did pick it. 1095 00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:31,470 So. 1096 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:32,430 Okay. 1097 00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:34,680 I actually have a question that just came up that I wanna like, we'll 1098 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,940 just imagine that it's in the jar. 1099 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:36,480 Mm. 1100 00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:41,430 So for everyone who is listening or watching to this episode, and you, you 1101 00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:43,230 haven't followed Road to the Horse. 1102 00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:46,500 Road to the Horse has a specific delineation where the main 1103 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:48,180 competition is done with Colts. 1104 00:46:48,185 --> 00:46:48,285 Mm. 1105 00:46:48,425 --> 00:46:48,645 And 1106 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,760 the Wild card is done with Phillies. 1107 00:46:50,765 --> 00:46:50,965 Mm-hmm. 1108 00:46:51,315 --> 00:46:51,605 Okay. 1109 00:46:53,205 --> 00:46:54,285 Not my year. 1110 00:46:54,825 --> 00:46:55,245 No. 1111 00:46:55,785 --> 00:46:56,775 No, ma'am. 1112 00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:57,585 Whoa. 1113 00:46:57,585 --> 00:46:58,695 I missed the memo. 1114 00:46:58,815 --> 00:46:59,115 Whoa. 1115 00:46:59,115 --> 00:46:59,985 Wait, rewind. 1116 00:47:01,095 --> 00:47:01,665 Flip it. 1117 00:47:01,845 --> 00:47:02,625 Flip the script. 1118 00:47:02,685 --> 00:47:04,995 The main championship is done with mes this year. 1119 00:47:05,715 --> 00:47:05,895 Blas. 1120 00:47:05,955 --> 00:47:06,765 Oh my God. 1121 00:47:06,765 --> 00:47:07,665 This made, its okay. 1122 00:47:07,665 --> 00:47:08,655 So now I'm excited. 1123 00:47:08,685 --> 00:47:08,955 Okay. 1124 00:47:09,075 --> 00:47:09,405 Okay. 1125 00:47:09,405 --> 00:47:10,995 This still makes my question applicable. 1126 00:47:11,115 --> 00:47:11,445 Okay. 1127 00:47:11,475 --> 00:47:12,525 I didn't get that memo. 1128 00:47:12,555 --> 00:47:12,945 Oh yeah. 1129 00:47:13,035 --> 00:47:13,245 Mm-hmm. 1130 00:47:13,695 --> 00:47:14,685 How do you feel about that? 1131 00:47:15,435 --> 00:47:18,705 Well, uh, Phillies are fun. 1132 00:47:22,155 --> 00:47:25,425 You're not gonna, you're not gonna like push around to Philly. 1133 00:47:25,515 --> 00:47:26,325 She don't want to. 1134 00:47:26,325 --> 00:47:27,345 She don't want to. 1135 00:47:27,495 --> 00:47:27,975 Yeah. 1136 00:47:27,975 --> 00:47:33,375 I mean, and it's, it's it, so you're gonna have to have to really be open 1137 00:47:33,435 --> 00:47:34,845 for what they're willing to give. 1138 00:47:35,355 --> 00:47:36,135 Whoa. 1139 00:47:36,135 --> 00:47:37,245 This just broke my brain. 1140 00:47:37,275 --> 00:47:37,515 Okay. 1141 00:47:37,515 --> 00:47:41,955 So this is cool because my question was gonna be, having started so many 1142 00:47:42,015 --> 00:47:48,075 Mustangs and horses yourself, do you think the Wild Card has had it harder? 1143 00:47:48,765 --> 00:47:52,845 Then the championship because they're starting, like they're in a, in the 1144 00:47:52,845 --> 00:47:54,765 round pen with a Philly versus a cult 1145 00:47:56,895 --> 00:48:00,465 or, well, these, when I watched the Phillies this past year, it 1146 00:48:00,465 --> 00:48:03,135 was, there was a, there was a mix. 1147 00:48:03,315 --> 00:48:06,825 The Argentinian, um, had a tough mare, but was just 1148 00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:07,460 scar potty 1149 00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:07,470 uhhuh. 1150 00:48:07,850 --> 00:48:08,060 Mm-hmm. 1151 00:48:08,445 --> 00:48:11,055 Which I, I've loved following him and his dad. 1152 00:48:11,505 --> 00:48:18,135 Uh, what was interesting, 'cause I've gone back and I've studied that, is that they 1153 00:48:18,135 --> 00:48:21,135 don't have to do the op, they didn't have to do the obstacles really at the end. 1154 00:48:21,135 --> 00:48:21,525 They just, 1155 00:48:21,525 --> 00:48:21,765 yeah. 1156 00:48:22,245 --> 00:48:25,275 Took them outside and then, um, went over a tarp. 1157 00:48:25,335 --> 00:48:26,385 Not one went over the tarp. 1158 00:48:26,715 --> 00:48:26,955 Yeah. 1159 00:48:27,585 --> 00:48:28,785 One like, I think touched it. 1160 00:48:29,415 --> 00:48:29,655 Yeah. 1161 00:48:30,135 --> 00:48:31,155 But not one enough. 1162 00:48:31,425 --> 00:48:32,805 We gotta do a lot more than that. 1163 00:48:32,805 --> 00:48:34,785 But it, it's all about mindset. 1164 00:48:34,785 --> 00:48:40,485 So here's the thing about the girls, and I've had, um. 1165 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:48,690 I've had some very interesting Mustang mares, um, like Wynn, who, she's a Brier. 1166 00:48:49,049 --> 00:48:50,520 She was the first Mustang mayor. 1167 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,220 I trained, uh, for the Mustang Magic. 1168 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,840 And I distinctly remember, 'cause there's this idea of desensitization, right? 1169 00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:58,350 Mm-hmm. 1170 00:48:58,590 --> 00:48:58,600 Mm-hmm. 1171 00:48:58,830 --> 00:48:59,100 Right? 1172 00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:00,210 You're gonna desensitize it. 1173 00:49:00,990 --> 00:49:02,549 Oh, not when, okay. 1174 00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:06,060 When tolerate, she tolerate it, right? 1175 00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:07,170 She would tolerate it. 1176 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,490 And then, um, I remember I was working her in the round then, 1177 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:12,660 and she was going around great. 1178 00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,600 I had pull noodles on her, oh, whatever. 1179 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,009 And she's going, I've learned a lot since when, um, she went around about 1180 00:49:20,009 --> 00:49:23,520 like 10 minutes or whatever, and then she stopped and then she dropped to 1181 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,810 her niece, turned and grabbed and pulled each other, pulled it off. 1182 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:32,370 And I was like, Touche, okay. 1183 00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:35,130 Like, you just mm-hmm. 1184 00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:37,320 Just no, just no. 1185 00:49:38,145 --> 00:49:38,325 So 1186 00:49:38,325 --> 00:49:38,685 where does 1187 00:49:38,685 --> 00:49:39,285 that, okay. 1188 00:49:39,585 --> 00:49:42,825 I really know from your perspective as a trainer, as a horse woman, 1189 00:49:42,825 --> 00:49:44,055 where does that come from? 1190 00:49:44,055 --> 00:49:45,045 And do you love it? 1191 00:49:45,045 --> 00:49:48,585 Because like, I hear that and I'm like, I, that's why I love, I'm so team mare. 1192 00:49:48,975 --> 00:49:51,045 I'm biased, but I love that. 1193 00:49:51,165 --> 00:49:53,115 Well, yeah. 1194 00:49:53,235 --> 00:49:57,945 Where does it come from and how do you, how do you, how do you get that part 1195 00:49:57,945 --> 00:50:00,615 of their character on it's, 'cause it's all about getting them on your side. 1196 00:50:00,615 --> 00:50:00,705 Mm-hmm. 1197 00:50:00,945 --> 00:50:01,575 So that they'll fight. 1198 00:50:01,605 --> 00:50:03,645 'cause that's what everyone talks about on the podcast, is 1199 00:50:03,645 --> 00:50:04,995 that air will fight for you. 1200 00:50:05,055 --> 00:50:05,265 Yes. 1201 00:50:05,295 --> 00:50:09,855 So you have to earn that, that clout, that connection, that trust, that 1202 00:50:09,855 --> 00:50:12,375 respect, which then it turns that 1203 00:50:12,585 --> 00:50:16,515 it comes from the respect of like, making sure you're hearing them. 1204 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:16,850 Mm-hmm. 1205 00:50:16,935 --> 00:50:20,415 So once I learned, I was like, oh, okay. 1206 00:50:20,715 --> 00:50:24,915 There's just no, you're not gonna, you're not gonna like desensitize 1207 00:50:24,915 --> 00:50:27,315 her, take what she's giving you. 1208 00:50:27,375 --> 00:50:28,575 Like, let it be quick. 1209 00:50:29,055 --> 00:50:32,025 So if she says yes, cool. 1210 00:50:32,055 --> 00:50:32,445 Be done. 1211 00:50:32,895 --> 00:50:33,375 Cool. 1212 00:50:33,884 --> 00:50:35,175 That's what I learned from her. 1213 00:50:35,565 --> 00:50:36,134 And like. 1214 00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:38,100 You know, 1215 00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:38,970 don't be greedy. 1216 00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:39,570 Yeah. 1217 00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:42,270 Don't keep just because you want it that much better. 1218 00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:48,120 If she was totally fine, you know, but, and then, and she's like 17 now, 1219 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,460 but, and she's so great 'cause she's teaches my students and stuff and, um, 1220 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,730 but she still has her thing sometimes. 1221 00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:58,050 She is, she's a funny mayor. 1222 00:50:58,050 --> 00:51:00,180 But it's the same, it's a very interesting line. 1223 00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:03,720 'cause like, be my four star mayor is there. 1224 00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:08,520 You're not gonna tell her no, no. 1225 00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:10,350 And B will be like what you say. 1226 00:51:11,340 --> 00:51:11,880 Mm-hmm. 1227 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:14,970 You know, there's just, you have to be willing. 1228 00:51:15,570 --> 00:51:20,340 I always think of it as like, just try and hear me out, you know, 1229 00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:23,850 versus when you're with the gelding, sometimes you can be like, Hey boy. 1230 00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:25,830 And they're like, okay mama. 1231 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:26,615 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1232 00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:29,190 You know, like, they're like, yes, please tell me what to do. 1233 00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:32,040 And the MAs are like, hmm. 1234 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:33,900 I think I can handle this out. 1235 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:38,190 I mean, I think of like me, if I was a horse, like tell me I can't or 1236 00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:41,580 something and I'm, I'm gonna do it just 'cause you said I can't like, like, 1237 00:51:41,585 --> 00:51:41,790 dare me. 1238 00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:42,120 Yeah. 1239 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,930 It's like, dare me. 1240 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:43,890 Like I, I dare you. 1241 00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:47,070 So, respect, and again, that's a, 1242 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,850 a loaded word. 1243 00:51:47,850 --> 00:51:48,960 That's a loaded word. 1244 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,190 But having that respect on both sides. 1245 00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:53,520 Yeah. 1246 00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:56,400 Um, respecting your horse, your horse respecting you. 1247 00:51:56,850 --> 00:51:58,920 That that can be a big thing. 1248 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,380 And, and mares really respond to energy. 1249 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:06,960 And it can, it, it's just always very, I mean, I have a 1250 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,370 lot more geldings than mares. 1251 00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:09,540 Mares take up. 1252 00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:10,740 Mares can take up a lot. 1253 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:14,610 Uh, but the good ones are pretty darn special. 1254 00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:15,120 They are. 1255 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:15,330 Mm-hmm. 1256 00:52:16,140 --> 00:52:17,940 So now I'm dying to know. 1257 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:18,510 Okay. 1258 00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:20,040 Now that they switched the format. 1259 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:20,550 They did. 1260 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,120 Alright. 1261 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,230 So, I mean, within, within reason about what you wanna talk about. 1262 00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:29,460 Like how is that gonna change your approach, your game plan, your mindset. 1263 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,260 No, 1264 00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:32,550 not at all. 1265 00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:33,660 No. 1266 00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:39,300 I mean, no, because not when you go in, if your mindset is you're gonna try to do the 1267 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:42,390 best for that horse and learn from that horse in that moment, it doesn't matter. 1268 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:43,110 Oh yeah. 1269 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:43,620 Mic drop. 1270 00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:44,010 Okay. 1271 00:52:44,610 --> 00:52:46,980 Yeah, that's, again, that's the change which I love. 1272 00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:49,830 He's going back to this idea like, I'm just gonna Kentucky for 1273 00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:50,580 exactly 1274 00:52:50,580 --> 00:52:51,150 a demo. 1275 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:51,690 It's like, 1276 00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:54,840 because if you go in there with preconceived notions of, I'm going 1277 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,330 to, how many times have we like gone? 1278 00:52:57,630 --> 00:52:57,750 Yeah. 1279 00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:58,170 To go, 1280 00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,650 hundred 1281 00:52:58,650 --> 00:53:00,360 percent I'm going to do this, this, and this. 1282 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,200 And it was like, wow. 1283 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,410 Okay. 1284 00:53:01,410 --> 00:53:03,120 So I worked on walk today. 1285 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:03,600 Yeah, it's 1286 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:03,750 so true. 1287 00:53:04,075 --> 00:53:04,235 You 1288 00:53:04,235 --> 00:53:06,660 know, you have to do for what the horse needs in that moment. 1289 00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:07,140 So true. 1290 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,000 Um, but that's just kind of what. 1291 00:53:10,065 --> 00:53:10,695 Yes. 1292 00:53:11,265 --> 00:53:15,765 I do also believe in putting positivity in the universe of, wouldn't it be cool 1293 00:53:15,765 --> 00:53:19,755 if like, my horse did this, or I was able to get on like the first 10 minutes. 1294 00:53:19,755 --> 00:53:21,075 Like, that's not a bad thing. 1295 00:53:21,105 --> 00:53:21,375 Yeah. 1296 00:53:21,585 --> 00:53:25,755 I feel like putting it out there, positivity, you know, like 1297 00:53:26,625 --> 00:53:29,295 me and my groom, Megan always joke sometimes right before the 1298 00:53:29,295 --> 00:53:31,185 dressage, you're gonna go score 17. 1299 00:53:31,185 --> 00:53:35,385 Like yeah, I am like, you know, we're gonna get a 10, which 1300 00:53:35,385 --> 00:53:36,705 I got a 10 this past weekend. 1301 00:53:36,825 --> 00:53:37,425 Congratulations. 1302 00:53:37,425 --> 00:53:37,845 Yeah. 1303 00:53:37,875 --> 00:53:41,385 So, but like, I feel like that is really good because again, you're, you're 1304 00:53:41,385 --> 00:53:47,685 entering, and then I'm gonna think of it as, okay, you can put pressure on yourself 1305 00:53:47,685 --> 00:53:50,055 this way too, but it's a blink slate. 1306 00:53:50,235 --> 00:53:50,325 Mm-hmm. 1307 00:53:51,855 --> 00:53:52,905 It's your fault. 1308 00:53:53,715 --> 00:53:54,045 Right. 1309 00:53:54,705 --> 00:53:57,465 So then it's just a matter of being cool with yourself to be 1310 00:53:57,465 --> 00:53:57,915 Exactly. 1311 00:53:58,185 --> 00:54:01,995 So, so don't, you know, try, try your best. 1312 00:54:01,995 --> 00:54:03,585 And at the end of the day, that's all I can do. 1313 00:54:04,005 --> 00:54:04,545 Totally. 1314 00:54:04,995 --> 00:54:06,325 Well, and I think that's, that's like. 1315 00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:08,130 That's such a difference, right? 1316 00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:11,160 Is you can manifest, you can, like I do believe in Yeah, right. 1317 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,990 Like put positive vibes out there. 1318 00:54:12,995 --> 00:54:13,225 Mm-hmm. 1319 00:54:13,885 --> 00:54:15,570 Be like, oh, wouldn't that be cool? 1320 00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:16,110 Just like, 1321 00:54:16,215 --> 00:54:16,505 yeah. 1322 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,010 Yeah. 1323 00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:20,790 Like, I mean, oftentimes people are like you 'cause you want to win. 1324 00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:22,650 I'm like, yeah, it'd be amazing if I could win. 1325 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,970 However, that 1326 00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:24,090 it's, 1327 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:24,300 you 1328 00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:25,050 go in with that, 1329 00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:31,350 that's not the drive because, uh, again, dealing with like competition 1330 00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:32,550 and horseman hat type of thing. 1331 00:54:32,550 --> 00:54:32,640 Mm-hmm. 1332 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,830 Like at the end of the day, it's a competition. 1333 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,570 At the end of the day, you have to be a horseman. 1334 00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:36,960 So, 1335 00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:42,060 and at the end of the day, road to the horse, yes. 1336 00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:43,740 You are scored on the things that you accomplish. 1337 00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:43,750 Mm-hmm. 1338 00:54:43,795 --> 00:54:48,355 But you're also docked even more on making poor horsemanship decisions. 1339 00:54:48,355 --> 00:54:48,365 Right? 1340 00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:48,930 Exactly. 1341 00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:49,200 Yes. 1342 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,030 They, they, they really, you know, their goals are to spread good 1343 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:56,430 horsemanship and, you know, promote. 1344 00:54:56,985 --> 00:54:59,235 The training of, you know, good horses. 1345 00:54:59,715 --> 00:55:03,225 And I would even go further than that, having now watched it, like 1346 00:55:03,225 --> 00:55:05,415 having gotten involved in that, I didn't know anything about it. 1347 00:55:05,475 --> 00:55:06,045 Mm-hmm. 1348 00:55:06,046 --> 00:55:06,066 Before tech. 1349 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:10,185 But then I, I kinda read up and watched up on all this stuff before. 1350 00:55:10,515 --> 00:55:15,525 I actually think too Road of the Horse is also like many other events in horses. 1351 00:55:15,525 --> 00:55:19,185 And horsemanship can be, it can be a representation of where the 1352 00:55:19,185 --> 00:55:21,435 collective is at the present moment. 1353 00:55:21,585 --> 00:55:26,835 Mm. Because if you look at the last couple competitions and then you go back 15 years 1354 00:55:26,955 --> 00:55:27,135 mm-hmm. 1355 00:55:27,435 --> 00:55:28,545 Way different. 1356 00:55:28,665 --> 00:55:29,115 Yeah. 1357 00:55:29,205 --> 00:55:31,005 Like there's some, you know, sure. 1358 00:55:31,065 --> 00:55:34,425 The fundamentals are there, but I'd say the delivery is different. 1359 00:55:34,425 --> 00:55:34,815 Right. 1360 00:55:35,115 --> 00:55:38,895 So I think too the, they have an opportunity to really represent. 1361 00:55:38,925 --> 00:55:39,105 Mm-hmm. 1362 00:55:39,165 --> 00:55:42,495 And I would say that that's true of even who they're now inviting. 1363 00:55:42,615 --> 00:55:42,735 Mm-hmm. 1364 00:55:42,735 --> 00:55:47,085 And who we're seeing being invited both as the main competitors 1365 00:55:47,085 --> 00:55:48,315 and then also in the wild card. 1366 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,450 Mm-hmm. 1367 00:55:48,705 --> 00:55:50,565 You know, there's a lot more variety. 1368 00:55:50,625 --> 00:55:50,775 Mm-hmm. 1369 00:55:51,015 --> 00:55:51,495 There's a lot. 1370 00:55:51,495 --> 00:55:51,675 Right. 1371 00:55:51,675 --> 00:55:52,035 Well, 1372 00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:52,490 I, 1373 00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:53,370 again, like there's. 1374 00:55:55,285 --> 00:55:55,620 A train. 1375 00:55:55,740 --> 00:55:58,110 I've always thought a trained horse is a trained horse. 1376 00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:00,270 Like it doesn't matter what kind of saddle you put on it. 1377 00:56:00,270 --> 00:56:00,570 Right. 1378 00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:01,140 Amen. 1379 00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:05,880 Like, you gotta like, and that's the fun thing, is going and learning 1380 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,380 about different disciplines. 1381 00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:11,460 And that's where the Mustangs have helped push me to, like, I ended up, 1382 00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:14,190 I bought a western saddle with fledge. 1383 00:56:14,190 --> 00:56:19,320 'cause I had to compete western, like, you know, so, but as an English 1384 00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:24,360 kid, like you had to learn how to not do it with the Western saddle. 1385 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:24,630 Like 1386 00:56:24,635 --> 00:56:24,885 definitely. 1387 00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:26,130 You know, so 1388 00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:28,440 shout out to Vicki. 1389 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,750 I loved how she had her English saddle in the arena. 1390 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,590 Yeah. 1391 00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:31,610 Last year. 1392 00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:31,980 Yeah. 1393 00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:31,990 Yeah. 1394 00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:32,280 That was, yeah. 1395 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,660 No, Vicki's a badass. 1396 00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:39,780 Um, it, what, what's interesting is Vicki, uh, tick and me, it's, there's 1397 00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:41,850 a lot of similarities to how we start. 1398 00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:42,120 Absolutely. 1399 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,470 Which I, I thought, huh? 1400 00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:46,920 Thought, I mean, I never really before saw them. 1401 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,870 It's not like I studied how they started horses. 1402 00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:51,750 We all kinda, you just have to figure it out. 1403 00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:52,020 Yeah. 1404 00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:53,045 Um, and. 1405 00:56:53,775 --> 00:56:55,755 I mean, that's, that's how horses are. 1406 00:56:55,755 --> 00:57:01,935 But I definitely feel like it, it's such an incredible opportunity as 1407 00:57:01,935 --> 00:57:06,435 well to watch the other horsemen work because it, it's, it's a great learning 1408 00:57:06,435 --> 00:57:08,895 opportunity to watch the timing. 1409 00:57:08,895 --> 00:57:12,405 And I, I've gone, and that's, it's already helped me because I've spent 1410 00:57:12,405 --> 00:57:16,065 hours, upon hours watching, like all the past years, like over and 1411 00:57:16,065 --> 00:57:18,345 over again and watching mistakes. 1412 00:57:18,345 --> 00:57:22,035 Like you learn them sometimes the most things from failing, right? 1413 00:57:22,035 --> 00:57:27,585 Like in big mistakes that happen, like, um, as much as like the 1414 00:57:27,585 --> 00:57:31,785 good timing and the good releases sometimes where, or, you know. 1415 00:57:32,985 --> 00:57:38,475 Maybe then I, I guess a big thing that I learned from one of my past Mustangs 1416 00:57:39,075 --> 00:57:43,125 who was related into like being a monkey in the trees, in the beginning he'd 1417 00:57:43,125 --> 00:57:45,375 be like, he's like all over the place. 1418 00:57:45,825 --> 00:57:50,595 And, uh, this is the Mustang that I won the classic with, which 1419 00:57:50,595 --> 00:57:52,455 by the end, bombs could go off. 1420 00:57:52,455 --> 00:57:53,505 Like he was so quiet. 1421 00:57:53,505 --> 00:57:56,325 Like he was so much better when the applause was happening because 1422 00:57:56,325 --> 00:57:57,765 he would like get energy, right. 1423 00:57:57,975 --> 00:58:01,215 But in the beginning, I remember they loaded him up on the trailer and the guy 1424 00:58:01,215 --> 00:58:03,375 was like, that one's got a lot of fire. 1425 00:58:03,975 --> 00:58:08,175 Like, he was just bouncing all, oh, he was all over the place, like very high energy. 1426 00:58:08,175 --> 00:58:12,105 And so what I found was, is I would, he was another one like kind 1427 00:58:12,105 --> 00:58:15,345 of win, like less is more like I would work with him for a second. 1428 00:58:15,345 --> 00:58:18,345 Then I, I had weeds in the weeds in my arena. 1429 00:58:18,375 --> 00:58:20,175 'cause I can be really bad sometimes. 1430 00:58:20,175 --> 00:58:23,175 I think my biggest mistake is that I feel like I'm releasing, 1431 00:58:23,175 --> 00:58:24,585 but I'm not releasing enough. 1432 00:58:25,185 --> 00:58:25,335 Oh, 1433 00:58:25,365 --> 00:58:27,825 so like, because you just like. 1434 00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:30,300 It's like you want, like you want totally. 1435 00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:31,500 You're trying, you're just trying 1436 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:31,990 too hard. 1437 00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:32,670 I'm very much related to that. 1438 00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:32,730 Yeah. 1439 00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:39,240 So sometimes it's good to, what I found was I'm like, oh, I'm pushing too much. 1440 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,390 Like there's sometimes, like, that's where watching videos of yourself is great 1441 00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:49,230 because you can be like, that horse is so patient like, but I learned I would 1442 00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:53,970 go and pick weeds and then he would, and then he started coming around a lot faster 1443 00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:57,270 and a lot faster and, and, um, yeah. 1444 00:58:57,270 --> 00:59:01,080 So I, I try to always be mindful of when I feel that I'm 1445 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,640 like, you're pushing too hard 1446 00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:03,570 when you want it to. 1447 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,050 Yeah. 1448 00:59:04,050 --> 00:59:07,020 Like, you're well and you're just, you see that you're so close and 1449 00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:09,030 it's like, eh, just back away. 1450 00:59:09,390 --> 00:59:09,750 Cool. 1451 00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:12,270 Just go, you know, go look at your phone for a minute. 1452 00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:14,640 Like, just take the pressure off. 1453 00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:17,340 Like, 'cause again, like that release is really important. 1454 00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:17,700 Yeah. 1455 00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:21,480 But it can, sometimes you think you're releasing and you're just, you're not. 1456 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,470 I will, but 1457 00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:22,800 yeah. 1458 00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:23,730 Okay. 1459 00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:24,870 Let's ask another, another question. 1460 00:59:29,415 --> 00:59:29,925 All right. 1461 00:59:29,925 --> 00:59:36,285 This question is, what simple exercises or habits create the biggest long-term 1462 00:59:36,285 --> 00:59:38,835 impact for a young or green horse? 1463 00:59:38,895 --> 00:59:39,165 Okay. 1464 00:59:40,035 --> 00:59:49,155 Um, so I always find, um, in the young horses when I can make sure that I'm 1465 00:59:49,155 --> 00:59:51,285 gonna have a positive behavior, right? 1466 00:59:51,285 --> 00:59:54,915 So if something's causing a bad be, I don't want them to practice bad behavior, 1467 00:59:54,915 --> 01:00:00,855 something is hard or what have you, um, I'm gonna try to set them up for success, 1468 01:00:00,860 --> 01:00:01,110 right? 1469 01:00:01,245 --> 01:00:01,665 Right. 1470 01:00:01,665 --> 01:00:06,345 And it, the more times I can replicate success, whether how small that 1471 01:00:06,345 --> 01:00:10,035 is, the more times that horse is gonna then gain confidence and he 1472 01:00:10,035 --> 01:00:11,565 is gonna practice the good behavior. 1473 01:00:12,075 --> 01:00:15,585 Example, I have a horse that can be difficult to handle on the ground. 1474 01:00:15,585 --> 01:00:19,485 He gets very emotional and his flippers go flying everywhere, right? 1475 01:00:19,845 --> 01:00:20,174 So. 1476 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,920 Just managing him in the barn could be difficult. 1477 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,180 Um, leading him from the paddock, he would get a lot of anxiety paddock to the barn. 1478 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:27,570 Hmm. 1479 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:29,130 So I had a stall in the barn. 1480 01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:33,360 So then I was like, okay, he's practicing a lot of rearing striking. 1481 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,110 Like he was emotionally saying, I don't find security in you guys. 1482 01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:38,220 Peace out. 1483 01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:43,020 So I took it, I made it shorter because then we could practice good behavior. 1484 01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:43,470 Cool. 1485 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:43,920 Right? 1486 01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:48,120 So just even if it was, I had to find a spot where the stall was 1487 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,400 closer or you know, sometimes if there's a bush that scares the horse, 1488 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,990 well don't always push over there. 1489 01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:55,530 Go. 1490 01:00:55,830 --> 01:00:59,370 They'll have a nice ride and help the horse be confident and then 1491 01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:04,680 build slowly over, like, I like to do a lot of spiraling exercises. 1492 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,070 Figure eights work really well with the young ones. 1493 01:01:08,070 --> 01:01:10,530 I think, for example. 1494 01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:13,320 'cause I think they're looking for exercises to do. 1495 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:13,650 Right. 1496 01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:14,220 It's a big take. 1497 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:17,370 So if you have a horse that rushes the jump 1498 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:17,850 mm-hmm. 1499 01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:18,810 Um. 1500 01:01:19,185 --> 01:01:21,584 I keep it low, like the size of a cavalletti, and 1501 01:01:21,584 --> 01:01:22,634 I'll just do a figure eight. 1502 01:01:22,935 --> 01:01:23,265 Cool. 1503 01:01:23,355 --> 01:01:26,744 And you just stay in the same, you don't want to overrate them. 1504 01:01:26,744 --> 01:01:28,214 You kind of like let them figure it out. 1505 01:01:28,214 --> 01:01:30,794 Because a circle will help the horse regulate. 1506 01:01:30,884 --> 01:01:31,305 Right. 1507 01:01:31,364 --> 01:01:31,754 Right. 1508 01:01:31,754 --> 01:01:37,034 And then they're having also, if you think of how do you get in touch with the 1509 01:01:37,034 --> 01:01:39,105 mind, it's with the feet and vice versa. 1510 01:01:39,105 --> 01:01:41,235 You can get the mind through the feet and the feet through the mind. 1511 01:01:41,504 --> 01:01:45,945 So in doing a figure eight, you can get a horse then to start thinking 1512 01:01:45,945 --> 01:01:47,174 about, oh, I'm landing left. 1513 01:01:47,384 --> 01:01:47,414 Oh. 1514 01:01:47,414 --> 01:01:49,544 I'm like, oh, this is kind of uncomfortable if I 1515 01:01:49,544 --> 01:01:51,015 counter can or around, right? 1516 01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:51,315 Yeah. 1517 01:01:51,405 --> 01:01:55,364 If I motor, like if I motorboat around Uhhuh the corner, like feeling 1518 01:01:55,364 --> 01:01:56,895 out of balance is awful for horses. 1519 01:01:57,015 --> 01:02:01,424 Um, but literally my favorite exercise for the rushing is a figure eight. 1520 01:02:01,784 --> 01:02:04,634 Or I just do a 20 meter circle with a cavalletti. 1521 01:02:05,055 --> 01:02:05,534 Cool. 1522 01:02:05,595 --> 01:02:07,364 And what that does is it's small. 1523 01:02:07,454 --> 01:02:07,544 Mm-hmm. 1524 01:02:08,145 --> 01:02:11,475 It builds strength and then they start to relax. 1525 01:02:11,865 --> 01:02:14,805 And then you start to relax and then you can build upon that. 1526 01:02:14,805 --> 01:02:18,495 And that can, even as you build up the jumps, it gets better and better. 1527 01:02:18,495 --> 01:02:21,105 But that's like the most simple thing. 1528 01:02:21,105 --> 01:02:25,365 And like having poles on the ground, doing lots of trot work with poles. 1529 01:02:25,365 --> 01:02:27,915 Like again, making them think not high impact. 1530 01:02:27,915 --> 01:02:32,085 Everybody thinks that we jump all these, like I get the biggest giggle 'cause I 1531 01:02:32,085 --> 01:02:36,435 think I jumped my marere, you know, like a meter 20 over like five jumps, but 1532 01:02:36,435 --> 01:02:37,635 the rest of 'em were like two, three. 1533 01:02:37,755 --> 01:02:38,145 Yeah. 1534 01:02:38,235 --> 01:02:42,105 You know, just getting that footwork, getting that relaxation and that 1535 01:02:42,105 --> 01:02:45,315 brain to think and to weight Beatrice. 1536 01:02:45,315 --> 01:02:46,245 Weight Beatrice. 1537 01:02:47,265 --> 01:02:52,125 Um, but those, that's like literally my go-to for. 1538 01:02:52,530 --> 01:02:53,910 For horses that get quick. 1539 01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:57,660 Well, and I love what you're talking about, Dr. Steven Peters, if you 1540 01:02:57,660 --> 01:03:00,120 were here to talk about the equine neuroscience of it and what you're 1541 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,970 talking about, not practicing bad behavior, any, like in creating good 1542 01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:04,680 behavior, it's like myelination. 1543 01:03:04,685 --> 01:03:04,845 Mm-hmm. 1544 01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:06,930 So you're wanting to myelinate the good, not that 1545 01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:07,440 Exactly. 1546 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,230 And pathways neuropathways are created either way. 1547 01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:10,590 Right. 1548 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,650 Horses don't delineate between the, both the two, the only people 1549 01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,940 that can delineate between the two. 1550 01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:17,670 The only opportunity for is for us to do the difference. 1551 01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:18,060 Right. 1552 01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:19,320 So, I love that. 1553 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:19,620 Yeah. 1554 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:20,550 That's awesome. 1555 01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:20,730 Yeah. 1556 01:03:20,955 --> 01:03:22,230 Capi CAPI taught me that one. 1557 01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:27,480 I was like, whoa, no, we gotta practice some, let's try to minimize this here. 1558 01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:27,930 Yeah. 1559 01:03:27,930 --> 01:03:31,020 Let's, let's try to practice the good behavior, because again, 1560 01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:32,700 it could then, it can be a tool. 1561 01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:35,160 Like, he's like, how athletic can I be? 1562 01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:37,140 Mm. Well, and then they build confidence. 1563 01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:44,610 Like, it's like I feel it's, it's such a, so simple and yet so fundamental. 1564 01:03:44,610 --> 01:03:44,700 Mm-hmm. 1565 01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:47,070 This idea of let's practice good, not practice bad. 1566 01:03:47,130 --> 01:03:47,430 Mm-hmm. 1567 01:03:47,999 --> 01:03:48,330 Right. 1568 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:49,080 Exactly. 1569 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:49,740 In every way. 1570 01:03:50,009 --> 01:03:50,459 In every 1571 01:03:50,459 --> 01:03:50,520 way. 1572 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,830 And give them an opportunity to give the answer that you want. 1573 01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:52,950 Mm-hmm. 1574 01:03:53,310 --> 01:04:01,589 And also reward the slightest try like that is to, is, you know, just 1575 01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:05,400 imagine like if you're trying so hard and you're never told Good job. 1576 01:04:05,850 --> 01:04:06,030 Oh, 1577 01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:07,290 it sucks, doesn't it? 1578 01:04:07,379 --> 01:04:09,419 Oh, if I were a horse, it need so much positive. 1579 01:04:09,959 --> 01:04:11,370 It just, it, it just sucks. 1580 01:04:11,370 --> 01:04:14,339 Is that it doesn't give you a good feeling, but like, if you're like trying 1581 01:04:14,339 --> 01:04:17,669 really hard and you're like, yeah, you're doing it, you're like, yeah, I'm doing it. 1582 01:04:18,030 --> 01:04:21,270 Like, you know, it's, at least that's how I try to think about it. 1583 01:04:21,509 --> 01:04:24,180 It's, it makes me think of, did you ever watch Cheer on Netflix? 1584 01:04:25,035 --> 01:04:25,760 Uh, Uhuh, 1585 01:04:26,115 --> 01:04:28,095 they talk about in cheerleading, it's called Mat Talk. 1586 01:04:28,185 --> 01:04:28,485 Oh. 1587 01:04:28,545 --> 01:04:29,325 Which is this like, yeah. 1588 01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:30,920 You're doing such a good job. 1589 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,160 Yeah. 1590 01:04:31,165 --> 01:04:34,575 But I'm always like, okay, I wanna be like the best mat talker for my horses. 1591 01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:35,085 Right, right. 1592 01:04:35,085 --> 01:04:37,815 It's like, let's be the best mat talker for our horses, which just like, 1593 01:04:37,815 --> 01:04:42,915 basically screaming, not literally, but just being like, you are the best ever. 1594 01:04:43,095 --> 01:04:43,470 Right. 1595 01:04:43,470 --> 01:04:43,875 You know? 1596 01:04:44,025 --> 01:04:44,265 Yeah. 1597 01:04:44,265 --> 01:04:45,765 Because that does make a difference as some Oh yeah. 1598 01:04:45,795 --> 01:04:48,225 Like telling me all the good things that I was doing. 1599 01:04:48,285 --> 01:04:49,215 Yeah, for sure. 1600 01:04:49,545 --> 01:04:51,915 I feel like it changes your whole relationship with learning. 1601 01:04:52,965 --> 01:04:53,715 Absolutely. 1602 01:04:54,285 --> 01:04:56,235 Like that horse, it's that melting feeling. 1603 01:04:56,235 --> 01:05:00,735 The horse will just go from feeling frustrated to going, oh, that was it. 1604 01:05:01,155 --> 01:05:01,845 That's what you wanted. 1605 01:05:01,875 --> 01:05:02,985 Yeah, that was it. 1606 01:05:02,985 --> 01:05:08,565 Like they're trying to do, uh, my new little, my new Irish s horse who 1607 01:05:08,565 --> 01:05:10,965 was a meter 35 show jumper, but he. 1608 01:05:11,205 --> 01:05:13,275 I couldn't do changes when I got him. 1609 01:05:13,605 --> 01:05:16,935 And when I got him, all he wanted to do was a lead change by bucking. 1610 01:05:16,935 --> 01:05:18,195 And I'm like, we're not doing that. 1611 01:05:18,855 --> 01:05:22,065 No, I just went to Cantor Trot Canter. 1612 01:05:22,245 --> 01:05:25,335 And he's like, no, no, but I can do a lead change. 1613 01:05:25,335 --> 01:05:28,275 And I'm like, no, no, but we don't have to. 1614 01:05:28,275 --> 01:05:29,635 We're doing training though right now. 1615 01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:30,040 Yeah. 1616 01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:30,840 Like cool. 1617 01:05:31,035 --> 01:05:35,085 And then, but what's so funny is because I took away that pressure of asking for 1618 01:05:35,085 --> 01:05:38,535 a change, then eventually when I did ask for a change, boop, you delete change. 1619 01:05:38,565 --> 01:05:38,835 Yeah. 1620 01:05:39,075 --> 01:05:39,495 You know? 1621 01:05:39,705 --> 01:05:43,275 So again, it's, it's all really interesting. 1622 01:05:43,815 --> 01:05:44,085 Okay. 1623 01:05:44,085 --> 01:05:47,655 I have another training question for you like that just that came up. 1624 01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:49,545 So imagine I'm taking it out of the jar. 1625 01:05:52,215 --> 01:05:55,575 There's this idea that if you're struggling with something, if you're 1626 01:05:55,575 --> 01:05:58,335 like bumping up against it, let's say you're doing like a skill, I don't know. 1627 01:05:58,335 --> 01:05:59,865 Let's say you're doing flying changes. 1628 01:05:59,985 --> 01:06:00,195 Okay. 1629 01:06:00,375 --> 01:06:03,315 There's a great example and you're coming up against that wall and you're just 1630 01:06:03,315 --> 01:06:04,845 like, you're really in your head about it. 1631 01:06:06,105 --> 01:06:07,425 I've heard a wonderful. 1632 01:06:07,935 --> 01:06:11,955 Concept, which is to just like, put it down and go work on something else. 1633 01:06:11,955 --> 01:06:12,285 Yes. 1634 01:06:12,345 --> 01:06:13,275 And then like, 1635 01:06:13,275 --> 01:06:14,055 that's my first thought. 1636 01:06:14,115 --> 01:06:14,475 Okay. 1637 01:06:14,595 --> 01:06:18,884 So then weeks go by and then you might, you know, casually bring it up. 1638 01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:19,320 Mm-hmm. 1639 01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:24,464 And it will just, it will have, because the, not just because you will have let it 1640 01:06:24,464 --> 01:06:27,255 go, but also because the horse will have 1641 01:06:27,435 --> 01:06:27,585 Yeah. 1642 01:06:27,585 --> 01:06:28,485 He took the pressure off. 1643 01:06:28,575 --> 01:06:28,875 Right. 1644 01:06:29,205 --> 01:06:33,165 So like for instance, typically if I have a horse anxious about a lead 1645 01:06:33,165 --> 01:06:39,315 change, um, I'll just do a counter caner then see how many exercises you can do. 1646 01:06:39,315 --> 01:06:42,495 Counter caners, like counter caner in this, how small can 1647 01:06:42,495 --> 01:06:43,785 your counter caner circle get? 1648 01:06:43,905 --> 01:06:47,295 Mm. Like, um, my mayor b, she. 1649 01:06:48,089 --> 01:06:50,160 Always had really good, I went through a cycle. 1650 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,289 She had beautiful changes in the beginning, and then I was 1651 01:06:52,289 --> 01:06:53,549 like, ah, I made her anxious. 1652 01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:56,789 And then I had to get, now we're coming out and she's feeling 1653 01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:58,499 very, she's gotten a lot stronger. 1654 01:06:58,499 --> 01:07:02,129 And so, I mean, it comes with building up the, the strength for 1655 01:07:02,129 --> 01:07:03,810 it, and now she's getting relaxed. 1656 01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:04,320 I'm like, cool. 1657 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,150 I've got, I didn't, I didn't break it. 1658 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:06,839 Yeah. 1659 01:07:06,839 --> 01:07:10,740 You know, I didn't, 'cause at one point I was like, oh no, did I mess it up? 1660 01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:12,930 And it's like, no, just stop asking. 1661 01:07:12,959 --> 01:07:18,780 So I stopped asking and I was like, oh, let's play like how I can now. 1662 01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:21,150 I can do a 10 meter counter, counter circle. 1663 01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:21,780 You know? 1664 01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:26,700 Until then she starts to get security and knowing I'm going to ask when 1665 01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:31,829 I ask, not just when she feels off balanced, if that makes sense. 1666 01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:35,669 Well, yeah, because it actually, as you said that I was thinking 1667 01:07:38,129 --> 01:07:41,009 it even makes sense now that like I'm talking to you 1668 01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:41,084 mm-hmm. 1669 01:07:41,315 --> 01:07:41,605 That. 1670 01:07:43,005 --> 01:07:47,535 The diversity that you choose in your life in terms of like mustangs 1671 01:07:47,535 --> 01:07:50,265 or like you're saying, like you're gonna do bridals and bareback. 1672 01:07:50,295 --> 01:07:50,385 Mm-hmm. 1673 01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:50,925 Right? 1674 01:07:52,245 --> 01:07:56,505 Or you know, high level of venting, or you're maybe developing a shit 1675 01:07:56,505 --> 01:07:58,575 jumping horse, or you're taking on a shit jumping horse like these. 1676 01:07:58,905 --> 01:08:01,755 This is really cool because what it makes me think of is it kind of takes the 1677 01:08:01,755 --> 01:08:03,735 pressure off all the different facets. 1678 01:08:03,735 --> 01:08:05,265 No, because you have different skills. 1679 01:08:05,295 --> 01:08:06,315 Oh, I found my trick 1680 01:08:06,375 --> 01:08:07,515 is that, is that your trick? 1681 01:08:07,515 --> 01:08:09,105 Because I'm thinking like that's really, 1682 01:08:09,375 --> 01:08:11,535 the iron is in the fire, but like, yeah. 1683 01:08:11,595 --> 01:08:15,435 But what I love about that, it's so self one, one, it's beautifully 1684 01:08:15,435 --> 01:08:18,524 elegant, and two, it's really self-aware that you're like, you're 1685 01:08:18,555 --> 01:08:20,684 not putting all the stakes in one. 1686 01:08:20,684 --> 01:08:20,694 Mm-hmm. 1687 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,225 Like in, you know, on in one iron, in the fire. 1688 01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:24,450 Mm-hmm. 1689 01:08:24,535 --> 01:08:25,155 Like you have lot. 1690 01:08:25,155 --> 01:08:27,764 And then that means that you have lots of different toys you can pick up. 1691 01:08:27,764 --> 01:08:30,255 You can be like, if a horse is getting sour about something, you'd be like, okay, 1692 01:08:30,255 --> 01:08:32,444 let's go do groundwork and let's go play. 1693 01:08:32,475 --> 01:08:33,045 You know what I mean? 1694 01:08:33,045 --> 01:08:35,475 Like that means you have so many more tools in your toolbox. 1695 01:08:35,535 --> 01:08:35,625 Yep. 1696 01:08:36,540 --> 01:08:37,260 I love that. 1697 01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:37,740 Yeah. 1698 01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:44,130 So for instance, B um, my four star mare, she, her thoracic sling was 1699 01:08:44,130 --> 01:08:45,480 always like a little bit stuck. 1700 01:08:45,569 --> 01:08:45,600 Mm. 1701 01:08:45,810 --> 01:08:50,640 And so working on her to get better in that positioning is a lot of 1702 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,200 body work thanks to my osteopath. 1703 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,069 Um, 1704 01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:55,105 I shout out to the osteopath, we love 1705 01:08:55,105 --> 01:08:55,115 you. 1706 01:08:55,115 --> 01:08:55,920 Thanks for Jean. 1707 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,040 Um, but that's really helped. 1708 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,160 But then, so I was like, okay, well I'll teach her Spanish wok. 1709 01:09:02,190 --> 01:09:02,520 Right. 1710 01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,510 Because again, like the Will Coleman doesn't really, I will. 1711 01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:06,990 Is great. 1712 01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:07,050 Yeah. 1713 01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:10,470 Like he has his, he's had a stretching board for like, decades. 1714 01:09:10,710 --> 01:09:10,830 Yeah. 1715 01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:16,410 Um, you know, so going in, teaching them like a fun trick 1716 01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:19,050 and B would get very anxious. 1717 01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:22,890 Like you could go to the ring and she, she'd be fine. 1718 01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:25,140 She'd do her thing and then she'd be like, okay, I'm uncomfortable. 1719 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:25,830 I wanna go back. 1720 01:09:25,860 --> 01:09:27,480 'cause she was not feeling secure. 1721 01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:29,010 She wanted to go back, but she felt better. 1722 01:09:29,069 --> 01:09:34,530 And I was like, okay, well how can I. Make you change your mind about how you feel. 1723 01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:37,319 So Tristan Tucker is another good one I like to draw from. 1724 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,670 He does a really good job about understanding emotion, like horse's 1725 01:09:41,670 --> 01:09:45,899 emotions and getting them to like connect their body to the feelings that they feel. 1726 01:09:46,139 --> 01:09:52,319 So I started to play a little bit, it was really funny 'cause I was at a show and I 1727 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:57,840 teach them, um, to do it with a step block 'cause it's, it's an object in the way and 1728 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,799 it's, it can't hurt them, but they learn to then touch it with their leg and then 1729 01:10:01,799 --> 01:10:02,700 a step block with that, 1730 01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:04,350 you know, a mounting block. 1731 01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:04,980 Oh, okay. 1732 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:05,340 Gotcha. 1733 01:10:05,370 --> 01:10:11,250 Uh, so I'll teach them to, to use that as their object to, so I was at this, 1734 01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:13,590 um, I think we're at a show jump event. 1735 01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:17,910 A show jumping show, and she was quite nervous and uh, I just redirected 1736 01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:18,990 her and she was like, oh, cookie 1737 01:10:19,980 --> 01:10:20,730 cool. 1738 01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:22,710 And, you know, so it just started to trigger the brain 1739 01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:23,880 into doing something different. 1740 01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:24,240 Yeah. 1741 01:10:24,299 --> 01:10:27,299 Sometimes it can be hard 'cause she can't, she can't quite hear me. 1742 01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:28,230 Um. 1743 01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:35,219 And getting her into the mind frame of the grazing and calming the mind down 1744 01:10:35,219 --> 01:10:40,290 because at the end of the day, the upper level of it horses had to be so they 1745 01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:42,389 have to get up there, you know that. 1746 01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:45,389 But then they also have to learn to come down. 1747 01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:48,420 So, but she's great 'cause I'll hop on her, bare back with a 1748 01:10:48,420 --> 01:10:50,490 halter and lead and go for a hack. 1749 01:10:50,490 --> 01:10:55,469 And that's the other thing I think I try to remind people is 1750 01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:59,460 that you are with hor, it's fun. 1751 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,930 You love horses, right? 1752 01:11:00,930 --> 01:11:03,150 So like there should be play. 1753 01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,305 There should be like, yes, we have to. 1754 01:11:05,305 --> 01:11:05,465 Hold 1755 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:05,820 on. 1756 01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:06,450 Say that again. 1757 01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:06,930 There should 1758 01:11:06,930 --> 01:11:08,910 be, because I think that's actually, hold on. 1759 01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:10,680 I don't know if everyone knows that 1760 01:11:10,799 --> 01:11:11,760 there should be play, 1761 01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:14,309 why should there be play? 1762 01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:18,210 Well that's part of horses. 1763 01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:21,360 What do horses do out in the field or out in the wild? 1764 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:21,780 Yes. 1765 01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:23,549 There play is part of it. 1766 01:11:23,549 --> 01:11:24,750 Like they have play. 1767 01:11:25,049 --> 01:11:26,250 So that's how. 1768 01:11:26,805 --> 01:11:29,145 That's how horses learn to jump is through play. 1769 01:11:29,775 --> 01:11:31,335 They're running, they're bucking, they're jumping. 1770 01:11:31,335 --> 01:11:33,885 Like my colts are out there running and jumping and bucking. 1771 01:11:33,885 --> 01:11:34,424 They're playing. 1772 01:11:34,485 --> 01:11:34,875 Yeah. 1773 01:11:34,934 --> 01:11:38,235 Like that's how and how do children learn through play. 1774 01:11:38,235 --> 01:11:38,565 Mm-hmm. 1775 01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:38,900 Right. 1776 01:11:39,014 --> 01:11:39,915 So it's the same. 1777 01:11:39,915 --> 01:11:44,475 So, but being able to connect to your horses in that way 1778 01:11:44,475 --> 01:11:45,555 I think is really important. 1779 01:11:46,125 --> 01:11:47,655 And for you to be associated with 1780 01:11:47,655 --> 01:11:47,985 play. 1781 01:11:47,985 --> 01:11:47,995 Mm-hmm. 1782 01:11:48,059 --> 01:11:48,420 Exactly. 1783 01:11:48,645 --> 01:11:51,495 So for everyone who's listening or watching this episode right now who 1784 01:11:51,495 --> 01:11:54,885 maybe are in a barn program or they're in a sort of, in a, maybe a riding 1785 01:11:54,885 --> 01:11:59,325 situation that's quite regimented, let's say that they only, you know, only 1786 01:11:59,325 --> 01:12:04,155 do, um, let's say like gymnastics and jumping when they see their horse, so 1787 01:12:04,155 --> 01:12:06,014 that the association is quite specific. 1788 01:12:06,014 --> 01:12:06,105 Mm-hmm. 1789 01:12:07,275 --> 01:12:10,125 And they kind of go, oh, like there'll be some people listening 1790 01:12:10,125 --> 01:12:10,905 to this episode right now. 1791 01:12:10,905 --> 01:12:14,235 They'll go, oh, I don't feel like maybe my horse associates me with play so much. 1792 01:12:14,325 --> 01:12:14,565 Yeah. 1793 01:12:14,565 --> 01:12:15,540 Sometimes it's nice to just. 1794 01:12:16,485 --> 01:12:20,265 Say, go on a hack, just enjoy the moment for a minute. 1795 01:12:20,565 --> 01:12:23,475 Like it's, it can be hard sometimes, especially at the upper level event 1796 01:12:23,475 --> 01:12:26,925 horses, 'cause we're working on fitness and we're doing this and we're doing that. 1797 01:12:26,925 --> 01:12:32,655 But, um, you know, I do think it's important to have a day or, you know, 1798 01:12:32,985 --> 01:12:37,395 go for a bareback hack or go just sit with them while they grass soar. 1799 01:12:37,545 --> 01:12:41,835 I know people do that, but sometimes it's hard as a professional, you have 1800 01:12:42,645 --> 01:12:44,925 12 to 13 horses, you have to work and 1801 01:12:45,045 --> 01:12:45,255 Yeah, 1802 01:12:45,405 --> 01:12:48,285 it's probably closer to 15. 1803 01:12:48,735 --> 01:12:53,355 Um, you know, so it can be hard to, hard 1804 01:12:53,355 --> 01:12:54,165 to take time. 1805 01:12:54,165 --> 01:12:54,525 Yeah. 1806 01:12:54,675 --> 01:12:56,895 But you have to, you have to. 1807 01:12:58,305 --> 01:13:01,245 I really think that that's a powerful message because I, I 1808 01:13:01,395 --> 01:13:05,175 think clay is, and I know, to me it's like, like I agree with you. 1809 01:13:05,175 --> 01:13:08,595 It's, it's an, it's obvious in some ways, but then I don't think it is obvious. 1810 01:13:08,655 --> 01:13:08,775 Mm-hmm. 1811 01:13:09,015 --> 01:13:11,145 Especially when we think about narrow. 1812 01:13:12,014 --> 01:13:13,575 Mindset versus wide mindset. 1813 01:13:13,605 --> 01:13:13,695 Mm-hmm. 1814 01:13:13,934 --> 01:13:14,174 Right. 1815 01:13:14,205 --> 01:13:17,205 Which is this idea of can we, because the other thing is then, 1816 01:13:17,235 --> 01:13:20,715 okay, if I want to play with my horse, what does that look like? 1817 01:13:20,715 --> 01:13:22,065 Like what are some simple things? 1818 01:13:22,065 --> 01:13:24,195 If someone's like, I don't have any background and groundwork 1819 01:13:24,255 --> 01:13:24,375 mm-hmm. 1820 01:13:24,855 --> 01:13:28,335 I don't know how to teach a horse, you know, to play on a pedestal for 1821 01:13:28,335 --> 01:13:29,415 example, or something like that. 1822 01:13:29,835 --> 01:13:33,585 What are some fun, what are some playful things that they can explore? 1823 01:13:33,585 --> 01:13:33,615 Oh, 1824 01:13:33,735 --> 01:13:34,215 easy. 1825 01:13:34,545 --> 01:13:36,105 Uh, you can teach your horse how to smile. 1826 01:13:36,495 --> 01:13:36,915 Right? 1827 01:13:37,275 --> 01:13:41,985 That is a very simple, it can, some people might think it's, 'cause then your 1828 01:13:41,985 --> 01:13:43,695 horse just smiles every, all the time. 1829 01:13:43,815 --> 01:13:48,645 But it is actually that, that works on the horses that are very, 1830 01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:50,385 that hides, that are very shy. 1831 01:13:50,475 --> 01:13:50,565 Mm-hmm. 1832 01:13:50,805 --> 01:13:54,344 I try to teach them that little trick and that kind of brings them out a little bit. 1833 01:13:54,344 --> 01:13:57,105 'cause they start to get, especially the wild ones that 1834 01:13:57,105 --> 01:13:58,365 are like, are afraid of people. 1835 01:13:58,365 --> 01:14:00,525 Then they'll start to be like, Ooh, look at what I can do. 1836 01:14:00,795 --> 01:14:00,975 Yeah. 1837 01:14:01,005 --> 01:14:05,025 Um, I'm trying to think of like a simple thing. 1838 01:14:05,055 --> 01:14:05,775 You okay? 1839 01:14:05,835 --> 01:14:08,835 Even if you just go take your horse and you literally. 1840 01:14:09,855 --> 01:14:11,655 E most people can lunch. 1841 01:14:11,745 --> 01:14:11,985 Yeah. 1842 01:14:12,135 --> 01:14:16,485 You know, send it on a circle to the left, send it on a circle to the right and then 1843 01:14:16,485 --> 01:14:20,174 just have them yield their hunches to you and see if you can draw them to you. 1844 01:14:20,775 --> 01:14:23,805 Mm. Like that's very sim that's very simple. 1845 01:14:23,865 --> 01:14:24,014 Yeah. 1846 01:14:24,045 --> 01:14:26,325 Um, uh, 1847 01:14:26,355 --> 01:14:28,065 I was even thinking also like target, like 1848 01:14:28,215 --> 01:14:28,485 Yeah. 1849 01:14:28,485 --> 01:14:29,745 Bringing the positive reinforcement. 1850 01:14:29,745 --> 01:14:32,235 Even just like target training is really fun because the horse 1851 01:14:32,235 --> 01:14:33,434 is like, yeah, I'm getting it. 1852 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:33,629 Mm-hmm. 1853 01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:35,805 And then that establishes that sort of specific 1854 01:14:35,805 --> 01:14:35,895 at 1855 01:14:35,895 --> 01:14:37,424 times, like the big balls. 1856 01:14:37,725 --> 01:14:37,995 Yes. 1857 01:14:38,115 --> 01:14:41,295 Um, I have some that are like, Ooh, that note. 1858 01:14:41,295 --> 01:14:43,424 And some are like, yeah, let me kick the ball. 1859 01:14:43,514 --> 01:14:43,754 Totally. 1860 01:14:43,785 --> 01:14:45,555 You know, and then they start to chase the ball. 1861 01:14:45,555 --> 01:14:50,865 Or yesterday I was on, um, of my big hunter that I had a lesson with. 1862 01:14:51,869 --> 01:14:53,490 And the dog was in the arena. 1863 01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:55,230 And my dad was yelling at the dog to get out. 1864 01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,930 The dog went and get out and I was like, get it, Raven. 1865 01:14:58,139 --> 01:15:00,690 And she just stuck her head down and she was like, tracking the dog. 1866 01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:02,549 That was a fun moment. 1867 01:15:02,549 --> 01:15:02,875 Totally, totally. 1868 01:15:02,875 --> 01:15:05,340 Like she was having, she wasn't gonna hurt the dog, but she was 1869 01:15:05,340 --> 01:15:06,750 like totally tracking the dog. 1870 01:15:06,750 --> 01:15:07,680 Like she track a cow. 1871 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,549 Like that's what I mean. 1872 01:15:08,549 --> 01:15:09,869 Like that is, that's fun. 1873 01:15:10,230 --> 01:15:13,680 And I like to go play with cows sometimes. 1874 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:13,709 Oh. 1875 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:15,480 Like, it's so much fun. 1876 01:15:15,539 --> 01:15:18,900 And some horses don't like cows, but some do. 1877 01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:22,830 But I, it's a good like, break to go do something different going on for 1878 01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:28,170 a ride or go play with cows or go for a hack and like, just take the 1879 01:15:28,170 --> 01:15:30,090 time to enjoy like a beautiful day. 1880 01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:30,959 You 1881 01:15:30,959 --> 01:15:35,340 know, like with your horse, like we don't, um, you don't always 1882 01:15:35,340 --> 01:15:36,480 get to have those moments. 1883 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:36,990 Yeah. 1884 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:38,100 You can be taken away. 1885 01:15:38,639 --> 01:15:41,789 So something I try to not take for granted. 1886 01:15:42,059 --> 01:15:42,780 What do you mean by that? 1887 01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:43,379 When you say that 1888 01:15:45,299 --> 01:15:46,379 it can be taken away? 1889 01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:49,260 It can be an accident. 1890 01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:50,010 It can be. 1891 01:15:50,670 --> 01:15:52,860 An airplane, it could be a car crash, it can be 1892 01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:53,490 anything. 1893 01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:54,120 Anything. 1894 01:15:54,420 --> 01:15:54,510 Yeah. 1895 01:15:54,510 --> 01:15:55,830 We kind of take that for granted, hey. 1896 01:15:55,860 --> 01:15:56,100 Mm-hmm. 1897 01:15:56,754 --> 01:15:59,610 And I think again, we get so when, and get so narrow focused. 1898 01:15:59,610 --> 01:15:59,700 Mm-hmm. 1899 01:16:00,180 --> 01:16:02,250 Like we don't think of the bad, like Yeah. 1900 01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:05,820 And I'm thinking of even recently, like accidents that have happened in the event 1901 01:16:05,820 --> 01:16:09,809 and community, people who were seeking the highest levels that we're competing at the 1902 01:16:09,809 --> 01:16:12,840 highest levels and then all of a sudden their reality is completely shifted. 1903 01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:17,190 Won a trophy in her name this past weekend, you know, so, wow. 1904 01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:19,590 Don't you share with everyone who would talk That was Liz Halladay. 1905 01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:24,090 Um, and you know, that that was a, Hey, 1906 01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:28,170 that was totally like a, it can be taken away from you. 1907 01:16:28,170 --> 01:16:28,180 Mm-hmm. 1908 01:16:28,215 --> 01:16:29,250 In a split second. 1909 01:16:29,309 --> 01:16:31,620 She just rode at the Olympics. 1910 01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:32,430 Yeah. 1911 01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:38,010 Um, and you know, so that's, I try to never take anything for granted. 1912 01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:40,620 So I think that's really important. 1913 01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:46,680 I feel like that's such a good place I want to wrap up with. 1914 01:16:47,685 --> 01:16:48,645 Rapid fire questions. 1915 01:16:48,675 --> 01:16:50,265 'cause I'm really excited to hear your clear. 1916 01:16:50,265 --> 01:16:50,295 Okay. 1917 01:16:51,495 --> 01:16:54,045 I know we didn't get through a lot of questions, but I actually, I love 1918 01:16:54,045 --> 01:16:55,605 the depth that we could go into. 1919 01:16:55,755 --> 01:16:56,025 Okay. 1920 01:16:56,145 --> 01:17:00,165 Because you have, again, that wide lens that I love so much. 1921 01:17:02,955 --> 01:17:03,315 Okay. 1922 01:17:04,965 --> 01:17:07,635 If you could read one book to the horse world, what would it be? 1923 01:17:08,745 --> 01:17:09,105 Ooh. 1924 01:17:09,645 --> 01:17:13,365 I could read one horse book, probably one of Lucinda's. 1925 01:17:13,725 --> 01:17:14,055 Yeah. 1926 01:17:14,205 --> 01:17:14,625 Yeah. 1927 01:17:14,685 --> 01:17:15,315 Lucinda Green. 1928 01:17:15,375 --> 01:17:15,735 Yeah. 1929 01:17:16,035 --> 01:17:17,205 Uh, probably Foursquare. 1930 01:17:17,625 --> 01:17:17,865 Okay. 1931 01:17:18,465 --> 01:17:19,125 Very good one. 1932 01:17:19,725 --> 01:17:22,125 Who is the most iconic horse in history? 1933 01:17:24,945 --> 01:17:25,635 ePlus. 1934 01:17:27,405 --> 01:17:27,645 Sorry. 1935 01:17:27,645 --> 01:17:28,335 I love that answer. 1936 01:17:29,505 --> 01:17:31,395 Pretty sure David also had that answer. 1937 01:17:31,455 --> 01:17:32,175 Oh, really? 1938 01:17:32,175 --> 01:17:32,415 Yeah. 1939 01:17:32,415 --> 01:17:33,495 There's been a few cephas. 1940 01:17:33,825 --> 01:17:34,965 I mean, it's a really good answer. 1941 01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:37,065 I just, if you think of history, I mean, 1942 01:17:37,215 --> 01:17:37,485 yeah. 1943 01:17:37,815 --> 01:17:40,305 Most undervalued skill as a rider, 1944 01:17:41,115 --> 01:17:43,635 I think it's important to learn about, uh, farrier work. 1945 01:17:44,385 --> 01:17:44,655 Oh. 1946 01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:46,934 Um, I'm expecting that. 1947 01:17:47,085 --> 01:17:47,475 Feet. 1948 01:17:47,684 --> 01:17:48,135 Feet, 1949 01:17:48,495 --> 01:17:49,095 hey. 1950 01:17:49,125 --> 01:17:49,575 Yeah. 1951 01:17:49,695 --> 01:17:50,235 Um, 1952 01:17:50,295 --> 01:17:51,345 don't you do your horse's feet? 1953 01:17:51,434 --> 01:17:52,485 I trim a lot of mine. 1954 01:17:52,605 --> 01:17:52,965 Yeah. 1955 01:17:52,965 --> 01:17:54,045 I feel like someone told me that. 1956 01:17:54,105 --> 01:17:54,585 Yeah. 1957 01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:58,755 And I, I, um, I think it's really important to learn. 1958 01:17:58,755 --> 01:18:03,705 I mean, and I love and respect my, I I don't know how they do their job. 1959 01:18:03,825 --> 01:18:04,965 'cause I'm like dying after, 1960 01:18:04,965 --> 01:18:08,745 like it's a very, I have trimmed a little bit and it is physical. 1961 01:18:08,745 --> 01:18:08,835 Mm-hmm. 1962 01:18:09,165 --> 01:18:09,645 Right. 1963 01:18:09,645 --> 01:18:13,335 And I've had a couple of horses that I, I've had to maintain their 1964 01:18:13,335 --> 01:18:16,425 soundness, so I did like glue-ons and then a couple, so, and I've 1965 01:18:16,425 --> 01:18:18,615 taught myself how to nail on shoes. 1966 01:18:18,675 --> 01:18:19,184 Nice. 1967 01:18:19,215 --> 01:18:21,195 Um, I think that's really important. 1968 01:18:21,195 --> 01:18:25,605 As an event rider, I think everyone should ride with a fa I was able 1969 01:18:25,605 --> 01:18:29,985 to ride in the trek with a farrier and, you know, learn a good bit. 1970 01:18:29,985 --> 01:18:32,265 And every time my farrier's there, I'm always watching. 1971 01:18:32,595 --> 01:18:33,045 Cool. 1972 01:18:33,405 --> 01:18:40,665 And I think it's really important to watch and learn and, um, yeah, I think sometimes 1973 01:18:40,665 --> 01:18:42,465 it's taken for granted sometimes. 1974 01:18:42,555 --> 01:18:43,395 Oh, big time. 1975 01:18:43,425 --> 01:18:44,775 Um, and. 1976 01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:47,490 I think it's, you know, no foot, no horse. 1977 01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:48,780 Amen. 1978 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:50,280 That, I like that answer. 1979 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:54,510 Who is the greatest horseman or horse woman in history? 1980 01:19:00,690 --> 01:19:01,800 There's a lot of them. 1981 01:19:04,050 --> 01:19:05,550 I'll just shout out Lucinda Green. 1982 01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:05,970 Yeah. 1983 01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:14,880 I, what I love about Lucinda, she's all, she's very open and she's so passionate. 1984 01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:19,860 I mean, she could have traveled all day long from England and she's, she wants 1985 01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:21,630 to watch and she wants to learn and 1986 01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:22,200 mm-hmm. 1987 01:19:22,260 --> 01:19:26,340 You know, she'll, she's just always trying to learn more and more information. 1988 01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:26,730 Yeah. 1989 01:19:26,910 --> 01:19:33,960 Um, about horses and why and how and, um, I think that's really important 1990 01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:37,110 that like constant ever learner. 1991 01:19:37,170 --> 01:19:37,470 Yeah. 1992 01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:37,980 Mm-hmm. 1993 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:38,970 For me. 1994 01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:40,470 Okay. 1995 01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:43,830 And the last question, which I feel like I know the answer, but I'll be curious. 1996 01:19:44,565 --> 01:19:46,095 Me stallions or geldings? 1997 01:19:46,455 --> 01:19:47,145 Geldings. 1998 01:19:49,515 --> 01:19:51,885 I just love my goofy boys. 1999 01:19:52,455 --> 01:19:53,445 They're silly. 2000 01:19:53,955 --> 01:19:59,475 Um, like I have my babies right now, like I've got two, I've got a gelding, a cult, 2001 01:19:59,475 --> 01:20:01,455 and a Phil, of course, my cult sack. 2002 01:20:01,515 --> 01:20:06,165 And, and the, I'm just a boy mama, like. 2003 01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:07,530 Don't get me wrong. 2004 01:20:07,530 --> 01:20:10,770 I love my Phillies and all, but, and there's something about a boy mom, 2005 01:20:11,370 --> 01:20:15,120 you know what I've started wondering whether geldings are like the cup fillers. 2006 01:20:15,210 --> 01:20:15,420 Mm. 2007 01:20:15,540 --> 01:20:17,014 And the mares are like the mentors. 2008 01:20:17,275 --> 01:20:17,695 Mm-hmm. 2009 01:20:17,775 --> 01:20:19,590 Like they're the ones that are like, keep you in check. 2010 01:20:19,889 --> 01:20:20,250 Yes. 2011 01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:21,510 And the geling, they keep you sharp. 2012 01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:21,840 Yeah. 2013 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,500 They keep you sharp. 2014 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,370 They keep you on your game 2015 01:20:23,370 --> 01:20:25,830 because then you have the geldings that act like mares. 2016 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:26,340 Yes. 2017 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,350 You know, that are as sensitive as a marere. 2018 01:20:28,380 --> 01:20:28,680 Yes. 2019 01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:31,889 Uh, you know, and so you need to have that experience with mares. 2020 01:20:32,309 --> 01:20:37,110 Um, and my top horse in the barn is a mare and I love her so much. 2021 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:41,760 I don't know if I could have two bees, you know, she's a queen for a reason. 2022 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,210 Yes. 2023 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,040 You know, um, there's only one. 2024 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:51,000 Uh, but yeah, I, I'm, I'm a goofy, goofy gelding for sure. 2025 01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:53,880 But I, I also love my mares, but I love a good stallion. 2026 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,230 Stallions are really cool too. 2027 01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:58,110 'cause like they're fledge was a stallion when I first got 'em. 2028 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:01,139 So, um, that like type of. 2029 01:21:04,230 --> 01:21:04,860 There's, oh, 2030 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:05,340 there's just 2031 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:05,700 that 2032 01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:06,390 bravado 2033 01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:06,750 that 2034 01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:06,809 they 2035 01:21:06,809 --> 01:21:07,230 have. 2036 01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:10,650 That quality you get in a stallion is like, 2037 01:21:11,460 --> 01:21:11,790 yeah. 2038 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,250 So I think they're all pretty incredible. 2039 01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:16,590 But yeah, I'll probably lean to team gelding. 2040 01:21:16,590 --> 01:21:18,210 Yeah, I'm team goofy. 2041 01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:20,460 Goofy gelding, for sure. 2042 01:21:20,850 --> 01:21:21,000 Yeah. 2043 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,740 Well, Elisa, thank you so much for coming. 2044 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:23,700 Yeah, absolutely. 2045 01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:24,480 Thanks for having me. 2046 01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:27,000 Boom. 2047 01:21:27,450 --> 01:21:28,410 Like a boss.

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