313 | Art of the Session: Setting Up the CCPT Playroom With Purpose and Integrity

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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In today's episode,

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we are moving into a new series.

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Last year,

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we did a Summer School Series and it was

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met with very positive feedback.

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That was a huge hit of a series.

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So we are going to do another summer series this year.

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This year is called Art of the Session.

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Yes,

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that's a play on Art of the Relationship for those of you that caught that.

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So this series is going to be about

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all things related to

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what needs to be

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for sessions to take place.

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And here's why

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we're talking about this.

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I've mentioned before the CCPT skills pyramid.

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And I went through the 4 levels,

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so you have the clinical skills at the bottom.

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And if you think about the pyramid,

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obviously it's going to come to an apex,

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yes,

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so really big at the bottom are the clinical skills.

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Then there's applied skills next,

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then there's refined skills,

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and then there's insight skills

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and I briefly touched on all of those

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and I've spoken about those in different workshops,

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but we've spent a lot of time

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doing all of the clinical skills.

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And I want to start moving in the direction

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of the application

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of some of these clinical skills,

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because first of all,

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there's always new listeners.

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Second of all,

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for those of you that have been around the block with me

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so many times,

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it is always helpful to have a refresher

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of some of the things that we've already learned,

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and I want this to be

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a summer series where

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we can take what we know clinically and

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actually make sure that we're practically applying it.

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And what I'm seeing over and over,

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especially in some of the play sessions that I'm watching,

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what I'm noticing is people that are very grounded in clinical skills

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are missing some of the application

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either because it's never been discussed,

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they've never been trained in it,

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it's not been made clear,

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so that's what this summer series is about.

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Art of the Session,

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what do we need

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to really make sure that our sessions are the best that they can be.

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So,

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let's talk about the playroom.

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I know that not everyone has their dream playroom.

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In fact,

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I would argue most CCPTs do not have their dream playroom.

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And I also am aware that often we are relegated to whatever spare

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closet,

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janitorial room,

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storage space,

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conference room,

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library.

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I've heard it all,

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y'all.

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You would not believe where CCPTs all over this world are trying to conduct

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play sessions.

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I know that often the environment is not ideal.

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I know it is not necessarily the way that we would choose.

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However,

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I want us to at least know what it needs to be

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to the

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most that we're able to get there.

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It may not be perfect.

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It may not be fully the way that it is recommended,

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but we need to do everything we can to know what a playroom should look like,

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how it,

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how it should be set up,

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what it needs to include,

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and the purpose behind all of these

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expectations.

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So first and foremost,

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the ideal playroom

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per Landreth is about 12 by 15.

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That is big enough for the child to have room to play,

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but small enough that it doesn't feel like this massive vacant space

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that isn't contained.

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So anything smaller than that

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could be a little bit difficult for a child to have freedom to do active play.

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Anything bigger than that,

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it feels like there's just

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too much room and it's not necessarily

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safe and cocoon-like enough.

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So 12 by 15 around that dimension is ideal.

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We also need to be mindful

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that when we are setting up our playroom.

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Regardless of where it is,

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regardless of the space.

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The intention is that it is neutral.

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And what I mean by that is,

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we want it to be a space where every child

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can make it his or her own.

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If we paint bold colors on a wall,

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if we paint murals on a wall,

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if we have phrases on a wall,

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if we have posters on a wall,

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if we have artwork on a wall,

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if we have anything on a wall.

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That is no longer neutral.

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So the purpose of setting up your playroom is not to decorate it,

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it's not to make it look like kids belong there.

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It's not to have giraffes and hippos and elephants,

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nor is it to have blocks,

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ABC blocks on the wall,

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nor is it to have little sayings,

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you know,

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I know all the places that you'll go,

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Doctor Seuss,

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whatever.

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The goal is complete neutrality.

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We want neutral paint.

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We want neutral walls with nothing on them.

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Why?

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Because the child needs to feel that it can be what they need or want it to be.

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This brings me to.

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We also do not

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have anything that a child makes

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displayed in the playroom.

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If they make art projects,

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if they paint,

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if they color,

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if they draw,

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if they make paper airplanes,

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if they make origami,

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if they make garlands,

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if they make snowflakes,

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if they make pipe cleaner creations,

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if they make pom-pom towers,

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whatever.

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They are not displayed or kept in a playroom.

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Why?

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Because the next child that comes in,

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it's no longer neutral.

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And the premise of this is, Landreth talks about this,

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that would be like putting

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psychotherapy notes up on a wall.

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There's confidentiality in what a child makes in a playroom

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that is just between you and the child.

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And so even if they ask to keep it with you,

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you can keep it,

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but it should not remain in the playroom and I've seen so many playrooms

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where there are like essentially clotheslines strung up

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across the walls and there's 900 pieces of artwork

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clothes pinned across these.

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Clotheslines and then there's stuff on the windows and there's stuff

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on the shelves and there's stuff that kids have made.

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That is no longer CCPT.

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So we need to be very intentional

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about the neutrality

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of the playroom.

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Because that's the whole premise that the child comes

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in and every single child feels at home there.

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You realize if you paint

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polka dots on your wall,

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not every kid is going to like that.

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You paint stripes on your wall,

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not every kid's going to like that.

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You paint your walls purple,

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not every kid is going to like that.

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The goal is

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blank neutrality.

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And therefore every child

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can feel comfortable

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in their playroom.

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You do realize that every time a child walks in your playroom,

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it feels like it's theirs and only theirs.

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they know other kids come,

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they know other kids play with you.

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But it feels like theirs for that hour as it should.

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It doesn't when there's a whole bunch of stuff from other kids and there's a whole

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bunch of artwork on the walls and there's a whole bunch of crafts on display.

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Now that feels like a whole bunch of other people's playroom.

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So that's a really important piece.

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there needs to be a rug

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on the floor in a playroom.

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It needs to be clear

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that there is a boundary

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for where play can take place.

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It doesn't matter what kind of flooring you have,

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whether it's carpet or hardwood or linoleum or laminate or whatever,

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it doesn't matter.

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You have a rug on the floor,

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and that makes it clear that

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that is a play area boundary.

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It's also comfortable.

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Kids spend a lot of time on playroom floors,

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so if you have a rug in there

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that's comfortable on their knees,

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on their hands when they lay down,

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when they crouch,

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when they do all the things that they do,

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there's a comfort factor,

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but it's very clear that there's a visual space

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for where play

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can happen.

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Now it can take place off of the rug too,

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but that just gives that defining visual boundary for a play area.

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many of you have sand trays in your room.

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In true CCPT fashion,

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it is a sandbox.

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We haven't talked about this.

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I wanna make this really clear.

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It doesn't matter whether it's on a on a stand.

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And it's higher or if it's on the ground,

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if we are treating it as a CCPT tool.

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If we are using a sand tray

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from any other theoretical model,

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meaning if we have Jungian sandtray

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background,

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if we have Adlerian sand play background,

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if we have any kind of directive or prescriptive background in sand work,

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that should not be brought into a CCPT playroom.

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In the full and pure CCPT model,

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there's a sandbox on the floor.

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Therefore,

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kids can get in it,

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they can play in it,

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they can put toys in it.

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So it serves the same purpose,

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whether it's on a stand or on the floor.

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But there is no expectation of how the sand is to be used.

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They're not given prompts.

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They're not told to name their world.

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They're not told to choose figures that represent their family members.

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They're not asked to describe what's happening in the world.

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It's a tool and a toy just like anything else in a CCPT playroom.

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They can choose to play in the sand or not.

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They can choose to put toys and miniatures in the sand or not.

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most of the CCPT playrooms at their purest form will have a box on the floor.

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You could certainly put a sand tray on the floor

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and it would serve the same purpose.

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It would just not be as big.

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But that needs to be made clear as well,

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because often people will try to incorporate,

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quote,

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sand play

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into a CCPT playroom,

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and that is anti-theoretical.

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It's just like anything else in the room,

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the child can choose to play with it or not.

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So I wanna make that really clear.

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Also,

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the setup of your toys.

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There is purpose and intention in the way you lay out your playroom.

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you have a U-shaped configuration.

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has a category of toys on it.

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which is why we're talking about this.

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We have acting out aggressive toys,

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we have real life toys,

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and we have creative artistic expressive toys.

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So if you walk into the room.

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you're going to have your acting out aggressive toys on the left wall,

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your real life toys on the middle wall,

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and your creative artistic expressive toys on your right wall.

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That creates your U.

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And what this does is it makes sense to a child's brain.

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That all of the acting out aggressive toys are over here

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and all of the real life toys are over here

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and all of the creative artistic toys are over here.

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If you have handcuffs next to baby dolls,

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next to markers,

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next to puppets,

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next to swords,

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next to

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tigers and hollow sharks,

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next to deer and baby chickens.

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That subconsciously is overwhelming and confusing for a child.

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that the toys are grouped

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intentionally

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so that it makes sense.

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depending on the footprint of your items,

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depending on the size of your items,

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depending on where there are doors and windows and other things in your room.

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It's not always possible to fully

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have those categories exclusively grouped together.

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you might have to have,

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based on the size of it,

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you might have to have your puppet theater

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in one corner of the room

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and that may be kind of where the aggressive toys are on that wall.

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the puppet theater goes where it has to go.

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But as much as possible,

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you want to make sure that your toys are grouped.

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According to category,

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and they function in that U configuration.

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you wanna make sure that once your toys are set up,

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there's consistency and predictability

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with where they are when kids come into the playroom.

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So if you have your army cubby,

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for example,

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and you have all of your army related stuff in the

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2nd cubby from the floor all the way to the left.

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That's where your army stuff needs to be every single week.

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If you have your police stuff

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right next to that.

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You want to have all of your police stuff in that same cubby every single week.

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They don't have to be in exactly the same spot in the cubby,

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but kids need to be able to expect

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where the toys that they want to play with are going to be.

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This is another reason for the U configuration because

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you learn really quickly,

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all that aggressive stuff goes over there,

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all that real life stuff goes there,

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all that creative artistic stuff goes there.

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It's very easy to pick up your playroom

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when they're grouped according to category,

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and then it becomes predictable for the child.

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Which brings me to this is a huge piece

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your

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playroom and the session.

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You want to be consistent.

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You want to be stable,

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you want to be predictable.

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The playroom is going to look almost the same every single

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time you're going to say the same things every time.

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It's going to be laid out the same way every time.

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We don't introduce and change stuff in the playroom

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for this very reason,

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because

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kids need and want and crave.

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The predictability that the playroom affords them.

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So we're always trying to make sure that it is as static as possible.

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do things get moved do things get hidden do things get

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put back in different spots that we don't realize right away?

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of course,

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but again,

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as much as we are able,

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we're trying to make sure that it's predictable and consistent for our kids.

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And another note about the toys,

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they need to be inviting,

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which means

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they're not in packaging,

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they're not

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still unwrapped,

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they don't have tags on them,

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they don't have the cellophane from the store,

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they're inviting,

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which means they're ready to be used.

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They are visible,

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which means they're easily seen.

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And they are accessible,

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meaning they're within reach.

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You don't want stuff super high up where a kid can't reach it.

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You don't want shelving units that are so tall

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that you are forced to get something for a child

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and or they can't even see what's up there.

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You don't want things in bins,

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you don't want things in cupboards,

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you don't want things in baskets,

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you don't want things behind doors or drawers.

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As much as possible,

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you want them accessible,

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visible.

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And inviting

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A child needs to be able to access the things that they need or want to play with.

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It is prohibitive if they have to rummage through bins,

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if they have to dig through boxes,

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if they have to open stuff up to find stuff,

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if it's too high for them to even reach or see it.

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Now all of a sudden there are barriers to their play.

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And therefore we want to make sure that as much as possible,

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everything

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is within reach and ready to be used.

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And then

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finally,

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another thought about toys.

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You need to have

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your playroom set up

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and the toys within your playroom.

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Where it allows you to be permissive.

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In other words,

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you don't want stuff in your room

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that costs a lot of money.

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You don't want stuff in your room that you have an emotional attachment to?

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And you don't want stuff in your room that you

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have to constantly be worried about or try to protect.

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So if you are in an environment where there's all kinds of stuff that

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requires a lot of limits,

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see if you can find a different space.

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Because the premise of a CCPT playroom is

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there's freedom,

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there's autonomy,

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there's permissiveness.

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Do not buy a $300 doll house

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if that $300 is going to

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make you

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want to die inside every time a kid wants to throw it to the ground or stomp on it

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or

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hit it with a sword or whatever if you're thinking,

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oh my gosh,

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don't break my $300 doll house every time a kid goes to play with it.

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You shouldn't have bought a $300 dollhouse.

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Now,

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if,

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look,

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doll houses are not cheap,

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I get it.

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If you spend $300 on a doll house,

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you have to be OK with the fact that it might get ruined.

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Do not bring expensive stuff into the playroom that you feel compelled to protect.

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Don't have stuff that you have to constantly be worried about in your playroom.

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This is going to require either

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you can no longer accept the child's behavior

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and or you have to set too many limits.

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And that all of a sudden now is going to get in the way

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and be a barrier to the work that the child needs to do.

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So,

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that is my

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go to list of all things you need to know

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related to setting up your playroom and maintaining your playroom,

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so that it can be the most helpful and therapeutic environment

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that it can be

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for our kids.

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So I hope that that is helpful as we go through this summer series Art of the Session,

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we're going to be tackling all kinds of things

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and it's really going to hopefully equip you

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to make sure that everything about your session from

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the start to the end,

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from the first session to the last,

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everything about it,

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you know that you have

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intentional choices that you've made

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that are adherent to the model

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so that it supports you in your work.

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All right,

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if you want to reach out to me,

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I would love to hear from you,

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brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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If you'd want to ask a question,

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please email me and I'll be happy to cover it on an episode.

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I love y'all.

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Keep doing what you're doing,

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keep serving kids,

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keep serving families,

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keep working to be adherent to CCPT.

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It is incredible seeing what is going on.

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Oh my gosh,

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speaking of which,

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I just got an email today.

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Here's a little

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pep talk,

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make you feel good before we

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end for the day.

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I just got an email from Tracy in New Zealand.

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New Zealand just launched a new play therapy association

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and it is wholly CCPT.

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So I just went on the website,

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I checked it out,

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and New Zealand now has launched

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an association for play therapy

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that is 100% CCPT in theoretical orientation.

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So,

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Kia ora to all of my Kiwis and all of my people on the other side of the world,

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I'm so excited for you all and what

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an incredible moment of celebration for our field,

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for your country,

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for our kids.

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This is what we need more of in the world,

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people that get it,

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associations that support it,

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and the training that we all need and want.

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So,

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really excited for New Zealand.

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Tracy,

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thank you for emailing and letting me know that.

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And this is what we're working toward,

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y'all.

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One step at a time,

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we want to see changes like this take place across the world.

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Love y'all.

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We'll talk again soon.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.