Best of the Bus: Max Homa Explains Whether Or Not Golf Is A Real Sport + The Importance Of Caddies

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Speaker 1: We were talking about Rob Moujie, my high school buddy. He now legend. Well he's been mentioned on this podcast several time. Incredible guy. You know Rob, he's in the Gulf world. But we were talking about, uh, the sectomies. Yeah, so let's let's let's get over that real quick. How many kids do you have? You have one kid? How many more kids do you want?

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Speaker 2: No more than one more? Really?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not, I think, but I think it's a product that like I grew up in a two kid household, and that my wife she was cool with three because she grew up in a three kid household, but now she's pretty much on two.

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Speaker 2: I could do just one, I think.

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Speaker 3: But I'm also in like the three and a half I mean, you're in the three and a half month grind right now, where it's like it's just getting a little less hard, so I can see like the light at like, oh this is really fun. But so many people I feel like the day you have your kid, you're like it's a gray stay of your life, Like everything's just like gravy from here.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, I.

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Speaker 3: Think you guys forgot about how hard the month is where you don't sleep like at all, like not like like if you got an hour, you're like, oh man, I feel so good. And it's like you I think people forget. But now that you get that over that three month hump, I could see having the second one, but right away people like, oh man, like you know how many you gonna have?

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Speaker 2: I'm like the heaven one. Yeah, one. I'm cool, like this is impossible.

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Speaker 1: There's a you know, any Sandberg is a comedian. He was on a like a late talk show one time and he was talking about having a kid and as like your your wife is pregnant. One's like, it's a blessing. It's gonna be the greatest day of your life. And then once the kids born, everyone's like welcome to hell. Like they just trick you into like also getting into hell. That dude that first six months, I mean, Willi's coming up, his daughter's about to be a year. I got a five year old and already yeah I went.

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Speaker 3: You were like in my boat, how is your three? And almost for you almost months.

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Speaker 1: You get to that six month mark. Really like the first six months is like keep just keep it alive, like you gotta feed it, poop it, make sure, it's like breathing at all times. And then like once you get to six months, that's when like the personality really starts to show. You get the smiles when you walk in the door.

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Speaker 4: Tight.

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Speaker 1: But I got a five year old and it's like full blown, like it's my little buddy. We're ripping it. Yeah, we have conversations. She's in a pokemon like it's like a nice little it's a cool deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like int like having similar interests. You do have the pooping thing aligned. I do like to poop. Yeah, you already wipe me. But I'm saying he also likes it. Like that's our similarity, Like that's our link right now. But the problem is is like you know, he has someone wipe his own ass for him, and I still have to I have to do both of those things.

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Speaker 2: So that's where we're kind of misaligned.

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Speaker 3: Is I feel like it's like a it's like for him, it's just straight up for toy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to work a little bit, you know. Yeah yeah, yeah, so he hasn't reciproc but you.

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Speaker 1: Gotta get him another I don't want to take you to.

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Speaker 2: Get but like when you're in the beginning of it.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's just like the hardest thing to to think about because you're just like, man, what, I'm already marty in it. It's just as hard as I could possibly imagine that. We travel so much. Man, it's just like we just did our first lights what was that three weeks ago? And every time I like we do anything, I'm like, how do people do this with two fucking kids? So too, it's like I have the backpack with the stroller on, you know that you carry it like the satchel, and I mean, Lacy my wife was saying, I almost ran into like one hundred people, and I'm like, well, that's just their problem at this point because I'm overwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: So I can't imagine too.

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Speaker 3: But obviously you get to that point, I'm sure where it's like that it makes more sense than it seems reasonable at this point in time.

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Speaker 5: I right now, it's almost like you know you're about to take off. You can get in the bottle, you can kind of like, yeah, I have him on the carrier, but now that rue is like ten months, Like I gonna be honest. She was hell like, if we're if we're coming out of training camp, she's getting cut like flying down to Austin and flying over to Easy. Now, flying to Easy wasn't as bad. We got her to sleep down in the seat. But like they're just one to move and do everything else, like traveling. It's like a few hour flight.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad he's still immobile because I was not a full player. I'm not ready to chase something around. I walk, yeah, I can walk fast, but I don't. I don't jog a whole whole lot of times. So I'm a little scared for when I can't find him and he's just running away shitting and pissing and screaming. I'm cool with him in one place. I know when he screams now, I know exactly.

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Speaker 2: Where he is. Ya scared for the days where.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be like like Ron was telling me yesterday, he's like, you know they have to obviously, like his kid is a little over a year. I think two years, maybe get two years, and he uh, you know, he's like he's like he's trying to climb out of the crib, and I'm just like, that's the scariest I know my kid's gonna be right where I left him at all.

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Speaker 1: Times, so I can. I'm cool with that. It's a grind, dude, It's an absolute grind to have a kid. But I think he got going for you is I mean the boy made some bags. Yeah, a few weeks ago. That's a nice little deal right there. You keep doing that and no more South last Yeah, yeah, a nice little plane. Just go ahead, and hey, you can cry and run around wherever you want.

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Speaker 3: We did do that all the way home from from San Diego and it was really like, it was really relaxing. I will say, though, to all the parents out there who don't fly as often as I do and they feel bad when their kid like screams on a plane. I've been on as many planes as I think like anybody really has, and at some point I got over it's like they make noise canceling headphones.

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Speaker 4: Now, yes, bro, that's all.

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Speaker 1: You gotta brought that up yesterday.

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Speaker 3: It's a kid like they're gonna scream. I mean maybe when I was like twenty twenty one years old, I was a god. It's annoying. I got the kid behind me, but it's like they got noise can sling handles. I even thought like if I if I was just making crazy, crazy money.

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Speaker 2: I'll just buy everybody noise canceling headphones back.

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Speaker 1: Get a headphone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here you guys go. No complaining now though, Like I'm good, You're good.

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Speaker 5: It seems natural though, like I was like it would be internally in my head, I'm like, man, this kid, quiet down. But now that you're a parent, you're like, you know the parents, The parents are about way worse than you are, because there are parents who are like, man, you want to fuy down because you know how everybody else might feel because you were once there. What yeah, not like actually looking like people who look and give like faces.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yo, fuck you if you yeah, if it's like an older woman, it's always the older woman that kind of looks like what do you? What do you do? And say, man, you're sitting in the middle seat in Southwest if you had to see, it was gonna be a tough flight for you.

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Speaker 4: Regardless.

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Speaker 3: Disconnect. I do believe this. There's a disconnect because it is more expensive. It's public transportation. It's just a bus in the air. If I was on a bus and someone was screaming, I've been on bus. I lived in Berkeley for four years, I'm on bus where people are taking pisses in the aisle and it's like you just didn't even bat an eye. You go on the bart and there's just a homeless DUDEO lives there. It smells it terrible, But you're like, yeah, this public transportation. But for some reason, when you're up in the clouds, people to expect everybody to, you know, wear like a suit and tie and just read.

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Speaker 4: But like you're kind of like, it really is.

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Speaker 1: I want to know why people are pissing in the middle of the aisle of a bus.

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Speaker 4: You know, he said he grew up the Californi you got homeless people.

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Speaker 3: He's got a big homeless by relation, and you see a lot of ship and I mean that quite literally.

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Speaker 1: Well, like California is El Dorado for the homeless community that is, that is a place you really need to get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta everywhere's in ocean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people in Minnesota that are holmeless were like, have you heard about this place California? We could get there. Flyers like yeah, Okay, someday I'm gona head west for three years. You'll never do it.

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Speaker 3: Almost due to Minnesota. Last time I was there, and that guy's brave. Man, it gets fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: It's fucking cold in.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota, California. I mean, like if I was, I would just live in San Diego and it would be great. Yeah, I mean that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want, you can stumble over to Mexico real quick. But a PJ. You have a couple of nice shows coming back. A lot of entertainment down there in southern California, a lot of entertainment. What do you live in San Diego now?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: I'm twenty minutes from here, but I I grew up in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: But we've been here four years now.

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Speaker 1: You a Paradise Valley guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm Arcadia.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, Arcadia is south of Paradise Valley, Money Valley. It's like Arcadia is like it's like the nicest area of Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Cave Creek.

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Speaker 3: No way. Yeah, so we just moved Arcadia. We were living up by like where TPC is. We were living by like Kierlin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for a while. But uh, Arcadie feels kind of like California.

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Speaker 1: Like you guys had those kind of vibes. It's weird, like love down a neighborhood in Arcadia and it'll be like lush.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's cool. It's a cool set up for for Arizona. It's different, but yeah it is. It has been funny living down there because like there is a I'm not forty towty guy, but but our forty twenty people down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, I just got a little north I know. But Cave Creek it's more salt of the earth.

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 3: But I just kept my wife and I can't do they. I haven't fallen in love with the cactus yet.

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 4: Better. I think that's fair. Yeah, I know you take take a lot of pride in the cacti.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like all we got, all we got out.

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Speaker 3: Here that they can differentiate the cacti, which I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just like, it's just a cactus. Yeah, there's lots of the choy I think is how long you've heard about the jumping toil Yeah, hey, fuck them up right now. Yeah, we'll blame them the called jumping jumping. They're like basically like the defense mechanism. Defense mechanism of a choy is if you get close to it, it'll literally lean into you and then get you so it'll get you away from it. And it's one of those things like if you like touch it, it breaks off real easily, so it'll be like all over your hands and arms and stuff like that. And they're like they like they look like big bushes and you can just like stacks of just prickles everywhere.

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Speaker 3: My buddy put his foot over one once it was on the ground. He put his foot over it, kind of screwing around like oh, I'm gonna step on it.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, but holy fuck, yeah, Like what's the point of those things, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what kind of value are they adding? Though I'm sure they do.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm sure somebody somebody's out there pissed off right now.

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Speaker 4: Like how does will fucking not know?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I think the choy is like only here here in like New Mexico. Yeah, Like it's kind of like a it's a rare thing.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting how long cactuses can live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fun thing too. Wars like two hundred years old. It's wild. But that's what this is not, what this podcast is not about. You are, so you're at the way you're doing the waste management. Obviously you gotta be. We're thinking about we're thinking about Saturday right now, we're thinking about Saturday. Yeah, And then so how does like waste management? To me growing up here? Last year? What's that he hit one last year?

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Speaker 4: You got it? You got one last year?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you hold one? No? That was Sam right, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's that's just that's just us not doing our homework, because I legit I was sitting with Will there being like, damn, did he really get a hole in one? But that like, how does the waste management? How is it different from things like Augusta and like other places, because it seems like it literally is out of like happy Gil No, it's as.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is. Shooter mcgavan would struggle here. So that's how I put in context. They don't tell you exactly how many people come to the gates, but I know roughly so on a on a given even a good, good golf tournament day, like I would say Farmers Insurance two weeks ago, final round probably had that's where he made twenty five thirty thousand people, Yeah, which feels.

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Speaker 2: Like a lot at a golf tournament.

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Speaker 3: It's spread out, but feels like a lot Saturday at the waste Management this week we'll probably have two hundred and fifty thousand people. It's like the top five six sporting event in a day, and it's all week. I mean yesterday, Yesterday's Monday. It's a first day of the course is open to practice or sorry for the fans. But typically even some of the events don't even open and you know you'll trickle in like a few people on Mes some Monday people have jobs. I mean yesterday was still chaos. I mean, it's so many people. So it's different. But my story that explains it. We call it all the golfers call it a party that a golf tournament broke out at. So it's like if we were here drinking, then all of a sudden, you're like, you know, you want to go mess around on that putting green.

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Speaker 2: And like that's that's like the scale.

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Speaker 3: So my first year ever playing at I I t off on Thursday off the back nine and sixteen's you know right where like everyone filters in through ten, they walk past ten, past eleven and filter into sixteen and.

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Speaker 4: I walk off the tea.

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Speaker 3: I got, you know, all my golf clothes, arm Spike's on, looking like a professional golfer. I got my caddie carrying the clubs, looking like a caddie. And there's a huge line of people and there's these two attractive women in front of me, and I say excuse me, and they're in like heels and dresses and all this.

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Speaker 2: Shit, and and they like look at me and look back away.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, excuse me, like I'm trying to get through to the fairway, and she gave me like the I have a boyfriend look, and I was like, what the fuck.

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Speaker 2: Are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Like I'm working, like you're here because there's a golf room. But most of the people don't even like that's not even part of it, Like that's not the vibe.

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Speaker 2: I mean they have clubs like I have my buddy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys know the you know he's just Mike now, but Mike's stud and all those we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of the he's been a few times.

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Speaker 3: They rolled through last year, him Blue and all the boy and I got them passes. It's thing called the Greenskeeper. It's left of eighteen and it's like I've never been. I've never got this like see anything. But it's kind of like a day club, like outdoor day club. And he's like, hey, I'm gonna come out uh And I was like, okay, I got you guys these wrist bands and he'said, no, we want to play watch you play golf. I said okay, but I was like, we'll let you know, like it's really fun like every day, but especially Saturday, like, don't feel obligated to come watch me play, like get in there. So I text him after I was like, hey, man, sorry, like I didn't say high, like there's.

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Speaker 2: Just a lot of people out there.

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: He goes, he's like I think he text.

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Speaker 3: Me two days later because he was like never even left the greenskeeper, like it was just too much fun because it's just like beer gardens, so like people don't even know there's golf going on sixteen, you know.

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Speaker 2: But you're there just to boo and get really drunk.

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Speaker 3: And it's different from anything ever, because every other golf tournament is the it's the golf tournament. It's the priority in this case, like that is the alcohol is the priorities?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's especially that's sixteenth it's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, it's insane.

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Speaker 5: How do you get go ahead, bub, I'm just gonna say how you feel about everyone starting to throw all that alcohol onto the so I like the green, like how it was like chaos.

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Speaker 2: It was a little mud. So basically they had to change it this year.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go out here and say it's like life and dead dangerous, but I mean people are chucking, you know, hands at you that are full of beer and like, you know cold. My buddy cold got hit with one last year and he's like, didn't feel good. I don't mind it. It's it's crazy. I like this. This is good for golf. I don't think every week, but it's good for golf. But they are putting cups and solo cups this year, so if you do chuck them at least like we're not gonna get beaned. But I don't know, I like it. It's fun, It's it's it's chaos. It's crazy. It's like we golf is such like an older, older person's sport that like making it younger and all this and that whatever. The only problem with last year that we got a little of that they're starting to do it for anything. Like they crave. It's like you pradas the chaos, and they're like they're like, man, if he if he makes this thirty footer, we're gonna throw it. And then they'll miss and he's like he taps it in though we'll throw it too. It's like yeah, okay, or you know, like make it make like for the home one, like go nuts for a bunker shot. You make go nuts, long pup go nuts. It did feel like last year was kind of like anything we can possibly make happen and make worth it, we're gonna do it. But it's cool, man, it's a it's rare. I have my favorite funniest stories from this event, and last year was up there with the most humanizing and also kind of funny thing ever. But I was in a late group on Saturday, I think, and we get to fifteen, I'm making like a little charge and uh, I don't know why the people who set the tournament up did this, but there's a ported body like on the tee and it is really close to a lot of people, and you know, obviously they're quite noisy.

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Speaker 2: And I had a healthy stream that day, so I.

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Speaker 3: Hop in there and everyone watches me go in there, and I could hear people like, you know, chanting as I'm like in the bathroom, and it's like really uncomfortable, and I get out and I just get like, I mean, they're already standing, but it's still like a standing ovation like a roar happens as I leave this bathroom. I looked at Joe and I'm like, dude, I don't even feel like a pucket person anymore. For a piss like they got. Didn't have to take a ship because like that, it just doesn't have been a tough one in there. So you have that. I've had my favorite heckles have been at this one. U. So it's a great event. It's just, uh, it's very different.

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Speaker 1: Is it a when you're looking at like your first couple of times doing the waste management, is there like a level of fomo that you had at any point? Being like these people are having every incredible time every year. I remember, like I don't know about you, but like being on the buses going to like college foot blun steing all these all these people tail getting Like damn, I've never been to a tailgat.

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Speaker 2: I got to do all the tail getting. Yeah, so we roll reverse it is hard. Man.

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Speaker 3: I guess like last year I got I got all these friends in town. Uh and like one night, you know, like again invited to go to dinner with like Golf who I'm buddies with, and Yelich and all like just like my favorite like coolest athlete friends who we keep up with each other, but I never get to see them because they're busy. When when when I'm not busy and I'm busy when they're busy, And they're like, man, we're going out to bottle blonde a night. You know, I know it's probably hard, but you want to come. And I'm just like fuck you, yeah, like I want to know. But and then they're like, no, you're not coming. I'm like I know, but like you just all the parties are this week and it's so much fun and everyone's out and watching people like just drink while we're all golfing and just seem like truly having the time of their lives while I'm just like wrestling between making bogies birdies and bars.

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's just not nearly as fun. Yeah, changing diapers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Now this week's super Bowl week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's super Bowl every year it's just crazier. But I don't know, man, I have fomo every year at this event, but there have been times like my favorite, like like last year is Saturday, my last like five holes is my like one of my favorite things that's happened to me and golf, just because when you do perform in front of those people, you guys would would get this more. We don't get this very often, but it's like the rush of it is well, you know, it's worth not drinking the beers.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's still times where I'm like, god, dang, it looks pretty, you know. If I get it on like a little bogie around, I'm like, I could just be out there right now, like, yeah, well I got full act. I got this little credential gets me everywhere. I could be doing all the coolest stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's a it's a good trade off.

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Speaker 5: Here's a question, how important in the scheme of Jay rankings and all that is the waste management. That's what I'm thinking, is this, why not become the golfer it's drinking while you're playing.

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Speaker 1: John Daly, Oh he does that. He smokes cigarettes and drinks. He's the fine because you're not allowed to.

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Speaker 2: Drinks or not we're not allowed to Yeah, maybe that'll be a.

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Speaker 1: Rule we could knock down just for this tournament. Just like that's weird when you go to a dusta. I've never been, but it's like the hot dogs are still the same prices the day they open. They have like message Yeah, like like presidents and like senators can like golf on this place other than pro golfers, Like why not make the waste management like the ultimate like fuck you to golf in a way that like takes this these younger generations and it's like, oh, we want to do this ship.

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Speaker 2: This is awesome, not a terrible. Yeah, we could have a one innovator.

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Speaker 4: Golf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like you guys, watch the Wire.

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Speaker 1: I've not seen a lot. There's so many shows out there now that are amazing, Like Last of Us is now a thing that everyone's watching.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: But they have a thing called Hamsterdam where like the in Baltimore, they made like you could do drugs in this one square mile you could do whatever you wanted. There was no rules, and like that's what this event should be. It's like, yeah, the one place where like, well we'll turn a blind eye to this.

00:19:36
Speaker 1: That's perfect. Captioning. Maxholma thinks heroin should be allowed. Yeah, no drugs.

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Speaker 4: You brought that up. What's one rule you would change?

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Speaker 2: In golf man?

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Speaker 3: Big Cat. Big Cat did say something on part of my take once. I don't know if you guys ever heard that one, but where he said that you should be allowed to fight one fanny year.

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Speaker 2: Any sport.

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Speaker 3: And I was like last year at the PGA in Oklahoma, I was telling Joe my caddy about that rule because there's this fucking guy that was just wearing me out for like six holes in a row. He's clearly just walking with us, and I was just like do. I was like, that's the fucking guy, Like, that's my guy. But you have to be smart about it because I'm not like a super large man. I'd pick a small guy and I just go to town. And I think I think that would be that would be a good one. Obviously pretty pretty unrealistic, unrealistic rule change, but definitely something if we thought of.

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Speaker 2: I do think that I do think that like live towards doing it. Like shorts.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind, like you could wear shorts. It makes us seem like at least a little less dorky, although some people got like very white legs.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I the the real one is I guess the real one I would do is like range finders, the lasers you shoot the pin distance wise, I would use because if everyone has one, I don't see the advantage of it. So it's like, might as well do it. It'll speak things up to an extent, makes things easier on everybody.

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Speaker 2: That one seems pretty basic, but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Is it.

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: Speaking of like fighting, guys, is there a golfer that you would, given the opportunity, would maybe throw hands with?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I get yeah, I mean it could be anybody.

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Speaker 1: Is somebody on the front of your mind. You can say them, you don't have to say him. Who do you think you could take in the tour? I could take like I could take a lot of I was.

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Speaker 2: I was. I'm blessed.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a boxer growing up, so he taught me at a box. I'm very unassuming, like I know I could at least I'm also not scared to get my ass beat like that at some point. Yeah, like like like we fought obviously, you guys are all.

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Speaker 2: Gonna kick my ass.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm cool with that, but like I'd rather do that than like run, So I'm gonna at least stand in there and take a few.

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Speaker 2: Uh. But yeah, I mean think that there's a lot of guys on tour.

00:21:59
Speaker 3: I would I would, I would like my chance against But it's not like I dislike that many people, or really anybody enough to just be like I'm just gonna bite him. But I mean there's times when you're pissed off and it's kind of just any when you make like four bogies in a row, it's kind of just anybody.

00:22:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody's wrong.

00:22:15
Speaker 2: I'm ready right now. My dad always had this joke.

00:22:17
Speaker 3: I wore a or this ugly ass pink shirt when I was a junior golfer and this guy we were leaving the course.

00:22:23
Speaker 2: I paid so bad.

00:22:25
Speaker 3: I'm so mad, steaming in the front seat. I'm probably like fifteen sixteen, and this guy cuts off my dad. He's usually like a little more of the hot head than me, and I start yelling at the car.

00:22:35
Speaker 2: The guy in front. My dad goes. My dad goes, if you.

00:22:38
Speaker 3: Want to get out, you can get out, and he was like, could you imagine like on the news, like like golfer and pink shirt just beats the hell out of some road raged driver. And I was like, yeah, this probably wasn't gonna go that way. I probably you know, end up flat on my back. But we have no I've always been scared of a golfer actually fighting another because like, we just had a tee throwing incident a year a week ago in Dubai. We have Rory McElroy and uh Patrick Reed. Patrick Greed like flicked a tee towards Rory and it was a humongous story, which is pretty sad. And uh, I'm really nervous that if we ever anybody did get in a real altercation. We just never make things look cool, and we can't make fighting look cool. Like there's just no way since two golfers are actually gonna have like a real fistfight that you're like, oh wow, you know it's gonna be like oh boy, you know, like, oh that was a bad look for all of us.

00:23:36
Speaker 2: So I hope we view you know, it would bring viewers, it would.

00:23:40
Speaker 3: Cringe and like kind of be like okay, you know I did indeed to see that. So I feel like It's good that most of us are are smart enough not to ever really even get into a hold me back situation.

00:23:52
Speaker 2: We we avoid it at all costs.

00:23:54
Speaker 5: Is there an internal rivalry that you have that your opponent doesn't even know he's a part.

00:23:59
Speaker 2: Of multiple but not in a I don't like them?

00:24:04
Speaker 3: Why just like when I would want to beat him way uh man Tom kim uh And he has the same thing. I know he does because his Caddy is one of my best friends. I know he has the same thing. But we played singles at Presidents CuPy. The sad part is sce he's twenty, I'm thirty two.

00:24:21
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on one second, yes, sir, I don't well.

00:24:27
Speaker 4: Oh so are you gonna abide by the what you're being told?

00:24:30
Speaker 2: Hey, Dave gonna meet you.

00:24:35
Speaker 1: We're doing We're well in lying, brother, No, we're just trying to do our part.

00:24:42
Speaker 2: Because we're doing. We're doing you know why we're doing And we've got people coming up be like, you can't talk.

00:24:47
Speaker 4: Do you know why we're doing this down here? Because we're doing the rundown right yesterday?

00:24:52
Speaker 2: Because you have to do it.

00:24:53
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is we're trying to fuck we're trying.

00:24:56
Speaker 2: To do this.

00:24:57
Speaker 4: Talk there or not you're allowed to talk?

00:24:59
Speaker 1: I think, I mean yeah, like your house.

00:25:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, that's why I said, though I came in and like the Boston guy says, no one can talk up there.

00:25:06
Speaker 4: So what'd you said?

00:25:06
Speaker 2: What was your reaction here and asked permission to talk?

00:25:10
Speaker 1: Okay?

00:25:11
Speaker 2: All right, thanks.

00:25:13
Speaker 4: I hope your shows so well.

00:25:15
Speaker 5: You never know what you're gonna get with him, you know, when he made the comment, I was thinking about it too, and he was like, when you're fifty three, fifty fourth roster, you're gonna be early to the meeting. It's like when you're the owner, you can show up whenever you want to. But it's like, yeah, if you want to want to run a pisspoor organization, lead from the front, he said, found up, Lead from the front, Leading from the front, Like that's culture, Like we know there's a heart out here at ten fifteen, and he wants to come take three minutes of our time. That's hey, though, I tell you what the day folks are the boys he does fun with them.

00:25:42
Speaker 1: Like that's he's the dad. He's the dad that's never going to say I love you. But like the more he makes fun of you, like he cares. Yeah, yeah, he cares, and that's that's important. I feel like during the thing, what'd you ask does he love you? You think, oh, yeah, you love us? Yes, I think so. I mean I think we're probably yeah, top five.

00:26:00
Speaker 5: People don't think he'll ever say it, and I think he'll always like, you know, make those faces.

00:26:04
Speaker 1: Like he'll just go yeah, I mean I like you guys, guse you're fine. He usually I mean, you should doing great job. He has worked for me, and he'll just say something that like wouldn't make him seem like he's the boss, and then we just's.

00:26:14
Speaker 2: That one pat on the back. You're like, oh yeah, yeah, he doesn't.

00:26:17
Speaker 1: I think he's not a whole lot of paths.

00:26:19
Speaker 4: He hangs with Silvana and they'll like look at some more kind of stuff and they kind of chuckle.

00:26:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be laying in bed and just kind of but it'll never say you see this, He'll never say that, like those guys are stupid, and they'll just kind of keep scrolling.

00:26:30
Speaker 4: I'm Kim, yeah, Kim.

00:26:32
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's twenty, I'm thirty two.

00:26:34
Speaker 3: Uh, he's a future or he already is super Star Wars the Future just like World.

00:26:39
Speaker 2: Beater, uh talent.

00:26:41
Speaker 3: And I think part of it is that I'm just jealous that it took me so long to figure it out and he's, you know, can't even legally drink and he's just whooping up on all of us.

00:26:52
Speaker 1: That's probably part of it, and not a.

00:26:53
Speaker 3: Lot of it is just Caddy and I, you know, I have to see him all the time, so I want to. I don't know, it's like it's like a motivating thing. So I definitely, you know, check in how he's doing in tournaments, and I hope that I win more tournaments than he does h until I retire much earlier than he will. But it's also an embarrassing one. Like I said, you want a rival that's like your age, and this kid is like he's truly a child. So what I was doing at twenty versus what he was doing at twenty is just so drastically different.

00:27:22
Speaker 2: It's outrageous.

00:27:23
Speaker 3: But he's he's definitely ho on my list right now, and he's also taking me to dinner next week. He's taking me to a Korean barbecue next week in La So we're all also really good friends.

00:27:32
Speaker 4: I think closer.

00:27:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm staying it. Yeah, but he might food poison me. I'm not really sure. I don't know where his rivalry in this stands, but I know I know he feels similarly.

00:27:42
Speaker 2: Is here this week? He's here this week?

00:27:43
Speaker 1: Yeah? Anything, that's when does it? It starts Thursday, right, the first day of everything?

00:27:47
Speaker 2: Startursday?

00:27:48
Speaker 1: And do you get paired up with him a lot?

00:27:50
Speaker 2: Or now I've been paired up with him? Maybe this is where the other part.

00:27:53
Speaker 3: I got paired up with him in Vegas this year and then he won the golf tournament didn't make a bogie for all seventy two holes, which is just like not a real thing.

00:28:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he did that, man? He so? Yeah? Is uh you? You brought up caddies a couple of times, like, I don't know golf. I probably swung a club ten times in my entire life. I'm awful. But what is like, how important is a caddy through the process of the weekend for you, like sizing things up for you and stuff? For me?

00:28:20
Speaker 4: Is what do they do?

00:28:21
Speaker 1: In general? Just like give me the basic one on one on what a caddy does.

00:28:23
Speaker 3: Their bones is carry the clubs, clean the clubs and get like numbers and kind of do like strategy type stuff.

00:28:31
Speaker 2: Mine is different.

00:28:31
Speaker 3: I I've always valued caddies some guys, you know, everyone wants something different. Some people want like some people want like a psychologist kind of out there a friend out there where they want somebody who's just really good at like you know, getting waters, you know, just like a almost like an assistant. Mine, I've been lucky. Mine is one of my best friends. I've known him since I was six. He was a great golfer. It still is a good golfer, but he played pro golf for a little bit back in the day. And uh so I kind of get I'm lucky. I get I get a really like really good caddies, great at all the strategy, all.

00:29:02
Speaker 2: The picking what club to hit. He's great at all that.

00:29:06
Speaker 3: But he's also like someone I enjoy walking around with because we're we're together more than I'm with you know, my wife really over the last like six years, we spend so much time together.

00:29:17
Speaker 2: So I need to like like that person because if.

00:29:19
Speaker 3: I if I start to get resentful of being around somebody that much, it would be hard to do my job. But so I I kind of get like the full the full package with mine. So it's like I said, everyone's different. Like I had a caddy one time filling for Joe. He was gone for a week, and every time he gave me water, like he'd have like the top almost off so I didn't.

00:29:43
Speaker 2: Have to open the top. I'm like, nice, though, yeah, but I'm like, I'm so good at that.

00:29:47
Speaker 3: I can do that, you know, I don't need to help with that. I need help, Like, is it seven or eight iron?

00:29:52
Speaker 4: I don't.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: So it's just like everybody.

00:29:54
Speaker 3: But clearly at some point somebody told him like that was a thing, which is also sad and crazy to me. But uh, I don't know some people. Everyone everyone's different, I guess. But I like, I like having a friend out there that like enjoy the winds together and then the losses we can like discuss and and I have a lot of faith and trust in what he'll suggest that we should do better.

00:30:15
Speaker 4: Have you ever blew a gasket on him?

00:30:17
Speaker 5: Uh?

00:30:17
Speaker 2: It's actually funny. He's yelled at me more than I've yelled at him.

00:30:20
Speaker 3: It's kind of my running running joke about how like last year, last year, maybe it's two years ago at Pebble Beach Sunday. I got off to a great start and on the fifth hole, I hit in a bunker and I had a fuck line and made double bogie. And then the next hole, I hit in the bunker and got a fuck lie and I hit a really good shot and got a terrible bounce. I had like twenty feet, and I like kind of bitched and moaned about it. And that's why I like joke, because I always tell myself if I'm being a bitch, you tell me I'm being a bitch, and I'll stop. Like he's older than me, like I was like, you know, you're kind of big brother.

00:30:50
Speaker 2: I'll listen to you.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and but I kind of like bitched and moaned to him about like I was like, what a fucking bounce, you know, like so fucking bad. And he snapped on me and he goes, you know, I don't even remember what he said.

00:31:01
Speaker 2: He yelled at me, looked like Jesus Christ, like in front of the people. Oh my good god. Yeah.

00:31:08
Speaker 3: Basically he was like he's like quick complaining he had a great fucking shot.

00:31:11
Speaker 2: It's like not that big a deal whatever.

00:31:13
Speaker 3: So I'm like okay, and I walked over and I unfortunately I made the putt, which was like maybe part of him just scaring the life out of me.

00:31:18
Speaker 2: And he comes over to me like, this is why I'm our relationship. I love it so much.

00:31:21
Speaker 3: He comes over me and goes, dude, I'm so sorry, but I want to rake that bunker on five.

00:31:24
Speaker 2: My back went out and I'm like, I'm kind of on tilt right now. I'm like Okay. He goes, I'm really sorry about that.

00:31:29
Speaker 3: But I've only really yeah, I've only really gotten mad at him, like a couple of times. Uh so like he I don't think I've ever yelled at him, but yeah, it's it's fun when he is wrong. And there's been a couple of times where like he catches, he catches when I could. I know he's wrong and I go to say something and he's like got his head downe He's like, sorry, sorry, sorry, my bad, sorry, sorry sorry, because he knows like I don't air him out.

00:31:53
Speaker 2: Everyone's trying their best. It's impossible.

00:31:55
Speaker 3: I mean, he's guessing what you know, educated guess and what we should be doing. So when he's wrong, it's not like I'm like whatever, But every once in a while.

00:32:03
Speaker 2: Like one time, you know, I'm telling him it's six, aren't it's five?

00:32:06
Speaker 3: He says five and I'm saying six, and it's five and I have five and it goes over the green.

00:32:11
Speaker 2: It's fucked.

00:32:11
Speaker 3: And like that's when I can at least at least look at him and be like, you know, I was right, And sometimes that's all I need.

00:32:19
Speaker 2: But I don't yell.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: You hear some guys blow up and there are some funny fucking stories, but uh, man.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: I just don't have that in me.

00:32:27
Speaker 5: Where are you at in the argument of golf being a sport or not?

00:32:33
Speaker 3: Man, I'm like very middle Like, I don't it's active. Uh it does warm my heart when like my friends who are real athletes, like the no argument athlete, when they go play golf and then they tell me next day like their back hurts and their shoulders are hurting. I'm like, see, shit's fucking, But yeah, it's it's probably not. I think if we had to carry our own clubs, I wouldnsider it a sport.

00:33:01
Speaker 2: But it's just it's just it. Yeah, we're tiptoe on the line.

00:33:05
Speaker 3: We're we're definitely like people bat dog cheerleading and say that's not a sport, and they did it way more athletic than we are, so like they're not even if they're not even getting approved, then like we shouldn't be approved fully yet, but we're we're gaining on it, but I wouldn't like you guys are, like there's a humongous difference between like football and baseball and basketball and then like golf.

00:33:31
Speaker 2: Like this is noticeable.

00:33:33
Speaker 3: Just the eye tests would tell you that, Like we're not doing a whole lot, but it is active. It's harder than you think. But yeah, it's definitely not not rigging rigorous enough to consider like a full blown sport.

00:33:46
Speaker 2: But we're in this sport family.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: We're just the way you handled that, yeah, outrageous question was extremely graceful, Like could have easily.

00:33:57
Speaker 4: Taken get their fun or back there by piss right now.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.

00:34:02
Speaker 4: Man.

00:34:02
Speaker 1: You heard a lot of bunch of scoffs in the back when you said that, because they all were thinking that it's not When did you decide like they're prove when we were like this is this is for me, That's what I'm gonna be fantastic.

00:34:14
Speaker 3: In a real sports Uh So I played Uh you know, like football, basketball, and golf. Those were like my three like loves grown up receiver.

00:34:23
Speaker 2: What's that?

00:34:23
Speaker 4: Were you a slot receiver?

00:34:24
Speaker 2: So I was gonna be the great white Hope. I was a nasty corner. Oh yeah, it's.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: A boy from Iowa out there trying to live the dream.

00:34:31
Speaker 2: Right now.

00:34:31
Speaker 4: You see that.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Unicorn, we have to protect it.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: So uh but yeah, so I was like damn, uh I was like eleven. So it's not like I thought of that at all, but uh, I think who was a seahorn back in the day. Yeah he was, So I mimicked my game after him. But yeah I was. I was all right, I I I'm fast, like that's kind of my thing. Never was a big guy, but I can. I can fly around a little bit. And uh, I like saying that because you can't prove that I can.

00:35:00
Speaker 2: So looks like you can.

00:35:01
Speaker 4: Probably it looks like you can run around a little.

00:35:03
Speaker 2: Bit though, Yeah, but you're never gonna see it.

00:35:06
Speaker 1: When you're like at a Part five or something like that, get a good sprint to your ball, kind of show everybody what's what.

00:35:11
Speaker 4: That would be funny if you like h.

00:35:15
Speaker 1: Like yacks down there, dude, that would be awesome, that'd be incredible.

00:35:21
Speaker 3: It was like eleven and my dad kind of stutely said, hey, man, if you want to be a professional athlete, like you need to pick one, like this is your time, Like you need to treat it like a job. And he goes, I think you should only be doing one. And I sat there and looked in the mirror and I'm like, I'm five ft two, can't really jump. I think I'm fast, but I've met a lot of guys faster, and I was like, I think golf is the way to do it. So it wasn't like I thought that I was baby better at golf, but I felt like it might fit me better.

00:35:50
Speaker 2: It didn't get hit, nobody had to hit me. Uh and yeah.

00:35:53
Speaker 3: So then it was like from eleven on, I quit everything else and started going the golf course six days a week.

00:35:59
Speaker 2: My parents drop me off and bang balls. I didn't know I was gonna.

00:36:03
Speaker 3: Make it, make it for a while, but I've always said, man, for for anybody who's ever made it, and probably anything, but especially sports, you need like the perfect amount of delusion, because if when you tell a kid like I remember, I had teachers be like, what do you want to do when you grow up. My mom be on the PJA tour and they'd be like, okay, but if that doesn't work out, what are you gonna do? And I'm like, why the fuck would that not work out? Like I work at this as hard as you work at your job, like it's gonna work. But like, looking back on it now is like a thirty two year old dude. It's like the fact that a kid I was just like, yeah, of course I'm gonna make it. Here is like you have to be a bit crazy, but like you have to have enough of that realism and awareness to know that, like it's gonna be really hard, but and you have to change things, not like I'm just gonna wake up and just make it.

00:36:47
Speaker 2: But also you have to have enough delusion.

00:36:48
Speaker 3: To a se anytime anybody everybody ever said hell man, you know that's that's crazy, like you might need a backup plan, I could look at you and be like, no, like that's that's not how you make it.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: You don't make it with the backup plan. So, uh, it's kind of fun.

00:37:02
Speaker 3: But I was thankful my dad did that when I was young, because you do, in my opinion, need to unless you're one of those freak, you know, bo Jackson type people, like you need to focus on one thing because there's so many people that are working at it and that are great at it that like, you can't be wasting time. I couldn't be wasting time trying to, you know, figure out if I was going to blow up the guy in the flat or not.

00:37:21
Speaker 2: Like that's just that. Don't been wasting my time.

00:37:24
Speaker 5: So you guys seem like you're more the the family style, that is, pick do one sport when you're growing up.

00:37:30
Speaker 2: I want, I want because.

00:37:31
Speaker 4: I know you probably are aware of those arguments.

00:37:33
Speaker 5: I like golf, it could be likef you might have to put in that type of.

00:37:37
Speaker 1: Golf one of those sports. And hockey is one of those sports I gets. I grew over a thirteen in hockey. You can't do anything else. You got to do that.

00:37:43
Speaker 3: If I want my kid, If you decide to play sports, I wanted to play all of them because I do think it makes you a well rounded human. Like I think that there are golfers who have grown up and only played golf, and I think that they they only play yeah, and I don't think that's a good thing personality wise is great for their their their game, But like I don't think, yeah, that's what it does feel like that. It's like they take some of themselves very seriously and it's like our biggest, most popular golf tournament.

00:38:09
Speaker 2: Is just a party. That's Scottsdale.

00:38:12
Speaker 3: So it's like we're not we're low on the totem pole, we're growing. Tiger put us everybody on the map. He changed the change the landscape of golf forever for all the professionals. But at the end of the day, I do think that it's important to play a lot of sports just to get I also think it helps with your hand to eye. I think all those things are important to growth. But yeah, I mean, it's golf is different.

00:38:34
Speaker 2: It is.

00:38:35
Speaker 3: It will always be a slower, older, older person sport just because it's not taxing on the body. It's the thing that all you know, so many athletes and so many super athletes decide to like play after because it's you know, I was on a phone call with Larry Fitzgerald yesterday and he is obsessed with golf.

00:38:49
Speaker 2: You've never met so many more obsessed with golf. And this dude is a.

00:38:52
Speaker 3: No, no doubt or Hall of Famer probably. I mean, he should be in the conversation for best of all time. And this dude just like he's asking me questions about how do I get better at golf? Because that's the thing is. It doesn't beat him up anymore. It's a passion. It is hard. But I think that his personality and his outlook towards the game is benefited from the fact that he played other things growing up. And I think that's why people love Larry and golf now because he doesn't take himself seriously because he's humbled by the game of golf. But we all also respect him because he's a legitimate freak of nature.

00:39:25
Speaker 1: When you keep saying that golf is always gonna be an older man sport, how do you like, in what ways can we make the younger generation appreciate golf more? So, I'll give you, Like, for example, like when I'm in high school, me and all my buddies never thought about golf at all. Soon does everyone graduated college All of a sudden, all my boys are picking up clubs and doing whatever, and like, this is great for business, this is great for that. Like, how do you start leaking into the high school like that. You know, the younger age is that they start picking up the clubs more.

00:39:54
Speaker 3: So it needs to be more accessible. So golf course I grew up on is parse sixty one. So most golf course par seventy two. Public golf course had a Part three course, nine holes, the longest holes one hundred and fifty yards, and it was owned by a company called American Golf. And they had a deal at least in all the ones that they owned around where I grew up that you know, if you were under like twelve eleven or somewhere like that, you could play the Part three course for one dollar all day and then you've played the big one for like sixteen dollars. And as golf is boomed because of the pandemic golf blew up across the country, golf course are getting more expensive. And that's okay, it's a business, but like let the kids play, like get them out there, get them out playing, get them out. The deals on hitting balls like bang the balls is let's just say it's eight dollars a bucket, make it three so that they don't have to go beg their parents for twenty dollars and you know, like make them feel like it's it's okay.

00:40:48
Speaker 2: And also it will I don't.

00:40:51
Speaker 3: Know if this one will ever change, but the adults need to get that are at the golf course need to clean up their act and stop kind of ho humming. Oh man, I'm with a kid today. It's like my dad would always say that, and he liked it because I was, you know, a good player as a young young kid. But he would say, you know, we get paired with another another two dudes that who obviously don't know us, strangers, and he would he'd say he always loved it because they'd roll their eyes to their friend, like, oh god, we got to play with this kid today. And my dad would make me play fast, like if I if it took me too long to get off the box, he would just have me play up where his drive was.

00:41:21
Speaker 2: But like by the end of the day, these guys like, oh my god, this kid's so good.

00:41:24
Speaker 3: But it's like, don't you like judged me before you Like the point is to get in, like get people into this game so that the pros are doing I think a good job I have, like I know, Patrick Can'tley hosts three golf tournaments on the court on the tournaments. We grew up playing in Southern California in the SCPGA Southern California Professional Golf Association, So then I'm doing my first one in two weeks, and I think that helps a little bit, kind of giving kids that look up to you know, maybe you know, even if they aren't into golf, but they have to watch it because their dad makes them here and there, and they say, hey, you know so and so is hosting a golf tournament.

00:41:58
Speaker 2: I want to play in that one day. Maybe that could be an avenue.

00:42:00
Speaker 3: But I just think accessibility and these adults need to chill.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: Like if a.

00:42:05
Speaker 3: Kid's being loud at the golf course, you don't need to reprimand them, like go just say, hey, you know, we're a little quieter here to respect thing, but like, don't make it where I have to walk on eggshells because I felt like that as a kid a lot. And unfortunately my dad didn't make me double down and feel that. He's like, hey, you know, kind of like screw them, do your thing, but be respectful.

00:42:24
Speaker 2: But he said it in a nicer way.

00:42:25
Speaker 3: But there's just like this stuff, it can be stuffy, and that just turns kids off. The kid's attention spans are doore. That's why football so like it's like America's sport and it's so fun to watch because it's like quick, quick hitting highlights like highlights in golf.

00:42:42
Speaker 2: Like you, they're slow and they're not as riveting.

00:42:44
Speaker 3: But if you ever played the game, you'd be like, fuck, that's amazing, you know.

00:42:48
Speaker 2: But it's just like it's it's not.

00:42:50
Speaker 3: Like right off the top of your head that it would be like so clearly fun. So I hope that I hope that as things go on, like kids will start to feel more welcome to come out.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Course, because I tell I tell all the people who are.

00:43:02
Speaker 3: Just even my friends, as you reference, they get out of college and like, man, I want to play golf. I don't embarrass myself. I'm like, I'm like, who are you worried is going to embarrass you? And they'll be like, oh, you know there's this guy that was playing the other day. I said, well just picture this. If I come out, I'll beat the shit out of that guy at golf.

00:43:17
Speaker 2: Like he'd be embarrassed to play with me.

00:43:18
Speaker 3: And I don't give a shit, So like you go play, just go have fun, do your thing. Don't like that's the problem. There's like this weird there's a weird thing in golf that I'm hoping slowly gets gets torn down a bit.

00:43:30
Speaker 1: But is that a weird thing you're kind of implying, Is that they get up at the vibe?

00:43:33
Speaker 2: I think it is. But I just think, like, okay, so.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: If I go play, if I went and played football with you guys, obviously I would look like an actual like a draft, like a baby's giraffe out there, like I wouldn't know what to do. I baby catch a few, I'd maybe trip a few times. I'd look like an idiot. But I feel like the nature of that sport, like the intuition isn't just to immediately like make fun of that person. It's like, you know, it's just like, oh, it's fun. It's a backyard game, you know. But golf doesn't feel like a backyard game at least and how it was made it was a gentleman's Sport's a gentleman's game, but it's like it is it should be a kid's game. Shit, We're whacking a fucking golf ball through the air and everyone sucks at it.

00:44:13
Speaker 2: Like I suck at it sometimes, like it's so hard.

00:44:16
Speaker 3: So I just think that there is an uppitting this to it, that like as you get better and you have to pay to play. So I guess maybe part of is kind of like going back to the public transportation the sky thing. Oh I'm paying three hundred dollars for a flight. I don't want this baby crying behind me. It's like, well, tough shit. Like there's a kid out here gonna learn and he just wants to get better at the same game you want to get better at. Like let him like, let him have a chance, let her have a chance, and like just see what happens and make it fun and make it enjoyable. There's something weird about Maybe it's just the price point of it that I think people feel entitled to, Like this is my day and I want it to go exactly how I think it should go, and it just drives me nuts.

00:44:52
Speaker 2: I'm glad I.

00:44:53
Speaker 3: Grew up at the golf course I grew up at because it was not like that nearly as much. It was a men's club. All the boys have beers. I would sit there and wait for my dad to finish. I'd hit balls get a soda and we would go home and it was very like everyone can play. No one's getting strokes, go prove yourself, and that's how you grow up and learn. But golf in general just doesn't seem like it's gotten over that hump fully yet, but I think it will. I think Tiger made an enormous impact on that because he made kids feel cool to play golf, at least for me. When someone's like, oh, you play golf as dorky, I'm like, go watch this fucking guy play golf because it is not dorky is it's exciting and it's cool.

00:45:30
Speaker 5: I think what Netflix is doing too with that, Yeah, like the Formula one, yeah, formula, but them doing it with the golf and everything else. I think that's going also for you, like giving you your flowers. To me, it's like the way you are your personality on social media, you do make it seem like you have an edginess, a looseness about you to where you make the golfing fun like good day, bad day. You're still gonna whether it's you need to show up on social media or not, like you make it seem like, oh, he's doesn't take it so serious, even though you are a pro at your craft. Clearly, if anybody's listening to this, it seems like you've been all in on this thing for a while. But I like admire from Afar your ability to play good or play bad and talk about it in a way that's like relatable to people.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: I feel like people thank you.

00:46:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I guess i'd put it as I don't. I take what I do very serious. I don't take myself very serious. And I hope that kids and fans of golf grasp that like concept, because like, I want to be everybody every time I play, but I also know that if I don't, it's not everyone's problem that I didn't. Yeah, man, mine, And like I said, I want golf to flourish. And I love this game and it is it has a lot of benefits to it for you know, business and honestly just joy. And so it's like at some point, uh, it's it's fun and we're playing golf in a field. Man, It's it's awesome. But there's just little little wall we got to knock down.

00:47:00
Speaker 2: Netflix. That's a great point.

00:47:01
Speaker 3: They'll do a great job of showcasing, at least for kids to be able to see a real TV show, Like, oh shit, maybe I want to try that, right and like then get out and do it because it is weird man like every like you said every single one of my friends right after college like fuck man, like I want to learn how to play golf?

00:47:17
Speaker 2: Whoul I do?

00:47:17
Speaker 3: And I'm like, god, dang, I wish you would have said this we're fifteen, because I would have a lot more friends.

00:47:24
Speaker 1: I know it's it's ten twenty right now. We know you got to go. But the last thing we'll ask is you seem like your mindset is just like really just well done. Like you seem like you've really put things into perspective, understanding that just because I lost doesn't mean it's everybody else's issue enjoying whether you win or lose in the way you projected to everybody else. Like how is that? Like, is your mindset always been that way or did you have to navigate through the ups and downs of golf to really fine the calm that you're dealing with right now?

00:47:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even the like it goes ebbs and flows. I some days, I'm I can act like an asshole. I try to keep it to myself, but like if you're you know, you know, Joe, my wife Lacy, like they would know when I'm being kind of a dick about it. But I guess a lesson I learned, Like I've always thought of myself as a respectful person. And I remember I had a really bad attitude for a while, like through college, and I can't remember if exactly what happened, but it was one day where I think someone like almost pointed out to me, like when if there's two other people at least playing with us every day and if I'm being an asshole out there, that person has to deal with me and I'm ruining their day. And I'm like, oh, that's not what I mean to do, Like I'm just trying to ruin my own day.

00:48:33
Speaker 1: Shit.

00:48:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like I guess that's kind of when I also have a bad attitude in my own head now, but I try my best. Like some people will be like, oh man, you're so calm and your attitude so good, and it's like some days it's not very good. I just don't want people to see that anymore because it's embarrassing and it's and it's rude, Like it's rude to the other guys out there that I play against who are also trying to do the same shit I am if they got to deal with some little sour puss, you know, stomping their feet and stuff.

00:48:58
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's everything that I've been. I've been flow.

00:49:00
Speaker 3: But I think as I've gotten older, I've just realized that you're gonna have good weeks, You're gonna have bad weeks, and at the end of the day, you know, the journey is is that that's that's the fun part. The winds come, the winds go, things things, You have bad weeks, you know where it feels like the end of the world, But like the fun part is just getting facing that forever. And I think as I've gotten older and appreciated that, I've appreciated some of the bad days more because it's like, all right, this is the day I'm gonna learn. When you win, you learn a little bit, but you when you fail, you learn quite a bit. And before I would kind of back myself away from that and be like, God, sucks doing this, But knowing that you're not gonna win every golf tournament, it's kind of you can appreciate the weeks where you have to grind and and dig it out a little bit and turn you know nothing into something so but it's it's all been a learning curve. I mean, if you ask my friends when I was sixteen to twenty, they probably thought it was the biggest tool bag in the world playing golf. But I've been trying to get a better hit that.

00:50:00
Speaker 1: Brother, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on this show, and you guys are the best.

00:50:04
Speaker 2: Thank you.

00:50:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's been fun watching social media. For those of you subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. Our favorite golfer of all time, Max Homa. We're rooting for him this week at the Waste Management Buddy, Hope you take home that trophy.