Hour 3 – Arms Are Changing in Baseball, Al Michaels

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final Hour on this Thursday. The great Al Michaels will join us. Coming up a little bit. He'll be on the call tonight on Amazon. It'll be the Niners and the Rams. The Niners getting eight and a half AFC East matchup, Josh Allen and the Bills against Drake May and the Patriots. That'll be in primetime on NBC in Peacock. Coming up on Sunday eight seven seven three. DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handle a DP show. We have Playoff Baseball a Game seven. Feel in Game three it's winner Go Home, Guardians, Tigers, Padres, Cubs, Yankees in the Red Sox, Dodgers beating the Reds to advance to face the Philadelphia Phillies. And we stumbled onto this topic. Watching last night, you're seeing Mason Miller. He is throwing eleven pitches of at least one hundred miles per hour. I think eleven of the fifteen that he threw were at least one hundred miles an hour. He topped out at one oh four point five. That's the fastest pitch thrown this season. That's the fastest pitch thrown in postseason since two thousand and nine. But he's been in two postseason appearances so far. He's faced nine batters, he struck out eight, he hit one batter. Sixteen of his forty pitches are one hundred miles per hour or greater. Stat of the day, stat of the day, that fast stat of the day, stat of the.

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Speaker 3: Day, here comes that what stat of the.

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Speaker 2: Day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Good morning, if you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Twenty five years ago, the fastest pitch registered was one oh one. The average fastball I think was eighty nine. Now it's up to eighty one four or ninety four twenty five years from now? Are we going to be up to the average fastball at ninety nine miles an hour if we're looking at twenty five year increments, is it going to go up to ninety nine? Is the average speed? Like? How fast can somebody throw a baseball? Can you? Can you throw it one hundred and ten or more? Can somebody run nine seconds nine point two seconds one hundred meters dash? Ninety five eight is the record in twenty five years from now? What's that time going to be? So I don't know how far we can push the limits on this. How far can you drive a golf ball? Now that's equipment, you have to factor that in as well, plus a lot of these fair ways. When you get to these golf courses, they want them to run, they want them to be hard, so you're going to get more roll up. They want you to be hit the ball three hundred and fifty yards. But at what point do you say that's as far as somebody can go. How fast can you run? How fast can you throw? How far can you hit a baseball? How far can you hit a golf ball? These are all the things that we're trying to push the envelope on. And I asked Paulie, I said, can you get a hold of somebody who's smart, smarter than us, who can help us understand? And I understand that they're taking care of themselves now. They know exactly how to get leverage, how to use your arm, how to use the torque in your body, to do all of these things. But can you add you know, I'm always amazed when a pitcher adds two miles an hour. That's a lot. Justin Herbert, according to Jim Harbaugh, said he averaged like two more miles per hour running. I'm going, okay, but what did these smart professors say, Pauline.

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Speaker 4: We got a hold of professor from Yale. He's got a PhD. Professor of vankotas On now, he's done studies on baseball before with a He's a got a physics degree and a mechanical engineering degree.

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Speaker 2: Really really smart shure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said. I asked him, a generation from now, will they add another five miles an hour and another generation from now five more? He said likely.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: He said, generating speed in a throw is a whole body thing. It's actually much more about your lower body than your upper body. He said that baseball players are like an elastic whip, and much of the power comes from the lower body transmitted by the upper body.

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Speaker 3: Like a whip, it.

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Speaker 4: Comes from the wrist and what you're doing.

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Speaker 6: He said.

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Speaker 4: The efficiency of improving your speed, it depends on technique. It's not that humans are getting faster, it's the technique around it. Like Seton was saying, it's much more about even diet, how they're used maximizing the angle of how you throw. All the improvements in technology around pitching is helping pitching. It's not like the evolution of man is just happening at a faster rate, he said. Because of the the mechanics of a body like a whip, there are limits, and the efficiency of power generation there are limits. So while there will be improvements over the next twenty five fifty years, big jumps like five miles an hour are very unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, today's athlete is in far greater shape. You know, majority of these athletes in far greater shape than the athletes of twenty five years ago. You start with that, But the elasticity, when you look at Tiger, he had elasticity. He was turning. He was turning sometimes ten to fifteen percent more than the other golfers on tour. He was creating more. When you see a hitter, sometimes you'll get more torque in your swing. Pitchers able to get Pedro Martinez always had it felt like more torque. And because he's a small guy, you know, you get guys who were six four as opposed to Pedro who was five ten, one hundred and eighty. But that's the magic of sport, where you go, how is he doing it? Well? He knows his body, puts it in the position, and then takes advantage of certain elements that other athletes don't have. And sometimes that's, you know, the deciding factor of that guy can throw it faster than him, that guy can run faster than him, that guy can hit a golf ball farther, because the biggest guys aren't the guys that always hit. You know, the longest I remember playing golf with Eddie George and Eddie George is the after I'm the before picture. And then he couldn't out drive me, and it drove him crazy. And I said, Eddie, it's not about how big you are, it's how you put yourself in a position to hit a golf ball. And the whole time we're playing with Cordell Stewart and he just couldn't. I Cordell and I were laughing at Eddie because he would swing so hard, and I go, you're not gonna out drive.

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Speaker 3: Me, Eddie. I don't get it.

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Speaker 7: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I said, you don't know how to swing yet. Once you do, then you're going to hit it one hundred yards past me. Yeah, Dylan.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's like a lot of the power pitchers, particularly starters that throw really hard, tend to be like tall, lanky for the most part.

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Speaker 6: And it's not like they're all yoked.

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Speaker 8: It's just because I think they have more of that elasticity and mechanics thing, you know, longer lever.

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Speaker 2: But just putting yourself in the right position and your angle, your arm angle, and and you know Paulie talking about the whip. You know, you want to have lag. Golfers have lag in their swing and then all of a sudden they use they use the ground and then they're coming up. So it's all like this volcanic explosion. When you see Justin Thomas isn't a big guy, but he can hit the ball. You know, he's probably in the you know, five percent of long long drivers. Here, Deshambo's a big guy, brooks Kepka is a big guy. Rom's a big guy. Rory's in great shape. You still have to have that. I don't think you can, you know, look like Craig Stadler and go out there or Duffy Waldorf.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pauli, Yeah, this Yel professor said the same thing. He said, your arm is your arm you can't really do anything to strengthen it, but you can strengthen your lower body. He sugg, looking at a guy like Justin Verlander. He is built from the waist down. He also said that medical technology is going to help pitchers pitch in the hundreds more often, like it already has. He said, in the eighties, if you got Tommy John surgery, it was a death sentence for your career. Now it's a year off and you're probably gonna come back. He said he could see a generation from now preventative measures in medicine going into your ligaments and your elbow that make it so you never have to have Tommy John surgery and you won't have to worry about throwing a hundred often.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that happening. I mean, they're making strides in what they do with ligaments in your knee, and a lot of this is outside the United States. And I go back to this is decades ago when I had surgery and I had a doctor saying, hey, they're growing cartilage in a peatrie dish in Germany. Are you interested in? I go no, I just wanted to be able to walk. So that's thirty years ago. And the improvements in preventative medicine is the key women basketball. Female basketball players more susceptible to blowing out their acl to be able to have something that can prevent that or give you a better chance of avoiding that. Same with Tommy John used to be that you don't throw curveballs. Guys are blowing out their ores because they're throwing fastballs, and you have a pitch count. Every one of these guys is told. It feels like, go out, you got fifteen pitches. Throw as hard as you can for those fifteen pitches. That's it. It might be an inning, might be two, but that's it. Throw as hard as you can for as long as you can. Then we bring you out, and then we bring in another guy.

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Speaker 9: Yes see, do I have to request permission to add PhD to my name?

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Speaker 2: Or can I just do it? You can do it.

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Speaker 9: I can't because it sounds like one year at West Virginia essentially equals bringing a PhD level professor at Yale.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like that, That's the way I'm hearing it. Anyway, we can start calling you the doctor a doc. That's exactly what I want. Yes, Polly, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's actually tougher for guys like you me Seatan to graduate from these schools because we went to schools where they partied. You go to Yale, you walk in smart, they're lightly partying, but you're there to really study, and people around your studying, we had the challenge of being around people who weren't studying.

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Speaker 9: I quite literally went there because two party. That's exactly why I chose West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember the first time I went to the University of Dayton. I walked I was on campus, off campus, and I walked by and I'm with my one of my brothers, and somebody had a keg on their front porch. It was just a Tuesday. They had a keg on their front porch, and he walked up, grabbed a solo cup and filled up. And then I said, you don't even know them. He goes, no, no, just go up and get a beer. Went and got a beer, and I go, all right, Mom and Dad, I think I'm gonna go to the University of Dayton. I think they have a really good curriculum, and I think I'm going to do really really well there.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So Dylan gen for Fritzie Seaton, the doc Marvin PAULI yours truely. Al Michaels will join us coming up and the Gambling Podcast later today. Dylan is part of that. He's got the Wounded Animal Parlay? Is it? Is it officially titled the Wounded Animal Parlay?

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Speaker 6: That is Paul Actually the name originated with PAULI.

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Speaker 8: Oh, and it kind of got me thinking, Okay, because you know, I like to zag with my bets. You know, I like to fade the public opinion.

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Speaker 2: I suggest you zig. You would probably do better, but you like the zag.

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Speaker 8: So I am getting cooked on the NFL this year. But I'm not alone there, Dan, Okay, I think this might be my ticket out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. This is the Wounded Animal Parlay.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The forty nine ers are very thin at receiver at the moment, but they do have Sky more.

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Speaker 6: Third in the bullpen.

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Speaker 8: Sky anytime touchdown. He's plus fourteen hundred former Chief Great, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 8: And they also have they also have mvs on there too, another former Chief.

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Speaker 2: Great, Valdez Scantling Junior the third.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I'm going sky mored anytime. TD the Niners plus eight and a half.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 8: I liked that pre wounded animal parlaying. Okay, and mccorkyl Jones over two hundred and eleven and a half passing yards and those.

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones over two hundred and eleven yards. Yep, Okay, I could see that happen.

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Speaker 8: And then that pays that plus thirty two hundred thirty two to one.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the wounded animal parlay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the wounded animal parlay happens Marvin a lot in the NBA, when like two starters are out for the Celtics and they're playing the Wizards. You're like, oh, the Wizards, they're gonna lose by thirty. And then all the backups, you know, like all the backups of the Wizards, they come in and they get their chance, A bunch of injured guys come in next thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Or Peyton Pritchard goes off.

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Speaker 3: Come on now, he's gonna treat us like the Oregon pro.

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Speaker 2: Am I sent. I keep sending videos to Marvin, and.

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Speaker 3: It's eight o'clock in the morning on a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: It'll be Peyton Pritchard playing in a pickup game. I also sent a text to Marvin last night. I'm flipping around, you know, I can't stay watching something. I can't sit still. And all of a sudden I stumbled into the Basketball Wives on VH one and I said, Marvin, what is going on with basketball wives?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Nobody's married. I don't think. I don't think any of them are wives except Doug Christie, Doug Christie's wife. And I'm watching and there's a whole lot going on, like what just like dialogue situations, what they say to each other. There's some cosmetic.

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Speaker 9: Are they not nice things that they're saying?

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Speaker 4: Not supportive, constructive creation?

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Speaker 2: They're not breaking down the game or is it more personal? They are? They are pretty rough. They are rough on each other and they get dulled up too, girl, and they're always talking behind each other's backs, would you say, girl? Yeah, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: At one time these women were known as la work.

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Speaker 5: Whoa yep, So you want to know where the term comes from.

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Speaker 3: It's these women.

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Speaker 2: But they're not wives.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not.

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Speaker 5: It started out, sorry backstory, It started out Shaquille O'Neil's ex wife, Seanie O'Neil started this show basketball Basketball Wives. Hey, let's see what lives of the athlete's wives are. And then it just turned into it's almost like the Housewives, Housewives.

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Speaker 3: Show Atlanta, DC. All this Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: This is worse than that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, very much.

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Speaker 2: So this is worse than that. Oh my goodness, yes, Marv.

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Speaker 3: And I tell my wife this. She goes, what's he doing watching basketball?

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Speaker 6: Wise?

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't know, Marvin, they're not even wives. I said, I know.

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Speaker 2: My wife caught me though, Oh no, yeah.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 2: She goes, what is this? I said, it's basketball wives? Who's wives? I said, I don't know. She goes, why are you watching this? And I said I don't know? And she goes, I thought you said you were coming downstairs and watching Red Sox and Yankees. I said I have been, but I flipped around and then she goes, okay, you need some mac football stat I do?

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Speaker 11: I do?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 5: I feel bad because I called myself watching the first couple of seasons that it'd be like, oh, whose wife is this? This is Speedy Claxton's wife, like Eric Williams, what's Eric Williams Boston Celtic's great Eric Williams.

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot going on. There's a whole lot. You live a full life, I you know, I don't. I don't. You don't want to live vicariously through me?

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Speaker 8: Yes, Dylan, I do appreciate how you tried to say you were watching the Red Sox game.

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't you gain us? I swear I just flipped the channel for two seconds, I.

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Speaker 2: Know which I did. But then I watch fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 6: That's how they get you.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 6: You see one drink get thrown and you're like, all right, I'll check this out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: Oh dang, next episode they're going to Cabo.

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Speaker 6: I gotta watch that one. I want to go to Cabo.

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Speaker 2: Well they went to Vegas. Oh boy, what goes on in Vegas? Didn't stay in Vegas?

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Speaker 3: What when Derek Coleme's ex wife finds his current wife?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: When the girls start nitioning some tea.

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Speaker 12: Girl.

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Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football companying the Baseball Today and Tonight, Al Michaels will be on the call with Kirk Herbstreak and it's an NFC West matchup. It's the Niners and the Rams kicking off at so FI at eight point fifteen Eastern on Prime Video.

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Speaker 11: Home game for you, Dan, Oh, nothing better than a home game? You're kidding, you know, I get per diem and I get mildly. It's perfect.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 2: Is there a stadium though that if you look back or you go to and you go, that's the best place to call a game. And then the stadium where you go, that's the worst place to call game.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, Kansas City was built like in nineteen seventy one or two arrowhead and they built it vertically and we sit right over the field, I mean at the fifty yard line, it's perfect. That's a game that I could actually call with the naked eye and not even have to look at the monitor. So far is really good. The newer stadiums you're a little bit higher. They're all pretty good. The worst of all time, of all time, and of course it was the worst stadium of all time, as well as Candlestick Park in San Francisco. It was cold, it was windy, you know. I did the Giants for three years and then but coling football. You were in a press box that was so high. One night, I said, I think on Monday night football. I said, it's the only place where you look down on the blimp.

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Speaker 2: That was the worst. Did you ever have all time? Did you ever have fog?

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Speaker 7: And so everything?

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Speaker 11: You know, when I was doing the Giants and they were Moribun franchise and they had chapter eleven and that a man named Bobblery, no relation to Jeff, came in and saved the team in nineteen seventy six. But it was so bad at Candlestick that one night they handed me a slip of paper with the attendance figure.

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Speaker 7: We had an intern.

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Speaker 11: His name was Larry bhar who was not the president of the team, and he was an intern in the press box, and he gave me a slip of paper and I looked at it and I went, you know what tonight's attendance.

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Speaker 7: Why don't I just tell you who's here.

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Speaker 11: Jim mccalpine have come in from Mill Valley, Harvey for Luki and has come up from San Xana station wagon with the dog. Those were the days my friend and I had left off forget. I had left the Cincinnati Reds the Big Red Machine because simply, you know, obviously it was a money grab. I mean, the Giants were going to triple my salary, So what was I supposed to do? But you know what's crazy? Sayce you and I. You know, I announced the Reds and you grew up in the area and loved the Reds. So I'm listening to the game the other night. The last time I'd forgotten the last time the Reds won a playoff series nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 7: I did it. I did it.

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Speaker 11: They beat the Dodgers in the Divisional round and have not won a postseasons since.

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: What about the I brought up the Big Red Machine. I think it's the best National League lineup that I can remember. You called those games with the big Red machine. And I'm probably biased because I was there all the time and got to listen to you call those games. But is there a National League team that would compare to them?

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Speaker 7: I can't think of one.

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Speaker 11: I mean, look, you were there, you know as a kid, I'm announcing those games. I mean you have Pete Rose in his prime, Johnny Bench entering his prime, Tony Perez in his prime, Joe Morgan getting traded over in his prime, dating conception on his prime, Sparky Anderson Hall of Fame manager.

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Speaker 7: I can't think of any team that you know.

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Speaker 11: I'm sure they have been through the years, some that people would say, hey, listen, they compared to that, But I can't think of one. In my last year, the nineteen seventy three, you know, we call up our top guy from the farm system. His name happened to be Ken Griffy Year. Yeah, whose kid had a pretty good career as well.

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Speaker 2: But if you were going to call, I'm going to give you your pick of any sport to call.

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Speaker 11: Well. I used to love baseball. I mean I built my career around baseball. I love baseball. I've been removed from it. I haven't done a game since the nineteen ninety five World Series Atlanta against Cleveland, so obviously i've been, I've been. I've been now involved with you know, football prime time. This is the fortieth year of doing primetime football between Monday night, Sunday night, Thursday night. I'll go to you know, if I live long enough, I'll do it like a Wednesday three am game.

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Speaker 7: So you know, right now, it's it's all about football for me.

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Speaker 11: You know, hockey is you know, obviously the centerpiece and that's the most relevant thing that you know, happened to me in my career obviously with Lake Placim. But hockey is a hard game to call, A rough game. I mean, it's it's so fast, and you know, obviously I was sent great effect for the guys like you know, Mike Emrick who did it for years. That's that's that's the toughest game to call. But as a fan, I think, you know, I love hockey.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

00:22:09
Speaker 11: I thank King season tickets for thirty three years. Season starts next week.

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Speaker 2: But being locked in on a game where you have to call, you're constantly calling the action, whereas baseball you can let it breathe football, you can let it breathe. Hockey. You can't let it breathe.

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Speaker 11: Yeah no. And you know TV and radio are pretty much the same. You almost have to do the same coal that you did on radio. On television, there's very little spacing there. And it's a it's a great little back and forth between the play by play man and the analyst in hockey because the analyst has to pick his foss. He has to know exactly when to come in. And on that note, I mean, I just have to shout out to the late Ken Dryden who passed away, you know in the past month, who was my partner in Lake Placid, and you know, in the middle of the Olympics, for calling seven games, including obviously the Soviet game in the victory over Finland that since the gold medal, and Kenny had never done. He'd never done announcing in his life. He had just retired from the Montreal Canadians after winning six Stanley Cups something five as in the trophies. It was unbelievable. He had to pick a sposs, get in and out in eight seconds. It was a tough thing to do when he did it.

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Speaker 2: Talking to al Michaels will be on the call Thursday Night Football on Prime Video with Herbie and that will start at eight fifteen Eastern. But working with somebody else, I mean, there's chemistry, synchronicity, But how do you how do you suggest to your analyst, don't go as long as you're going because I still have to get I have to set up the play. How do you do that in a professional manner?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think I've been lucky through the years because when I started doing Monday Night, Frank Giffort had done it for a lot of years, and then we added Dan Dierdorf in nineteen eighty seven, and Dan had had done a lot of broadcasting in Saint Louis. You know, the guys that I worked with are guys that have had a lot of experiences.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, when I had.

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Speaker 11: John Madden in two thousand and two through two thousand and eight, he understood top to bottom. Chris Collinsworth had had a lot of experience, I mean the only and I also had Dan Fousts for two years. But I had Dan with Dennis Miller. Now that was that was tricky, But Dennis was so smart, you know, he kind of figured out how to how to pull that thing off. But those were I got to tell you, those are two wild years. If you remember on Monday Night football with fouts and then do.

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Speaker 2: The Howard Cosell relationship, how would you sum that up of working with somebody who was you know, there's been nobody like him since, but dealing with somebody who had an ego that he thought he was probably more important than anybody else who was playing in a game.

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Speaker 11: Well, I did a lot of baseball with Howard in the seventies and into the eighties. It was a lot of fun at first. I got to say, I mean, the one thing about working with koselle is you I knew you would always come away with the story, and I've got a million of them, right, And Howard was he was fun to work with to a degree early on, and he got toward the end of his career and life just became bitter and it became very, very difficult to work with him in like nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five, and finally, you know, that was the end of Howard's broadcasting career.

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Speaker 7: So you know, at.

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Speaker 11: First, when you know, like in the seventies and early eighties, and it did a couple of World series with him as well.

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Speaker 7: He he was.

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Speaker 11: Fun and as I say, I go home and have you know, five stories from the night before, and then after that it was he did you know, he just grew tired of like everything at the end.

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Speaker 7: So it wasn't a pleasant departure.

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Speaker 2: You never got close to fistokovs like Brent Musburger with Jimmy the Greek.

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Speaker 7: No, no, not at all. No, he wouldn't have been able to handle them. At the end of my right before yeah, I left chef. You know what, can I tell you?

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Speaker 2: You would have thought helped him?

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Speaker 7: I would have pulled a stupe off.

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Speaker 6: First.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you want to do one more baseball game? One more hockey game?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 11: No, not really because uh uh with baseball, I mean I've been out of it for thirty years, Dan, so I'm you know, beyond rusty. Uh And I used to know obviously when I was doing baseball, I we knew everybody. Now I you know, I watched the All Star Game this year, I knew like six guys, seven guys. But I will say this, man, I do love postseason baseball. All of a sudden, I mean, it's it's great. I mean, you know, totally immersed in it already. So postseason baseball is as good as it gets. And just you know, it's in October. We're just the way, just the way that the sun is, you know, you watch the day games and the shadows and the whole thing. It's I don't want to say it's romantic, but I mean it's it's really it's very it's very very cool.

00:26:59
Speaker 7: I miss, but where do you party? Miss? For sure?

00:27:01
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on overtime in the NFL?

00:27:06
Speaker 7: I think they should go back to fifteen minutes.

00:27:10
Speaker 11: I think it's okay for a game to end and to tie, and when it was fifteen minutes, it did. But the ten minute thing is is, you know, somebody obviously the other team can get the ball. Now they've changed that rule, so each team is going to get no matter what the first team does. If they score a touchdown, the other team is going to get an opportunity. But they may only have two minutes. You know, you might have an eight minute drive. So I think I don't know why they went to the ten minute thing. I think maybe to reduce injuries, but you know, I mean what's the difference at a certain point, whether the game is seventy minutes or seventy five minutes.

00:27:40
Speaker 7: You got thats the only thing I would change. I'd go back to fifteen.

00:27:43
Speaker 2: You got the Rams and the Niners, and here you got the Niners a lot of interchangeable parts here. How does that change your approach tonight broadcasting doing play by play?

00:27:53
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, the Niners are star crossed. I mean last year six and eleven because of all of the injuries, and here we go again. Brock Perty is not playing tonight. George Kittle is is still an injured reserve. They're two top receivers Pearsol and Jenny's are out. They've got you know, I mean DeMarcus Robinson or Marcus Valdez Scamby are two of their guys that are gonna, you know, be the receivers tonight. Kittle's out, They've got a rookie left guard. They've got Mac Jones starting, but he's won two games for them already. So, I mean, the Niners are they're just a mass unit right now. But you know, it's the National Football League, and anything had happened. Meanwhile, the you know, the Rams look great. I mean, the Rams are definitely a Super Bowl contender. We were talking in our meeting last night about the offense. You've got Stafford, You've got Kyron Williams, one of the best backs in the league. Poka Nukua is over the moon. I mean, this guy is phenomenal. Nowy got Devonte Adams. Higbee is a tight end. He's out tonight.

00:28:53
Speaker 8: Uh.

00:28:54
Speaker 7: They're deep.

00:28:54
Speaker 11: They built you know, they built their team dan around the defensive line. What they've done with a defensive line with the Verse and Fisk and the other guys that they brought in and drafted. They did what the Niners did in the late nineties with John Lynch and Excoose me nothing that the late nineties, but in the late teens in twenty eighteen nineteen in that area, they went to two Super Bowls by building that defensive line around both and the other guys. Now they have none of those guys and the Rams have morphed into what the forty nine ers became on the defensive front. So, I mean, the Rams are a full fledged Super Bowl contender.

00:29:32
Speaker 2: Any problem with Tom Brady being in meetings with teams as a minority owner of the Raiders.

00:29:39
Speaker 11: Not really, No, I mean you can get all the information you need without necessarily being in those meetings.

00:29:46
Speaker 7: No, I have no problem with it at all.

00:29:48
Speaker 2: Ever been told something in the meeting that you wondered if it was true?

00:29:56
Speaker 14: Oh?

00:29:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot. But that was in the early days. Now the guys much better.

00:30:00
Speaker 11: But my favorite meeting Mike Morris, he's coaching the Rams when they were in Saint Louis in around two thousand and two or three. It's a Monday night game and we're in there and Mike says to us, hey, off the record, and he tells us something. And I have the Saint Louis Post dispatch on the desk in front of me. I said, Mike, here it is. It's on the front page of the Sport Session.

00:30:23
Speaker 2: Off the record.

00:30:26
Speaker 11: It became on the record. Well while we were sitting here at this meeting.

00:30:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:30:31
Speaker 7: Now most of the meetings.

00:30:33
Speaker 11: Look, the coaches understanding now, especially the younger guys, and they understand, you know, how to deal with the media, had to deal with the you know, with the broadcast folks.

00:30:43
Speaker 7: We were talking. It's funny.

00:30:44
Speaker 11: We were talking to Kyle Shanahan yesterday on the Zoom and Kyle was talking about, you know, every press conference now is you know, how's this guy has that guy?

00:30:51
Speaker 7: Is it a ligament? Is it attendant? What is it?

00:30:54
Speaker 11: And so all of a sudden he says, you know, I didn't go to medical school. I'm answering all these questions, which reminded me of one of my favorite story is Doc Rivers, who was my partner on the NBA back twenty years ago. And Doc was coaching the Celtics, like in the eight to nine area, and I think Paul Pierce had gotten hurt in a playoff game. So the first five questions are about Pierce. Know, how long is he out for? Is it an acl is it a ligament, what is it with? Blah blah blah blah blah. So after five or six questions, Doc finally looks down at the guy and he goes, hey, listen, He says, you do know Doc is a nickname.

00:31:26
Speaker 3: Right, So.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Steak before or after the game.

00:31:34
Speaker 11: You know, tonight, maybe a little a couple of bytes, maybe at halftime, but you know, I'll have like maybe a I'll have a burger at the hotel before I go over there, and then some candy corn during the game. And Junior mentioned and maybe maybe two or three bites of a steak maybe tomorrow night. Tomorrow night for sure, Dan at Tuscana.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, maybe you gonna eat some scraps for Herby's dog.

00:32:02
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Herby's dog's already almost one hundred pounds. He's just a baby. What's going on here? Crazy stuff?

00:32:09
Speaker 2: Man, have fun tonight. Great to see you again. Thank you about it.

00:32:12
Speaker 7: Always always great, Dan, take him man.

00:32:14
Speaker 12: Oh.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: Michaels Ell on the call with Herbie tonight Thursday Night Football on Prime Video. It'll be at SOFI at eight point fifteen Eastern Niners and the Rams. Last call for phone calls. What we learned once in store tomorrow, this day's sports history after this.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Charlie Sheen on the program tomorrow. It's been fourteen years since I've spoken to him, And that was a mess. That was a bomb that went off fourteen years ago when he called in and he was leaving two and a half men and we had tiger blood and winning now he's got a documentary. It's got a book out. So we'll talk to Charlie Sheen back on the program tomorrow.

00:33:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, she did.

00:33:05
Speaker 9: He have I want to say l I U winning the NCAA tournament that year in our bracket contest.

00:33:12
Speaker 2: Pauli still has the bracket. It was Acron versus l Iu.

00:33:16
Speaker 9: Akron versus Lu, That's what it was.

00:33:18
Speaker 10: Yeah.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, he filled out a bracket. That was bizarre that he filled out a bracket. What was the most random person that filled out a bracket? Yeah, Pauli.

00:33:29
Speaker 4: Michael Douglas, a legendary actor, participated twice.

00:33:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: I think it's a lost.

00:33:35
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, I don't know who he had winning.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: He has a lot on winning. He didn't fill it out. He signed his name and said the Loton's going to win. Seriously.

00:33:47
Speaker 2: Gambling podcast coming up. We're going to start taping that in about fifteen minute twenty minutes from now with Shayan Irving, Dylan and of course Bad Larry with picks on tonight's game and the game's coming up this weekend. Let me see Colby in California. Hi, Colby, what's on your mind?

00:34:07
Speaker 14: Hey Bob, Hey, I was hoping to get on before you had out, Michael Von, I wanted to remind or ask you to remind him about calling the Westminster Dog Show.

00:34:20
Speaker 2: With Will ferrells. Oh, that's right. Will wants to do that? Is it Will wants to do it or Al wants to do it with him? Colby?

00:34:28
Speaker 14: I thought I thought Will agreed it was it was one of your guys' ideas. I don't think you got Al to actually agreed.

00:34:36
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that could be a problem though, but yeah, I think we'll probably reach out. But yeah, thanks for the phone call there. Let's see Jim in Cleveland. Hi Jim, thanks for holding. What's on your mind?

00:34:53
Speaker 10: Hey?

00:34:54
Speaker 12: Dan?

00:34:54
Speaker 15: Six to four sympathy way to thirty. I had something about my son, But first, hey, can Marvin make a drop where when he tries to derail the show you maybe play that breaking my stride?

00:35:09
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess we'll maybe what else is on your mind?

00:35:14
Speaker 7: Okay?

00:35:16
Speaker 15: And then I had I'm from I'm from Detroit area and I moved to Cleveland and we just had a newborn son, and I told my wife's family that I want him to be a Rounds fan loyalty. But now I heard you talking earlier. That kind of sounds like a life of pain for him. So I'm not really sure where I should go with that, so I'll hang up on listening.

00:35:35
Speaker 2: You know what, I let my kids pick their fandom. I did not influence them anyway, but I just said, if you're in, be all in, you know, don't just don't change from year to year or that team. My team's not any good, and I'm going to root for that guy. You find that they do root for a team, but they also root for individuals because everybody plays fantasy Joe and Knoxville. Hi Joe, what's on your mind today?

00:36:01
Speaker 10: Hey guys, A long time listener, first time caller five ten, Rock Solid two twenty two. I was going to talk about the fastball differential, but first I'd like to say two big time lineups that I would say my favorite all time. The nineteen Astros. They had Springer, Brentley Altuve, Bregman Alvarez, Carrea, Kyle Tucker, Julie Gurio, and Martin Moldonado. And they also had Verlander, Cohen Grinky one two three. It's how they didn't win the World Series, I don't know. But also the ninety three Blue Jays with Henderson Devo, Monitor, Alamar Overwood, Carter ed Spray, Tony Fernandez, and a rookie Carlos Delgado. Just those two are just my favorite all time lineups. And as for the fastball, you go back and look at it. I believe they used to measure it from a different distance from the plate. You go back and watch when guys through, you know, eighty nine to ninety. You look at it now. I've watched so many games you can kind of sew it down a little. If you want ninety back then looks about like ninety three now if you watch ninety three ninety four now, if you watch the games like if you see it, it's still got a smooth pitch going in. It'll be ninety four miles an hour. That used to be what eighty nine to ninety looked like. So that's something to think about.

00:37:19
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you, Joe Nolan. Ryan was thrown over one hundred and it was different back then with the jugs gun. But you know, you talk to guys who faced him and they would swear that it was far more than one hundred miles an hour. But that was a big deal. It's like man he's throwing a hundred. He was throwing more than that. How about this day in sports history, Paul, just one, This one's fun.

00:37:42
Speaker 4: Nineteen twenty, the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates played the only tripleheader in baseball history. The Reds won two of the three games. They needed to play all of them because of the implications to the World Series. So there are two reinouts in a row. They played three games in one day in under six hours.

00:38:01
Speaker 2: On this date, twenty sixteen, Vin Sculling calls his final Dodgers game after sixty seven years. Also on this date, nineteen seventy eight, Bucky Dent three run homer Bucky f and Dent the Yankees eliminate the Red Sox that single playoff game for the Alias title. Also, Don Shula beat David Shula Dolphins over the Bengals. First ever NFL meeting between father and son head coaches Fresh and Milwaukee's back Hi Fresh.

00:38:33
Speaker 12: What is beat? And Dan Nick got a question for you, plan off of how great the pitchers and kickers are getting an evolution of sports athletes in general. Did you think there will ever be a time whether playing surfaces, baseball fields, football, fields will need to be larger.

00:38:56
Speaker 2: I've brought this up to the commissioner of the NBA. We'll get it. I think they might have to widen the court in the NBA just because of people. How many people are on the perimeter. And I don't know if you raise the hoop at any point. I think that that was something that came out in the seventies. Is it time to raise the basket to eleven feet? I hope that doesn't happen, but I could see where they widen the field or the court in basketball. I don't know if they'll do that with football or baseball. Baseball is about the dimensions you create your ballpark. I mean it really is amazing. Imagine if Golden State created their own basketball court and the three point shot was five feet further, just to play to Clay in Stepf's strengths can baseball they allow you to do that. It's like, this is what we do. We want a spacious stadium because we want to focus on pitching and defense, or we want a short left field or right field porch because we got home run hitters. Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program Dylan in for Fretz Sea today. Would you learn Fritzy Sandy Kofax apparently yes, and you're Don Drysdale Satan.

00:40:06
Speaker 9: Would you learn today not a lot of three MVP at the same time teams?

00:40:11
Speaker 3: Marvin, you're big in Turkey?

00:40:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, cosmetic surgery is really big in Turkey.

00:40:19
Speaker 3: That's Turkey A.

00:40:22
Speaker 4: Is that official Turkey A?

00:40:23
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:40:23
Speaker 10: It is?

00:40:24
Speaker 2: I think so.

00:40:25
Speaker 4: Hal Michael's stake at halftime, Dylan, what.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: Did I learn?

00:40:29
Speaker 12: Uh?

00:40:29
Speaker 6: You learned that Turkey A is Turkey.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: You didn't have anything, did you?

00:40:33
Speaker 7: No?

00:40:33
Speaker 6: I didn't. I'm not used to being Todd