The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom Leaks Online

<v Speaker 1>You'll be like a dummy bad.
<v Speaker 2>It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for September thirteenth,
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. For the next hour or so, let
<v Speaker 2>me help you sort through the world of gaming here
<v Speaker 2>on Game Mass Morning's Live with me Jeff Grubb. Today,
<v Speaker 2>a major Nintendo game is leaked online and price increases
<v Speaker 2>seem to be slowing PlayStation five sales in at least
<v Speaker 2>one territory. But first, please join me and welcome in
<v Speaker 2>today's co host, the Game Mess Mornings. It's the more
<v Speaker 2>who's saying, everybody, Tam, how are you doing?
<v Speaker 1>I am back, I am here, and I'm ready to
<v Speaker 1>talk about some absolute bottom of the barrel news story.
<v Speaker 2>Let's fucking go Thursday. We get it gets pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>We got the last couple of Thursdays I've been doing shows.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, hey, there's plenty of talk about here, and
<v Speaker 2>then Friday's sort of just the remnants of that. And
<v Speaker 2>it really, I mean, dregs is the best way to
<v Speaker 2>describe it. It's what's left over at the bottom of
<v Speaker 2>the way. That's what we do best. Though. Yeah, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna make it ready. Yeah, absolutely, I'm yawning. I'm ready.
<v Speaker 2>It's it is Friday. I'm looking forward to the weekend.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take it easy. After a lot of travel this,
<v Speaker 2>you know, this summer and stuff. I'm gonna have an
<v Speaker 2>easy weekend looking forward to that. You got any games though,
<v Speaker 2>lined up or that you're gonna catch up on.
<v Speaker 1>I have games that I will be playing that I
<v Speaker 1>will not say the names of.
<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, okay, so yes, good reasons, uh huh catching
<v Speaker 2>up on real work exactly. I'm kind of gonna like
<v Speaker 2>just give myself permission to like placing these games. They
<v Speaker 2>are like in the the very recent back backlog, like
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Outlaws. I want to play more of that
<v Speaker 2>Space Marines two. We're gonna play some of that on
<v Speaker 2>the site today, everybody. But then I'm gonna try to
<v Speaker 2>beat that game because it's not too long, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>it would just feel good to beat a game. Not
<v Speaker 2>that I was, like I ever put too much of
<v Speaker 2>an emphasis on that when it's on when I'm playing
<v Speaker 2>a game for fun, because it's like, who cares. I
<v Speaker 2>like to play games because I like to play games,
<v Speaker 2>not because I like to have like seecret, It's that
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean too much to me, and I say that,
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it still still feels good to see those credits,
<v Speaker 2>so I might try to make that happen. I will
<v Speaker 2>be watching this ooh okay, oh Man, Batman Beyond was
<v Speaker 2>very good. This is the Batman you watch? I lost
<v Speaker 2>you there for a second. Man. Discord has been acting
<v Speaker 2>up this week. That's not on you or me. I
<v Speaker 2>don't think this is Discord being kind of a piece
<v Speaker 2>of shit. Batman Beyond was I will also be reading this,
<v Speaker 2>Oh new x men. I never read that. How is
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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, now's they all get canceled in god Meal game?
<v Speaker 2>And GOT is getting canceled rightfully? So apparently did.
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<v Speaker 2>Someone tell me we have a Grant Marrison. We can't
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<v Speaker 2>All right, we have a lot to get into, so
<v Speaker 2>let's start the Morning Mess with a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>a PSA. Zelda exs.
<v Speaker 1>Marston is not canceled. That's the PSA.
<v Speaker 2>Who we did it? Everybody? Sadly? Warren ls is Warren?
<v Speaker 2>Now okay, yeah, I see, And you can mix those up.
<v Speaker 2>I mix those up constantly. I can all the time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, all right, fair enough. From Ali Reynolds and
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo Life, Echoes of Wisdom has reportedly leaked online in full.
<v Speaker 2>If you're active on social media or online forums, you
<v Speaker 2>might want to start muting keywords or simply opt to
<v Speaker 2>spend your time elsewhere, because it looks like the Legendzelda
<v Speaker 2>Ech's of the Wisdom has leaked on online almost two
<v Speaker 2>weeks before it's released. Basically people can play it in emulators.
<v Speaker 1>At test point, I feel like it's not a controversial
<v Speaker 1>thing to say that we need to shut the online down.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Internet, I mean, especially after that recent Internet
<v Speaker 2>Archive case where I'm like that was like the last
<v Speaker 2>good thing on the Internet, and like they're going to
<v Speaker 2>try to get rid of that shit. It's I'm kind
<v Speaker 2>of getting bummed out every time I log on as.
<v Speaker 1>The kids to the online, every time I hear about
<v Speaker 1>the online people on the online are doing something very weird,
<v Speaker 1>doing it.
<v Speaker 2>Live on Instagram Live. My man just rocked up.
<v Speaker 1>To Instagram, the live service in which the live events
<v Speaker 1>in your area are being beamed to hundreds and thousands
<v Speaker 1>potentially millions, and began.
<v Speaker 2>Shaggy yes, going to town.
<v Speaker 1>And ESPN when it's all right, it's fine, it's cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Is a man who does that in media?
<v Speaker 2>That is the.
<v Speaker 1>Most Boomer coded thing you could possibly do.
<v Speaker 2>That's like also very coded in the way that every
<v Speaker 2>ESPN host has ever been. I don't even know if
<v Speaker 2>he's at ESPN anymore. I think he had like with
<v Speaker 2>the Fox, came back to ESPN maybe, but he h
<v Speaker 2>it's just like what's his name of Stephen A. Smith
<v Speaker 2>with the hey check this out, and then just copying
<v Speaker 2>the name of a file on his computer into Twitter
<v Speaker 2>and it's just image underscore four six dot jpeg. All
<v Speaker 2>those guys the same way. So I find it very
<v Speaker 2>familiar and comforting. And then I don't know, Deshaun Watson
<v Speaker 2>maybe having a Burner account.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I personally here we are right.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've got too comfortable with sex related
<v Speaker 1>stuff on the online Yeah, I mean everything is empowering,
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like there's some situation.
<v Speaker 2>The fuck you to.
<v Speaker 1>The only SCOREL girl I know is the character Miss Scroggo,
<v Speaker 1>who is a absolute delight. She defeated Galactus very easily,
<v Speaker 1>which is very amusing to me. The rest of it,
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what.
<v Speaker 2>He talked about. I think there's apparently a squirrel girl
<v Speaker 2>on some fighting game. What was that? Sean Mike Manadi
<v Speaker 2>has been harping on Squirrel Girls all week, you know.
<v Speaker 1>How great, But like, I feel like we should.
<v Speaker 2>Like Blaze Blue. Oh okay, now now we're talking okay, incredible, Okay, but.
<v Speaker 1>Shannon like sharp should like he's he's not even like
<v Speaker 1>remotely embarrassed by this.
<v Speaker 2>I'm embarrassed, but he did not act.
<v Speaker 1>Now he's been there's been no repercussions. I feel like,
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, if we're not gonna have shame about this,
<v Speaker 1>we should have a period of time where you're allowed
<v Speaker 1>to be ruthlessly like made fun of Yeah, like for
<v Speaker 1>the next next like six months of ESPN broadcasts.
<v Speaker 2>He should be people should be allowed to poke fun
<v Speaker 2>at him. Oh yeah, and make fun at him for
<v Speaker 2>being like it.
<v Speaker 1>There's a confirmation prompt before you go live, how did.
<v Speaker 2>You do this? Uh huh? And a lunatic just threw
<v Speaker 2>it on his bed and went to town. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the online was a mistake and Zelda Echoes of Wisdom
<v Speaker 2>is leaked on there as well. People are worried about spoilers.
<v Speaker 2>I get it. Nintendo's got put out a lot of
<v Speaker 2>trailers for this game and has shown a lot, So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>if you're worried about spoilers, also avoid the trailers. I
<v Speaker 2>suppose the game will be out in a couple of weeks. Nintendo,
<v Speaker 2>I know hates this. They clearly hate hate, hate this,
<v Speaker 2>and I think it will It will inform a lot
<v Speaker 2>of how things work on the Switch to.
<v Speaker 1>I bet if anyone can shut the online down this Nintendo.
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see. But I'm you know, this is this
<v Speaker 2>is a story We've seen with these big games on
<v Speaker 2>on Switch every time now for years, so it's not
<v Speaker 2>some big surprise. But yeah, if people are worried about this,
<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna have to go mute the terms on
<v Speaker 2>Twitter or avoid social media and message boards. And when
<v Speaker 2>someone does post something about this game and says spoilers,
<v Speaker 2>it's probably like real deal spoilers. Spoilers. Yeah. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but you're gonna have full playthroughs of this game online
<v Speaker 2>starting today.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, look, there's gonna be like spoiler. Zelda is
<v Speaker 1>the girl.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she took off her mech suit and look
<v Speaker 2>underneath her, she's got a bikini on. It's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever talk to Did you ever? Speaker tell
<v Speaker 1>the story of talking to Nintendo about the Lord of Spiders.
<v Speaker 2>I've told it somewhere. I don't know if I told
<v Speaker 2>her on Gameless Mornings, but it was this game. I
<v Speaker 2>was told by a friend to ask Nintendo about the
<v Speaker 2>Lord of Spiders, and I said, Tam, that would make
<v Speaker 2>me sound crazy that I'm like pretty hesitant about doing that.
<v Speaker 2>The opportunities did present itself when we got our extended
<v Speaker 2>demo of Zelda Echoes of Wisdom at Pax West, where
<v Speaker 2>they were like, hey, you know you can kind of
<v Speaker 2>solve these things in any way, but you can't talk
<v Speaker 2>about the exact solutions for this stuff as part of
<v Speaker 2>the embargo, and so I asked it like clarified. It's like, well,
<v Speaker 2>can we like explain like if like someone were to say,
<v Speaker 2>solve everything in this entire demo, this ninety minute demo
<v Speaker 2>that is about showing off all the different powers, what
<v Speaker 2>if they only use spiders? And every single Nintendo PR
<v Speaker 2>person and the security guy everyone immediate was like, oh
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about Tomorrow's saying the Lord of Spiders?
<v Speaker 2>That me and Dan and Mike just look at each
<v Speaker 2>other like all right, okay, I guess his reputation did
<v Speaker 2>present him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was one of the greatest days of my life.
<v Speaker 1>Where employee looked at me. I was like, you cannot
<v Speaker 1>do this with only spiders. And I looked back at
<v Speaker 1>him and I was like, you have no idea what
<v Speaker 1>you've just done. And then I proceeded to complete every
<v Speaker 1>part of that demo used by only someononing a spider
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, what.
<v Speaker 2>The fuck this was? This was a pr you know,
<v Speaker 2>the product representative from Nintendo, Jason, he did the demo
<v Speaker 2>for us as well, and he just looks so like
<v Speaker 2>haggard about it, like to show these things off, and
<v Speaker 2>he just wouldn't. It was just all spiders. It was spiders.
<v Speaker 2>It was like a mechanic.
<v Speaker 1>It was He's like, oh, there's this mechanic and I
<v Speaker 1>looked at him anyway, stop.
<v Speaker 2>Which I think this story is going to help people
<v Speaker 2>understand what that game is really exactly exactly you can do.
<v Speaker 2>It is like so open ended. It sounds like an
<v Speaker 2>immers because it kind of.
<v Speaker 1>Is exactly And that's why I was able to do
<v Speaker 1>it because I've played a crazy amount of SIMS.
<v Speaker 2>YEP. I was like, I'm going a spider. I'm doing
<v Speaker 2>a spider run. Was it was very very very cool,
<v Speaker 2>very fun, and the game delivers on that stuff because
<v Speaker 2>when things go wrong, it's also very funny. Mike set
<v Speaker 2>himself on fire by using a bed to like move
<v Speaker 2>fire from one spot to the other, but then they
<v Speaker 2>stood on the bed and caught the fire. Very funny game.
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to it out later this month. But
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna be playing it right now, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Astrobot launch sales seem fine. They seem maybe they're like,
<v Speaker 2>they're fine. Here we go. Brought this from a couple places.
<v Speaker 2>First from Christopher Ring on Twitter. Astrobout's UK launch is solid.
<v Speaker 2>He says first week sales are twenty one percent higher
<v Speaker 2>than the debut of Ratchet and Clank rift apart in
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. Astro was number two last week, behind
<v Speaker 2>Space Marine two, which was the UK's last fastest selling
<v Speaker 2>Warhammer game ever, beating Total Warhammer three. And then he
<v Speaker 2>also clarified that the games early on can do well
<v Speaker 2>despite the lower install base, responding to someone saying there's
<v Speaker 2>fewer PlayStation fives when Ratching Clank sold, so only doing
<v Speaker 2>twenty one percent better than that maybe isn't great. HEA's
<v Speaker 2>like saying there was more excitement maybe at that time
<v Speaker 2>for every game, and raction Clank is also an established
<v Speaker 2>IP and an action game which lends better to week
<v Speaker 2>one performance. And he says, sales seem okay to me,
<v Speaker 2>but nothing amazing. And then to add to that separately,
<v Speaker 2>Astrobot was number two on the Japanese weekly sales chart,
<v Speaker 2>behind Toho and Maku Kagura Fantasia Loss. Probably you nail that,
<v Speaker 2>thank you. I'm sure I got that perfectly right. Physically,
<v Speaker 2>Astrobot moved twelve thousand, six hundred and seventy two copies
<v Speaker 2>in Japan.
<v Speaker 1>What about emotionally? All right, well, how much did Astrobot
<v Speaker 1>move emotionally? We're always talking about physical movement of games.
<v Speaker 1>When will we start talking about emotional movement of the game.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I personally, Jeff Grub was one million emotionally
<v Speaker 1>moved by astro Bat.
<v Speaker 2>I think if we're if emotions can be spent by
<v Speaker 2>a corporation, I think this is going to be the
<v Speaker 2>biggest one yet. This is definitely number one all time.
<v Speaker 2>It is a blockbuster in emotions. Twelve thousand is a ton.
<v Speaker 2>But also there were reports of the game sold out
<v Speaker 2>in Japan and was sold out on Amazon Japan and
<v Speaker 2>at multiple retailers, So maybe they didn't just show what
<v Speaker 2>is went on? Is there a portal to heaven in
<v Speaker 2>your home? Fuck? Is going on? Man? Did I heard
<v Speaker 2>like a there's it's okay for audio listeners. A bright
<v Speaker 2>light came to take Tam away from us. He's still there.
<v Speaker 2>He refused it.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, I was like, no, I'm not ready, not
<v Speaker 1>ready to get I've got more problems to make around.
<v Speaker 2>I think Astro is going to be just fine. Uh what, Tam,
<v Speaker 2>is that your Elgatto light or what? No, it's just
<v Speaker 2>a light. All light is randomly turning up several million degrees?
<v Speaker 2>What is it? Christ? I am sorry, that's okay, He's
<v Speaker 2>all right, everybody. Uh, if he listened the light comestry,
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe next.
<v Speaker 1>Just like maybe I think it might be my time to.
<v Speaker 2>Go right exactly. Not that it's not a bad thing.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think. No, it's that right by everyone. I
<v Speaker 2>think Astro's gonna be fine. I think that word of
<v Speaker 2>mouth will get it through the holiday. I just I
<v Speaker 2>did get in my head a little bit that it
<v Speaker 2>seemed like word of mouth was already popping off and
<v Speaker 2>the thing would just explode out of the gate. And
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe it is maybe the Week one sales are
<v Speaker 2>going to lead into even stronger Week two sales, But
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. The word about this is probably gonna
<v Speaker 2>help this game quite a bit through the holidays. What
<v Speaker 2>do you think? Yeah, what a mouth And it is
<v Speaker 2>a prime like packing game.
<v Speaker 1>Like if they don't pack this into like a holiday bundle,
<v Speaker 1>they are cuckoo bananas. And if they don't pack it
<v Speaker 1>into like a PlayStation five professional bundle, then they even
<v Speaker 1>more cuckoo bananas. It feels like it will definitely get
<v Speaker 1>a boost from over the next few weeks by word
<v Speaker 1>of mouth. I I feel like Sony is now like
<v Speaker 1>reaping what it so's to a degree where it's like,
<v Speaker 1>we are we are about a certain type of game.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is we we are we now.
<v Speaker 1>There was a time where you could you would associate
<v Speaker 1>place Station almost to not exactly the same, but to
<v Speaker 1>a similar degree to Nintendo when it comes to like
<v Speaker 1>the type of game they.
<v Speaker 2>Make, variety, the appeal of it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I feel like the target demographic, the specific target demographic,
<v Speaker 1>not the people who also enjoy it. The target demographic
<v Speaker 1>for Astrobot has been so like pushed out of what
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation accommodates and represents that they might just not even
<v Speaker 1>be looking like they might not be They might be
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else right now. They might be on Switch, they
<v Speaker 1>might be some on PC, maybe a doubt Xbox, but
<v Speaker 1>you know, but like they might just not be aware
<v Speaker 1>of it enough to that and the install bases there
<v Speaker 1>for it, which is again reaping what you saw. I'm
<v Speaker 1>probably wrong, and I hope I'm wrong because I really
<v Speaker 1>want this game to succeed.
<v Speaker 2>I think I think you're right, and I think that
<v Speaker 2>is something that can also change quickly when people like
<v Speaker 2>sort of have an epiphany it's like, oh, I actually,
<v Speaker 2>what the hell I love this game too. I think
<v Speaker 2>that can happen in an instant, and I just I
<v Speaker 2>was expecting that instant to happen the moment the game launched.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be a process over the
<v Speaker 2>next few months as more and more people like look
<v Speaker 2>around for a game, especially You're right, as they get
<v Speaker 2>the PS five pro. If it's not packed in, if
<v Speaker 2>it's right, there as an option to be like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>this is a nuke and not that it's going to
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like it's got PS five pro features.
<v Speaker 2>The game just already runs the way they want it
<v Speaker 2>to run. But whatever, I still think what people get
<v Speaker 2>new hardware, they'll look for a game to get, and
<v Speaker 2>that this is sitting there as the big, shiny new
<v Speaker 2>game that just got a ninety four on Metacritic and
<v Speaker 2>as in the Game of the Year discussions, that is
<v Speaker 2>going to be the part of that process of convincing
<v Speaker 2>people to like give that a shot. But I think
<v Speaker 2>you're right that it's just not the game that a
<v Speaker 2>lot of PlayStation gamers are looking for, you know, Drink
<v Speaker 2>said it. I tend to agree with this that if
<v Speaker 2>this game had the Nintendo logo on it, it probably
<v Speaker 2>sells four times as many copies right out of the game.
<v Speaker 1>It would pop off of its top off. It'll be crazy.
<v Speaker 1>But sadly, do you think this is a crazy question?
<v Speaker 1>I think I know the answer.
<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear it. Do you think this game?
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this game comes to any other platforms?
<v Speaker 2>I mean it comes to PC for sure, right, but
<v Speaker 2>you reckon like the licensing on that You're right, maybe
<v Speaker 2>there are contracts.
<v Speaker 1>One trillion characters in there that belong to other people.
<v Speaker 2>But I assume that if they were maybe if they
<v Speaker 2>were smart.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly like they If they were smart enough
<v Speaker 1>to build that kind of language into whatever negotiations that
<v Speaker 1>we're doing in perpetuity, maybe it would work. I would
<v Speaker 1>I would be fascinated to see if this came to PC,
<v Speaker 1>or even more than that, like when it come to
<v Speaker 1>like a switch to or something like that, that could be.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Lego Horizon on switch this holiday apparently. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>after that, anything is possible. Does feel like anything's definitely
<v Speaker 2>more possible than it's ever been. I don't think it's impossible.
<v Speaker 2>The thing's up on switch to. Yeah, you're you're right,
<v Speaker 2>but I think they'll they'll find a way. You're on
<v Speaker 2>PC if what we just talked about with the legal
<v Speaker 2>stuff is not an issue, which you're right. I guess
<v Speaker 2>I had not been thinking about that. I guess there
<v Speaker 2>is another side to the story that is maybe one
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons that the game sold a little bit
<v Speaker 2>slower is that people were just out weren't out as
<v Speaker 2>much buying new PlayStations because of the price increase, which
<v Speaker 2>is our next story. PlayStation five sales plummet in Japan
<v Speaker 2>following recent price hikes from Alex Hopley, a game reactor.
<v Speaker 1>This is this this news story is the equivalent of
<v Speaker 1>that guy holding a gun to himself.
<v Speaker 2>That is this story new story as the one that
<v Speaker 2>the meme of the guy the gun where it's like
<v Speaker 2>backwards and it's like he's holding forward, it's playing around.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, it's it's the guy. But it's the
<v Speaker 1>second version of the guy. Like it's a replica. Oh
<v Speaker 1>he's he's holding a gun to his own head, but
<v Speaker 1>it's the second version. O.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, totally, yes, absolutely right, And I you know, it
<v Speaker 3>felt like these companies were getting away with most of
<v Speaker 3>these price increases and maybe this just one too many,
<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's the combination of the PS five Pro
<v Speaker 3>being like right on the cusp and a lot of
<v Speaker 3>people being aware of that.
<v Speaker 2>But from alex be a game Reactor. PlayStation has had
<v Speaker 2>a roller coaster of ups and downs over the last
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. First there was the whole Concord debacle.
<v Speaker 2>Then came the high of Astrobot being the highest rated
<v Speaker 2>game of the year so far, following by the mixed
<v Speaker 2>bag of responses to the PS five Pro and as
<v Speaker 2>well as a price hike to the PS five in Japan. Understandably,
<v Speaker 2>the latest development, PERSNY and its price hike hasn't gone
<v Speaker 2>down well, and the console managed to sell half of
<v Speaker 2>what it did last week in the In this week's sales,
<v Speaker 2>as reported by Famitsu, the console just got eleven eight
<v Speaker 2>hundred units sold, not a great sign, especially as we're
<v Speaker 2>about to see the launch of an even more expensive machine.
<v Speaker 2>For comparison, the Switch sold sixty seven, four hundred and
<v Speaker 2>seventy three units in Japan, which was up from the
<v Speaker 2>previous week, and PS five sold thirty eight hundred and
<v Speaker 2>sixty five in the previous week, so it was down,
<v Speaker 2>you know, sixty six percent. It's not the right math,
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, down a lot. And then it did forty
<v Speaker 2>three thousand in the prior year. So price got seemed
<v Speaker 2>to really hurt this system in particular. Do you think
<v Speaker 2>part of that was people just waiting for the PS
<v Speaker 2>five Pro and now that they see the high price
<v Speaker 2>of that, maybe that we could see like a replication
<v Speaker 2>of this sort of people like bulking at the price.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. I just everything around this reveal
<v Speaker 1>of this pro has been very confusing, Like I don't
<v Speaker 1>understand how a company that has released multiple pieces of
<v Speaker 1>hardware mostly significantly successful so a couple here in there
<v Speaker 1>that might have flopped a bit could make it like
<v Speaker 1>such a weird, confusing approach to announcing a new piece
<v Speaker 1>of hardware. Like it feels like everything that you did
<v Speaker 1>in announcing the PlayStation five Pro was designed to hurt itself.
<v Speaker 2>It's very confusing.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so I'm so baffled by all of this, Like
<v Speaker 1>between the level of the price, the fact that the
<v Speaker 1>price is not the issue. The issue is they didn't
<v Speaker 1>present the value proposition along with the price in a
<v Speaker 1>way that's easily communicable. Like you know, we have like
<v Speaker 1>Richard a Digital Foundry now coming out and being like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>this thing is worth it basically saying like you're paying
<v Speaker 1>for a forty seven E basically, and you know, you
<v Speaker 1>know there's Sony Super Sexy Texture Upgrade System or whatever
<v Speaker 1>it's called, yeah, whatever or whatever it's called, like that
<v Speaker 1>apparently is like too legit to quit, and like it's
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff that the other we made.
<v Speaker 2>The Jaggies made everything episode or there's no reason an
<v Speaker 2>episode that's kind of junk. Yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 1>None of that was like effectively communicated at all. So
<v Speaker 1>people are just kind of left there looking at this
<v Speaker 1>thing and going do you just want us to give
<v Speaker 1>you seven hundred dollars, Like, if that's what you want,
<v Speaker 1>just tell us.
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird.
<v Speaker 1>And now in kind of like the kind of fallout
<v Speaker 1>of that is something like this where you know prices
<v Speaker 1>and you they jacked up the price of the original
<v Speaker 1>in preparation for this, like you know that's the case,
<v Speaker 1>and now that the people have seen the PlayStation five
<v Speaker 1>Pro and then now they're thinking back, probably in Japan,
<v Speaker 1>at the price of the change in the original and
<v Speaker 1>they're like.
<v Speaker 2>Why would I do this? Like this is crazy.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to buy this thing, especially if they
<v Speaker 1>now can see it and like, oh, this thing is
<v Speaker 1>closer to the new version that's.
<v Speaker 2>Coming out, I'm not going to buy it. Yep.
<v Speaker 1>It's a very very strange move that makes zero sense
<v Speaker 1>to me. And I am completely unsurprised by the fact
<v Speaker 1>that sales have plummeted in Japan following the price hike
<v Speaker 1>and also following the likely and I expect it will
<v Speaker 1>be similar following the announcement of a new version of
<v Speaker 1>the console that is even more expensive.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you that that it's bad Wing.
<v Speaker 2>I think the only reason that it is up here
<v Speaker 2>is the company is going to do this thing, and
<v Speaker 2>they're kind of building the marketing in front of them
<v Speaker 2>as they go, and they're like kind of waiting for
<v Speaker 2>things to fall into place where it's like, what is
<v Speaker 2>the easy marketing message that we did with the PS
<v Speaker 2>four pro, which was you got a four K TV,
<v Speaker 2>here's the four K console? Very easy? They want something
<v Speaker 2>like that, and they're like waiting for that obvious marketing
<v Speaker 2>beat to present itself and it never did. So now
<v Speaker 2>they're stuck kind of going like, all right, we're going
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the technical stuff and make that make sense.
<v Speaker 2>And the reality is they're just they're actually just not
<v Speaker 2>very good at making that messaging. It's it's a tough thing.
<v Speaker 2>It's actually it requires a lot of skill and understanding
<v Speaker 2>of the mediums that you're working in, like YouTube, Like
<v Speaker 2>they clearly didn't understand what they were doing on YouTube
<v Speaker 2>with the tiny little windows and and and just the
<v Speaker 2>kinds of details they were showing off where it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you understand, the majority of people are going to be
<v Speaker 2>watching on their phone, a lot of people might be
<v Speaker 2>watching on their TV. A lot of people watch YouTube
<v Speaker 2>on their TV these days, but they're far away from
<v Speaker 2>that thing. None of this is going to show off well,
<v Speaker 2>especially with YouTube compression. They just didn't.
<v Speaker 1>Resume into like a tiny texture. It looks gross on
<v Speaker 1>both sides. Yeah, like they look how good and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, fuck, looks awful.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>It was like zoomed in on a pimple basically and
<v Speaker 1>showed me two different versions of it.
<v Speaker 2>Stop it. Yep.
<v Speaker 1>It is baffling that they would do it like this,
<v Speaker 1>and also like it just had led to immediately the
<v Speaker 1>discussion around like what does this mean for PlayStation six,
<v Speaker 1>which is like that is I think that is the
<v Speaker 1>worst thing that has come out of this.
<v Speaker 2>It's like that it's a consoy about that already.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a console that has not even been mentioned by Sony,
<v Speaker 1>and people are already like, I don't know if I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to get that thing. Well, I wouldn't be surprised
<v Speaker 1>if this is the generation where more PlayStation owners or
<v Speaker 1>that is the generation where more PlayStation owners moved to
<v Speaker 1>PC than ever before.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if that thing comes out at but I don't care.
<v Speaker 1>You're right, If that thing comes out at like eight
<v Speaker 1>nine one, eight nine hundred and one thousand dollars, that's
<v Speaker 1>going to be real find like I think to way
<v Speaker 1>too many companies think they app and not even Apple
<v Speaker 1>is Apple anymore.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I get all the justifications that people give
<v Speaker 2>me in comments where it's like people buy a thousand
<v Speaker 2>dollars phone every year, and it's like, honey, this is
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking stupid and these aren't phones. These aren't it's
<v Speaker 2>not something you're carrying with you every day.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the immediate utility of a thousand dollars phone.
<v Speaker 2>I make money. I haven't phone, Like I just I
<v Speaker 2>use it to create content and to make business deals,
<v Speaker 2>to talk to people that are are connections and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that. That's a console is a very specific thing.
<v Speaker 2>Let's just be realistic about this. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And also, like to be clear, I don't want that
<v Speaker 1>to happen. I want PlayStation to thrive. I love PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>consoles and PlayStation games in the same way that I
<v Speaker 1>love Xbox PC. I'm probably prom I'm probably gonna get
<v Speaker 1>one as well. Yeah, exactly. And I am the freak
<v Speaker 1>that they're talking to. I'm looking at the other three
<v Speaker 1>freaks that they want to be talking to, who are like,
<v Speaker 1>what the fun.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, I think it's worth criticizing still
<v Speaker 2>because it's it just seems a little bit like, do
<v Speaker 2>this because they feel like they can do it, and
<v Speaker 2>it's I want them to, you know, wine and dine
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit better than they have to make
<v Speaker 2>me feel better about this purchase. They aren't making me
<v Speaker 2>feel great about it right now. I the PS six
<v Speaker 2>probably isn't it's priced four years away from today, but.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, they seem that he's on sale four three hundred dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like the price you think it's it's
<v Speaker 2>got to be at least sven hundred dollars. We don't
<v Speaker 2>launch this right, PS six, I think a minimum.
<v Speaker 1>I think this is I think this is exactly what
<v Speaker 1>everyone thought it would be.
<v Speaker 2>This is setting is setting the table.
<v Speaker 1>The level is four for the next PlayStation and the
<v Speaker 1>very they very much could be worth every pay penny.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, PlayStation five was case.
<v Speaker 1>The PlayStation five was pricey compared to previous generations, but
<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe that it's it earned its keep in
<v Speaker 1>that way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people did spend seven hundred dollars
<v Speaker 2>on a thing on eBay, and I don't hear a
<v Speaker 2>lot of people complaining about that. Purchase it could.
<v Speaker 1>I think the other thing is like that really disappointed
<v Speaker 1>me in the PlayStation five pro is they just showed
<v Speaker 1>off all the games. Man, Like, I know how difficult
<v Speaker 1>it can be to have a brand new game to
<v Speaker 1>be like, look.
<v Speaker 2>At, well this can be.
<v Speaker 1>But the fact that they just showed off shit that
<v Speaker 1>everyone's played and has.
<v Speaker 2>Is that the real problem with that is that the
<v Speaker 2>stuff that they talked about right where it's like, here
<v Speaker 2>are these great games that you've played before, and here
<v Speaker 2>they are with good ray tracing and four K at
<v Speaker 2>sixty three per second. It's all of the same points
<v Speaker 2>that we heard when the PS five launched exactly. Now
<v Speaker 2>they're like, but we're really doing it this time, and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>maybe exactly we were. Boy who cries wolfing on this
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, like I believe it more this time.
<v Speaker 2>But it's just not a compelling argument. That's all.
<v Speaker 1>This is how how hard it would have been, would
<v Speaker 1>it have been for them to like show off all
<v Speaker 1>the like intricate details and then slowly zoom out And
<v Speaker 1>it's an image from Ghosts of Tushima, And it's an
<v Speaker 1>image that you know, the first ever image of Ghosts
<v Speaker 1>of Sushima, the sequel Ghost of Suma too, and they're like,
<v Speaker 1>we will have more on this game soon and that's it,
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't even have to talk about how it
<v Speaker 1>runs on that thing. Just show any sort of reason
<v Speaker 1>to get excited about PlayStation yep. And they just didn't
<v Speaker 1>do anything like that. It was just like here's old game,
<v Speaker 1>here's old game. He's old game, and like, great, Spider
<v Speaker 1>Man looks better. I won't be playing it. I'm good,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that. And I think, like, show me
<v Speaker 1>some of Wolverine's bare ass and zoom in onto his hair,
<v Speaker 1>r zooming into his bat crack.
<v Speaker 2>Here, this a great place to announce that, like Venom
<v Speaker 2>game that expand alone's apparently come in, do that here, I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean anything, do anything by show me the same games
<v Speaker 1>that you've already got, because guess what already paid for them,
<v Speaker 1>not going to be paying for a device to try
<v Speaker 1>and be like I'm gonna play the Last of Us too, No,
<v Speaker 1>thank you, I will not be playing that game ever again.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just not what consoles have usually made their pitch. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think the anxiousness to some people have when we
<v Speaker 2>talk about over on PC, I'm pretty happy and they
<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear that they want to be on console.
<v Speaker 2>I think they feel that, especially now, because it feels
<v Speaker 2>like they have fewer options than ever, and Tony does
<v Speaker 2>not feel the pressure from the competition of Xbox, and
<v Speaker 2>they don't feel like many of their gamers are actually
<v Speaker 2>going to go to PC. They feel like they got
<v Speaker 2>a huge audience locked in and they're treating them that way.
<v Speaker 2>And I get white people are sort of bristling at that,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know who to blame there at a
<v Speaker 2>certain point.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the reason why I get so like up
<v Speaker 1>in my feelings about it is because I really want
<v Speaker 1>consoles to remain success. I want them to be I
<v Speaker 1>want them to be more than ever. I want them
<v Speaker 1>to come in and start kicking PC's ass a bit,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like start like shaking Nintendo
<v Speaker 1>around and punching Xbox in the penis.
<v Speaker 2>I do that kind of shit.
<v Speaker 1>But like, if you call it me coming in and
<v Speaker 1>like tripping over your own foot and then being like
<v Speaker 1>love me, I'm cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's perfectly right for to be like, this was
<v Speaker 2>a bummer of an announcement, and I wish they would
<v Speaker 2>have done better. All right, let's take a quick break,
<v Speaker 2>will come back. Plenty more headlines, including some mess happening
<v Speaker 2>over Anna Purna Interactive right after this, all right, we're
<v Speaker 2>back and real quick. Uh. Dam, I got my jacket
<v Speaker 2>that you helped me get with the gift card for
<v Speaker 2>my birthday. I'm very happy with that. It's very completely
<v Speaker 2>forgot about you. You got me gifts car. Finally I
<v Speaker 2>almost forgot about it and then I used it, So
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad. I glad to remember. All right, let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>Ana Purna Interactive's entire workforce has resigned. This is from
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Miller at VGC by way of Jason tryer Over
<v Speaker 2>at Bloomberg. Uh. The entire workforce of Anna Perna Interactive,
<v Speaker 2>the video game publishing division of Anna Perna Studio, has resigned,
<v Speaker 2>as first reported by Bloomberg, and Interactive president Nathan Gary
<v Speaker 2>and his team resigned following a dispute with the group's owner,
<v Speaker 2>Megan Ellison. Following discussion to spin the video game publishing
<v Speaker 2>arm out into an independent entity, of which Ellison pulled out,
<v Speaker 2>two dozen members of staff resigned from the company. All
<v Speaker 2>twenty five members of the Ana Purna Interactive team collectively resigned.
<v Speaker 2>Gary said in a joint statement, this was one of
<v Speaker 2>the hardest decisions we've ever had to make, and we
<v Speaker 2>did not take this action lightly. We don't know a
<v Speaker 2>lot of exactly what happened here. I think Lexi did
<v Speaker 2>mention something here. Adding to this, Blade Runner twenty thirty
<v Speaker 2>three made no longer be an active development as it
<v Speaker 2>was being worked on internally at Ana Purna Interactive, and
<v Speaker 2>there was a crossover between production staff at Annapurna and
<v Speaker 2>the development teams. So some projects do seem to be
<v Speaker 2>following through best part of the fall of this. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>what's up? Blade Runner? Which? What blade Blade Runner? What?
<v Speaker 2>Blade Runner twenty thirty three? Yeah, I remember this being
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a let me see if I got
<v Speaker 2>this video here. Yeah, this was announced a year ago.
<v Speaker 2>I'll put it up on for everybody so they could
<v Speaker 2>take a look at it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, laborate, gotcha, gotcha?
<v Speaker 2>Lab right?
<v Speaker 1>The adventure game? All right, I'll tell you're talking about
<v Speaker 1>a new movie.
<v Speaker 2>Right Yeah, So okay, So yeah, there's some like weird
<v Speaker 2>stuff to navigate through here. People might remember recently that
<v Speaker 2>Remedy signed a deal with Anna Perna. That was with
<v Speaker 2>Anna Perna studios the movie side of things to help
<v Speaker 2>you find, help fund the games, and get access to
<v Speaker 2>the IP four movies and television. Remedy was always going
<v Speaker 2>to publish Control Too on their own so that they
<v Speaker 2>are not affected by this. It doesn't seem a lot
<v Speaker 2>of other projects though, are at Anna Perna Interactive. Megan
<v Speaker 2>Ellison claims that they will continue to support and publish
<v Speaker 2>those games, but with what team She's gonna have to
<v Speaker 2>build a new one. I guess we'll see how that goes.
<v Speaker 2>And then why did this happen? We don't know exactly
<v Speaker 2>why yet. Jason Chari says he's got a new report
<v Speaker 2>coming out in a couple of weeks that will go
<v Speaker 2>into some of those details. In the meantime, it sounds
<v Speaker 2>like these people just hated Megan Ellison and did not
<v Speaker 2>want to work for her. That's my guess. I like
<v Speaker 2>a billionaire. So Marry Ellison is the billionaire founder of
<v Speaker 2>Oracle Enterprises or whatever it is, a big you know,
<v Speaker 2>the tech glomerate does a bunch of B to B
<v Speaker 2>services for big corporations.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I just googled him.
<v Speaker 2>This man has done too much plastic surgery. Yeah, he's
<v Speaker 2>real messed up.
<v Speaker 1>He looks like, you know what's funny about people who
<v Speaker 1>do like a lot of plastic surgery surgery? Eventually every
<v Speaker 1>single one of them looks the same like each other.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really funny to me.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, I'm gonna improve my face into looking like
<v Speaker 1>every other person who does this way too much.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're already beautiful. Everybody, please don't do this to yourself. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>just leave it. Yeah, this is a weird one. That's like,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would imagine twenty five people all talking
<v Speaker 2>to each other and saying we need to get out
<v Speaker 2>of here. Comes down to we are the reason this
<v Speaker 2>company is anything. We know that if we all leave together,
<v Speaker 2>maybe we can go do something on our own, or
<v Speaker 2>we can all get our own jobs. We know we
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable about that. But we are the talent here
<v Speaker 2>where the reason this whole thing goes round. So I
<v Speaker 2>hope that it seems like they probably have a plan,
<v Speaker 2>but they clearly did not want to work here anymore.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think they're going to come back with,
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Perna, It's like we have a found we found
<v Speaker 1>another what girl names another?
<v Speaker 2>Well went back baby? Yeah, I feel like a very
<v Speaker 2>white girl name you're right now for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like this is a it's a case
<v Speaker 1>of probably a large part knowing your own value and
<v Speaker 1>knowing what you bring to the table. And according to
<v Speaker 1>Sriya's think it was it was a whole thing about
<v Speaker 1>like trying to spin off into its own thing.
<v Speaker 2>Right and have like an independent was going to be independent?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, which is I guess to someone who's the
<v Speaker 1>billionaire child of someone with a weird face, is going
<v Speaker 1>to be like control is being taken away from me.
<v Speaker 1>Like I wouldn't be surprised if they came back and
<v Speaker 1>Try's next thing was like she didn't want to have
<v Speaker 1>someone else take.
<v Speaker 2>The reins and not have as much control.
<v Speaker 1>This is a speculation, but yeah, I feel like those people,
<v Speaker 1>they clearly have done a fant plastic job at building
<v Speaker 1>up the game side of Anna Perna to where it
<v Speaker 1>is now. They've got an I for that stuff. I
<v Speaker 1>think like they did. Was it out of wilds was
<v Speaker 1>one of them, which that alone is like a pretty
<v Speaker 1>big deal. If you publish out you're like, yeah, we
<v Speaker 1>find we found this game.
<v Speaker 2>I mean they go with the head Cocoon and Stray
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, a few others.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean like, and that is the people finding that,
<v Speaker 1>that is those people find happened. Yes, so if they
<v Speaker 1>if they, I feel like they've got a strong portfolio
<v Speaker 1>that they can take to other investors or whatever it
<v Speaker 1>may be, to set up a new thing and be like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we other people who found these games. Look what these
<v Speaker 1>games became. Give us money to set up a new thing,
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Purna and and we'd like to do the same.
<v Speaker 1>And maybe you'll get a piece of that pipe provided
<v Speaker 1>you stay out of the way and don't get involved
<v Speaker 1>to this. That sounds exactly right, and that is like
<v Speaker 1>a very viable thing, right.
<v Speaker 2>I can make happen. I think there are still investors
<v Speaker 2>out there looking for a team that could do exactly that.
<v Speaker 2>And if you have an entire team ready to go,
<v Speaker 2>it like what they want is a team that can
<v Speaker 2>find hits and that has the know how about helping
<v Speaker 2>to bring those hits to market. If you could do that,
<v Speaker 2>then you know, it would be really nice to be
<v Speaker 2>like a donkey and be able to just have a
<v Speaker 2>built in audience. They love that shit too. But if
<v Speaker 2>you have the know how about putting a game out
<v Speaker 2>and how to find these games, that's really what the
<v Speaker 2>investors want, they'll show up with some money and give
<v Speaker 2>this team a lot of money, and I think they'll
<v Speaker 2>be able to kind of make make some hay out
<v Speaker 2>of this now that this has fallen apart in front
<v Speaker 2>of their faces. And really it's I think this is
<v Speaker 2>making a stand, so clearly they feel good about moving on,
<v Speaker 2>and I hope it kind of pats out.
<v Speaker 1>For them, and also like it's time to hold these
<v Speaker 1>companies accountable, like if this is genuinely any thing where
<v Speaker 1>like people are overreaching or whatever, I mean, like barring
<v Speaker 1>a situation where Jason Trier reveals every single one of
<v Speaker 1>these people that left us are wrong and I'm not
<v Speaker 1>willing to believe like there was some sort of issue
<v Speaker 1>on their side, and knowing that you have the power,
<v Speaker 1>this is effectively a little union move here, which is
<v Speaker 1>like they're not a union, but that's what this is
<v Speaker 1>what unions would be.
<v Speaker 2>But they're acting for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. They'd be like, no, we know what
<v Speaker 1>we're were if we know what you need and you
<v Speaker 1>need us, and we're out later, and that is it.
<v Speaker 1>Like you have seies the means of production and you
<v Speaker 1>are the means of production.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shout outs to the Billing Workers Union. You get
<v Speaker 2>yours from that shitty company, all right. Next story Embracer's
<v Speaker 2>potential sale canceled for Metros four A Games and Pinball
<v Speaker 2>deb Zen Studios. This is from Andy Robinson at PGC.
<v Speaker 2>Embracer has announced the proposed sales of Metro developer for
<v Speaker 2>A Games in Pinball Developers In Studios have been canceled.
<v Speaker 2>The pair of studios had been included as an option
<v Speaker 2>in the two hundred and forty seven million dollars sale
<v Speaker 2>of the Saber Interactive division to a group of private investors. However,
<v Speaker 2>on Friday, Embracer confirmed that the deal has now been
<v Speaker 2>settled and the option to include Fora and Zen and
<v Speaker 2>the deal have been canceled. They're now going to remain
<v Speaker 2>with Embraser Group and not doesn't sound like they're shutting
<v Speaker 2>down or anything. They are going to keep making these games,
<v Speaker 2>but they're just going to do so under Embracer instead
<v Speaker 2>of Saber. I don't know. There's two sides to this
<v Speaker 2>where I think if I were developer making a game,
<v Speaker 2>I probably feel more comfortable under Saber than Embracer. But
<v Speaker 2>Saber people do point out Saber still has like some
<v Speaker 2>ownership in Russia, and if people draw their line there,
<v Speaker 2>I totally get it. I just I talk to people
<v Speaker 2>at Saber every once in a while, and they're they're
<v Speaker 2>human beings making games, and they are not Russian assets.
<v Speaker 2>They're just people making good games, and they've made really
<v Speaker 2>good games back to back to back, and I just
<v Speaker 2>kind of I don't draw the line there for this
<v Speaker 2>team personally, but I get if people do. Uh so, hey,
<v Speaker 2>if you're happy that Metro is going to be at
<v Speaker 2>Embracer instead, I guess I kind of get it. But
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. This is a this a weird one
<v Speaker 2>to me. How do you parse it?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I again, like I have, Embracer is
<v Speaker 1>in a uh no, embracis. Saber is in a weird position.
<v Speaker 1>But like you said, the people there aren't. They're not
<v Speaker 1>representative of the unfortunate ownership kind of pieces of the
<v Speaker 1>pie that are in weird places. I am just always
<v Speaker 1>in a I'm of the opinion that everyone should try
<v Speaker 1>and get Unembraced.
<v Speaker 2>Probably the best probably they have the ability.
<v Speaker 1>To go somewhere else and continue making games and remain
<v Speaker 1>employed and that kind of stuff. I think Embracer again,
<v Speaker 1>I will continue to say one of the worst things
<v Speaker 1>to happen to media in a long time, especially video games.
<v Speaker 2>And the Lord of the Rings, which they and a lot.
<v Speaker 1>Of the Rings of course, yeah, which they now own,
<v Speaker 1>and more importantly, the legacy of Kine, which their own
<v Speaker 1>legacy of kin is significantly more important IP than Lord
<v Speaker 1>of the Rings ever will be. Lord of Rings wishes
<v Speaker 1>it could be as relevant and as cool and it
<v Speaker 1>was exciting as the legacy, Okain.
<v Speaker 2>I am not a Russian asset like tempoole. Don't say that,
<v Speaker 2>don't say that. I'm shoot is the funniest man. I
<v Speaker 2>feel like every conversation would be if I ever.
<v Speaker 1>Spoke Temple, the only thing I'd be saying over and
<v Speaker 1>over again is show me your head.
<v Speaker 2>Show me your head, show me take up and Beanie,
<v Speaker 2>take about the beanie.
<v Speaker 1>Take your half, talk be be a normal human being
<v Speaker 1>taken and then we'll talk your money.
<v Speaker 2>I would destroy blood money. You're weier with the weird beanie.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like, yeah, I feel this is a shame. Like,
<v Speaker 1>is there a new Metro game in the works.
<v Speaker 2>Presumably maybe a Metro VR game happening. Maybe still, I
<v Speaker 2>have no idea that's not gonna move on. Listen, there's
<v Speaker 2>got to be a new Metro game, right if this
<v Speaker 2>teams together. That last one did pretty well. Seemed like
<v Speaker 2>it kind of like took up the level the level
<v Speaker 2>of what that franchise was at. Yeah, so yeah, I would.
<v Speaker 2>I would probably guess that another Metros in the works and.
<v Speaker 1>Zen Studios are for the pinball perpotse pretty good, right, Like,
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know that they they I have not
<v Speaker 1>heard bad things about.
<v Speaker 2>Them and having people play all their various pinball tables,
<v Speaker 2>their digital pinball tables over and over, they do excellent work.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I hope that they're able to
<v Speaker 1>make the games that they want to make, and I
<v Speaker 1>hope that they don't somehow. The issue here is if
<v Speaker 1>they're not included in the sale hair, it means that
<v Speaker 1>they are still like fodder for Embracer to do insane
<v Speaker 1>shit with, which is scary because Embracer is out of control.
<v Speaker 1>It has more money than since and it has like
<v Speaker 1>so many different masters to serve at this point, and
<v Speaker 1>that is a dangerous place to be. When you're just
<v Speaker 1>trying to make some games and produce a cool thing
<v Speaker 1>for the world. You never know what's going to happen. Like,
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Embracer is the WB of the video
<v Speaker 1>game world, where you could very much be in a
<v Speaker 1>position where you make an entire game and they're like, no,
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to.
<v Speaker 2>Put a Yeah it doesn't and it doesn't even make
<v Speaker 2>a difference to them, So yeah, they don't care there,
<v Speaker 2>it's some tax take that instead. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't.
<v Speaker 1>I want games companies, more game companies to be unembraced,
<v Speaker 1>I think, And also like I also recognize that embrace
<v Speaker 1>that has people that work there that don't deserve to be,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the subject of Aya, and like I
<v Speaker 1>would hope that what would happen is like that company
<v Speaker 1>becomes normal, We behave normally, you know, maybe protract a
<v Speaker 1>bit in what you're capable of and how much money
<v Speaker 1>you're throwing around and your endless need to acquire everything,
<v Speaker 1>and just be normal, and hopefully that will put them
<v Speaker 1>in a better standing.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was a pretty weird sign when it
<v Speaker 2>was like Saudi Arabia looked at h Embracer was like
<v Speaker 2>maybe we won't give you money. It's like, oh wait,
<v Speaker 2>what Saudi Arabia investing in everybody they possibly can in
<v Speaker 2>the video game space Embracer wasn't good enough. What does
<v Speaker 2>that mean? Never take Saudi money? Yeah? Tell, that's a
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo capcom. Look at everybody in the tire industry and
<v Speaker 2>demammit all right? Super Yes. Super Mario Brothers Wonder Switch
<v Speaker 2>O lead bundle revealed for Australia and New Zealand. Of
<v Speaker 2>this is from Marcus Person at Game Reactor. It's usually
<v Speaker 2>closer to the holidays we start hearing about switch bundles,
<v Speaker 2>and a new package feature in Super Mario Brothers Wonder
<v Speaker 2>has just been announced. Well, at least in one territory
<v Speaker 2>over in Australia and New Zealand. The upcoming bundle will
<v Speaker 2>feature a white O led system. Super Mario Brothers Wonder
<v Speaker 2>will technically be a digital copy as it comes pre installed.
<v Speaker 2>Other than that, each just each unit gets a twelve
<v Speaker 2>month subscription to Nintendo Switch Online as well. This will
<v Speaker 2>launch on October twenty fourth. Yeah, and the kind of
<v Speaker 2>trying to get to that fifteen million number with the
<v Speaker 2>Switch this year. Bundles seem like the way they're going
<v Speaker 2>to do it instead of price cuts. Does that seem
<v Speaker 2>right to you? Yep? Definitely.
<v Speaker 1>I don't expect a price cut for that console, at
<v Speaker 1>least until a switch to is available, which point it
<v Speaker 1>will probably get like a five dollars cut or something
<v Speaker 1>like that. Although yeah, although a cheaper version of the
<v Speaker 1>switch and just be like we've removed everything.
<v Speaker 2>Switch many yeah, like the Canadian Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't as speak because headphones.
<v Speaker 2>Only yep, no wide joy yeah yeah no.
<v Speaker 1>If ye, But yeah, I feel like this is how
<v Speaker 1>it because they also, you know, between this Zelda and
<v Speaker 1>whatever other first party games they might have Party Jamboree.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there will be a bundle for that as well.
<v Speaker 1>They're just gonna all hands on deck, bundle, bundle, bundle
<v Speaker 1>until they reached that number.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, they redisabled Bluetooth or you know that's right. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think I think a bundle with recent games other
<v Speaker 2>than Mario Kart is probably the way to move things now,
<v Speaker 2>because how does how do people still not own Mario
<v Speaker 2>Kart at this point? So many copies of that's like
<v Speaker 2>sixty five million or some crazy number like that. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>putting Super Mario Brothers Wonder in there a different Mario
<v Speaker 2>game that seems like it'll move the needle for them.
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Jedi Survivor can run at fourteen forty p
<v Speaker 2>and thirty frames per second on last gen hardware that's
<v Speaker 2>specifically the Xbox one X. This comes from ZAXYZ and Kataku,
<v Speaker 2>who just gives some of the details here. It's ten
<v Speaker 2>adp thirty frames per second on PS four pro a,
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred and thirty frames per second on the base
<v Speaker 2>PS four, and seven to twenty p thirty frames per
<v Speaker 2>second on Xbox One. I would assume the lot of
<v Speaker 2>this is coming from optimizations and them like tuning a
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff down because that game just ran like
<v Speaker 2>crap on everything PC and consoles included. So have you noticed,
<v Speaker 2>like I started getting some like PR blasts about this
<v Speaker 2>game again, and it feels like they're almost like relaunching
<v Speaker 2>it in some ways. Yeah, it does seem that way.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like part of it is also
<v Speaker 1>like making good on, you know, the shoddy launch of
<v Speaker 1>that game, especially on halliway, just to avoid any sort
<v Speaker 1>of legal issues because like you can, you can blink
<v Speaker 1>and you'll be class action lawsuit if you're not careful,
<v Speaker 1>And I imagine this is like buttoning up that kind
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But also it probably helps them figure out
<v Speaker 1>you know, the issues that they were up against. For
<v Speaker 1>whatever comes next, Star Wars, Jedi.
<v Speaker 2>Revivor, I'm going with Revivers almost certainly it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, but yeah, I have been getting some emails
<v Speaker 1>about it, to be honest, like I am maybe I'll
<v Speaker 1>play again or play some of it again.
<v Speaker 2>I started and I was like, I started and I
<v Speaker 2>didn't finish.
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm just done with Star Wars.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I saw a Star Wars and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm all right, Yeah, I was kind of
<v Speaker 2>in a down period with Star Wars when this game
<v Speaker 2>came out. Now I'm like, definitely better and the game
<v Speaker 2>if the game is running better like it rewatch you
<v Speaker 2>watch you for the first time on these older consoles
<v Speaker 2>after having it on the current gen and and doing
<v Speaker 2>all the work to make sure it can run on
<v Speaker 2>those consoles. To me, that sense. But in the fact
<v Speaker 2>that's thirty frames per second on the old consoles is
<v Speaker 2>kind of impressive. Sean, I'm saying that. I agree, like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised it's fourteen forty pm thirty frames per second
<v Speaker 2>on Xbox one X. But to me, that should say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>maybe this thing runs okay on Steam Deck now, or
<v Speaker 2>maybe Roger ally and I can play it on there,
<v Speaker 2>and even if it doesn't, I bet it runs really
<v Speaker 2>good on my PC. So it does make me curious again,
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that they are sort of treating it
<v Speaker 2>like a relaunch and like, maybe it'd be worth my
<v Speaker 2>time if I played that this year and said keep
<v Speaker 2>putting it off, So yeah, that might happen. And then finally,
<v Speaker 2>Sonic Team says they would love to do a Sonic
<v Speaker 2>Advanced Collection. This is from Jonas Mackie at Game Reactor.
<v Speaker 2>I gad they would Yeah, they'd love to just do
<v Speaker 2>anything with Sonic at this point. Last year saw the
<v Speaker 2>release of the brilliant Sonic Origins Plus collection, which included
<v Speaker 2>the Hedgehogs, Mega Drive and Genesis Classics and Segacy D game,
<v Speaker 2>as well as well as Sonic titles from game Gear.
<v Speaker 2>We gave the collection a very positive review and think
<v Speaker 2>it's ill titled that should be on every respectable gaming shelf.
<v Speaker 2>But there are still several games fans are asking for
<v Speaker 2>that were included. This includes the Sonic Adventure titles from
<v Speaker 2>the Dreamcast, but also three Sonic Chronicles of Brother the
<v Speaker 2>Dark Brother from the BioWare Corporation and three Advanced games
<v Speaker 2>released for the Game Boy Advance, which seemed to be
<v Speaker 2>largely forgotten by Sega. But maybe there's a chance we
<v Speaker 2>can relive these classics once again. When VGC interviewed the
<v Speaker 2>Sonic team boss to Kashi Izuka and asked about the matter,
<v Speaker 2>he replied optimistically that he would like to re release them.
<v Speaker 2>There's currently no plans for Sonic Advanced Series to be
<v Speaker 2>remade or remastered, but we don't know what the future holds.
<v Speaker 2>Shigihara was a director on Sonic Origins, which took Sonic one, two, three,
<v Speaker 2>and CD, and we remastered that, brought and brought it
<v Speaker 2>out for fans to enjoy. And if we have the
<v Speaker 2>chance chance, if there's an opportunity for the Advanced series
<v Speaker 2>to also get that treatment, or whatever circumstances may pop up,
<v Speaker 2>we'd love to do it. Those are good games, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>those are good games that I think it could really
<v Speaker 2>benefit from some remasters that just zoom out the camera
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, right because the Game Boy Advance had
<v Speaker 2>relatively little resolution screen, so they were zooming in pretty close.
<v Speaker 2>Zoom it out a little bit and make sure that
<v Speaker 2>the game is just going to handle that properly. That
<v Speaker 2>seems like i'd be a pretty good time.
<v Speaker 1>That would be a pretty good time. I don't think
<v Speaker 1>I've played all of them, but I remember having a
<v Speaker 1>really good time.
<v Speaker 2>I remember people long to I think it was, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>having good things to say in the first two games. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Sonic Chronicles, on the other hand, well please ship.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God, that was them. It was it was trying
<v Speaker 2>to be very super Mario RPG and it just kind
<v Speaker 2>of didn't work in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 1>I reviewed that for a website that me and Danny O.
<v Speaker 2>Doyer where time and.
<v Speaker 1>God damn, that was like pulling teeth. I was like
<v Speaker 1>crying through that reveal. I was like, but it's BioWare.
<v Speaker 2>Well And I thought it like started off like Okay,
<v Speaker 2>they'll have some stuff and they make it and something,
<v Speaker 2>and it just kind of becomes a drown.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah anyway, Yeah, let me let by way make another
<v Speaker 1>soa that'd be.
<v Speaker 2>D other good use time for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully there's a lot of Sonic widos out there,
<v Speaker 1>So I'm there's a lot of new age Sonic Widows
<v Speaker 1>out there that I'm sure I have never touched. The
<v Speaker 1>Advance games, which I think are some of the best.
<v Speaker 2>They lunch I like the what they will, Yeah, I would.
<v Speaker 1>I would love for those widows to be able to
<v Speaker 1>be a weirdo by playing these games.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, give weirdos more chances to be weirdos, is what
<v Speaker 2>we say on the show. All right, let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>Poll question. I'll bring that up right now. Do you
<v Speaker 2>want PlayStation to make more family friendly games? I said yes,
<v Speaker 2>so did seventy three percent of respondence. Twenty seven percent
<v Speaker 2>said screw your family. They don't deserve anything. Oh wow, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I respect that. Yeah, listen, they're a lot of entitled
<v Speaker 2>to their opinion or whatever. Kind of don't see how
<v Speaker 2>it hurts anybody. Kind of surprised that one out of
<v Speaker 2>four people are like, no, don't make more family friendly games.
<v Speaker 2>I guess they're looking at it as a net zero
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing, where if they get more family from
<v Speaker 2>the games, they'll get less of their awesome dude bro
<v Speaker 2>games with threesomes and all right, fair enough, I get
<v Speaker 2>I get you have needs. All right, I'll I'll have
<v Speaker 2>a new pole question for y'all in a second before
<v Speaker 2>we get to that, though, dam where can people find
<v Speaker 2>you on the internet? What do you have going on?
<v Speaker 2>All that good stuff? Well?
<v Speaker 1>You can find me two more h on everything. You know,
<v Speaker 1>what do I have going on? I'm many too many things. Probably.
<v Speaker 1>I'm still preparing to come back to twitch at some
<v Speaker 1>point soon. I have just been bogged down in travel
<v Speaker 1>and assignments and my life falling apart slowly but hopefully soon,
<v Speaker 1>hopefully soon. B Otherwise, upf is happening at eleven thirty
<v Speaker 1>am pt Ish according to who is this? Who is
<v Speaker 1>this is this? Jan Anonymous goose thank you Anonymous goosey
<v Speaker 1>am all right, pt Ish, which I think is going
<v Speaker 1>to be the Space Marines.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to do multiplayer Space Marine two where
<v Speaker 2>three Marines could come together and kill Tyrannids as bros.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a good time. Yeah yeah. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>Whenever I see the cover fust Space Marine too, that
<v Speaker 1>dude on the front looks like a straight up soccer dad. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he looks like he he looks like he goes to
<v Speaker 1>his kids spoiling events and gets way too angry.
<v Speaker 2>He looks like he's plays scream American Dad, realistic into
<v Speaker 2>ai AI, Like that's why we would get spit out.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it's like someone who's put a poster of
<v Speaker 1>John Cena up in the gym.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is that is what he looks like. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he looks like he attends PTA conferences just to yell
<v Speaker 2>at people. Yeah, I mean know what he just he
<v Speaker 2>just really loves the Emperor. Good for him. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>mean listen for the Emperor one uh two thirty pm
<v Speaker 2>Eastern time, eleven thirty am Pacific time for that. Looking
<v Speaker 2>forward to it. Anything else, it doesn't look there's a
<v Speaker 2>BCR this week. I'm I'm running down from the travel.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you made that call. So uh, we did
<v Speaker 2>kind of like do a couple there back to back
<v Speaker 2>when we had the one at a pack and the
<v Speaker 2>extra one last week for Astro. So yeah, give us
<v Speaker 2>a break, everybody. Well we'll do some some space marine instead.
<v Speaker 2>New Pole question. How much do you think the PS
<v Speaker 2>six will launch for? Five hundred? Is going to be
<v Speaker 2>six hundred? Is going to be seven or eight hundred plus?
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's that this thing is basically eight hundred
<v Speaker 2>once you put in the dis drive in the stand, it's.
<v Speaker 1>Gonna be seven ninety nine pre tax, mark my words,
<v Speaker 1>clip it and ship it.
<v Speaker 2>Damn. I think you're right. That's where I'm putting it.
<v Speaker 2>Although you know.
<v Speaker 1>The funny thing is, the day before the Pro was released,
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, sorry, people are like, how much is
<v Speaker 1>this going to cost? And I was like, everyone's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>probably about six hundred and six. I look, I was
<v Speaker 1>straight up. I went, it's going to be seven hundred
<v Speaker 1>dollars pre tax. And then the next day they were like, this,
<v Speaker 1>bitch is seven hundred dollars pre tax. And I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I knew it. I know when I'm about to be scammed.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and no disdrive, no stand So eight hundred dollars
<v Speaker 2>all right? Yeah, if that pole question, we'll get to
<v Speaker 2>get the results of that on Game Mess Mornings on
<v Speaker 2>Giant Bob on Monday. There's no reason we shouldn't do
<v Speaker 2>it on Monday. Yeah, on Monday. Looking forward to having
<v Speaker 2>a good full week of content next week. It will
<v Speaker 2>be it'll be a good time BombCast. We'll be back.
<v Speaker 2>Light Club should be back. Probably knew Jeff Jeff's at
<v Speaker 2>some point, right, we got that all happening, So everybody
<v Speaker 2>just keep tuning in in the meantime. Tam, thank you
<v Speaker 2>so much for hanging out with me today and talking
<v Speaker 2>about video games.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me as always.
<v Speaker 2>I'll see you again next week. Hope. Wait, am i am?
<v Speaker 1>I traveling next week or the week after. No, no,
<v Speaker 1>I'm traveling the week after. I'll be gone for like
<v Speaker 1>multiple weeks.
<v Speaker 2>Homeboys. Well we'll do three dregs day in a row
<v Speaker 2>and then you kick some Well I want here's what
<v Speaker 2>I want. Okay, what you need.
<v Speaker 1>I would like to nominate my replacement.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I loved it. I love this. Yeah, that sounds great.
<v Speaker 2>You should have the right to do that.
<v Speaker 1>I would like the young Jordan Middler to replace me
<v Speaker 1>for a few weeks.
<v Speaker 2>I will see if I can make that stand in.
<v Speaker 2>I'll see. He's a you know, he's a busy important
<v Speaker 2>man these days. He is busy. He is important.
<v Speaker 1>I trust him to be like on point the news,
<v Speaker 1>but also to be annoying in the same way that
<v Speaker 1>I would be annoying.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair.
<v Speaker 1>So I would like to nominate Jordan Middler.
<v Speaker 2>All right, that sounds good to me. We'll see. We
<v Speaker 2>get Jordan on the show next couple of fridays after
<v Speaker 2>Tam is out. Yeah, week after next. All right, let's
<v Speaker 2>see here. Anything else I don't think so, thank you
<v Speaker 2>all for listening. Thank you all for watching. You're the
<v Speaker 2>best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 2>take care of yourself and goodbye. And yeah, a NBC
<v Speaker 2>tournament sounds great to me. Hell yeah,