NFL Cover Zero: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statements Wins, and MVP Race

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Speaker 1: NFL Covers Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast Okay Week five NFL Cover zero Podcast. I'm Matt Jones along with Drew Franklin. It is We're taping this about eleven thirty five at night. They've just finished Sunday Night Football. The Patriots with a huge upset on the road, take out the Bills in what is a huge upset day. All around three massive upsets, the three biggest spreads each went the other way. Drew back from South Africa, excited to.

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Speaker 2: Be with you.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing a Titans hat because your team actually won a game today, which is exciting.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you after all. That's after three weeks on the road. It's nice to do this in person again. I'm surprised we actually managed to get through without many technical difficulties. Well it just started when I was calling your but I'm saying it's much Yeah, obviously we don't have technical differences right now. It's one minute in. But no, it's good to have you here, and I'm amazed we were able to get through the South Africa trip is as easily as we did we were, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of kind of amazing.

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Speaker 2: We got through it.

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Speaker 1: You know, started in Cape Town, the city on the southwestern corner of the of the Globe. You know, my my tour guide got very angry that I said on this show that it was the southernmost tip of Africa. He was like, the Cape of Good Hope is the southwestern most tip of Africa. So I want to be clear for all the geography people that it wasn't the southern it was the southwestern. Then went and saw the animals, the safari and then went to Johannesburg.

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Speaker 2: Or is the locals call it joe Burg? Oh, joe Burg they call it.

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Speaker 1: They don't have time for the hannas. Okay, just shoring that up a little bit to see what you got places to me, you can't say Johannesburg, you say, you say joe Burg.

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Speaker 2: Well, Wednesday we did the show without you. We were wondering how you could possibly travel for a day without a phone. So that had to have been excruciating. On how long was that flight? Uh, sixteen hours without a phone? I had.

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Speaker 1: I had an iPad, so I watched I'm watching the show next. Have you seen the show next on HBO Max or no task task and say next, I know it was one word task. I haven't seen that one either. Okay, better than next. I do recommend it. It's about, you know, an FBI agent and criminals and all that.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's it's really it's really good.

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Speaker 1: So I did that finish the Gilded Age and you know, sixteen hour flight.

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Speaker 2: It's a long flight. Yeah, we're worried about you. That's a long time. You just glad you had the iPad. We were wondering if you were just staring at the head rest dog yeah, braw dog and it just staring straight ahead, waiting lines for boarding passes, all the fun stuff they You know, you feel like after sixteen hours, I've been on the plane, like six hours.

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Speaker 1: No one had offered me a drink of anything. So I walked up to the flight attendant and I said, I could I get like some water. I didn't even ask for anything. I just asked for water, and she just points and goes, there's a bottle over there somewhere, some water fountain your back, just some dripping from the ceiling if you wanted, But nevertheless, here glad to be here and what a day in the NFL. So I mentioned the three biggest spread teams, the Bills, the Eagles, and the Cardinals all lose, all lose at home. Actually, you had five different games today there was double digit deficits that a team was down where they came back and then won the game, which is a pretty crazy statistic. And we now are five weeks into the season and there are no more undefeated teams and you know which means that tradition that's been going on, where what is the seventy two Dolphins get together and all take a drink. That's this may be the earliest in any season they've gotten to do that.

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Speaker 2: Assuming there are some of them that are still alive, they're probably right now popping champagne since that game just ended.

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Speaker 1: But this was Senior Citizens Center in Boca Ray.

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Speaker 2: This week can't last for a reminder that the NFL, you know there you never know teams are good, but any Sunday, nobody go down. I mean like nobody. Nobody's unbeatable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, you have Let's just look at the Bills and the Eagles, I mean Broncos and the Patriots both going to those two teams. You know, those are solid playoff contending teams, but you assume, well, you're at home, if you're great, you're gonna win. They both end up losing. And you know, now, like I said, no one is undefeated. The Jets are the only team without a win. So NFL parody reigns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we did our power rankings every week, it'd be quite a few changes weekend week out. You know, a team I had second for many weeks might be top fifteen. Now at this point, it's just we fend some results the last couple of weeks we have.

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Speaker 1: So we should probably just start, uh with the game that just ended, which was the Patriots. Drake May and comes down, gets a drive, leads to a field goal. They beat the Bills on the road. Throughout the second half of this game, I just kept thinking, Okay, here's where here's here's where the Bills get it right here, here's where they end up making the run, Here's where they here's where Josh Allen does something. And then the Patriots kept making place huge defensive stop on some passes on the on the Bills drive led to a field goal, and then Drake May makes a couple of amazing throws, including one that gave us the Chris Collinsworth he got he gave us with oh, Drake Drake May, so you got that, which was exciting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake May didn't throw a touchdown, but he had some great throws. Tonight felt like, you know, Drake May has been good all season. I think he's top five in quarterback rating, but this felt like you're still laughing at this. I mean that it's just an interesting way to put it, but listen, this felt like a Drake May Prime time out here party. Yeah, this is good all year, but this was like his his big moment if I'm breaking through and I want to be one of the stars too. Aroized.

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Speaker 1: They showed him on the screen and it occurred to me that I wasn't one hundred percent sure what he looked like like and it's no I mean, I'm serious. You know, he doesn't have a face that I think most people do. You think fans would have known his face? You don't see a lot of Drake May commercials. Yeah, right, he's pretty average looking and he just looks like a guy. And so when they showed him up there, I was like, oh, okay, This is definitely his his breakout performance. You know, they are all these second year quarterbacks. There would have been one ranking of them coming into the year. I wonder if it'll be a different one this time. But you know, both of these games where teams went on the road and got the victory, it's second year quarterbacks making the place bo Nicks against Eagles and then Drake May tonin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just felt like a statement game for him. It helps, you know, doing it against Josh Allen and Buffalo adds to it in the division.

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Speaker 1: So are you a believer in Well, first of all, you believe her in Drake May specifically, Yeah, I think he's already answered a lot of questions so far.

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Speaker 2: This year's stats have been pretty awesome through five weeks. But tonight, especially if I'm a Patriots fan, I'm comfortable knowing that we have Drake May for a long time as our quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's This is the Bills since they kind of had taken over the division, have owned the Patriots and you get it, you get them on the road. Now. I will go ahead and go on record as saying I will bet any amount of money that anyone wants to put on that the Bills go win in New England. Anybody want to book that bat the Bills will win the repeat game in New England. But it is it is a welcome to uh real events again to the Patriots victory. What the plays down the stretch though, the play that made that made Chris collins Worth. Phil Tingley thoughts, that was an amazing throw. I mean he's sitting there stiff arming him with one hand falling down, throws it up and hits it perfectly. That's that's a I mean, that's a that's a my homes Allen ass play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just that he won the game and his stats are good. He had at least three throws where you get really excited about him as your coreby that one with the stiff arm that got collins Worth extra excited. There's another going viral now where it's kind of the camera behind him in the end zone where he throws one to Digs downfield and then also driving down the field and set up that that game win he field, they had another great throw, So he just a couple of highlight reel plays in addition to a good game all the way around.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting watching the Bills, like their receivers don't get open. I mean at the end, like Josh Allen gives them. He scrambles and gets so much time on the drive where they tied the game, there were three straight plays where he had six or seven seconds to get the ball off and his receivers just don't get open. I think sometimes with him, and this was like this with the Chiefs last year. The quarterback is so good that we don't sit there and say who is he throwing it to? Because the Bills cast of wide receivers, especially with Stefan Diggs on the other team, you see, they just don't have guys who can get separation.

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Speaker 2: I was about to add that, adding to not having the separation you want you have digs when you have like one hundred and fifty yards tonight. I know it's been a while since he was a Bill, but that was their guy for a long time, and kind of a big breakout game for him with the Patriots too. You might have a little Drake May Stefan Diggs tandem that could could have something going for a little while.

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Speaker 1: Do you does this change your view at all on the Bills? You just go, hey, it's one game. No one who cares, not at all. I mean, no one's going undefeated anymore. You gotta lose somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought it would have been at home, but you know, Patriots are a good team. It doesn't shock me that this happened if somebody was gonna get him.

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Speaker 1: Survivor Pools, tough day for those, Thankfully for us, I forget we. I wasn't able to be here Wednesday, so we didn't have to do it because we might Drew. I guess, Billy, you and I are the only two left. Drews out, but you and I both might have both got eliminated.

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Speaker 3: We got lucky.

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Speaker 1: A lot of upsets today. Yeah, but so Survival Pools. I think I saw at the one is circa the Big one. Maybe seventy percent of all entries went out today, so because the top three choices all lost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only be five weeks in the season. We've had at least two Sundays where the mega favorite, you know, more than a touchdown favorite, lost out right, So Bill's out.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the day, the Eagles lose at home to the Broncos twenty one to seventeen, Eagles were up seventeen to three to start the game. The offense was just cooking. I mean they were getting long drives. They were actually getting aj Brown the ball, which made him not whine.

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Speaker 2: What is it? I don't understand what.

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Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl and they were four and oh and he's still whining. That's your gets your guy? Why is he like that?

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Speaker 2: He wants the ball after the game on the play where you know it's kind of questionable he let up or it hurts throw up. He denies it though after the game.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what's he gonna say. I didn't let up.

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Speaker 2: I mean A J.

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Speaker 1: Brown quit on that route. He just quit.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you disagree, you disagree. No, no, but I'm saying after the game he was asked and he said, no, he missed me. So that is not going anywhere. Oh no, so you think they don't maybe they don't like each No, they were buddies. That's how he left the Titans. Jalen Hurts was facetiming him. There was a famous screenshot of them like celebrated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what he's a receiver. Receivers when they're not getting the ball, you don't look at your quarterback and say you miss me. He quit, he quit on that route.

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Speaker 2: He did died. But this is a receiver. This is any receiver would do this. This is receiver behavior. You're not getting the ball, you're not having the statu you want. You're gonna pout and call out your quarterback. But you agree that he quit. Oh yeah, yeah, it's obvious. Okay, that's what I thought. But they have this is this is not just this week. This is this is brewing with AJ Brown. They beggar figure it out because I mean, you're a Super Bowl contender. Sure you could win it without him, but you don't need this lingering All year.

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Speaker 1: I was arguing on my ESPN show with Meyer Metcalf this month was like, why don't people give the Eagles respect? Everybody talks about how they're not playing well, but they're four to Oh, they come off a Super Bowl win and then this is why you see it, because they score seventeen points and then they just get mud. They just cannot move the ball and all those plays that were working with AJ Brown don't work. It was the first time the Broncos have won in Philly since nineteen eighty six, when John Elway was able to win there. That's a long long time for a streak of losing. Now. Granted they only play there like every eight years, Okay, so maybe it's not that impressive.

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Speaker 2: But still it's a long time. Yeah, And the most impressive is that they did it. You know, we've had our bow knicks jokes here and there, but he was he was very awesome in that fourth quarter. Yeah, I think you only had one incompletion and they had three straight scoring drives. I mean, let's talk about those three drifts.

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Speaker 1: To switch and completely change the game. So talk about those three drives. Seventeen three, fourteen minutes to go in the fourth quarter. He leads him down the field, score seventeen ten. Then I think it's three and out for the Eagles. Get the ball back to Denver. They drive down and they score and it's seventeen sixteen, and Sean Payton at that moment decides to go for two. I am, I am, mister, be aggressive. All right, there's nowhere, especially if you're Denver, you're on the you know you're an underdog.

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Speaker 2: Go at it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe they went for two there. I mean, that was an amazing call. In that moment, because if they don't get it and you lose by one, you're opening yourself with a ton of criticism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that shocked a lot of people. Had to be one of those things where he just saw that they were doing whatever they wanted on the Eagles in that fourth courter in that moment. So you think they had all of them that had to have been in because statistically, I know you're the road team. That's just not something you see done in the pros very often. So it must have just been a coach looking at an Eagles defense that was just on their heels and couldn't get any stops and but let's just see if we can do it one more time.

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Speaker 1: But that was very surprising. You know, I don't want to believe in bo Nicks. Bo Nicks for me is kind of like Theovonughne. So like everything about Theovonne makes me want to not like him. All Right, he was on road rules. A lot of people forget that. His stand up comedy is awful, and to be fair, has always been awful. He's kind of politically aligned differently than me, and he seems at times like an idiot.

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Speaker 2: Bo Nicks same way Okay.

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Speaker 1: Yet when I see Theovaughn and I watched clips from his podcast, they made me laugh.

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Speaker 2: He genuinely makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: And then I see him ask questions and sometimes I'm like, well, he kind of seems like a good guy, right, And then I see like he bombed his Netflix Shit special and he did like an hour long just sort of explaining how hard things have been and like really opening it up, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, that's a good characteristic.

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Speaker 1: So I end up going I shouldn't like THEO Vaughn, but I think I do. Bo Nick's the same way. I don't like the way he plays. I don't think he makes good decisions, and everything I saw at Auburn and Oregon tells me he's not going to be successful, and yet he keeps playing well and he keeps winning, and I think he's theovonning me. I think I think bo Nix is theovonning me into liking him. He needs a mullet, he needs to grow mulla just go full THEO. Yeah, he has been a surprise.

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Speaker 2: I mean you think about how there are stats and how you know he started at Auburn as a freshman then felt like he was in college forever and you just didn't think the NFL career would be there. But he's he's been passing the tests this year, but he was.

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Speaker 1: A That's a huge victory for them on the road. And between the Broncos and the Patriots, who do you think has a better chance of making noise?

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Speaker 2: I've lean the Patriots really Yeah. I just even though Box has been good, Drake May tonight really made some throws and passed the tests that I think puts him on another tier. Bo Von that's the Nicks. Did you see THEOBA when he was on road rules back in the day, Yeah, I remember that one.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and then he just disappeared off the planet and now he's, you know, the most important guy, just like Bo Nicks. Your Bucks win in Seattle thirty eight thirty five, that was the best game of the day. Drew back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Really the question was who was going to blink? And it was Sam Darnold. Who throws an interception? Uh, where did you say, Billy? Earlier you were saying that the interception was off the easy, off the easy of the Bucks player and then intercepted the easy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, basketball off the easy move not familiar. Oh no, yeah, you throw it off of their head. It's called off the easy.

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Speaker 2: That's a move that people do a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Drew, can you back me up here?

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Speaker 2: Off easy?

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Speaker 3: You ever heard that?

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Speaker 2: I mean I've probably heard off the easy at one point when you when you said it in conversation about the interception, I had no idea what you're talking about. I don't know if it was like part of the helmet. Yeah, I've not heard that used a lot. I watched the game.

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Speaker 1: I did not hear Kevin Harlan say anything was off the easy, but he but he did throw it off the helmet.

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Speaker 2: I take off the easy as more is like off the hook off. This is off the chain. You know, it's cool, not literally off the heads the easy, not how Billy uses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not correct.

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Speaker 2: But the Bucks get a field goal at the end. They win this.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought this is a game where both teams come out better. To be honest, I thought they both were impressive. You know, Donald throws the interception at the end, that's what happens. Whatever, But Baker mayfield another exciting road victory. They have four wins. Drew in the last minute. They're four to one. In every game they've won has been in the last minute.

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Speaker 2: They've been so exciting this year. I'm jealous of Billy as a Bucks fan. I think I said this last week. They're just a team that this season, every single game you've wanted to watch their finish. And then today with it being Donald versus Mayfield, who had that being the show? Are they in the same draft? Yep first and there both on the Panthers at the same time. The guy's great Carolina couldn't get either to work. And then today they combined for like seven hundred and fifty yards. I believe I saw there was like ten incompletions between them combined. I mean, they just both put on a great show today. It was an absolute shootout between two guys. If we had said this three years ago that in twenty twenty five we'd watch a Donald Mayfield shootout, I don't think anyone will go.

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Speaker 1: Do you. If you're Tampa Bay, you say, well, they ford one. They've won four games in the last minute. But sometimes that stuff regresses to the norm and you end up losing those games. But I think this is an impressive one to go on the road play in the late slot at Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Get a win Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I think is Is has been a sneaky good team that people don't talk about. Darnold just blinks. But Baker Mayfield, you know, he was what fifth or sixth in that quarterback poll. I think if you did an MVP race right now, like Baker wouldn't be a crazy I mean, think about the MVP for.

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Speaker 2: Just a second.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Lamar right, Nope, So you got what Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Daniel Jones can't be Daniel Jones, but I think, but I do you think it could be Jonathan Taylor? I think you would say Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes and then maybe next Baker Mayfield And would he be?

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Speaker 2: Would he before? I wouldn't put had a bad day today. I wouldn't put Taylor in just because they won't give it to a running back. So Mayfield is certainly in the top five may top three zones over Jonathan Taylor. They're not giving it to Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Died what what Billy whis he say? They wouldn't give it to Jonathan Taylor. He's been amazing do they ever give it to a running back? Often?

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Speaker 3: Drew's right, they don't give it to a lot of running backs. But he did score three touchdowns today. Again, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think here's what's gonna happen with Jonathan Taylor. You write this down. Jon Taylor's probably not going to get it, but there's going to be a lot of people who say, why don't we give this to running backs? And there'll be a push to include Jonathan Taylor for that reason. So if Josh Allen and the Bills drop a couple, if the Colts finished thirteen and four, which I don't think they will, but let's say they do, I think he'll be a contender. But my point is Baker Mayfield, if it was like a Heisman and you invited five people, I think he'd be on the list right now.

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Speaker 2: On the running back thing, is someone that watched Derek Henry do magical things for years and never get considered. They're just never it's a quarterback award. Is Dak like Henry?

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Speaker 1: No, Dak should be on the m Dak would be if you were if you were actually in the NFL's in quarterback. If you were to invite the five people to the finals after five weeks. I think you would invite. You would in buy Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes, Dak and Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Baker's got to be in the top five. I think that would be the five, right, I mean Mahomes. I guess depending how they finish Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They'll see what happens tomorrow night. But I think that's what you would do. A couple of things from the game. Did you notice the flag on the headbutt of Leonard Williams? Were all three officials? Yeah, through the flag in the air in sequence. It was like a magical ballet moment. I love that. You very rarely get art in a football game. I thought the three flags flying in the air together was art.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they call those, but occasionally they have like videos online where people will do the same motion at the same time, like we're living in a simulation. Look at this. That felt like one of those. How all three of them at once? The flags you could like put a string across them in there or where they're on the exact level plane. That was maybe one of my favorite highlights of the entire Sunday.

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Speaker 1: They could you know that it was one of the more impressive art shop. Probably up until that moment, the best art moment I'd ever seen was when a local museum in town had their grand opening.

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Speaker 2: Actually, we can't talk about what they did. They did other stuff for fun. Yeah, they did other stuff that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not good for this podcast, but nevertheless, this was I think right up there with it.

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Speaker 2: And then if you committed the penalty though, you're like, yeah, okay, I mean clearly I messed up everyone at once. Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They also wore throwback uniforms that were Did you like the uniforms for both the Bucks and the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bucks wore these earlier in the year. And I think you asked me what favorites I'd like to see come back, and I said the Seahawks. I like, hated them in the early nineties, but it's just weird. Over time, these things come back around. I'm a big throwback guy, and today I liked the cream Sickle and the old Hawks. You cream Sickles should just come back, just make it permanence.

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Speaker 1: Man, do you think do you think Tampa Bay with fans would just prefer if that was the logo.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, but you want a Super Bowl with the other one.

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Speaker 3: We did, but those creams Cole oh and sixteen days are long behind us now.

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Speaker 1: So now you can have Yeah. By the way, I want to go back. I forgot something on the Broncos Eagles. They showed in the locker room Sean Payton giving a speech when the game was over. Sean Payton is talking to his team and it seems like they are being engulfed by wildfire smoke. Have you seen the video of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean sometimes there'll be like some victory cigars, you know, a little smoke in there. Whatever, have your fun this. I was watching it, like, do they need to evacuate? Is there a planning place to get them out of the Yeah? And you can barely see them in the camera, and it.

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Speaker 1: Felt like no one was concerned. So I was wondering, I mean, do we know what was happening? Because even the announcers didn't address it. I'm gonna guess they brought their own fireworks and shot them off inside.

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Speaker 3: Not as exciting as you might think. Denver has smoke machines that they play after a.

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Speaker 1: Win in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so that didn't look like it said that looked like a dangerous situation. It was dark.

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Speaker 1: Wait man, so hang on a second. They get into the locker room after the game, a closed space, and somebody's just starts shooting smoke.

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Speaker 2: Into the air.

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Speaker 3: On the explanation on New York Post, it is smoke machine that Denver has after wins.

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Speaker 2: Did Lincoln Financial Field to prove this seems like a fire hazard.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I can't imagine. The players are like, you know, they win and everybody just go and you just smoke comes flying at you and excuse me, that's something for fans, that's not for us. I like, they see you're saying.

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Speaker 2: They do that every game.

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Speaker 3: After every win.

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Speaker 2: So there's probably someone on staff whose job is to carry the smoke machine two away locker rooms and make sure they have smoke smoke ready.

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Speaker 1: What a bizarre celebrate. That's what it would be like, shooting off fireworks inside.

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Speaker 2: I don't approve this. Yeah, well go look at that video.

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Speaker 1: It's it does not look like a situation that you would you would recommend the Vikings this morning beat the Browns twenty one seventeen. I thought this was one. I mean, first of all the Browns, you know, Dylan Gabriel. I guess it was kind of cool to see him out there for the first time.

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Speaker 2: D his boy DG. Were you impressed if I was a Browns fan, Yeah, I mean it's better than Flacco. I mean, you didn't win the game, but I at least want to see more Gabriel. He didn't. I don't think he had a touchdown. He didn't have a turnover either. He just he was just good throws.

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Speaker 1: Who's just out there? It's seven team fourteen Browns. Carson Wentz gets the ball three and a half minutes to go. I don't think anybody in America thought eighty yard touchdown drive, but he did it methodically. Carson Wentz goes down the field, scores with just I think twenty five seconds left. I mean, timing absolutely perfect, takes the exact right amount of time off the clock. You know, if you're the Vikings. When JJ McCarthy comes back, is it Carson Wentz's team.

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Speaker 2: That's what's weird. They're so excited about McCarthy. Then you hear have old man Wentz on his sixteen and six years looking about as good as you can expect to McCarthy. So I don't know. I don't I guess they have to go back because he's your young future. But Wwentz has done nothing to take it back from me.

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Speaker 1: What they're three and two. They should have won last week. They should be four and one. You know, I mean, who gives you a better chance to win today, Carson Wentz or JJ McCarthy probably still McCarthy. Okay, well then if you believe that, then you definitely mean Winz fin But it was the Browns in London. Yeah, but he played well in the game before they went to Lot. I don't disagree, So I mean I would at least consider it because I think when they get back, McCarthy will be healthy, so they're gonna have to make a decision.

00:27:18
Speaker 2: Part of it is just it's the same thing I said about Flacco going to Gabriel Wilson going to Dart. It's like, at some point, okay, the old man's winning, but we all know this is he's just holdover for a little bit, like let's at least try to get some excitement for the future. But he's been good. The big story of this is Jordan Addison caught the game winning touchdown after being suspended for being out all night. He didn't play the first quarter he went out. Oh, I didn't play. He was out all night in London.

00:27:46
Speaker 1: So he stayed out all night.

00:27:48
Speaker 2: Well, I guess they're not going to tell us exactly how lad he was. But he got missed curfew, Yes, missed. Well then why did he meet curfew? I mean, I mean, I'm looking at a person right now, and Drew Franklin that I think you used to work better the longer you stayed at Jordan Addison's my spirit animal.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: I mean, probably the best thing that you've written, at least when we were doing national stuff. You and I was an article you wrote after staying out literally all night in New York City. We walked into a hotel room and they only had one bed, and you looked at me and said, I am not sharing a bed with you. I will see you in the morning. And you just went out and stayed out literally all night. Came back and got in the car and went with us, had a great time, and we drove from New York to Charlottesville, Virginia, not a short drive. Duke played Virginia and basketball, and you wrote a great story with no sleep having stayed out all night. You're the Jordan Addison of writing. I would say Jordan Addison is the Drew Franklin of the NFL.

00:28:44
Speaker 2: I really will never know what Jordan Addison did, but as someone who has an appreciation for we did was the out Just club until five am? I don't know. There's a lot of speculation online. There's I guess a picture with him of a rapper roll late at night. Jefferson kind of called him out in the press conference afterwards, but I mean he had the game winging touchdown. What do you want from the man? You have you been to London? I have not.

00:29:06
Speaker 1: So when you go out late at night in London, everywhere you go, people just want to eat like Alla like they want to eat like kebabs. Sounds perfect, but at like one am, but nobody eats them during regular hours. I guess the equivalent would be like an America waffle house. Okay, right, and so there'll just be the later it gets in London, the more slabs of meat are in your face just everywhere.

00:29:33
Speaker 2: It's right in my alley. That's what I do in New York. That's exactly find me all the street meat piled up.

00:29:38
Speaker 1: So I think Jordan Addison was out with his street meat, comes in, gets the touchdown.

00:29:43
Speaker 2: I got a new favorite plan.

00:29:44
Speaker 1: Now, the Vikings did almost lose the game on a kick that hit the camera cable. Now Will Richard does a kick. If you watch it live, it just goes straight and then slices to the right. Oddly in the moment, no one noticed that it hit the can record, The announcers didn't notice, it didn't get reviewed. I don't even know if the kicker noticed. But then after the game, people looking on social media said, wait a minute, that ball hit the camera wire.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: What did you make of that? I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often. I know it's a small wire and a small ball, but this happened in the Cowboys game later too. With the camera you know, they have the skycams sliding back and forth and all these new cables there. I feel like they're just they've been cutting it a little too close as it is, and now we're finally seeing that it's actually getting in the way.

00:30:39
Speaker 1: Well, I learned that it's a rule that if they had seen it, he gets to kick again. You think that's fair.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: You think that's a good rule. Absolutely. I mean it's sitting like a golf course where we have obstacles in the way. Men we're playing football. I mean, if it's not so good, maybe we're just gonna start hanging the American flag hanging down hoping. I mean, I have to say these kickers are getting good.

00:31:02
Speaker 1: I think putting some traps.

00:31:05
Speaker 2: Maybe have like a pendulum swinging that they got to get the golf course. You know, the chords flap around. He's got to curve it around. Maybe a gold ring can hang. And if he goes to you, you.

00:31:17
Speaker 1: Put the lines like on the hash marks, or like right inside the hash marks to give you incentive to be in the center, or you'll have to curve it around the hash mark. I think these are this is a good way because kicking is getting too easy.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about that. Well, if you're getting to that one better, the defense gets to hang a player down from the rafters swinging and he actually gets to try to block it. Really yeah, from a cord. Get one player like he's at a circus. He can decide do I want to get some momentum and go right to left, So you want.

00:31:47
Speaker 1: To go where's where he's strategy?

00:31:52
Speaker 2: Do you want to go right to? You can go front to back, try to get the high kick. I like it.

00:31:56
Speaker 1: Okay, you know one of my one of the wrestlers who who wrestles at ov W mister Spectacular is on the new season of American Gladiators.

00:32:05
Speaker 2: He can do that. He can swing from the Maybe Turbo could get signed to I saw it, Blaze. I haven't heard what what mister Pectacular's name is gonna be? Peck? I think I name miss Rectangular. Just fry stick with that. It's right there. He's gonna go by Charles. My name's Jim. That's a good point.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs to change. Hello, my name is mister Pectacular.

00:32:33
Speaker 2: All right, son? What name you're gonna have on the show?

00:32:37
Speaker 1: Brian?

00:32:39
Speaker 2: I would like to be called Bradley the Texans Texans beat the Ravens forty four to ten.

00:32:48
Speaker 1: The Texans scored on every single possession. Who cares about the Texans? What has happened to the Ravens? Worst defense there now? I think the lowest rated defense in the league. This is the Baltimore Ravens. How did that happen.

00:33:04
Speaker 2: When you think of the Ravens, you think defense. I think ed Reed and ray Lewis should be allowed to walk into the locker room and smack all of them in the face and so they get it together. Speaking of the Texans, Rookie did the ray Lewis dance, tunning them in Baltimore. That was the most upset. The defense was all right, okay, So I saw that he did the little ray Lewis dance. It's about forty one to ten, which, by the way, how's that dance? Still? No, it's amazing.

00:33:28
Speaker 1: Like no one talks about the Icky Shuffle anymore. I mean no, no one does the Dion, No one does the Billy White Shoes Johnson, They don't do the dirty Bird. But yet, for some reason, ray Lewis's dance. Why is it sacred? Why can't he do ray Lewis's dance iconic? My best friend Derek does it every time. Wait, and it's great when he does it, But explain, But seriously, what am I missing? Why is it disrespectful to do the ray Lewis dance at Balton because you're.

00:33:55
Speaker 2: Mocking the tradition of the Baltimore Defense. Again, if I would shuffle.

00:34:00
Speaker 1: I don't think t Higgins would smack me in the face.

00:34:03
Speaker 2: When you think the Bengals, I don't think anyone thinking about the icky shuffle. When you think raven that defense is their staple. That is like their calling card, what Baltimore Ravens are known for. I would argue being down forty one to ten as more of a slap in the face of that defense, but they obviously took offense to him.

00:34:22
Speaker 1: I think people need to do the Ray Lewis dance every play until they start playing better.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm big on the staring.

00:34:30
Speaker 1: To me exactly, it's embarrassing to me that you would be down forty one to ten and that's the moment you would start to show energy. Is because they did the Ray Lewis.

00:34:39
Speaker 2: As the Titans guy. Years ago, Cam Newton did his Superman thing and the Titans defense just snap started a fight, and I'm like, well, maybe if we just kept him out of the end zone, he'd stop doing the Superman dance. So at some point you got to look in the mirror on that.

00:34:51
Speaker 1: By the way, Zach Orr, who's a defensive coordinator for the Ravens Hardball set up for the game. He will be keeping his job. I don't know that it will make any Diar. They're one and four. The Ravens just out because Lamar's probably gonna be back next week.

00:35:07
Speaker 2: Is it too late. Probably. It's unbelievable we're having this conversation after the Sunday night game they had in Week one and part of its injuries. I mean, they have like a Pro Bowl roster on their injury report right now, but you're one in four. I don't know how you're gonna flip the switch.

00:35:23
Speaker 1: I mean, they're decimated by injuries, but so are the forty nine ers and they're four and one. I think having me even with all those injuries.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then little things like Derek Henley fumbling three games in a row to start the year, they just seem completely out of sorts, even beyond the injuries.

00:35:37
Speaker 1: He did, however, get his one hundred and tenth touchdown that tizing for fifth all time with Walter Payton.

00:35:43
Speaker 3: Congratulations King, Miss Emmitt Smith number one, one sixty four.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: Well look at you, mister Statt. Who is the top five.

00:35:51
Speaker 3: Emitt Smith's lt Ladanian, Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, and Derrick Henry good company.

00:35:58
Speaker 2: That's good. The one.

00:35:59
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people would have gotten Marcus Allen or Ladanian Tomlinson, but yeah, impressive. Emmitt Smith number one. I don't think. I don't think I knew that. The second half of the game. By the way, stands were completely empty. I mean crazy. That had to be if you're a Baltimore fan, one of the more miserable experiences you would have had. I'm gonna go see Cooper Rush and we're gonna lose forty four to ten.

00:36:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, this team I thought was gonna win the Super Bowl just three or four weeks ago.

00:36:24
Speaker 1: Giants go up fourteen to nothing early against the New Orleans Saints. Looks like it's Jackson darts coming out party. You can almost see the parades that are happening. It'll be the back page of the New York Post saying, uh, can't Dart this? You know what, Everyone's going to be excited. They then don't score again. Jackson Dart throws two interceptions, has a fumble. The Saints win their first game twenty six to fourteen. Spencer Rattler gets his first win after starting oh to ten.

00:36:54
Speaker 2: Obviously, he listen to Cover zero. Just last week we were talking about how he's oh and ten, and then I believe we even reminded Spencer Raller that hang in there, Troy Aikman, he went oh and ten. Look Raller just a week later gets a win. He looked good today too.

00:37:08
Speaker 1: They didn't actually sneakily play pretty hard. I mean they were good last week against the Bills. They win, but they played well, so maybe the Saints aren't as bad as we thought.

00:37:20
Speaker 2: And just some big plays that had an eighty seven yard touchdown and eighty six yard touchdown was just a very entertaining comeback for a team that I didn't think was going to be much And then here they are with the win. Yeah there was this quarter. This statistic is crazy.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: This was the first win by a quarterback drafted by the Saints since nineteen ninety eight. That is an amazing statistic. The first Saints drafted quarterback to win a game for the Saints since nineteen ninety eight, in a.

00:37:56
Speaker 2: Year where they drafted their future quarterback Tyler Shuck. Just sitting there watching Spencer Eler maybe turn things around.

00:38:02
Speaker 1: You would have thought, after back to back years of picking quarterbacks. They didn't think they would get in the game five of the season with having that be the statistic. But Saints and Giants now both one and four. That roughing the passer call worst ruffing the passer call of all time.

00:38:19
Speaker 2: I still don't understand how that was called or how that can be just fued like it made no sense at all. What do you think the thought was? I was roughing the pass. I think he accidentally threw it. It's like I didn't mean to throw that. Now I'm committed. I guess I'm gonna have to. I guess the lag on the ground, Yeah, because he's just like shoved him down and he had the ball.

00:38:38
Speaker 1: Might that might be the worst ruffing the passer call that's ever been ever been called in a game that I've seen. Cowboys beat the Jets thirty seven, twenty two. We talked a second ago about how Dak Prescott would be an MVP. Can Cowboys with the number one offense right now in the NFL? Uh the you know who needs ceedee Lamb Pickens and Dak looking like Montana and Rice.

00:39:05
Speaker 2: There's been so many years where people have questioned, is Dak the guy? Why did they give Dak the big contract when they did, Dak's not the answer. The Cowboys are finally having the Dak year they paid for and the defense is so bad now they won today, so good for them. It's still gonna be a long year, but good for Dak to finally have his MVP year, even though they're not gonna have the wins to lead it to an actually MVP year. But he's looking the part.

00:39:29
Speaker 1: Dax players. This is this is peak Dak. We'll see if he's able to keep it. Especially what if I told you that this is the Cowboys offensive line. Here are the five guys that started on offensive line. Sixth round pick, seventh round pick, undrafted free agent, undrafted free agent, undrafted D two free agent.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were down four starters today.

00:39:55
Speaker 1: That was their starting offensive line today, and they still scored thirty seven points. Pretty impressive, right.

00:40:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jets defense has been bad, but I don't care who you're playing. When you stream together a line like that, when you're missing four members of your starting offensive line, that's a heck of a way to go and get a win and to scores many points as they did.

00:40:13
Speaker 1: The Jets have yet to create a turnover this year, five five weeks. You would think, just randomly that someone would have dropped.

00:40:20
Speaker 2: The bulk of a fumble a bat pass. You'd look into one somewhere. Yeah, Zero got a defensive coach. You can't love that.

00:40:28
Speaker 1: No, the two touchdowns for Jake Ferguson. To me, the story of the game, though, is Jordan Blue Jaden Blue. Excuse me, Jayden Blue. Jayden Blue came into the game today. He ended up with blisters on his feet. You ever had blisters on your feet like bad ones? Yeah, it could be tough to walk.

00:40:46
Speaker 2: H some a whimp the moment I even get the sign of a blister, I like shut down for weeks, Like I have a blister, looks like one starting to form.

00:40:54
Speaker 1: How you get one on your heel, that's the worst, Like the ones on your heel, you can't well.

00:41:01
Speaker 2: Jade Blue got him?

00:41:01
Speaker 1: How'd he get him? Well, he got him because he tried to practice this week. Louis Vaton cleats.

00:41:08
Speaker 3: Gotta look good, look good, play good.

00:41:11
Speaker 1: Did you know Louis Vauton made cleats? No? What I wonder who I mean? First of all, football cleats. You can't sell those anywhere else in the world. So now we're down, and presumably not many college guys wear them, so that's a pretty small market I would think for Louis Vauton cleats, and this can't help the advertiser.

00:41:30
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. Sometimes guys, I get it your young flash, you got the money, you want to show off. If I'm a professional athlete, give me like, I don't care what the shoe looks like, Please protect my feet. This is my money maker. Like the someone got hurt recently wearing like vintage Jordan's that they customized to turn into football shoes, and was like, of course you got hurt. That's not designed for football. Kind of feel like Blue did that again today? Maybe wear your Louise from the car to the locker room, but get serious about your football.

00:42:03
Speaker 1: When it's just me, you just wear comfortable shoes. Get some doctor show, some hokahs, some Brooks, some hokas with doctor Sholes.

00:42:10
Speaker 2: Take care of your puppies.

00:42:11
Speaker 1: You know. I taught Billy just recently about who Mitch Hedburg was. Do you know Mitch Hedburger the Comman? He didn't know who it was, and we watched them. He had the great bit about doctor Scholls he was like, doctor Scholls, I think he wasted all that money on an education. He said, I think you didn't have to go to med school to figure out if you just put cushions on your feet it'll feel better.

00:42:33
Speaker 2: I'd buy those from mister Show.

00:42:37
Speaker 1: The delivery is not exactly the same, to be fair, but I think that's all he needed was a doctor Scholl and a hookah.

00:42:43
Speaker 2: If you're Jaden Blue, like, how do you tell them? How do you admit this? I would be like, definitely, wasn't lou Vuittons. By the way, no one. I was running on gravel before I got here. I shouldn't have done that. Like, why confess this? You would not get that out of me that I had moss because I have Louis Vatan And were you wearing the Louis Vuittans again? No, I had them on for one hour. I was wearing prescription shoes. But you're an athlete getting paid millions and you have to say I have blisters because of my lousvitons. I just I think you need to look at your priorities here.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: Well, he clearly did not. The Colts Indiana Jones wins forty to six against the Raiders an absolute she lacking. Jonathan Taylor had three touchdowns, the Colts for one. At this point, you have to say they're for real, right they are.

00:43:39
Speaker 2: I made fun of them before the season started, and I've shut up real quickly. Heck, they almost beat the Rams last week. Should be five and zero if not for that fumble at the at the goal line. It's it's incredible to turnaround they've had with a quarterback that kind of just got thrown away and became a joke with the NFL.

00:43:57
Speaker 1: For me, the bigger story though, is the Raiders because when the game was over, Pete Carroll said he's seventy three years old, and we like him because he's like out, you know, doing like curls between games, and he kind of reminds me of Jack l Lane. He's like juicing on the sidelines and stuff, not like steroid juicing, like you know, pineapples and tomatoes. But he said he is quote processing losing poorly and it is hurting him. And he said it in a way that kind of got sad, like watching an old guy standing next to his dog as it dies or something. That's kind of how I felt. Is the lesson with him and Belichick. Sometimes the old guys just need to just, you know, take up parcheesy. I took it as Vegas. He's not handling it well being in Vegas losing. Okay, he's like not handling as well. I lose a football game and I go hit the slots and those aren't working for me. The next thing I know, I'm the I'm on the street begging for money to go back in there and gamble more.

00:44:59
Speaker 2: What is par cheesy better?

00:45:01
Speaker 1: I always hear people say talking about playing parcheesy?

00:45:03
Speaker 2: What the game? But like, what is it out? Do you know I've never played it? Is it a card game? A board game? It's a board game? Huh. I want to say there's a mouse involved, a mouse maybe on like the logo or something.

00:45:19
Speaker 4: Okay, well you I think Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick should potentially go into that because this has been a bad return for both guys, both former Patriots coaches.

00:45:30
Speaker 1: Neither one of them has worked out. Do you think he can turn around?

00:45:32
Speaker 2: You know?

00:45:33
Speaker 1: Smith has nine interceptions.

00:45:34
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if I would attach my comeback to Gino Smith the way Gino he would do well? I did.

00:45:39
Speaker 1: I thought Gino was going to be good. There.

00:45:41
Speaker 2: They're so bad today that Anthony Richardson came in and completed his first pass of the season. But who get who caught it? Anthony Richardson. That's what's amazing. Our defense is so bad. We're letting hot Dog Water come in and complete passes to himself. Yeah, what is part cheesy?

00:45:57
Speaker 3: It's a board game with four circles in the corners.

00:46:01
Speaker 2: And uh, how do you play? Is there a mouse?

00:46:04
Speaker 3: Each player rolls a single dice to a Turan player order first.

00:46:07
Speaker 2: Man, that's what I was wondering. What order of the play was gonna go in?

00:46:12
Speaker 1: So, yeah, thank you, Billy's gonna go through all the rules. So first I roll the dice to see who gets to roll the dice, okay, and then what counterclockwise? Yeah all right, so we've done that.

00:46:22
Speaker 3: So then whoever is going first?

00:46:24
Speaker 2: Okay?

00:46:24
Speaker 3: The player rolls the dice and must use the top most facing die PIP values shown to move their pieces around the board in one of the falling ways. And there are several different ways we can move this piece around the board.

00:46:36
Speaker 1: Blaine, how you decided what part of the dice had rolled? You said, the top facing part. Isn't that what you always do with dice.

00:46:44
Speaker 3: We're just going from top to bottom on these rules.

00:46:48
Speaker 2: Billy calls it parheesy. That was good, Thank you? All right? Well, good luck to the Raiders and their tips and it comeback.

00:47:12
Speaker 1: The Dolphins lose twenty seven to twenty four to the Panthers. Dolphins were up seventeen to nothing in this game. We're absolutely rolling and then it all fell apart. Rico is it Dowdell? Yeah, Rico Dwell had over two hundred yards he set after the game. Hey, Cowboys, we play next week. Jerry Jones couldn't even remember my name. He'll know my name next week. That's a story to watch this week.

00:47:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. I watched Rico as a Cowboy for many years. Really like him. I liked it breakout game before that, you know, the having just lost Tyreek last week, you wondered they'd be able to throw it around a little bit for the Dolphins. Two ends up having three touchdowns to three different players, but still can't get a w out of it.

00:47:55
Speaker 1: Panthers have lost three games I think combined one hundred and ninety five to nothing, and yet they're two and three because they've also won two games.

00:48:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned Don wins Day. They went, they won a game by thirty, then lost a game by thirty the following a sixty point swing, and then now I guess they win this one by a field goal. But it's been a wild season for them.

00:48:17
Speaker 1: I still can't get myself to watch one of their games, but if I was going to watch it, it would be because of their announcer. You know, the announcer of this game, Eric Collins. First of all, where did he come from?

00:48:29
Speaker 2: He's the He's a famous NBA announcer. Horn He's the Hornets guy. Oh, he's the horn They called him. Always used to talk about him. They called him over to try his hand in football because he's so popular. He was. So he's kind of like Gus Johnson. I mean, when something happens, he loses it. How does he do that for the Hornets though? Because the Hornets never do anything exciting, but it's just that screaming that really gets you into it. So they brought him for this game. If I'm not gonna saying, it's his first time ever doing an NFL and they head him to his hometown Panthers. Yes, all right.

00:48:59
Speaker 1: So there's like a compilation of a couple of his clips here, Play me, I haven't heard this.

00:49:05
Speaker 2: Play me what he sounds like? Tongue stop?

00:49:14
Speaker 1: Look at him to the inshole?

00:49:20
Speaker 2: Hey, Chad did he did? Look at this the inshole? So is he like that all the time? Like I like it? He just gets that excited all the time. He's very popular in the NBA, very popular for that reason. I mean, just listen to that. You can't help but smile a little bit. You can't.

00:49:45
Speaker 1: But is there a point where I mean, this was Panthers Dolphins, right, If you're giving me that for Panthers Dolphins Week five?

00:49:53
Speaker 2: What am I? I mean?

00:49:54
Speaker 1: What am I going to get in the super Bowl? I mean, I feel like you gotta you gotta just show him enough for Panthers Dolphins.

00:50:01
Speaker 2: Don't give him everything. No, that's why he does. Hornets and Panthers. They're like, we cannot give you a meaningful game, like you'll kill yourself. He just obviously combined. Doctor will not let him do a call of playoff game. So they're like, you get the Panthers, the Hornets, any bad team will give you.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: We cannot give you NBA Finals, We know the NFL has been big on Matt. We should try to get some gas, right. We did have the Spider, Brown Spider and his first lady. How about Eric Collins? You think you can get Eric Collins for Wednesday?

00:50:31
Speaker 3: Billy, Yeah, we can reach out see if he's got no not we can. Yeah, you're talking to the guy that's gotten a lot of stuff done on this Podcat.

00:50:39
Speaker 2: He wants his Tate Ratis Jersey and his bottle of wine.

00:50:43
Speaker 3: I mean, what else do you owe me from the last done?

00:50:47
Speaker 1: Well, okay, you got the Brown Spider.

00:50:50
Speaker 2: That was Tate Rallis Jersey. What else have you got? The Jackson Dart anytime touchdown? That was for something.

00:50:56
Speaker 3: No, it was like a stat that you didn't think was right and back check.

00:51:01
Speaker 1: So you want so you want a bottle of wine from Stellenbosch, South Africa.

00:51:05
Speaker 3: Which if you haven't gotten by it's gonna be.

00:51:06
Speaker 1: Hard again because I'm not there right now, but I'll work on it. For the Tate Ralid Jersey. Do you think you can get Eric Collins?

00:51:18
Speaker 3: I think I can.

00:51:19
Speaker 1: All right, Wednesday for the next episode, we'll see if we have Eric Collins, I'm gonna ask him Sunday. You need to calm down just to look. I hope he just talks like that.

00:51:28
Speaker 2: You like how you doing? Eric got beer out all right?

00:51:41
Speaker 1: I did like for the Dolphins, even though they lost, which is a bad loss with him. Darren Waller, I thought he retired seven years ago, and then he not only played after I think he was retired up until two weeks ago. And now they played. He like dominated the first half.

00:51:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came back. He had a big game on Monday Night Football last week and then scored another touchdown today. He stepped away for two or three years, became a rapper. Looks like he became a rapper, really, d wall I mean it was it was over. It was over for d wall Yeah, and this has been a quite a resurgence for him in Miami though they can come back.

00:52:20
Speaker 1: Good for you, damn back weeks although you did lose to the Panthers.

00:52:24
Speaker 2: Formally married to w NBA star Kelsey Plumb Plumb formerly married. Yeah, they had a big, big divorce. Oh got him all at that? You got him? I think that was last year, got him back focused to get back to football. You're saying he needed a divorce. I had to get away from the rapping.

00:52:40
Speaker 1: Wow, look at you, not believing in the bonds of marriage. You're rooting for divorces seem to work out for him. That's true. Kelsey Plumb has been good too, right he You know, love isn't always the answer. It's not.

00:52:54
Speaker 2: Sometimes even the best of relationships come to an end. All right. I'll just I'm gonna step back here because your Tennessee Titans. Yeah.

00:53:02
Speaker 1: First of all, another guy drops the ball before he runs in the inze. We talked about this last week. Why are people still doing this? This is not even a game. If he holds on the football.

00:53:12
Speaker 2: That would have put Arizona up twenty eight to six in the fourth quarter. Why seventy two yard run, They would have been up by twenty for just one more step. I mean that one there by the way he crossed the line on this. And I'm not just saying it's my own team. If it's even a question, if you're an idiot and can't hold onto the ball, I deserve to get it taken away, I agree with. But a seventy two yard run would have made it twenty eight to six, and then that happens. Even then, I'm thinking all right, Well, you know they said in pile up, pile it on, we get the ball back, and well, let's talk about.

00:53:45
Speaker 1: The dumbest play in the history of football. I mean, the Titans throw an interception. Oh, I'm just gonna lead to other stuff before that. That's all I got there, road go.

00:53:54
Speaker 2: Well, the Titans were actually decided to score a touchdown out of nowhere. We haven't had one in weeks after the fumble, I haven't had a touch on. Cam Wored just has the best drive we've seen from him all season. He wasn't asked even then like, well we're still down big, Arizona's getting the ball back. Then we get a three and out. Why don't you think we've had more of those all season? And then gets what you're talking about. Cam Wore drives them again.

00:54:17
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this play. Let's just break it down. Cam Moore drives back. They're driving down I think nine, so they have a chance to cut it to two. He throws an interception, a bad interception, like not even close to the receiver. Game over. If old boy just falls down, just hold on the down. All you got to do is fall down and sead. He tries to run it back, he fumbles it and the ball falls in the end zone. The Titans fall on it. It's amazing because I think it was third down. So even if he hadn't intercepted it, if he just knocked it down, it would have been fine. But he did the only thing you can't do, which is intercept fumbling the end zone touchdown. You skip two big important steps. After he fumbled it, one of them kicked it from the five to the two. At this point, it's still not the end zone. So a cardinal has now intercepted it and fumbled it. Another cardinal has kicked it. Then a third cardinal comes in and kicks it even further in the end zone. So we had two kicks to get it from the five to the end zone where Lockett dives on it for an improbable touchdown. Would you agree that NFL players are some of the most the best athletes in the world. Would you agree with that, yes? Why is it when a ball hits the ground that they become the clumsiest people on the planet. Like, if you were to throw a ball on the ground right there, I am almost one hundred percent.

00:55:46
Speaker 2: Sure I could fall on it. Listen.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: I can't throw a touchdown pass. I can't make a tackle in the open field. I can't break a kickoff run. If I saw a ball on the ground, Billy, I could fall on it and grab it.

00:56:05
Speaker 2: Not people in the NFL.

00:56:06
Speaker 1: When the ball hits the ground in the NFL, everyone turns into the clumsiest person in the world. They jump on it, it squeezes out from them, they trip over each other, they kick it. Why do people become so discombobulated when there's a fumble.

00:56:22
Speaker 2: They're thrown off, They're not used to them. It's usually someone that doesn't have the ball very often, like Kentucky football, just last week of South Carolina, we have an offense on it. You fall on it, you punt, you live to see another day. But it's like he poured olive oil over it and then just like belly flopped on it to see how far he could shoot it out from his belly.

00:56:42
Speaker 1: And again, if I was gonna fall, I would take my arms and I'd make it to where.

00:56:47
Speaker 2: They I would build a I would build a dome with that body all belly first on the ball.

00:56:52
Speaker 1: They pull their arms back and they think they give it a belly flop and then just watch the ball scoot out. Oh whoops, you know.

00:57:02
Speaker 2: Here they were kick kick. I left out a moment before the interception as I was running through that. When the Titans drove the field, they were down nine, and I'm thinking, Oh, what are we gonna do here? What we're gonna do here? We're gonna go for two, We're gonna kick the extra point. How's Callahan gonna play this? Because Callahan has done the wrong thing every single time there's been decision. He sends out the kicker for the extra point. I'm like, that's fine, whatever. Kicker just absolutely shanks the extra point. I mean, at a point where we had to make a decision. It's just so Titans. This ball didn't even stand a chance. I don't know that it even got out of the back of the end zone. On the next it was still a two per So literally the Cardinals, there were so many things. If you played that fourth quarter one hundred times, I'm not kidding, ninety nine times, the Cardinals would win by at least fifty. They won.

00:57:48
Speaker 1: No.

00:57:49
Speaker 2: I actually lay. I was like, we can't even get the last picks. Are stuck a losing like at least, let's get the last the first pick. Excuse me, let's at least you know tank even though it's week five. And then we managed to I guess the Cardinals did more than the Titans here, but it was a blooper in the fourth quarter, one after another.

00:58:08
Speaker 1: Speaking of the fumbles, you know, I've I've told this story on a couple other platforms, but out here. When I was at ESPN back before COVID, we would watch the games in this game room and Chris Berman, I think I've told you he will when he watches games, so I would be in a room with Chris Berman. He narrates the games in real life like he does on the highlights, So he does the raid is and he like does all that stuff. And once I started watching games with him, I just kept thinking, man, there's a fumble, like I want there to be a fumble where no one can get the ball. And it was like week four finally there was a play like this one. And here he is sitting there in front of seventy five people at ESPN and he goes, WHOA, and I went, yes, I wanted them so bad so much.

00:59:05
Speaker 2: And he would have done that today. You would have.

00:59:07
Speaker 1: Gone so just so people know. Sometimes you wonder are people in real life like they are on TV? When it comes to Chris Berman and football, he is plenty of bloopers for him to whoop. Today, Commanders beat the Chargers on paper, this should have been a great game two teams that are kind of borderline Super Bowl contenders. Instead it was awful. Chargers got up ten to nothing and then Justin Herbert played one of his worst games in two or three years. Commanders scored twenty seven straight points. The Chargers lead the NFL and penalties so far this year thirty nine penalties in four games. Really bad performance from the Chargers after that early tenzer lead. Do you blame the fact that Madison Beer came to her first game today for Justin Harber?

00:59:54
Speaker 2: I saw Justin got a big kiss from Madison on the side. We can't be kissing. This is a this is a family league.

01:00:00
Speaker 1: Mattut there are you allowed to kiss on your girl on the field for the game?

01:00:06
Speaker 2: Is this normal?

01:00:07
Speaker 1: I don't know the answered it is. You see play homes and Brittany kiss did that? I've seen women and men kissing after games. Good with that. I'm not anti kiss let me be clear. You have left, but can you tongue lock before a game on the field.

01:00:24
Speaker 3: The wives come out on the field before the game too. I mean it's a whole thing.

01:00:28
Speaker 2: What do you mean they come out on the field before the game.

01:00:30
Speaker 3: Well, they can be on the sideline. The family time that the babies come out, maybe when I have the kid on the turn.

01:00:35
Speaker 2: Come on, dad, hold the baby and your pads get a picture. But is that good? It's pretty common.

01:00:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay.

01:00:41
Speaker 2: But family time. So if they kiss them, then they just were together that morning. I agree.

01:00:48
Speaker 1: Again, I'm not anti family, but like it's time to go to work.

01:00:53
Speaker 2: You don't see Like when I was a lawyer, it wasn't.

01:00:57
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes before a death pittalty trial and we had my we had a kid crawling on the judges chambers.

01:01:04
Speaker 2: It's family time. Gotta go kiss madison beer? Yeah, I mean once the punother job? Do you do that? Right? For a surgery?

01:01:14
Speaker 1: Your wife comes in, We're gonna go, honey, open heart surgery.

01:01:18
Speaker 2: Let's lip lock, bring the kids in. We're geting a family. Everybody.

01:01:22
Speaker 1: Look at this artery that's clogged, Johnny.

01:01:25
Speaker 2: Dad's about to fix this everyone smile. Why did they? Why are they on the field before the game? Given smooches? Gang, give smooch so you can give up twenty seven the Madison beer. We said this the other day and.

01:01:39
Speaker 3: I don't remember social media stars.

01:01:41
Speaker 2: So what does she do?

01:01:42
Speaker 1: She sings? Okay, she sings.

01:01:44
Speaker 2: She's part of this new generation where they're just famous. Yeah, it's like, what do they do? Like, I don't know, they're just famous. Yeah, they get ready in the morning and put it on TikTok. That's what they do to be famous.

01:01:54
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns with the commanders for was it? Jacory uh Rescu, Marrit Krosky merrit? Now he goes by Bill. We talked about this a few weeks ago. He's Jacorey Krossky Merrit. He says, just call me Bill. But now we've learned why Billy? Why is it he wants to go by Bill?

01:02:08
Speaker 3: Well, the old Little Bill show? What show is that Little Bill on Nickelodeon?

01:02:15
Speaker 1: You repeating the name Bill Bill anything? So it was on nickelode and a cartoon.

01:02:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was animated cartoon. And I believe he looked like Little Bill and that is what they started calling him when he was a kid.

01:02:27
Speaker 1: I like though, that we're just calling him Bill's like the announcers are just like touchdown Bill.

01:02:32
Speaker 2: Should be nothing against his name, but it's long got hyphens. J Cory Krossky merrit. No Bill, Let's just go Bill. Well.

01:02:43
Speaker 1: I kind of like it because I'll never remember Ja Cory Krossky merrit, but I can remember Bill, and.

01:02:51
Speaker 2: So you'll remember Billy had a big game. You remember his name.

01:02:54
Speaker 1: He's been He's been good all year. Two touchdowns. Ja Das was back. So big win and very disappointing performance for the Chargers, who now if if the Chiefs win tomorrow, they've basically given up that had a two game advantage over the Chiefs, and they will have given it up within week five if the Chiefs win against the Jaguars, and we'll finish with a poor performance for Cincinnati Bengals who lose at home thirty seven to twenty four. I think the stat from this game that was the most telling is that Jamar Chase at one point had four receptions and three tackles.

01:03:31
Speaker 2: The best receiver in the league.

01:03:33
Speaker 1: Get out the tackles at one point four receptions and three tackles. Tough day for your boy if I die before our wake feed.

01:03:41
Speaker 2: Jake Browning, Yeah, Jake Browning not looking good for Cincinnati. I think they've got like thirty five points in three weeks with him since Barrow's been out. Did you see his interview after the game? No Brows or Brownings?

01:03:53
Speaker 1: Brownings he was very sad. I kind of felt sorry for him. He was like doing the best I.

01:04:01
Speaker 2: Mean you got.

01:04:03
Speaker 1: He wasn't crying, but he was like, I'm try lay off me. I know, he wasn't being defensive. It was like it was almost like sadness. He was just like, look, I just might not be very good. I worked hard, so he's going through it. Just don't think I'm good at football? So what do you want from me? I kind of felt bad for Jake Browny.

01:04:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a big opportunity here and he's absolutely fumbled that with that offense.

01:04:36
Speaker 1: Would you go get somebody else? Like, would you try to get Jamis Winston or something? A bit the beingles started two and two or started two and zero, So two and three and the rest of the division isn't good, so like it's not over yet. I mean, wouldn't it be worth going and trying to salvage.

01:04:52
Speaker 2: It absolutely, and we'll see some separation at places Like you mentioned wins McCarthy.

01:05:00
Speaker 1: What about Jameis Winston. Why wouldn't you go try James Winsley's a third string, he's not playing for a bad Giants. They're not gonna put him in because they want Jackson Dark to play.

01:05:08
Speaker 2: Why not just he'd be the easiest being third somewhere where he's definitely not getting used. But if you're Bengals fan, I mean, you're not going to have a successful year no matter what. But I think your roster is at least good enough. You got to try to go out and find someone that could fill that spot.

01:05:23
Speaker 1: Gibbs and Montgomery or you were you were saying to meet.

01:05:26
Speaker 2: The Todd Emmett and Darryl Johnston for the most touchdowns by a duo for one team.

01:05:33
Speaker 1: Yep, but that's that's amazing. You wouldn't think that is that in a career.

01:05:40
Speaker 2: I guess so.

01:05:42
Speaker 1: Really teammates, There's never been two teammate running backs that have scored more touchdowns then Gibbs and Montgomery.

01:05:49
Speaker 2: Big game for Montgomery, they were playing up. I guess he's from Cincinnati, means a lot to him, he's got some family stuff going on there and it was his first time ever playing a game in Cincinnati.

01:05:58
Speaker 1: How is they shocking statistic to me? I'll tell you what else is shocking. I mean, you went into the year, you probably said the AFC North is going to be the best division in football, right, Ravens super Bowl contenders, Bengals, great Steelers will be competitive, and maybe the Browns will be competitive. Instead they are one in six. In the last two weeks you have the Steelers are three and one. Then you got one and four for the Ravens, one and four for Cleveland and two and three for Cincinnati.

01:06:28
Speaker 2: What a bust of the division. Absolutely shocking. I think I would have had it completely flip. I thought the Steelers weren't even gonna be good. Obviously we all thought the Ravens would be good. But to sit here and talk about Baltimore being one and four, leave aside Lamar are not playing today and having the hamstring. Just saying Ravens one and four out loud and what we thought they'd be is nuts at this point. Yeah, well, good day of football. Thank you folks very much for listening. We should have Collins Eric Collins next week. Hopefully go ahead and.

01:06:59
Speaker 1: Say we're booking dot Downtell also shout out to the host of the uh the Carolina Panthers podcast, mew Mix.

01:07:11
Speaker 2: Yeah for Max for Mix.

01:07:14
Speaker 1: Mew Mix, who has ended their reign. Did you see they've doubled their social media followers since announcing they were ending. I think they got to come back.

01:07:23
Speaker 2: And then they win today and then they win.

01:07:25
Speaker 1: Don't you have to have a special edition of mew Mix.

01:07:28
Speaker 2: I think they have to drop like their comeback episode.

01:07:31
Speaker 3: Now they got jobs.

01:07:34
Speaker 2: What's their job?

01:07:34
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's what their excuse was. They got jobs?

01:07:39
Speaker 2: Can possibly talking about the Panthers with the job?

01:07:42
Speaker 1: I have a job, so uh But but listen, it was a great run for mew Mix. Uh and I hope whatever your next gig is will be as good as the mew Mix. We will per one out for you.

01:07:55
Speaker 2: That's right, We'll see you later.

01:08:04
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