#288 - Jordan Davis (In-Studio) On Not Wanting His Beard To Define Him + How Much Hannah Brown Charged To Be In His Music Video + Bru on The Radio on 3 Million TikTok Followers and How Much He Made From 1 Video!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode of the Bobby Cast where things happening on this episode include we will talk to Jordan Davis, old buddy Jordan Davis, who's got some hits and we'll catch up with them. I haven't seen in a while since he shaved his beard off, but he still got his beard. All the news was Jordan Davis shaves his beard. He had a long beard, but he still got a beard. You should have been Jordan Davis. Trim's is beard? Trimmed the beard. That should have been the headline. So it shouldn't have even been a headline to be good to talk to Jordan again. Also brew who it's big on TikTok's got three million plus followers. He was a radio guy in Detroit, now he's a radio guy in l A. And that story I learned as we were going. I can't believe that his follower account jumped that rapidly. I mean he went from being a dude doing nights in Detroit to three million and uh an l a job in four months. This shows you how rapidly that thing can grow. So it was go to catch up with him. What do we learn from that? I mean, how fast you can grow at TikTok fast. It is if you just find you're a kind of specialty, find your thing and stick with it and just like that. Yeah, pretty wild, wild story. So that's happening. As we get started here, let's do the top five things I'm looking forward to this week at number five. I don't know this kid, this TikTok or Andrew Janikos yet, but some of my friends because I was his name yet, and I'm sure once he's a big star, this will come back to hunt me. Like the time before I knew Maren, it was like, what's her name? Martin Moore? Well he started on the Voice, okay, and then he's on TikTok a lot. Do you think I've seen him on TikTok probably before you page. I heard his name before I saw him on TikTok and then went back on TikTok Okay. Well, he's got a new song out called Wine Country. Here You Go Country. Justin Moore has a new song called she Ain't Mine No More. At number four. Speaking of Marien Morris, Taylor Swift released a new song called You All Over Me and Maren sings background vocals on the song. It's the first song from her from the Vault series. Here you Go, Gods to a waste time, lost years, swooth it, I get out of here, but Norman Freedom gets you clean. I'm still good you are. At number two, Maddie and Tay released a new song called Woman You Got Save Me. Know you love me, love that you love me, Know you know me that if I'm only I'm gonna drive her getting true this fine and my safer ever when it comes to loving you, I'm Mello Gonna Star and the cattle Woman. They were guests on my once a month twitch talk show that we do here at the house, actually in the room next to this room. We do that and I was good and that will be released next week on audio, So we'll put that here in Maddie and Taylor a guest IoT was good. I wonder how the the jinga is gonna come across on just a podcast for there's still an interview happening during it, so yeah, kind of the audio element that would be interesting. But that'll be out next week. We can finally release that. And number one. Caitlin Smith released an acoustic version of her album Supernova. Here is a new version of her song I Can't just Avaikinakind and honorable mention. Carry Underwood released her new gospel album My Savior. Here's a new song, her version of Amazing gracesing eight, How Sweet So. Marty Stewart's releasing a new digital album, Songs I Sing in the Dark, will feature twenty songs, with Marty sharing one song each month. The first one is out I'll play for you here is ready for the times to get better? Well, I've got to tell you, I've been racking my brain open to find well, there's been too much this continual ring change is coming who Brandon Lambert released another new song from the Marfa Tapes. It's called am I Right? Or Amaillo. Georgia Webster has a new song called Pushing Pool. Ashley McBride has a new song out called Shut Up Sheila. Julia Michaels has a new song called All Your Exes. As far as albums go, K Golden's Got One A j R. Evanescence. Thomas Retz on a roll. What's Your Country Song is now his seventeenth number one on the Billboard Hot Country Songs Chart. It's the eleventh number one and a country airplay chart here you go. Nobody has more consecutive number ones on that chart than him. Turn it up a little bit, Fill me with still Kid. Taniel Arts is making chart news. Her debut single, Somebody Like That, has finally cracked the top ten on the Country Airplay Chart. It took her fifty eight weeks to get there, and that's at the record for the longest climb up to the top ten for a solo female artist. Do we know the overall record is Travis Denny still own that? Yeah? If this song goes number one, it could beat it. Yeah, and I hope they're sticking with it. I'm not sure. Sometimes they go this as far as we can get and they give up. I think he's sixty four. If they hang on, they could beat that. So congratulations to her. Did we ever repost the Tini Arts interview? We should do that like Sunday or Monday. Let's let this live its life and then repost it. I'll do a new intro for it because we have one. What's her before? That song really hit back? Just came out back when I lived in the other place. Luke Combs has been busy working on a third album and in case you're worried that it might suck. He said, album three is gonna be real good. It We never thought I was gonna stuck anyway. In the music industry had its best years since two thousand two. The industry brought in twenty one point six billion dollars, the highest figure since two thousand two. Overall revenue increased by seven four seven point four percent, led by superstar acts. This is just um streaming for the most part, right because I mean shows. But they figured out I wait to make a lot of money streaming. I don't think they haven't. Maddie, Maddie and Tay are CMA ambassadors. I burped out some soup ahead well, which is gross. But I'll tell you what happened over the house a few minutes ago. Is that before I came home from work and we didn't get home to almost one o'clock today, Caitlin said, Hey, I made some soup for lunch. She's gonna be gone tomorrow, said you need it for lunch tomorrow as well. I said, great. I don't know if she'd eating or not. So the soup is on the stove, and so I had my soup and left it out, but come home and eat and she didn't. She would come off for like four hours and she was like, hey, the Super still out. I was like, yeah, don't you want any but we have for dinner. She was like, you can't leave Super out for four hours. I was like, not even on the stove. Stove wasn't on, Like no, it's not a dump out A bunch of soup and I have no lunch tomorrow anyway, Maddie and teor seam ambassadors. Uh. An autographed jay Z trading card sold for a hundred and five thousand dollars, which is crazy. Dang, I'm looking at it now, the signs of stardom. Car Are you thinking about buying any n f T s. I mean, I don't know. I really don't get him. Still, I wouldn't have a reason to have them. Basically, you own a serial number, yep, But what does that serial number attach itself to. Usually like a cool something cool, cool image, digital art, a moment, it's digital. Everything's digital. It's it's bitcoin, but just a piece of art some sorts. Or I saw one guy bought a virtual house, so he owns like a house but can't live in it. It's an n f T how much did that cost? It was like half a million dollars. I say, I don't get that. All right, well, there's your headlines, there's your new music. Jordan Davis coming up. We should sell. This whole episode is an f T brew on the radio. Thank you guys for hanging out all right here with Jordan Davis. What's up in what's going on? Man? Good to see you. I was talking about your beard earlier and I read the headline that Jordan Davis shaved beard. I don't And it was a big headline. I don't think that's the headline. I think it's Jordan Davis trim's beard. And secondly, I don't think that's a headline. I agree. I was actually I knew the second that they like sent over me to get copy on the photo. They we're gonna post and say like Jordan Davis trimp like shaves his beard. And I was like, guys, we if you don't pull out a razor, you can't go shave. I thought you were gonna be naked faced. Oh dude, I can't pull that off. I don't think anybody like, do you look like your brother when you shave your face? Like I'm just trying to imagine what you look like, because I've only ever known you with a beard. I looked very much like Jacob Old you older or younger. I'm two years younger to the day he was to two years in a day. He moved here first, or do you guys to come together now? He moved in two thousand ten. I moved in two dozens. Well, so what does he tell you, because you're trying to make that decision as well, what does he kind of tell you from his two years because he was a baby here as well? After two years? But what does he say to you as a little brother? Well, he actually like he was. But he signed a pub deal quick, so he was writing songs. I think he signed within six months moving to Nashville. Uh so. I remember what was funny is he was going to a listening room around when it was at the Old Spot, and he was going to see Travis Meadows at a writer's room. And he called me one morning and I've been sending songs back and forth to him for probably a year, like the first year him moving to Nashville. Were you riding down Louisiana, Yeah, but I was still in Baton Rouge, and I sent him a couple of songs and he called me one night and he was like, hey, dude, I'm going to see this great songwriter. Uh check him out. And I think he was either like kind of critiquing me on a song I sent him or something. And so the whole time that night I just sat in my apartment in bent Ridge and I was like, I'm down here, about to go to bed because I was cutting grass at the time. I have to wake up at five am to go start slinging a weed eater. And I was like, or I could be in Nashville, probably find a job cutting grass, doing the exact same thing I'm doing here, but being in town writes songs. And that was the night where I was like, all right, I'm gonna move to Nashville. So, I mean he was he was very He never pushed me to move to town, but he was kind of like, hey, man, you can keep sending me songs all you want, but if you want these songs to legitimately get heard, you gotta move to town. How old are you then, two twelve thirty three? Now? Uh? Oh man, I gotta do math. I don't know. I was mid twenties, so you weren't eighteen years old? Was behind the game? I was a late start. So then what was it for you as far as what do you think you were going to do when you were twenty two? Still working? Like? What was the what was the goal? Did you think somehow you were just gonna play music locally? What was the deal? No? I wasn't even playing like I wasn't even playing band shows. Um. I mean, my if it had gone the way I would have thought it had gone when I went to college, I would have been working for an on gas company in New Orleans, going back to my hometown to Streeport and or you know, found something in the environmental field. Um. You know, because I was a big boom at the time. Um, so i'd have been doing something one gas. I would have been writing songs, like you know we I've always written songs, but I don't think I would have ever seen it professionally. So when did you start playing guitar then? Or singing or either? I mean I started writing songs. I was probably ten years old, ten of eleven. Did you do it with a guitar? Yeah? And who in your family played music to make you want to play music. That was my dad. My dad was the first one that like got me my first guitar. Uh. You know, my uncle is a songwriter in town and had a bunch of success in the nineties. Who's your uncle, Stam Paul Davis? So you have family here other than your brother. Yeah, So did you reach out to your uncle and go, I'm trying to like what do I do? Yeah? I mean, like, you know, he's kind of out of it now. I mean he's still rites, but like isn't really hitting it every day trying to get cuts. He kind of, you know, enjoys not having to do that every day. Now he write any big ones. Yeah, he's got a better Man Better Off from Tracy Lawrence there. Why are you surprised that we know we're doing you know? I mean I figured I was like, I know, I knew you knew this, but I thought we were doing this for the b the podcast we are Yeah, go ahead, So yeah, I was a better Man, better Off And today's only four. I'm being curious for my people who are listening. Yeah, so that was a Yeah, that was uncle stand and he actually had another one. Now if y'all had this one cued up, this is this is a real deal. He had one called Rubb a dobbin by Ken Mellon's. I wish I could see Bobby's faces. I like telling you, She's like, oh, we got it. Oh we got it, dude. Yeah, there it is. She's just the next X and I all used to you know, I get the credit but also get hated on for my position in country music, which is I have a lot of influences outside of country music, but I'm also I consider myself one of the younger historians at the same time, so of course I know all that stuff. You know, No, I mean that was like getting to drive around. I still remember we were driving too, so all my dad's families from you know, Mississippi Delta area, and we would drive in the first time I heard Today's Only Fool on the radio outside of like my hometown, I remember just being like, God, that's the coolest thing ever, Like Uncle Stan wrote that, like, um so, I mean that was the first kind of domino for me and Jacob to be like, well, I think just getting to see it as a profession and get to see somebody having success, um in what is a really tough business. Did you guys ever do some stuff together. You and Jacob as the kids staying together, Ever them were staying together? Does school talent shows. I never played a full band show before I moved in Nashville signed, I mean, I sign my record do. I'd played three shows and the only reason why I played those three shows because I thought I might get a record deal. So you move here thinking you just want to write songs, because it doesn't sound like you have this history of putting together a bunch of friends and making a band and performing in front of bowling alleys or anything like that, which a lot of folks do who know that that's what they want to do. So you move here up on your brother saying hey, you're gonna do what you gotta be here. And I tell people all the time too, you know, I'll meet people and say, hey, like you know what I want to do on the stay in Georgia. Or even Gabby Barrett when she before she moved here, I worked on American Idol and after the show was over, she didn't win, but she was coming back and forth from Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, and I was like, you have to move here, like I know you think you can fly back and forth, and she's like, well, Luke told me I didn't happen. Say well, Luke has a hundred million dollars. Luke can make it. Luke can get by wherever he's at look and live in Cambo and be fine. Right now, I said, but you have to be here because all of these rights that may pop up. Yeah, these shows, these meetings, and I think to one of the biggest things for me is like even me sending songs from Baton Rouge, I'm thinking that. I'm like, you know, I send my song to Jacob he plays for somebody, and they come and said, yeah, this is good. So I'm like, oh, well, this will be easy. If Jacob signed a deal, within six months, I'll moved to town. This would be a walk in the park. I'll get a publishing deal, maybe not that fast, but not long after that. And then you get to town and you sit down with either guys that were at Belmont. I've always told this story when my first rite was Ryan Hurt and I sit down with Ryan and I'm like, oh, this guy is really good, Like this guy is a lot better than I am. And at the time Ryan didn't have a publish and deal either. So I'm trying to get the exact same thing he's trying to get, and he is light years beyond me as a songwriter, and just being in town and kind of sharpening that skill every day. I think that would be like, that's like you when you're talking to somebody and say you gotta be in Nashville. That's my thing. To them, it's like you gotta be here doing it every day because you probably don't see how much better you can get as a songwriter until you come and sit down with Tom Douglas or Jaren Johnston or somebody like that, and iron sharp as iron exactly. M hm. Well, so what about Ryan, who I'm pretty close with as a human. I mean I never read right with them because I don't write, you know, not like that anyway? What about him as a writer? Especially early on, we like, dang, theres good? Like what was it? What the Ryan Herd sit down? Like? So I remember that first that first right, just being like all right, he heard some demos from him. I was like, man, this isn't really cool, like you've got some great songs? Uh. I think it was just the immediate critiques on Like I was like hey, you know, throw something out like, hey man, why don't why don't we say something about I don't know. I'm trying to go back to like two thousand and twelve. Jordan was like, you know, your blond hair falling in a sunset something, and I remember Ryan being like, ah, it's been said, like we could do better than that. I vividly remember him saying, oh, we can do better than that. Just having somebody to be like, hey man, that's you know, that's easy, and we could probably when you say that, but we could probably say something a little bit better as well. I'll play a few of your number one's real quick. For those new to the Davis game, here is slow dancing a parking lot number one. Here is take it from me, Take it from me. If you want a T shirt, just leave. And here is singles you Out. He have a singles you up, but he sa have a stupid I'm gonna be the first one I'm calling you, which leads me to almost maybe. As we record this and it's a number fifteen, it's been on the chart for thirty six weeks. At what point? And here's a little bit of almost maybe he's real quick? Friend, I think we need to talk and it ain't need So at what point do you really start watching the charts? About right now when it starts to creep top ten and you kind of see if it as when it hard to be number one? Um, I really don't, like, you know, leading up to that, like, I try not to pay too close attention to it, um, just because I feel like you can drive yourself crazy, especially in the forties and thirties, Yeah, which is kind of no man's land and everybody's slugging. You may drop a hundred spends one week and go up to and that will drive you bersar. I mean, it's uh, I really try not to pay even now, Like even when I say, like I start paying attention to it, I still kind of try to keep distance from it. Um. But I mean, you know, I mean I moved to town to have songs played on the radio, and number ones are awesome, like uh, you know, not even just for like the past ones. They've been first, they were first for my brother there, first for Lonnie who wrote slow Dance with you know this one. Hilary Lindsay and Jesse are doing just fine as ares number one. But but you know, I mean it's still there's a huge radio team behind it that works really hard at those songs, and um, you know you you want that for them as well. You had Hannah Brown in the music video for Almost Maybe I have friends there artists. I'm gonna try to keep this as generic as possible that have hired people to be in videos. Someone went and grabbed someone, will say, from the early two thousands to be in a video on cost like fifteen thou dollars or so. She flew over to the whole thing. Is that what you had to do with Hannah or did you just ask and she did it? I ask and she never asked for dum you'd had to pair ten or anything like that. Not a dum. I was actually I was just as surprised as you were. I'm shocked, Like I do you know her? Well? I met her when she was on Dance with the Stars, um so, I guess I was a couple of years ago. But whenever she hosted the c M as, when that CEM or the a c M S one of them, she was there. And I was one of the first ones, like presenting, not hosting, like yeah uh, and I was one of the first ones on the red carpet and Hannah was just there by herself. So I went over and told her I was a fan and it was Lauren's season and uh, I remember I told her, was like, hey, I'm pulling for you and dancing with stars and she was like, no, you're not yell are all cheering for Lauren? You don't have to act like you are, and which I was, Lauren, Sorry, but but I just said hello to her and she told me she was a fan of like an album song of mine. So she literally knew a song that wasn't a single. It wasn't a single, and you approached her without her seeing you in googling and going, let me find something to say real quick. That may have been what she did. I don't know. No, I mean I know I knew what she I k know who she was. No, No, no, what I'm saying. Did she see you coming? I don't think she would have had time that That was my question? She have seen you? Someone said, that's Jordan Davis got on her phone, picked a song out or do you believe her? No? I believe her because she's because she threw out Lee New Orleans and threw a line out from the song I believe it so like and I was like, oh, wow, she really is a fan. That's awesome. So I had a conversation with her, just stay in touch with her through Instagram. And then when it came time to start brainstorming for Almost Maybe his video, I was like, Hannah would be perfect for this very public dating life. UM obviously has already had a few close calls uh and I seriously center d M. I was like, Hannah, would you want to be in the video? And she got back to me like super fast. I was. I was shocked. Where we shot it? Here in town in Nashville. I'd like a studio, So did you fly her in, put on a nice hotel all that? Yeah, we did that. But as far as like her fee to be in the video, nothing never asked for. That's crazy. She's awesome, that's great. The story was that you shaved your beard for the Almost Maybe music video? Is that right? Why? The first So I went back to like one of the first lines in the song is uh, I had and say we were done in a batter rage college bar Patrick Tracy directed the video. Great guy, great director, and he was like, man, what if we recreate that bar, the Boghies Bar, So we reached out to the bar and bow At Boghies and Battern Ridge. They let us basically repaint the front of the bar, so it's in the video and it kind of zooms out comes in. You see Bogies comes in through the front door, and the shade beard was supposed to be me College Jordan's because I did have a beer, but it wasn't near what it was So I was like, well, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna go back to College Jordan's. I had like this like pearl snap, like what I was wearing when I was at L s U and UM. And then also too you kind of explained like this cool scene of me leaving the bar and then walking through this like almost like portal into the next scene where then all of a sudden, my beard just like reappears. It's actually one of my favorite scenes from the video. So that had me hooked on it. And I'm not gonna ask you a bunch of beard stuff because I feel like that's probably why you shave the beard, because everywhere you went it was just for me. It would get on the nerves a lot of beard questions all the time, it would be beer beard, beard beard. But because you did shave it, That's what I'm gonna ask, Like, did you shave it because you felt like you were becoming a character of yourself? I could, Honestly, I did get tired of beard questions. I would. I did feel like there was times when we probably could have been talking about some songs, could have been talking about music, and it goes back to the beard. Um, you know. I mean it's kind of part of having a big beard. I kind of knew that going into it, but you know, at some point I definitely wanted to come back to the music I'm making and and not necessarily about the facial hair I have. I mean, you want to have something that separates you, but you don't want to have something that people only know you for that And it's a very fine line to walk. But good thing the have hits, because now you can shave the beard. If you didn't have any hits, maybe a different story, be a totally new person, dude, I can tell you be Right after we right after I saved my beard, uh, I walked past a few people that are at my label at the video shoot and I had no clue who I was. The same thing with my glasses. I took off my glasses and walked into it into a work meeting, and my corporate bosses didn't They didn't even sa anything to me because they didn't know it was me, right, And like, I know, my glasses make me a bit of a character again, a character of myself. People draw me, they go right to the glasses. Um, But I don't feel like glasses are something that people hold on to as much as if you have a big beard or uh, you know, your ears completely gauged all the way around with a you know, there's some physical things. But I listen, I was glad to shave the beard because that's all people would be like, Hey, this guy's a big beard, right, Like yeah, but it's also the guy's got a bunch of the hongs. Yeah. I feel like I'm I'm making some pretty decent music as well. You're gonna do like three or four months of people talking about why you cut the beard, and then it's not gonna be a thing anymore. You've you've managed to transition from being noticed and people who know you let's talk about your beard. You have something to talk about that's always good as a new artist to having hits, shaving it. Oh, hey, you lost your beard too, I won't even be brought up anymore now the beard is just like, oh you should totally big league people going before an interview. Hey, I'm not talking about my beer, don't ask, don't even. It almost got the point, like like tail end of like radio tour. It was kind of like, hey, you know, you don't get a ton of time with some of these news stations. So if we spend if we get two minutes and we spend a minute and a half talking about the hair that's on my face, like and we always talk thirty seconds about the song that's coming out, are we really are we making any headway here? People do remember you for it, though, as somebody knew you do. I think it worked that you made the right move cutting it. Now. What's the like? Growing up is the middle kid? Uh? I mean I was. I guess my mom would tell you that I was a little more rambunctious than my older brother. You a little wilder. Yeah, I definitely had. It was a little more of a pain. Uh high school years. Um, I guess because maybe I got smarter from watching Jacob get caught on some stuff. I just don't see you as a very rowdy guy. Now. No, I'm pretty chill now, I definitely don't like. Yeah, I kind of calmed down. But do you ever feel forgotten as the middle kid? Because you know the joke is the first kid you take, you have to whoop him. Yeah, let's say have three boys, second kid, you forget his name, third kid. They didn't do anything wrong. Ever, I never felt for I think mainly me and Jacob were so close in age. So I do have a sister that's five years younger than me, but she would obviously say she probably felt forgotten. She's the only girl five years younger. And me and Jacob were so tight that like, where one went, the other was right there. So like most of the time, if I was getting into trouble or Jacob was getting into trouble, we weren't too far away, and we kind of hung around the same group of friends. Um, So like, I never I never got the forgotten, never felt forgotten. Really, you have an environmental science degree, you mentioned earlier you thought it might go work with something in the environment or oil and gas, Like, what do you learn when you get an environmental science degree. So we did a lot of like soul chemistry, horticulture. One of the my kind of specialty was resource conservation. So you know Louisiana down South Louisiana losing a bunch of land. You know, erosion, that kind of thing is a major problem. So that was kind of my ideal maybe going for that. Money wise, I wanted to get a job as like a health and safety officer and like old rig working for some bowl and gas company. That was like the highest paying job for my degree at the time. Did that mean you had to go and actually live on a rig for a month at a time or so. Yeah, if you're off shore, that's tough. Yeah, it had been. It had been rough. I wouldn't have been like the roughnecks, like the guys like slinging chains and stuff, but I would have probably been the most hated. I don't think there's a more hated person on a l rig than the guy that runs around and tells people what they can't do. I mean, it's the hr person in the office. Basically, it's that's what that job, doesn't your Toby. Yeah, you have to have them, but you hate to have to deal with them exactly. Yeah. I think Jordan is up there with Matt stell Is, you know, two of the smarter guys that we talked to. Like what what Matt played ball and cause didn't he? Yeah, but Matt was not saying that if you play ball, you don't you can't be smart. That was gonna go to Harvard with the medical he got no way. Yeah he's that smart. Yeah, he's extremely smart. And he's so he's shockingly smart because we'll hang out, we'll play basketball in the back or him and I've gone to Arkansas to watch games and stuff. So Matt and I are low key friends, and I like to feel like I'm a pretty bright guy. And you're like, oh, here's this guy's kind of growing out of mullet, kind of goofy singer. But it's the exact opposite. He's like actually in twelve whenever and you're like, what the here? And so I did not know he was like Harvard level, Like was, yeah, I believe he was going to go to medical school at Harvard, right, I believe he has his master's goodness gracious, and he's singing songs. Hey, he's great at it and he's singing songs. Dude, that's taking your dreams right there. So so far we're creating the Mount Rushmore. Smart. Yeah, smart artist. You have to have at least a number one to be on this Mount Rushmore. Okay, so it can't just be some smart guy that's in town trying to make it. But so far we've get stelling Jordan on there. Dude. I love that. Yeah, we'll keep track. That just made my day right there. Did you make more money writing songs your first year of your publishing deal or tending bar? Tending bar? Like long shot, I took a huge pay cut when I saw my first pub deal. Are you trying to do both at the same time? No, I hung up the bar. I was so ready to get out of bartending, like I did it all through college four years after moving to Nashville, like I was taking the and I almost took a worse deal than the one I first signed to find a worst deal financially, financially, financially and probably like down the road, like ownership wise of like I could have seen me like now going back and looking at it, I could have been in like a really bad spot when it came to getting out of it, uh, which is one thing that like, you know, kind of going back to what we were talking about, like people moving in town. I don't know if it happens much anymore. I feel like lawyers are kind of sharpening, you know, getting that side kind of more nailed down. But I would say to people come to like, don't just sign a deal so you can call your friends and say, hey, I signed a pub deal. Like as much as it's not fun to continue a side job making sure you're at the right spot, um and having a bartend two or three nights a week, but still being able to write songs and maybe making grand a year on that, um, I would I would definitely do that. But yeah, I took a I mean I had a pretty good bar gig here in town. Where don't you working? Were you working out of town like a little bit Donaldson? Yeah, this place called ellen Dale's. But I mean it was great. It was a great spot. Was right by the airport, so we had like a lot of like trapped like business people come in. So like I was doing pretty well. But yeah, I mean I think my first pub deal was like twenty grand a year. Who is when you come when you came to town. You know, you're you're new and you're meeting other new and newish people. It's kind of your class. Who was in your class? I mean I always you know, say, Ryan Uh, Matt McGinn, Jamison Rodgers, Um, those are some of the guys that I feel like you're you know, obviously Ryan and Jamison are doing well and got their own music out, But yeah, it was kind of those. Those were the staples that I like continuously wrote with and still right with today. Who was looking back at like writers rounds? You were doing it because I'm assuming as a songwriter and then being a performer. You hopped in some of these listening rooms, these uber random places. Did you ever get on one and somebody really freaking cool was on with you and You're just like, wow, it's crazy. My first ever writer's round was Josh Dore. At the time, he had just signed a record deal with Sony. Uh girl name Elease Hayes who is amazing singer, song amazing, and Carly Carly Pierce. It was my first ever time I played guitar with a microphone to a crowd, and I'm sitting next to Carly Pierce and she's just crushing it and um so that was like I still kind of go back to thinking, like, goodness, gracious, we all did pretty that round did pretty taps and tap as the old spot over in Bell Court. Uh. That was. That was probably one of the more successful rounds I was on early did a lot of them where I don't know where anybody's at that played on them. I know a lease from I took Carly out with me. I did about four months doing stand up, but Carly was the opener for me. We just did to music and then I would go on. But at least played keys for Carly and I always thought at least was so good. She's awesome, like one of my still one of my favorite songwriters in town. I always told her. I was like, it's just a matter of time, like and she's still like I mean, she's still writing amazing music. But yeah, I totally forgot that she was out with Carle for a long time playing keys. I mean that's how I met her. Was Carley opening for me every night and at least was there, and I was just blown away. At the least I was like, dang, your wife still attorney? What work? What is she attorneying. She's putting bad guys away corporate even worse guys. It's yea, even worse. Today's our anniversary. You mean that's nice? Thanks for remembering. Man. Now it's you and your wife's anniversary and you're hearing me. You guys do anything tonight. Yeah, we're gonna go eat tonight. We're gonna try to go eat to Caitlin, my fiance and I. But wait, is it really your anniversary? No? No, but I'm saying we're just gonna go eat. That's the way. We don't get We're hardly ever in town anymore, so we're here. We get to go eat. But it's like a storm is coming in, although it's not gonna hit as bad as they thought it would. But where do we go eat on a storm? Where are you going on a storm night? I think I'll be honestly, I can't. Joseph, what's the spot at the top of the Joseph Hotel. It's like an Italian spot. I don't know what that. No, it's it's not the top o Caitlin took me. It's the Italian place. Yeah, so this is our first time going there. It's great, it's very expensive there. I mean, I guess if you can, like, if we're gonna go out and do big on that. We don't go out very often, but we went. She was like, we got to go to this place and taking her out. She goes on these We shot for sixteen weeks, my nat GEO show that comes out on that we'll see, we'll see how it does. Right, Like, I'm pumped that's happening. But she would go out and we would go to small towns. We'd be in Ester's Ville, Iowa. We'd be and she would just be in these old dirty hotel rooms, just sucking it up, taking you know, helping me doing her working. You know, she's she's in tech and so she's like no WiFi, coding, talking to people in other countries. Then you go out on set and help me do my I'm climbing towers and all kinds of crap. And then we come back and I was like, whatever you want to do with gonna do it wherever you want. I owe it to you. That's what I mean. And she but like, yeah, she's and she's look super busy right now. This is like her busy time of the year. And m but I mean it's crazy. She loves it. Like, if you were to sit and look at what she does every day, it would drive you mad. Like is it a lot of contract contracts NonStop? She loves it, loves it, loves it. Like doesn't shocking that? Like, And we've even had the conversation of like, do you want to like keep we got a young one now. I was like, do you really want to or at least working as much as you are now? But she like seriously loves reading these contracts. You know, I really even know what she does. I mean, I guess she fixes them or looks for errors, but I mean she's I mean she devoted a lot of her school into that and a lot of her life to being an attorney, and uh, you know she made a partner, which is like a huge goal for so, like it's kind of tough. You know, it's tough if you get something done and you don't want to just hang it up. Can we take Jordan off the Mount Rushmore and put his wife? If there's any Davis that needs to be on it, it needs to be Kristen. Yeah, for sure, you know with with Caitlin and I'm like, hey, oh you quite your job, you know, because she just like, why don't you quite your job? You don't need it? Like we're gonna get married, I'll carry on the load. She has this she she wants to have, you know, some what she feels like it's worth and you know what's happening here. And I'm like, hey, you can have a lot of work. I have like ninety four people they're doing jobs. You can do all those because you're great at being smart, have smart people to do different jobs. But isn't that kind of awesome? Like don't you like isn't it like that's one of my favorite things about Kristen and I probably the same thing for you with Caitlin. Like just the drive. I hope I don't have that. I don't have that. I don't have the drive that Kristen has. I'll tell you like right now, Like when she puts her mind to something, it's it's get out of the way, I'm gonna get it done, And I mean I do. That's one of my my favorite traits about her. And it's not just work, it's really you know, it's any It's just I don't know, I think it's awesome. Do you put your kids on Instagram. Yeah, she's she's on it a lot. Did you guys have that conversation at all? Yeah, I mean really just you know, after kind of seeing Ryan and Maren, um, you know, you kind of just weighed like is this the right thing to do? Like should we do this? Um? But she was fine with it. You know, I'm fine with it, mainly because you know, well, hey, I'm not Mary Morris. I'm not I don't have two million people that are at my fingertips every time I make a move, which is tough. Uh. But yeah, we kind of had that conversation, but it wasn't know she was she was totally fine with it. I was fine with it. Did your wife make you go on walks? Yeah? Yeah, I'm in the middle of that too. I'm just not a walker. Do you all take the dog? Yeah? Might as well, right, She Calyn loves to go on hikes, take the dogs on dog hikes. We don't do hikes. We do like we'll take Eloise like around the block. That's always my you know, compromise. Why don't we take Stanley and Eller and walk around the block. And we'll do that sometimes. But she likes to get in go to Radner find a parking spot. Luckily we have an electric cars, we can park up front and there's no parking at all. Sometimes there's no parking even if you have an electric and so then we walk. But I should be better at that, I see, I would feel like you would be like I was, just like as I'm like racking my brain now. But like anniversary stuff, I bet you're a good gift giver best, Like it's my love language. No one's gonna out not just buy something for the sake of buying it, but it's gonna be thoughtful. It's gonna be thoughtful and you're not even gonna know you needed it, but you're gonna need it and you're gonna love it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the best, That's what. That's a I I think I'm good at I'm terrible at it. Why I guess because I just I don't know. I like, I guess I'm terrible. Was because I don't work at it. What you feel like, I feel like, I see, Bobby, just like, just get better better put the work. Well it does, it's just a little work. What's the what's your love language for you? Getting? What do you need to get? Words of affirmation and what is the love language that you give? Uh, physical touch? And what does your wife like as her getting hers are gifts? Yeah, minor gifts too, And I feel so selfish that minds gifts. I like to give gifts. I like to get gifts. Well that's that evens it out then, But the get gifts makes me feel very selfish. I'm like, I need to feel a lot of need prizes or like if you know, if somebody gets you a gift, it's like not near as good as like, like, do you ever like critique? Again? I do, especially from people that I'm very close to. The should have done better. I don't care how much you spam, but how much thought did you put into it? You know? And if you have money then you should spend so a little bit on me too, A little bit absolutely. Yeah. So it's only like four or five people that I judge like that, but I do because I go, I put so much time into yours. Is Caitlyn Gooding giving gifts? Yeah, she's she's I would say a A, I'm a plus she's Okay, that's not bad. I think she had to elevate her game a little bit because giving gifts although she doesn't it's very generous. That's not her love language to do. She's had to learn to do mine more and I've had to learn to do hers, which is words of affirmation. Have you known that for a while or is that just like when you'all mine or are just the whole love language saying? I did not know that existed until I met Kristen. I think Amy, my co host, was the one a few years ago that was, Hey, you need to figure out what your love languages so you can communicate that because when people are giving you a different kind of love and you're not feeling love, it's just their communications not getting to you, Like they're trying to reach you, but you're not there. But you need to find out you need to teach them where to reach you, how to reach you. And that was a good lesson for me and I did no. I mean, I kind of like look back now and you can like look at the past relationship has been like oh wait, now I know why. That probably flew off the rails, like totally different wavelengths, but we just never connected, which I'm glad because obviously I'm with Kristy now, but like, yeah, I never even knew about the love language until until Christians like, my love language is X and I'm like, oh, maybe I should figure that out. Did you guys do instagrams? Inniograms? Yeah, just since ore like counseling and stuff. I think I'm a I don't know. I don't want to say. I think I know what I am. Maybe a seven eight, which is very oh yeah, straightforward forward, you know. Um, and she's a two, which is the nurturer and luckily ours go well together. And think it's very selfish too and not for a lot of things. I'm just like, I gotta get this. I'm not worried about anything else. It's only me and my goal. Maybe it's like that. Maybe i'm a I feel like seven with an eight hinge might be what. I'm not sure if hinges the word, but I'm not wing Yeah yeah, wing like with that kind of So maybe that is like seven and eight. So we're probably what is she your wife? You know? I can't remember what she is. How do you feel about Drew Brees retiring? It hurt? I'm glad, I'm happy. Um, I'm very thankful for what he did to New Orleans. He's given me a lot of happy Sundays. So what s he won in Miami? Dude, that's awesome. Yeah, what a game. Ah, But man, I like, I just Drew is one of those players for me that him being out is going to change football for me. It's like when like Lebron is my uh like my like my passion rations MJ. So like when Lebron goes out of basketball, like it, I don't care who, I don't care the next talent that comes in, it's still not gonna be the same Manning was kind of like that when Peyton retired. Uh, Andrew's that same boat where it's just like, I don't know, it's just gonna be weird seeing somebody at quarterback for the Saints. How Louisiana are you when it comes to sports? Um eat up with it? Yeah because obviously I am Arkansas, like it's it's all I live and very very well aware of that. Yeah. I almost text you because I'll less you beat us in this tournament. Yeah you could if I don't care, let's I know. But I was like, man, but I know you're I mean you're you're a fan. Oh yeah, like you I'm dialed up, I know, So I know what the rotation is gonna be in eight guys are gonna play. I don't know. If I was like gonna like texting and all of a a sudden look at my calendar and see like, well, Bobby cast just went away, you wouldn't have the Only time I ever get irritator when people do that is if they're not really a fan and they're talking crap like I'm a die hard Arkansas fan. So let's say someone uncle went to Auburn and they didn't really care for Auburn, but Auburn beats it, and they're just like when you suck more Eagle, I mean, you're not even a real fan. Don't come over your talking. I hate that. But I think it felt like if we were to beat you guys, unlessen to where you guys already on the tournament, so good for you. We're not. We got a three. Hey, I was. I was shocked. I did not like. I did not think else she was even gonna get past first round. To be honest with you, I thought of the n C double a time. Yeah, I thought you sat same bottom might beat this. But now you guys had your two guards are so good. They're talented. Um so, But you could have texted me and said, hey, man, I got you this time. I would have been like, I'd have been like block, But then I still like you and I still liked you. Would you eat cinnamon toast crunch if there was a possibility that there were shrimp tails in it? Yeah? Have you seen the picture? Guy found shrimp tails in a cinnamon Talls crunch? Like really that was real life? Yeah? When did this happen? Four or five days? I mean, I love shrimp. That's crazy out of the box. Yes, And at first they were like, no, there's a clumps of sugar, and then he was like look, and then they're like, well, somebody, possibly in a factory could have contaminated. That's what I said to It's probably somebody playing a joke or putting some in a box. But it's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and sent him and I don't never be able to send him in touch again. No, I don't let that hurt you. It's the best serial there is. What's that what we kind of watch you out there? Is that? What is that? A Omega Speedmaster? That's a nice watch, the super nice Like they gave this to me. This is our tour gift. After the od tour and I walk on the bus, They're like, hey, man, give me this box that looks like it's it looks like a shoe box. And thinking back on it, I don't know why I did this. I was like, you guys, thank you us so much. I didn't even open it in front of them, like, which is kind of weird. I don't know. Sometimes I feel weird, like opening get so like. I take it back to the bus and I opened it up and I'm like, oh, this is a Speedmaster and they left the receipt at the bottom of it, and I was like, whoa, this is too much. I took it back to the bus. Trevor was on there. I was like, Trevor, I cannot take this, dude. This is crazy. So no, man was it's our tour gift to you. And I was like, goodness, gracious, I just got I think I just got him, like a all a bottle tequila. But you're the lower act one day. Yeah, when you got yours, you're turning the favor. Yeah you do. You're a lower guy, you know, turn it to them. You're turn the favor by getting right paid for. But I was blown away when I opened and saw this watch. It's it's it is awesome. But I mean it's a bunch of great guys, so it shouldn't sprite me. I've recently become a watch guy just because I felt like I needed something adult. I can only have so many hoodies. Isn't it funny? How like that first step of like, alright, I'm gonna make a purchase. Well, hey, they never lose this stuff, you know, they never lose their value. They're always gonna be uh but like if you check out some of the well you probably have you walked into watch stores in like l A or New York, Yes, like seven dollar watches, yes, And I don't have any of those obviously. Um I have a couple of really nice watches. When I finished breaking Bobby Bones, I bought myself really nice watch. Um I got another one last year for myself. I gave some nice watches to my crew I'm breaking Bobby Bones, especially the camera guys, because they were breaking their next getting to places that I was having to get to and I'm only gets all the credit. Right, Um, So I probably have six watches now that are fairly nice to nice. But I don't really know enough about them to be smart or to be educated to have a conversation with a watch person. I just know what I like. I can see it sowhere. So I go into this store in the mall the other day and we're gonna have a new hobby of watches a bit. I go into the store. It was the Brightling store in the mall here and I walking, I'm looking around. The guy was like, hey, man, UM like watches And I was like, yeah, kind of a a new new watch. Guys like what what size? Face? I don't have no idea And I was like, ah, man three and he was like do you mean a forty three or four? Like yeah, of course I had no idea what I was talking about. And then he kept going, well, so on your time piece, what you know what's the duration of? And I have not that's left. I love the store, he out he outclassed me with conversation. I was really looking at the watching. There's some nice watches in there, but I couldn't I couldn't take it. I could tell you what all I know is like this, like there's three other things on this watch that do something? Have no clue how to work on what they're even for. I just know this is the this is the Moonwatch. We're gonna rapid fire you real quick before we get out of here. We've done forty five minutes. Let's go Netflix, Wholu or Disney plus Netflix. I would say the same thing probably on the surface. I just don't get to Netflix very much any more now the office is gone. I was about to say, what do you have the other thing? Wat every night? Turn it on? Do you ever take a break from it? I don't. I don't need to because that's my safety blanket. I know what's going to happen, and I'm still entertained by I'm telling you, though, if you could take two weeks away from it, it's I don't know. You're one of the biggest Office fans on that, so it's just I know what's going to happen. Yet I still think it's funny. But when I fall asleep, I have to have the TV on and I don't have to follow along. I've had like three of those shows in my life. One was called The Honeymooners. Do you know what that is? It's an old black and white show from the sixties, obviously way before I was born born in the eighties, but I watched that with Ralph Crampton and then it was King of Queens. I used to watch that every night. Friends was in there for a bit. I watched Friends all day, all night. And now it's The Office and it's my safety blanket. Just never gets old. The only thing we're watching on Netflix right now is Last Chance You Basketball. It's great. I've just finished it, so we're not done yet. But we've watched We've seen every football season. Um, but Last Chance You Basketball pretty do a good job with that. Yeah, it's a good series. It's great. Chick fil Air, Popeyes, Friends of the Office, The Office, George Straighter, Garth Brooks, George Straight. Really, I knew that was gonna I knew I was gonna get a look up from Bobby on that. I think I'm a George guy man, and good for you. I mean, Amy's George Eddie and Amy or George Guys. I guess I'm the lone Garth Guy of us of us three, like my super close arcle, I'm the only Garth guy guards the greatest George's right, Do you have George up there? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, I mean I have I think they're equal in of everyone looking at them as because he's a guicon. But to me, Garth did things on a level that has had never been done and has since not been surpassed and gonna be tough to surpass. But without George there is no Guarth. And I also understand that how about what's worse laundry or dishes? Laundry? You passenger driver on road trip? Driver? At box or PS four or five? PlayStation? Do you ever play anything not a lot? Do you have one? I have a PS four, I've really stopped playing p I've got a PS five. I'm super cool, and I don't play anymore. I'd like I don't And I thought that when we came off the road that I would like really pick gaming up because we play on the road a lot, because I mean, you just have a ton of downtown. But yeah, I don't know. I just like and it's not even that I don't have time to do it. It's like it's kind of like lost its luster. To me, I think I just have less time to do it. You're pretty busy guy. I need to be less busy. That's what we're working on. And I would have working on. I mean, she's working front of me. She could not be any less interested in I'm not gonna say what I do, but the things that come with what I do, all right, Yeah, she's she's she's just like, I don't care, like she loves that I'm chasing a passion. I don't think it matters. If I was a veterinarian doing what I do now, I think she'd be right beside me regardless. But you know, I got bombed the a c M that told me I was going to host a show this year and then they kind of said they kind of pulled it back from me, and I'm not hosting it now. It's just kind of a whole situation. And I was pretty bummed about it. And she didn't come and you know, rest her head and go ah boo boo, it'd be okay. She was like, what's Yeah, that sucks, but let's look at what you do, like like, stop whining about something for a second, And so I could. It's the first person in my life that's ever been there, supportive in a loving way but also sometimes just slap me straight. Never had that, and I mean, you know, you being wired the way you are pretty great, but it's annoying now it's it's sometimes it's it's great, like a month later. I'm always so you gotta kind of look back on She's all She's always been right in retrospect, but I'm always so annoyed when it first happens. That was me and Chris, and whenever we've first got pulled off the road, I was like, which I was that playing? So she's like, oh, not here with me and your daughter. I was like, well, I mean like there's a there's a line to walk that but like, yeah, I mean it's that's good for Caitlin, though christ the same thing. Yeah, Well we have people that aren't in the industry right that have perspective, real life perspective, and I think that's valuable. Well, listen, it has stopped raining, So we're gonna end this so you can get to your truck, because it was freaking pouring and I was like, I wanted to look out there. I was. I was like, it was loud. It was loud, and it was pouring and it's gonna it's gonna pour again. So I'm gonna let you go so you cannot get wet because it looks like you have some fancy clothes on today. No, dude, Bobby, I appreciate you. Let me come and hang. No, man, it has that't seeing you in a while, and I saw your song was climbing up. And I'm sure once this thing gets up, I don't want to waste your shot on the radio show until you need it. Yeah, but I'm sure i'll see in a few weeks. I love to in the big studio too, but I always like these because we can sit down for close to an hour and actually pull stuff out and they're great. You do a great job with this. Be fair, fair, I'm fair of this. Maybe it's Mike, that's Oh, it's for sure, no doubt. Mike's the backbone of almost everything I do at this point, Like people give me all the credit. Remember Mike was doing stand up? Remember when I played fifteen minutes whenever? Bobby? Where when when I only played fifteen minutes in Kentucky? It wasn't sorry, it made like start that. It wasn't Louisville. It was like like a Lexington. I can't remember, Exach, what was that? Why did you only play fifteen minutes? That you were something? Break voice? No, no, no, no, no no. The night before, we were somewhere and we had like a twenty minutes set or something like that. I think I had thirty five minutes with you, and I just got I wrote the wrong set list, so I played this. I played all my songs. I walked off stage, and my guitar players like looking at me kind of weird, like is everything good? Man? You gotta remind me. I remember this playing in Kentucky. Maybe it was Owensboro, I don't know, somewhere not far from Nashville. And I walk off stage and everybody's kind of looking at me, like what are you doing? And I just go in the green room sit there. I was actually waiting for you to like come out. I was gonna holler at you. And you come in the green room, You're like, hey, dude, words the other ten minutes. Oh he didn't play that. You just had it scheduled it wrong, and I just like had it. I was like, oh, yeah, I guess I thought I was twenty minutes. And you're like I'm sorry. I'm like, yeah, that's funny. That's funny that I went out and did like ten extra minutes. So probably yeah, you actually had me back out halfway through your set, play a couple more songs. Look at me. I'm a good guy. Yeah, I see. I liked I like people like you that open. You have a lot of energy and most of your songs because I need a crowd to beat eyes up, like to have a good time. The best and the worst opener for me, and it was the best, but the worst for what I do. But I'd have right again was Tenniel Towns because she would come out and demolish people, just stabs you in and over again, making him cry, making him sad. And she's so good. But she's talking about songs when people are not guying in car crashes and how hard life is. And I'm on the daughter. Yeah, I'm on the side going it's beautiful. Okay, the crowds crying, and then I gotta spend the next fifteen minutes digging out of the hole just to get to even try. But what what a treat she is. Okay, we're done. Awesome. Jordan Davis, good to see you guys. Follow him on Instagram Jordan Davis Official. Are you on TikTok? You're doing that yet? Don't know? I am Jordan Davis Music. I think though, well, you've got all these different names. You got Jordans Official on Instagram, Jordan's seen, but you can you can TikTok, you can find me. I think he's Jordan Davis Music, Jordan's Maybe it's one of them. Don't get too excited that I'm not dancing. Do you have any blind So I'm doing something now. I just started a couple of days ago called Country Music gossip Boy, and to me it was just like gossip Girls. Funny. But I tell secrets that are happening in Nashville right now, but I don't say the names. For example, I told because I know this, so I'm not gonna reveal it right now. I won't even tell you because that's how much I locked down secrets to a list country stars that absolutely hate each other that almost came to blow side stage. This is pretty pandemic. But you would not know if you didn't know, so that was one of them. Number two is you know, I don't want you to guess either. Number two is what Nashville recording artists. We'll find a song to record from songwriters, change up one or two words, and then demand a third of the songwriting credit. I guarantee. I know both of those. I guarantee I know both of it, no doubt. I don't say we're not going to have that conversation, but that's what I do. I tell that that's great. So that's that's gonna be the thing for a little bit, all right. Jordan Davis, you guys follow him, great guy, great music. I think that your newest song almost maybe might be your best song too so far. Thank You sounds great on the radio, so it'll be fun playing in a show. Um there it is, all right, there we go, all right? All with us? Now? Is Josh brew Baker known as Brew on the radio? Hey, what do I call you? I call you Brewer, I call you Josh. All my friends just call me Brew, So go with that. It sounds good, all right man, Hey, good to talk to you, man. Congratulations on I just saw that you're now doing afternoons on AMP in Los Angeles. That's pretty recent. Huh Yeah, yesterday was my first day on air. So yep, just waking up from that out in Cali and it's like a dream. So it's been crazy the last couple of months. So you moved you you're out of Detroit in California now yep, yep, living in what's Hollywood right now, and I'm like the first person who's been able to go into the studios here. Obviously it's so locked down and all that, but uh, it's been really cool getting to be out here and with sun and everything. I mean, gosh, leaving in the winter in Detroit, it was a good time. It's really cool what you've done on TikTok. You have over three million followers, and I started to see some stuff when you would be like, hey, watch this, I'm gonna say this on the radio. I was like, that's funny. But then how would see other radio guys just being a little weird about it, being like, well that's nothing. And I was like, okay, well then you do it. Then if you think you're so smart, why don't you do a smart guy? And they couldn't. They couldn't do it, John, or Brew is my friend or now Brew, you're my friend. That's right. So when you start to have some success on TikTok and you can feel the people starting to like what you're doing, Like, what's what's happening in your mind? Are you like I'm onto something? Like I can turn this into a career, like what's happening there? Yeah, I mean I would have considered uh my career somewhat successful, you know, being in Detroit, like I was a city I always wanted to work in and stuff because I'm from there, and I was happy with everything, and TikTok just kind of took it to a whole new level. Like I know, I heard you talking on the pot about it, like you're hearing hate about it. I haven't hear any bad things, which was surprising. I know people talk, you know, my match and everything, but I only heard good things. And um, to be honest, TikTok was like a huge part in getting eyes on me out here in l A. And it's a big part of how I got this job. So it's been crazy and as far as you know, the TikTok success, it's such a weird app like you can grow so fast and so little time. Um. I started only like in November posting those things, and I got a million followers and that's kind of when I was like, okay, like this is nuts, and then four days later I hit two million, And it's just been kind of rolling ever since you went up. You went up a million in four days, just four days. It was like a TikTok I did about I think playing Whop. It was accidentally on the radio that one kind of pushed me over. I got a lot of you know, exposures, so you know what, Yeah, you make a good point there too. It's all about like eyeballs on you, and if you have a talent, it's how do you get eyeballs on you so you can show your talent? Um. We had to freaking rob a store on the airfort having to us, which I would never recommend, but for you it was you're good. But in the land of everybody being good at a lot of different things, you figured out how to get eyeballs to you to show that you were good. At what point did your company go, hey, we need to move you to a bigger spot because we now see you know actually what you bring to the company. Like when did this l a deal'll start to work itself out? Yeah. See I worked for a different radio company, and um that was kind of the issue, like there was nothing nothing really for me, or they didn't like react to it fast enough while all this other stuff was coming at me and I just wanted to destroy while Iron was hot and this was like a dream. I never thought l A would be like a possibility and other stuff that's in the works, and now TikTok's like a part of it, Like it's part of the career, you know, I'm able to collab and do different projects of that, and there's so many other opportunities out in l A that it was just like kind of a no brainer. So you love companies too. What what I don't I don't know a company work for, but what bone heads to let you go? Are you kidding me? Yeah? I know for for RUSS Radio people, Like it was even wilder, you know, like I didn't even have a contract out there. They didn't They never gave me one. So I just walked after my two weeks notice because I didn't have to you know, be restrained anything. So but you know, it's it's such a weird thing. Like I said, I wasn't known before TikTok, like I only had because were talking about how my other platforms you know, aren't is popping right now. It's like, like I said, this only started blowing up like three months ago. So it's slowly starting to bleed into Instagram and like obviously Twitter and like Facebook or whatever. But um, you know, it was just such a whirlwind from when November I had like a thousand followers on TikTok the three million, and uh, it just came out of nowhere. You know. So you grew up in Detroit, You're like, I grew up in Arkansas. My goal was always to work in Little Rock because that's where I grew up, and that was the biggest city in Arkansas. Honestly, you grew up in Michigan. It was the goal always to get on Detroit. It was yep. And I started in the smallest market like and I'm so glad I did. I started at a place called Bad Acts, Michigan. It's in the thumb. It was just like I was on an AM country station talking to like cows all day. Um, and then just kind of worked my way up, did the whole radio grind thing of going to media market and then Detroit. And I thought, you know, I wasn't like a guy who thought La or New York and stuff like that would be a possibility. But um, because Detroit was kind of the uh, the end game at least. But yeah, I'm just taking the opportunities as they come, and it's been amazing. Um. So I pulled up my my TikTok here and I now, can you know whatever make that reb reb share money is. I don't have as many followers you have four thousand followers. I'm not killing it over there, nothing like Bruise doing. But I looked at my money today. Do you do this creator fund? Yeah? Okay, I'm gonna read you my last five days here. Yesterday nine dollars and fifty cents. The day before that four dollars and ninety seven cents, four dollars and cents. Had two big days with eleven. Yeah, so just what's a good day for What's just a good single day for you brew? Yeah. So there's a funny thing about it. Through is a kind of like role. So like you can get views from a video from months ago and it keeps you know, collective views and stuff. But the creative funds kind of a joke, like nobody can really do a career unless you're like Addison Ready or something on that. Um, most of the people make their money from sponsorships and deals and stuff. The one video though, I got like thirty million views playing that whop on our country station in Detroit. Um, that got me like a couple of thousand, and that's do you ever get this money or is it like these off shore gambling sites we never quite get the money? Dude, I got it, and I was like it's great, like just having an extra like bonus back every month. It was like it's nice, you know, especially when in radio when I was making nothing out in Detroit. So that was nice little bonus. First of all, I cannot believe as soon as you started having some heat on you they didn't put you under a contract, Like that's a that's a bad move by them, um, And good for you for going Hey let me it's hot right now, let me go get it. And so like that, I seleut you excellent move. Were you doing country or pop? I think I'm confused what was going on? Because I saw the WAT video and you were in a country station? What what what were you doing? Mostly? Yeah, so my main like home station, everything was country, and I was doing other country stations in our company and then also Top forty um because that was the youngest, you know, like they on just won the buildings. So definitely wanting to keep all the horizons open. It was doing about like ten or twelve just throughout our company there, and they didn't have you undercome. I'm blown away this As soon as I got on like four stations that were like we're locking you up and your kids, we own your sperm. It was the whole thing, and they didn't know they did nothing. So you go to your new company, what are they What are you gonna do in l A. They have big plans for you. Yeah. Yeah, So obviously the first biggest thing is afternoons on amp here and so exciting. I just started the first day and then we'll we'll keep building it and see what they got planned for that. But yeah, I'm really excited. It's so funny. I had to obviously get like an agent and everything because I was getting contract offers and stuff from all these companies. I didn't know what was real and like what was it. So he was looking at him, He's like I was gonna take one before and he was like, you'd be an asking idiot to take this. I just didn't know, you know. I was never had a contract or anything. And he really helped me out with all that stuff and got me in a much better situation now, so dang how to get an agent? That's how you know what's happened. I yeah, good for you. I'm proud for you. One of a guy that I'm close to that took a chance. I mean, we've if I started syndicating my show is Phil Becker, and he hit me up and he was like, hey, I love brute and he was like, man, you should reach out to him sometimes. So listen, man, I'll text you after this just to give you my number. So if you ever need a resource for somebody who kind of came up through this thing the same way that you're doing, always hit me up. I'm proud to see you doing it this way. You know, it's all about getting eyeballs on your talent. I think you did that. And congratulations, man, that's really freaking cool. Yeah, thank you so much. I want to tell you too. Um, it was so wild, Like I was getting dms on Instagram when you brought me up the first time, and I was reading your book in the airport. I'm a big fan of yours and everyone on the show. I hope you're all listening. Hello, And uh, I was reading your second book and I started getting all these DMS was like a surreal thing. Soon you tran of yours and I don't get anyone hates on you, man. I love your story as well. And um, how about Arkansas. Yeah, that's like to have at Arkansas. Or I would say, like, wait, people hate on me, but no, everybody hates on me, and I hear it. I feel that crap. I'm gonna tell you, but you have. You have huge things about to happen for you because you're smart guy, you're good looking guy, you're talented guy. Like everything that you want to happen can happen for you. Here's the thing to learn. As soon as that pedestal starts to rise, more people see you, but that that select group of haters grows too. Just because you're going higher, it doesn't mean more people are hating you. It just means you're you're rising higher, so more people see you. So who knows. I hope you never have to go through some of the crap I've been through. But if you do, you got a voice, You got an ear here you can talk to. And I'm very proud for you. And just crush it. Man. I love it, love to see it. I appreciate it. So much, Thanks so much for the recent out and stuff. This is awesome. One final question, in my honor, can you use the word bone or on air? Oh my gosh, if I can find it from this job. Alright, alright, alright, good to talk to you guys. Follow follow Brew on the radio, on TikTok and on Instagram and Brew. I'm sure once everything's lifted, I'll see you in real life. Have a good day, man, You guys think so much. All right, see you later.