#291: Work from Home Stories

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Elsie

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You're listening to the A Beautiful Mess podcast your cozy comfort listen. I'm your host, Elsie Larson.

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Emma

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And I'm Emma Chapman.

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Elsie

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In this week's episode, we're talking about the highs and lows of working from home and how we

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balance our career dreams with raising young children. We've also got several great listener questions

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to cover, and we'll share an extra hot, hot take debate. I love the debates. I know I can't decide if I like

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the really hot ones or the kind of, like mild ones sometimes, like the mild ones, I'm like, I have even

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more to say, like they're hot for me. I don't know true. I think that actually, it's all over the map. But I will

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say from our emails that our listeners love them. Yeah, all of you kind of and it's fun. It's like we're

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bonding, or we're or we're, I don't know, I don't know something. It's just for fun, though, and I feel like

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we have the right attitude about it, right? Yeah, it's like, whatever.

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Emma

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Just be a human it's all good. We're all trying. Doesn't matter.

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Elsie

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The ones I put in this recording session are, some of them are so mean, you're gonna love it. It's great.

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Nice. So excited. Okay, okay, so before we jump in. So this is pre recorded, obviously, because it's not

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live. We know this, right? I'm not Terry Gross. You know is that even live, I don't even know. Actually, I I

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don't know, but I would love to be Terry Gross, for many reasons. I went to I love Terry Gross, but I just

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mean, like, this is not a live show. Is pre recorded. We whatever. But so we recorded this a week or two

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before the day it comes out, but the day it comes out, you can imagine us at this moment right now. We

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are in Disneyland with three fourths of our children and just Jeremy, and we are living our best life.

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We're going on the goofy roller coaster. We're trying to rally everyone in the right mood to go on the

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Haunted Mansion. We're having corn dogs, and we're getting those little macarons that they only have

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at Disneyland, and not Disney World. So life is beautiful.

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Emma

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Have you ever been a third wheel on your sister's family vacation? Well, now I have.

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Elsie

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You have lots of times true and I would be on yours.

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Emma

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Yeah, many times

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Elsie

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That's not a problem.

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Emma

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No, I feel like our husbands maybe didn't know at the time when they married us, but they've figured it

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out since then that it's like, you kind of married the other one too.

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Elsie

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It's great for me because it's like bringing a nanny, but for free.

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Emma

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Yu don't know how many corn dogs I'm gonna make you buy me.

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Elsie

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I love it. Oh and churros. Oh yeah, we're gonna do the full Disney Experience. You're gonna have

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Mickey Mouse waffle Yes? So, okay, yeah, imagine us at Disney. If there's any way you want to imagine

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us, I think it's going to be wonderful. So this week's episode is inspired by a couple of different listener

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questions that we received. So the first one is from Tirza, and it says I read in elsie's newsletter that she

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moved from renting an art studio to setting one up in her home. I love a podcast segment on what to

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take into consideration setting up a home art studio, particularly for painting. Things that I've been

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thinking about are which direction for the windows to face and the kind of storage, open or closed,

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easel or table or both, how big a table, flooring or floor coverings, how close to a sink are we? Etc. I'm a

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new empty nester, and I'm ready to try my art era. Okay, I love this question. I think this is wonderful. So

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should we go first into just the art studio stuff before? Because this episode, we're gonna talk about all

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things working from home. So we're gonna talk about writing, we're gonna talk about blogging. We're

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gonna talk about, you know, just like parenting, when we do laundry, things like that. But yeah, I think

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maybe I should do the art studio first.

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Emma

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Maybe talk about your art studio, and also maybe talk a little bit about our mom's art studio. She's had

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some different ones over the years. But yeah, I think that's kind of different and interesting.

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Elsie

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Yeah. So I currently have a sunroom art studio. I have a space heater in there right now because the

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time of year, it's pretty small, and the space heater is pretty great. So it actually is fine, as long as I just I

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turn it on, like, let it cook for like, 20 minutes, and then I can turn it on, go make your coffee or your tea.

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Come back. Yeah, yes. So it is three walls of windows and then one wall where I have, like the little

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lead shelves where I can display paintings. And it is great. It does not have enough storage, though. So

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what I do for my storage is right inside of the next room over is the library dining room that we just built.

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I just shared it on Instagram if you haven't seen it, and that dining room has closed like, kind of like

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kitchen cabinets along the bottom of the bookshelves, so that's where all my paints are, and kind of just

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like any extra storage they need. And that works also, because my sunroom is not like 100% like freeze

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proof and. So now my paint won't freeze. So other than that, I have a couple of those little white those

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little carts you can get them at, like, Michael's those, you know, those little carts. Yeah, I have a couple

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of those. So in those, I keep, like, the paint that I'm using, jars for water and jars for brushes. And then

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other than that, I have one long table, I have the easel, and I am doing a floor covering. So we just

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added wood floors to that room. They were previously like, I guess we didn't add We refinished them.

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They were previously painted, and they had paint all over them, and it kind of bothered my husband.

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We're just different people. So we got them refinished dark wood. And then he was like, You need to

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put a rug down so that the floors don't get damaged. Which is really funny, because I'm like, Okay, well,

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that's just saying, like, the rug is gonna get damaged, but whatever.

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Emma

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Rugs are cheap. I mean, depending on the rug.

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Elsie

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It was a very strange size. So I ended up getting a vintage rug. I couldn't get a new rug, just because

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the size was so specific. But you can get a vintage rug on Etsy or eBay, on in pretty much any size, like,

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it's really great. So I ended up getting a Moroccan rug that is super, super, super high contrast and

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colorful, just because I felt like that would like, be very forgiving for little splashes of paint. You're kind of

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planning to get paint on this rug. Yes, you're like, I struggle get paint, and I'm planning for that, and I'm

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good with it. It's inevitable. I'm gonna try not to, and I'm gonna try to clean the floor as I go, and I'm

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gonna try to keep it nice. I'm not gonna let it be like our old painted floor where I just, like, was fine with

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paint getting on it. I'm gonna do my best. But like, things are gonna happen, because it is an art room,

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and I let my kids paint in there a lot, and really, like, I'm not, not trying to throw my kids under the bus,

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but like, I'm not the one spilling paint on the floor most the time, right? So, you know, it happens too.

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Emma

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It's like when you're letting kids paint, not even just throwing them under the bus, but it's like, if you

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leave the room to go make a tea or go get something for them, or go to the bathroom or whatever.

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Sometimes a spill happens and, like, they don't totally realize and they don't tell you, and then you don't

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notice it, and then that's like, the hard stuff to clean up. Because I feel like when a spill happens and

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you clean it up right away, it's usually not a big deal. Like on wood, maybe carpet, not so much. But like,

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wood can kind of solve that pretty quickly, but it's when you don't see it, you don't realize, Oh, they got

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into my oil pastels and colored all over the border over here. I didn't realize the trim or something. Yeah,

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it's like, Oh crap. Like, how do I get this off?

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Elsie

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Maybe I'll do another newsletter about it, because I feel like I want to show like the paint the table itself

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is super, like, painted. It's like, already destroyed in a good way, so things can dry there. I don't know. I

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feel like you do have to have a system. You have to plan things out. And then in the other corner of the

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room, I got this, like, beautiful little marble table, because I wanted to use that for, like, my writing spot

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and, like, making pictures and videos and things like that. It is small. I and I loved my art studio that I

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was at it for about, I think, like, a year and a half. I loved it. It was so wonderful. But the reason why I

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decided to move back home is, one, because we finished our renovation and I can and the other

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reason because I like to paint at night and like, I like to paint on like, maybe, like, a Sunday afternoon

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while my kids are watching TV or something. Like, it doesn't always work for me to be able to leave my

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house. It will just make it where it's more accessible. So that's the reason why. But yeah, I miss my

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studio, and I loved that was like a very special spot for the time that it lasted.

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Emma

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Well, for another option, let's talk a little bit about our mom's studio. Oh yes. And really, we should have

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her on to talk about it, but I'm just trying to just describe it a little bit like, describe what functions well,

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about, like, I'm stealing her thing a little bit here, but shout out to her mom. She won't care anyway. No,

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she won't care. She's like, so easy going. Okay, so it's a room in their basement. They have a walk out

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basement. Used to be elsie's bedroom, and she put, like, what essentially, to me, looks like a giant drop

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cloth over the floor, which I think had carpet or tile, and it seems like she figured out a way to kind of get

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it to stay so you're not like, constantly tripping. I don't know what she did exactly. I think they stapled a

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drop cloth over carpet. That's what it seemed like to me that they got a staple gun and just stapled

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along the edges into the carpet, and then you could rip that up too, pretty easily and replace it so that

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and then she also painted the walls like a neutral. It's like a white or a very light beige, I'm not sure

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exactly, but what she does sometimes is she'll tape up papers onto the wall so that she's standing and

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painting, and it's just like, right at the level that she would prefer for her height, she's five, four, just like

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us. You can tell because there's, like, paint around borders. So like, when she takes one down, you

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can, like, see the ghost of where the painting was before, you know what I mean. And you can pretty

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easily repaint walls, if you it takes work, but that's pretty easy to do. Yeah. So that's. Sort of her setup.

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And she could tell you a lot more about her storage and the tables and all those things. But those are

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two things that, like you notice right away when you walk in there that, to me, are like, oh, this person

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paints, yeah. Like, this room is, like, for painting. Floors are covered. The walls are a certain way, like,

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she is ready for every surface to get paint on it potentially. And I think that, like, for her, she's like an

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abstract painter. She paints very with her feelings and, like, sometimes with music. And it's not that

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she's crazy messy. I don't think she's like Jackson Pollock in there, but I just think she can be if she

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wants to be. And I think that's the way to go for her. And I like that. So I think if you're like thinking that

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might be something you want to kind of go with with your painting. I don't know how this person likes to

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paint, then that might be a good option. I feel like some people are very like, they're doing fine details,

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and they would want to, like, sit at a table, you know, like, there's just, like, different styles.

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Elsie

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I honestly think that unless you are just using watercolors, you're probably gonna get paint somewhere,

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yeah, you know, like, it's just really hard not to, but, I mean, it's possible, but it's it's pretty hard not to.

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No, she has a great setup, and it just feels like so spacious and there's room for the kids, like there's

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just room for everyone to spread out and paint together, which I think is really special, too. Yeah, and

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she sells her painting, so she has a whole other area, which I don't know how you are planning to do

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this, the whole other area where she, like, puts together boxes. She has, like, a backing section, yeah,

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that's a whole different that's not even in the art studio. But again, I don't know if this person is planning

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to sell or, you know, because that's sort of a whole different thing. Okay, so we're going to talk about

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working from home. So we have been working from home almost, I would say for me, my entire adult

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life, except for like, two years. And maybe it was even, like, not even two years, like, maybe it was one

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year, there was one year where we worked in an office, and like, really soon after that I moved away.

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Like Like, it was really not like my favorite era. And, you know, some people love working at offices. I

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think this is, like a thing that covid brought out, is like, you got to try both for a lot of people, and figure

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out, like, do I like to work from home, or do I like to work from an office? And like, Emma's husband, he

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like, prefers and kind of almost needs to work in an office environment with other people. And I found

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out that I prefer and almost need to work from home alone with, like, a lot of alone time in my day. It's

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kind of like how I'm able to balance the other social parts of my life and being a parent and everything

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without ever becoming exhausted, is like, I feel like I'm recharging when I'm working because I'm alone,

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because you're alone.

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Emma

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Yeah, I'm the same way. I'm that way too, yep. So we're very, like, working from home.

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Elsie

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I have always loved it. Yeah, it was not new for me in covid, the way it was for many people. I was like,

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welcome. Welcome all you, millions of people, to my life.

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Emma

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I was kind of like, Wait, everyone's not loving it. What's going on?

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Elsie

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That's true. Describe our work from home spaces. So where do you get the most work done? So this

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one is interesting, because Emma, I know you have an office, and I had an office until this past year,

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and it was great. It was, it was the cutest little office. It was. But my contractor, like, brought up the idea

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because the room, because of the proximity of where the room is. He was like, this room would be the

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perfect little bathroom for your daughter. And as soon as he said it, I was like, damn it, he's right. I had

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just wallpapered it. It was so cute. It was like, this moody, dark, deep colors. I had my ghost desk, my

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roll top desk, and, yeah, everything. And then once he said it, I was like, Yeah, I like, I can, I just could

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see the future, or she's a teenager, and she's just gonna, it's a cute bathroom. She's gonna need her

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own bathroom. Well, I guess need is a strong word, but I think she'll get use out of it, and I think it'll be a

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good situation. I think it was the right thing to do. So we made that choice, and I knew I wasn't gonna

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have, like, an absolute designated office after that. We have a pretty large house, and it's, it's historic,

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so it's weird and quirky. And so now I have, like, probably, like, five spaces I can move between as my

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office, and if I ever decide, like that I want one of them to be my only office, I can also do that, you

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know, at that point, but I haven't made that choice yet. But where I work, so in the morning I wake up

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real early, I work on the couch in our living room for the first part of my day on my computer. We also

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have this little puzzle room. We call it, where, like, our record player is and stuff right next to the living

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room and just has a table. I work there a lot. That's usually where I eat lunch. It's where I do my

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meetings like do. Zoom calls. It's just like a good spot for that. And then I work sometimes in the dining

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room. I work sometimes in the art the little sunroom art studio gay mentioned, I just got a table there. I

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work sometimes in my bed. This is mainly during the summer when the house is really noisy with the

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kids. I will just like, go in my bedroom with my laptop and close the door. And that works for me

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sometimes. And then the last one is sometimes I work on the third floor, so we have like a guest room

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situation up there, but also this little cute, like table and desk next to a window, and it's where, like the

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butterfly wallpaper is. So sometimes I work up there, and it's like a vibe up there, but I tried putting a

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coffee maker up there and all this stuff, and I was like, No, I don't want to. I realized I didn't want to be

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up there all the time that I'm working so it's definitely not my permanent working space. It's my I ended

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up just wanting the coffee maker down to the kitchen and giving up on that idea. But yeah, it's just a it's

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an extra place that is good to be. So I think the cool thing about my situation is that there's a variety of

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different places to be. I never feel like I don't have a place to go, to be alone, like there's always some

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way, you know, to do that. Oh, and the one last thing is in my closet, that's where my roll top desk

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ended up. It's in my closet, and it is kind of permanently stuck in there. I think because of the it's like, so

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big and heavy, you'd have to, like, hire movers to move it somewhere else, yes, and if I ever move it, I

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would probably take it out of the house like I probably wouldn't. So anyway, I still do have also at the

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desk in my closet, which is only it's like, even worse than the sun room. It's like, for some reason, really

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hot and really cold there your closet is it is what it is, climate controlled. Yeah. So I have not ever

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worked at that desk yet, but a lot of last year it was, like, very full of stuff from the renovation. Like it was

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like a place where we stored stuff. So just recently, I got rid of a couple extra things, and it's like, and

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I'm working on cleaning it now, so maybe we'll see. Maybe I'll work at that desk again at some point. I

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do like it. I'm kind of glad it ended up in there, because I kind of want to keep it there. I'm gonna at least

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try it. But it is kind of weird to have a desk in your closet. So that's all my workspaces. And the thing

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that's cool, I've never had anything but a laptop, and I have always been I've always, like, enjoyed

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moving around. So I think that maybe that's good.

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Emma

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Interesting, because the setup to this, like, we're so similar, because I also recharge my batteries by

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being alone. So I feel like working from home for me is like, how I balance also being a mom, also

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having a social life, also what, you know, all the things is, like, I get my alone time during the day, while

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I'm working, so like, exactly the same as you. But then this part, I'm like, Oh, we're a little bit different,

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because I much prefer to have, like, one spot where, like, that's where all my stuff is. That's like, where I

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know to go. Because for me, I almost, like, don't like to have to make a decision of where to work. I like

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being like, this is where I go to work. Yeah. And if my area is stressing me out, like, if it's a little bit

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messy because I left stuff out from the day before something, then I tidy it away. And then that, like,

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tells my brain, now it's tidy now it's time to work, you know, or whatever. So stress, you have a, yeah,

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you have a desktop computer, right? Like, not a laptop? No, I have a laptop. Oh, you only have a

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laptop, yes? Because currently, okay, so my office is basically in an extra bedroom we have. So our

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house has four bedrooms, so we have a split level, and our upstairs is where all the bedrooms are. So

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my husband, I have a bedroom, and each of our kids have a bedroom currently, although they're

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already talking about bunk beds, it's like, when can Hugo be in my bunk bed? I'm like, well, he's still in

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his cribs. Yeah, that's cute. And then there's a fourth bedroom, and that's my office, and it has been

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since the day we moved in. Yeah, that was part of, like, what we were looking for was I was because I

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used to have an open office area at my last house, and I hated it. I really, really hated that. Yeah, I like

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being in my own little room, yeah, where I feel like I can have my stuff, or I could even, like, work on a

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little, like, necklace project and then leave it out and finish it the next day, and like, nobody's gonna

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mess with it, like not even, like the dog's gonna come in and knock it off or something, yeah, like, I just

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like having my own area that's, like, my area, I would do well with a cubicle, but I just don't want to be in

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an office with other people. I just want to be in the cubicle by myself. So anyway, we knew that when we

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bought this house, and that was part of the appeal was like, okay, it has enough bedrooms that we

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could have two kids, and I still have an office room. But at the moment this year, because I'm staying

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home with our youngest when I have time to work, we have a nanny at our house who's watching him,

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and I found pretty early on that I can't go in my office and shut the door. Here because it's near his

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bedroom. He just knows I'm in there, and so he just spends the whole time, like knocking on my door.

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He has very much like that. He loves the nanny, but he just, I'm the mom, you know, and he just wants

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to be around me. And it's very sweet. But it's also like, I he cannot know that I'm in the house. He's just

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drawn to me. If I'm working from home, I have to kind of hide. So currently I go hide in the basement if I

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work from home, and a lot of times I don't work from home. I go work at a coffee shop or the library,

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mostly the library. And I like that fine, but is not my preference. It's just what I'm doing this year during

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my work hours that I have. But my home office is really cute. I put wallpaper up. I have a desk. I do

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have a laptop, but I have it like, set up on a stand, and then it has its own keyboard and mouse that's

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separate. But I'm really glad I have a laptop, because this year I've really needed it since I can't be in

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my office. And yeah, I really, I really, like, in there, it also has all my craft supplies. It also has an easel

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set up in the corner, so, like, it's kind of my painting room, work room, but I mostly work in there

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because I don't paint that often or craft that often, but all my stuff is in there, so, like nobody else can

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get to it, all those jewelry making supplies. Yeah, I have a ton of jewelry making stuff. And, yeah, just

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random odds and ends, because I'm one of those, like, start a craft. Maybe I'll do it, maybe I won't finish

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it. Who knows? Yeah, kind of brings me joy just to start things. And I do that once in a while. So I have

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a bunch of random stuff in there. And, yeah, I really love it. I'm looking forward to working in there

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again, and I certainly will, but it just isn't the fit for this year. Yeah, so I currently kind of hide in our

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basement right now with my laptop or go to the library.

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Elsie

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Yeah, it seems like you go to the library a lot too. Yeah, which that's like a great place to work. Yeah, I

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love the library. I prefer to be alone. But, like, the library's great. Like, as soon as I walk in, like, just

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even the smell of library places with lots of books, I just love it. Yeah, I love it. So it's a great secondary

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place to be. At the moment, I've been thinking that at some point in my life I'd like to, like, try to work,

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especially like on little writing sprints where it's like less than an hour at coffee shops and cafes and

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stuff like, I think it's a cool idea and like it, but I'm not sure if I would like it or be productive or not like

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without trying it.

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Emma

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So yeah, I will say that's like, one thing I wrote down for this was, even if you're a person like us who,

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like, likes to be alone all the time, I do think there's a benefit to every once in a while, it's almost like it

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can become this limiting belief of like, I like to work from home by myself, and I have a space, so I

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almost feel bad leaving. But every now and again, there's certain tasks basically I don't want to do, or I

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need to focus really hard and do it for like, two hours straight. And sometimes it's beneficial to, like, go

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to the library or a coffee shop just to get that thing done. That's a good tip. And I think, like, don't limit

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yourself, even if you're like, I'm a work from home person, it's like, you can still have a task here and

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there where you go do that and you just do it before you go run your errand or go pick up your kids or

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whatever. However it works in your schedule. And I think that that that can be kind of helpful, because

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there is something about being around other people where I'm like, It's not that anyone's watching me,

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nobody's watching me, especially at the library, no one even sees me. But something about being in

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public just makes me, like, hyper focus a little bit. And I don't want to do it all the time. It is good for

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certain tasks that I kind of don't want to do, that I just need to do for like, two hours or one solid hour,

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and it's like, Okay, I just do that.

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Elsie

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Nice. That's a good idea. Okay, so let's talk about the pros and cons of working from home. A thing that

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a lot of people bring up is that they're afraid that if they work from home, that they won't be able to stop

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like, I should be doing laundry. I should be doing the dishes. Like, you know, you walk by your kitchen

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and you see that the island isn't cleared, or, like, things like that. And that definitely is real. Yeah, I think

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that that is, like, probably one of the cons, but it's also kind of a pro. Like, I don't know, I personally like

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it. I have to access to all my stuff. I'm not the type of person who cleans one day a week. I'm more like,

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I'll clean a little bit every morning before I start, and then that's kind of it. Like, maybe, like, 15 minutes

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at the most, I do one little thing, and then I, you know, like, I've did the dishes this morning. Now I go

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about my day and usually, like, clean off the counters and wipe them, and then that's it. And I am able

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to still focus so but, you know, I do think that there are disadvantages. We have two puppies. We, you

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know, we receive packages. We have occasionally have, like, contractors still coming to our house to

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do little things, or, you know, I don't know, people knocking on your door, soliciting or whatever. And it's

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like I end up being the person that all of that stuff falls to because my husband works in the basement,

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and he just doesn't, you know, yeah, he doesn't hear the door. He escapes from the puppies, and I

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don't, yeah, so yeah, I think that I would say the Pro. Well, the pros are, if you're an introvert, I think it

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can just be like, such a healthy way. To keep your life balanced. And the cons are that, yeah, like you're

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working from home. So if your home isn't a place that has good lighting or has, you know, fresh air is

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clean, or whatever, you know, like, you have to live with those things, right? Yeah, so it's good if you

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love your home, which, so that's also one of the reasons why I prioritize my home so high on my list of

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priorities, like financially, is because I do work from there and spend so much extra time from there that,

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you know, I'm thinking about, like, our life with our kids, but I'm also thinking about, like, writing my

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books and, you know, all of the different things that we do and my husband's work, out. So yeah, let's

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talk a little bit about both working from home, because I think that's an interesting thing. Like a lot of

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people, when they hear that we both work from home, they think that we're like, kind of getting on each

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other's nerves or whatever. And I actually heard Michelle Obama do a podcast about this recently

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where she said they both work from home. I think they also like, when you're celebrities, you probably

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also like, can't leave your house as much, which is a different situation. But she said they have, like,

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most of their date nights at home and stuff, which I do too, for different reasons. We have so much in

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common with the Obamas. So nice. But, yeah, the one thing, okay, the one thing we really do have in

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common is she said that if she, like, thinks of a clever, like, a cute or clever conversation she can have

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with him. She saves it. And I related with that. I'm like, Okay, you kind of do learn to segment out your

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life where, like, I actually kind of never go and try to have, I wouldn't say never, but I very rarely go and

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try to have a serious conversation with my husband in the middle of the day. Like we live in our own

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world. We both work from home, but it does not feel like we spend our day together at all. Like he has

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his space in the basement. I do not really see him hardly at all, and then I have my spaces, and he

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doesn't come and bother me either, and then eat lunch together. Or no, we don't eat lunch together. He

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has his own routine. He's, like, very protective of his routines. He has his own thing. And so what we do

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together is we sometimes go grocery shopping together, and then we have our date nights and all of

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that. And then sometimes we have kind of a, like, a like, 30 minute or so, like, we'll like, sit on the porch

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after the kids get home from school or after they go to bed, or like, something like that. Then we'll like,

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sit and really talk and have a conversation. And that's just kind of our normal life. Now and then I go to

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bed much earlier than him. I wake up early. You know, we have our own routines, so I think that it can

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work for you to both be at home all day if you don't have a small I mean, it wouldn't work if we had, like,

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a two bedroom apartment, you know, like we have the space to have our own privacy, and also, you

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know, just our own kind of our own separate worlds, like inside of the same home. Yeah, I think you

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both too, it sounds like and I also know you guys both, so I sort of know this, but you have the same

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amount of desire for, like, social interaction during your work day, which is, like, very, very little. So, you

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know, you're not really trying to, like, go talk to each other during your work days. It's just not really

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something, you know. And one person's like, oh, I can see you need to talk about something, but, like, I

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was trying to work on, you know. And there's a little bit of friction there, like, that doesn't sound like that,

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really, like that really happens kind of never, yeah, like yesterday I got this, like, big exciting news from a

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friend, and I was, like, crying. It was like, it was really happy news. And I, like, went down and told him,

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and, like, recent, you know, he recently came to me with, like, some exciting news for someone else.

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And so it's like, that kind of thing will let go and interrupt the other person. But it's not really, yeah, it's

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actually like, not a not an issue. And I could see us working in the same home forever. If that's what

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happens, it's sustainable. I love it. Okay, do you want to read the question from Crystal?

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Emma

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Crystal's question is, I was wondering if you would consider talking about your daily routines. I'm sure

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each day varies a lot for you, since you run your own businesses, but I always find it fascinating to hear

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about a typical day in the life of someone else, morning routines, evening routines, taking care of

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kiddos, so on and so forth.

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Elsie

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Yeah, you want to go first? Tell your routine.

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Emma

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I wrote it down from six to 830, or nine is kid time. So our oldest comes in our room and wakes us up

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every other morning. So each of us get up with someone every morning. One day it's Oscar, and next

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day it's Hugo. So he kind of knows the routine too. So he goes to that person's side of the bed, Oh,

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wow. And he has like, an okay to wake clock. So that's why it's six every morning, because otherwise

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he would come in at four, five. Who knows, he's not a big sleeper. So six is like, you're not allowed to

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leave your room until six is basically what that clock's for. So anyway, he comes in. So that's kind of

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like, we watch a little TV, we make breakfast, we play, we get them ready, we get them dressed, you

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know, all those things. We get ourselves dressed. So on and so forth. That's that time. Then from

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around 830 or nine until noon most days, four days a week, anyway, is when I work or run errands

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without kids, or make phone calls without kids, whatever. So that's my time to do things without kids.

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From nine to noon, four days a week. Then from noon to two is Hugo nap time. So I'm usually home

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and he's napping. He doesn't always nap that whole time. Sometimes he naps longer than that. It's

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random, but that's usually my time to finish up any work that I didn't finish, or do some laundry. Just you

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know, there's lots of things I do with Hugo, but I also try to get certain things done so that when Hugo's

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awake, it's like Hugo playtime. So then he wakes up around two, 230 whatever, and from then until

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about 430 is just Hugo time. Sometimes we'll run an errand together, but most the time, we just play or

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do something hopefully stimulating for him. And then we pick up Oscar, and for an hour or two, I'm with

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both of them. It's just like a time to sometimes we'll go do something fun, like go to the library or go to

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the mall. Elsie saw me the other day at the mall, and they're just playing, doing their little things. Once it

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gets warmer, we'll be at playgrounds, because Oscar is very like, after school, he's ready for us for

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something else. Like, I don't know, I feel like Hugo is like a he's still blossoming, but I could see him

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after school being like, I need chill time. I need, like, downtime. Whereas Oscar's like, Mama, what's our

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activity today? Like, he's ready for something. So we do some things are just the same. Yeah, it's funny.

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So anyway, so we do something after school, and then around 530 I you know, if they're playing great.

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If not, I'll turn on something, and then I'll start making dinner. And then Trey gets home around 545 six,

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we have dinner as a family, which means the kids eat Trey and I sometimes have a snack. We don't

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really eat with our kids. We eat afterwards, and the kids go to bed around seven, 730 and then from

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730 till 10 ish is when I will me and my husband will clean up the house. We'll make dinner, we'll spend

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time together, and then if I want to work out or take a shower or finish up some work, that's the time to

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do it then it's bed time.

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Elsie

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Wow, yeah, that's kind of every day. The weekends are obviously just more kid time, but it's a similar

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that hours are the same nice, okay, my current routine i I've shared before. I wake up at 430 which is so

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early, but I've been doing it for a while now, and I really like it.

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Emma

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You've been doing it since Italy. That was like, Oh, you're right, last October, so, okay, so months and

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months, probably four months or five months, yeah, like half a year now, yeah, wow, getting there.

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Elsie

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Yes, I like it. I don't do it every single day, but I do it most days, and I'm trying to get to where I do it

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every day. I think it's, I've heard that it's better to wake up at the exact same time every day, if you can.

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But I feel like I need to get, like, a nicer alarm clock. I can't change my clock the time on my clock

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because I got this, like, kind of really crappy it's like a little wristband. It kind of looks like a Fitbit, and it

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vibrates to wake me up, so that wake up my husband. That's nice, and that's why I don't like to wake up

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earlier, because it's loud, yeah? But it doesn't. It doesn't. I can't change the time because I kind of want

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to change it to five sometimes, so it's like a budget friendly thing, and you can't, yeah, yes. So I'm

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thinking maybe I now I know I'm going to use it. Maybe I'll get one that I can actually control. That's

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okay, but the 430 is really nice because my children wake up. Okay, so I'll just say my routine. Sorry, I'm

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getting on the tangent. I wake up at 430 I either write a part of my novel work on development, or write

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a newsletter every single day. And then the kids wake up at six. So from six to seven, I'm just like,

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feeding them breakfast, helping them get out of the house, things like that. And then my husband drops

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them off at school. And then at seven, I am starting to work, and I pretty much speed work like during

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that time, and they are in school until about 215 in the afternoon. So I do different things every day, but

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kind of anything in my whole life that I need to do, whether it's like writing or work or going to a doctor or

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hanging out with a friend, or like, literally anything going to the grocery store. I do during those hours.

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So I just cram. And I actually have a lot of days where my day is mostly riding right now, which is really

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nice. And then, you know, there's a there's always other things mixed in with it, like, you know, laundry,

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or what I don't know, like, just normal things, taking my dogs to vet all the time. There's always a

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problem things like that. Yeah. So then I picked the kids up, and we have this wonderful after school

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routine with the other moms, where we like sit at this picnic table. It's already, most days nice enough

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weather where we can sit there, and we sit there, usually for like, 30 minutes to an hour. And. Let the

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kids play on the playground, so I just get to talk to other moms, which is nice, and I love that. And then

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we come home, have a snack, have dinner. Have, you know, sometimes we have other kids over, like

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play dates. Sometimes my kids have, we don't have a lot of activities after school, but sometimes we

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have Girl Scouts and things like that. And then we, you know, get ready for bed. And like, sometimes I

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hang out with my husband watch a show or something, and sometimes we spend our evening

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separately on the weekdays, because that's something that I said that I wanted a couple years ago,

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because we had been watching TV like, all night, every night for most of our relationship. And then I

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finally was like, This is too much TV for me, and we were just always running out of things. So now we

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don't do it every night anymore. And so sometimes I read, and I end up going to bed pretty early,

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usually before nine, because I wake up so early. So that is my day. That is my current day. And then,

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you know, during the summers, the kids are home full time, but it's really not that different. I just do the

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same things with them at home, and we go to the pool a lot. Yeah, that's pretty much our life. It's a good

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life. It's a good life. Yeah, I love it. And yeah, on weekends, we see our family and pretty much the

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same. Let's talk about how to deal with distractions. Okay, so I have a great little hack that I just started

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using. I think it's called, like a visual timer. Have you ever heard of this? Yes. Okay, so do you have

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one? I bought one. It's for Oscar's short nap, which is what he calls naps. Okay? He calls nighttime long

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naps.

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Emma

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Oh, I get it, okay, long nap or short How long do you set it for? His is an hour and a half. You can set it

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for two hours if he seems like, you know.

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Elsie

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So mine only goes up to one hour, but it's pretty much just like a little timer, like what you would use like

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in the kitchen, right? But the difference is it shows, like you can see from far away, how much time you

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have left it kind of shows with a band of color the minutes as they go down. So I've been using that to,

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like, yesterday, when I was writing the podcast outlines, I said it for 30 minutes, and I realized there was

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only 10 minutes left and I hadn't done anything, so I said it again, and, you know, like, did that, yeah, I

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got it for, like, writing sprints, because I'm trying to train myself to do like, the 30 minute 30 minutes at a

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time, which I haven't gotten that skill yet. Emma has it really well. Yeah, you can get that flow state. I'm

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more like, I have to have an hour or two. So I'm trying to change that. But, yeah, I think it's helpful for,

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like, setting. And it does make a sound when it goes off too. So you can set it for like, Okay, I'm going to

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spend one hour or 30 minutes cleaning this room, or, you know, whatever, checking social media,

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doing, admit, doing emails, whatever kind of administration you have. So yeah, the visual timer is

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probably my best way to deal with distractions. Like I kind of, I'm just so used to working from home that

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I don't know anything else at this point. So yes, my day is distracted. But I feel like my day was

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distracted when I worked in an office, also just in different ways, you know, with people coming in and

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talking, and I would get, you know, like, fall down rabbit holes using my computer, like on the internet,

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and that's easy to do no matter where you are.

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Emma

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Yeah, distractions are like stress. You can't live a stress free life. You learn how to manage stress.

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Same thing with distractions. You'll never have a distraction free life, because it's life, yeah, but you just

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learn to manage them, and you have to find things that work for you. And the visual Tiber is really good.

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Like I said, we have one for Oscar because you can't tell time. So it's helpful. Also, if you have young

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kids who can't tell time yet, then it's good for that. Yeah, so I'll time things. I also sometimes do this

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thing. I believe it's called time boxing, but it's essentially where you plan it. I have such short work days,

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time blocking, time blocking. Yeah, I think people call it time boxing, okay, I don't know. Anyway, the

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idea is basically simple. It's just, oh, I have three hours to work right now. Four hours, all right, I'm going

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to spend one hour on this, one hour on this, one hour on this. And the idea is, like, yes, you can bleed

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into other areas if needed, but you're also kind of, like giving yourself a relay race, of like, you've got to

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finish this task in this amount of time. That's all there is to it. Yeah? So you either did it really well in that

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amount of time, or you did a crappy job because you wasted your time. It's one or the other. So, and I

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thought that kind of works for me. I think too. I also when I started working from homelessness many,

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many, many years ago, but I changed my mindset about, oh, when I'm at work, I don't do anything

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personal at all. I change that. I flip that script. So it's like, no, no, I do what I need to do so that I can

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work really hard and really fast and really well. So for me, that means that if I'm by myself, this doesn't

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work with my kids. So I don't do this this year, but I do spend the first 30 minutes of my day. I usually

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put on a podcast, and I has to be less than 30 minutes to be 30 minutes or less, or I listen to an audio

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book and I clean up my house. If I haven't got to put my clothes and makeup on yet, because I got my

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kids out the door or whatever, then I do that too, and I give myself a certain amount of time so it's not

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endless, and I can throw some laundry in. I could put the dishes away, whatever's going to help me feel

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like it's just I'm trying to signal to my body, okay, everything's done. You can work now, because if I don't

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do that, then my body's like, oh, the house is a mess. Yeah, you know, and I'm just doing that. And

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instead of, and I'm not going to work as well because I'm I'm kind of just leaving the distraction to keep,

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like, distracting me, as opposed to just taking care of it and being done with it. So another thing people

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will talk about, when you work from home, you'll, like, end up doing kind of maybe fun things, or just

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like, little home chores, little home projects. Yes, I use them as rewards. So I'll basically be like, hey,

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when you send these two emails that you've not been wanting to send another retirement account and

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you have to look up a bunch of things or blah, blah, blah, once you send those two emails, then you

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can go hang that picture that you've been wanting to hang on your gallery wall. So then I'm like, aren't

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you on those stupid numbers emails? And so then I can go do that little house project I want to do. And

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for me, that works because I like, have things I want to do. I want to print all these, like personal photos.

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And I'm like, Okay, you can do that, but you need to finish this task first. I'm like, okay, so I use it as, like

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a little like reward system, and they're not really rewards. It's not like I'm eating a cupcake or buying a

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new pair of shoes, but it's just like something that I want to do that's on my list, and I make myself do

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the things that I'm less excited to do on my list first, so that I can do that slightly more fun thing. Yeah,

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that is usually something in my house, because I like doing little things around my house. I like piddling,

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yeah, but I don't let myself do too much of that unless I finish whatever task I needed to do first. Yeah, I

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do subscribe to the idea of doing the worst task first. Yeah, for me, it's like, phone calls. Yeah? Like, I

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have a little bit of that, like, phone call fear. I have a lot of rewards for doing phone calls, because I hate

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calling places. But just to get it done and off the schedule does feel so good. So, yes, it does. Okay?

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Well, we hope this was helpful. I love working from home. If you hate it, just try different things and see

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if you know, I think that, like tweaking your routine is probably the best thing you could do, but some

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people just don't like it, and that's okay too. Yeah. I also think like it's always good if you've been doing

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something for years, whether it's working from home or working somewhere else, an office, and you

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have the ability to try it. Sometimes we change over the course of our lives. Sometimes something that

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was serving us years ago, we don't need it anymore, or we don't like it anymore, and that's okay. Yeah,

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we change over the course of our lives. Try something else. See if it helps you. See if it helps you feel

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more efficient or more grounded. That's the goal, man, to get stuff done and feel good.

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Elsie

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Yes, okay, this is slightly related, but not really. We had a question from Linnea. It says, What the heck

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happened to the app? And more on this journey, you guys have mentioned twice getting out of the app

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business, but no back story on the exit. Okay, so do you want to say it? Or should I? Yeah, you can say

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it. I feel like we did talk about it one time. It's always hard to know it's okay. Sometimes I'm like, did we

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talk about this? I don't know. I'll try to give it with a little more story, and this will be our one story time for

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this subject. Because honestly, we were never told, like, don't talk about it. Oh no. It was kind of

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understood, like, don't make a big deal about it, like it's kind of almost like rude to go out, like,

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celebrating about your exit when the company's still, you know, growing and working and doing its thing

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just without us. Now that's kind of why we minimized it.

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Emma

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We're classy, that's why, right?

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Elsie

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So, yeah, we started our app company more than 10 years ago with our first app, a beautiful mess. It

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changed our lives completely, like we spent our very, very first book advance building the app, and it

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sold 250 units. Like the first day changed our life forever, and after that, we built nine more apps over

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10 years with a team, obviously not by ourselves, no, with a great team. There were highs and lows.

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There were some, some of my significant career highlights happened through that. I feel like a lot of like

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our strengths in marketing and experiences in like, I don't know, marketing and self promotion. We

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learned a lot from that. We learned a lot about scouting talent and working with other influencers. And

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we, yeah, we had a range of experiences that were really high and really low. Like, we worked with Zoe

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on two apps, Zoe Sugg, who was, like, best partner ever. She, she, she was the best partner ever, and

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still have a crush on her. No, I mean, I love her forever. And, yeah, we had, like, wonderful experiences

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doing it. But you know, during the end, the end of the road, Emma was having some like me. Mental

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health stuff, where she felt like after she had her baby, she felt she could no longer balance and handle

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all these things on her plate. And yeah, the clearing of her plate, I think, is a thing that people don't talk

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about a lot in business, but it has to be done once in a while. You know you have to to have your

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longevity and to just continue being good at what you do like once in a while, you have to let some

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things go. So Emma exited, I think in 2024 I exited in 2024 2025 the next year, after maybe two years,

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year and a half, something like that. Yeah. And honestly, for me, once Emma was gone, I was just kind

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of lonely in the business, and it wasn't as fun, and I knew it was the end of the journey. And it's not that I

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didn't still I treasure and appreciate all the years, but I just kind of knew it was the end of the road, so

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when I had a chance to exit, I took it immediately, and, you know, celebrated that privately, and yeah,

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we've, we've been very happy. So the company's still running and existing and growing. They're even

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building a new app right now, and we are cheering them on, but we're no longer owners of the

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business. Yeah. So anyway, it was fun, but now it's done as Daniel Tiger says,

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Emma

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it was fun, now it's done.

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Elsie

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Okay, so should we do book reports? Yes, let's do it. Okay, so I have, I'm, actually, I'm like, almost to

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the end. So I have not technically finished this yet, but I am reading The Prestige by Christopher Priest.

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And I remember The Prestige movie from the early 2000s I've seen the movie. I haven't read the book.

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Yes, it has Hugh Jackman, and what's the other guy's name? Christian Bale. Christian Bale. It's a great

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movie. I re watched it, and then I found out there was a book, and I was like, oh my god, I have to read

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this. And I read that. They were similar story, but different themes, and they're actually not that similar of

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stories. So it's been delightful to read. Yeah, I would say I haven't finished the book yet, but I it's

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probably five stars for me. I really, really am enjoying it. But yeah, the whole the last six months, I just

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cannot get off of my old man magicians, Victorian pastiche phase because of Jonathan strange and Mr.

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Norrell. And then I started reading this immediately. And then I'm thinking, I'm gonna start that series

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like the magicians. Do you know about that? Like, love Grossman? I think is, oh yeah, I love the first

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one. Yeah, I'm excited. I haven't, I haven't read the other one, so I might love them too, I don't know, but

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I just can't get off of that train ride. And I don't know, I just won't. I can't and I won't. So yeah, it's very

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fun. The other day, I was chilling with my family, and my father in law was like, Elsie, what kind of books

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are you reading? And I was like, I'm reading a book about two dueling magicians.

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Emma

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It's actually a pretty common theme. Another book I love is also about two dueling apprentice magician.

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Yes, yeah. So anyway, that is my book report. What about you? I somewhat recently read Twisted Love

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by Anna Huang. I actually read it around the holidays, which I feel like was the perfect time to read it,

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because it was such a delight. This is another romance. This one's like, kind of for me, higher on the

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spice level. Okay, so I was in part reading, because she has this big catalog of books this author, and

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I've seen her a lot like on she's on, like, morning shows, and her books make it onto the list, and she

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just seems really cool. So I've been like, looking at her career, and she started out self published, and

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now she has one of the big agents that's, like, a dream agent. And so I was just like, Oh, I've got to

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read these. So I had some on my shelf. And around the holidays, I got this was the her first one in this

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series out, and it might be her first one generally. So I read it, and I think I read it in like, two days. It's

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just like, super fun, easy read, very high spice, perfect, perfect little smut book. That's my high praise

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for me is I just loved it so much fun. And so I'll definitely be reading more of them. She has this series

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that's like, king of gluttony, king of envy. It's like the seven deadly sins. And I'm kind of interested in that

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one. And then she also has a series, if you like, if you like sports mud, so if you're like heated rivalries,

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Sign me up. Then she's got one that's about soccer, football, football. It's about soccer. You're

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American, like me. It's like, yep, say soccer. I feel like, but it's football. Okay? And so that looks really

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fun and interesting, too. So if you like a sports romance, she's got a series for that, so she's got

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everything. But this was really fun, and I loved it. I love that.

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Elsie

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Okay, so we had a suggestion from Beth. She said, like, can you please start repeating the name of the

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book after the book reports, because sometimes I miss it. So mine was The Prestige by Christopher

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Priest.

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Emma

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And mine was Twisted Love by Anna Huang.

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Elsie

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All right, so let's get into our hot take debate. Okay. This is from our listener, Anne. Here's my hot take.

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We don't need any more movies based on books. They are different mediums. Let books be books and

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movies be movies. I want to see more movies that were written to be movies and tailored to that

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medium, written to take advantage of all the cool things you can do on screen. Same for books. I want

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more authors to take advantage of all the cool things you can do in books that you can't do on screen.

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I've read books that felt like their secret. They secretly wanted to be screen plays. Play to the strengths

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of your medium. No more crossing streams. Okay, this is a very hot take. I'm gonna go hard on my

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side. What about you?

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Emma

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I see both. I read it and I was like, boy, I really see both on this one. I really because at first I was like,

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I'm not on board. And then I got to the end of reading, and I was like, I'm a little on board. So I feel like

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shit. A good job. Okay, let's go ahead and go hard. Let's hear yours.

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Elsie

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Disagree. I think if, in my perfect world, every book would be a movie, yeah, every movie would be a

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book. The yes, they're different mediums in a good way, and I love that. Like I wouldn't want to live in a

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world where the idea of you book and the idea of you movie didn't both exist, you know, because a

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movie was better, she said what she said every time the book was better, we will die on these hills

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respectively. But yeah, there are so many movies like Little Women, for example. Like, we don't want to

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live in a world without Little Women. Movies, no, never. Like I No, never. But, I mean, I do agree. Okay,

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the one thing I will agree with out of everything that Anne said is that when you're writing a novel, you

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should write it as a novel, and you shouldn't just be thinking about your your future movie adaptation.

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Which I get that? I get that. But I don't really agree that very many books are seeming to do that to me. I

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think that novels do take advantage. I mean, you have this like 80 to 100,000 words to play with.

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Screenplays are 20,000 words, if you didn't know like, they're they're much shorter, and you don't get

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any interiority, you have to do everything through dialog and body language. They're completely

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different. Yeah, they're completely different. Like, I strongly disagree with this, because I just love

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adaptations so much. And, like, I actually want more of them. The one thing I will say is, like, some

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adaptations are disappointing. Yeah, that that's fair. Like, some of them are the worst. Yeah, like, that's,

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that's fair, you know? And like, loving a book more than the movie is normal and good. I think that's,

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like, that's actually really common, right? Like, because if you read a whole novel, like, I just think it's

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like, hard to get all of that into a movie. You know, a lot of times they have to cut out, like, all this

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exciting stuff. But then sometimes, I don't know, like, in Little Women, that's probably my ultimate

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example, because I feel like the movie, it like, got to the heart of it in such a beautiful way. It expanded

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on things that, I think in the present day, we wish they would expand, like they're like, it was very

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satisfying. It was to me, it was like, ultimate adaptation. Anyway, I don't know. I think it's fun to think

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about, you want to go?

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Emma

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So I also like, think she's on to something with take advantage of what your medium has to offer. Like,

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I'm like, Yeah, I like that. I also like the idea I love movies that, you know, there's many movies that I

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love that are not at all based on any kind of book there, they were made to be a movie, and they are

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great. So I like, I see that. And same thing with books. There's time I read a book, and I'm like, this

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would be fun movie, but I don't know how they would do it, and probably would honestly be bad, like

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and I still love the book, so it's like, yeah, they are completely different mediums. I think if yours lends

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itself to leaning into its medium, great. But there are a lot of books and movies that feel naturally, like

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they could both exist and it feels good, it makes sense. And so it's kind of odd to be like, well, we're not

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going to do that anymore. I feel like a better argument might be like, either, let's not. We don't have to

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compare the book to the movie or the movie to the book, or we recognize that they both stand alone,

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even if there is a movie based on a book, or vice versa. I suppose. I don't know if we've ever done that,

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but they should both have the chance to stand alone. Yeah, because there are times like I love a book

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in a movie, and I like them each for themselves, because they're just not like they did have to cut out a

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whole bunch of stuff because it is so much a movie of so much less time. You know, you have so much

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less time than a book, and if you can still get to the emotional heart of something, or the vibes of

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something. I think that's quite a feat. I think that's quite an interesting artistically, and I like to see it

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done, but I I recognize that it's not the same as the book, because they didn't have as much time, like,

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and that's fine, like, I'm I'm good with that. I'm open to it. I mean, I only sat in the theater for two hours

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instead of reading it for two weeks, like I did before. So it's like. Yeah, of course it was gonna be held in

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my heart differently. It was just literally a different amount of time to consume it. So I don't know that all

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makes sense to me. I think she's got some things here, but she didn't sell me. I was just like, I do like

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the leaning into your medium though. I was like, Yeah, I'm on board with with that advice and that idea.

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Elsie

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Yeah, too hot for me.

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Emma

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Too hot to handle. Yep, too cold to hold.

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Elsie

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Okay, we're going to pass it over to Nova for her special segment, a joke or a fact with Nova. Hey,

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Nova, what do you have for us this week?

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Nova

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A fact.

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Elsie

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A fact. Okay, I'm ready.

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Nova

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Did you know that when they built the transcontinental railroad that the majority was Chinese

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immigrants who built the railroad.

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Elsie

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Uh huh, wow. I did not know that. Thank you for sharing.

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Nova

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You're welcome.

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Elsie

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Do you want to say anything else before we go?

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Nova

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Have a good week.

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Elsie

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All right. Thank you so much for listening. We will be back next week with our spring bucket list,

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because it is officially going to be spring. Can you believe it?

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Emma

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Thank God.