Big (1988) vs. Twins (1988): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
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<v Speaker 2>Today we are doing something that the patreons requested.
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<v Speaker 1>about this one.
<v Speaker 2>So we put it out to our patreons. We said, hey, guys,
<v Speaker 2>here's a couple of matchups we got coming up. We like,
<v Speaker 2>what do you think which one would you like to
<v Speaker 2>see first? And the people voted, and today we are
<v Speaker 2>covering Big Versus Twins.
<v Speaker 1>We call it the Big Twins Episode, Ladies and Twins Episode.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna tell you, so, you had not seen
<v Speaker 1>Twins when we started this, right, that is correct. I
<v Speaker 1>watched it for the first time last night.
<v Speaker 2>So my first thought when we had said that, I said,
<v Speaker 2>you know, to myself, I'm like, wow, d is a
<v Speaker 2>Twins virgin. Yeah, And when you said, hey, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>watch it tonight. I was like, tonight is your nye bro,
<v Speaker 2>your nyebrow.
<v Speaker 1>If only it had been the same type of experience
<v Speaker 1>with Kelly Preston exactly, then that's where we could go.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, man, I'm dying to get into this with you, right, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So, Kelly Preston was born in nineteen sixty four.
<v Speaker 2>Let's can we just talk for an hour about Kelly
<v Speaker 2>Preston play.
<v Speaker 1>I really, honestly I had written this, hold On, I
<v Speaker 1>gotta say this, I gotta say this.
<v Speaker 2>So.
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Preston was born October thirteenth, nineteen sixty two, in Honolulu, Hawaii.
<v Speaker 1>Her given name was Kelly Kama lay le Lua Smith.
<v Speaker 1>She would later change it to Preston. Her middle name,
<v Speaker 1>Kama lay lay Lua means a flowering, evergreen garden. And
<v Speaker 1>if I could just go play in the garden of
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Preston's evergreen flowers, I would do it every day.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, we're both in love.
<v Speaker 1>After watching this smoking hot and then I was gonna say,
<v Speaker 1>and that's all that I have to say about Twins.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, we're gonna get into it because this is
<v Speaker 2>a much beloved movie. And before we really dive into it.
<v Speaker 2>We are starting our Summer of eighty eight celebration right exactly.
<v Speaker 2>So here in the next few weeks we're gonna bounce
<v Speaker 2>around a little bit, but we're gonna celebrate the summer
<v Speaker 2>of eighty eight. So this week we'll be covering Big
<v Speaker 2>and Twins. Twins was December of eighty eight. Yeah, a
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks from now, we got Poison open up
<v Speaker 2>and say ah, Living Colors Vivid, and then later it'll
<v Speaker 2>be Cinderella, Long Cold Winter and Know You eight one
<v Speaker 2>two by Van Halen. All came out in the summer
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty eight and gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so you definitely want to stick around. Push that subscribe
<v Speaker 2>button so you don't miss any of those great up episodes.
<v Speaker 1>So summer of eighty eight, you're probably just getting your
<v Speaker 1>driver's license quite I was fifteen fifteen, okay, so I
<v Speaker 1>was twelve going on thirteen, So I'm the same age
<v Speaker 1>as Josh in this movie. As things are happening.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were talking about how the age difference really
<v Speaker 2>kind of plays into the enjoyment of this movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I was not really interested in being a kid or
<v Speaker 2>being an adult I just wanted to drive.
<v Speaker 1>You wanted to drive?
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>Ironically, that's exactly what Tom Hanks said in an interview
<v Speaker 1>during the production of Big. They was like, did you
<v Speaker 1>want to grow up?
<v Speaker 2>And He's like, actually, I just wanted to drive.
<v Speaker 1>That was what I wanted to do. I wasn't I
<v Speaker 1>was having fun. I wasn't trying to go be an adult.
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to be able to have wheels and
<v Speaker 1>maybe some money.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was basically me. Hey, before we
<v Speaker 2>get too far down the road on this, we we
<v Speaker 2>got three little things we got to check off our
<v Speaker 2>list here right yep. So we discussed how the Patreons
<v Speaker 2>actually selected this episode. Yep. For us, I think it
<v Speaker 2>won over Mister Mom versus nine to five, which we
<v Speaker 2>still think is a fantastic episode.
<v Speaker 1>We will cover it.
<v Speaker 2>That's coming down the road at some point.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Another thing I want to throw out a special shout
<v Speaker 2>out to our buddy Jeff Johnson.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Jeff is a good.
<v Speaker 2>Friend of ours. He runs the Film by podcast with
<v Speaker 2>his buddy Brad and they do a super job over there.
<v Speaker 2>If you haven't checked them out, you definitely want to
<v Speaker 2>do that. He sent us a very very special gift
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<v Speaker 2>got done with our Outsiders episode. Yes, okay, we did
<v Speaker 2>et last summer yep, and we did the Outsiders yep.
<v Speaker 2>He bumped into see Thomas Howe backstage at a convention. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>so they talked to him for like fifteen minutes.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. Just got done with the Outsider's episode and
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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And his buddy who was there, said, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>did you you talk about the hit your episode that
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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do? And he said, no, it's too busy
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<v Speaker 2>thought was hilarious. So he sent to you a signed,
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<v Speaker 1>Pony Boy, Thanks, Jeff, I really appreciate it. It's so cool, right,
<v Speaker 1>very cool.
<v Speaker 2>That's and that's now hanging at Shirley Studios.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting here drinking out of my film by
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<v Speaker 1>changes colors exactly, wearing my T shirt that's exactly right.
<v Speaker 2>And then he actually sent me a signed picture from
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<v Speaker 2>Wallace wrote to me. Okay, so I'm a huge fan
<v Speaker 2>of the movie Secret Admirer.
<v Speaker 1>Right to me, it's Kelly Preston.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so to me, that is an overlooked movie from
<v Speaker 2>the eighties. I don't know why it's not listed as
<v Speaker 2>a classic teen comedy. See Thomas Howe, Corey Ham, Laurie Laughlin,
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Preston, d Wallace, fred Ward Cases, Samsco. Full of People. Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>Jeff knew that I was a big fan of Secret Admirers,
<v Speaker 2>So since d Wallace was in that movie, he had
<v Speaker 2>her sign and she just signed this on her own.
<v Speaker 2>It says love you Jason from your not so Secret
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<v Speaker 1>I loved it, you know, Et Baby.
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, onto the podcast. Jason, Yep, you got something,
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<v Speaker 1>We are not talking about die Hard today, but that
<v Speaker 1>is related to what we are talking about because I
<v Speaker 1>discovered as we're doing our research that we typically do
<v Speaker 1>that the young actress who gave the line that Jason
<v Speaker 1>just gave to us is Penny Marshall's freaking daughter. That
<v Speaker 1>blew my mind, dude, and her birth is possibly a
<v Speaker 1>pivotal moment in the life of Penny Marshall that changes
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<v Speaker 2>Really Okay, yeah, what do you got for?
<v Speaker 1>Well, before we get in there, let me just just
<v Speaker 1>to throw back to a film buy. We covered Ghostbusters
<v Speaker 1>two as guests on the film Buy It was back
<v Speaker 1>in November of twenty one. If anybody wants to go
<v Speaker 1>check out that particular episode we talked about Ghostbusters two
<v Speaker 1>when we talked about Ivan Rightman. I listened to it
<v Speaker 1>again today because it's been two years. I needed to
<v Speaker 1>refresh my own recollection of the history of Ivan Rightman,
<v Speaker 1>and so I went back and listened to it. I
<v Speaker 1>encourage you guys to It's so fun. I have such
<v Speaker 1>a good time with Jeff and Brad doing those guest episodes. Yeah. So,
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to rehash the whole history of Ivan
<v Speaker 1>Rightman again since we've already covered in that episode, but
<v Speaker 1>I will give it a brief refresher. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So, Ivan Wrightman's history is pretty freaking interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Like he came over as a little kid as a
<v Speaker 1>stowaway in the bottom of a boat with his family
<v Speaker 1>to escape Czechoslovakia, like it was crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right.
<v Speaker 1>He ends up in Canada, doesn't speak the language, has
<v Speaker 1>to learn to speak the language, ends up going to
<v Speaker 1>college to become a music major. He wanted to be
<v Speaker 1>a composer, but he couldn't find any good, good movies
<v Speaker 1>to put his music to. So he's like, well, I'll
<v Speaker 1>just make my own movies. And so he ends up
<v Speaker 1>making movies and realizes, hey, I'm actually kind of good
<v Speaker 1>at this directing thing. Let's see what else I can do.
<v Speaker 1>And so he directs a student film. It gets it
<v Speaker 1>up in a show, it gets it into one of
<v Speaker 1>the contests one of the festivals that they have, right
<v Speaker 1>and so after he gets the film in the film festival,
<v Speaker 1>he does really well, ends up winning the film festival.
<v Speaker 1>Has a guy come and talk to him afterwards, who's like,
<v Speaker 1>this is actually really good. I was really impressed, and
<v Speaker 1>I work for a major studio, so I just wanted
<v Speaker 1>you to know. And so Ivan Rightman is mister Hutzba like.
<v Speaker 1>He's immediately, well, hey, what do you think about maybe
<v Speaker 1>putting this is like, it's only twenty minutes long. What
<v Speaker 1>if we do like a little pre show for some
<v Speaker 1>movie that you guys are going to release? And he's like, uh, okay,
<v Speaker 1>let me think about it, all.
<v Speaker 2>Right, I'll talk to you, mat I get back to
<v Speaker 2>you on that one.
<v Speaker 1>Right. A few weeks later, young college age Ivan Rightman
<v Speaker 1>is in the office of David Brown and Richard Zanuk
<v Speaker 1>of Fox Studios, the guys who would go on to
<v Speaker 1>produce Jaws, right right, and he's like, Hey, I love
<v Speaker 1>it if you guys just put this as an intro
<v Speaker 1>piece to this new Dustin Hoffman movie that you've got
<v Speaker 1>coming out, and they say, okay, we'll do it. So
<v Speaker 1>Ivan Rightman is a college kid, gets his movie, his
<v Speaker 1>student film, as the opening reel for this big Dustin
<v Speaker 1>hoff I mean Dustin Hoffman, top of his game, right.
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if we put a twenty minute film together and
<v Speaker 1>somebody said, yeah, I'll put this at the beginning of
<v Speaker 1>all of the Tom Cruise movies that are coming out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, that'd be great.
<v Speaker 1>So he does that. I mean, it looks like he's
<v Speaker 1>already just rocketing up the ladder. And then he directs
<v Speaker 1>another movie that's called The Columbus of Sex. Well, as
<v Speaker 1>it turns out, place in Canada that he decides to
<v Speaker 1>air this film is very conservative, and he gets arrested
<v Speaker 1>for pornography. Okay, yeah, So all of a sudden bad
<v Speaker 1>right turn right, you know, oh crap, and then he's like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>I got to make this work. He gets out of
<v Speaker 1>his legal troubles, He's like, I got to make this work.
<v Speaker 1>So he goes into absurd debt making the movie called
<v Speaker 1>Cannibal Girls. Cannibal Girls, right, So he's got this movie
<v Speaker 1>called Cannibal Girls. He's got Eugene Levy in it, yes,
<v Speaker 1>and so it's you know, it's funny and it's horror
<v Speaker 1>and it's raunchy. And he manages it to get it
<v Speaker 1>in the con Film Festival and it's kind of this
<v Speaker 1>wow gorilla operation with him and all his production crew
<v Speaker 1>where they start putting up posters where they're not really
<v Speaker 1>supposed to all over the place to try to get
<v Speaker 1>people to come in to see the movie. Some folks
<v Speaker 1>come in, as it turns out, one of them ends
<v Speaker 1>up being a big producer, and he stops Ivan Wrightman
<v Speaker 1>after he's done watching the movie, like literally like day
<v Speaker 1>before the festival is over, and he's like, hey, I
<v Speaker 1>saw your movie. It might be bad enough that we
<v Speaker 1>could make some money on it. And Ivan Wrightman was like, great,
<v Speaker 1>what do we do?
<v Speaker 2>Sounds awesome?
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, I'm going to this thing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>talk to me tomorrow. Well we'll figure it out. And
<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, how how do I talk to you?
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, Oh, I'm at the DuPont or something,
<v Speaker 1>some big fancy hotel. Just come by ask for me,
<v Speaker 1>and so he evan rightman. Of course, goes by. When
<v Speaker 1>he gets up to the guy's room, there's this it's
<v Speaker 1>a giant penthouse. There's this huge party with all of
<v Speaker 1>these stars, and again, Ivan Wrightman is just this young
<v Speaker 1>twenty something guy.
<v Speaker 2>Just hi, Hey, it's right Redverend, Hey, it's yea.
<v Speaker 1>And so he gets this guy and he's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>he told me to come see He's like, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, we'll get together. I'll
<v Speaker 1>meet you at the studio. And Ivan Ryman's like, can
<v Speaker 1>we do something like now, I'm just a little worried.
<v Speaker 1>And the guy's like, okay, go back in my bedroom
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk. Okay, yeah, right, So he goes back
<v Speaker 1>to the bedroom. It's not anything, you know, not anything
<v Speaker 1>weird like that, but.
<v Speaker 2>Go back in the bedroom, get undressed. I'll be there
<v Speaker 2>in a minute.
<v Speaker 1>And the guy, the guy, the producer, comes back in
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, listen, I tell you what. I'll give
<v Speaker 1>you fifty thousand dollars for it. Keep in mind he's
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand in debt. Right. He goes, I'll give
<v Speaker 1>you fifty thousand dollars for it and a percentage of
<v Speaker 1>the profits. Does that sound good?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 1>Trying to get him out of the right house, right,
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, So Ivan Wrightman says, yeah, do you
<v Speaker 1>mind writing that down? And the guy's like, okay, here,
<v Speaker 1>here's a napkin, all right, fifty thousand dollars and a
<v Speaker 1>certain percentage of the profits. Here you go. And Ivan
<v Speaker 1>Ryman is like, do you mind signing that? And the
<v Speaker 1>guy's like, listen, here is my name, shake my hand.
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you this will be the deal. And sure
<v Speaker 1>enough he follows through with his words.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Cannibal Girls gets released, but the studio is worried about
<v Speaker 1>some particularly scary scenes and some particularly raunchy scenes, so
<v Speaker 1>they do this thing where they put warning bells in
<v Speaker 1>whenever there's a scary scene, Like they literally have a disclaimer.
<v Speaker 1>It's part of the trailer. It's like, this movie is
<v Speaker 1>so scary, we have to warn you before you have
<v Speaker 1>a sexy scene or a scary scene, right, and so literally, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>as the movie is going on, it's like it's like
<v Speaker 1>the harpo Mark's horn is like, and then it shows
<v Speaker 1>the scary scene and then when it's safe, you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like the big bom and you're you know, you
<v Speaker 1>can open your eyes again and watch whatever's going crazy
<v Speaker 1>and Ivan Rymond's like, this is kind of killing all
<v Speaker 1>the surprise in the movie, and they're like, dude, that
<v Speaker 1>is not why people are coming to watch this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Just trust us, and you know, history is made. He
<v Speaker 1>goes on and he starts his own theater company, he
<v Speaker 1>starts his own TV production company.
<v Speaker 2>So, for those who don't know, Ivan Rightman did meat Balls, YEP, Stripes, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Bolt with Bill Murray. Yeah, And of course later he
<v Speaker 2>does this little movie called Ghostbusters. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I might have heard of it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. From there, I mean he did Kindergarten Cop and Twins,
<v Speaker 2>which we're going to talk about today Junior with Danny
<v Speaker 2>DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Again. Yeah, So he's had a
<v Speaker 2>really really successful.
<v Speaker 1>Movie career, right, I mean Ghostbusters is the big atomic
<v Speaker 1>bomb for his career for sure. Right, there's just no question, absolutely,
<v Speaker 1>And that was nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>David Wright write that down and I have this ongoing
<v Speaker 2>argument about what the best year in movies is.
<v Speaker 1>So right, So now this movie, this Ivan Wrightman movie
<v Speaker 1>that we're about to talk about, didn't come along until
<v Speaker 1>a few years later in nineteen eighty eight, year before
<v Speaker 1>Ghostbusters two came out.
<v Speaker 2>That's correct.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how did he get this movie? I don't
<v Speaker 1>know the answer to that yet, but I can tell you.
<v Speaker 1>You've also got a story with the writers. Okay. So
<v Speaker 1>the writers on this, we've got two teams of guys. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So one of them is a British set of partners
<v Speaker 1>and one of them is an American set of partners. Okay, okay.
<v Speaker 1>So the British writing team is William Davies and William Osborne.
<v Speaker 1>This is their first significant screenplay. I mean they have,
<v Speaker 1>you know, a little bit of work, but really they
<v Speaker 1>came over from England. Now, William Osborne was a barrister,
<v Speaker 1>like he was, went to Cambridge Law school, became a barrister.
<v Speaker 1>But then he and his buddy William Davies says, you
<v Speaker 1>know what, let's go to California and write movies. And
<v Speaker 1>he's like, okay. The only preparation that they made before
<v Speaker 1>they went out to California was that they bought the
<v Speaker 1>book screenplay and read it five times. That is it. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>no other experience did they have. They came out to
<v Speaker 1>la and started writing and this is their first movie.
<v Speaker 1>Now they would go on to do the Johnny English franchise,
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of animated hits, Flushed Away, How to Train
<v Speaker 1>Your Dragon, Puss in Boots, most recently lyle Lyle Crocodile,
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know if that's good or not.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, well, those are big titles in that world.
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure. If you don't have kids, just let
<v Speaker 1>me tell you. Those are CDs or DVDs that are
<v Speaker 1>in a parents catalog at my house. Yep. Right, And
<v Speaker 1>also this is hilarious. William Davies also co wrote Stop
<v Speaker 1>or My Mom Will Shoot with mister Blake Snyder of
<v Speaker 1>Save the Cat.
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. Okay, there's a whole backstory with that with Ernold
<v Speaker 2>Schwarzenegger and sylves Alone.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, exactly exactly. And then just a side note,
<v Speaker 1>just a relative. William davies brother, Michael Davies is the
<v Speaker 1>guy who brought U Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
<v Speaker 1>to TV.
<v Speaker 2>It's just an interesting, small little show there you go.
<v Speaker 1>Might have heard of it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Now the American team is a couple of guys named
<v Speaker 1>Timothy Harris and Herschel wind Guard. Okay, okay, these are
<v Speaker 1>the guys who wrote Trading Places. Nice, yes, and that was,
<v Speaker 1>so they have, They've got a few movies under the belt.
<v Speaker 1>They did Trading Places, they did Brewsters Millions. They would
<v Speaker 1>go on to do Kindergarten cop again with Ivan Wrightman
<v Speaker 1>and Arnold Schwarzenegger. But I didn't even realize this when
<v Speaker 1>we cover Trading Places. Did you know that it was
<v Speaker 1>nominated for an OSCAR for Best Original Screenplay? I think
<v Speaker 1>we com Yeah, yes, I totally missed that. Wow, there
<v Speaker 1>you go. Not only are they based on three Stooges skits,
<v Speaker 1>but they are nominated for Oscars. So these four guys
<v Speaker 1>are the writers behind Twins. So you told me you
<v Speaker 1>know the story of how it becomes the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Well, so I've got a little bit on this.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ivan Rightman, and Robin Williams are all
<v Speaker 2>at dinner in Snowmas, Colorado, and I think this is
<v Speaker 2>like Winter of nineteen eighty four. Okay, Now, that's a
<v Speaker 2>big year for Ivan Rightman because Ghostbusters was everywhere, and
<v Speaker 2>Arnold had just done The Terminator, and of course Rob
<v Speaker 2>Williams was already a star with Morganmindy and a million
<v Speaker 2>other movies, right right, So they're all sitting around dinner talking, drinking, eating,
<v Speaker 2>having a good time, and Ivan Rightman is laughing and
<v Speaker 2>he's like he turns to Arnold, He's like, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>you're a funny guy, and Arnold said funny. How like funny?
<v Speaker 2>Like no, he did take you laugh. I'm here to
<v Speaker 2>amuse you. So Ivan Rightman is just like, no, you're
<v Speaker 2>really funny. We need to see this on the screen.
<v Speaker 2>And arnld Schwarzenegger's like, well, thank you. He's like, there
<v Speaker 2>is a funny side to my personality, yeah, but nobody
<v Speaker 2>will let me express it. Like because I'm the action
<v Speaker 2>hero guy, I'm not a comedian, but I do like
<v Speaker 2>to be funny. And Ivan Rightman is like, dude, we
<v Speaker 2>have got to figure out a way to get your
<v Speaker 2>comedic side on the big screen. Ars Schwartz was like, great,
<v Speaker 2>I would love to be directed by you, So let's
<v Speaker 2>do this. Let's figure out a way. And so I
<v Speaker 2>was like okay. So he came back to him with
<v Speaker 2>five ideas and they laid them all out and Arnold's like,
<v Speaker 2>this is the best one. Like I think this one
<v Speaker 2>right here twins would be the funniest, has the potential
<v Speaker 2>to be really funny, and Ivan Rightman's like, well, who
<v Speaker 2>do you do you think would be your twin and
<v Speaker 2>Arnold schwarzenergraph it says Danny DeVito because physically they're opposites,
<v Speaker 2>right and Ivan Rightman's like, that's a great idea, I know, Danny,
<v Speaker 2>let me call him right now.
<v Speaker 1>Perfect.
<v Speaker 2>And so from that they go and they all have
<v Speaker 2>dinner together and they sit around the table and they
<v Speaker 2>talk about it and said wonderful, brainstorming, lots of funny ideas, Arnold, Danny,
<v Speaker 2>Ivan Rightman, and they said, let's do this. And so
<v Speaker 2>they all signed a napkin basically said I'm agreeing to
<v Speaker 2>do this project called Twins. Danny DeVito still has that
<v Speaker 2>napkins like signing in his living room.
<v Speaker 1>Cool story, right, absolutely, so Arnold is telling him, hey,
<v Speaker 1>nobody's ever given me the chance to be funny, that's right, right, yes,
<v Speaker 1>And even on Wikipedia it says, and I quote notably,
<v Speaker 1>this was Arnold Schwarzenegger's first time starring in a major comedy. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>I pointed out to you that that's a bunch of baloney.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, tell me about this.
<v Speaker 1>So when I was a kid, there was a show
<v Speaker 1>that used to come in all the time. My dad
<v Speaker 1>thought it was funny.
<v Speaker 2>I watched it.
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was funny. It's got Kirk Douglas, Okay
<v Speaker 1>and Margaret and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And it came out in
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, nine years before Twins.
<v Speaker 2>What is what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 1>This movie is called The Villain The.
<v Speaker 2>Old West where the villain were shy?
<v Speaker 3>Do you mind taking hold of these police chop.
<v Speaker 2>The Indians where restless?
<v Speaker 3>And the villains for the heroes of the day Kirk
<v Speaker 3>Douglas and Margaret, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Foster Brooks, mel Tillis, Ruth
<v Speaker 3>Buzzy and Paul linked in The villain lated.
<v Speaker 1>Peg or if you happen to be from anywhere besides
<v Speaker 1>the United States, you might know it as Cactus Jack.
<v Speaker 1>But Kirk Douglas plays a villain cowboy like a black
<v Speaker 1>bart mustache twirling dressed in black who is going after
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Swartzenigger and and Margaret as they are making their
<v Speaker 1>journey on a horse drawn carriage. Arnold is literally dressed
<v Speaker 1>in the same clothes that the old Lone Ranger used
<v Speaker 1>to wear, like it's the blue shear tied at the
<v Speaker 1>top costume. Okay, and it is a balls out comedy.
<v Speaker 1>That is, it is an homage to all things Looney Tune.
<v Speaker 1>And when I say it's an homage, there's characters named
<v Speaker 1>Avery Simpson and Parody Jones, which, of course the two
<v Speaker 1>big guys from Looney Tunes biggest guys tex Avery and
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Jones. Right. Avery Jones played by Jack Elam.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the guy from Canniball Run.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and Parody Jones is played by Strother Martin who
<v Speaker 1>is a huge cowboy guy. But Canniball Run is important
<v Speaker 1>because the director of the villain was how Needham himself.
<v Speaker 2>How Needham smoking the band a Canniball Run.
<v Speaker 1>The stuntman exact Cooper.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And just to be clear on how much of a
<v Speaker 1>dedication to the Looney Tunes catalog this is, I was.
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty confident, and it's been a couple decades since
<v Speaker 1>I've seen the movie. There's a part where Kirk Douglas
<v Speaker 1>paints a cave on the side of a wall and
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Schwartzenigger and a Margaret drive their carriage straight through
<v Speaker 1>the cave, and then Kirk Douglas swings down and smashes
<v Speaker 1>his face into the rock painted.
<v Speaker 2>Like a cave, the old paint the rock trick.
<v Speaker 1>They even had Mel Tillis in it to be the
<v Speaker 1>stutter and kind of porky pig character. At one point,
<v Speaker 1>mel Tillis says to Arnold Swartznigger, you talk funny, and
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Swarzenigger says that that's easy for you to say.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, Hey, mel Tillis is
<v Speaker 2>in a movie. We're getting ready to cover every which
<v Speaker 2>way but loose.
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I'm so excited about it.
<v Speaker 2>And he sings like an angel.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I love it. I love it. Be sure
<v Speaker 1>and stay tuned, Hit the subscribe button, hit the follow button,
<v Speaker 1>because Jason and I just happen to find that we
<v Speaker 1>love these two crazy old Clint Eastwood knockoff of the
<v Speaker 1>Burt Reynolds Smoky in the End of Fame. We love
<v Speaker 1>these movies and we're just we just said, heck with
<v Speaker 1>whatever we got scheduled market on it, we're doing this.
<v Speaker 1>So go check out that movie. I can't promise that
<v Speaker 1>it's good. It ranks in the five so like it's
<v Speaker 1>gets I got a five point two on IMDb and
<v Speaker 1>it was an absolute financial failure. I think that is
<v Speaker 1>The reason that is known by another name in all
<v Speaker 1>other countries besides the US is because they're like, well,
<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll have more successfully rename it practice to Jack.
<v Speaker 1>That didn't work either, It was it was dismal. So
<v Speaker 1>what happens is that the studio is like, Arnold's never
<v Speaker 1>been a part of a comedy, and they're like, oh wait,
<v Speaker 1>the villain, and like, okay, they've he's never been a
<v Speaker 1>part of a comedy. That's good, right, and so they
<v Speaker 1>don't want to finance the movie.
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. So here's the deal. When they're sitting
<v Speaker 2>at dinner with Ivan Wrightman, Danny DeVito, and r Schwitzenegger,
<v Speaker 2>they all agree they're not going to take a salary.
<v Speaker 2>They are actually the ones taking the risk. So no
<v Speaker 2>studio really wanted to do a comedy with arn Swarzenegger.
<v Speaker 2>Think about in nineteen eighty eight. This is pre kindergarten
<v Speaker 2>cop this is pre junior, this is this is the
<v Speaker 2>Conen and Terminator days, and you know Predator, right, So
<v Speaker 2>they all agree, no salary, They're just gonna get a
<v Speaker 2>percentage of the back end. Yeah, okay, Well it turns
<v Speaker 2>out Twins made over two hundred million dollars. When it
<v Speaker 2>all figured out, his percentage plus whatever comes up to
<v Speaker 2>be thirty five million dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>They sit around and they talk about how this was
<v Speaker 2>the best decision they ever made financially for Ivan Reitman,
<v Speaker 2>Danny DeVito, and Arne Schwarzenegger. It was fantastic and in fact,
<v Speaker 2>it became such a historic deal the studio. They will
<v Speaker 2>never do that again. Right, they just sat there and
<v Speaker 2>watched these guys just rake in money.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, let's jump over to big. Transition back to Big, the.
<v Speaker 3>Space goes Downtown Babe, Downtown Sweet Sweet Babe, Sweet sweet.
<v Speaker 2>Tlemic Chimmi, Shimmy Cocoa, Chimi Shimmy rock chim Coco about
<v Speaker 2>Chimmi shim rot Ah Man a girlfriend a triscu, She said,
<v Speaker 2>get a biscuit. Ice couln't sort o sell what?
<v Speaker 1>Then the seats ten times I said, I call my
<v Speaker 1>mama's crowd cool.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sucking a.
<v Speaker 2>Stem three more times.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now it has to be said from the outset.
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty eight and late nineteen eighty seven, YEP, was
<v Speaker 1>the time period with little boys in men's bodies.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was kind of for whatever reason, there was
<v Speaker 2>a trend there where four movies came out right around
<v Speaker 2>this time. Yeah, with the same sort of premises Big.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So let's let's talk about it, because all of
<v Speaker 1>these movies except for Big have a Freaky Friday style
<v Speaker 1>to them, right. I mean, if you don't know what
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, Freaky Friday's movie that came out in
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, and it's where they both make the wish
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I wish it could be young again,
<v Speaker 1>I wish it could be old, and they switch bodies, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And so in nineteen eighty seven, four studios at the
<v Speaker 1>same time say we want to revisit that, except let's
<v Speaker 1>make them guys instead of girls. Right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So you had Like Father, Like Son, which came out
<v Speaker 2>in October of eighty seven.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Like Father, Like Son is the one with Kirk
<v Speaker 1>Cameron and Dudley Moore, that's right. Okay, so eighty seven,
<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cameron is at the top of his fame. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>the key's the poster on Every Girl's wall in Every.
<v Speaker 2>Girl, Mister Tiger Beat.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure, Like that movie's that guarantee success.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, we talked about this movie in a
<v Speaker 2>previous episode, did we because it features two songs off
<v Speaker 2>of Girls, Girls Girls by Molly Crue.
<v Speaker 1>I did not remember that. Yes, yes, okay, like father,
<v Speaker 1>like son, Dudley Moore, I mean he Dudley Moore is
<v Speaker 1>doing all right in the eighties, of course, Arthur funny
<v Speaker 1>drunk guy.
<v Speaker 2>All right, go yeah. Then you have eighteen again.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, eighteen again is the one with George Burns. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and the Ferris Bueller got from the TV show Firs Bueller.
<v Speaker 2>You exactly right?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, what's that dude's name.
<v Speaker 2>David later later? Yes?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, good, yes, good, good for us to
<v Speaker 1>remember that.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, wait to go, okay, and then you have vice
<v Speaker 2>versa remember that one?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so that was Judge Reinhold and Fred Savage again,
<v Speaker 1>a guy who's I mean an up and coming star. Right,
<v Speaker 1>of course one should have been huge as well, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Judge reyan Holds fresh off of Beverly Hills
<v Speaker 2>Cop Yeah, fast time it's originally high. Yeah, he's an
<v Speaker 2>up and coming movie star.
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you I saw every single one of
<v Speaker 1>these movies at the theater. Laughed at every single one
<v Speaker 1>of these movies. Now, keep in mind I was eleven
<v Speaker 1>and twelve, but I enjoyed them. I mean I can
<v Speaker 1>remember after eighteen again seeing Schlater whatever, David Schlater doing
<v Speaker 1>his George Burns impression, going that guy is a brilliant actor.
<v Speaker 1>Like I can remember having that conversation like this is
<v Speaker 1>so good. Yeah, yeah, So tell me how did these movies?
<v Speaker 1>How'd they rank? How they fall?
<v Speaker 2>Well, so here you go, fu like, Fatherlikes Son is
<v Speaker 2>a five point two, eighteen again is a five point
<v Speaker 2>seven vice versus a five point nine. But let's not
<v Speaker 2>forget there was a TV movie called fourteen Going On thirty,
<v Speaker 2>which came out in March of eighty eight.
<v Speaker 1>So you throw that into the fourteen Going on thirty,
<v Speaker 1>fourteen going on thirty, not thirteen going on third.
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Gardan, No, this is another TV movie that came
<v Speaker 2>out right at the same time as all this stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just for whatever reason, it's a trend.
<v Speaker 1>Everybody thought now's the time to do this, and so.
<v Speaker 2>The last one at the table is big. Thankfully that
<v Speaker 2>one actually got nominated for Oscars, I know.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so before we get there, all right, so this
<v Speaker 1>is this is great. It's it's so interesting that you've
<v Speaker 1>got all of the I mean, just to imagine all
<v Speaker 1>of these similar style movies all coming out, most of
<v Speaker 1>them with phenomenally big stars, and then you've got big
<v Speaker 1>which I mean Tom Hanks was not the Tom Hanks.
<v Speaker 2>Yet this is what made him the Tom Hanks.
<v Speaker 1>It is exactly what made him the Tom Hanks. And
<v Speaker 1>he did it. I mean, you can't give credit to
<v Speaker 1>anybody but himself. I mean, Penny Marshall obviously did a
<v Speaker 1>great movie. But let's let me back up. I'm getting
<v Speaker 1>We're into the movie and I haven't gone the history yet.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Okay, so I gave you the history in Hivan, rightman,
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the history a little bit on Penny Marshall. Right, okay.
<v Speaker 1>So so Penny Marshall grew up in the Bronx, right, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>She had an older brother and an older sister. Older
<v Speaker 1>brother's name is Gary Marshall. You've probably heard of him.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely heard of him.
<v Speaker 1>The sister's name was Ronnie. They both end up going
<v Speaker 1>into television. Gary Marshall writes for like the Dick Van
<v Speaker 1>Dyke Show, a whole bunch whole slew of these other things.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Ronnie is also in television production doing work.
<v Speaker 1>When Penny is born, our given name is Carol Any.
<v Speaker 1>They had changed it to Marshall at this point.
<v Speaker 2>They you know, an americanization of an Italian name. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Well, her first name Carol was because her mother loved
<v Speaker 1>Carol Lombard, the actress. Okay. Her middle name Penny was
<v Speaker 1>because her older sister Ronnie thought they were getting a
<v Speaker 1>horse and was saving her pennies to get a horse.
<v Speaker 1>And when they're like, we're not getting a horse, but
<v Speaker 1>we'll name her Penny if that makes you feel better.
<v Speaker 1>Somehow a little big sister Ronnie felt better that they
<v Speaker 1>were going to give her the middle name Penny. But
<v Speaker 1>of course she ends up going by that middle name, right.
<v Speaker 2>Sure.
<v Speaker 1>She grew up at thirty two thirty five Grand Concourse
<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx, Which why does that matter. I'll tell
<v Speaker 1>you why because here are some other people who grew
<v Speaker 1>up in that building, same building, in the Bronx. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Neil Simon, the odd couple of course, ye, Calvin Klein
<v Speaker 1>and Ralph Lauren. Wow, all of these guys and Penny
<v Speaker 1>Marshall all grew up not at the same time, but
<v Speaker 1>all his children grew up in thirty two to thirty
<v Speaker 1>five Grand Concourse in the Bronx.
<v Speaker 2>Calvin Klein made Marty Mcli's underwear. That's fantastic, all in
<v Speaker 2>the same building. Yeah, and so she's got she's got
<v Speaker 2>this interesting religious history. Gary was christened in the Episcopal Church, okay,
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie was christened Lutheran, and Penny was the Congregational Church.
<v Speaker 2>And basically, why you know, three siblings all with different churches.
<v Speaker 2>And she said, well, my mom was a piano player
<v Speaker 2>and so basically she needed places to do recitals. And
<v Speaker 2>so if they had a place for her to practice
<v Speaker 2>and give recitals, we joined the church. So Penny ends
<v Speaker 2>up going to college, is there for two and a
<v Speaker 2>half years, but then gets pregnant with what ends up
<v Speaker 2>being a daughter that they named Tracy Okay, who then
<v Speaker 2>goes on to have a bit part in a movie
<v Speaker 2>called Diehard. You know what college she went to, tell me,
<v Speaker 2>University of New Mexico from the Bronx. Yeah, you know
<v Speaker 2>why she went there? No, because her father wanted her
<v Speaker 2>to lose her Brooklyn accent. She's like, it didn't.
<v Speaker 1>Work, that's hilarious. So she two and a half years
<v Speaker 1>into college, drops out to marry the father of Tracy,
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Michael Henry. They are only married for
<v Speaker 1>about three years. This is nineteen sixty six. They get
<v Speaker 1>a divorce. She's like teaching dance classes, not sure what
<v Speaker 1>to do. But Gary and Ronnie are both in television.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, hey, come out to La, we'll put you
<v Speaker 1>to work. Yeah, And so she goes out there. She
<v Speaker 1>does some help for them. Her first that's a terrible,
<v Speaker 1>wonderful story.
<v Speaker 2>Her first acting job was a head and Shoulders commercial. Okay, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>all right, good start.
<v Speaker 1>Her part was the girl who had the stringy, unattractive hair,
<v Speaker 1>uh huh and the girl who had the beautiful bouncy hair.
<v Speaker 1>Farah Fawcet Mercy.
<v Speaker 2>Shampoo. Got a roommate. Can't you have it by your
<v Speaker 2>own stuff?
<v Speaker 1>Ouch. So she's in the midst of, you know, they're
<v Speaker 1>filming the commercial and they have stand ins, and she
<v Speaker 1>notices that her stand ins placard says homely girl, and
<v Speaker 1>that the other girls that Fara Fawcett's stand ins placard
<v Speaker 1>says pretty girl. And Fara Facet sees her looking kind
<v Speaker 1>of like dismal about this, and so to help the situation,
<v Speaker 1>Fara facet goes over and crosses out the word homely
<v Speaker 1>and writes plain its thank you, thanks Parah.
<v Speaker 2>Know what I think you think you look adorable? Not
<v Speaker 2>just that, Hun, I think your shampoo did a terrific
<v Speaker 2>sexy number on my hair.
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad. Now you could buy the head and shoulders.
<v Speaker 2>We're out, Okay, gonna buy some money in fairness, fair
<v Speaker 2>of face, I mean. She would go on to be
<v Speaker 2>one of the most beautiful women in the.
<v Speaker 1>World, especially known for her bouncy hair, among other things.
<v Speaker 1>So she gets other acting parts, one of which is
<v Speaker 1>a reoccurring role of miRNA as the secretary on the
<v Speaker 1>TV series The Odd Couple. So it all comes back
<v Speaker 1>full circle, right yep. And then pivotal moment in television history.
<v Speaker 1>Her brother casts her and Cindy Williams as two loudmouth,
<v Speaker 1>obnoxious brewery workers to go on a date with Arthur
<v Speaker 1>Fonzarelli and Richie Cunningham. Yes, Gary Marshall is the creator
<v Speaker 1>of the TV series Happy Days, and because when they
<v Speaker 1>do this episode November eleventh of nineteen seventy five, if
<v Speaker 1>you care to go back and check it out, all right,
<v Speaker 1>it's called a date with Phonsie, and if you remember
<v Speaker 1>every time before the before Happy Days starts, they stay
<v Speaker 1>filmed before a live studio audience. Yes, the studio audience's
<v Speaker 1>reaction to the characters named Laverne and Shirley was so
<v Speaker 1>strong that it caused them to start their own show.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. Yeah, I got something for you. You know
<v Speaker 2>who else got their start on Happy Days? Tell me,
<v Speaker 2>mister Tom Hanks.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, the karate episode.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. I loved that.
<v Speaker 1>I love that. That's fantastic. There you go, kicks Phonsie
<v Speaker 1>through the freaking playing glass window in the back of
<v Speaker 1>Owl's restaurant. That's it. I can't believe it.
<v Speaker 2>You got it. So they've been friends a long time yep.
<v Speaker 1>She Interestingly, another big show for the Networks at that
<v Speaker 1>time was a show called Taxi. It's absolutely starring, among others,
<v Speaker 1>Tony Danza. You got Danny DeVito, Danny DeVito, Christopher Lloyd.
<v Speaker 1>So ro back to twins. She and Danny DeVito both
<v Speaker 1>in Taxi at the same time. There you go interesting
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, right, So she stars obviously in Laverne
<v Speaker 1>and Shirley. That spins off. I mean, talk about Gary
<v Speaker 1>Marshall and a string of its. He gets Happy Days,
<v Speaker 1>he gets Laverne and Shirley, and then the spinoff from
<v Speaker 1>that is Morecan Mendy Robin Williams.
<v Speaker 2>Who is at the dinner table with Ivid Ryman and Arswitzlan.
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what I was thinking. And so she's got
<v Speaker 1>success as an actress, and then she kind of tests
<v Speaker 1>the waters by directing a few episodes of Laverne and Shirley.
<v Speaker 1>She directs some other TV episodes, and then in the
<v Speaker 1>early eighties, she gets the opportunity to direct Peggy's Who
<v Speaker 1>Got Married, but she had creative differences with the writers
<v Speaker 1>and she bails.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know who they got to direct that one? Instead,
<v Speaker 2>tell me Francis Ford Coppola with Nick Cage. Yep, you
<v Speaker 2>know what she ends up doing. Instead of that, She
<v Speaker 2>has a friend named Woopy Goldberg. Yeah, who says, I'm
<v Speaker 2>doing this movie project, Why don't you come direct me
<v Speaker 2>in this movie? Yeah, it's called Jump and jack Ah.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's what it's called.
<v Speaker 2>Yes and would be. Goldberg eventually becomes a big star,
<v Speaker 2>and this is kind of a stepping point for her.
<v Speaker 1>It's stepping point for both of them. And so this
<v Speaker 1>is Jumping Jack. Flash was Penny Marshall's first movie, her
<v Speaker 1>second movie, Big Big. Okay, so this is the first
<v Speaker 1>screenplay for a couple of people. Okay, the two writers
<v Speaker 1>on this movie. The writers are number one. Gary Ross
<v Speaker 1>ends up being neighbors to a woman that you might
<v Speaker 1>have heard of. Her name is ann Spielberg and Spielberg.
<v Speaker 1>She has a very famous father. His name is Arnold Spielberg.
<v Speaker 1>He was an electrical engineer for Ge. He invented several
<v Speaker 1>very important computer things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>One of which, being a restaurant guy like you are,
<v Speaker 1>you probably know, is the computer controlled point of sale. Yeah, folks,
<v Speaker 1>if you know you're in a restaurant and they're bringing
<v Speaker 1>you up on a computer, that is the responsibility of
<v Speaker 1>Arnold Spielberg and Spielberg's dad. So that's her famous relative
<v Speaker 1>that we can talk about is that it is well
<v Speaker 1>and here's another interesting story. Or he went over to
<v Speaker 1>Moscow at some point and it just so happened that
<v Speaker 1>this was right when the powers thing was going on
<v Speaker 1>with the B fifty two, and so like he gets
<v Speaker 1>pulled up, you know, the Russian guy knows he's American,
<v Speaker 1>and he gets pulled up and he kind of yells
<v Speaker 1>at him about this is what your country is doing
<v Speaker 1>to us and all this other stuff, and that actually
<v Speaker 1>becomes the subject of a movie called Bridge of Spies,
<v Speaker 1>which stars.
<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks and is directed by who is the director
<v Speaker 2>on that one? That would be Steven Spielberg.
<v Speaker 1>Oh so is he related to Anne and Arnold?
<v Speaker 2>That's her brother. There you go, Steven Spielberg. And in fact,
<v Speaker 2>think with me in this alternate world, uh huh, where
<v Speaker 2>Anne Spielberg writes a screenplay, maybe she gives it to
<v Speaker 2>her brother Steven, who decides, you know what, I think,
<v Speaker 2>I like this story. I'm going to make this movie
<v Speaker 2>with Harrison Ford as Josh. Right. That was actually on
<v Speaker 2>the table at one point.
<v Speaker 1>That was probably the first thing and what would have
<v Speaker 1>seemed like the most likely thing at the point at
<v Speaker 1>that point, right, absolutely, And you asked me, You're like,
<v Speaker 1>what happens if this movie? Is it going to be
<v Speaker 1>as good if it's directed by Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford?
<v Speaker 1>And I said absolutely not, Absolutely not. I think Spielberg
<v Speaker 1>would have pulled it off, but it wouldn't have been right.
<v Speaker 1>It would have been to Hollywood. And I think that
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Ford would have screwed it up. He's an old
<v Speaker 1>grumpy codger. He came out of the womb, an old
<v Speaker 1>grumpy coder with a stubble on his face. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's just he cannot play childlike sweet, which is what
<v Speaker 1>you need for this part in this movie.
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. Harrison Ford has never been a kid. No,
<v Speaker 2>So this project bounced around between famous directors, right and
<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg. So he had a son named Max at
<v Speaker 2>the time, needed a bail. Plus he really didn't want
<v Speaker 2>to steal his sister's thunder on this deal. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>it was offered to Frank Oz, Richard Donner, w Amy Heckerling,
<v Speaker 2>John Hughes, what yeah, wow, Ivan Reitman shut up. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's great and lands with Marshall.
<v Speaker 1>How does that happen?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess when everybody else says no, you end
<v Speaker 2>up with who's left by the way.
<v Speaker 1>Just a side note, Yeah, this is the first movie
<v Speaker 1>directed by a woman to earn more than one hundred
<v Speaker 1>million dollars one.
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible. It's groundbreaking.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I told you. I can remember her acceptance speech
<v Speaker 1>at the Oscars where she was like, well, there were
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of these movies. I don't know why
<v Speaker 1>this one's better, but thanks.
<v Speaker 2>She's so funny, she's hilarious.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks says, if you want to imitate Penny Marshall,
<v Speaker 2>just clinched her tooth together and ACTI pist all the time.
<v Speaker 2>So Penny Marshall got the script. No studio wanted to
<v Speaker 2>do this movie, right, Here's what jump started the project. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Robert de Niro was looking for a commercial project, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and he said, hey, I'll do this movie. And so
<v Speaker 2>when Robert de Niro at that time says I want
<v Speaker 2>to do something cute and funny and mainstream, They're like, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>mister DeNiro, you want to do this, we'll green light it,
<v Speaker 2>we'll get a going. And he signed on for like
<v Speaker 2>two weeks later says, you know what, this is not working.
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't feel right now.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is he would go on to do A
<v Speaker 1>Young Boy inside of an Old Man's Body with Annie
<v Speaker 1>Marshall just a couple years later when they do Awakenings.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, go check out the film by episode
<v Speaker 1>on Awakenings. It's fantastic, But in this one, it's more
<v Speaker 1>it's a true story and it's a kid who went
<v Speaker 1>comatose basically as a ten or eleven year old and
<v Speaker 1>then wakes up in an old man's body, an old
<v Speaker 1>man's body.
<v Speaker 2>Y that's exactly right. By the way I heard, I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to verify this young Josh and Billy. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>they had crisscrossed them, like they had hired Billy to
<v Speaker 2>play young Robert de Niro, and when he dropped out
<v Speaker 2>of the project and Tom Hanks came aboard, Yeah, they
<v Speaker 2>flip flopped those kids.
<v Speaker 1>Those kids. Let me just say this, those kids are
<v Speaker 1>a key element to this movie, right, Yeah. I mean
<v Speaker 1>Tom Hanks doesn't appear until the movie's been going on
<v Speaker 1>for maybe it's ten minutes before he shows up, right,
<v Speaker 1>But in the first seven minutes you fall in love
<v Speaker 1>with Josh Paskins.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so important to love the kid.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you the credits are going by, like
<v Speaker 1>you're seeing directed by, edited by, written by, all of
<v Speaker 1>these things going by, as Josh and Billy are having
<v Speaker 1>a great time and Josh is living the life of
<v Speaker 1>a kid that every single adult watching the movie is
<v Speaker 1>going Yeah, I remember that. I remember what that was
<v Speaker 1>like being in love with the blonde, pretty girl and
<v Speaker 1>wondering why she has such a dweeby brother, you know,
<v Speaker 1>just getting all of those emotions whenever you see her,
<v Speaker 1>and then the mortification that comes along with your dad
<v Speaker 1>and an alligator hat and your mom taking pictures at
<v Speaker 1>the fair waving right right, Josh, and then that doubled
<v Speaker 1>by the fact that you can't get on the ride
<v Speaker 1>because you're too small.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's talk about that for just a second. Okay, Right,
<v Speaker 2>So this is a fair Kernival type of atmosphere, which
<v Speaker 2>I loved at that age, right, the mobile roller coasters
<v Speaker 2>that would show up, and the tilted worlds and the
<v Speaker 2>funny stuff and the carneies that would run this thing.
<v Speaker 2>It was all very sketch, but it was super fun
<v Speaker 2>as a kid at that age. Okay, Yeah, One of
<v Speaker 2>the least believable parts of Big is the fact that
<v Speaker 2>this guy would not let Josh ride this roller coaster
<v Speaker 2>because he was not tall enough. Those carnies could have
<v Speaker 2>cared less what you did.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, I don't know. I've had some kids denied
<v Speaker 1>because they were too short and we're like, come on,
<v Speaker 1>she's like three milimeters there, Like, I'm sorry, it's rules,
<v Speaker 1>it's safety. We won't do it. So I felt his pain.
<v Speaker 1>I identified with him because I was his same age
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't short, but I understood being kind of
<v Speaker 1>in love with the older at that age frequently taller
<v Speaker 1>young girl.
<v Speaker 2>And she turns to him, she invites him in line
<v Speaker 2>with her. Yeah, He's like, whoo, here we go. And
<v Speaker 2>then she's like, hey, here's my boyfriend. He drives, He
<v Speaker 2>drives like that is all you need right there?
<v Speaker 3>Right? Ah?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So those two kids playing in those parts for
<v Speaker 1>that first seven and a half half minutes of the
<v Speaker 1>movie is key, and they delivered it so perfect, so
<v Speaker 1>well done. Tom Hanks gets tons of credit, but those
<v Speaker 1>kids definitely deserve credit for this too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely. Just on a little side note, do you
<v Speaker 2>know that this is one of only three movies that
<v Speaker 2>drop the F bomb and still maintain their PG rating.
<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten about that.
<v Speaker 2>Who you think you are?
<v Speaker 3>Hurt? They are?
<v Speaker 2>Josh Baskin? Remember you broke your arm on my roof
<v Speaker 2>in my basement with Robert? Did look get it to you?
<v Speaker 2>This is important?
<v Speaker 1>This is it's it's Moscow that drops the line, right
<v Speaker 1>he does, Billy.
<v Speaker 2>Who the F do you think you are?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>And it's a super important moment in the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And now, by the way, I'm three months older
<v Speaker 1>than you. Ale. Yeah, these are all things that I
<v Speaker 1>didn't notice as a kid, But then when I'm watching
<v Speaker 1>it with my own kids, I'm like, what.
<v Speaker 2>There are three movies rated PG says the F word Spaceballs,
<v Speaker 2>which we covered, Yeah, Flashback Spaceballs. Yeah, caddye Scheck too,
<v Speaker 2>which is one of the worst movies of all time.
<v Speaker 2>It came out in summer of nineteen eighty eight.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And then Beatle Juice. Of course we ready to talk
<v Speaker 2>cast Let's do it, Okay. So the characters in Twins,
<v Speaker 2>you have Julius Benedict and you have his brother Vincent.
<v Speaker 1>My name is Julius, and I'm your twin brother. Oh.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, the moment I sat down, I thought I was
<v Speaker 2>looking into a mirror.
<v Speaker 1>Let's let me just stop you right there, because you
<v Speaker 1>sent me this little golden nugget early on in our research,
<v Speaker 1>and my mind was frigging blown, and I'm gonna steal
<v Speaker 1>it from you. I'm just gonna steal it. Hey, I
<v Speaker 1>don't care.
<v Speaker 2>I have given it to you.
<v Speaker 1>This is this is Jason's gold that I am sharing
<v Speaker 1>with reci you right. So the characters' names in this
<v Speaker 1>are Julius and Vincent, Jules and Vincent. If you will
<v Speaker 1>uh huh. And if those two names, said like that
<v Speaker 1>don't spring a little trigger in your brain, then you
<v Speaker 1>are not a big enough Tarantino fan, because that is
<v Speaker 1>the name of John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson's characters
<v Speaker 1>in pulp Fiction.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I love sharing this sorry with my friends. I've done
<v Speaker 1>it multiple times since you told me, right, And I'm like, so,
<v Speaker 1>do we just think that's a coincidence? No, because guess
<v Speaker 1>who one of the producers of Pulp Fiction was, mister
<v Speaker 1>Danny freaking de Vito. This was an homage to his
<v Speaker 1>art and his partner's part in Twins. What the heck?
<v Speaker 2>How about that? Spiked the football gold nugget right there?
<v Speaker 3>Love it?
<v Speaker 1>Love it?
<v Speaker 2>So Jules Benedict played by Arnold Schwitzenegger. He is Vincent's brother.
<v Speaker 2>Which is the one joke that this movie tells the
<v Speaker 2>entire hour and forty five minutes.
<v Speaker 1>You said that, I think there's two jokes. The first
<v Speaker 1>joke is their opposites and their twins. The second joke
<v Speaker 1>is Arnold Schwarzenegger this big bulking guy is a naive
<v Speaker 1>virgin walking around in LA.
<v Speaker 2>That's fair, okay, cool? All right, So we talked about
<v Speaker 2>how they were friends. Danny Veto, they called him up. Also, conveniently, Ivan, rightman,
<v Speaker 2>Arnold Schwitzenegger, and Dan de Vito are all presented by
<v Speaker 2>the same teleent agency that helps, which makes it a
<v Speaker 2>lot easier. Right, It's called packaging. So they called him up.
<v Speaker 2>They all signed that magical napkin, so that was a
<v Speaker 2>done deal, rightman, Schwarzeneggerdavito Ry. So before we go any further,
<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you that Danny DeVito and arms
<v Speaker 2>Swarzenegger were also offered Suburban Commando as a possible comedy.
<v Speaker 2>So what happened was they got to choose which one
<v Speaker 2>they wanted and the other one would go to Hulk
<v Speaker 2>Cogan and Christopher Lloyd. Okay, and so DeVito and Schwarzenegger
<v Speaker 2>selected twins. Hulk Cogan and Christopher Lloyd got Suburban Commando,
<v Speaker 2>but it could have easily been the other way.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, are we going to be covering Suburban command our future?
<v Speaker 2>To cover that one? Yeah, it just depends on what
<v Speaker 2>you if you are in love without one, okay. So
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about Marty Mason and Linda Mason. Linda Mason
<v Speaker 2>played by Chloe Webb.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. If you've seen Sid and Nancy with Gary Oldman
<v Speaker 1>as Sid Vicious and girlfriend Nancy, she's Nancy.
<v Speaker 2>She did a great job. She's lovable.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's cute. Yeah, she's yes, she is.
<v Speaker 2>She's a homely girl, she's yeah, she's.
<v Speaker 1>Well built, she is put together. She is well built,
<v Speaker 1>but has a more plain girl face.
<v Speaker 2>Yes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then you have her sister, Marnie Mason, played by
<v Speaker 2>eighties heart throb Kelly Preston.
<v Speaker 1>I bagged you some cookies, cookies, I guess I don't
<v Speaker 1>not at all. I'm really looking forward to tossing Ben now.
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Preston had been acting for a little while, but
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been in a whole lot of stuff before this.
<v Speaker 1>One of the movies that she was in you mentioned
<v Speaker 1>already was called Secret Admirer, not super well known.
<v Speaker 2>Love it one of my all time favorites.
<v Speaker 1>Another one was the movie Mischief Mischief, and then she
<v Speaker 1>was also in Space Case Camp. Yeah, I can't forget
<v Speaker 1>that that. By the way. First a film by episode
<v Speaker 1>that I listened to I think was Space Camp eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>There you go, yep, and then she gets cast in Twins.
<v Speaker 1>When we were texting back and forth, you sent me
<v Speaker 1>this Kelly Preston a little greater than sign Elizabeth Perkins,
<v Speaker 1>and my response was, Kelly Preston greater than everyone, smoking hot,
<v Speaker 1>great actress, believable. I don't know why she didn't do more, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>other than that she hooked up with John Travolta and
<v Speaker 1>he was the star of All Stars at that time.
<v Speaker 2>And we're not discrediting Elizabeth Perkins because we think she's
<v Speaker 2>really really pretty for a big.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she and they, I mean they didn't make her
<v Speaker 1>the sex kitten in Big like they did with Kelly
<v Speaker 1>Preston in Twins, right. I mean, she was supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be business woman like, She's got her hair pulled back
<v Speaker 1>in a bun. She's wearing ridiculous shoulder padded pantsuits. She's
<v Speaker 1>not so supposed to be ultra sexy. She's supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be the girl in the office who's gets around a little.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she sleeps her way at the top is what
<v Speaker 2>she does.
<v Speaker 1>So before she gets into mischief, if you will. She
<v Speaker 1>auditioned and was top contender for the movie Blue Lagoon. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>lost out to Brooks Shields, who is younger than her.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, can you imagine Kelly Preston, let's all
<v Speaker 1>take a moment. Okay, all right, So Kelly Preston, I
<v Speaker 1>just got to throw this out there. She dated a
<v Speaker 1>few folks before she married John Travolta.
<v Speaker 2>He has know this.
<v Speaker 1>You know the list of folks.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know one of them? Is it Charlie she
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Sheen.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently he shot her in the arm.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I mean, That's what happens when
<v Speaker 2>you date crazy people.
<v Speaker 1>How do we not know more about that story?
<v Speaker 2>We need to dig into that one.
<v Speaker 1>That one is nuts.
<v Speaker 2>You also have a young David Caruso in Twins. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>he's Dan DeVito's buddy Al that gives him cars to steal.
<v Speaker 2>He runs that parking garage. David Cruso goes on to
<v Speaker 2>do CSI. Yep. Yeah, so David Caruso is Al Greco.
<v Speaker 2>You have Trey Wilson as beat Root.
<v Speaker 1>Would you buy furniture from a place called Unpainted hough Ies.
<v Speaker 2>We love Trey Wilson man. So he plays the same
<v Speaker 2>character in every movie. Boulder hum Raised in Arizona beat Root.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Uh, just another thing I want to point out.
<v Speaker 2>You have Heather Graham playing an uncredited Marianne Benedict.
<v Speaker 1>Talk about smoking hot girls.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this is right before she kind of takes off.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean her her kind of step out was
<v Speaker 1>playing Mercedes on License to Drive.
<v Speaker 2>In eighty nine next year.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And then one other thing I want to point out
<v Speaker 2>real quickly, playing Mother Superior is Francis Bay, who was
<v Speaker 2>the Grandma and Happy Gilmore exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Be sure and go check out our Happy Gilmore versus
<v Speaker 1>Caddyshack episode.
<v Speaker 2>And I just did an episode with Jeff Johnson on
<v Speaker 2>his Patreon on the movie Nomads, which was John mcnernan's
<v Speaker 2>first movie with Pierce President. And Francis Bay played a
<v Speaker 2>nun in that movie.
<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that's all I got on cast for Twins.
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's flip over and do the cast for Big.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure we should do this yet.
<v Speaker 2>Through what Well, I mean, I like you and.
<v Speaker 1>I want to spend the night with you. Do you
<v Speaker 1>mean sleepover?
<v Speaker 3>Well?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but I get to be on top fantastic. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So we talked about how Penny Marshall ended up getting
<v Speaker 2>the job. Right, Here's the list of names that they
<v Speaker 2>thought about for Josh.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, big Josh, Big Josh.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So we already talked about Harrison Ford. You have
<v Speaker 2>the names Bill Murray, Judge Reinhold, Michael Keaton, Kevin Costner,
<v Speaker 2>Robin Williams, who would later go play a boy in
<v Speaker 2>a man's body in Jack with francyport Coppola.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just say, Judge Reinhold, that means that he
<v Speaker 1>picked what vice versa? Can you imagine him just kicking himself?
<v Speaker 2>I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I think they're on one, because I mean he could
<v Speaker 1>play he can pull off suite of course. Yeah, childlike
<v Speaker 1>has that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think Michael Keaton would be great in this role.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>John Travolta really wanted this part. Considered box office poison
<v Speaker 2>at this time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is look who's talking to time?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Ouch right, yep.
<v Speaker 2>Steve Guttenberg could have easily done this. I think. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>Dennis Quaid wanted it, but he did Everybody's All American instead.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Matthew Modine, Now I heard that Sean Penn was
<v Speaker 1>considered for this. Yeah, they thought he was too young
<v Speaker 1>to play the adult, right, ok And then they considered
<v Speaker 1>Gary Busey.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they didn't think he could play the adult.
<v Speaker 2>How about that?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>All right? Jeff Bridges Andy Garcia. So Andy Garcia was considered,
<v Speaker 2>but the studio executives did not want to pay eighteen
<v Speaker 2>million dollars to see him grow up to be a
<v Speaker 2>Puerto Rican. That's dude.
<v Speaker 1>That is terrible, dude, that is there? Wait a minute.
<v Speaker 1>Andy Garcia is from Cuba.
<v Speaker 2>He's Cuban. Yeah, screw you guys up from Cuba.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. That's that is awful, so awful.
<v Speaker 2>How about that. That's kind of an interesting list right there.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, before they ultimately settled on Tom Hanks.
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who turned down the role of Josh Baskin? No,
<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks? What, he turned it down initially and then
<v Speaker 2>it came back to him.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>So let's just let's talk about Tom Hanks for just
<v Speaker 2>a minute.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yep. So this is nineteen eighty eight, right, They're
<v Speaker 1>probably making these decisions in late eighty seven, right, yep.
<v Speaker 1>And so at that time, the only thing besides like
<v Speaker 1>TV episodes and mazes and monsters. If you remember that one.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>He'd been in Bosom Buddies, which, of course I loved
<v Speaker 1>Bosom Buddies.
<v Speaker 2>You're a great show.
<v Speaker 1>But he comes into the movies with splash. Yep, loved it.
<v Speaker 2>Great movie.
<v Speaker 1>Then does Bachelor Party.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, hilarious, money so good in.
<v Speaker 1>It, but not a huge success. Run Anyone does The
<v Speaker 1>Man with One Red Shoe, so volunteers loser. Then he
<v Speaker 1>does The Money Pit, which is hilarious, great movie, but
<v Speaker 1>not super successful. Sure I love The Money Pit, by
<v Speaker 1>the way. Then he does nothing in common.
<v Speaker 2>With Jackie Gleason, which again is it's okay. And then
<v Speaker 2>Dragnet that would with.
<v Speaker 1>Dan Akroy and Akro should be a phenomenal success, and
<v Speaker 1>it's not right. It is not so at that point
<v Speaker 1>he's not the IT actor.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>He is not the I mean, I understand why they
<v Speaker 1>went through fourteen guys, including a Cuban they thought was
<v Speaker 1>a Puerto Rican before they land on Tom Hanks. But
<v Speaker 1>it is the most important decision they made.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, he did Punchline, he did Punchline before
<v Speaker 1>it came out after because of the editing process. But
<v Speaker 1>Punchline what came out that same year obviously not as successful,
<v Speaker 1>but and not as.
<v Speaker 2>Good, right, and not as good by the way, when
<v Speaker 2>they had Robert de Niro for this role, he wanted
<v Speaker 2>six million dollars, which was part of the problem, part
<v Speaker 2>of the reason why he left the project. They got
<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks for two and it made over one hundred
<v Speaker 2>million dollars, completely worth the investment in Tom Hanks.
<v Speaker 1>At the time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So let's talk about the role of
<v Speaker 2>Susan played by a. Sabeth Perkins. Okay, we both agree
<v Speaker 2>she does a great job in this movie. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>she looks beautiful today, very elegant woman, plays the business
<v Speaker 2>woman part, and we believe that she's not afraid to
<v Speaker 2>lay on her back a little bit to get to
<v Speaker 2>the top. They offered this role to Meg Tilly. Didn't
<v Speaker 2>your sister in law hang out with.
<v Speaker 1>Meg Tilly a little bit roommate for a few weeks?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about that? Yeah, so family friend Meg Tilly.
<v Speaker 2>Then you also had Deborah Winger. Ye, Deborah Winger was
<v Speaker 2>like a shoe in like she was, she had it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and then they had trouble casting Josh. Then Deborah Winger
<v Speaker 2>went to Penny Marshall and said, why don't you switch
<v Speaker 2>the parts and make the female one the big ones,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And Penny Marshall's like no, and then Debra
<v Speaker 2>Winger got her feelings her and then she's like, forget this,
<v Speaker 2>I'm out of here.
<v Speaker 1>Which is interesting because I mentioned that Penny Marshall was
<v Speaker 1>supposed to direct Peggy Sue got married. Yeah, Debora Winger
<v Speaker 1>was the one who was supposed to play Kathleen Turner.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>When Penny Marshall had the falling out with the writers
<v Speaker 1>up her, Winger left in loyalty to Penny Marshall. So
<v Speaker 1>I can see how at that moment when she's like,
<v Speaker 1>why don't you make Meet the Star And Penny Marshall's like, nah,
<v Speaker 1>right that, yeah that might have Yeah, you have that
<v Speaker 1>one badly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, Andy thoughts on Susan.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I get to be on top.
<v Speaker 2>We both talked. So there's some funny parts in Big
<v Speaker 2>that I texted you, you know, and you're talking the
<v Speaker 2>other day. The part when she bends over to pick
<v Speaker 2>up the papers he had knocked Robert Los's character on
<v Speaker 2>the ground. Tom Hanks has been over to pick up
<v Speaker 2>the papers she's been over, and her blouse opens a
<v Speaker 2>little bit.
<v Speaker 1>And see her flowers.
<v Speaker 2>There's some lacey underlings underneath.
<v Speaker 1>And Tom Hanks is like, yeah, looking at it, looking away, looking,
<v Speaker 1>pulling his head away, and his eyes are darting back down. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>just like a twelve year old boy would be doing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Super funny. And then eventually later on the movie,
<v Speaker 2>when they actually sleep together, right Susan and Josh, she
<v Speaker 2>introduces you know, she opens his eyes to this wonderful world,
<v Speaker 2>and she takes her shirt off, her bras on. She
<v Speaker 2>goes to hit the light switch to turn off the lights,
<v Speaker 2>and him, staring at her chest, reaches back and turns
<v Speaker 2>the light back on. Yes, and she giggles and smiles.
<v Speaker 2>It's really a kind of an endaring moment.
<v Speaker 1>It is a sweet moment, and in a moment that
<v Speaker 1>as a twelve year old at the time and have
<v Speaker 1>been like, yeah, he turned the lights off for I've
<v Speaker 1>never seen this before, my light exactly. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about mister McMillan played by Robert Loja.
<v Speaker 1>Robert Loja baby.
<v Speaker 2>Right, they call him Mac in the movie. I think
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of cute.
<v Speaker 3>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>That character was based on Fao Schwartz, CEO Peter Harris.
<v Speaker 1>Cool.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Now, then for the role of Paul played by
<v Speaker 2>John Hurd, who's the dad and Home Alone, who's a
<v Speaker 2>sweet guy in Home Alone. Yeah, he's a kid in this. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I saw this first.
<v Speaker 2>So this he was just I was like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>give you the ball, Yeah, give you the ball. I
<v Speaker 2>did not hit it.
<v Speaker 1>It was over the line.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So that they actually looked at Charles Rocket to do that.
<v Speaker 2>He plays the bad guy in Dumb and Dumber.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh, okay, I got you. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And they also talked to John Lithgow about playing this role,
<v Speaker 2>and we talked about him when we did our Footloose episode.
<v Speaker 2>He was the Reverend Shaw Moore in Footloose. And then
<v Speaker 2>we talked already about Jared Ruskin who played Billy, and
<v Speaker 2>David Moscow who played Young Josh. So let's talk about
<v Speaker 2>the boys for just a second. David Moscow plays Young Josh. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>super job.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>They actually had to dye his hair and had to
<v Speaker 2>wear contacts to make him look more like Tom Anks.
<v Speaker 1>Oh really okay yep.
<v Speaker 2>And then Jared Rushton played Billy. Right, They actually did
<v Speaker 2>some really cool stuff. We'll talk about that in production.
<v Speaker 2>But these two boys and Tom Hanks would hang out
<v Speaker 2>and Penny Marshall would kind of take notes on how
<v Speaker 2>they interacted and incorporated into the movie. We'll talk more
<v Speaker 2>about that here and just on the next episode. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but the one lady I really want to mention is
<v Speaker 2>Mercedes Rule. Okay, she plays Josh's mom.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she's she's like another Penny Marshall. Okay, Italian
<v Speaker 1>has that kind of Bronxi accent.
<v Speaker 2>Josh, bring your sister down here. Yeah, yeah, she plays
<v Speaker 2>She's in Fraser. She plays Fraser's girlfriend. She plays dirty girl.
<v Speaker 2>There's a great episode where he's a bad boy and
<v Speaker 2>she's dirty girl. Anyway, my wife and I think that
<v Speaker 2>episode is super funny. She's dirty girl.
<v Speaker 1>You can't leave out John Lovetts, John Levittz.
<v Speaker 2>His co workers, kind of sleezy co worker who makes
<v Speaker 2>sure to point out the See that girl over there,
<v Speaker 2>she'll be wrapping her legs around you and squeezing you
<v Speaker 2>to death. Okay, I'll stay away.
<v Speaker 1>From her and stay away from her.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that girl over there in the red.
<v Speaker 1>Say hi to her and she's yours.
<v Speaker 2>She'll wrap her legs around, so you'll begging for mercy. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I'll stay away from her. Then, John Love, it's like
<v Speaker 2>thought this was going straight to DVD, like I thought
<v Speaker 2>it was a tank. Thought it was a crappy movie.
<v Speaker 2>So he was sick one day and he thought, I
<v Speaker 2>just don't know if I'm ever going to go back
<v Speaker 2>to work. And Penny Marshall's like, get your butt up here,
<v Speaker 2>so he did and finished it and it turns out
<v Speaker 2>to be this wonderful big hit.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, So that does it for part one of
<v Speaker 1>our Big Twins episodes. Join us next week for part
<v Speaker 1>two will where we will talk about production. We will
<v Speaker 1>talk about composers and music, and we will talk about
<v Speaker 1>how these movies were received and importantly, why we're comparing
<v Speaker 1>these two movies. I mean, there's the similarity that might
<v Speaker 1>be obvious to some, but there's more that you might
<v Speaker 1>not know about. Be sure and come back next week.
<v Speaker 3>So that you will hear that.
<v Speaker 2>I've got a big question for you for you to
<v Speaker 2>think about between now and then. Okay, if you were Josh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>would you choose to stay big?
<v Speaker 1>Would you go back? You have an answer to that question,
<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll talk about it next week, See you guys.
<v Speaker 1>Then rang in the dogt