NL WC hot mess, Guards > Tigers, Raleigh’s 60th clinch AL MVP?

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't say back to back days.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the two most enjoyable days of watching ball that I've had this entire year. Anyone else with me, it feels different. Kurtshaw's coming out of the bullpen, Brios, I mean, that was more of an emergency situation with the Blue Jays, But you two crats, you're enjoying watching all of this.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough screens going. And then all of a sudden, it's like the only game that's left is like, oh, wait, the Mariners. Wait, I gotta stay up and watch the Mariners clinch. I know they're blowing them out, so it's kind of like, all right, let's go. And then Cal hit a dinger and I'm like, yeah, let's go, and then it like it just powered me through the whole night.

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Speaker 1: Once the last two days, six forty hits. It's on. It's difficult to keep up with all of them at once. I agree.

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Speaker 2: We did have astros As playing late, although that wasn't close, and then the Dodgers game went until.

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Speaker 1: In the morning East Coast something like that.

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Speaker 2: You were doing well, though it was the next day gave up once I saw the Diamondbacks tie it.

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Speaker 4: I went to sleep and I'm like, I got I'll see this sentence in the morning, because every other game was over. But once they tied it up and with the eighth, I was like, yeah, I'm done.

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Speaker 2: I always look to see the time stamp, like AJ sent Cayle sixty, which we're about to get into, and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, still up for this?

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Speaker 3: That was it?

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Speaker 5: That was it.

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Speaker 2: You just wanted to make sure you got to sixty. And then you're like pillow, but don't worry. It carried the freight for the last hour and change for the Diamondbacks to allow the Mets to still have their little path to control their own destiny.

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Speaker 1: But let's charge charge about.

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Speaker 2: For the first time since two thousand and one, the Seattle Mariners take the American League West and cal Riley hit not one, but two.

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Speaker 1: He's up to sixty. I thought this was cool. Kratz.

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Speaker 2: You pointed out how much the MVP odds have shifted too for col But here's the celebration. Back to back bottle popping. Now we've documented this. Players don't drink like they used to, but you do get back to back night to this and it's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. Right.

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Speaker 5: The Rockies might have a chance tonight to win.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think they will.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying no. I mean they have a chance because they're two Knights in a row. The Mariner's popping and then a Mariners don't know who they're pitching, or you know, it's maybe a bullpen game.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing, Like, if I've been saying this for months, Cal Rawley should win the MVP. It's historical year. I said months ago he was going to get to sixty. All laughed at me. He got to sixty, and now what because he should still be the MVP. I know Judge's numbers are better across the board, but the position he plays, the first time they've won their division in twenty four years, sixty home runs most homers from a switch it or most other homers from a catcher by far. It's ridiculous he should win this award. And I know people can make the argument judges ops this and that, but Cal plays such an important role on this team.

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Speaker 5: Is not only a catcher but the leader.

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Speaker 4: Listen when they clinched the playoffs, who did they interview they didn't interview Julio Rodriguez. They had Cal Rawley on the field. That tells you everything you know about who they think their most valuable players.

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Speaker 2: You also can speak to something that not many can. Same with Kratz. Cal Raley plays the catcher position. The catcher position versus the outfield position. I don't think numbers do justice what the difference is.

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Speaker 1: Look look at the.

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Speaker 2: Numbers for most catchers in baseball, look at the offensive numbers for most catchers in baseball, and then look at.

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Speaker 4: Cal You can't quantify it. You can't quantify what Cal Ray does offensively and less. Savagetti won the Platinum Globe last year.

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Speaker 2: Defensively, well, some people are like, well not this year. His defense is very good still this year.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry, he's very He's If he's not the best defensive catcher in baseball in the American League, who is.

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Speaker 1: I gotta look at the framing metrics this year he's up there.

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Speaker 4: He's he can throw, he blocks, he plays every day, and he hits, sounds like a great.

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Speaker 3: And his pitching staff's really good. You do get some credit for calling a game, whether it's youth here and you're not throwing the pitch. I get it, but you get some credit for calling a good game and he's led this team. But is it historic enough that? To me? I think that's the question because recent history says if it's a historic enough season, then he will win it, then he will win the MVP. Because you go back to twenty two and you look at show Hay's season, he had a better season than Aaron Judge. He was number four in cy young he ended up being number two and in MVP voting, and you would say he had a better season value wise, but Judge was historic. So is Col's historic enough to beat out Judge this year?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's close.

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Speaker 2: Because you have to decide cal Judge, and I think most people should just be deciding Kyle. So I don't think the voting is going to be as close as people believe it will be. I don't Judges had an amazing season, but it's not cal Raley.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of other factors too.

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Speaker 2: Some people are gonna get after you AJ for saying, oh, well, I haven't won a division in a billion years, and they're gonna say I don't care.

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Speaker 1: History doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't matter. Then if it doesn't matter, then it definitely matters. When Aaron Judge won the MVP, he broke the all time home run record. If it didn't matter, maybe sure he should have won.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're saying the team performance shouldn't matter, that they want a division most valuable, also valuable.

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Speaker 2: Also, I know that this could be a little bit out in left field, but some teams have not won much and you can point to ownership, GMS, the player personnel, whatever. Do you believe that some ballparks make it more difficult to win?

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Speaker 1: Like? Do you?

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Speaker 2: I mean Colorado is the extreme example, but for the last few years where like the offense is brutal in Seattle for home and for the opponent.

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Speaker 1: Right, and then all of a sudden, here's cal Riley saying, no, we're good.

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Speaker 2: Sixty home runs in Seattle. That is a tough freaking park. It's maybe not the excuse it should be, but that's a tough part to at home runs in Seattle versus Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Come on, agreed, this isn't even This shouldn't even be an argument. Listen, Aaron Judge is having a great year. Again, this shouldn't be an argument. Historical year, historical all time year.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 4: That's the answer is this is a year we'll probably never see again ever from a catcher ever, he should be the MVP, he should win it. And I'm sorry, and Yankee fans come at me, I don't care, because I'm right and you are.

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Speaker 3: Homers. I mean, are we okay? Are we okay with the first ever MVP having a batting average this low?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, batting average doesn't matter anymore, they tell us all the time.

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Speaker 5: Betting everage doesn't matter. Since when does batting average matter?

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Speaker 1: The sport doesn't value it at all.

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Speaker 4: Exactly Luisa rise would be making twenty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: Batting average matter.

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Speaker 1: The sport does not give a crap about batting average.

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Speaker 4: Talk to any they want homers, because who's leading the world homers?

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Speaker 5: Cal Rowley, talk.

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Speaker 2: To any front office about batting average? What will they say?

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Speaker 1: What's this batting average?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: What's the all time OPS record for a catcher first season, for a full season. I mean, I don't know, but Cal Row's got to be pretty close.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to try to see if I can ask some ai that real quickly. But I'm sure I'm sure Cal's up there. You want ops or you want OPS plus ops. Okay, it looks like Piazza was one seven er different era, and we're like, are we going to start doing those?

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Speaker 5: We're not gonna. I'm just asking because Cals would not.

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Speaker 1: One seventy two ops plus, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean for a catcher, compare him to other catchers, much like Mike Piolza compared to other catchers.

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Speaker 5: That's insanity.

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Speaker 2: Number yeah, and catchers a dead spot for most teams. Yes, people are gonna say, hey, judges are two thirteen, that's great. It's great every other year.

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Speaker 4: Behind the plaint for one hundred and thirty games, and let me know, if he makes it, you ain't gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I know he's not a condition that he's different type of player, but he ain't gonna make it. That's the difference to me.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty five RBIs for Cal. Cols played a little more. Obviously Judge missed a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: Then their argument would be would Cal would Cal have won a batting title if he played right field all year? Would he had had seventy homers had he played right field all year? That's gonna be. That's gonna be the other side.

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Speaker 4: Of the argument kel have seventy homers we played in Yankee Stadium. How many homers in Safego whatever team mobile that went to the warning track, especially in right field, that would have been homers in Yankee Stadium. I mean, there's you can make arguments, so you're blue in the face, but I'm sorry this time.

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Speaker 5: Listen. I'm a Judge guy. I love Judge.

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Speaker 4: I think Judge is one of the best players we've seen in a really long time.

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Speaker 5: But for this one year, it's cal rowing. It's just it's it. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: And for the Mariners the last time they won the American League West, I think it's worth showing the tweet there.

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Speaker 1: About what was popular and sixteen games. You remember that team.

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Speaker 5: I played against that team a lot nasty.

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Speaker 1: They That was Echiro's rookie year, Rose rookie year.

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Speaker 4: They had Bret Boon, a second ol Arruda, first Carlos g in it short. Uh jeez, yeah, this is exactly.

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Speaker 5: Coming out. I mean, Harry Potter.

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Speaker 2: Movie Shrek was released in theaters. First Harry Potter movie was number one iPad not sorry.

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Speaker 5: Original which I still have. I still have an original one looks just like that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't out in two thousand and one. No, Alicia Key, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Tell you how I'll tell you how crazy he was. So we all have a phone. Yep, we had the old flippy phone.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: You played Snake on Everyone played Snake Remember Snake on the phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So there was a game and we were chasing down Cleveland that year in Minnesota and Cleveland won the division.

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Speaker 5: We didn't.

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Speaker 4: And they played the Mariners I think it was the Marinors and the Mirrors had like a crazy lead. It was like ten to one or twelve to nothing, and we were all watching on our phone and we're like, oh, the Mirrors are going to hold on. The Guardians came back. Indians and Done came back and won that game. We're like, oh, we're probably screwed. I think it was in like August, but that was the year that in Seattle on the Hit It Here when it used to be the Hit It Here Cafe, they're like, we don't count k's, we count sweeps. And they hung brooms because they won so many games. It was freaking stupid.

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Speaker 2: August fifth, two thousand and one, Indians, we did the largest comeback in MLB history, twelve run deficit against the Mariners, winning fifteen, fourteen and eleven innings.

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Speaker 1: There was a fourteen to two lead in that game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we were sitting there on our phone going like this, Oh dude, all right, we're gonna pick up a game because we were on a plane flying somewhere and we're all watching in our phone. Yeah, we're gonna We got a chance to pick up a game because we had already won. And then as we're watching and we're like no, And it was like the old flip phone that barely had an Internet, and you're like, well, we're what, We're not holding antenna and everything.

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Speaker 2: You're holding it up somewhere and everyone's looking at their phone like, no way, it's fourteen to ten or whatever, like.

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Speaker 5: No way.

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Speaker 1: Times have changed.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I will say, for as well as Seattle has played crats, the Houston Astros made it easy for them in this final week. They have completely crumbled right now and they're probably out of a playoff spot. But the Mariners, I will definitely say, won the division. And I know you guys like to say, did this team win or did this team?

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Speaker 1: Class?

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Speaker 2: Mariners won the division, but the Astros made it easy for them.

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Speaker 3: Part of the collapse was they beat them. They swept the Mariner I mean they swept the Astros. They started this. They were like, hey, you know what, oh man, if we take two of three, if the Astros take two of three, it's just gonna be same old Astros. They came into Houston. It wasn't at home. They came into Houston and they said, screw it, We're going east to Spokane and we're going to sweep a team. That to me, that's an explanation point to me. The Mariners won it. I don't think the Astros lost it. They put the Astros on a skid.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: The Astros also lost it because they've got their asses whooped in Sacramento the last couple of days, which, by the way, I was also watching this game, so the A's went no part of Sacramento. But they were selling shirts in green and gold it said Sacramento. So wait, I thought they didn't want to be known as Sacramento because Dallas Brandon, what's the the girl play name?

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Speaker 1: Oh, Jenny Kabner.

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Speaker 5: Jenny Kabner.

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Speaker 4: We're holding him up like, look, we have these Sacramento a shirts. Everyone buy them and you're like, wait, but I thought they didn't want to go by Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to pivot a little bit because Sacramento hasn't embraced them like they thought, because they feel like an ugly step child.

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Speaker 1: That's part of this, But.

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Speaker 5: It was I was. I was sitting here watching going like, wait, what.

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Speaker 1: Think about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if a team came here and they were like Orlando, no, Orlando anything, you get nothing, you'd be offended. Of course, that's exactly the story.

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Speaker 1: It's that's great.

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Speaker 2: People are pissed and they're trying to wiggle their way back in because they have years left to go there.

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Speaker 1: That's what I haven't.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they haven't really adopted Sacramento at all.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 2: I hear individual human beings with conversations on the broadcast, that's all.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 5: What's their average tenants? Under ten thousand? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Under ten thousand? For sure.

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Speaker 5: There was nobody at the game.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand probably at that game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I don't know how many they have, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. They sold season ashers didn't show up either, exactly.

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Speaker 4: They got them win tonight. I mean, listen, it's in my it'll be in my lock. I'm taking them. They can't go there and get swept. There's got to be some astro pride. It's got to be some astro pride tonight.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Kyle Schwarber has twenty three home runs against the lefty this season. That's an MLB record most tim runs for a lefty leafty.

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Speaker 5: He's so good, he's so fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, did I know.

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Speaker 4: Krawts watched the Phillies game last night? But you know I had the direct TV with the eight screens, all of them going uh.

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Speaker 5: Sosa hit the home run and they called it fan interference.

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Speaker 4: Like, there's no a fan can't interfere with the ball in Philly and left field unless they have the go Go Gadget arms that are like twelve feet long because there was a giant flower bed.

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Speaker 5: Now Umbar's like fan interference.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, it's impossible for them to be fan infir I mean literally unless the guy had the longest arms of all time.

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Speaker 1: Inspector Gadget.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they. I think they changed the flowers. I don't think they have the flowers there anymore. There's still there's still there's still a distance. Yeah, but that was bad. That was poor. Uh death perception must have been Scott Barry. He was he stopped doing the game in Toronto. They called that ball foul for George Spring.

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Speaker 2: With the bases loaded, Philly's at a franchise record eight homers, so said three.

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Speaker 3: They did a cool Yeah, they did a cool postgame picture. They did a cool postgame picture with Uh outto camp. And then they did two Schwarbers. They put two Schwarbers next to each other, and then three Edmundos Sosa's and then Alec Boum because they broke the record, they all took a picture. I forget who the four guys were.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do a deep dive on the nationally wildcard that nobody wants. But for two minutes here, the Dodgers bullpen is getting remade on the fly Kershaw relief appearance first time since twenty nineteen. Roki Sazaki is back with a nice ninety nine piece on his fastball. They I led Kirby Yates. Robleski looked great closing out the game. They're gonna be freaking fine.

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Speaker 4: As much as I said, Sazaki is not gonna be on the roster. I'm gonna have to take that back after watching. That might be his role going forward. That might be his role because he actually could throw it over the plate. You don't have to worry about one inning instead of trying to throw it over the plate for multiple.

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Speaker 1: He's a kid too, He's still done. He's like twenty three, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but still he was in Japan for a while he threw it over the plate, but over here he could throw it over the plate, especially a split. He also got a nice call by one I don't know who the home played on.

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Speaker 1: You got a nice strikeout calling him home up struggle striking.

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Speaker 4: By the way, if you ever watched the Diamonbacks who started the guy gosh, dang it uh for the uh for the diamond who started that game for the Diamondbacks right now, Well, he threw a ball to Max Munty that was like not even like close.

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Speaker 1: It was like middle middle ball.

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Speaker 3: And then and uh.

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Speaker 4: Brandley and then go man, I hope that doesn't come back, and he ended up punching him out like on a curveball.

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Speaker 5: But he literally threw one, I mean right.

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Speaker 2: Down the middle ball, retweeted on ft oh. We were like when is a BS that was bad. But anyway, the bullpen's gonna look different.

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Speaker 3: Crats it is, and that's crazy. That's crazy for Dave Roberts. Dave Roberson is going into a land unknown for him cause normally he's just going right to the bullpen. Last year they leaned on it. Now this year he's got to figure it out on the fly.

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Speaker 1: Better than box scores.

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Speaker 2: Who wants the last wild card spot in the National League?

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Speaker 5: Nobody?

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Speaker 1: Who wants it?

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Speaker 5: Nobody?

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Speaker 1: Nobody you know who wants it.

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Speaker 2: Paul Markeens wants it as he played spoiler for the Pirates. Clayton Kershaw wants it as he filled in an inning for the Dodgers to help take down the Diamondbacks.

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Speaker 1: The Cubs offense scored ten on the Mets.

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Speaker 5: Didn't you take the under?

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Speaker 1: No, no sweat? Oh my gosh, that was easy and not at all. You know what, He's a baby. He was not expected to do.

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Speaker 4: This veteran team that has now watched tape on him, and they took away his best pitch, which is his change up, and they and he got I think he got half the half and second about he threw it again and have Wallly muffled it.

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Speaker 2: And he wasn't locating when I think it was the slider, he wasn't locating. So it was like fastballs that they're hitting and the change upright that they got rid of.

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Speaker 1: They reached at one point, I think six in a row. They knocked him out early.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, did you see the coolest woe in that game?

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Speaker 5: For me?

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Speaker 4: Then I kind of turned it off. There was like seven to nothing. Was PCA hit the fly ball right and uh Bias Teros came running home and scored. How happy PCA was that he hit the sackfly and how happy his teammates were. That was like, that's what it's about. When you get to this point. It's amazing how many times you watch these games, especially oh my gosh, the Reds and the Pirates and x RA innings. There's a runner on second and nobody out and it's the Reds are tie game or whatever, and they can't their leadoff guy in and can't hit a ball to the right. So all they're doing is like, let's try and yank. Let's try and yank and try and yank. Dude, all you gotta do is get the gun a third and hopefully drive him in. It's just it's it's just not there because it's not taught, it's not expected you watch.

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Speaker 2: I could not look away at the train wreck of the Pirates and the Reds Crafts. They ate up four hours of my life last night, and I was watching the other games on the side, but I was dialed in because first of all, you had Skins and Green and they both pitched well. Skeins beat him though, and he was loving it, and so was Livy Done six shot out innings, seven k's one nine to seventy ra best in baseball this year. Cy Young Lockett's done. But both offenses are just a really tough watch. But it's actually enjoyable to watch because you're just like every moment that he's talking about is not executed like a winning team.

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Speaker 3: No, like the Reds they get it. Yeah, I mean Tyler Stevenson, he got up there, he was four for four at the time, he was like, I'm gonna win this game, and then he punched out against Johann Ramirez. I think he's been on like seven different teams because he didn't take the slider the other way or he chased out of the zone like it's I I give it to you that you watched that game, because you got to watch. What we love in baseball is a Marquee matchup, Marquee starting pitching matchup, and it fit that bill. But you texted at the end, you go, I just wasted four hours of my day, Like why did I take up a scream? They did not well outside of Stevenson, like the inside the park Homer was fun from Noelvie Marteo was fun, but like wouldn't happened if you played it correctly. You know, you didn't fall down at the wall anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, O'Neil Cruz has been a roller coaster.

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Speaker 2: He's got a little better, but he's not a center fielder this year.

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Speaker 1: That is on a first division team. It's working progress.

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Speaker 5: The rest of the Pirates except for Skiings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Nick York played a nasty second base. He made two insane diving plays. He saved the game at one pointed the ball.

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Speaker 4: Where he threw the first and the first basement. Horowitz fell on the bag, slipped and then ate ate it and he threw and he still caught it bare hand.

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Speaker 1: Horroritz on the back. That was the game. That was the big play right there, I think that that was Ellie.

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Speaker 5: Ellie smashed.

00:23:00
Speaker 2: And it's cool because I'm not watching every Reds game all year obviously, and and so they did a really nice job on the broadcast. Multiple times they're like, biggest at bat of so and so's career because the Reds are usually not in it right so they're.

00:23:09
Speaker 4: Like, biggest home run everyone, Everyone had the.

00:23:13
Speaker 5: Biggest of their career last night. For the rest it was like every guy.

00:23:16
Speaker 1: The biggest hit, the biggest bottom eight. Last night it was Ellie.

00:23:20
Speaker 2: They're like, this is the biggest at bat of the best player on the team's career right now.

00:23:25
Speaker 1: And Nick York made the play.

00:23:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's stepping bare hand on the bag making the catch. No crats, whoa, whoa whoa misquoted, not wasted. I'm just saying I war wanted to point out I'm watching Red's Pirates for four hours last night at the end of September. Hell no, So, I actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was the most entertaining game because of the late innings. You're just seeing how things are not being executed correctly over and over again.

00:23:53
Speaker 1: A lot of issues on both sides.

00:23:55
Speaker 4: Also, the Reds have a chance to night well they're in Raindol, but to play early and win and then put pressure.

00:24:01
Speaker 5: On the Mets and the Diamondbacks.

00:24:02
Speaker 4: And they could have done it last night, and they could have done it the night before, and they haven't done anything. So they got Lodolo going against Ashcraft, right, they gotta win. They got they whenever they get to start, they got to jump out early and put the pressure on the other teams.

00:24:15
Speaker 2: What I do learn is there are some teams that I watch and just going off recent history and most teams having pretty good offenses when they make it to the World Series.

00:24:23
Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams are gonna be able to.

00:24:24
Speaker 2: Cross off, like the Reds if they make the playoffs, maybe they steal around. But that offense is not winning a World Series this year. I talked about this with the Guardians the other day. As great as their pitching is, that offense is not getting through an entire tournament. So just to win that game of the ninth, that's true. Although I like that offense better. That's a pretty good offense.

00:24:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:24:44
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the Diamondbacks for a moment. They now are going to start Zach Allen over the weekend against the Padres instead of an outing against Yamamoto bullpen game tonight instead, is that the right call.

00:24:59
Speaker 5: Win every game?

00:25:00
Speaker 1: So what are they doing?

00:25:02
Speaker 5: You're just giving up a game.

00:25:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.

00:25:04
Speaker 2: They only get one Gallon start, and I guess they're gonna need one bullpen game start. In my mind, you're saying without saying it, we're throwing tonight, like.

00:25:11
Speaker 4: I mean, I would try to win boom boo, boom boom, and then maybe Sunday if you need to be like all hands on deck.

00:25:16
Speaker 5: Boys.

00:25:17
Speaker 2: Also, Gallon can save their bullpen tonight. They pitched eleven innings last night. Not the whole bullpen I'm saying, but like the bullpen got used.

00:25:24
Speaker 4: There's no off day coming well off day at the end of the year.

00:25:27
Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake. The team's playing well too.

00:25:29
Speaker 2: They almost beat the Dodgers again, and now you're just gonna say, let's wait on Gollon. Am I wrong here? We'll ask Boden about this too when he comes on. But crats, am I wrong on this one? What am I missing?

00:25:39
Speaker 3: I don't know that you're right. I don't know. There's got to be something that they're sitting there looking Okay, we need we need to get a more favorable matchup. I've always wondered this, like a team, a team that's terrible in your face. Let's say you opened the season up against Skiens, why do you gotta throw your number one against Skiens? Schemes clearly is going to have the better outing. Maybe you keep the team close. May you keep the game close and you beat them after Schemes is out. I get that part of it, But you know, why not? Why not switch it? I think some colleges do it. Friday night starter is usually your best starter. But what if you have two good starters and they face their Saturday and Sunday guys. Not saying you're kicking the first game, not saying you're kicking tonight's game, but you've got to try to put your chips on the right spots and hope that it hits.

00:26:31
Speaker 2: That's a five hundred mentality at a time when the Reds need to either go probably three and one or four and oh to win out the Diamondbacks two Diamondbacks two.

00:26:41
Speaker 4: Wanter Green pitch well last night, I mean gave up two.

00:26:43
Speaker 1: But that's my point. You want Hunter Green in that outing because then they ended up tying it up.

00:26:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game to win the game.

00:26:48
Speaker 4: Same with the Diamondbacks and you just because y'all, Moto is not going to pitch nine innings tonight.

00:26:53
Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks love they hit the Dodgers always.

00:26:56
Speaker 4: But he's not gonna pick. He might go five, maybe five. They're gonna get him ready for the Wildcard. It's on Tuesday, So so why would you not try to hold the Dodgers down as best you can and then get to the bullpen because we all know how good the bullpen's been. Because guess who ain't coming out of the bullpen to night. Kersh I ain't coming out of the bullpen tonight. Sazaki ain't coming out of the bullpen tonight because they're haven't done.

00:27:16
Speaker 5: Back to back, so they're not. There's no way Dave Roberts's gonna go to curs now.

00:27:19
Speaker 4: Curser probably say he'd throw, but he's not gonna go to curse and say, curse man, we need you to throw you an inning night. Sazaki, you've been hurt all year. Let's let's go back to backs right now. Like, no, it's not gonna happen. This is this is if you're I don't know to me, this is a chance you worry about today and tomorrow's for another day.

00:27:34
Speaker 5: You try.

00:27:34
Speaker 4: You gotta try to win every game because you're not in a spot where you can afford to lose any games. You have to try to win every game.

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00:29:14
Speaker 4: That's why wars times. I mean, these guys weren't there. I mean, I know they're the Rockies, but they're not worse than the White Sox were last year and run diff French. It doesn't matter, Scott.

00:29:26
Speaker 1: Maybe they are worse.

00:29:27
Speaker 5: They're not though according to the record.

00:29:31
Speaker 3: Per fall. But yeah, you have this, you have.

00:29:38
Speaker 1: History manager, and maybe History sorry about it. They did, but I mean to break this.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: This is a dubious record, and why the heck wasn't I putting more run lines on on the against the Rockies.

00:29:52
Speaker 1: They caught up in the beginning of the year.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: It was a cash cow, but it did catch up where eventually, eventually you had to do uh to even get close to even money, you had to do two and a half, which then starts to get tough quick pop quiz with like thirty seconds to go, and then we're going to come back and talk to Boden. Just for everyone watching at home, who's the Rockies manager right now?

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Hey? See this quote from John Schneider. He was bringing it postgame.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: A lot of the Beat writers were like, this is a different John Schneider after this game because he's like, quote, it feels like the sky's falling right now, and it's fucking not.

00:30:28
Speaker 1: We've got ninety wins, we're in the playoffs, and if the season end today, we're winning the Ale East.

00:30:33
Speaker 2: I want them to come in and not press I want them to play confident. He was also saying that his players are totally wrong for freaking out about the ompstig get and way too caught up in that.

00:30:40
Speaker 1: He was very vocal about that too.

00:30:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like a guy that's a little nervous about not winning the division, but he wants to show everybody that he is and nervous even though keep down, we all know that he is.

00:30:52
Speaker 5: I mean, Kratzo isn't better than anybody.

00:30:53
Speaker 4: But to me this comes across is if he hasn't been like this the whole year, and all of a sudden we're getting shots fired, You're like, WHOA.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: But can I make the case that I think the players they're looking like they're freaking out at the arms about every like they look very animated, like just play your game.

00:31:10
Speaker 1: You guys are good.

00:31:11
Speaker 2: They are good, and even if you're having a rough week, Kratz and the Red Sox are beating you in a couple of games, like the Red Sox aren't playoff team, You'll be fine.

00:31:20
Speaker 3: It was very telling when George got caught mouthing they just need to give the division to the Yankees, Like that's not what they should be thinking about. That shouldn't that shouldn't come out in the game because you shouldn't be thinking about that, Like it was a candid moment. I'm glad we got the lip reading done by John Boyd, but I just I would say the players are freaking out Schneid's Schneid's has had some he has some tie rates. I think he goes, he goes on, some goes on some tangents. So maybe this is the first time. I don't know. But the team is panicking. But at least they have like some kind of feeling. You watch the Tigers and they're just like somebody's got to hit the hit the on button. So at least they're if you're feeling something, at least it's you know, you don't want a panic, but they are they glad to go.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: Man Yet he.

00:32:14
Speaker 4: Didn't draw line, but he did draw line. I don't know they needed him to go.

00:32:20
Speaker 1: Was that a fair ejection.

00:32:22
Speaker 4: I don't know what was said. I don't know what he said. They didn't really show what he said. But anytime you take your bat and you yeah, you kind of do the tappy tap lining line, you're you're gonna get heap.

00:32:35
Speaker 1: I think that's soft.

00:32:37
Speaker 3: No, you can't. You can't touch the dirt. At first, he looked at the dirt and then he touched it. You just can't you can't shut I mean that's like that's like saying.

00:32:46
Speaker 2: You missed it, okay. But I can just be like, hey, glad, he'e sorry. I think you're wrong. I got the call right now, go back to the dugout and we're good. If I didn't like, go up in his face and.

00:32:56
Speaker 1: Say they're so soft.

00:33:00
Speaker 4: The Tigers have a fourteen game lead.

00:33:03
Speaker 5: Fourteen games. They're in the playoffs.

00:33:05
Speaker 3: That's it.

00:33:05
Speaker 5: You can put them in the playoffs.

00:33:06
Speaker 1: Are you add on the Guardians?

00:33:08
Speaker 4: There are four games out of a wildcard behind one, two, three, four or five five teams.

00:33:13
Speaker 5: They're twelve and a half behind the Tigers. They're not catching the Tigers this year.

00:33:18
Speaker 1: Cleveland didn't add they're good. I don't think they're great. Tigers are really solid. I could he get close, maybe, but I don't see it.

00:33:24
Speaker 4: Do we think one of these other teams can jump a ten game winning streak even though they haven't done it all year?

00:33:28
Speaker 1: Guardians, that's that's a little bit of a stretch. Central is done.

00:33:38
Speaker 3: That's what he's what he said. That's what he said.

00:33:42
Speaker 1: That's what he said. That's what we said.

00:33:46
Speaker 2: Some of those clips are really old because I know where those backdrops are from. Some of those clips are from July or before June.

00:33:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, here's the deal.

00:33:57
Speaker 4: This is an all time historic collapse of and do you know what, there's a part of us. It's still right because I said that Tigers are going to be in the playoffs, but I didn't say they were gonna win the Al Central. In that clip, the Tigers are still in the playoffs, but they're not maybe gonna win.

00:34:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tigers are should get in because the Astros can't win anymore.

00:34:19
Speaker 4: Also, but the fact that the Guardians control their own destiny. No, I mean, if the Guardians win today, it's over because they're basically three up with three to play, correct, So I'm never I mean they've won what they went seven thirteen, seventeen to.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Two their last nineteen games, something like that.

00:34:36
Speaker 5: Nobody had this coming.

00:34:38
Speaker 4: People in the Guardian's front office had this come now, Not even Stephen Vote had this.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: M I do point to that one interview I listened to, I think it was Santinetti. He's like, we're going to be a second half team, I'm telling you. Even though then they traded away he has to say that.

00:34:52
Speaker 4: I mean, the guys in Oakland say that every year too a Sacramento and the second half team we lose. We win twenty games, the first half we went fifty eight, and the second half.

00:34:59
Speaker 2: He means second half of the decade when they're in Vegas. Oh, that's what he means when he says that.

00:35:05
Speaker 1: Anyways, what did you say? We didn't hear you as.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: Much because I'm not wrong. I mean, I wasn't wrong. I would have been. Frankie would have put me in there. So I'm just gonna let you guys dig out of the hole that you put. It that you put the my past organization, the Cleveland Guardians. How can you How can you guys forget about these guys? They fight, they claw My friend Steven Vote, How could you guys do this to them? Never forget that offense?

00:35:38
Speaker 2: Man, that makes me forget a lot of Yeah.

00:35:41
Speaker 3: I mean, if.

00:35:43
Speaker 4: School, if school wouldn't try and snap the ball between his legs, which is I mean, he's just he's an unbelievably good pictures. You don't want to say you again, but I don't know what There's only one guy, Mark Burley, that can do that Okay, so let's not ever try that again.

00:35:56
Speaker 1: That was.

00:35:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean last night and then last night.

00:36:02
Speaker 4: And the thing about the Guardians is their starting pitchers just keep going six or seven and he's under two or less two or less, six or seven, two or less, two or less. And then when they get to Gaddis and Saborski and Kate Smith and everybody else they bringing from the back of no one scores on him.

00:36:16
Speaker 1: No, it's nasty.

00:36:17
Speaker 5: It's good stuff. Man, it's good.

00:36:19
Speaker 4: It's fun to watch, it's crazy to watch. But I can't believe that where we're at. I just can't believe where we're at.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: Joserez is so freaking good. He came through again last night.

00:36:32
Speaker 5: And then the defense is so good.

00:36:34
Speaker 2: Their defense is good. And Stephen Kwan is so valuable in these moments. That's my thing. I get it, like I'm obsessed with players that make contact, but Stephen Kuan's on another planet from a rise even because he's an all around player and I just remember him.

00:36:47
Speaker 1: From the postseason last year. It's like looking for a knock.

00:36:50
Speaker 2: Kwan's gonna make contact, little Blue Pier, and he's doing it again.

00:36:54
Speaker 1: He did it yesterday. The home run Valeria, George Leia the rookie.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have the tweet from Dan Clark about four players with fifty plus home run seasons. First time since two thousand and one four players have hit fifty plus in the same season. Back in one, it was Bond, Sosa, Gonzales, and Rodriguez. Now I got Raley, Schwarber, Otani and Judge superstars. You know what the crazy thing is too. I looked at some home run leaders for teams, like the Red's home run leader I think is Ellie with like twenty one. There's like five six teams that have guys who have like twenty homers ish and they're leading their team White.

00:37:33
Speaker 5: Sox Pirates don't have anybody with a lot.

00:37:36
Speaker 1: No, they were all on that list. I was looking.

00:37:39
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, it's not like you look across the board. It's like, oh, powers up balls, juice.

00:37:48
Speaker 5: Gunner.

00:37:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the twenties. Also, home run Derby.

00:37:54
Speaker 5: Just look at the Blue Jays. They don't have a lot of homers.

00:37:56
Speaker 1: No, that's true. That's true.

00:37:59
Speaker 2: Also, people were saying, hey, home run Derby has the home run Derby swing for cal Raley and Junior Camonaro.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: Can we stop with that crap narrative just.

00:38:10
Speaker 5: So people have the narrative they want to hear.

00:38:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun season for power crafts.

00:38:15
Speaker 5: Cardinals have no power someone's in the chat.

00:38:17
Speaker 2: Yep, that's a good point. That's a good point.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: I love those names that are on that tweet though, the four that were on the tweet. Put them, put them up against Judge, Otani, Schwarber, and cal just saying clean clean.

00:38:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, different times, different times.

00:38:41
Speaker 2: Everybody loves clean fifty plus, Yeah, everyone loves homers.

00:38:45
Speaker 4: But okay, I'm gonna say this, and I ain't accusing anybody of nothing, but.

00:38:50
Speaker 5: Let's stop with that. But what are you just both just said, let's just stop.

00:38:56
Speaker 4: I'm not saying anybody's doing anything. I don't want anyone to think that. But let's the clean, knock clean, that's the stuff.

00:39:02
Speaker 1: Okay. Can we agree it was the steroid era.

00:39:04
Speaker 5: It was the steroid as the arguing that.

00:39:06
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's that's it. Let's go there at least.

00:39:09
Speaker 4: But I mean, the guys in that list, there was no testing back then, So how do we know. Can't you can't just say that there's people in the Hall of Fame that did it.

00:39:18
Speaker 1: No doubt. Let's slap crats. Hats go.

00:39:36
Speaker 3: Come on. I was still in college. The last time they they made they won. They won the West College College.

00:39:48
Speaker 1: I would love to know.

00:39:48
Speaker 5: Crats in college.

00:39:52
Speaker 4: Against that team and one hundred and sixteen wins the record one of the craziest things teams I've ever seen. At one point, we had like a six top the lead against them. We're like, oh, we're gonna win. Actually, you know, it's six six and we're hanging We end up winning, but it was like hanging on for dear life is there?

00:40:07
Speaker 5: Just that lineup was sick.

00:40:09
Speaker 4: Edgar Olarude Boon, Dan Wilson was the catcher each your row, Mike cam or cam Rome. It was a freaking sick Evans was.

00:40:19
Speaker 5: On that team.

00:40:19
Speaker 1: Was the d S or CS where they lost the CS the Yankees.

00:40:25
Speaker 2: They're like, it's all right, we're gonna be back every year. That's what every team always says winning window.

00:40:29
Speaker 1: We'll be back every year.

00:40:31
Speaker 3: Was the CS to the Yankees, who they beat in the DS.

00:40:34
Speaker 4: Do you know, uh, Guardians, maybe Indians, White Sox. No, the White Sox weren't in that year. The Indians won the division that year because I was in the Central Red Sox.

00:40:50
Speaker 1: Maybe I think Cleveland. I mean they won the Central.

00:40:53
Speaker 4: Beliven if I know won the Central because we lost.

00:40:55
Speaker 2: Them, right right, Guys asked me these questions right at the buzzer here, I think Cleveland.

00:41:04
Speaker 1: Mariners two three two.

00:41:09
Speaker 3: The mats are plus one. Mist the playoffs and lock it.

00:41:13
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