The Valley Recap: Brotherhood is different than Sisterhood

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, the King of Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of Reality with the King. Can y'all just hear the excitement in my voice? That's because I am doing this episode with my GIRLA honey. I love her so much. She also has an amazing podcast called This Sarah Fraser Show.

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Speaker 2: So why not get into it with my girl? Sarah Frasier Carlos, I love you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: If we could only hit record on all the conversations that are not on the record, Honey, I.

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Speaker 2: Do not need to get into any more trouble. I listen.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we talked about this earlier too, Sarah. I sometimes forget that I have listeners, right because I just talk, I give my opinion and the next thing I know, I get a phone call or email or DM and I'm like, what are you talking about that?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't say it like that.

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Speaker 1: But Sarah, before we get into this recent episode of The Valley, have you ever had a run in with a talent on any show? Because your podcast you cover a multitude of shows. Yes, But have you ever said something that someone confronted you about and you're like, I said that and you like forgot about it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, our friend Ashley Darby from Real Housewaves to Potomac, oh, live on the stage at Monique Samuel's live podcast show at City Winery in DC, like four years ago. Oh, I was confronted. Yes, like you were saying you were happened. You were saying you know how to navigate, honey. I was a ball of sweat. I didn't know what to say. She was very upset because I had had Candace on my podcast and this is remember when they were really feuding, and remember when Candace sent out those tweets. I think Ashley was like giving birth the day she gave birth, and it was something like she's a concubine and nothing but a wench and like all these things. Remember, this is like going back, I remember all of that. Yes, I had Candace on, we read the tweets, we talked about it, and I don't know, I think I kind of laughed at some of them, like I thought they were comedic. And Ashley was not happy. She did not like the way that the interview was handled. She felt like we kind of made fun of her through on the Boss when she had been on My show, done my show, she and Michael they did one of my first live podcast episodes ever at DC Improv. So she was very upset with the way that it was handled. Yeah, she that was so. I hadn't that was the first time I've ever been confronted by talent, and so I just said to her. I was like, I get it fair enough. I mean, I I but I'm with you. I couldn't remember what the hell we said, Like she knew it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna thinking of myself, what what did we laugh at? I don't remember a damn you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember yesterday and then these everybody remembers.

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Speaker 3: She brought out her phone. She brought it up to the twenty minute mark.

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Speaker 2: She was I know she Sarah, no way, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding. She didn't Oh, my girl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Now she didn't I get it, but we're really cool. Since then, she's done my show again.

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Speaker 3: But that was the That was when I was like, oh damn, like they listen. Yeah, she wasn't happy.

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Speaker 2: Listen. I hope that nobody from The Valley is.

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Speaker 1: Going to confront us about this most recent episode. I am now a new fan of this show. It's something that my brain drops. Sarah has said, like, Carlos, you gotta watch The Valley, you gotta talk about it. It's the best Sean Bravo. I'm like, no, to me, that's married to medicine. That's my favorite Sean Bravo. But The Valley is really good. I'm gonna tell you why. It's so real and raw and gritty. It's not about like this affluent world. It's not about the diamonds and you know how much money you spend on your home. What I love about this show, Sarah, is it's real life people who are in their thirties somewhere in their forties, and they have grown up in Los Angeles, being on the West Hollywood, and they decided to settle down in the suburban area of Los Angeles, which is called the Valley. It's like Sherman Oaks and Studio City, all those things, and I'm so happy that we get to see real life situations and real conversations.

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Speaker 2: I'm in love of the Valley. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about this most recent episode, season two, so let's just get right into it because this cast is on.

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Speaker 2: Fire and I need the breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Of Sarah Fresh to explain to me what is going Ah, So.

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Speaker 3: You know what I like that?

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Speaker 4: You said you know what else I like about this Valley show? And I'm with you. It took people kept saying that to me. Watch it season one, I popped in, I popped out. This season is amazing, like okay, but the episode of confronting Jack's like the cocaine going to rehab episode was un believable at that moment, that fight between the two of them, like it was so real. He's the only one that's a little overproduced, I think on the show by him, like he just does it right.

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Speaker 2: By his own design.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, look, last night's episode was great. They were on their Santa Barbara wine trip. You know, Jax is away at Okay. I keep saying it's a rehab, but it's really not. It's like this wellness center, right, But then he's come out and basically admitted that he does have a cocaine addiction. He's newly sober, he's been sober at various points in his life, and then he falls off the wagon, does coke again, drinks Okay, So of course Jax is going to insert himself on this trip and with this wellness center that he's at here in California. In California, it's like illegal to take away your phone even though you're in rehab.

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Speaker 1: So wait, it's a legal situation. So if you take if you enter rehab in the state of California, legally they're not allowed to take away your phone.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're allowed to have certain like access to X amount of time, you know what I mean. So late, So with him, he is doing six hours, seven hours a day of therapy, right of intense therapy, and then he gets his phone for thirty minutes. So throughout the episode we're seeing him blow up Britney's phone. Basically, you know, he wants her to answer the phone, he wants her to pick up he wants her to offer him some sort of emotional support, and she's like, are you getting like what you've been? You're You've made me an emotional wreck. Now you're supposed to be away. I'm supposed to have a thirty day break from you. They've given you your phone, and now you're blowing up the phone NonStop. And of course Jesse is the one that let him know that they were going on this Santa Barbara trip, so Jacks is aware that they're away, they're supposed to be having a great time, and here he is like being Jack's.

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Speaker 1: No And it was so disturbing, honestly, like to have Brittany read the text messages and he's calling her disgusting, you put me in prison and pretty much blame her. And it's one of those things where it's like when you are in rehab or in this case, a wellness center, to get well, you have to take accountability, Like where is Teddy mellacamp as the accountability coach when you need her? Because I feel like Jack's who I have so much empathy for to admit on camera to the world that you do have a cocaine addiction, right, I give him so much grace for his bravery and his courage to reveal that. But in that space and in that his space, it's all about taking accountability. And I'm not saying Brittany is the most perfect person in the world, but what I am saying is she is not.

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Speaker 2: To blame for the drug addiction.

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Speaker 1: And to call the wellness center prison is like, no, shade, dude, you supposedly elected to do this yourself.

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Speaker 2: No one forced you to deal it.

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Speaker 1: From my understanding watching the show, so to blame her for all of those things, and I can't see my child because of you, you're my son, whatever, But I felt bad for Brittany that she had to be.

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Speaker 2: Be at fault for his own actions.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I think that's such a great point, right, I mean, that is the whole journey of sobriety, especially if you're in a twelve step program, is it's all about your own accountability. You know, you're the one in charge of your actions, your happiness, how you treat others, how you make amends, like the whole thing. I mean, there just doesn't seem now. Again, at this point, he's only been in the rehab whatever a few days something like that, a week, but there doesn't seem to be any accountability whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't and and listen.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing with Jesse, who, by the way, I had my podcast last week.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, oh my god, Okay tell me everything. Well, I mean I can go listen, but amazing I love him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean rain drops.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to my exclusive interview with Jesse Lally from The Valley, it's in last week's episode last Thursday, so make sure you listen to it. It's also my YouTube channel. He took so much accountability for what is honey, Honey, you have to listen to it, to the point where one hundred percent of my audience, at least on YouTube, the comments were so positive about like, while he's grown up, we see him changing. So I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but in this episode, when it came to Jesse telling Jacks that they were going on this trip and Jack's inserting himself, it is one of those things I feel like and I would love to get your thoughts on this, Sarah. Brotherhood is very different than sisterhood, obviously, right, so when guys converse, unfortunately, there is oftentimes a sensitivity chip that is missing, and I think Jesse just did not have the wherewithal to understand that when you're telling somebody in rehab about a trip, immediately fomo fear of missing out is going to be on the horizon for that person because in jackson defense, he's isolated, he's by himself, and he has to do seven hours of therapy.

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Speaker 2: So to note that your friends, your.

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Speaker 1: Castmate, and your baby mama, your wife Brittany is having fun and you're not there, it does something to your mental capacity to deal with it. And Brittany, to me, had every right to be upset about it because, on one hand, because of that the text came, she can't enjoy herself as Santa Barbara, but also she now has to feel guilty for enjoying her life. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think you absolutely nailed it.

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Speaker 4: Jesse's all about that bro chat that they all have going on that he thinks is so secretive, which is not.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean And also, okay, I have to listen to your interview because Jesse just seems really messy.

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Speaker 2: He does. He just he's a messy. He's messy boots, but.

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Speaker 3: No messy boots.

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Speaker 4: I think messy boots is such a great I'm like, see, I don't even give him the grace that he like accidentally told Jack's. I think he wanted Jack to know exactly what I feel like he knew he did that on purpose.

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Speaker 2: Oh but tell me why.

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Speaker 3: I did not take it as so much of a.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I didn't think Jesse seemed that contrite about it. He was just like, oh, yeah, sorry, I like I already told like Jacks. I'm like, you know, come on, you know how, Like, why aren't you providing him any information? Again, I'm still stuck on the fact that California allows somebody in a wellness mental rehab to be accessing their phone at like for any amount of time. But anyhow, why why are you sending out this much communication with Jack's. I thought it was messy and more intentional. He didn't seem at all apologetic. Really to Brittany when she was upset, it was kind of like, oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a theory that I have.

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Speaker 2: You want to hear it?

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Speaker 3: Tell me, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: So when you are a reality star, so listen, rain jobs and giving y'all some some tea, not tease, I'm not gonna say tea. I'm giving you guys some insight on how it works. Okay, when you are reality star, you get paid per episode, right, So you don't get a you don't get a one time fee, a salary, and regardless if you show up to and have ten episodes or five, you get this one salary.

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Speaker 2: You get paid per episode.

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Speaker 1: With Jack's being in this wellness place that is sort of like a rehab, he's missing out on money because he's not being in the episode because he's not physically there. So there is a theory that I have because Jacks and Jesse are bros and they are in the brochat. In order for Jacks to be in these episodes and get paid, why not send Brittany a skating text that you know is going to get read on camera. That keeps you alive and you get your episodic fee. Not only that us get into the video that he made big in rehab. Jacks is a reality TV guru. He understands how this works. Jacks knew sitting that video you're gonna play it like you're going to play it and it's going to be part of the conversation. So I think there could be something to orchestrating Jack's being alive in these episodes. So that he can get paid because he's not in Santa Barbara, which means what you're not you're definitely missing out on three episodes of this cast trip.

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Speaker 4: Okay, with your inside knowledge, do you think there's any way because Jackson is the one that really orchestrated the valley? I mean, do you think there that's so interesting? I mean because I guess he wouldn't be given a guarantee, right.

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Speaker 3: There wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: No one's given a guarantee.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so it'd still be episodic. He would only get paid by the episode that he was in. Then I feel like that was completely orchestrated and helped out by Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, when you are a reality star, you get things called a minimum guarantee. Like let's say your show normally gets like ten episodes, and contractually you can say, well, give me a minimum guarantee of like five, So like there's ways to work that into your contract if you have a good lawyer. But who knows if that's the case. It's a brand new show. This is season two, it's not. It's not like it's been on for ten seasons to where you kind of know, like we need you on the show, and this show is going to have like twenty five episodes like a Housewives, right, So I think with Jacks, I think some of it is fomo. I think the other part is listen, these people are relying on their episodic fee and I think with Jacks, what I saw, yes, was a man who was frustrated, but all soul saw a man who understands that to your point, this is my show in terms of how he feels right because he orchestrated everything and he feels like, I need to be alive in these episodes in order for me to get paid. And what better way for your messy bro Jesse, who I love to find a way to insert you in the store readline.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, which in a way, I was kind of happy because I'm gonna be honest that race car situation, like I thought they were actually going to like a NASCAR thing, and then when they started racing these stupid cars, like.

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Speaker 3: What do we are? Nine years old?

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Speaker 1: Were you?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are you really doing this?

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Speaker 4: They're all drusged up to go to a dirt racetrack with some stupid battery operated remote control cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what is this Chucky Cheese. Where it took Erica jabar.

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Speaker 3: Are burnt, I would have been so pissed. Now I'm sorry, Like.

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Speaker 4: When you have a kid and you're going there, fine, that's one thing, but as an adult getaway wine trip, and we've organized these stupid race cars via remote.

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Speaker 3: One of them flinched at that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, but what did you think about Jack's video.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: People on social media who did not care to see it. They're like, I don't care to see you all of a sudden, give us this sort of like apology video after we saw the scathing text you sent Brittany. We don't want to see this, we don't believe you, which I was sort of like, I'll tell you my opinion, I want to hear yours.

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, guys, it's easy to say how he should feel, what he should do in this wellness center. I think the biggest thing for me is the acknowledgement that he's struggling through an addiction.

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Speaker 2: And to me, there just isn't.

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Speaker 1: A right or wrong way of handling your emotions. Yes, it's wrong to not take accountability, but I do think when you're trying your best to find the words. I think there should be a little bit of grace when it comes to his experience dealing with himself. Don't blame Brittany, that is wrong, But when you're talking about yourself and your actions and how you're feeling, I think like, all right, let's see what he has to say. But what did you think? Did you think it was good to see it? Did you like seeing it?

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Speaker 3: Or look?

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Speaker 4: I am a sucker for any apology video, any sort of hard to hart mote.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 4: And I know a lot of times audiences, viewers do not they don't buy it, they don't believe it, they don't think people are sincere.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with you, and I think with.

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Speaker 4: Jax right, there's there's a reason it's gotten to this point clearly of him being at this wellness center.

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Speaker 3: You know, he admits he's like a control freak.

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Speaker 4: He needs all this reassurance from Britney all the time, constantly in his life, even though he's out hooking up with having sex with all these other people.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. I found that moment to be sincere for Jacks. Yeah, you know, for him do I think it was the most like the deepest like confession in owning your ish video of all time?

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Speaker 3: No, but I thought for him it was. I thought it was better to say, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think.

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Speaker 1: The show can't continue without Jax? Because it's one of those things where he's kind of like the face of the show. They did tape the reunion last week. Bravo released the seating chart. Obviously he had first chair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, where did he I know, I don't remember where the seating chart was, but yes, first Okay, he had.

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Speaker 1: First chair and Brittany had first chair opposite of him.

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Speaker 2: Jesse was sitting next to.

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Speaker 1: Jacks, And the gag to everybody was Michelle had last chair.

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Speaker 3: What do we think that means?

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Speaker 1: I know, I got so many mess Look look at me whispering to you like my rain drops aren't like listening to all of us.

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Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with Michelle, like all the people she's had sex with and hooked up with in the affairs, Like I like love it.

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Speaker 1: That's because you watched Sister Wise. Babe's so true.

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Speaker 4: Like I love a woman that's out there having like hot hookups with multiple men.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes, you're right.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, what's from I'm into a Polly Family baby.

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Speaker 2: Not the poll in the valley? Is that a shell the Valley poly addition, I was.

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Speaker 3: Gonna say, let's produce it. I'm ready. I want to audition some sister husban.

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Speaker 2: He was about to say, you were going to audition for that show?

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Speaker 3: I would How great would it be to have multiple husbands? Are you kidding? I love these shows, the bedrooms every night, Honey, you would never get bored.

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Speaker 4: We need a gay version, the straight version, the lesbian version.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm here for all of the versions, hoodies. So we realized that Michelle Listen. I like Michelle. I will admit to you, honey. I did gag when I saw the seating chart and she was last Sea because I'm like I thought Michelle was sitting next to Britney, opposite of Jesse, so I just assumed that was going to be the case. But I believe Kristen sitting next to Brittany and girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: They have Michelle at the end, and.

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I think Michelle's bringing up this season.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's big. Listen. She admitted to cheating on Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Jesse last week revealed this rumor that she slept with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night. When I asked him about it, he said, I don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: He said, in all fairness, I don't want to talk about it, And I'm.

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Speaker 1: Like, uh, okay, So I think he understood that, you know, was the most colorful comment to make about the mother of your children. But when it comes to even like Janet versus Jesse in this episode and how they were attacking Jesse's girlfriend, what do you make up all of that?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's so interesting about Michelle.

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Speaker 3: You still get me because I'm with you. I think I'm so curious.

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Speaker 4: And you know, there's so many rumors of all the people that she's like hooked up with and hasn't she allegedly didn't. She admit to too having an affair with Quentin Tarantino. I don't think he was really an affair. I think she like hooked up. I think this was before Jesse. Okay, I gotta go read my gossip story. But I think the new I think there's a news story out now.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to find it.

00:24:06
Speaker 2: Funtion, Now, this is no We love breaking news.

00:24:10
Speaker 4: Okay, I swear I just read a gossip story Michelle from The Valley Quentin Tarantino.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, wait.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, give us a scoop, girl.

00:24:20
Speaker 4: Michelle reveals the director she was with at Chateau Marmont. Yes, the identity of the mystery director who she befriended at the chateau. The director was Quentin Tarantino, Michelle confessed on a March thirty first episode of her podcast Pursuit of Sassiness, before confirming that she still hangs out with him and they still talk.

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Speaker 3: She just emailed him the other week.

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Speaker 4: In case you need a refresher, Jesse Lanley mentioned that Michelle had been spending time with a famous director on The Valley season one, and now it's just been revealed a couple of months ago that that famous director was Quentin Tarantino. How can we get rid of this woman? She's like been with Quentin Tarantino. She's haiven affairs. I may have some other scoop about her coming out about another affair with a guy in the Valley.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we'll talk about it.

00:25:05
Speaker 4: But I like the Jesse. I like Jesse, the Jesse and Janet drama and.

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Speaker 3: Janet.

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Speaker 4: Janet's bringing it and then that little argument she had with Zack, the confertation. I don't even know if there's still going to be friends or if they can be.

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Speaker 1: I like Janet, miss Jackson of your Nasty. I love Janet, I think listen. She is fun to watch because she has like this deadpand sort of like response to shit, especially right Sarah in her interviews. But and I love Zach. I love his eyes, I love his expression, I love his hair.

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Speaker 2: I just think he's so funny the way he cries.

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Speaker 4: That scene where they're having like a talk and he's just like, it's like it's like our girl Candice Dillard Bassett all over again.

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Speaker 2: He's just crying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, with the triangle, it is like he is dipping his eyes. They couldn't roll up any further in his head.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: No, Janet is low key. She's a little shady. You don't think she's gonna be but she like confronts people. She's got a lot to say.

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Speaker 2: No, So what do you think about Janet and Zach?

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Speaker 1: You know the attempt was to make up, because can you explain to us the entire backstory because from my recollection, a lot of this stem from and you tell me if I got this wrong, But from my understanding, Janet as Zach issue stems from I think Jenna was pregnant and Zach tried to like have an argument with her, and somebody said, like, don't argue with her, she could lose her baby, and he said, like, I don't care, something along those lines.

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 4: And I think it happened at the opening of Jack's studio City Bar, and he got blackout and then started exactly started talking all this shit about like Janet the baby comment. He doesn't even remember what he said, and she's taking it very personally. I think you're you're accurate. All went down at the bar, okay. So, And it's interesting though, because I was also watching The Valley After show last night and Janet says, because Zach's like, oh, we've we've had this long friendship, We've been friends for a long time, and then Janet goes, we're not friends.

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Speaker 3: We were not like that friendly.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Janet is so shady.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: I stand for you, sister.

00:27:28
Speaker 4: I'm like, Janet, who are you gonna have as a friend on this Damn show girl, you're coming for Jesse?

00:27:33
Speaker 3: Now? You would? You don't want to be friends with Zach? After you all left it that you guys.

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Speaker 4: Were going to try to come together, and Zach was like, you know, friends make mistakes, friends like own it and own up to it. Jesse seems like a messy drunk. I want to go out with him, Jesse Jack, Jesse's probably.

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Speaker 2: No, do you think? So? What is that? Do you think? Zach?

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Speaker 1: Just like I said, I like Zack, I did feel Tell me what you think? I felt he was being sincere and I don't know, I felt.

00:28:12
Speaker 2: Back of the kid.

00:28:14
Speaker 4: Zach seems to me very sincere, but he also seems like he seems like another one.

00:28:21
Speaker 3: That might benefit from a thirty day well Inness program. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

00:28:26
Speaker 4: Do you have that friend that like they're too old to be like as drunk and messy as they are, but they still are you know that person?

00:28:35
Speaker 2: Yes?

00:28:35
Speaker 4: I we have, absolutely, and like, I don't think he's another one do I feel? Look, he was emotional last night apologizing to her. I truly believe he really wants to move forward. But do I think that he would do it again. I completely do. It's like Jesse, I think absolutely knew what he did when he texted Jackson. He wanted Jackson know they were in Santa And I think Zach is a messy drunk who I mean, he's lafe at the party, like he'd be.

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Speaker 3: So much fun.

00:29:07
Speaker 4: But I don't see it getting better between he and Janet. And I'm telling you that after show he was she was, she was not really having him, like it did not seem like things were going better.

00:29:19
Speaker 2: So done with him.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: I kind of got that vibe from the after show. Yeah, I got that.

00:29:30
Speaker 1: Child. We are just getting started. This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

00:29:50
Speaker 2: Sorry, Zach, Honey, I try, girl. I don't know.

00:29:53
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's more to it than we know, but Jannet ain't having it baby, And possibly Zach, you did more than what the audience.

00:30:04
Speaker 2: I eat.

00:30:04
Speaker 1: Sarah, and I saw that warrants her to really just put the final down the coffin of the friendship. Now, one of the scenes in this episode that was heartfelt was Jesse and Michelle's conversation.

00:30:22
Speaker 4: I know that they're going to try to like be amicable and like, you know, they're apologizing.

00:30:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did think that was good.

00:30:32
Speaker 1: I thought it was so good because listen, listen, I really Okay, I'm gonna say this. Jackson Brittany arguably are the face of the valley.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: It is what it is, right, totally, And I.

00:30:45
Speaker 3: Think Kristin Doty right, because yeah I think so too.

00:30:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Kristin for sure.

00:30:51
Speaker 1: So when I was talking about Jackson Brittany, you know, as the couple, they are the premier couple, right.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: But I will say, as a viewer, there.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: Is something I can't take my eyes off of when I watch Jesse and Michelle because I agree, right, I feel it gives me old school soap opera where you have these two wounded individuals who both made mistakes in their marriage, and I feel like, deep, deep, deep down inside, there's some love there.

00:31:33
Speaker 2: But I think the hurt, the pain, and the.

00:31:36
Speaker 1: Ego from both sides is preventing them from getting to a place, even if it's not a reconciliation. Although this may be you know, just me, I feel like if they ever sat down and had a conversation and just like brought everything to the forefront and a lot of each other to be heard and not not listen to respond, but listen to understand.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: I see a world where they could get back together.

00:32:09
Speaker 3: Oh so far, that is so.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: I see love that hart to heart.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: I'm like, no one talks like this with this emotion if there wasn't some sense of like love there, am I am, I am I thing.

00:32:29
Speaker 4: I think that's an accurate description of those two because even it's so that is so fascinating. You're right to watch them fight because even that episode, like not last night's episode, but the one before last week, it was also just interesting when she was so hurt when he like, you know, when she was like.

00:32:46
Speaker 3: You know, you've called me a bad mother and like you you know.

00:32:49
Speaker 4: And he's like, I have never said that about you, like I've never There is something very deep about the two of them. And although they fight they hate each other, they sort of have you know, they're like crying and emotional. It does seem it does, isn't it odd? It almost seems less toxic than Brittany and Jackson.

00:33:06
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It seems less.

00:33:09
Speaker 4: It does seem more like they're like they almost could reconcile. Oh my god, do we feel like they could reconcile too if they were on that show. If they didn't, if they didn't do reality TV, they actually be together.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: I think, listen, the beauty of reality television is it oftentimes puts you in a position to have tough conversations because you guys are filming and you may avoid each other in real life, but we're going to show together. You're like, well, we got to talk about it because it's happening and we're in the same room. And I think that's the reason why Van der Pum Rules have to be rebooted, because to watch an entire season not seeing Arianna and Tom talk about their relationship, Yep, not working out, but you guys are living together, but we as the audience don't see a conversation. I think that was a huge mistake that they played on their part, on their part, right, yeah, because the audience needs that. And I think when it comes to Michelle and Jesse, I think I think they're dynamic being on the show together, filming together, and then sharing a child. I think you're sort of like in this position to have tough conversations to get to a resolution.

00:34:36
Speaker 2: But I also know that.

00:34:39
Speaker 1: Sometimes the ego can get the best of you. Because listen, if I'm Michelle, would.

00:34:47
Speaker 2: I be seen as a dumb woman.

00:34:49
Speaker 1: Who forgave this man for spreading these rumors about me?

00:34:53
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, you.

00:34:55
Speaker 4: Gotta be tough, tough, but yet I feel like, look, if you've been a sleep with Quentin Tarantino, you're kind of good ego, you know what I mean? Can you imagine he's a nightmare? I mean the ship that must come out of his mouth while.

00:35:11
Speaker 3: He's boning you.

00:35:12
Speaker 4: I mean, give me a break, Like you know what I mean, He's toking a murder scenes everything else.

00:35:15
Speaker 3: You gotta have a tough skin. She was hooking up with him and they're still friends.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: I did you go? Right? Right?

00:35:24
Speaker 4: I don't think I don't think she gives one rip what people think. I don't think she gives one. That girl's at the Chateau Marmande. She got a hook up with anybody and everybody.

00:35:34
Speaker 3: She doesn't care. Kyle and Morgan walk in. Honey, let's do a threesome.

00:35:38
Speaker 1: Oh my god, sister, wise, sister, sister, Yes.

00:35:46
Speaker 3: Your sister, sister. Now, let me ask you this.

00:35:51
Speaker 4: You are the producing king, you know you are Carlos King.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: Do we think do we think that the.

00:35:58
Speaker 4: Valley do we think that Jack's you know who, I mean, just the absolute ring master?

00:36:05
Speaker 3: Because you just brought up a great point.

00:36:07
Speaker 4: Vpr ended because really everybody took a side. Nobody was willing to talk, people were not willing to come. The only one that I think tried to desperately save that show was La La, who was like trying to come across the fence and like bring sand of ball back into the fold and everything. Right, do we think because you know, Jesse has moved on, has a girlfriend, I mean, do we think there's any real deep connection or do we think Jack's got together and said to them, Look, I'm going to give you all the playbook and y'all are going to play by the royal these damn rules you want. And the moment you silo yourself and you refilmed, you refuse to film with somebody.

00:36:43
Speaker 3: I mean, look at New.

00:36:44
Speaker 4: Jersey, right, I mean, are we here because of Melissa and Trey?

00:36:49
Speaker 3: I mean, I just is it really is it?

00:36:52
Speaker 4: Since we've seen so many insincere relationships? I mean, is this sort of deepness with Michelle and Jesse in the back and forth. Do we think it's real or do we think they are? Jesse is just as smart as Jackson is, Like, girl, I'm on back here. Put it on the night you did, Quentin Tarantina.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: You gotta put on this.

00:37:18
Speaker 1: Good question. I think all of the above. I think, listen, I'm gonna tell you something. When you are a reality star and you get a taste of the money and the fame and the enjoyment of being relevant, right, and you have that for years and like that is taken away from you, a lot of humbling things start to happen where you think about your time on the show and should have, would have, could have and damn if I just if I if I would have known.

00:38:02
Speaker 2: Then what I know now, It'll been a different story.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: I think bpr being ripped away from Jack's humbled him. And I think everybody around him saw what that looked like and felt like and cannot imagine that. I do believe what Jesse and Michelle are going through is one hundred percent real. However, I also think Jacks understands you don't get more than three chances.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you don't get more than two chances.

00:38:32
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you don't get more than two chances of getting on a reality show.

00:38:37
Speaker 2: You just don't.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: And I think Jax understands that this show has to be great. And I definitely think he had a pep talk to Jesse and to the boys, and the boys chat, and I think they're all on the same pace that this show has to work. But the only way this show's going to work is that we all be real and we all don't have rules of engagement or disengagement. Hey mayor the Marks, We're not disengaging. We're going to engage, right. And I think when you look at Jesse, I think Jesse is one of the smartest strategic male reality starts on television. He's handsome to look at, he's super charming, he's he's a joy. And when I find so interesting about him is the audience said on my YouTube channel that I kind of like him more than Michelle. And that's rare because in any situation, the audience side with the women. And to know that Jesse has this fan base, I'm I'm I love I love the boy too.

00:39:46
Speaker 2: I love the guy. He's great.

00:39:48
Speaker 4: Really, that's so fascinating about your comments because I also feel like what I like about Jesse's I think he's not afraid to be a villain either. And you know, I think Sandoval, Tom Sandoval had such a hard time embracing the villain, you know, role I think he still does sometimes you just get like Jax, I don't think cares Jax is Like, to make a good show, you have to have a villain. You have to have somebody that people hate on that sometimes has this redemption arc.

00:40:16
Speaker 3: I mean, not even to mention. I mean it's a whole other show that we'll have to do.

00:40:19
Speaker 4: But like, how is how is Jax Taylor going to continue to own a bar with being a recovering coke addict and alcohol being the gateway to starting to do coke.

00:40:29
Speaker 3: I don't even know how you're going to do that, but anyway.

00:40:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So it's so funny that people like Jesse that much because I'm like, I also see him having some seasons of just being the villain even more so.

00:40:40
Speaker 3: But your audience really likes.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: Him, honey, Go on my YouTube channel after this, watch an interview.

00:40:47
Speaker 2: Look at the comments.

00:40:48
Speaker 1: They're in love with Jesse and I and listen is one thing to hear our conversation on the audio side of the podcast, but to watch it you get to see his He looked so sincere, and the way he did not bash Michelle to me showed me growth and the fact that he's trying to figure things out with her. But I think to your point, the Valley's success and this is this is big brother Carlos King give you guys some advice. In order for the Valley to remain successful, you guys have to continue being real, being authentic, nobody. We don't give two shits about the fancy cars and fancy clothes.

00:41:33
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about that on the show.

00:41:35
Speaker 4: I think people are over it. Yeah, especially yeah. I don't think they care on this show at all.

00:41:39
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: So I think I think they're all smart, and I think I think it's because they saw, like we don't want what happened to Vandupron rules to happen to us. Because I promise you when I said this.

00:41:54
Speaker 4: I.

00:41:55
Speaker 1: Strongly believe Arianna is gonna wake up one day and regret not making it work the best way she could had her last season of Band.

00:42:04
Speaker 2: The Pump Rolls.

00:42:06
Speaker 4: I love that assessment. I have always said that I've always right always, while then I'm sure for Arianna that was the most very hurtful. It was embarrassing, but you like one, and you were winning while this whole like from the moment this happened, and I think it was just such a Yeah.

00:42:29
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:42:30
Speaker 4: I think it was such a bad way to go out, and I think there was just so much more there that that really gave that show the kind.

00:42:35
Speaker 3: Of reboot it needed.

00:42:37
Speaker 4: And I think if it was if it played out differently, we'd still be seeing we wouldn't be going through this whole thing where we're shooting a whole new VPR reboot with a cast I don't know that we're going to care about.

00:42:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh one last thing, so rain drops. Bravo announced today that did you read this.

00:42:56
Speaker 4: An well, yeah, the Real Housewives of Island, which we'd all been hearing. But and actually, I think the last time you and I chatted and I was here, we were.

00:43:06
Speaker 3: Like, is this real?

00:43:07
Speaker 2: Yes?

00:43:07
Speaker 3: Yes, now it's supposed Now it's.

00:43:09
Speaker 2: Real, it's real.

00:43:10
Speaker 1: So the Real housewass of Rhode Island is set against the shores of the Ocean state pretty much, it's the Housewives child. So that's the Rhode Island. Ladies of London is coming back. They're doing white Swap the Real Housewives Audish and they're doing the Valley Pursian style, which is pretty much shots of Sunset Soft reboots Base in the Valley with Rezia Gig and My Girl MJ leading the pack as well. But in this announcement, they also announced the returns of like Maritime.

00:43:44
Speaker 2: Medicine, a bunch of other shows.

00:43:47
Speaker 1: What was noticeably absent that my rain drops blew me up on Twitter, they said Carlos, they did not announce the return of Ronee And I'm like.

00:44:00
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

00:44:01
Speaker 1: So I'm like refreshing the feed and I'm like, what are y'all talking about?

00:44:07
Speaker 2: As I'm like trying to like figure that out out.

00:44:11
Speaker 3: Wait, do we think there would be an announcement?

00:44:14
Speaker 2: Well? Do we think the thing is this?

00:44:17
Speaker 1: One of the things that is interesting is when it was revealed about the news shows and what was returning and what shows already airing and in production. Based on what I've read, and I'm going to put it up for you now because we are journalists, hey, Portia, and we want to make sure that we always report on the news accurately. Okay, So they did announce, like I said, the four news shows. I just read, they announced the returns of a bunch of Beverly Hills, for example, which I mean, honey.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: Well, we really be letting the apple of.

00:45:00
Speaker 3: Andy's eye all the pun intended.

00:45:02
Speaker 2: Oh that was good. I like that. I like that. I like that. So no, I don't I think this. I am curious. Okay. So okay, I have the article up for you, honey, I'm going to read it to you.

00:45:16
Speaker 1: So, like I said, they announced all these shows blah blah.

00:45:20
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

00:45:22
Speaker 1: So Orange County, Beverly Hills, now the pump rules.

00:45:28
Speaker 2: Let me see what else? Okay?

00:45:32
Speaker 1: All right, So meanwhile, the Real Housewives of Belly Hills, the Real Housewives of Orange County, the Real Housewives of Potombac, and the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City were all renewed for another season. They did not mention New Jersey or New York.

00:45:55
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you?

00:45:56
Speaker 4: I mean, Look, you're the insider. Do you think this is it? Do you think we're done with with Ronie? I mean I think it's a trochi. I think it's so bad, like, I think we need to call it. I think if Rhode Island can can bring anything.

00:46:11
Speaker 3: It will. I don't know that we'll miss it. I don't know. I mean, I know it's New York City. I know New York is iconic.

00:46:17
Speaker 1: I think New York should go through what Miami went through and be off the air for a couple of years and come back.

00:46:24
Speaker 2: And I think, I do you.

00:46:30
Speaker 4: Think they're really going to recast it again, even if they give us three.

00:46:34
Speaker 2: Break base Listen.

00:46:35
Speaker 1: The only episode I watched last season, I watched the premiere and I was I was like, I can't do this. And then I watched like the finale because obviously what Brent did to Uba, I'm like, oh my lord Jesus, and it was so dark. I think that didn't help the case. I think, uh, these those women aren't friends. I don't care whose birthday parties y'all go to and pose in front of Apple iPhone sixteen promax.

00:47:02
Speaker 2: I don't believe the friendship there.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, And I think when it comes to figuring it out, listen, I think Rhode Island, which is sort of like kind of near New York City, kind of near Jersey, and to have New York and New Jersey not be announced as a renewal.

00:47:25
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to New.

00:47:27
Speaker 1: York City, they could be casting, and maybe it's contingent upon casting, the way Dallas Housewives was, because remember Dallas Housewise was.

00:47:40
Speaker 2: In the middle of casting and they pulled the plug.

00:47:43
Speaker 4: Like fuck it, like exact, yeah, I know, we've all moved on and like we're fine.

00:47:48
Speaker 2: Do you miss Dallas?

00:47:50
Speaker 4: No?

00:47:50
Speaker 3: Do you no?

00:47:52
Speaker 2: No?

00:47:52
Speaker 3: I never even think about Dallas. I mean, Salt Lake is like came out of nowhere.

00:47:56
Speaker 4: It is like now in my top three. I mean I miss I will miss new This Roney reboot. It was so bad, Like I had so much hope even season one. I watched season one. I was into it.

00:48:07
Speaker 3: I had hope. I thought Jenna Lyons, I love season too, Sarah.

00:48:11
Speaker 4: I thought Jenna was gonna be great and okay, she wasn't great, but I thought okay. But I mean it jumped the shark in a way. I can't even believe that they kept filming. I mean, Rebecca Minkoff was like what a waste of a I don't even know how to say it was so bad, right, I mean, have you ever seen anything worse? It was really bad. It was I can't even speechless. I mean, in the first couple of episodes of season two of Ronie, when they were sitting out at Aaron Leechi's place in the Hamptons and they had nothing to do and they were sitting on the ground like board eating cheese in her kitchen, I'm like.

00:48:47
Speaker 3: This is atrocious.

00:48:48
Speaker 4: Compared to the days when we had Sonyaita and Remote, they would have been drunk, stabbing each other with knives. By this point, Lan would have found man in the woods. She would have been shagging him. I mean, it would have been like we would have had so much and it was so boring.

00:49:06
Speaker 3: I was like, it's over. So maybe you're right. And I don't know.

00:49:11
Speaker 4: Andy keeps kind of doing this thing where he's going to drag things out to twenty twenty six. I mean, could Bravocon this year be the big announcements of Roney return and something with New Jersey. Maybe they're holding it till then. But I just don't know who's watching that cast for Roney season three.

00:49:29
Speaker 2: I'm not watching that cast.

00:49:31
Speaker 1: And and I said this too, I think as individual women, they are beautiful, accomplished and successful, and.

00:49:40
Speaker 2: That's I and I will always give them that.

00:49:43
Speaker 1: I think as a collective unit, there's no chemistry there that I enjoy watching. And that's and that's that's that's just the way it is. There's no chemistry. That's why the Valley is great. The Valley has great chemistry. Mareton Medicine, Bailly Hill's Better watch out. We need chemistry.

00:50:00
Speaker 4: I need I I know what are we gonna do?

00:50:04
Speaker 1: I girl, because I'm telling you listen, CoP's my favorite.

00:50:09
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's never gonna change.

00:50:11
Speaker 1: But I the only friendship I enjoyed last season was Eric Heundur Eats.

00:50:17
Speaker 2: I could watch them all day. I love it.

00:50:19
Speaker 4: I mean, do we see a see a scenario where our girl, Teddy Mellencamp, you know, is Teddy Mellencamp coming back?

00:50:24
Speaker 1: I mean, I personally would love Teddy to come back. I think, I mean, first and foremost, I want to make sure she takes care of herself and beats cancer. And she's so far, so good in her and her journey.

00:50:37
Speaker 2: But look, I think.

00:50:41
Speaker 1: I think the message to me if I had to like give a message in this episode based on us recapping the Valley and talking about the non announcement of a renewal for New York and Jersey.

00:50:55
Speaker 2: And how bad the rules have to be rebooted. Fully.

00:50:59
Speaker 1: My to all the casts in the world is, if you are on an ensemble show, it works because of the ensemble and the moment you think you're too big to film with somebody for ego or for whatever is going to ruin the show, not only for.

00:51:20
Speaker 2: The other people, but also for you.

00:51:22
Speaker 1: So always remember that you're only as good as the rest of your cast.

00:51:27
Speaker 2: It's like a basketball team.

00:51:28
Speaker 1: Lebron James is the greatest ball player out right now currently, but the Lakers just got eliminated from the playoffs because at the end of the day, it takes an entire team to win championships. And trust me, for my sports listeners, there's going to be a reboot of the Lakers.

00:51:56
Speaker 3: I'm so with you. I think the value is so good.

00:51:59
Speaker 4: I think Jackson Taylor got fired and spent five years studying, analyzing, figuring out what was wrong, to never make those mistakes. And I think that cast was put together much in part by Jacks who is a brilliant producer. And I love it. It's super entertaining. And I mean, we'll see where the housewives go.

00:52:23
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll.

00:52:25
Speaker 2: See, we'll see, we'll see.

00:52:26
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I know you have a lot of stuff going on. Your podcast is so good.

00:52:32
Speaker 2: Listen.

00:52:33
Speaker 1: If you have not subscribed downloaded the Sarah Fraser podcast, you have to do it.

00:52:37
Speaker 2: It's so good, it's so fun.

00:52:39
Speaker 1: She's she has such great insight and as you all know, she's hilarious. She's not new to this, not new to the reality of the king world either. But to all my listeners, please please subscribe and download her podcast.

00:52:52
Speaker 2: But Sarah, talk to them about it.

00:52:55
Speaker 1: Let them know what shows you talk about, because you also talk about a lot of teal sells too.

00:53:02
Speaker 4: Oh my god, rain drops. If you also indulge in sister Wives. There's a new one, Polly Family. Have you seen this one where it's two couples in a closed quad of you. Okay, these two straight couples. They've lived together, honey. The men take their toothbrushes and pillow from bedroom to bedroom. One of the chicks is pregnant. They don't know who the daddy is because the men go between the bedrooms each night. This is a real show, Polly Family, It's epic. Then if these people are not crazy enough, do you have time to be like a swinger? The one of the women decide she wants to add a woman, a fifth person into their relationship because things are apparently going so well. You don't even know who the daddy is or your babies. You want to add in somebody else here. Oh my god, I mean we need an Apple AirTag for everything in that house.

00:53:47
Speaker 2: Anyway.

00:53:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sister Wife.

00:53:50
Speaker 4: People really know me from Sister Wives. I've been covering that for years. Some of the other TLC shows I do cover Bravo every single week, some of the Tea with Bravo and the shows so into that. And then I have a variety of pop culture guests, so our girl Megan McCain, who we love has been on the show, Drake Bell, just people that are really kind of are talked about and in the moment of pop culture.

00:54:13
Speaker 2: Listen.

00:54:14
Speaker 1: I love your show, I love you Becoming on. Thank you so much, and I will see you soon.

00:54:19
Speaker 3: I love you by Gorgeous safe travels, see you soon.

00:54:22
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00:54:27
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