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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Combine getting underway. We'll talk about that. In fact, let me start there with the combine. You got players who are going to be arriving today or yesterday. Coaches and GMS are still talking. The media gets an opportunity. This is this is sort of the woodstock of you know, off season where you get local reporters. Everybody gets a chance, and it's just you know, a massive media there to be able to ask coaches in GMS questions and then of course the players are going to be there at the combine. And you know, when you look at college football, it's amazing. I looked at Mel Kuiper's latest mock draft, and you go, man, Ohio State had more talent than anybody else in the country, at least according to Mel's draft. So he's got Caleb Downs, a safety going number two to the Jets. I think he's got five Ohio State players who could go in the top fifteen. Carnell Tait is a wide receiver, he could be going. Sonny Styles a linebacker, he could be going. They got an offensive lineman who could be going first round. And what did Ohio State have to show for this. I'm looking at the schools that are most represented at Combine Texas A and m thirteen players, Alabama twelve, Ohio State eleven, LSU eleven, Georgia ten, Oklahoma ten, Miami ten, Clemson nine, Indiana nine. And that's the unique part of this is you can have individual talent, but a team will carry you through the playoffs. And you saw that with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national title. Because blue chip depth at premium positions great, A few programs can match the ceiling. But Ohio State didn't win the Big Ten, got man handled by Miami in the player else. But they're still sending eleven players to the Combine, and you're probably going to have five of those players drafted in the first round. Seeton. Let's pull question for the first hour of the program.

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Speaker 3: We got some options here for you. I think maybe we start with the combine though, and talk about is arm length the new hand size? Is arm length the new hand size?

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Speaker 2: I was hoping to get five minutes into today's show. I couldn't do it. Four minutes and twenty two seconds into the show and we've brought up arm length. You know, I love hand size. You know, I do.

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Speaker 3: I think this is actually a movement by the small hands community to take the focus off of them.

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Speaker 2: Marvin, do you.

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Speaker 3: Care to comment?

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Speaker 4: How would you guys even figure that?

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Speaker 3: I think the small hands lobbyists are working. You know, it's actually more about arm length than it is hand size, just saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it we don't make a big deal about hand size for wide receivers. It's easy to throw a football. It's hard to catch a football or easier to throw a football. But you know, the patron saint of small hands, Kenny Pickett. We got to get an autograph jersey of Kenny Pickett. Yeah, and you know you're in good hands with Kenny Pickett. How did they How did Allstate not do something with Kenny Pickett like little good hands?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Todd, I don't think we make a big deal about the size of the hands of receivers because that's sticky stuff that got in the gloves works in all sizes.

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Speaker 2: Fair.

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Speaker 4: Are you worried about the size of your head?

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Speaker 2: All right? That's fair? Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Dan, we've been tracking this year at the Dan Patrick Show and peak hand size of development and talk was twenty twenty two around Kenny Pickett out of Pittsburgh. Last year, the spike was Will Campbell, the former LSU offensive lineman. I think he was taken fourth overall, but at the combine his arms measured sit down, if you're ready to hear this thirty two and five eighth inches.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It was shocking and it became one of the bigger topics early in the draft.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So my arms are longer than his.

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Speaker 3: Not wingspan each arm? Yes, straight up. You know how long your arms are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you keep that in your head at all times.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, you've been measured for a shirt, a dress shirt, or you know, a sport code.

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Speaker 3: I have it' Well I don't know that I have here since my brother's wedding.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well shirt length, Yeah, yeah, I've been measured for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing the longest arms.

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Speaker 6: We are doing that tomorrow. We're doing arm length on the show. But Will Campbell was a big topic last year. I could find you a dozen articles talked about his arm length and whether it's a negative going into the league.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, please, please, somebody have shorter arms than me.

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 4: I don't ask for much in this life.

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Speaker 2: Now, all of a sudden, I'm looking around here. I don't know, well, you could have long arms and small hands.

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Speaker 4: Marvin, Oh great, thanks, I'm still mad at Kenny Picky.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, what a great day that was. Yeah, top three greatest days of my life.

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Speaker 2: I know you got married, you had your kid, and you found out your hands are bigger than Marvin's.

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Speaker 3: Essentially that I don't have the smallest hands here.

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Speaker 2: It is awesome. And the fact that nobody knew what the results were. We all got our hands measured by Ray, one of the back room guys, and kept it secret. So as we're unveiling this and the smallest hands and seatans ready.

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Speaker 3: To go, it's obviously me. I know that I have tiny hands.

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Speaker 2: I'm aware. And then all of a sudden, Marvin as the smallest hands. Yes, Mark, I knew it was.

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Speaker 4: Bad when we measured the hands back with Ray or Ray just kind of looked at.

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Speaker 8: Me, Oh, not as big as I thought.

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Speaker 2: So arm length is going to be a big deal and we'll be all over that, you know, once the results come rolling in here. I'm still I'm focusing on hand size here, of course. Yeah, I know, Paulie said, you're you know, you got to get up, you know, caught up with uh, you're in the dark ages here. I still care about the hand size. And there here's another thing. Why don't we measure fingers not your hand size? Because if I'm a quarterback, I got to put my fingers around a football. Because you can have a big palm.

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Speaker 3: What do you have against palms? What do you have against palms?

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Speaker 2: Hey? When I was in Panama. When I was in Panama, I Palm Sunday, went and got my you know, I went to Salo and I got my ashes down there in Palo Yeah. I walked into a church there got the ashes. They do that on Sundays or Wednesday there. I think it was a Wednesday Wednesday for the ashes. Yeah, but maybe Palm Sundays involved in that, right, it's in the process. Okay, that's coming.

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Speaker 4: Up the week before Easter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's a bad reference there, but I did get the ashes.

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Speaker 3: Unless your time traveled, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, Palm Sunday is going to be a big day.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to pan them off with pumps?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, only I was just down there then PanAm off for stem cell and My wife goes hey ash Wednesday, and I go all right, So we walked in, walked into a church, boom, got ashes on our forehead, and then went to dinner.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Paul, back to arm length. Ground zero for arm length this year at the combine is Miami defensive end Ruben Bain. He's six two two seventy seven and they're still gonna We don't have official arm length on him yet or hand size, but he's a big topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Did he talk about this, Marvin? Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: None of the teams seemed to be took a sign with it. As long as talking walk to walk, play with technique, nobody really asks me about it, So I really don't give the kind of time of day for it. That's this all stuff I feel like you said on social media. But none of the teams have a sad so I'm not so decided.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he doesn't have long arms? Is that what he's saying? This is this is already a concern.

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Speaker 3: Some scouts are.

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Speaker 6: Saying they might be under thirty three inches and that is a red flag for a defensive end who you need to get people off you.

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Speaker 2: But I'd rather have my offensive Lineman have long arms, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He sounded very defensive in that.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh he is. He's defensive, but he was.

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Speaker 3: Good enough to play well for Miami for yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well they got to talk about something here, you know. But yeah, the arm length, that's a big deal, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 4: But maybe you can sneak holding with shorter arm length. It's tougher to.

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Speaker 5: See the holding if you've got these big long arms like an octopus.

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Speaker 4: It's very easy to see if you're holding somebody.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Ton, welcome, Uh Seaton, what's pull question for the first hour?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to have two up there. Now, what are you most looking forward to from this year's NFL combine? Hand size or arm length? And we're also putting up there? Do you know the length of your arms?

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys have any idea?

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Speaker 6: Paul, my dress shirt is thirty two and a half inches the armlength.

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Speaker 2: Your arms are as long as the Patriots off inch of line.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those are the shirts I bought. When I purchased shirts thirty two and a half inches. I like to pop my cuffs.

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Speaker 3: Yes see, I don't know what this says about me, but my shirt size has always come with an SM or an L. I've never seen numbers attached to it.

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Speaker 2: You've never gone to a tailor.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I did. When my brother got married, I did well. I guess when I got married, I did too. But I don't remember any of that. Uh No, I haven't, not in eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Years or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's been a long time. There's no judging here. Yeah, it's usually L or EXL, I am I in these days it's a It's one of those letter combinations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 6: When you buy a dress shirt, you do neck and then arm length, so it would be like seventeen inches thirty two thirty three. Yeah, thirty two thirty three is short, thirty four to thirty five is medium, thirty six thirty seven is long with shirt length.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Back to you. Yeah, all right, Marvin, do you know your arm length?

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Speaker 4: L XL.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the same boat as see Fritzy, same with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I go to the end of the alphabet and see how many x'es are involved, and let's uh.

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Speaker 4: Don't have numbers on that. I know. My nex size unfortunately, has grown.

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Speaker 5: I used to have like a sixteen and three quarter or seventeen and a half, and it's definitely somewhere in the nineteen ballparkouts it was it's impossible to close any of my if I gotta wear a dress shirt, now we have to go buy a new shirt.

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Speaker 2: What's bigger your neck or your arms?

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Speaker 5: That's a that's a good question, you know arms. I'm proud of the neck thing and the double chin thing. That's just a problem when you can't close that top button when.

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Speaker 4: You want to put in time.

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Speaker 3: It is pretty deflating. Where you gotta put your shirt on. You getting all dressed up and like, damn man, I'm gonna look good tonight.

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Speaker 4: And then you're like, and then come close to closing.

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Speaker 3: You do the you put your tie on and then unbutton the top button.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get a little breathing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My wife was bringing this up because my daughter's getting married later in the summer, and she said, are you going to get a tuxedo? I? So I got one. I got one for my son's wedding. She goes, do you think it still fits?

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Speaker 3: He's like, wait, where did that come from? What am I taking shots for?

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Speaker 2: It was a shot. It was a shot. So now I'm in my head, you know, Now I gotta try on the tuxedo. See if it works? You see if it fits?

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Speaker 3: Are you intermittent fasting until I want to jump on something?

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Speaker 2: Just saying I know.

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Speaker 2: Seat and pull question from our one final results.

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Speaker 3: Yeah we got three of them right now, which are you more looking forward to from this year's combine? Hand size or arm length? Hand size? At sixty one percent of that vote, do you know the length of your arms? Eighty two percent say no? And would you rather have small hands or short arms? Small hands? Right, now fifty two percent of that vote. People would rather have small hands. All right, these are the kind of questions you expect here on the Dan Patricks. We cover things like this better than anybody. I could say that confidently. I don't think there are too many shows stealing this stuff. You know, they wish they could, but you can't. Yeah, you can't do it this good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. We just come in with a great script. We followed the script, and we do it for three hours. I'm still amazed that people think that this is scripted. When I was at the Mothership, you could say that it was scripted because I had to check the boxes every day when we were doing radio, and I vowed that I wouldn't do that again. I'm very appreciative of having that platform at ESPN for all those years to do radio. But when I left, I said, I'm going to do a show the way I want to do a show, and you know, having fun, still covering sports, but do it in a way that is more reflective of my personality instead of the personality of my bosses.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Pauline, we have a light plan of topics, but for example, yesterday, a minute before the show starts, you're walking into the room and you go, you watched that Texas Tech game last night?

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Speaker 3: Do you hear the rims? Like? Yeah, I did hear the rims?

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Speaker 6: And then you started there, yes, and it went and that's the flexibility we have.

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Speaker 2: And then it kind of morphed into the worst sounds in sports and then best sounds in sports. But it's fun. I mean, I got to admit there are days when we come in and we go, what are we going to talk about? And I go, I have no idea, and all of a sudden, music starts the bells and then here we go. You got to fill up three hours every single day. But you know, you walk into a bar and you see your friends and you have a good time. It's kind of the filling.

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Speaker 4: How do you talk sports at three hours every day? That's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 3: All right, Uh, do.

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Speaker 2: We want to update the poll?

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Speaker 3: One?

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Speaker 4: Rockets? Move on.

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Speaker 3: This's just sort of back to that Jeopardy question that we had. Whereas like we do well in one category, they do well in all of those.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Todd, did you ever correspond with those two girls that you met in Santa Monica?

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Speaker 4: I did with the younger ones she wanted to send ssaki. I don't know if she I think they did. They started their own socks.

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Speaker 2: They don't know. The younger one. They both looked young.

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Speaker 3: Which is the one that liked you? Which is the one that didn't like you?

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Speaker 5: The older one didn't care for me. She's the one that said, how could you talk about sports?

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Speaker 4: Who's the one? Why did they have you a picture on this girl's shirt?

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Speaker 5: The younger one that I was talking to more that seemed to have more of a personality and less of the valley girl thing. Sorry, just called it as they see it. She's the one that like, they started a saki company and she wanted to send some to the studio.

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Speaker 4: She seemed more like chatty and fun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like chatty, fun people.

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Speaker 3: What type of pun did you reply with when you heard how it was a saki company? Did you say, oh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she was talking about it at length and was pitching it too much. I think I said put Asaki in it, and.

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Speaker 4: That she liked that. I'm just joking and she walked away rightfully.

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Speaker 2: So, well, that's your charm though, you know you, I can just see once you know that somebody wants to talk to you and then it's on.

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Speaker 5: But the problem is I don't pick up those social cues when they go anyway, and I'm like, and then I'm start continuing to talk like that could mean that they want.

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Speaker 4: To move on to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: We were leaving the bar Big Dean in Santa Monica. We were leaving a couple of times and you just chatting away.

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Speaker 4: And she said, well, it's nice to meet you. When she's getting up, but I'm following her to the next part of the bar. What are you doing? What am I doing?

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Speaker 2: And you don't even drink, You're just sitting there. And you found somebody who had a sympathetic ear and was familiar with the show.

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Speaker 5: Trying out my dad material, oh my god, uncomfortably laughing to try to make me feel better.

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Speaker 2: And then her sister was just not having it.

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Speaker 4: Four two reds, So what ho did you talk about that for hours? It's crazy?

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Speaker 2: Pistons beat the thunder okay see, without five of its top six scorers and their sixth highest score left at halftime. He got hurt. Spurs beat the Raptors San Antonio, first double digit winning streak since twenty fifteen. They won ten in a row and DeMar DeRozan. He had fifteen points in the King's loss against the Rockets. The reason why I bring it up he is now twentieth on the all time scoring list. Stead of the day, stat of the day, best stead of the day? Stat of the day?

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Speaker 4: Here comes that?

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Speaker 2: What stead of the day? All right? Paul say it?

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Speaker 6: Okay? You and I have talked about this. DeMar derozen is a very good basketball player, has been for a long time. I'm assuming he's going to the Hall of Fame someday based off his career.

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Speaker 2: I think if you got twenty six thousand points, you're in. I'm gonna guess he moved past John Hablcheck and Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 4: Is there a.

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Speaker 6: Less exciting game of a surefire Hall of Famer or a guy going to the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: Joe Johnson didn't go into the Hall of Fame in our Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 3: He would be don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to the Hall of Fame Mark the one in Springfield? Yeah, for sure?

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: Do you know who's been in the Hall of Fame recently? And I do not want to do this because it's not nice. But there's some guys with no All Star appears that are in Springfield.

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Speaker 4: Michael Cooper, but.

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Speaker 3: He played for the Lakers, he won championships.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you. So, I mean that's Draymond Green. That that's an ensemble induction. That's that's where you go. It's not just McCartney and Lennon, it's also Ringo and George Harrison.

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Speaker 3: Ringo, it is Michael Cooper, that's new. Yes, Joe Johnson.

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Speaker 6: Quickly, he went to six straight All Star Games, seven total.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice number.

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Speaker 6: But again, his game, like when they showed the highlight package in Springfield, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna go, oh my god, ooh, it's gonna be mid range jumper, mid range jumper, mid range jumper, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The Basketball Hall of Fame. Sorry to go from a little tangent. Iconic players, iconic teams. That's what it is. If you are a part of the eighty three six ers, if you're Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones, you're in. If you're Casey Jones, Sam Jones, Tommy Hinsen on the sixty Celtics, you're in.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. Yeah, same, I mean I now, Demarto Rosen is not an exciting player. But young Damaro, Young Damar. He had a few years.

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Speaker 6: He went to three straight All Star Games in Toronto and twenty three points, twenty seven points, twenty three points. And he did it all without shooting threespace.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that's mid range jumper.

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Speaker 3: Is he SGA before SGA Marvin Sga?

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Speaker 4: Light without the athleticism, no offense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Why do we think there is such a generosity a lack of angst around who to put into the Basketball Hall of Fame. There's no shortage of candidates. It's like we only have eleven people over the least twenty years in the Well of thing. We better stop putting people in that may not deserve it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know where I stand with this. Christian Lightner is probably one of the top five college basketball players decorated college basketball players of all time. He's not in. And then a friend of mine goes, you know, you keep talking about people who weren't in the Hall of Fame. You know, your boy, Digger Phelps is not in the Hall of Fame, And I go, Digger Phelps is not in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Can we check and see if that's true. Digger Phelps, Notre Dame still alive, not the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Wow? Checking, there's mixed reports here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: As far as the Basketball Hall of Fame, Sonny Vacaro and La and later, those are your two guys that you need to get in.

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Speaker 2: But I would want Digger Phelps in. And you know what's going to hurt him is he actually sent me a recruiting letter when I was in high school. And they'll go, how much did he know about basketball? Yes, that's a meeting. Yes, But a couple of weeks later they then told me that they were not recruiting me, so he knew talent. I didn't show that. I didn't show my friends my teammates the second letter I got. I just showed them the first letter. Hey, we're interested an alumni. Are alumnus in the area is recommending you. I don't think Digger Phelps is in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Yes to everything I'm looking at suggests he is not.

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Speaker 5: He was honored by Notre Dame in their Ring of Honor or whatever, but nothing suggests that year in the Basketball of Fame at all.

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Speaker 2: Why is it so tough for college guys to get into the Basketball Hall of Fame? Yeah, Marvin, is it the combo Grant Hill's in?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because Grant Hill had a really good start to his NBA career as well as a great year, great career, Duke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I think it was the lack of success that Latner had in the NBA that hurts him. If he had gotten hurt in year three in the NBA, he would have been in the Hall of Fame fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that Rolph Sampson effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he played like thirteen years in the NBA, but not at I know, but that's what I'm saying. Played in the NBA for thirteen years.

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Speaker 4: But not everyone that plays in the NBA for thirteen years goes to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Ralph Samson's in the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: Correct, But like I said before, it was because of the injuries. If he had played fifteen years of just average level basketball, I don't think he'd be in.

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, Yeah, Paul, here's another name that I think has bothered you in the past.

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Speaker 3: No offense.

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Speaker 6: Ben Wallace, former defensive player for the Pistons. He was the DePoy four times. Yeah, yeah, that award got him in because his stats are.

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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert is going to be a Hall of Famer, h he is? That is wow?

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Speaker 3: So interesting?

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Speaker 2: But Ben did win an NBA championship, right he did? Okay, Rudy Gobert is going to be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: He is probably.

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Speaker 6: He has three All Star appearances, but he's got four Defensive Player of the Year awards, just like Ben Wallace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I hate doing this because we do this when are like Ben Wallace. To me, is not a Hall of Famer. He's not very very, very limited offensively. Defensively, yes, weak side help. He was wonderful. Just if they don't win a championship, is he in the Hall of Fame? I don't think so. But that's what you know. Okay, you're part of this group and ensemble. Okay, Well Latner was part of an ensemble at Duke if you want to look at it that way.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, Yeah, going back to Ben Wallace, this might be the Eli Manning effect who the Pistons beat. They beat the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in the NBA finals, So I think that helped him get into the Hall of Fame as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Cooper won titles. I mean he's in because it's an ensemble, yes.

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Speaker 8: Mar Yeah, he was on all five Showtime Lakers teams. Yes, yeah, yeah, a lot of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Somewhere on three, somewhere on two. He was on all five.

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Speaker 2: If Draymond Green plays for the Hawks, he's not in the Hall of Fame. He's part of the ensemble with Golden State. He's going to be a Hall of Famer. He has.

00:24:03
Speaker 6: Paul here's another guy that I don't think anyone questioned when he was up for the Hall of Fame managing Noble of the Spurs. He started three hundred and fifty games out of eleven hundred. He was not even a starter for most of his career. Two time All Star and nope. But what he did in the playoffs, yeah, no problem.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: Putting on an international player yeah as well, Yes, Todd.

00:24:24
Speaker 4: Not exactly a consolation prize.

00:24:25
Speaker 5: But Digger Phelps Ryder Athletics Hall of Fame, playing a couple of years at Ryder, not exactly getting it.

00:24:30
Speaker 4: To the Spring fer.

00:24:31
Speaker 2: I mean, first ballot.

00:24:34
Speaker 3: So here's a Hall of Fame brust ballot Ryder College Reserve hoops.

00:24:37
Speaker 4: They are three seasons at Rider, then became a graduate assistant.

00:24:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Digger's not in the Hall of Fame. He's tough standards. There, tough standards. I'd like to be on the board. There be on the committee Ryder University, No basketball Hall of Fame.

00:24:54
Speaker 3: Pride of Lawrenceville. If I'm not mistaken, isn't that Rider?

00:24:57
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:25:01
Speaker 4: The Rider Bronx.

00:25:02
Speaker 5: By the way, are curious b o n Yes, not Broncos the Rider Broronx.

00:25:08
Speaker 3: Shout out in New Jersey.

00:25:10
Speaker 2: Jack Hughes gave a shout out the gold medal winning star and they played last night the Devils, and here's Jack Hughes. Hughes, I'm so.

00:25:21
Speaker 10: Proud and I'm so happy that the men's and women's USA hockey teams brought gold medals back to the United States of America.

00:25:34
Speaker 4: You guys are making me emotional. But I'm so.

00:25:37
Speaker 10: Proud to represent the New Jersey Devils organization and I'm so so proud to represent the great state in New Jersey.

00:25:49
Speaker 1: So proud.

00:25:51
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, now, that's a guy who gets it right now.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: Every state, not every state, is the great state New.

00:26:00
Speaker 3: Jersey is one of them.

00:26:01
Speaker 2: Really, Hell yeah, they are? They all great.

00:26:06
Speaker 4: He's so emotional. Jack yures that he can't see straight. If you're there.

00:26:10
Speaker 5: Used to be an old skip from Joe Piscoposion life used to go, id from Jersey, you're from Jersey?

00:26:14
Speaker 4: What state? What exit? That's what he would That's how he would do a little stick. I don't think every state is great.

00:26:18
Speaker 2: So you're saying Jersey is not great.

00:26:20
Speaker 4: I'm said, I would make.

00:26:22
Speaker 5: An analogous to someone that would say, like if they were talking about the boroughs of New York from the great Borough of Staten Island.

00:26:27
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's going to say that.

00:26:28
Speaker 2: My wife would.

00:26:30
Speaker 4: That's because she grew up there.

00:26:31
Speaker 2: Rich Eisenwood grew up there. Yeah, soon to.

00:26:35
Speaker 3: Be Rock and Roll Hall of Famers. Wu Tang clan would certainly appreciate Staten Island.

00:26:39
Speaker 2: YEA, is New York a great state?

00:26:43
Speaker 4: I would say, so.

00:26:44
Speaker 5: They have their problems like any other's day a rat population.

00:26:47
Speaker 2: But is every state a great? Great stated?

00:26:50
Speaker 4: I don't think it is.

00:26:53
Speaker 2: Those that live there. They might say that, Okay, well, seat it's from Jersey. I wouldn't say New Jersey was a great state. Well you we're having a good day.

00:27:04
Speaker 3: Why are you picking fights?

00:27:05
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:27:07
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jack makes it's pork roller, Taylor Ham, that's really what.

00:27:09
Speaker 2: I haven't been told to stay in my lane, and you know we're an hour and a half into the show.

00:27:14
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I could tell you to stay in your lane. In terms of New Jersey, I've lived in Jersey, and then that would actually lead to us some type of what's exit joke from? Which exit from?

00:27:23
Speaker 2: Todd? Yeah, I lived in Jersey, so I can I can speak on behalf.

00:27:28
Speaker 3: I never understood though, though, like oh which exit thing? As if every state doesn't have exits off of their highways. I don't understand that.

00:27:37
Speaker 2: Well maybe people from New Jersey. They always bring up the exit where they're from. Then they're saying, oh, where are you from? Oh blah blah blah, oh that's exit ninety.

00:27:47
Speaker 3: I've never thought, I never I don't know that I've ever done that.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: I've never given the exit of where I live. But I've never heard any any other state residence where they go, oh, yeah, you know i'm exit. You know I'm off the five, and then you take the you know exit nine.

00:28:01
Speaker 3: See I don't I don't hear. I've lived in New Jersey a long time and no one ever said, like, where are you from, like sarahl Oh exit eighteen off the turnpike. I don't know that. People from out of state always do the what's exit which exit joke?

00:28:14
Speaker 6: Yes, we are we gonna rank states? Will we go forward in rank states? Like what state is the one seed?

00:28:21
Speaker 3: What state is?

00:28:21
Speaker 2: Let Todd? Let Todd. He's the one that came in this morning and said, you know, when you heard Jack Hughes, he goes, is it really, you know, a great state.

00:28:28
Speaker 5: I'll just say this, Jack Hughes wasn't desperate for cheers or applause. He got the gold medal winning goal. He didn't need to say, you know, like a community say how are we doing Pittsburgh just to get some cheap applause. We know he did a great thing and they were gonna cheer for him. He didn't need to add and represent the great state of New Jersey. Of course they're gonna cheer for that, but it seemed like an unnecessarily desperate move to get the crowd extra yesd Marvin, do.

00:28:49
Speaker 8: You judge the state off of the people that it's produced. If that's the case in jersey's up there. Look at all the rest stops.

00:28:58
Speaker 3: And who names their rest stops geniuses, people who get it.

00:29:04
Speaker 2: Bon Jovi has a restaurant.

00:29:06
Speaker 3: That's my rest up. I live off the bon Jovi What action seat.

00:29:13
Speaker 5: But we also say, like to compare New York and New Jersey, like I grew up in New York, I live in New York, people just say Jersey and they dropped the news.

00:29:19
Speaker 4: So maybe there's something not so new about it. Why do we just call it Jersey.

00:29:22
Speaker 5: A lot of people kind of flippantly refer to New Jersey as Jersey, which to me means maybe it's not a great state.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: Well it's not called great Jersey. Yeah, every state has those recent regionalisms, though, Like if you talk to Ross Tucker, be like, where are you from? Hershey, Pa, he always says, pa, uh, I don't know that, Paul. You've never described yourself as being from Illinois. You're a Chicago guy. Nobody's from Chicago. They're Chicago guys. I'm a Chicago guy. Oh that means you're from Chicago. But nobody just says where are you from Chicago. Yeah, but I'm from Cincinnati. I don't say Cincinnati, Ohio. That's because nobody wants to admit they're from Take that.

00:30:01
Speaker 8: Wow, Ohio not a great state. What's the Chili oh match.

00:30:11
Speaker 4: Right now?

00:30:12
Speaker 2: How about we take a break here back after this from the Dan Patrick Show.

00:30:18
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00:30:30
Speaker 2: Seaton taking a shot. My hometown is Cincinnati, and he's hearing it, don't don't drive through Cincinnati.

00:30:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hearing from a lot of ohioan's telling me, Oh really, if you don't like it so much, don't drive through here on your road trips anymore than yeah.

00:30:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, take that, Yeah, take that Seaton. Matt Miller ESPN Draft Analyst and you can see him on NFL Draft daily weekdays at three on ESPN two, ESPN APP and Disney Plus. Matt, Good to have you with us. Hand size seems like it was so three years ago. Now it's arm length. When did this happen? Why did this happen?

00:31:12
Speaker 11: Well, it happened because this is the one quarterback draft, so we don't have the quarterbacks to obsess over. But I'll tell you this, if Ty Simpson from Alabama comes in at six' one with a nine inch, hand.

00:31:22
Speaker 3: We're probably gonna be talking about it.

00:31:23
Speaker 11: Again but because we know That Fernando mendoza six foot, four two hundred twenty five, pounds we don't have to have the panic this year about hand size because he's we, know we know he's big enough in terms of THE nfl. Standard what we do gets obsessed about is Does Ruben bain have thirty two inch arms or? Not forget what he did in the college football, playoffs forget that he was the most dominant defensive player in college football for most of last. Year we got to worry about that quarter of an inch and how much of a difference it actually. Makes and is that time of Year Like i've, been this is my fifteenth, COMBINE i still don't know that arm length matters unless you have context to that that shows you on tape that a player's short arms or small hands are an. Issue but it is one of those things that we get pretty bored in Late february and it needs something to talk.

00:32:07
Speaker 2: About, okay if you were going to have long. Arms do you want it for your tackle or your edge? Rusher both in a perfect? World?

00:32:17
Speaker 11: Right AND i will say, this If Will campbell hadn't struggled in The Super bowl with short arms with sub standard, ARMLENGTH i also don't know that we'd be talking about it as much as we. Are but in a perfect, world you want long arms because that allows me to get to you. Faster you can make up for that by having faster, hands a faster. Punch you can make up for it by having better, power which Ruben bain. DOES i was talking to someone at dinner last. Night Ruben bain is like a, boxer so he might have short, arms but once he gets inside your arm, length he has so much power in his, hands in his, arms in his hips that he's going to just roll over you like a dump truck once he gets. There so, yes there are times where you would prefer an edgdresher to have longer. ARMS i would rather an edgdresser have power instead of lying on arm. LENGTH i think at a perfect, world do you want your tackles offensive tackles to have that reach because it does allow them to be late at, times which is exactly what we saw in the Super bowl Where Will campbell was late and didn't have the link to make up for.

00:33:13
Speaker 2: It, yeah but, ALSO i don't know how you injured he was with his knee in fairness to, him AND i mean he got exposed in the. Playoffs it wasn't just the Super, bowl but he's going against guys who will expose. YOU i, Mean Will anderson is a great edge. Rusher BUT i don't do The patriots have a problem at left.

00:33:32
Speaker 11: Tackle, NO i don't think. SO i think everything's. Fixable and that's, like that's the key to remember with these. Guys we're going to pick apart their measurements this week and their traits this. Week but the idea is that these are not finished. Products that you're not.

00:33:44
Speaker 3: Coming into THE.

00:33:45
Speaker 11: Nfl we, Say, okay this is as good as you, are you should never get. Better Will campbell can JUST i think there's some footwork stuff they could be cleaned up in terms of his, posture and THEN i think there's some timing things that could be cleaned. Up and to your, Point, dan which is a great one that got lost in the, playoffs he was playing hurt throughout the later part of the, Season so that's going to also allow him you would think better timing as he goes to cut off those edge. Rushers but Also Will anderson's going to beat. You i'm sure you've heard this saying they get paid To it doesn't Mean Will campbell's bad just Because Will anderson's a little bit. Better Will anderson's one of the best pass rushers in, football and The Seattle seahawks had one of the best schemes in.

00:34:22
Speaker 3: Football SO i don't think The patriots have a.

00:34:24
Speaker 11: PROBLEM i think they have a player who remember one year, Ago Will campbell had just played a, season and then he's In draft pre combined, Training then you're In Pro day, training then you're in rookie mini, camp then you're in training, camp then you're.

00:34:37
Speaker 3: Playing a seventeen game.

00:34:39
Speaker 11: Season this dude hasn't had a break in a year and a, half and SO i think it's also a matter of give him an offseason to get, healthy to get right to work with his offensive line. Coach most of these guys have a private offensive line coach still go work, with AND i bet we see an improved player next.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: Year the best player in the, draft regardless of Position.

00:34:57
Speaker 3: Jeremi loves running Back Notre.

00:34:58
Speaker 11: DAME i don't think it's particularly, close and you, KNOW i don't think it's close to what he did the last years At Notre dame was. PHENOMENAL i, mean he has The Notre dame record for most touchdown runs over ninety. Yards he had a ninety eight yard touchdon round Against indiana a year. Ago he had a ninety four yard touchdown run this. Year and he's two hundred and fourteen. Pounds but let's be catching, Him, No.

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Matt If i'm going to compare him To Saquon barkley coming out Of Penn, state he'd be.

00:35:24
Speaker 11: Close they would Be they would be ONE a ONE vi as. PROSPECTS i THINK i think he's right there With Jean robinson At saquon as the best running back prospects of the last ten. Years dang better Than jens because he catches the ball better to Watch Amgas. Arkansas he catches two touchdown passes like one is a legitimate. Route these are not swing. Passes he's he's flexing out and running round outs and catching touchdown. Passes so this is is just so easy to see exactly how he'll fit into AN nfl.

00:35:51
Speaker 2: Offense we're talking To Matt MILLER ESPN nfl draft, analyst who should Take Jeremiah.

00:35:57
Speaker 11: LOVE i, MEAN i think the conversation starts with The cardinals at. THREE i, mean obviously The raider should Take fernandamin doesA he's a, winner he's, poised he's. Accurate he's everything you want in a quarterback, prospect outside of maybe some better. MOBILITY i think The, jets with the trade this, morning Trading Jeremia, johnson they're going to Go Edg dresher at. Two so the conversation For love probably starts at. Three that's where The cardinals. Are The titans are at. Four they just added AN Edg dresher And Jermain, johnson which was one of their biggest. Needs The giants at five probably not because we Love Cam. Scattabo but then YOU i think the floor Is Kansas city at, Nine so to three to nine is probably where he's. At and being here for two days, NOW i can tell you one THING i hear from everyone else in THE nfl is please do not Let Jeremiah love fall To Kansas.

00:36:41
Speaker 3: City don't let that.

00:36:42
Speaker 11: Happen do not Give Patrick Mahomes Jeremiah, love which in, fairness we heard the same thing About Xavier worthy and really hasn't made that much of a. Difference SO i Think Kansas city has bigger issues than just you, know Giving Patrick mahomes a generational running back.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: Talent, YEAH i Had love second on My heisman. BALLAD i thought that he was he was a difference. Maker of all the players THAT i, saw he was the one that you you had to account for every single, game every single play that he was in. There it was and to have that where he can take it ninety, yards there aren't many players who can do, that and that's WHY i, mean he's a top ten. Pick but when as soon as you brought up where you think he's going to, GO i immediately went he'll fall To Kansas city at.

00:37:28
Speaker 11: Nine you, Know but can they draft a running back when they have no pass? Rush their best corner is one year or left on us. Contract he could be. Traded the right tackles, Terrible their tight ends about to. Return, okay but let me throw receiver may be, Suspended, like can you take a running?

00:37:43
Speaker 2: Back But matt they're over under his ten and a. Half, yeah how do you explain The chiefs are at ten and a. Half according to Draftking.

00:37:54
Speaker 11: Patrick mahomes so, simple it's it's it's that they have homes and that will win you a lot of. Ballgames that doesn't matter start week. One is he going to be there week? One draftings might know more than we do about his. Rehab they've got people In texas right now watching them work.

00:38:12
Speaker 4: Out.

00:38:12
Speaker 3: PROBABLY i Think mahomes covers up a.

00:38:14
Speaker 11: LOT i fear The chiefs are getting to that point where they, say we Have, mahomes we can almost throw anything out there and win and be. Successful and you also Have Andy, reid who's one of the GREATEST nfl coaches of all, time but is a roster that needs a lot of, work and they only have six draft, picks and they're eleven million dollars over the cap right, now which they. Can the CAP's kind of, fake you can make that. Up but that's a roster that has a lot more holes then people, realize Because andy And.

00:38:39
Speaker 3: Patt have covered a lot.

00:38:39
Speaker 2: Up i'm a Big Malik willis fan AND i have been AND i could See, Minnesota, Arizona miami going. Up we'll give you three, years one hundred million Dollars i'm curious how you Viewed Malik willis when he first came. Out, YEAH i liked.

00:38:58
Speaker 11: Him here's my number two quarterback that, year and it was tight between he And Kenny. Pickett SO i, mean we're not really talking about the nineteen eighty THREE nfl draft in terms.

00:39:05
Speaker 2: Of talent that.

00:39:06
Speaker 3: Year BUT i liked.

00:39:07
Speaker 11: HIM i thought he was just really inexperienced playing At. Liberty he hadn't gone against a lot of elite. Talent and WHAT i felt was he needed to play either go out and play with a team that was going to develop him and give him a long, leash or he needed to go somewhere where he could sit behind and established veteran and. Learn it was weird is he really never got either of. Those he never got the long leash In. Tennessee and then you go To Green bay And Jordan love is an established, starter but Not this Isn't Matthew stafford that you're learning.

00:39:32
Speaker 3: Behind this isn't some of that's been in the league first fifteen. Years but he's played so well in. Spots i'm a fan of his as.

00:39:38
Speaker 11: WELL i think when you have a quarterback that has been thrown into situations and. SUCCEEDED i think a quarterback that's battled adversity and not given, up that has really doubled down and made himself into a better. Player those are the things THAT i would be encouraged by AND i could take by connecting the. DOTS a lot of people think killing up In miami as long as they can figure that out cap wise With tua moving on doing a different Drect but when you have a head coach and a general manager coming from one place to, another it does make sense that they. Would you remember the movie Movie.

00:40:07
Speaker 3: Any gain Of.

00:40:07
Speaker 11: Sunday it's like when Al pacino goes to the expansion team and he Takes Willy beaming with.

00:40:11
Speaker 3: Him it almost feels like that's what the packers are.

00:40:13
Speaker 11: About you, know the guys are going To miami and they're, like and we're Taking Malik willis with us as.

00:40:17
Speaker 2: WELL i always hear From michigan fans When i'm critical OF jj. McCarthy i just didn't see it when he was in college because the Way jim, coaches you, know it's you got to be able to run the ball and play. Defense AND i don't think they relied ON. Jj, now he did have a couple of games where they did rely on. Him BUT i know he's been banged, up maybe thrown in too, Soon BUT i, mean what's missing? Here what AM i missing WITH jj.

00:40:44
Speaker 11: McCarthy i THINK i missed it, too BECAUSE i liked him coming out AND i had the same. Concerns you, KNOW i went to The michigan prote and talked to the coaches about, like why why did you hide your quarterback at?

00:40:53
Speaker 3: Times and their answer, was, well we. Didn't we didn't hide our. Quarterback we just didn't have to use.

00:40:57
Speaker 4: Him you.

00:40:57
Speaker 11: Know our run game was so, good our offensive line was so. Good why throw the ball if running's? Working that was really their. Answer and it's, like, okay, well maybe there's some truth in. That and it seems like THE nfl agreed because he was a high first round. Pick BUT i think right now he looks to me like a player where the game is just way too fast for.

00:41:13
Speaker 3: Him and it's like With Malik, willis how do you fix?

00:41:16
Speaker 11: That you either go play a hell of a lot of football and you're giving a long leash to make, mistakes or you sit and learn behind someone that knows what they're. Doing AND i think that's why we Saw minnesota try to bring In daniel or Keep Daniel, jones you, know after they traded for. HIM i think it's why we'll See minnesota go after A Geno smith or A Kirk cousins in this, offseason just so that maybe they're not giving up on, McCarthy but they're, Saying, okay why don't you sit and watch somebody that knows what they're doing and to be able to do that while not, injured because you, know When Sam donald was, there McCarthy was, hurt so he's not in the building taking Those sam reps that he would if he was the number two. Quarterback he's still twenty two years old and there's still a ton of time left FOR jj.

00:41:54
Speaker 3: McCarthy i think.

00:41:55
Speaker 11: Now it's kind of that moment of are you willing to admit that it's not working and do the work where guys like you, know we Have Baker, Mayfield Sam, darnold so many examples of quarterbacks that had this same moment and bounce. BACK i think we're close to having that conversation with.

00:42:10
Speaker 2: McCarthy Fernando mendoza first quarterback taken give me the next three.

00:42:15
Speaker 11: Quarterbacks Ty simpson will be the second, one and after that it is a. Mess AND i think this week will actually. Matter and NORMALLY i think we come into the combine and we kind of know the quarterback Or mendoza will go. First Ty simpson probably goes back into round. One THEN i think it could Be Drew aller From Penn, state who's A traits first quarterback that was injured this past year In. October didn't really get a chance to have that resume year that we would have liked to have seen from. Him Carson, beck on the other, hand comes into the year off THAT ucl injury and played really well down the stretch From, miami even if there were times they hit him a little, bit but he played well for. Them and then you Have Garrett, nessmeyer whose dad is an offensive coordinator In Orleans. Saints he had kind of an up and down two years as a starter AT, lsu but he has the football, iq the, accuracy he kind of has a little bit of a gunslinger. Mentality it's one one of those guys is, next AND i think those would be the next, three and it will probably come down to what teams are looking. For you, know if you're THE La, rams maybe you go After Drew aller Because stafford's getting close to retirement.

00:43:17
Speaker 3: Age you've proven that you.

00:43:19
Speaker 11: Want a quarterback that can make all the, throws that can push the ball down the.

00:43:22
Speaker 3: Field that's not Really.

00:43:23
Speaker 11: Nusmeyer so it's you kind of start to eliminate who the guy could be based on.

00:43:27
Speaker 3: Traits that, way.

00:43:29
Speaker 2: IF i Put mendoza in the draft a couple of years, ago the quarterback heavy, draft where does he go in your opinion in.

00:43:37
Speaker 11: Twenty four with Like caleb And jayden and those, GUYS i think he goes. Fourth Caleb williams IS i will maintain the best quarterback Prospect i've seen is he And Joe burrow are up there as the two best in the last ten. YEARS i do Think Jade daniels coming off that year AT, lsu still goes. Second drake may still goes, third just on who he, is the, person the physical, traits the upside as such a young At mendoza is, fourth AND i bet you right now The falcons would rather have For Nanda mendoza The Michael. PENNINGS i don't think that's even a, conversation Right they Would they would be very happy With.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Mendoza right, now if You're, houston do you EXTEND. Cj? Stroud, NOW.

00:44:17
Speaker 11: I, would just BECAUSE i think the number is only going to go. Up but it has to be a common sense. Extension it should not be one of these it's your turn as a free. Agent let's reset the market with, you because we've seen so much of that and it hasn't worked. Out you, know these teams that extended, early really outside Of Kansas, city the early extensions where contracts were bloated and ballooned didn't work. Out so many of those guys ended up being. Cut SO i think you do it early if it can make sense. FINANCIALLY i don't think you GIVE. Cj stroud fifty million dollars a, year sixty million dollars a, year some of the numbers that quarterbacks are expected to make in this next. Cycle BUT i do THINK i THINK cj struggles have been a little bit overstated because you, know he's a third year. Quarterback we expect these guys to make. JUMPS i would look At houston's offensive line and say that offensive line just completely got reworked last, year and they wiped the sleek clean and started.

00:45:08
Speaker 3: OVER i still Think cjstrack would be a really good quarterback in this.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: League thank, You. Matt we'll be checking in with. You appreciate, You, Dan Thanks Matt. Miller