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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: I am fascinated though.

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Speaker 3: It's it's interesting that all of the dan Nets were talking about watching the Combine and almost feeling like they were doing something dirty. Marvin goes, I got caught watching the combine. I go, wait, that's part of your job, getting caught.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? You got caught watching the combine?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It was real awkward. I'm in the living room. My wife comes down the stairs like, what are you watching? And I turned around. I'm sorry, and if she just looks at me, she goes, Boy, the NFL has a choke hold on you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. Yes, Tom, I've been caught by the wife for other reasons. But I'm glad he had the cleaner combine version.

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Speaker 6: They just need to combine the two. Maybe that's a new business. Says well, I'm don combine dot com. Honey, what's the big deal. It sounds like a dating site. Let's come, let's combine combine. I'm looking at players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wipe right, all right? Eight seven seven three DP show.

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Speaker 5: He's got oily hips, show me that shuffle cone drillbnder O.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah will join us on loan from NFL Network, and he's been revealing arm length and we'll talk to him as we lead up to the Draft in Pittsburgh. And yes, we will take the show to Pittsburgh for three days for the draft in April. Robert ori Orio, seven time NBA champ, he'll join us coming up as well. All right, poll question for the first hour the program is going to be what season it.

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Speaker 6: Might have to be combine related? If that's a dirty habit or not good creek. I think that that's really funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Why is it though that when you watch the Combine it does feel like, man, I'm really diving deep into this. Yeah, it is fascinating that we'll watch this because I do. I do tend to watch it every year. Like I watched yesterday. Was offensive, lineman, I want to say, and it was fascinating. Like the dude's going around a cone, his foot slips out, he drops down to his knees.

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Speaker 2: You know that that kid is crushed right now. His parents are watching, They're like, oh, no, you should have worn the other cleats. That's gonna drop him to the fifth round. That's tough.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 3: Get ready for this because there's only one legitimate quarterback, first round quarterback. That's Bernanda Mendoza. But you will get an onslought of publicity for Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback. Happens every year where we will you gotta have something to talk about, and you're gonna have them build people up and then you're gonna have them tear people down and then somewhere in between is where they're going to end up as we go into the draft. But I think Ty Simpson from Alabama will get a lot more love than he's getting right now because we're trying to, you know, bolster that first time. You know, when you think of the draft, mame. We were so spoiled a couple of years ago where you got all these quarterbacks and that's what this is about, you know. And I've gone to these drafts before where you get a fan base there and all of a sudden they're on the clock and then all of a sudden they say, and the Buffalo Bills take you know, Jimmy Lipper, offensive guard in C State and they're like yeah, and they have no idea who they're getting. All you want to know is do we got a skilled position guy? Are we going to get an edge rusher here. That's all that you care about, Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I've worked the NFL draft and I've been to one. We went to one in Green Bay, and the fan base when you draft a skill position guy, a quarterback, running back, wide receiver, all right, let's go. Let's go, and then this offensive tackle or offensive guard or detackle all right, Okay, okay, sending up the line. Okay, but that's how you win in the NFL, is the offensive line, defensive line. But we're so it's just like the Raiders might be committing malpractice by drafting Fernando Mendoza and not having a good offensive line. You draft asked in Genti and you don't have a good offensive line. Hopefully he gets an opportunity to ease in to the quarterbacking position, because I don't want him starting week one. Even if he's ready to start week one, he's not going to be ready to start. And I hope that they give him an opportunity where hey, let's bolster the offensive line and give him a chance, because if not, then you're going to have a similar situation to what you had last year with the Raiders when they had one of the worst offensive lines in football.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Seden, do they have the ability to fix both sometime between now and the start of the next season.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me see what you do in the draft if or you're going to be able to sign players. But yes, you got to have an offensive line, But.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you need one for the superstar running back that.

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Speaker 3: You just too Yes, and that's I don't know if I don't know if Ashton gent is going to be a great running back. I don't know if he's going to be a Jamior Gibbs kind of player. I mean, he was fascinating in college, but this is the NFL and I think this will be a big year for him coming up to see are you able to rely on him? And there were times when he had I mean, he had moments, but still you got to have an offensive line and those teams that do you protect your quarterback? And I mean New England was able to go to the Super Bowl. They went out and bolstered their offensive line. Now, granted that offensive line didn't look good good in the playoffs and certainly the Super Bowl, but they gave Drake May a chance. And same thing with the Bears with Caleb Williams. I kept saying, you got to get an offensive line, and they went out and signed three offensive linemen. If you're going to have a great quarterback or the potential for a great quarterback, don't try to fool anybody because you won't. You got to have an offensive line. But I hope Fernando Mendoza and you might get some comparisons. Now. Dan Orlofsky even said this yesterday from the Mothership that Ty Simpson makes some plays, and he was kind of comparing him with Fernando Mendoza and leaning towards ty Simpson as this guy's got a lot of talent there. Now the Mothership is trying to sell the draft too, and everybody else who's going to be, you know, covering the NFL Draft, presenting the NFL Draft. But you will get Ty Simpson love coming up. And when I watched him against Now last year, before the season started, nobody was talking about Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 2: Now they were talking about this quarterback draft.

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Speaker 3: So you had a couple of players, you know, Caid Klaw, Nick Nuss Smyer from LSU Arch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe coming out.

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Speaker 3: So you had quarterbacks and this was gonna be oh man, you gotta get ready for this quarterback draft.

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Speaker 2: Drew Alert.

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Speaker 3: Now Aler might be a guy who ends up like one of those second day picks who could turn out to be an NFL quarterback. He got hurt with Penn Steak, but there were probably five to seven quarterbacks where we're like, man, you got to position yourself. No one was talking about Fernanda Mendoza. He came out of nowhere and had a magical season, obviously, but that's how quickly it happens. Oh, Indy, Indiana got a quarterback from cal Nothing to see here, but there was. And that's why I go back to what Kirk kirk Street said preseason. He said, keep an eye on for an end of Mendoza in Indiana, and Herbie was the only guy I heard say that. That made it feel like maybe there's something there building off the previous year with Indiana. It's tricky with these quarterbacks, and there's going to be two or three quarterbacks out of nowhere for this upcoming season. In college football, it happens all the time. But nuss Meyer and club Nick, I don't know if they're NFL quarterbacks. They look like it. Remember Carson Beck, he was going to be a first round draft pick, and I went, we're watching a different game because I don't think he's a first round draft pick. But he might be one of those guys who gets you a chance to be a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauling, it doesn't happen that often, but every couple of years there's just a wasteland at quarterback. Twenty twenty four, six quarterbacks taken in the first twelve picks of the draft. If you go back to twenty twenty two, it was a little down. Kenny Pickett was the first pick and he didn't go to twenty. Then you had Desmond Ritter. Not a lot of juice in that draft. But the year before you had Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, even Kyle Trask was interesting. Was a juicy quarterback draft, but it alternates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and only one of them panned out, with Trevor Lawrence. I would love to see mac Jones get another opportunity because I think he was done wrong by the Patriots. Imagine your offensive coordinator is a defensive coordinator. You go to the playoffs and it I mean, they didn't have weapons and it felt like mac Jones didn't get the credit, but he certainly got the blame. And then he got kicked to the curb and you know, bounced around a little bit. And now all of a sudden you go to San Francisco and you saw that when he played. I mean he can play. Now, he can be a starting quarterback. I think it's like Malik Willis. Same thing with Tennessee, where I thought he had a lot of talent. It seemed like they moved on from him quickly. Oh man, we got a draft will Levis. I'm like, okay, and then they moved on quickly from him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulin Dan, I'm currently nerding out on quarterback drafted by year. Remember twenty eleven, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabert, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, with a lot of names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but not a lot of good names.

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Speaker 7: No, but people loved Jake Locker until he got that I did, I did, you weren't you weren't alone?

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Speaker 3: I thought, man, Jake Locker, Athletic played it you dub and then I realized that he couldn't complete those passes over the middle. Ryan Mallett was going to be a big deal because he was Michigan and then he transferred to Arkansas. Yeah yeah, Cam was obviously great. Who else was in that draft?

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Speaker 7: Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 3: I love Dalton and I think he went first first pick, second round at TCU.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: When he played in the Rose Bowl against uh Wisconsin, wasn't it against JJ Watt? Of course I knew it, and I thought, I thought Andy Dalton played an unbelievably intelligent game, and I thought, man, he's, you know, red rifle tall guy. He got some movement there, and I thought, man, he's a good pickup. And he turned out to be a pretty good pro, I would say, a decent pro. Nice career, But that's just you know, it's who you go to and when you go to that team, and what is the infrastructure. So you can be a great talent, actually you can be better than average talent, but be on a team and they'll make you even better. You'll look even better. And I think, like Jalen Hurts, that team makes him look better. I think a standalone Jalen Hurts, I don't think that he stands out as a great quarterback, but he's great with what the Eagles do and probably another super Bowl appearance. He's a hall of famer. He might be a Hall of famer. Now he's not MVP regular season, but you know the way this goes. Now, you win a couple of super Bowls, you got a chance to be a hall of famer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, here's another draft for you.

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Speaker 7: Four Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger taken in the first eleven picks, and a guy You and I loved JP Lossman of Tulane to the Bills.

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Speaker 2: We were well on that.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: It was almost an era right there. No, no, we got it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we loved JP Lossman because we loved TWU Lane's uniform.

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Speaker 2: That's right, We love their helmets and him. Yeah yeah, did he go to Buffalo, Sure it did. Yeah, it didn't surround him with talent.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Buffalo had a few picks there where it was like, man, if one of these hits, they're really going to be good.

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Speaker 2: And then they finally got Josh who was the Johnson? Who is the Rob Johnson, Rob Johnson machine? Was he Buffalo?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Marvin J.

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Speaker 5: Maywel Also, he was the first quarterback taken by the Bills in that year.

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Speaker 3: But when we had him on pre draft, he was unbelievable. Unbelievable. We were like, I want him on my team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how good he is, but I want him on my team. Yeah, PAULI.

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Speaker 7: The twenty thirteen QB Draft e j Manuel out of Florida State to the Bills at sixteen. Then everyone else was second, third, and fourth round Gino Smith, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley of USC dang Matthew.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He thought Matt was going to be a thing there, Yes, Marvin Geno Smith sept Heisman winner, Yeah, yes he was.

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Speaker 5: He was the greatest quarterback that ever lived up until October of that year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: His September was he won the Heisman? Uh was Ryan Fitzpatrick is September September MVPPT Tom scept Heisman Septem VP septm VP. Okay, all right, I don't know what we just accomplished, but it was fun.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah covering the Combine for NFL Network and of course, the Move the Sticks podcast. NFL Networks live coverage of the Combine continues today through Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Armageddon.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Daniel releasing all this information short arms and what does it really mean?

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Speaker 9: Fun? Fun times is what it means, Dan, That's what it means. It means fun times for all because we've graduated from hand size to arm size. I think we're making progress to a society.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but where are we going after this?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 3: That's that one literally go to. But does it really matter about the now? Let's say a defensive lineman as opposed to an offensive line and let be actually actually serious about this.

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Speaker 2: Does it matter how much?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it doesn't. And I didn't want to just have my opinion, so I reached out to two of the defensive coordinators that are of top five defenses in the league. So guys I respect that know what they're doing. And I said, what's the biggest issue with it? And and they said, yeah, look, there are issues with it. And some of it is, you know, you can't get off blocks. You know that's you can just get you get, you're going to hold you, They're gonna grab it. You can't use your length to escape and get off blocks. There's something to the ability to finished. They look at as you know, finishing on some of these bigger quarterbacks that that could come into play. But my follow up question was, well, obviously it's not a death sentence, so what do you need to have to overcome it? You know, if it's not ideal, but what do you need to have because to me, I've always just felt like if you can play with leverage, empower and strength, you can you can get away with it. And they said, no, absolutely, You've got to beat blocks with your feet more with your hands, which sounds kind of simple, but it is. You got to be able to have like lower power to generate to get through guys, or you got to be able to win with with with your quickness. There's guys who maybe aren't as quicker as fast, but they're so good with their arms and so good with their hands and there, and they're able to get off blocks that way. There's just more ways to do it.

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Speaker 3: But more important for an offensive lineman tab longer orange or defensive linemen.

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Speaker 9: I would say offensive lineman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I just think when you're an offensive lineman and guys can constantly get to your surface, I think that's that makes your job a lot harder. And that's from look. I you know, I cut my teeth in the league watching Jonathan Ogden and I'm like, I mean, you could put a fresh coat of paint on the front of his jersey and they're no handprints because nobody could ever.

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Speaker 4: Get to him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it came up last year or the year before with Will Campbell or you know, his arm length or lack thereof. Was it a big deal the fact that he was a top five pick.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but I'd have to go back I mean to me, like, I think Parsons was thirty one and a half. I think what was jarring is that when you get to thirty one and you start getting below like the Cashus Howel was below thirty one inches, like, like that's something we just don't don't see a lot of.

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Speaker 2: But I was.

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Speaker 9: I was joking around with one of my former GM buddies and we were just talking about this and laughing because he was telling a story about how they had an offensive lineman that they liked, but he didn't run a good forty at the combine and they didn't run a good forty at the pro day set, so they liked him, so they just kept sending different scouts out there to time him in a forty until they eventually got one that they liked. See, we know he's gonna run. There's nothing wrong with this guy. You know, we used to do it, you know, hand size, arm length or hand size, and like I scout on the West Coast for a period of time, and so if there was a quarterback, maybe his hands were well undersized or what have you. And like, guys, we get together, like, hey, guys, all of us have big grades on this player. We're all taking crap back at our home teams in these draft meetings, like whatever we got to do to get that thing stretched out when we measure this thing. Let's do ourselves a favor here.

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Speaker 2: But his hand size important at this year's come by.

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Speaker 9: No, we've had no hand size debait, but the quarterbacks haven't gotten.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, well why why don't we Why don't we focus on the wide receivers with their hands?

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it'll they'll come up. I mean, it's just if there's a correlation between the drops and then he's got small hands. But you know that's not it's not nearly as as prevalent as the quarterback discussion. But I always go back to this stuff with my the way I look at like Reuben Bain. So if I watch a player and I don't know any of his measurables, you know, if I don't, if I haven't documented in my notes, and I've gone through four or five games and I've you know, watched a bunch of tape on him, and I don't have concerns about it that I'm not going to be as worried about it. If his measurements come in low, what would be concerning. Is there like cashus how maybe a little bit more so where there's times with him where I see he can play a little bit small at times when he gets into guys he can't get off of him. I've seen Bain get engaged and be able to free himself, whereas Cash is Howe, at that point, Tom, that down might be over. So if I have notes about it as a concern not knowing measurables, and then the measurables come in and kind of confirm her notes, then I think it's valid.

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Speaker 3: The ty Simpson love I think is going to be coming. We see this every draft where somebody we focus on Fernando Mendoza, then we might start looking at negatives with Fernando Mendoza. Then we're looking for another quarterback who we can talk about and ty Simpson will probably get It feels like a little bit of love coming up. But compare the two and with ty Simpson in Alabama and of course Mendoza.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good gap. You know, in my opinion, how I see him, I just Mendoza. You know. The hard thing about his evaluation, and I've talked about this a little bit, is that. You know, people talk about the RPOs and how quick the ball you know comes out a lot of the times, Well, spoiler alert, that's college football. That's that's how a lot of these guys are playing the game. You have to be able to cut through that. So the way I do it and is, you know, you take the whole season, You watch the games you're going to watch. But then I like to go back and look at these situations. Third and seven plus you're not our RPO and a third seven plus and ever in the staium knows you're throwing the football the red zone where the space is condensed and you got to make more tight throws. I look at in game situations and then I look in big stage games, you know, big stage moments, and I'm like, Dan, he ches every single one of those tests that he didn't throw a pick in the red zone. It's like crazy numbers inside the red zone. You look at him when everybody in the stadium knows they're throwing the ball and okay, sometimes it can be a little back shoulder heavy and he gets criticized for that. I'm like, I don't know, I keep throwing it too. They can't, they can't cover those receivers on the outside when he pinpoints the ball on their back shoulder. But I've seen him footballs in tight space. Says he's big, he can move. If you need him to get some free arts, he can take him with Tye. I like like. Tye is someone who I in my opinion, I think a lot of former quarterbacks are going to take to him because he's the son of a coach. Everything from a mechanical standpoint is beautiful and flawless, like great feet, nice delivery. He does not have a huge arm. There's times and their offensive line was not a traditional Alabama offensive line. They didn't have the traditional benefits that you'd have in that program, So there was a lot of bodies around him, and I thought there were times he just got He looked small, the ball was coming out of his hand, he looked like he was thrown out of a well. The ball would kind of take off on him.

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Speaker 2: So I like him.

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Speaker 9: He's my fortieth player. I think he's the second round guy, and I've you know, if somebody wants to take him in the back of the first round to get the extra year, I can get with that. I just I don't see him as the top half of the first round, top fifteen type pick. And the other reason for that is I think every year you're going to have more Ty Simpsons coming along, whereas Fernanda Mendoza. Those guys are a little bit harder to find, so.

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Speaker 3: I can do Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network analyst and his podcast Moving the Sticks, joining us from the combine Jeremiah Love three down running back.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 9: He's got elite hands, like route running hands, you know, and all the dynamic stuff that comes along with him in the backfields. He's my second overall player. He is a very, very talented dude. He's more than just somebody you turn around and put in his stomach, like, he can do a lot of different things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know, you know, with the success of Jamir Gibbs and Jean Robinson and you know, some of these other hybrids there. Of course McCaffrey, I would you fell in love with him watching him play this year. He was the one playmaker that I thought was different than any other player on the football field every single game that he played in. And that's kind of hard to do, but I just felt, you know, he's running it from ninety yards like you're a threat, you're a threat inside your own ten yard line, But I don't know where's the landing spot for him?

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Speaker 9: Well that's there's two conversations, right, I mean, we agree on his greatness and how special he is, and then he's my second overall player. And then the next question that follows up is okay, well where does he go? And then you start looking at we saw yesterday with some of those guys to Ohio State. Kids are absolute freaks. So you're looking at guys and you start playing the position priority game. You start looking at needs. But when I say, like, where could it start? I mean, I don't think the Jets would do it at too. I think they're kind of that feels definitely more like a front player, defensive front player. I would say you could start the conversation at three with Arizona in Tennessee. I mean, that's where the conversation would start. But I still think that probably lends more to big guys, to offense and defensive linemen. Probably, you know, at this point time, I would say more so defensive lineman. And then the sweet spot to me is seven eight nine. When you look at Washington New Orleans, Kansas City. I don't think that's that's a neighborhood he's not going to be able to get out of.

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Speaker 2: You imagine if he goes to Kansas City.

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Speaker 9: You don't know how many times I've I've got that from people in the league. They're like, we finally got these guys and not make them playoffs. You know, please not put Jeremiah Love there.

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Speaker 3: If I put Mendoza in the twenty twenty four draft, how many quarterbacks go ahead of him?

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Speaker 9: So three from me? So I had it Caleb, Drake, Jaden, and then I would have him in there, and then you get into you know the Niwix, McCarthy, Pennix, So that's where he would be. But those three guys I mean that I had, those guys were outstanding, and we've already seen that kind of bear itself out.

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Speaker 3: The Raiders draft strategy that, Okay, you take Mendoza. Yeah, I mean, even if you go back to last year, you're taking gent but you don't have a good offensive line. You got a really good tackle And I just wonder putting Mendoza in a situation like that, do you trust the Raiders they can fortify that offensive line.

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Speaker 9: So here's what I would do, Dan, And maybe it's just symbolic and it would be kind of funny, but I would want to make my point if you're in the draft room. If you go inside a draft room, and now it's a lot more digital and they can display it from a digital display, But when I was doing it was cards. You have the cards up on the wall, so you had the whole left side of the huge wall. Left side is all the defensive players. The right side is all the offensive players. So when you know, you come in there for your first meeting and maybe you got all your coaches in there for the first time. After the season it's over, you have the whole draft board up there. I would have a race the entire defensive side of the board and I would say, apologies and defensive coaches, but this year we will just be drafting from this side of the board to help to help our young quarterback. So you know, I know, and I think I might even hurt this on your show, like it's a good conversation, but you know, okay, are they equipped right now with where they are to take a quarterback? And what I would say is, now, I think it's there's proof of concept and recently proof of concept the Bears. I mean they revamped their pretty much the whole O line in one year. The the you know, like I know, it didn't They didn't play as well as they would have liked in the Super Bowl. But New England swapped out four starters in one year and advanced all the way to the Super Bowl. I think with free agency, you gotta, you gotta. You're gonna have to overpay because you know you're the Raiders and where you are right now, you're gonna have to outbid some folks for the Tyler Linderbaums of the world. But I would go all in on trying to get one or two of those guys in free agency. Colton Miller comes back healthy, that's probably the hardest piece to find it. You've got a good functional left tackle, and then now we go draft some some interior guys or a right tackle as well. Throughout the draft. I think they can make it comfortable enough that Mendoza can survive.

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Speaker 2: I just don't want another Andrew lux situation. Yeah, a dating far situation.

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Speaker 9: I I I one hundred percent agree with you there. But that's where the that's why you know, I apologize to my coaches, and I've said this for the last few years on anybody that takes a quarterback high. I you have to look look to the future and and just put yourself there and say, okay, at the end of this year, not all seven and ten records are the same. If we're seven and ten and my quarterback's playing well and we're losing third one to twenty eight, man, like you, your owner, your fan base is gonna feel a lot better about that seven and ten team. Then you thump in your chest and saying, we got a top five defense. Don't know if this quarterback's any good and he missed four games, he got the crap kicked out of him, but we got a great defense. Like that's those two records are the same, but they are not the same in terms of the hope in the in the direction of the team.

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Speaker 2: Who is the quarterback you loved? But he didn't plan a pan out?

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Speaker 9: Oh gosh, that's I mean, I'm sure there's a long list. I will say I didn't go into the school when JaMarcus Russell was coming out. I went and saw him play live, and I watched his tape and when I was a young young skuy at that point in time. That was the probably the most talented guy that I ever saw. And it was like, Okay, I don't know all the other stuff, the guys going to school get all the character and the work ethic all that, but I'd never seen the guy throw football like that. And I was like this, I don't know how this doesn't work. That guy's that's insane with the ability that he had. And obviously we know that worked out.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't it work out?

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Speaker 9: I think it was probably more the other stuff, you know, just in terms of the focus. He got heavy, you know, the work ethic. I think those were more issues. I'm telling you this day, Dan, it looked like he was doing a nerf turbo. Like when you went out there and watched him, it looked like he had that little little tiny nerf turbo that whistled, that whistled when you threw it.

00:28:15
Speaker 2: Would you take a chance on Kyler or Tua?

00:28:20
Speaker 9: I would? I think I would. I would do Kyler on that one. I think he's more talented, more talented guy and so and I've seen him, like I look two has had some good moments for sure, and he's played well, and I think that was I think it's just very specific the uh environment for two to be successful. I think Kyler could be a little more successful in some different circumstances.

00:28:41
Speaker 3: See, the problem I have is he's more talented, but they're both kind of at the same place in their careers where you know that if I'm going to take a chance on him, he does have this talent, but he didn't really showcase it the way he should have. What why am I going to be led to believe that he's going to now now he's going to be Kyler Murray Well.

00:29:03
Speaker 9: And the other side of that, though, is you get two and all the head injuries.

00:29:06
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't want either one of them. Yes, yes, I just and if I had to choose between two.

00:29:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I kind of factoring all of that stuff in together. But I'm just saying, at least at least with Kyler, I mean, well, you know, maybe we don't have a perfect offensive line. Like he can try and run around and get me out of some stuff with that, and he's given me he just gives me more opportunities, whereas two, I think you got to have a very firm offensive line. You got to have a track team on the outside, and you have, you know, an RPO quick passing game system very tailored to him.

00:29:36
Speaker 2: You can have Mac Jones or Malik Willis.

00:29:40
Speaker 9: I think I'd want to test out Malik Willis. Yeah, I feel like I know I know where Mack is, which is can be a good thing and a bad thing. Malik, I don't have certainty there, but I'd be excited to just see, just to see what we can do.

00:29:52
Speaker 2: I like him.

00:29:53
Speaker 3: I just think he's going to get that three year, one hundred million dollar contract, and I would be excited if if my team got Malik Willis, even if it's the Dolphins or you know, I don't know if Minnesota. But I don't mean what what do you hear at the combine on destinations for some of these guys.

00:30:14
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, it's just you're walking in the halls and people are talking, and I don't know how much you read into this historically over the years, how much of it's accurate. But just a couple of things that you hear was okay that you know Malik Willis was Arizona. You know you heard that kicked around? Is that he could you know, that could make sense with Arizona. The one that I was heard was interesting was Gino going to Minnesota was one that people were talking about to give him the veteran with with McCarthy to see where that goes. And then it just seemed to be like there would be a good market for Kirk Cousins was the other buzz that you hear, but not tied an it's not not tied any specific team, but you know, that was that was interesting.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: But he's better than Michael Pennix. But they moved on from Kirk Cousins.

00:30:56
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean it sounds like that's done. I mean that's yeah, you know, he's he's moving on.

00:31:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, like two weeks. I think he's gone and made one hundred million in two years.

00:31:06
Speaker 9: That's good work if you get it.

00:31:07
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And he's going to get another contract here.

00:31:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:31:11
Speaker 9: And when he's done with that, he's going to go right in the TV and on TV.

00:31:16
Speaker 3: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you again, Daniel, Thanks buddy. That's Daniel. Jeremiah is a podcast is Moving the Sticks. He's the Chargers radio color commentator, former NFL scout and working for NFL Network. We'll take a break when we come back. I thought I knew everything about Todd Fritz. Prepare yourself. We have a portion of the todcast podcast on Danpatrick dot com. You won't look at Todd or listen to Todd the way you used to after this.

00:31:51
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00:32:03
Speaker 3: He's big Shot Bob Robert Orri and Laker analyst for Spectrum Sportsnet, also joining us on behalf of sure Co.

00:32:11
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that.

00:32:12
Speaker 3: He's the Chief Impact Officer for Sureco, whose mission is to transform healthcare for working Americans and helping underserved individuals and families battling insurance costs and premiums. Good to see you again, Bob. You know, every time I have you on, I always think, why aren't you in the Hall of Fame? Now it's seven titles and okay, and the reason why I bring it up and now I really feel like this is an injustice. Michael Cooper's in because he was part of a collaboration with the Lakers one team. But you won titles with the Lakers, the Rockets, in the Spurs, and your nickname is big Shot Bob. I'm just trying to understand, like you were a semi five unless I think last year, Is that right?

00:33:02
Speaker 4: I think?

00:33:03
Speaker 10: So, you know, I don't keep up, but because if I don't get in, I'd be too heartbroken.

00:33:08
Speaker 4: So I don't really keep up.

00:33:10
Speaker 3: But somebody makes a case for you. Somebody presents your case to the correct the committee.

00:33:16
Speaker 4: Correct.

00:33:16
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, Rudy t was when he had his induction speech, he kind of gave me a shoutout and then it kind of rolled from there. So this is my second year being nominated. I didn't get in this year, but you know, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. It's it's disappointing when you don't get in. But on the other side of that, there's a lot of guys that don't even get you know, I mentioned a sniff of the Hall of Fame, So I'm just I'm happy.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: But not content.

00:33:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven titles and being a contributor that to me, nobody's had more titles and not made the Hall of Fame than you. So that's why, like, I don't know, it's just statistical anomaly. It feels like that You've been part of three different franchises and even part of the the Laker team, and I don't know if you felt like maybe you were overshadowed by some of these players you played with and maybe didn't get that acknowledgment.

00:34:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

00:34:10
Speaker 10: I do, because sometimes as a player, it's there are more players like myself that sacrifice their games for everybody else to be better. And I think about when I got to Houston. You know, of course Dream, MVP, Shock, MVB, Tim Dunn. You kind of take a back seat to those guys, and for me, it was all about winning and if I did it the right way, you were gonna win. I felt like everything else was gonna take care of itself. And I think about, you know, my first couple of years in the league, where I were a hundred guy, hundred steals, hundred blocks and never made the All Defensive team. And that was one of the things that really made me mad because I'm like how, and I'm like, well, I was kind of overshot by the guy who was a defensive Player of the Year, I meaning Dream blocking shots, but I had almost dismissed blocks I just do, you know, and for me it hurts. But a lot of those guys in the Hall of Fame don't have what I have in that seven championship.

00:34:58
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna give you the first pick. You can have a kam Elijah Wan, you can have Tim Duncan, you can have Shack.

00:35:06
Speaker 10: If you're giving me the two thousand shack, I'm taking Shack if I can pick out which guy I want.

00:35:12
Speaker 4: You know, he was just so dominant the year he won MVP Man.

00:35:15
Speaker 10: You think about Abagon almost thirty twenty, and his personality was is fantastic. In a dream would be second, and Tim would be a close second third. But you can't you can't really pick when you have great guys like those three guys. You know, I enjoyed playing all three of them.

00:35:31
Speaker 3: How would your Rockets have done against Jordan's Bulls.

00:35:34
Speaker 4: We would have beat him. We would beat him.

00:35:36
Speaker 10: You know, it's it's it's everybody wants to and everybody's like, well, Jordan is Jordan actually loses sometimes sometimes, you know, if we just go about our record against the Bulls when we were there, and we were pretty good, I think when it comes to matchups and I think Vernon match Mgup's MJ was pretty good matchup. Myself against Skyty was a good matchup. But so now, who was gonna match up with Dream Nobody? So, you know, and playing for Field and knowing Field's mentality, I think we would have won that serious And I know a lot of people were like, man, you're crazy. I'm like, because Jordan Jordan. People forget Jordan came back in ninety five. He had a double nickel against the Knicks, but he got beat by the Orlando Magic.

00:36:15
Speaker 4: Why because his team wasn't good enough.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: You ever discuss this with Jordan.

00:36:21
Speaker 4: I've never had a chance to, and I would love to.

00:36:24
Speaker 10: You know, it'll be a good debate, But I know he's out winning NASCAR races, so he doesn't have time for basketball anymore.

00:36:30
Speaker 2: Better defender Jordan or Pippen.

00:36:33
Speaker 10: Pipping by far, really by far. And this is the one thing people don't understand about Scotty Pippen. Scotty Pippen is the ultimate basketball player of me. He's one of my top five of all time because when you think about a player who can guard every position on the floor, that's only like three of those that's ever existed, you know, you think, but he can go to point guard, he can go to the center, he can score. When Jordan left, he took them to the Eastern Conference finals, and he gets So that's the one thing about when you play with greats, I mean, like supersidic greats like Michael Jordan. Everybody else is, Oh, he only won because of George. Maybe Jordan only only one because of Pipping. And I think Pipping is so underrated and so unappreciated, and I think people need to really sip. You take a seatback and look at what he did throughout his career and really marvel at what he did.

00:37:20
Speaker 4: He was, he was great.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: How often do you do play peacemaker between Kobe and Shack?

00:37:27
Speaker 4: I never had to play peacemaker. It was the weirdest thing, you know.

00:37:30
Speaker 10: He was always Kobe was always you know, intense, Shaq was always intense, and we always won. I think, you know, winning solves all problems. You know, we would, We didn't. We didn't lose much.

00:37:41
Speaker 3: When I want to know, Shaq's goofy, and I didn't know if that bothered Kobe, who isn't goofy.

00:37:47
Speaker 10: But his thing is, you don't know Kobe, like we knew Kobe. You get in practice. Don't get me wrong. There are times in practice where everybody's intense, but then you have those moments where.

00:37:56
Speaker 4: You're shooting the bull and having fun.

00:37:59
Speaker 10: And if we had film of us in the locker room, Kobe b Shaw, Rick Fox and all of us and Derrek Fisher, you'll be.

00:38:07
Speaker 4: Like, man, y'all are silly. How do y'all win?

00:38:09
Speaker 10: Because we have We used to have so much fun on the planes, in the locker room outside of the camera. Because the thing about great teams, when you step on that court, you are focused, you getting the job done, and that's what we were able to do. We got the job done because we had a lot of vets, a lot of guys who are hungry for championships.

00:38:25
Speaker 3: Talking to Robert or the Lakers analysts for a Spectrum Sports Net, it feels like we keep waiting for a different alternative outcome for the Lakers, But it's the same Robert. They I mean, they're top heavy with you know, talent, and they do not play defense.

00:38:42
Speaker 10: Well yeah, it's but I think when you look at the Lakers, they have guys on the team that can play defense, but the problem is we're such a three ball team that when you put them in the game, they're not three balls. You're talking about you know Van Do you know Marcus Smartest up and down?

00:39:00
Speaker 4: You have, you know Jackson Hayes.

00:39:02
Speaker 10: Those guys are really good defenders, but you don't want them on the court sometimes because you're thinking about threes. And I'm all about getting buckets. I tell people all the time, the NBA is not about threes. It's about getting buckets. Who can get a bucket when they need a bucket. And if you look at all the guys who won championships, you look at Shake Gilger's MVP last year, his game is not predicated on threes. It's predicated getting that mid range jumper, getting to the hole, getting in one. And then the year before that, it's like, somehow analytics got thrown this where three balls win championships. I say, but everybody doesn't have what Golden State has. Golden State had Ferrari's when they come to shooting threes. Everybody else got like maybe you know, Mercedes bands of BMW's And so that is the difference that people have to understand. Just because it worked for one team, that'sn't gonna mean it's gonna work for everybody else.

00:39:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, just trying to figure this out. I mean, can you teach Luca to play defense?

00:39:56
Speaker 10: You know, if Luca plays in spurts, and it's so weird because sometimes you watched him.

00:40:01
Speaker 4: Like, okay, Luca, you're gonna look to your feet, and.

00:40:03
Speaker 10: Then sometimes he just goes and sits, you know, on the block and grabs rebound and pushes it. I think if the team as a whole got on each other and say we need to play defense. And that's the great thing about all the teams I played for. We would yell at each other, we will argue with each other, but at the end of the day, we know it's for the best of the team because if you don't play defense, you don't win. I think the Lakers, you know, after getting beat by the Phoenix Suns last night without their two best players, it's a sign that you've got to play defense.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: But in fairness to Luca, he's asked to carry so much on the other end, right he's got his energy should be directed to the offensive side of the ball.

00:40:43
Speaker 10: So let me ask you this question. Michael Jordan played on both ends of the floor. Right, Kobe Bryant played on both ends of the floor, right, Elijah want to play both ins and the floor, So why can't Luca do it too? And that's the thing that's about basketball. And the worst term that's ever used in basketball is a two way player. That term should be thrown out. That's only for football. And because basketball is a sport played on both ends of the floor. You're gonna rest a moments like a lot of players do. But you have to play both ends of the floor. And I think when you look at the game of basketball, that's how the best players should be judged.

00:41:14
Speaker 4: You know. You look at Kawhi, you know, and.

00:41:16
Speaker 10: Fansis my MVP this year is Jalen Brown slash k come Because those guys do it on both ends of the floor, you know. And so that's the thing you have to look at. Basketball is just not by offense. It's about defense too.

00:41:27
Speaker 9: Yeah.

00:41:27
Speaker 3: I just don't think that lucas athletic the way Kobe and Mike and a King word, he is athletic.

00:41:34
Speaker 4: He just here's the thing.

00:41:35
Speaker 10: There's a lot of guys that are like Luca, and Luca's very very strong. So you have to use that to your advantage, because you see sometimes when guys are trying to get to the hole on Luca, when he does move his feet, they bounce off because he's so solid.

00:41:48
Speaker 4: He's just got to learn how to use that to his advantage.

00:41:50
Speaker 10: Every every NBA player adapts to the game, so he can adapt defensively where he can learn.

00:41:55
Speaker 4: You know, don't get me wrong, Lucas.

00:41:56
Speaker 10: Is a beast though he can get his But I think with a lot of teams now are isolating those and doing a lot of one on one to try to maliplate the defense to get draws and kicks. But sometimes you just got to say, you know what, take it on your own and guarded.

00:42:11
Speaker 2: He does complain a lot, Robert, Hey.

00:42:14
Speaker 4: What player in the NBA?

00:42:15
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Mike. Did Mike complain a lot? Did Jordan complain a lot?

00:42:22
Speaker 4: Uh? You know what, I can't really say because I didn't play with him.

00:42:27
Speaker 10: So when you play with someone, you watch someone eighty two games, you can tell to complain a lot. And I think you know, the only guy that complains a lot and is justly so is Lebron James because he gets beat up going to the hole sometimes and he doesn't get the calls like a Shade does, like a Luca, like an ar And so I think he's the only ones to be should be allowed to complain in the league.

00:42:48
Speaker 3: So you think it's legitimate that well, just like Shaq, I mean, yeah, Shack got beat up every single time.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: It felt like down the floor. Yeah.

00:42:57
Speaker 10: I remember playing next to Shack and all you hear is yeah, And the refs like, oh, he's strong enough to handle that. He should it shouldn't bother him and that, And that's not fair because Shay is strong enough, Lucas strong enough. You know, Steph is strong enough. Because this is what this is a man's league. It is not a kid's league. Is a man league. So everybody should be strong enough to with stand those hit but they give them to certain players and they don't give it to other players.

00:43:20
Speaker 2: You grew up in Alabama, was there pressure for you to play football?

00:43:24
Speaker 4: My mother said no.

00:43:25
Speaker 10: From Jump Street, she said, she said, you're allowed to play two sports, and football is not enough.

00:43:32
Speaker 9: I played.

00:43:32
Speaker 10: I played baseball and basketball, and you know, and don't get me wrong, I love love football. I wish I could have played, you know, but it's one of those things that you kind of mama knows best.

00:43:44
Speaker 2: Are you an Alabama Crimson Tide fan?

00:43:47
Speaker 4: Yes? I am. Oh.

00:43:49
Speaker 10: You know Alabama went to Alabama from eighty eight to ninety two, had four great years on the whim. Sanderson won three SEC championships. Alabama's in my blood. My wife always talks about why you always like Alabama that because it's in my blood.

00:44:01
Speaker 4: It's the same way you like USC.

00:44:03
Speaker 1: Oh.

00:44:04
Speaker 3: Okay, that had to be interesting conversations. Let me get the plug in here. Robert Orris is the Chief Impact Officer for sure co at s U R. E. COO, and the mission is to transform healthcare for working Americans. Tell us what else you're doing with this, well, shir COO is the company.

00:44:26
Speaker 10: Because I don't want to bore you with my story. The story started when you leave the NBA. It's all about what kind of insurance plan you had.

00:44:33
Speaker 4: And then my.

00:44:34
Speaker 10: Daughter who passed away at but it was hard to get insurance for her because of the Obamacare, was finally able to get insurance for her. And they kind of heard my story on how I was frustrated with the insurance and how it wasn't working for me, and then how I have all this money in HR and I can't touch And it was just a whole thing that was like, you know what the two guys I met, Matt and Matt they go Matt Chris, and so we were talking. He was liked, man, you should join because our mission is to try to change health care as a whole and to try to do different things for not just you know, businesses, but you know, people in rural errors. And that's what excited me about it, because I wanted to go to the rural errors because that's where I'm from, to let them understand the insurance is here for you. I know, it's difficult and it's hard to understand it. Like I'm still learning, you know, and I had to deal with a lot when it came to my daughter asking and understanding how to get her to proper care. And so it's just one of those things we don't want people be afraid of it. You know, take ten minutes twenty minutes a day and start reading up on it so you can learn about you know, ikra and all these other things. So that's what my you know, Sugcar now trying to do. Basically, in a whole we're trying to customize insurance for you, to make it work better for you.

00:45:45
Speaker 2: How old was your daughter once she passed away?

00:45:48
Speaker 4: She was seventeen.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: And you never get over then, yeah, you never do.

00:45:54
Speaker 10: You know, you have those days when you wake up and you see one little thing that reminds you and you just.

00:45:58
Speaker 4: Started crying and all this kind of stuff.

00:46:01
Speaker 10: All you start smiling because you know when you when you lose a loved one, you shouldn't always cry. You know you missed them, of course, but you got to remember all those moments that gave you so much joy. And I remember sitting down and you know the last picture I had with her, I was eating the slices of pizza and she kept trying to out.

00:46:18
Speaker 4: Let me eating this one to hug me.

00:46:19
Speaker 10: So you have moments like that, a special and that'll stay with you with the rest of your life.

00:46:24
Speaker 3: Hopefully you got a special moment coming up here getting into the Hall of Fame.

00:46:29
Speaker 2: I'll keep sounding the alarm, Robert, I'll the alarm.

00:46:33
Speaker 6: Man.

00:46:34
Speaker 10: I want to say this, but that means a lot to me because I have a lot of people in my corner for the Hall of Fame, and I just want people to understand that they look at numbers a lot, how money points you scored, how many rebounds you got. But I just want to let everybody know, the Hall of Fame is not about what you did in the NBA. The Hall of Fame is about what you did in your basketball career. Because it was about the NBA. It'll be an NBA Hall of Fame. This is a basketball Hall of Fame. So thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it.

00:47:00
Speaker 2: Man, Robert Dorry