#73 - Jaren Johnston from The Cadillac Three and Writer of Many Number 1 Songs

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Speaker 1: Welcome to seventy three The Bobby Cast with Jared Johnston. It's funny because when I talk to people about you, and and it depends who I'm talking to, because it's like you live two lives. Well, it's the Jared that they're like, you know, we're writing with Jared, Jared's great writer. And then it's we were out with Jared and kind of like three. Like it's like Jared the guy, the cerebral Jared that sits in a room and crafts songs is one person that people talk about the exist and then Jared of the kind of like three, the whole different persons exists. Unfortunately, it's like an urban legend that people talk about. That's funny. That is true. I never thought about that. So and and it just depends who you talk to, because I'll bring it some people and they really only know you as in town, riding in a room, and then I bring it some people didn't, Yeah, go out in the road with you. So I think we'll we'll get into that a little bit as we go. But we both played a watershed this weekend. It was great. It's far. It is far man. I took a red eye home from Yeah, I did too last night to do the radio show today, and it was brutal. My son's fourth I guess it would be four month birthday, which is not even really a birthday, but you celebrate every little thing when you have a new kid. Um, and so I was home when he woke up, so that was important, you know, it was really cool. But has that changed your life, like and how you think about at being on the road all the time, it makes it harder to you know, I mean everybody says that, you know, Dirk Yesters, I had knocks, you know, and again that's the girls, But like it changed when I had knocks, you know, like when I had Jude, or when Evan had Jude. My wife we were like it didn't really get real to about two months in and I was out on the road for a month and I was like, oh, crap, man, this is that's pretty brutal, you know, because you're seeing videos and oh, he's rolling over. I missed that. Do you feel like he grew in that month? When you came back you were like, holy crap, Yeah, he's dude. I was going for six days this last time. He's he's probably driving, he's bought a How he's hating this model? Unreal? That water festivals up it's in the George. Yeah, Georgia. George is the sounds called George though, right, And it's in the Gorge. Don't know what it's called. Yeah, it's on the Columbia Rivers and it's like to you go to Seattle and you drive for a couple of a few hours, and they're called shutters and they're hardcore. They stay up there. I mean a lot of those festivals like that that BOC does, but like they you know, there's nowhere to go. What do you you can't if you leave, where do you go? You know? I mean, and they pay like five hundred bucks for ten Yeah, it's awesome, man. So where do we start with you? I think we'll start. I think I'll start with some of the riding stuff first. So why don't we start with your By the way, I heard you couldn't pull into the driveway and your truck was too big? Is that true? Yeah, well you're jeep was in the middle, you know, come on, was kind of in the middle here. To be fair, I do live here and I was kind of parked there first before they're parking like a did you're taking up two spots? No I'm not. I'm taking up my spot. Well, I was gonna parking on the road, but I just couldn't maneuver it. But how big of a truck do you? I didn't want two big It's just like a kids truck. It's bigger than kids truck kIPS always trying to beat me. So he kind of goes and gets trapped. So you must have a big truck. It's a at left on it. But it came like that. You know, I have a buddy that I'm not that guy. I got vans. You said you're not. You said you're not that guy. How bigs you're left? It's like three inch and I got an m C five shirt. Off. Come on, bro, alright, But it's like you're balancing everything out. I'm trying. It's a hard one. All right, let's talk. You know who was in. Tom Douglas was in, and that guy. I don't know what to expect from Tom. You know, you get this guy you're coming in and you're like I was reading about him. It's like you want of the older guard. You know, Tom Douglas been around, but he didn't get this first. Cittil his forties, so he's got this whole and he was talking about raise them up and you you and Tom, you guys wrote this together, and he was someone's talking about urban and he was like, Hey, I don't know if I can sing this line about the America part. Yeah. I didn't even cross my mind. Like I sent it to him first on text, and I was like, man, I got this song. This thing is nasty. And we just finished the demo, you know, like written in two hours before that day. Yeah, and Abby was my publisher, was in the room and she goes, this is huge. This is a a game changer for somebody, we just didn't know who. I was like, I'm gonna send the Keith first because he gave me. I had my first ship with him and he's always been really nice to me and to my family and stuff, and so I sent it to him. I didn't even think about the USA or you know, what is it. I can't remember what the line is, but it's an American you know, cross your heart thing or whatever and uh and then he just said, yeah, I want it. It's mine, you know, first thing back. So it didn't even cross what did Tom said about it even He said that it didn't cross his mind either, but that Keith felt uncomfortable. That can you know, people really take me serious? For him, I'm singing this song about like the hot and so I was only just talked a kid like five minutes ago to ab a whole different thing. And so that video, Oh he sent you the trap Yes, he sent it to me and Eric ironically, Eric, okay, he sent me. Hold on, I'll just read it to you because you're not you know what I'm talking about. Then, Hey, Mike, I messed up my screen over here, if you could fix it. He sent me Urban sent this thing. He says, trap country. He said, tell me if you think this is funny, and it's a you know, a guy in the cowboy had kind of an overweight gout the mustache. Yeah, what are we supposed to make of this oddly catchy trap country song? And then he said, I'm gonna give me some of these yellow pants and against a boat he said, Mom was a little less politically correct. It was pretty awesome. It's really good. Yeah, so hey, yeah, Tom just said that Keith felt a little uncomfortable with it, and then he was like, I don't think he's from Australia. Yeah, I don't know that people would take me serious. And so it was like that he thinks he wasn't sure who was. Maybe the who produced a song was like, hey, why don't we call somebody who like personifies America? And so they called freaking Church. I'll guarantee that was I mean, And I didn't know. I was over in that southtown one day and I knew that they were cutting that song that day because you just you hear. And he texted me, and I was kind of hanging around Blackbird over there, just kind of wasting time, thinking that maybe I could pop in, you know, And sure enough, he texts me, hey, do you come out of the studio. I go where you at Blackbird? He goes the other sleet right down the street. It's popped in there, and and he goes, I want you to hear it. Cool when I walk in there, and you know, Eric's there, and I was like, very Church doing here, you know, and we're all friends, so it's cool. And then he came in that second verse and Keith had said it was a duet now and I was like, oh, man, maybe it's Miranda or something. But they just did that with we Were a song, and I was like, man, this is like that's like a two favorite temporary country artist like that on both ends, you know what I mean. It's like there was a time when I when I started writing, I didn't listen to the country radio unless Keith was on, you know what I mean, And they weren't playing Eric yet. So it's pretty cool to have both those guys do a song that big. And if I was going to give that away, then that's a good one to do. That's a weird thing for you too, is that again? A lot of people know you as the writer and you do give a lot of great songs away. And is that because it's not the right time or do they not fit sometimes? Like what's the process with when our bands different? You know you are You're sure it's a different thing. It's like we've raised him up though. I mean, looking back on it, any time anybody asking me about that, that's the one that I kind of kicked myself. But I had such great success with that. I got to go to Grammy, you know, And I mean it doesn't have to do crazy things because of that song. And I don't know that. I mean, let's be honest, I don't know that Cadillac could have gotten it half as far as they did. Maybe that song would have carried it's it's it's you know, done its job. But I don't think we were that band yet. Um Like meanwhile, back my mamas, I don't think I was. You know, I think I don't think like he said, I don't think people were taking me serious at that time. Now, whether where our bands have kind of grown and it's morphed into something where it's, you know, we're on our own or do our own thing, I think that Raising Up would have been great for this next record that were do you know what I mean? Like, but it is it's tough to look back on some of those songs that I gave away, and you know, any of the guys ever go, man, I we should have kept that one for us. Oh yeah, they well kneel our drummer rights quite a bit too. And he you know, he really payback for flats. And I was like it was on the radio before I'd ever even heard it, and I was like, how dare you man? That's like we would have had a hit with that song. You know what I mean, if we were really trying to have hits, that we would have worked that one. You know, I because that was right in the middle, and I think people to believe me singing that a lot more than Gary, you know. I think that's why they had trouble with that song. But yeah, so we we go through that daily, so you don't run songs by each other. Then we do now we have it. So there was a there was a I think it was raising up happen and uh and payback happened, and we were all kind of like, alright, let's let's start having a weekly bust band meetings, you know or whatever, which just means we get hammered and make fun of each other's songwriting. So if there's a majority vote, will you hold it for yourself? Yeah, will be a vote. I send it in whenever I turned the song and I say, if I even think it might be a TC three thing out, I'll say hold for TC three please and know it sweet, right, you know. And then a lot of times they're like when I say, all right, you can pitch that, they're really happy because they have you know, they they're good their job. They have a lot of luck with that stuff. So yeah, it's weird. It's a constant thing that we battle with now, which is smart. You know. Ye, it's weird, and I don't think it over said publicly who it is. I'm not gonna tell you who it is. But someone came to me once, probably a year and a half ago, and they were like, hey, please don't put out like through on your radio show. Please don't don't. And I was not and I was like, it's and it's somebody that did I respect. I've never told the story, by the way, but I feel like I want to tell us I knew something like this is good. I feel like I want to tell it to your face because I'd rather tell it to your face in front of something or you just hear it on the radio. But because I'm a fan of you guys. When and when White Liney came out, I was, you know, I was like, man, I love this song, like I was disappointed the song didn't do. But you guys, again, you're so different and it's it's so hard to move a culture. But someone can't to me and said, hey, would you please not puttectree on your radio on your show and hateful and it is it is and I and I stupidly said. I was like, why was the deal? They were like, I want to be the one to break them. And I was like, okay, but the problem you see how like I got you see how it get man? But but I was like, like I get it, but I think I have a pretty good shot to break and like a song, they're like, just aromist me, like you'll give me like a time like I could probably name if I had three or four guesses who that I wouldn't let you get. I wouldn'tlet you guess, and I would and I and I had stupidly made the promise, and I was like, and it's like I think it's gonna be all you guys in the record comes in August. I mean it's almost August now, but I think that cycle ends once your new record comes out. Yeah, Like I can't hold you, I can't blackball you forever because it wasn't for nothing personal, but you guys have never been on the show. But I made a promise this person. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna give you a show. Everything makes a little bit more sense. We just thought you hated this. No, not not at all. Like like zero. But then someone okay, and I said, I said, just in a moment of stupidness, it was like, okay, if that's what I don't like, I don't have to break everybody like there's a lot of people doing awesome things, and so yeah, that's why you never that's why you've never been on the radio show. That's interesting because I would play because I was gonna have you guys come in and do why Lightning because I freaking loved that song. I was like, this is like I it's one of the songs you rarely get just playing repeat because you love it so much. I just sonically I love that and uh but I was like when I was about to make that, I was like, I promise I wouldn't have on the show. But that sucks, right, Like that's how it works in the radio world. It's good to know, no, not all the time. Yeah, I'll never let that happen again. At least somebody like this and that's good. Yeah, maybe i'd tell you off the air there. I was not throw them under the bush country? What it sounds so country? I don't know if you're being pastious or not. Okay, I can hear a little bit of playing in the boy. But I don't I hear you, guys, and I know you said you're different, but everything's different now like it. What I've said forever is that all formats do this, but country is now getting big enough to where it can have its own. And the term top forty really doesn't mean pop like pop. It only pop means popular. It doesn't mean they're like the In the eighties, Poison was pop, in the nineties, Hammer was pop. You know, in the tooth out, it doesn't matter pop. It all shifts, and I think there's a top forty with that kind of for lack of a better tournament country where there's all these avenues in country now and the bigger each of the ladder. There's the traditional and you got the really traditional guys and kind of the rock guys and the far left guys and the people that all climb the ladder, and it's kind of like a little Top forty in the country format. But with the invention of YouTube and Spotify and like, it almost doesn't matter anymore. I mean that's due are bands a great example of I mean, we've had I think our top song was again thirty three or something. The South got to thirty three, but I mean we can still go anywhere in the world and sell out a club, which is something else, you know what I mean. So it's like when we get to forty on the country charct, we're like, oh yeah, because we're I mean, for some reason, for a band like us, it translates in a way that you know, we have real fans, which is I think that's the coolest thing, because I mean, like we're talking about Eric Church earlier. His story is amazing, you know, watching him sell his clubs out no radio forever and then it just happened, and and then when radio started playing, and he was able to really take advantage of that because he built his fan base on his own. And so it's like that to me, that's where you win, you know what I mean. So and to you though, you know, to be honest, like you're making pretty good money writing to yeah, okay, I mean yeah, he had a big truck with love. You know, you can't even fen my drive, hay, like you're doing pretty good. I didn't. I didn't drive the Tesla because I didn't want you to make fun of me. I got bought it for my wife though so and I'm trying to say in the world man once ang the time, that thing less and less. Let's talk about some of this. If you talk about Keith minute ago Street, talk about the song Rare. That's my first number one man. Put a whistle in there. Now let me hear it again. What do the whistle? Right now? Before it plays? What am I listening for? It's like a like a whistle, like a damn. I don't know what contest when Oh it's not. It's one of those you know, it's like a literally like all right here we go, ready, set hold on. But you could tell you that's really in the song. But whose idea wasn't for? The whistle was not in the room? I think that was a Dan Huff thing. But is that what its like a football coach like telling the team let's go. I've never heard somebody going like that on a mini keyboard. But it's still right, But you Street, that was the song. This was ten. I read this with the Lokash guy and you could be yeah. And the crazy thing about the songs I took forever dude, like forty something waits for you, but not forever. Now I'm talking about. Isn't this the song that they put a hole the flood hit? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that is true. Yeah, like his guitars get even before the song made it like we're gonna put him on hold the Nashville flood hit. Look, you know, everybody self recording everything for a while, and even before that, Jimmy Wayne had it on hold and Jimmy Wayne, this is this is I probably shouldn't say this, but here, uh profession already did so you're good? Yeah, well he was. I had a writing sestion, one of my first big writing sessions with Jimmy Rain Jimmy Wayne at the old famous building down that's at Yoga Place now on the corner of Wells Grand and whatever it is, and me and this guy named Gregg Becker were writing with him. Jimmy is and I relate, comes in. What do y'all do? I'm Jared, I'm been a band a writ songs. He goes, I've kind of been in southern rock, kind of thinking, well, I don't do southern rock. No, wis ship? I was like, I don't know, And then he asked Greg what he did. He said, I'm a songwriter. That's kind of why we're all in the room here, but you know, and I started throwing him some gold what I thought was good, you know, and he was like, it's like, man, I'm not feeling this this day. He was in there seven minutes maybe got n't walked out. And so that was my first big song. Like I think he was on Valerie at the time. It was my first big country star to come in right, And I was like, well, this is terrible, this is a this is hard. You know, there's gonna be a lot harder I thought it was. And then you know, like a year or two later, we did You're Gonna Fly and he Jimmy put it on hold immediately and wanted to cut it, and they had to call him and tell him because once Keith, because Holds are a big deal. You know, they really respect Holds in Nashville, which is awesome. It's an honor system. It's really good. Keeps everybody kind of level. And but we called Jimmy and I was like, I was like, Jimmy just because that was you know, it's it's you know, you get him on man karma and so it ended up being a big hit for me. But yeah, man, that was that's a funny. Yeah, that whole thing that with the flood and everything, and yeah, I thought I was reading for low Cash. I was like, why has the low cash doing this? You know, I don't know, never know. And then Keith had it, held it, put it away for a while. Blood hit like like for like a year. He never touched it. It was a long time. It was. We were starting to be like, oh gosh, you know we've lost this when and we could have headed every way? Yeah, yeah, bank keep going down me. Let me talk about sleep number for a second. Alright, so yeah number bed. Oh cool, my bed right over there. I have heard you have you definitely have. I do talk about my sleep number bed and how well I sleep, and my sleep number setting is thirty. You know, my friends Sleep Number have introduced the most amazing bed ever. Listen to when I say the things about it. It's the Sleep number three sixty smart bed. Now I'm gonna say things about it. It is a smart bed that lets you choose your firmness and support on each side, even if it's two different people into bed. 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I don't really know anybody unless they come through the studio or I'm on the road with them because I do that radio show and then I leave town, and so I don't have a lot of artist friends of Buddies, Derk's buddy pass a buddy, good dude, Urban, pretty good buddy, Australian, but good duddy. Yeah, but I don't know Frankie at all. It's cool, how like what artist wise is he good? I think he's really good. Like he actually Keith put up a video that I saw that then that's why I'm asking that because I'll playing together. And I was like, I didn't know he was doing, like I can't remember what they were doing some Steve ros songs like that. They're going back and forth trade licks. It was killer right and the first light when Frankie came into town, he was like, you know, wearing the leopard print jacket, like doing the Elvis thing, you know what I mean. He signed to Warner Brothers and it was a lot to take, I think for a lot of people. But I was like, this guy's red. You know, he talks like he's fifty years old and he calls everybody young man. You know, He's like, man, I'm four years you don't come with your So it's like that's actually kIPS story. He said that the kIPS and kids like man kind of hurt kIPS feelings because like Anyways, he's a sensitive guy. Um, but so I think he's great. Man. He's a great guitar player. He's from Michigan, so he has a lot of that um what's Old Bud? Yeah Siger in him. And you know, if you listen to it's really funny if you listen to Kid Rock Bob or Old Bud Uncle Cracker sing and they're all from the same area and you hear Frankie sing, it's it's I can't tell the three of them apart. Sometimes when they do certain songs, like on that song, he sounds like that would have been an Uncle Cracker slam dunp man. They all had this little rast thing. Who'd you write that with? That's interesting. Guy's been in here like Luke Lair. It's crazy, like awesome, man, dude that he's one of my favorites. Man, I'll just watch this Twitter and he'll pull out the little oh dude. Yeah, they all light up and yeah. And we spent probably twenty minutes of this talking about him. Ryan was snooping right in the future. What I appreciate appreciated about him and about a lot of artists, is that you're you're taught, you only like country and that's what you need to say. And look, I was like, screw to that man. No man, he's but he'll he'll pop out of Darryl Singletary cassette tape and then you know some rent like fab five Freddie or something, you know what I mean, Like he's he's awesome. We did raise them up when out through catalog for a second, if you want to do we could get Billy song donut. I was Forgod about that one. How do you how do you forget? Man? It's not a lot. I mean, it's like radio shows for you know, like I do it every day, you know. But here's the difference. If I did one radio show that paid me a lot more than the others, I think I would remember them more. I remember the days, you know what I mean. But you just you know, I know, you write like a thousand songs a lot, and I do like a thousand radio shows. But if I did one radio show that paid me a lot more than the other ones without to remember though, Yeah, I mean I remember, but it's hard. It's like you know, you have I mean I've had, I've I've been very blessed and I had a lot of success, and so you just it kind of gets grouped in this once you get past this certain amount of songs, like I bet, I bet if you had red Akins in here or any of those guys Dallas, he couldn't name everyone and if he wanted to. I bet. It's gotta be weird to to try to remember for things people ask you, like who you co wrote the song with, because it's probably that One's usually easy for me because, like I said, you remember the day because you're like, you always want to remember I'm the one that came up from that line or whatever. That deer on the deer head on the wall, that wasn't my line, I don't hunt, you know, it's not no, that wasn't me, um, stuff like that. So I remember the songwriters much of the time, unless it's like like Ashley Gourley and Ross I've had a couple of hits with, and so those get kind of what what day was? What? You know? I mean, that kind of thing is confusing, But I don't know, it's weird. Tom Dougas was talking about and riots and I haven't heard anyone describe it like this before that. You know, you fall into a role there's always the creator, which is important, and there's always the editor, which is very important. But if you get to creators at the same time, they're super creating. Sometimes they can the song just won't roll, and sometimes you're the guy that's running it, and sometimes you're the guy is not. I think half the half the the thing of being you know, a hit songwriter or just having luck with it is knowing your role in the room and being extremely lucky too, because there's a lot of dudes that are really good writing great songs and they never get heard just because they're not in the circles that are and people people are picking from right now, you know, it's like it's it's really wild. But yeah, what Tom was talking about that that whole thing is and then you have you have exceptions like me and Tom are both like creator dudes, but I kind of do the do track stuff. Is what It's hard to explain. You write songs, you know how it goes kind of you're right, funny, all right, I'll enjoy that Starbucks thing is really good. But so you know, we kind of Tom and I know our roles together and we we kind of just both help out for everything and if we have somebody that comes in, like a lot of times Tom and all Right with a new artist, and it's always a lot of fun to see if they're gonna fall into their role or if they're gonna be like no, man, it's I'm like, did you're sitting in here with Tom Douglas? A? I mean, I'm okay, what I do? You know? I mean Tom's a ninja songwriter. Like, just listen for one second. That's another thing I'd like to tell artists. If you're starting to write songs with hit songwriters or whatever, people that just really passionately do this for a living, go in and listen for a minute before you come in hot dogging. Because everybody's got a record deal man. You know, let me play advocate for a second. Whatever. If I walking into a room and I've walked it and it's a different switch because I'm not I'm a common water write jokes, I just stand up. You know, not a song. You know, I play like thirteen chords. That's maybe thirteen yeah, but I don't do the truth. You know, you do three chords. I do three chords of a much craps any more. So I'll go in and not like a friend with Ross, and these guys are my buddies. So I go in and I always feel like it's jail where you gotta go on to punch the biggest guy in the face immediately so they know You're like you're not just there and scared. So I'm like, I'm here here, Oh my ideas, take them. There's there's people that are really good that should do that. There's people that are not good. They should not do that. That's all I'm saying. But and I'm not good, but I still do that. So now I'm figuring out the problem. I mean, I remember, I remember hearing stories of old school guys, you know, like before I kind of came into the scene, like of people and I'm not going to name their names because they're friends of mine now, but like they'd be like, hey, hey, but trust me, I know, all right, just just go go with me on. This wasn't that you at point points at the now I do that as a joke, you know what I mean. But yeah, I mean, you know, I was always you know, when I started writing, i'd come in as an artist and but I was doing both, you know, kind of sous weird, but I thought it was the best guy in the room, and a lot of times I was a lot of times I wasn't. But I found out the hard way, but by somebody being like, remember the first time I wrote with Marty Frederickson. You know who Marty is. He wrote Jaded and always like huge Harrison my songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were out in l A. And we went out there to write this is a long time ago. And he comes in on motorcycle. You know, it just comes in, all right, what do you need? You need hits? I got hits out. I'll hit you, you know whatever, Like you don't want to write hits, don't waste my time. And I'm just sitting there going and like whoa, and he was. He was like on fire. And then I was like, okay, well I had this saying I kind of want to write this Beast of Burden kind of idea. And I started playing this thing and he just like see I'm posing because if he don't want to come, I mean he just starts spitting fire. And Neil and I are my drummer. We were just sitting there going like my ship, if you're that good, come in and be that guy. I guess because he was great, you know what I mean. And then I learned a lot from that because I judged him immediately. But then I was like, wow, there's a reason he'd like that, because he's probably the best in the game at this point, you know what I mean. And it's also the voice for almost famous. Oh yeah, you bring us something interesting. So when you start as a writer and you're the writer, not the artist, because you're not writing for yourself. Let's see, you're just writing. When you first start, who was one of the arts you sit down with, You're like, wow, like this is crazy, Like what's happened on my life right now? I get to write for X. That was Keith probably when first that was my after my Jimmy Wayne wonderful story. Um in l A. I was out there and my manager at the time said, or Abby Berkhalter Adams and my publisher said you might get a phone call Joe Fishers trying to hook you and Keith urban up and I was like, okay, cool, you know um and sure enough, Hey, Jared's Keith Evan, that's my Australia And so he came up to this. I was saying at this ridiculous house my and our guys, you know, Hollywood Hills, Cocaine on the floor, you know the house. And so Keith comes over man, and we get in there and we start writing and he's like, man, you know what we need an app I was like, all right, I didn't have anythings that flowing out there. So we drive down to this music store at the bottom of the hill and Burbank. He walks in there, Keith Urban, he's he's rock star. Then you know, um walks in and buys like the first you know, deluxe he sees or whatever they bring carried out to them, car to the car and everything for him, you know. And I'm like, all right, man, they never do that for me. He goes, yes, he goes, It's amazing what people do and you can have a little bit of money, you know whatever. I'm like, okay, cool son. We go up to the top of the hill when we start writing. We wrote a song called um our works Happy to be right before not killing Clarkson, but Katy Perry put out fireworks so that we couldn't shot for a bit. But it's still good. Um, but we kind of had that. We've made a relationship and the whole time in the room, I'm like, I had a computer set up and I'm like, every time you look away, I'm sneaking. Like the snapshot where you get like a picture of me and him and it's like everyone is blurry where he's and I'm like, I couldn't kill it before he looks back at this. Just some people would believe that I was in the room with him, you know something. But yeah, that was my first moment. And I've had a lot of those men where you just like it's hard to be yourself, you know, because you're just freaking out the whole time. Stephen was like that the Tyler Steven Tyler thing even for me on the radio, and I don't to me, there's only been two people had too, maybe three that have been like this is so cool that I'm a little on tilt because I do it all the time, that it's just what I do and it's what I'm good at me too. But I'm telling yeah, you know, like you're not you're also not being in there, Hey what do you think of this idea? But I also gotta be funny, and I also have to be different than every other because I'm I'm supposed to, like the big guy, I know' the biggest show in the world. The people come in there and so they expect something. And so Steven Tyler came in and I was like, this is not even real. He'll turn it, he'll get you. He's seventy and he's and he's like, he's like, he's thirty eight. He's always on fire man how all the time? I just was like, how does this assistant deal with this all the time? Dude? It's yeah, he's he was super kind. Yeah, he's awesome, super kind, and but I I felt like he was so famous, he was lonely a little bit. Yeah, I think I mean honestly, I think that's why him and I hit it off so good. I mean with Keith too, Like, but I talked to these people like I would talk to my friends, you know, like I call him asshole and stuff, you know, where hey, you know whatever. I talked to him like normal people. And I think maybe in their lives they don't get a lot of that. I think they get a lot of people not being real with them. And so maybe that's why, you know, in dirts, become great friends with dirty because I'm honest with him all the time. You know. It's like, man, that drunk on a plane song was terrible, you know what I mean, you know, saying stuff like that, meaning it's like, dude, happy world hasn't been on a plane. Why do you think this is gonna be a hit. Now, I was completely wrong. That would changed his career. But um, but yeah, so yeah, I don't know, I just yeah, he's Stephen is definitely you know. It took me about five hours to the first time we were hanging out like writing, to get to where I could like be normal, you know, and kind of just like, Okay, I smelt like fifteen cigarettes, do not even smoke. When it comes to American rock royalty for using that term, who do you put above Stephen? To Americans? Who do you put above Steven Tyler? I mean Bob Dylan alive that there's not much. I mean, maybe Dylan, Paul McCartney, you know, but he's not American like Springsteen. Springsteen would be out there, but Eric Smith was so commercial. And that's what I'm saying, Like you had, there's a debate any of those. I'm not Tom Pett, Yeah, Tom, And I'm not a big no young guy. But if someone wanted to argue, no young, I would be like okay, It's like yeah, yeah, like okay, I get it. He was nash young. He's no young. But Steve Stephen Talers that of all the Americans, like he's it, that's alive. You know. It's just like yeah, and he's a and he's a lot. Did you ever get do you ever take it down? In oction writing? Did he ever go down? Yeah? A little bit. I mean like the first couple. I mean the first couple I was like he was there's so much stuff. You've ever been to his house? Man? Then you walk into this room. There's like five dogs like the one here in town. Yeah, little yip yipp dogs. You know, there's like two trainers and assistant, somebody on the phone that he's yelling at about something in a friendly way. Um. And then there's all this music equipment, like every rum set you'd ever want, like pianos, a napping and guitar that Johnny Depp gave him. And he tells that story and it's just so much to take in. And then he sits down and starts playing dream On on the toy piano and you're just like I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to act natural. You know, it's it's it was a lot, man, but we you know, we got a cool song. It was one of those really awesome experiences. You know which song wasn't It was called Somebody from Somewhere. It was this, well I want Somebody from Somewhere. Yeah, I have it up. It's the title track for that record. I got to produce it too. He let me. I mean, he all with something something, It's like that something some white yellow back. Yeah, awesome, guys. Where what was Somebody from somewhere? Watching him sing that live in the studio? You were there when I get me and Ryan Gore in the room with all only ones in the room, and we were just half five and knuckle bumping like every two seconds, you know, because it was I mean, he did one take and you're just like, this guy still sounds like he still has it. Oh man, it's great. I saw him a live a couple of years ago. And again when my job, you get lucky, you get to do things. And so we were up on side stage and he had a prompter. Well they have so many hits, like, I get it. I need a prompter like one and had a comic song. Yeah I just need but it sounded amazing. Yeah, yeah he was. I've met him I think four times, and each time I've got to spend a little more time with them because as my position has grown, you get better access. And it's just a cool thing, which is why I'm I'm just in the room. It's really a big idea for a big, big to have you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so but I remember right first I met him, I was nineteen in Arkansas. He was the kindest person to a nineteen year old. I wasn't a pimple on his butt, man, but he was just the nicest guy. I fought to an airport with him. He's just stop and talk to every everybody that looks at him, like and he wants to hear their story. Oh yeah, your mom saw me and something in seventies and what show was that? You know where we at the Walmart thing or you know what I mean, Like he knows. It's surprising too that he's like still alive. Like justcase. He told me the story we were off the air, and he wouldn't care about it, said this um he was talking about I was taking about Freddie Mercury because I love Queen and I'm one of the guys that think there are a few artists that I can see that if they put out the same music today, it would still be relevant. And like I think Queens one of them. I think Big he's one of them, you know. And I was talking about Queen that was and he was like, dude, uh, Freddy was open for me, you know. And and he was like, he's about a lot of people, by the way. It was like he was open for me. He wrote, he wrote the bus, he wrote in the back of the bus. We gave him like one bunk and like three of them shared it and and I was like, dude, that's crazy. Like I think they've been around seventies, eighties, nineties, two thousands, two thousand ten. Dude, we're in two thousand and seventeen. I think this is the last to think. Yeah, but they've said that a few times, Like I get it, but that's five decades. Yeah. Yeah. I saw him last week or two weeks ago and Download Festival and Donnington England we played right before him, and it was unreal. Isn't the vibe though? Weird? Like when you really know what's going he came to have a little bit. But they seem to be getting along. But but it's like Keith and Mick. Yeah, like you know that that's like a marriage that's together because it's healthier together than not. But it both kind of it's it's awesome and it sucks at the same time. I think it's helped since I think Joe got sober, so I think that things are a little easier in that world. But no, I hung out with him and it was cool. I mean, you know, I'm my mind. I'm on the little report order from almost famous, you know, like picking out trying to keep my cool and uh but yeah, man, they have a great show though still still sound great. What about you? It's such a dynamic and I mean, look at you guys. How do you guys stay to gain? I mean that's a lot of time with people. Yeah, my man with three kids from downtown Nashville. But like you know, when you have a similar dream and you have all you know is the three of us, like but you get wives and friends. You know, it's just it's kind of like a big family, you know. It's it's a lot of fun. All we wanted to do is gonna bus, you know, and then where on the bus we made it? You know, I got on the bus. And now the next thing is we want to headline rob headline the Robbit. Next thing, you know, we want to start touring Europe. Sure you're telling out, you know. So it's like you're doing so much and you're doing it all together. It's it's it doesn't get old. Really, it's kind of just like it's a lot of high fives going on. Okay, how about this. It cool because you're all, you know, kind of like three. But you have different success levels writing, so it's not like your bank accounts are all the same. So are you buying dinner most of the time? Yeah? I mean is there resentment because no, I mean they've seen how hard I've worked, you know when, But do you understand the question is there resentment? Because I mean, I hope not. I'd like to think that you gotta you gotta freaking monster truck out here with a Tesla at home. I'm just this is a question one that jumped into testa thing. I should have said that the guys, you know, um, we all worked we worked together really well. We all deserve everything that we have and we all know that. Like Neil learned how to write songs, you know what I mean, the drummer, he got publisher Dylan. He's made a very very liquid, you know, situation out of it and he's doing really well. Um Kelby if Kelby Kelby doesn't really like writing songs as much. You know, he doesn't when he wants to, but he's not's not his thing. He like riding is Harley and playing lap stool and smoking weed, you know what I mean. Like that's Kelby, um, And there's no resentment like no man because we I mean, I'm not him since he was thirteen, you know what I mean. So it's like any if you ever any of these guys where if I haven't anything, they obviously know I mean, you don't. You can gonna find a tighter unit of people, you know what I mean. Like it's just what it is because we grew up together. But no, I don't think they'ser your question. I don think there's any resentment. Who is it? Did you see right now that you like they're they're just good, Like they're good t J and John real good brothers. I was born. That's that I heard some of their new record either and we played with them and it's irritating almost to the point because they're they're really good and they you know, we kind of at like brothers actually are brothers, which is a really cool thing. And there's two of the best to you. I mean, do you know there's guys I know, John Well, John and Lucy Well. Yeah, so awesome, you know. So I'm just so happy for them. We're actually taking them to open our November European tour, so that's gonna be a mess. John played we uh, we did a show at the Rhyman and we asked brothers come out with us. Sorry, brothers Osborne. So it's not cool. It's not too cool, guy, um say complay was complay with this, and I felt like you could make the called John's a friend. You never want to ask your friends to do a lot of business stuff because there's that line. But then if you're so good friends, you could be like, hey, can you come out Saturday night and play? And so I was like, hey, when you guys come, do you know a couple of songs we're playing the Rheman. And I've seen John play before, but only like acoustic and there's a difference that when he gets out electrics. I mean, it's like me walking down the street him playing an electric guitar. It's just there's not so you you look and walk down, I'm super cool. Yeah, like it with ease and I'm super cool. Yeah. No, it's he's he's there's one other guitar player in town that's that, and it's not like it's just a different thing. Well, I was gonna guess who are gonna Jack Pearson blues guy he's plays, he's to play all my brothers stuff. But John is by far like my favorite guitar player in town. I think he's just disgusting, you know. And he's super It's tasty and cool, and he's not doing every lick that everybody else is doing, you know what I mean. I got a buddy that produces television shows and he was like, you know, we're gonna give brothers osboord and I'll tell the story. I don't he don't care. He's like your brothers osmore some time and CMA fest and coming up he's like cool and he goes another buddy had I was like, who his brother's osbore Like he's from California and he's like, you know, two brothers are good. I think you don't like him, And he's like, I don't think I'm anna like him. Like he'd listen to a couple of songs, you know, pull them. Well, he's played a couple of songs. But you know he's not a country music, is not really a rock guy. He lives in l a more of a hip hop guy. And also you look at him. He said, big beer. It's just a thing, like you have to fully take it in to appreciate it. And so oh, he there at um Nissan or whatever it's calls called Nissan's did though I don't even know, but whatever is that where the Titans played where they have and he comes up, he goes who's who's playing? Are there? And goes to brothers off when he goes Holy like they need to be on And I think on the show that that's gonna come out, Like I think there's like a four minute John solo on it where he's just crushing it, and you don't put that on TV unless it's just so freaking good. Like on the first single on the album cut there was there's like a seven minute solo on the back side. Yeah, it's really good too. It just sits on, it keeps holding up. It's Blue Apron. Oh, I gotta do it. Oh yeah, my bad. I don't know. It's kind of I was at a conversation over here. Alright, alright, right, let me talk about Blue Apron for a second. Blue Apron is awesome. It comes, it comes right to your door. Blue Apron is awesome because there are mills in this that you can make that you would never be able to make if it wasn't for Blue Apron. Blue Apron is awesome because it's affordable for less than ten dollars per person per mill. 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But I'm gonna play this one here Dr Cold John Yeah, it wrote this one and Johnathan Singleton's on the Singleton and Neil on the back of the day the back of the bus. Riding is always weird to me, Like you like riding on the bus. I just were honest. I mean, I have to keep writing, so you just we wrote half this record on that bus, but we got the studio on the back and it's it's really homy. It's cool, you know, because we we'll take the bus and I'm just I just want to slip. I don't get all asleep anyway, so maybe that's why I win. That's three in the morning. You always sleep really good on the bus because it's cold and dark, it's a little and you're and you're just moving just a bit. Nobody to mess with you. It feels like going as a kid, we used to ride right on the back to camper like we go, we go thirty miles, being a campra show, getting sleep bag, driving through Arkantas. That's kind of what it feels like. So you have the bus like just doing people people probably the bus, so you get multiple buses. Now, no, we just I'm gonna take a family one out later in the year. But this one it's just there's three the only three dudes. And then we have four crew, so seven of us total. That's it. Yeah, so we have the condo is really cool. And I'll say about you guys, looks cool as there are three you on stage like here it is yeah, no tracks, no no punch in the face, it's three of us like here, it's you know what I remind the first I watched you guys, when I first moved down, it was I was like, this is like the southern rock Green Day is what I felt it Nirvana. But I'm just telling you what I felt in my head. You can't even out the game. When I was walking on the road looking really cool. But but you know, forever Green Day, it was just those three like that was it. But Nirvana put a Pat smir would get he got in is the Fourth for a while, but that really wasn't until like the acoustic thing, right, But then he was part of a two for a bit which, by the way, the Food Fighter right now, you know, which is awesome. But that's why I didn't think Nirvanna can such a Nirvana fan that I put Pat in my head. All Right, I'm with you on the Green Day things. Now you're not at you tell me a little bit. You're like, no, I would do on Nirvana. But I felt like I was like because I always thought it was cool. The Green Day was just gonna put three freaking guys like Billy Joel played the guitar. It was just boom, boom boom, and it was just it was like, there's a lot coming from those three. Yeah there there. I mean, I mean that's the idea. It's easy top, you know, that's kind of where we get our thing from. It is just we were gonna add somebody at the beginning, and we're just like, God, I whish it was the way we could figure out how Cob we could play lap still on base at the same time, and he's like, well, hang on, put these phuttles up and it was like and we're like, oh, hell yeah, one less guy to pay. Don is it a like I fell as you just don't want to play any track at all like that, Like I mean, it's just we don't use clicks, so we all kind of if you notice, if you watch us play, we kind of moved to like a lot of tempo changes and it's some of us accidental, some of it's just I'm I'm just going to a riff and we are ripping off music or somebody, you know whatever, and Neil just goes with it. And it's like to do all that stuff, you have to put your whole show on a thing, and we've never done that. We don't even have a set list. We never know what we're gonna play, Like we have kind of a skeleton sometimes, but we'll go out there in our guitar text but like can on the radio? Can we get an opener police? And we know we're guitars to hang you and like too much before we're gone, We just kind of call it. So it would kind of take out a lot of that thing. You know, how much pressure you putting yourself with this album? I mean we a lot. We put it out within a year of the last record, which is you know, I think us cutting a song like legacy to and and not giving that away when a lot of people wanted it. I think, UM and I I just had a kid, Keble, just got married. It kind of says where we are in life too, and it's it's I'm really proud of that song. I think this this record opened some doors force and um gives the old fans what they want. Also shows the right amount of growth because we'd be lying to you if we said we didn't want to be the biggest fan in the world. And I think the records that we're making and we're doing it by ourselves, we're heading in a direction that's you know, we're doing We're moving up. It's good. Is it weird to see band beat knockoff kind of like three bands and actually have hits when they're knocking off of you guys? And I mean, because I see string, I've been waiting to talk about this. Tell you about it, man, it's like keeping good junior thing. Uh yeah, you know, all right, go ahead. So because I've seen it, I see all my balls like I've seen knockoffs. It's frustrating and and and them get hits. You know, the thing is about those bands a lot of times is or artists. You know a lot of artists are doing it, like just single guys are doing it, and they still can't sell five hundred tickets in their hometown, which is sad. So I mean, I think our thing is, you know, we're just doing We're doing, keep our head down and writing as good as songs we can write, making good as good records as we can write, and playing as many shows as we can and not just here worldwide, And that's something that when it does hit, it's gonna be something fun to take advantage of, and everybody's going to have a good day that day because it's gonna be like, oh wow, now we get to see somebuddy who's who's put the work in. Get to see both sides of that success, you know what I mean. Like things like Spotify streams frustrate me too when you bring that up, because I may have twenty millions Spotify streams, and like I have friends are like, hey, it one of my Spotify streams, and like, yeah, how's that working out? Is that? Yeah? How's that working out for you, Like, well, I'm I can't sell a lot of bar yet, but in their seriously one, yeah, it does help a lot, I'm sure, but you don't. I don't think it's something like that. You see, there's no translation from Spotify streams to being able to actually go out and make money. And you definite want to see it for sales because yeah, and not because Spotify Apple Music title even I already has gotten the streaming game. Not because they're trying to hurt him, because there are no rules. And like I have a buddy Lee Miller who goes and testifies. It's one of my seven girls with him. Yeah, so like that's like one of my close friends. And so he goes and sits in front of Congress and it's like I did the Billboard. They did this list and it's like the most powerful hundred people in country, which pretty much everybody like that to include everybody. So they put me in there like, hey, what's the question that what's the thing, And I'm like, you gotta pay songwriters, Like that's what That's what my answer was. It's like because Jesse Alexander was in here and I was talking to her, and you know, she wrote the client from mileys IRUs. It's almost like seven formats number one and she's written, you know, I drive your truck for Lee Bryce and she said, I've made more money singing background vocals from streams than I have writing these massive songs because the rules just aren't there. It's will and to watch Lee do that. You've seen those recordings of him, how well spoken is like he's crazy Miller. Oh, Lee Miller, Oh yeah. And I was like I was gonna be that well spoken that No, no, no, I'm like, that's dude. I was giving you the weirdest because I was like, I've never to leave well spoken any bride's really well spoken at four in the morning. Um, but no. Yeah, but Lee's a monster. He's really standing up for all. It's really good because they asked me to go up there one time and do a thing with him and sit on a board me him and Christie Stephano, And I was like, I don't thank you this guy there in d C trying to get them to improve whatever. When you have to look formal, do you put your hair a ponytail or you just leave it down? I mean it's just kind of does what it, does you know I look weird in a ponytail? Um? So yeah, when are you? When are you gonna like James Hetfeld and just completely call it we Maybe next record, maybe next record, But I just don't. I don't look as cool, you know. And I like my long hair, and my kid likes it now too, so it's kind of fun. I got a kid man, Jude, Jude the dude. Do you find yourself though, like living your lifestyle on the road even a little less hard? Yeah, I've had to definitely unless you don't want to get that phone call at the you know, because six and the more and five of the morning that Mama and him are ready to go, whether or not I got hammered the night before. So I kind of I try to eat up a little bit on it. Do you because you like, if you can't sing, you can't you guys can't really play? Do you have to take care of yourself better than they do? No, I'm honestly, I've been really lucky there. I've never I've never had any issues. And I know a lot of my friends Keith and Chase Rice and they did vocal or m yeah a little bit, And so I just I never had to do that. Granted, I've never gone to Talctor and said, hey, check my ship out, so it could be bad, you know what I mean. I don't know, um, but I've never I don't know if it's just the way of saying or whatever, but I've gotten lucky on that one. Granted, if you kick it to her like a c M S four nights and right in Vegas and then you have to go play five shows, it's probably not gonna be good, but you have to hold it back and gives people a kind of a little slightly sucky show because you know you got a bigger one coming up. No, I don't ever do that kind of I've never been that kind of guy. I usually kind of go for it and it'll it'll out somehow. You know. Here's this one, Jake. I can hear you guys doing this. He's on our first record. Yeah we did we do this one. Maybe I have heard you guys do That's why I think that, Yes, maybe that's why I saw Drake White yesterday at what he has day a blow together, dude. I saw Drake White yesterday Watershed and he now has a creepy single mustache. Have you seen Drake Weather. No, he looked at saw a picture real skinny though skinny and only has like a single mustache. And I walked up to him and he's still wearing the habit. I was like, that's not Drake and I was doing that? Was he what's he doing that for? I don't know. I didn't go him talking and I know his wife. I don't know Drake, and but I was like, that's not him. Too skinny, too creepy of the mustache. And then I was looking at pictures of other people playing Watershed. I want to see what was happening around and I was like, this freaky Drake that that's the skinny guy with the single mustache. Yeah. Yeah, Do you think about what we're talking about? You walking in with and and said with Steven Tyler, you think of an artist that came in now that we'd know who it was, there was a little frozen when they walked in. How to write with you? Um, it happens with a lot of younger the younger new artists. Uh, I don't know if you know who. It doesn't matter, but yees, I mean it happens every now and then, and you don't hear about it until the co writer was like, hey man, they were they're really excited, and I was like, oh cool, you know that's pretty neat. Anybody just kind of made it and you want to say no, yeah, I can't, I mean, because then it makes me look. No, it doesn't mean every time Dirk's yes to right with me, he freaks out. Actually saw him on the whale here, but Dirk, he was doing that white tank thing he's drives. But no, I mean, I don't know, dude. You know, I just try to write songs and that people. I get you planning that, okay, you know, anybody's all right. It's not even a bust at though one I asked a question like who would come in? It's probably a little nervous to write with you. I think. I don't know. Man, I'm a pretty big deal, Bobby, That's what I'm saying. You don't see me walking down the road. Do you walk? Like when I walk? People notice? Yeah, what are you thinking about the project? Because I know, because I'll tell you how I thought. I'll be honestly, I'll see it never worked. It's never gonna work. But it doesn't matter, Like this is freaking Steven Tyler. It was pretty much my scene. I didn't think it was gonna work at country radio, um, being in a band that is a little left you know. Um. I just and I had heard a lot of the record that they were making, and I love all the people that were involved, and I was like, it kind of felt it kind of felt a little forced at some points, you know, like for the country radio songs that they were thrown out there. I kind of felt like maybe they should have just gone and done a rootsy cool record, you know, and all of Robert Plant but that whole like and just kind of do your own thing and not really try to go straight the throat. Um. But what do I know, it's freaking Steven Tyler. Now I felt the same way. I was like, is there, it never gonna work, But I don't care. When do I get to sit and talk for an hour and then afterward hang out with Steven Tyler. I wish, our hope that whole record would have been more along the lines of what we did, just because it was granted's up my only but like I love hearing him thing like that. But you know, shoot, listen to Jaden and all those uh crying and um or whatever the list of silver Stone video was. I can't remember, but those are like Carrie Underwood songs and these days, you know, I mean, that would work right, and so I guess that's kind of what they were thinking. I don't know. This is my favorite story from you guys. I don't know which one of you it was, because it's like a hundred miles in our area is walking through and we're talking about lightning. Uh no, hundred, although it's really good station listening Lightning hundred a lot. It was all ninety three and I used to do afternoons and all I see a fake character. It's called Slappy and Zeus Ways to be after and I think it was your your drummer. He was like, yeah, just turned my station. And it's like, yeah, I do alternative stations too, and he was I wish and I was like, oh, we have do use fake names because you know the country guy. Bob's my real name, but I'm like a Slappy and he's like, you're Slappy and Zoos from the Afternoons. I was like yeah, he's like so he thought it was coolers. That was that dude from the alternative station. Then I was the morning guy. That's five million listeners on the radio. You know. He was like like, listen to every afternoon. That's awesome, that's funny. And I was like, Okay, well let's do a country interview now it's Bobby here. Yeah, let me see what else? Like, I got anything else here? I want to up here? Now this is not one I would hear you guys, what song made you the most money of all these? I think probably that one, Beaching. I think that one definitely sold the most. Um probably you know a lot of them, like like some Shine Whiskey probably was pretty good because it was on the chart for a year and it's a two right, Um, I mean the American country love song was a big one, like, um, what are you still getting checks? Four? Of all these? Probably the American country love songs? And then Southern Girls a big one too. Yeah, something that was big A little bit back though, sweet Where was that? Because if you're get flies first Southerning, you don't have to fit early in that second. Yeah, that's a fairly in that that some American bank stuff here. Yeah, like real life Nashville people, they're like, oh, they played the cool card with you. Guys. They're like city, No, no, no, that yeah. He's like like you don't even know, you don't even know, Like we used to go watch American Bank. That's a good time. I'm like, I'm not trying to fight with you bad. Have you seen me walk? Like? I got my own thing going right doing? What was up with that? What's what's the name changing about? Um? Warner Brothers. We were signed to Warner Brothers l A. Tom Wally was running the label and Big Mishap. We spent millions of dollars on that record, but Bob Rock produced it. Was we did it, recorded it in Maui. It was pretty wild, lived there for like two months. Um, as soon as the record came out, they fired everybody and we got dropped. So it's your classic major label story. We're on the label for seven years and so we it just it was a real huge bummer. So you can't keep the name. They owned the name, you know. I just was done mentally with that whole situation. So that was in December, and then in January of two thousand and eleven, we went in with Dave Cobb and started this band and it's been good ever since. Has it? Yeah, there have been a minute where you been like, I don't know if we can do this anymore, dude. We just we spent the first three years in this band and a van going back and forth to Texas. It was brutal, but we were building, you know what I mean Texas because we signed a manager, signed from with a manager down there, and I just liked the fact that they were people down there making a living. Who's your manager Triple A. Yeah, so Austin, Bruce and George, Yeah, yeah, they're a yeah. Yeah. I mean it was form of JABS in Austin for thirteen years. Home to me. Yeah, So we've spent a lot of time there, and um, it was it was really fun because we got to build this thing down there, and then you know, you hit a little rock and you hit um Memphis and you hit everything in between. You go up into Oklahoma, you go up into Kansas, and so we built the school thing and we got to a point where we couldn't get it any bigger without a partner, so we signed with a label and it's been great. I mean, we've done it all. Everything we've done, we've done our way without anybody else putting any ideas. You know, down there's no other cooks, which is killer. You know, if we need help, we asked for it. I wonder like rascal flats, they don't like to be called the rascal flats like that that pisces them off. They will treat you differently if you do, because they know you don't know, Like they're like, okay, you don't even know you're bones. Stop Like that's like, and people call us cadellec three. Okay, so is it? That's that's my question. We hate that. That's what I'm gonna say. That's what I say. Like if some or the number three they spell it out, I don't know, like what that doesn't matter as much. It's but why okay they're not they're both. I guess it's like because people a lot of times, okay, we've got cut elect three here. It's not his epic a there's three dudes, we are the Cadillite three. You know what I mean. It's not like you you understand though, that it's such a weird little thing that humans like the word the means nothing. But I do understand how you're saying it's the Cadillect three. But for me, like I didn't know this is a thing with you, Like I'm learning right now. Well, you wouldn't just go Bobby Bones show you go the Bobby Bones, wouldn't do you not do that? I don't care. It's the word who cares? You know? You said that though, uh, sometimes I listen to it. But now I'm gonna tell you I don't do it and not do it conscious. But you're not worried about it. People be like, hey, I'll go on. That makes more sense than I'm just say. We're playing with Cadillac three. That sucks. Let me know. And you if that's your thing, I'm glad to know that because I didn't know that that matter really. But it's just when we go into situations. What makes this mad is when we go into a radio situation or whatever, and obviously this guy is like, you know, he hasn't done any homework, has no idea that the success that we've built, you know, this song thing too, and he gets into Okay, we've got Cadillac three here, so tell me about yourselves, you know, that kind of stuff, and you're just like, oh, I hate you man. You know, I don't want to be here at all, right, now, uh, and that's happened to us many times. And then they'll be like, well, what I think we had acoustics? He gets, dude, why don't you play a ballad? I get you get a big Cadillac three. You can't play a ballot? And I said, and played me a while back at Mama's and he goes, we'll play one that you wrote and I go, dude, and we kind of isn't as actually in Arkansas, of all places, it was brutal, but yeah, our radio guy was just like sitting there just going like I can't even say this guy because he's just you know, he's just digging a thing you need. The It's good that I know that because I didn't know that. Well, it's not like a no, I'm not. It is a thing, and I'm glad. I don't want to be them because they don't want to be cooked. Okay, twenty one pilots for example, they like to have their names spelled out. You don't use the number two one. That's why I'm asking, like everybody has their little things that means something to them that people would just be like, you know, just say it. How it bothers KB our Lap still player. Like if we're in a radio station he'll say something to the guy, or if it's written on a on a dressing room sign and it's just as Cadillac three, which is stupid. Think about you if you're reading it. Come on, you want to see the Cadillac three, right, Bobby? You do? You do? But some people make in that you're just named again. There are a million lights and flickers and YouTube videos and bands. I know you don't want to hear this, but maybe you hear it as it it's like the dog walks down the street. Maybe it's like the Catallact three. But I'm glad to see what you're saying. I'm and you're not wrong. I just wanted to know and you are. I'm just saying, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I am. So what about people who call you TC three? But you go with that and when people know that's the means we're doing something, you know what I mean? When people are saying a nickname for something that means there's something, there's a reason to do that. Oh cool, you know, I don't know. I don't I like that because it's I'm a big fan of like the way that looks written out to because I kind of did the first drawing of it. We were broken, didn't have nobody do any artwork talks where the best stuff comes from the no, no, dude, we still use a lot of stuff, all the skulls and stuff. It's like the earliest you know, we talked about it and you want to talking about the radio watch We talk about it off or on. But it's like early art when people are like, it's probably be in trouble for saying. But like Kirk o'bain when he was really really messed up, created the best. Like Steve Jobs was like LSD open my eyeballs and with my brain to things I never and I've never for thinking me, I've never touched the Drugger. I drink alcohol or because my family all died from it. Like they're like, so I just knew from I was like eight years old, Like I'm done, Like I will die of it. If I I would love it like I would love right now, I'd love it like a god. It would be amazing. I'd be the best editor because I don't I do you talk about it? I do everything like zero or one hundred. I would turn it into a game and yes, yes, I would win until it was over, but I would spe I were talking to see he'd be like, I don't remember years of my life, so you'd say, like, I have no idea having the needle. That thing hard is pretty the needle. I I'm scared. It must make me too, it must be so good feeling. But I couldn't even do it the first time. I guess unless I was so messed up that the needle wouldn't even bother me. I don't know. I'm not a needle guy. I don't know. It's like to be drunk. It seems could be amazing. Though, it's pretty fun, That's what I'm saying. Like it seems like I can't even go to sleep at night because I'm so anxious. Yeah, pretty good. My friends are like, and I've had people like it's smoke weed, like it'll make you, it'll take you down. But in Tennessee it's still illegal like where we just were, and well we were in California. But yeah, actually no, I don't think Washington. It's I was reading about Listen, I'm a nerd, right, I was reading about crops and Washington. Number one's apples Number two potatoes number. That's why I go play does and I just read. I like to read about it everywhere I am people I am and like, marijuana is like third or fourth on the list. But it's a whole let's legalize that. I think maybe medicinally. It's maybe they're not recreational head or something. Alright, anything else you want to say. I'm good man, Yeah, I think I'm good too. I've learned a little bit. Yeah, let's see. I was looking at it. Make sure nobody yells at me for not saying that, because you guys have darkhard fans and and Dard fans. Are you guys? Are Dart fans are annoying? Sometimes? Man, that's good. My wife actually said she she goes, are you sure this is not set up by one of your crazy fans? I was like, who'd you hear this from? I go no. I talked to the producer and everything. It should be good. And then I's trying to think about all the way over. I was like, what he does drive over to somebody's house to house? I'm like, oh no. And then then I pulled up I kind of looked scoped it from I like, uh, who was it came over. We've done again. You talk about rights, I an ad right in the past. Whatever. He came over and he walked around. He was like, that has to be bigger, and I was like, I was like, dude, I'll live by myself. What do I I don't I'm good, great house man. Yeah, it's cool. I don't neighbor. It's like I like it. Yeah, And I don't have an HR way Like there's no there's no rules. It's like international waters up here. I can wrap them a trash on the street. Nobody cares. You can take a dump out there, nobody, no problem. You can. You can even sideways. But again it was I bought it all right, all right, cat Like three. I don't know when you hear you're gonna hear this, but if you're hearing this before the record comes out, because August. Okay, So the cat Like three record called Legend Legacy legacy, but I know you got that from somebody put out a single just not called Legends. And I was like, dang, oh Kelsey did. Yeah, Kelsey did. That's not as good. It's not. Yeah. So the legacy like August from what I call him Catty three, cat Like The cat Like Three. It's been fun. I pretty sure you come out. Thanks, Yeah, it's good, all right, it's it episodes. Is Mike over all right? Jaren Johnson from The cat Like Three, We'll see you next hour Na,