How to Cope With A Bigfoot Encounter | Life Does Not Always Have An Answer (Speaking To A Therapist)

<v Speaker 1>You're a therapist, correct, Yes, Okay, Well, there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people that don't know how to handle these types
<v Speaker 1>of encounters, especially since there's no answer for it, even
<v Speaker 1>with the professionals that study it, and especially like when
<v Speaker 1>you look into the Bible for answers or seek guidance
<v Speaker 1>from professionals, there's just no there's no answer.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I even struggle with this because it's like, man, is
<v Speaker 1>this because I'm a Christian, So I'm like, man, my
<v Speaker 1>sinning because I used to like do paranormal research and
<v Speaker 1>I kind of dabbled in it, and then I realized
<v Speaker 1>the more I learned, like this is evil, this is
<v Speaker 1>not good. This lets in a lot of bad things,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, there are answers for that. But when
<v Speaker 1>it comes to Bigfoot, it's like, you know, is this
<v Speaker 1>the right thing to do? And I've come to the
<v Speaker 1>conclusion that it is the right thing to do because
<v Speaker 1>people need to know that these things are out there,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's just flesh and blood creature or something paranormal
<v Speaker 1>or interdimensional going on, which could be one and the same,
<v Speaker 1>even if it's like extraterrestrial. Like a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>have included that they're not really aliens. It could be
<v Speaker 1>something demonic, which I believe. So, I mean, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if you're a Christian, but like, are you okay?
<v Speaker 2>Yes?
<v Speaker 1>For example, like how Satan showed up to Adam and
<v Speaker 1>Eve as a snake, you know, as a creature. I
<v Speaker 1>think you know, just because it's flesh and blood doesn't
<v Speaker 1>mean that's the answer to the entire thing.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think are limited understanding as humans can only
<v Speaker 3>get us so far. Anyway, I don't think it's bad
<v Speaker 3>to try to understand and to look into it to research.
<v Speaker 3>I do think that you have to do it carefully
<v Speaker 3>and guard yourself because it can open doors. But if
<v Speaker 3>you have, I mean, I go back to the armor
<v Speaker 3>of God, and you arm yourself with faith and with
<v Speaker 3>the scriptures and with all of that to keep yourself
<v Speaker 3>protected against the evil One. Because multiple times it says
<v Speaker 3>that this world is ruled by the evil One and
<v Speaker 3>by darkness. And I didn't understand what that meant until
<v Speaker 3>I started delving into this a little bit more and
<v Speaker 3>understanding like, wow, it is not just this concept. It's
<v Speaker 3>not so abstract. It's here, it's happening all the time.
<v Speaker 3>People are seeing it happen all the time, and it
<v Speaker 3>made me realize that we had this false sense of security.
<v Speaker 3>Even most Christians have this false sense of security. I
<v Speaker 3>believe that we're not in tune to the spiritual world.
<v Speaker 3>And from I haven't been in this very long. I've
<v Speaker 3>never experienced anything firsthand. So that's why I hesitate, because yes,
<v Speaker 3>I'm a mental health professional, but I also don't have
<v Speaker 3>first experience in this. I one hundred percent believe it.
<v Speaker 3>Every story that I've heard, I believe it. So yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And by the way, we'll pretty much start right now,
<v Speaker 1>I mean as soon as iicology and just because I
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like it needs an introduction and we're just
<v Speaker 1>two regular people talking. And as a mental healthcare professional,
<v Speaker 1>how do you view this topic? And when you hear
<v Speaker 1>people talk about their encounters and the trauma that it's caused,
<v Speaker 1>what do you have to say about it and what
<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts?
<v Speaker 3>I noticed the signs of trauma. When people are talking
<v Speaker 3>about it. I'll hear them say, oh, I'm starting to
<v Speaker 3>feel really shaky, or I feel like it's all coming back.
<v Speaker 3>It feels like it's happening again, or hold on, just
<v Speaker 3>a minute, my heart's racing, and all of those are
<v Speaker 3>classic signs of PTSD. When you have a troubling memory,
<v Speaker 3>it feels like it's in the past, But when you
<v Speaker 3>have a traumatic memory, it feels like it's happening right
<v Speaker 3>now again because your body is responding as though it's happening.
<v Speaker 3>And so that happens quite a bit when I'm listening
<v Speaker 3>to these stories where people are saying, I'm feeling this
<v Speaker 3>right now, So yes, I really believe that they are
<v Speaker 3>experiencing trauma. And for some people it's more intense, it
<v Speaker 3>lasts longer, they have a harder time getting over it.
<v Speaker 3>And for other people, for whatever reason, they have this
<v Speaker 3>built in resiliency that allows them to get through it somehow.
<v Speaker 3>But for the people who struggle most intensely with it,
<v Speaker 3>that is really difficult, because time after time I hear
<v Speaker 3>people say I didn't want to say something because I
<v Speaker 3>thought people would think I was crazy, people wouldn't believe me.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even want to believe it myself. I pushed
<v Speaker 3>it to the back of my memory. I just I
<v Speaker 3>forgot about it. I pushed it back, And all of
<v Speaker 3>those are signs of as well. When something is too
<v Speaker 3>difficult for you to even integrate into what makes sense.
<v Speaker 3>You kind of disassociate and push it out and forget it.
<v Speaker 3>Your brain doesn't know how to process it, so it
<v Speaker 3>forgets about it. And there are many stories I've heard
<v Speaker 3>and I think, how could this person possibly forget about
<v Speaker 3>this experience they had? And it's a survival mechanism that
<v Speaker 3>the brain does to keep you safe and keep you going.
<v Speaker 3>So I do think that some people repress those memories
<v Speaker 3>big time, or downplay it or try to rationalize it
<v Speaker 3>in some way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people that haven't encounter they're either too
<v Speaker 1>afraid to talk about it, too traumatized, and they'll never
<v Speaker 1>go out in the woods hunting or hiking and camping again.
<v Speaker 1>And then there's other people that experience this and their
<v Speaker 1>minds blown away and they want to go out there
<v Speaker 1>searching for answers. And then there's like what you said.
<v Speaker 1>People just kind of forget about it and they're like,
<v Speaker 1>what did I see? You know, maybe it was just
<v Speaker 1>a bear, Even though they know what they encountered, they're
<v Speaker 1>just like, I don't know, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's tough. I can't imagine what I would
<v Speaker 3>do in those situations either, And I think about a
<v Speaker 3>lot of these people had these experiences as children and
<v Speaker 3>how do you make sense of that? How do you
<v Speaker 3>Or they do say something and the parents dismiss it
<v Speaker 3>or think they're they're making something up, and so they don't.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Yeah, it's people deal with it in
<v Speaker 3>a variety of ways, and for those who who need
<v Speaker 3>the mental health help, I wish there was a some
<v Speaker 3>kind of integrated system that people could access in a
<v Speaker 3>safe way where it's like, Okay, I'm going to be anonymous,
<v Speaker 3>or that you know, this person actually believes me and
<v Speaker 3>I can trust them. Interestingly enough, I came across a
<v Speaker 3>therapist not long ago who believes in this stuff, and
<v Speaker 3>I was a bit surprised because I tiptoed into the
<v Speaker 3>subject and she said, oh man, she just lit up
<v Speaker 3>and she knew exactly what I was talking about. And
<v Speaker 3>so we've had some of those discussions, and so I
<v Speaker 3>know there's therapists out there. Never would have suspected it,
<v Speaker 3>you'd never know, I think, you know, So I really
<v Speaker 3>encourage people if they do need professional help, you can
<v Speaker 3>talk to, you can vet them out, you can set
<v Speaker 3>up initial consultations with the therapists for free, and you
<v Speaker 3>can kind of feel it out and see would this
<v Speaker 3>be a good fit for me? Maybe does this person
<v Speaker 3>you can even outright ask them, do you believe in
<v Speaker 3>anything paranormal? Because I do think that there's this awakening
<v Speaker 3>and there are a lot more people out there who
<v Speaker 3>are are more open to that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And that's kind of what I want to talk
<v Speaker 1>about today, is for the people that have these bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounters or any type of cryptid maybe it's paranormal or
<v Speaker 1>alien encounter, how do they go about coping with this
<v Speaker 1>type of experience. And whenever I had an encounter, I was,
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty broken, and I do struggle with like anxiety, depression,
<v Speaker 1>things like that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not afraid to admit it.
<v Speaker 1>You know, if people think my encounters are alive because
<v Speaker 1>of that reason, or it's just due to mental health problems,
<v Speaker 1>they're wrong because I really did encounter these things, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like any other human. I experience emotions, maybe
<v Speaker 1>a little more extreme than other people. But whenever I
<v Speaker 1>encounter these creatures and laid eyes on them, it had
<v Speaker 1>a profound effect on me. And the first time i'd
<v Speaker 1>seen one, I knew what I'd seen. It was close
<v Speaker 1>up and I seen it for it was probably about
<v Speaker 1>six seconds give or take, and I walked I saw
<v Speaker 1>it on walk off into the forest, similar to the
<v Speaker 1>Patterson Gimlin footage. It was just like that here in Missouri,
<v Speaker 1>and my mind it knew it what it had encountered,
<v Speaker 1>but it kept dismissing it, like you didn't really see that,
<v Speaker 1>But I know, I know what i'd seen. And it
<v Speaker 1>was probably about three weeks after that i'd seen the
<v Speaker 1>juvenile and I realized there was a family group living
<v Speaker 1>on the property. And then like it seemed like all
<v Speaker 1>my problems went a way, like any issue that I
<v Speaker 1>had prior to that encounter just disappeared, and I felt
<v Speaker 1>normal again because my mind wasn't locked on the problems
<v Speaker 1>that I had. It's like the same problems kept repeating
<v Speaker 1>in my brain and that's all I thought about. But
<v Speaker 1>whenever I had these encounters, like all that didn't matter
<v Speaker 1>anymore and this is all that I was thinking about.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I felt better after my encounters,
<v Speaker 1>which is different than most people that encountered these creatures.
<v Speaker 1>They just can't wrap their mind around it and they're
<v Speaker 1>they're terrorized by it.
<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah, I have heard of people. One story in particular,
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember where I heard it, but he said
<v Speaker 3>that he actually felt more peace and more or less
<v Speaker 3>afraid of the dark after. I mean, it was a
<v Speaker 3>terrifying encounter, but that that speaks to the paranormal aspect
<v Speaker 3>of it. These aren't just flesh and blood beings. There's
<v Speaker 3>a spiritual component to it people. It changes you. And
<v Speaker 3>people talk about this almost like a telepathic ah.
<v Speaker 2>Like the mind speak.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah and yeah. So so that part really puzzles me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does.
<v Speaker 1>I used to hear people talk about the cloaking, and
<v Speaker 1>this was after my encounters, and I thought personally that
<v Speaker 1>they were full of it. I wasn't ridiculing anyone, but
<v Speaker 1>I just really doubted it because you'd see people show
<v Speaker 1>like blurry photos. But I really did have experiences where
<v Speaker 1>these bipedal invisible beings are walking out in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>like maybe just forty yards off in the woods during
<v Speaker 1>the winter, in the middle of the day when it's
<v Speaker 1>sunny and clear in the winter, you can see really
<v Speaker 1>far into the woods and you can just hear just
<v Speaker 1>like a big lumberjack walking out there. But when you
<v Speaker 1>look there's nothing. It's like, well, maybe there is like
<v Speaker 1>cooking or whatever people want to call it. It's like
<v Speaker 1>a predator.
<v Speaker 3>I hear that all the time, where people say this
<v Speaker 3>sound was like it was right next to me, but
<v Speaker 3>there was nothing there, or it was just a few
<v Speaker 3>feet away and there's nothing there. And oh, I'm still
<v Speaker 3>a little shaky from this. Just last night I heard
<v Speaker 3>a story from my husband. I did not realize this
<v Speaker 3>they so I think I when I introduced myself, I
<v Speaker 3>mentioned a little bit about we have this land right
<v Speaker 3>now to our friend's house, and in between are these
<v Speaker 3>woods that we're pretty sure there's probably some native burial
<v Speaker 3>grounds in there. And even aside from all that, they've
<v Speaker 3>experienced lots of paranormal activity. And my husband's friend is
<v Speaker 3>also very pragmatic, very rational. Everything has a reason to it,
<v Speaker 3>So for him to explain these experiences tells me like,
<v Speaker 3>this is the last person in the world I would
<v Speaker 3>think that would tell these kind of stories. So, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot too many things to go into. But
<v Speaker 3>they've seen and heard and also felt the like something's
<v Speaker 3>watching you, that that feeling of terror that suddenly comes
<v Speaker 3>over you. So all of it, and the both mom,
<v Speaker 3>dad and one of the kids have experienced things, and
<v Speaker 3>so we're well aware of this. I didn't realize this.
<v Speaker 3>At the end of October. Our friend had been bow hunting.
<v Speaker 3>He got a deer and it ran off, and he
<v Speaker 3>called my husband to come help him track it. So
<v Speaker 3>they're out in the middle of these woods, pitch blacks,
<v Speaker 3>nine o'clock at night in the woods that they know
<v Speaker 3>that this stuff is happening. And if I had known this,
<v Speaker 3>I would not have let him go. They're following the
<v Speaker 3>blood trail with their headlamps and they come upon this
<v Speaker 3>pile of bones and the trail suddenly disappears. And while
<v Speaker 3>they're there, they hear this, like they described it, very weird, grunt,
<v Speaker 3>breathy type of sound. And my husband, of all people,
<v Speaker 3>he's like, what was that, you know, he was kind
<v Speaker 3>of scared. He's like, this doesn't make any sense. I've
<v Speaker 3>never heard this kind of noise before. Both of them
<v Speaker 3>have hunted their whole life. They've been out in the woods,
<v Speaker 3>so one of those things like you hear this sound,
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing there, And of course they brushed it off,
<v Speaker 3>like okay, let's just keep going looking for the steer.
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm really glad I found out about this
<v Speaker 3>after the fact, but it still makes me a little
<v Speaker 3>bit shaky to even think that they were out there
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the night and they heard this
<v Speaker 3>very eerie sound that neither of them can explain and
<v Speaker 3>nothing was there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying, especially since there's paranormal activity happening and
<v Speaker 1>they experienced this unknown creature. I talk about it all
<v Speaker 1>the time on my channel that usually people that experience
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot activity are experiencing paranormal activity, not like the same day,
<v Speaker 1>but like, let's say throughout the span of time, Like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, they had this bigfoot experience, and then three
<v Speaker 1>months later there's stuff in the house, and then after that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe in a couple of weeks or a
<v Speaker 1>couple of months later, there's this weird UFO over the house.
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's strange.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they our friend has noticed things in the sky
<v Speaker 3>that haven't made since. They've experienced a lot of weird noises.
<v Speaker 3>The other night, they said they heard this what they
<v Speaker 3>described as whooping and kind of like a lower grunt
<v Speaker 3>and whooping for a while, and then shortly after that
<v Speaker 3>they see a light, this orb of light hovering above
<v Speaker 3>the ground, and then it just kind of dissipates into
<v Speaker 3>the trees.
<v Speaker 1>And this is this is right down the street from you.
<v Speaker 3>So we have we have some acres that we have
<v Speaker 3>a ranch, but we don't live there yet, so we haven't.
<v Speaker 3>There's no house, there's no infrastructure. It's just fields and tree.
<v Speaker 3>We have some cows and pigs and chickens and sheep
<v Speaker 3>and our land. There's a small farm road. Then those
<v Speaker 3>woods that I was talking about that are maybe a
<v Speaker 3>couple hundred yards. I'm pretty bad at distances, but it's
<v Speaker 3>in eighth of a mile, so it's really not that far.
<v Speaker 3>An eighth of a mile of these woods, I think
<v Speaker 3>all together it's a block of woods that's maybe ten acres.
<v Speaker 3>It's not huge. It's just about ten acres of trees
<v Speaker 3>between our properties. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>What a Minnesota Okay, Yeah, they're up there, especially in
<v Speaker 1>the northern part.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. Yeah, we've heard. Actually, my neighbor did an
<v Speaker 3>interview with some with a guy who does so learn
<v Speaker 3>things like you people just he narrates their stories, and
<v Speaker 3>he did an interview with him last year talking about
<v Speaker 3>all of his experiences for about forty five minutes. And so,
<v Speaker 3>but of course he wants to remain anonymous and all
<v Speaker 3>of that, and so do we obviously. But the comment
<v Speaker 3>section was very active with people from our area talking
<v Speaker 3>about their experiences for years and years, so it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>surprise me. It just feels more real than it ever did.
<v Speaker 3>It's not just stories anymore. It's these accounts from people
<v Speaker 3>that we know and trust more than anyone. And to
<v Speaker 3>know that we will be living right there someday, it does.
<v Speaker 3>It's unsettling. It's not that I'm terrified, and it's not
<v Speaker 3>that I don't want to go ahead with it, but
<v Speaker 3>it's unnerving.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean when you move to
<v Speaker 1>that area, they could be around and you just got
<v Speaker 1>to be mindful of that. So let's talk about ways
<v Speaker 1>that people can cope with an encounter. Let's say there's
<v Speaker 1>a hunter that went into one of his favorite spots
<v Speaker 1>in the National Forest and he was confronted with a
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch creature. And let's say this hunter never wants to
<v Speaker 1>go into the woods again, he's terrified, he doesn't want
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. How can a person like this
<v Speaker 1>deal with this situation? And I'll talk about how I
<v Speaker 1>dealt with the situation. Like I said, I was pretty
<v Speaker 1>excited to see these creatures because I was in a
<v Speaker 1>broken stage in my life and I was glad. I
<v Speaker 1>rejoiced to know that there was more out there than
<v Speaker 1>what we know, and there's more to life, and.
<v Speaker 2>That was my perspective.
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, you know, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what they are, and I'm not going to say that
<v Speaker 1>these things are friends and they won't hurt you. But
<v Speaker 1>that was just my experience that they went their own way.
<v Speaker 1>But what helped me was I think the excitement and
<v Speaker 1>I went out into the woods looking for answers. And
<v Speaker 1>I hear a lot of times that if you're facing
<v Speaker 1>like a traumatic event or you're scared of something, the
<v Speaker 1>best way to deal with it is to face it
<v Speaker 1>and kind of deal with it head on. So I
<v Speaker 1>think that was more my approach. But just just because
<v Speaker 1>I'm brave and this I'm not even gonna say I'm brave.
<v Speaker 1>People say that I'm brave. I'm just looking for answers.
<v Speaker 1>But I think that helps me to cope with these
<v Speaker 1>experiences and encounters, and I think speaking with people about
<v Speaker 1>their encounters helps me deal with it. So I'm not
<v Speaker 1>brave by any means. And you know it, after I
<v Speaker 1>had these encounters, that's all I thought about. So just
<v Speaker 1>because I was excited about it doesn't mean that it
<v Speaker 1>was a good thing or a bad thing. It's just
<v Speaker 1>like an unknown thing. And I think that's the most
<v Speaker 1>troubling thing for me is that nobody has an answer.
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like the more people I talk to, the
<v Speaker 1>less I know, and the more information I look up,
<v Speaker 1>the less I find out about these creatures. And that's
<v Speaker 1>kind of strange because usually if you're having an issue
<v Speaker 1>in your life and you study it, you figure it out,
<v Speaker 1>you can overcome it. But with this, it just leads
<v Speaker 1>to more answers or more questions.
<v Speaker 3>Right. Well, first of all, it's not a one size
<v Speaker 3>fits all approach. What works for some people maybe because
<v Speaker 3>that's there who they are, that works for them, and
<v Speaker 3>for other people that need something else, so what? And
<v Speaker 3>also I would approach it differently if someone sees it
<v Speaker 3>from a spiritual point of view, as opposed to no
<v Speaker 3>spiritual connection at all, because I I don't say I
<v Speaker 3>can't say no, but I know, based on everything I know,
<v Speaker 3>that this is a spiritual thing, and not just from
<v Speaker 3>all the stories I've heard, but from what I know
<v Speaker 3>of scripture, and it seems like people who have a
<v Speaker 3>faith in God have an easier time dealing with it.
<v Speaker 3>Not to say that God is just going to make
<v Speaker 3>everything go away. That's not how it works either. You
<v Speaker 3>can have a faith in God but also need to
<v Speaker 3>go to therapy and that's okay, under but the piece
<v Speaker 3>that I have is understanding it from the spiritual point
<v Speaker 3>of view is that we can't fight flesh, and we
<v Speaker 3>can't fight it with just flesh and blood because it's
<v Speaker 3>not the best defense we can have against it is
<v Speaker 3>prayer and being brooded in your faith. So that's a
<v Speaker 3>big piece of it for me. And as far as
<v Speaker 3>the trauma symptoms, yes, exposing yourself to a trauma, facing
<v Speaker 3>your fear, but some people need to do that in
<v Speaker 3>a much more deliberate way, not just going headfirst into it,
<v Speaker 3>and because that's how people get re traumatized. So for
<v Speaker 3>some people, facing the fear is something they can do
<v Speaker 3>and that's what they want to do, and that works.
<v Speaker 3>For other people, I think it needs a bit more
<v Speaker 3>of a strategic approach, and you do that desensitization in
<v Speaker 3>a gentler way. And so talking about it, for sure,
<v Speaker 3>is a way to desensitize the fear and all of
<v Speaker 3>the other trauma symptoms that come along with that. And
<v Speaker 3>I know that can be tricky for some people if
<v Speaker 3>they don't have people in their life, but coming onto
<v Speaker 3>these channels and speaking about it, I wish there were
<v Speaker 3>support groups and for things like this. I think that
<v Speaker 3>would be really helpful too. This has given me a
<v Speaker 3>few ideas. Maybe maybe I could create something like that,
<v Speaker 3>a safe place for people to come and give each
<v Speaker 3>other support and talk about their story. Because there is
<v Speaker 3>there is a therapy called trauma focused cognitive behavioral therapy.
<v Speaker 3>I know that's a mouthful, but it basically has a
<v Speaker 3>person tell their story over and over enough times that
<v Speaker 3>it's not it doesn't have control over them anymore. But
<v Speaker 3>of course in doing that, they learn coping skills along
<v Speaker 3>the way so they don't get overwhelmed by those traumatic feelings.
<v Speaker 3>And so I'm thinking, when people are experiencing these traumatic
<v Speaker 3>flashbacks of these things, breathing. Breathing is well, And I
<v Speaker 3>know it sounds so cliche cliche, but it really does
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of power because when your nervous system
<v Speaker 3>gets kicked into that fight or flight response of when
<v Speaker 3>you were in that traumatic experience, your breathing automatically increases,
<v Speaker 3>your heart rate, increases, your adren of glands start pumping
<v Speaker 3>out adrenaline and endorphins, and it's this whole cascade of
<v Speaker 3>responses and so for you to stop and slow your
<v Speaker 3>breath down, your emotional brain takes over, and in order
<v Speaker 3>to calm the emotional brain and bring the logical brain
<v Speaker 3>back online, you slow the breath down, and there are
<v Speaker 3>lots of different ways to do it. One of the
<v Speaker 3>for me, one of the quickest ways to do it
<v Speaker 3>is you do a double inhale and a really long exhale.
<v Speaker 3>So you go and you bring yourself to a state
<v Speaker 3>of where you feel that in control again, and then
<v Speaker 3>you can go from there, and then there's a lot
<v Speaker 3>of different things you can do. For people who who
<v Speaker 3>maybe don't have a safe place to talk about this,
<v Speaker 3>journaling about it can be really effective because it's one
<v Speaker 3>way to externalize it, get it out of your head
<v Speaker 3>onto paper, and maybe that would be a first step
<v Speaker 3>into sharing it at some point, because yeah, for a
<v Speaker 3>lot of people, they don't want to share it because
<v Speaker 3>they think they might be seen as crazy. Other people
<v Speaker 3>are so terrified they can't even get themselves to talk
<v Speaker 3>about it, and of course that's really unfortunate, and I
<v Speaker 3>really feel for those people because it doesn't matter what
<v Speaker 3>the trauma is. And that's the other thing. It's like
<v Speaker 3>two people, ten people could experience the exact same event,
<v Speaker 3>and they all experience the trauma in a different way.
<v Speaker 3>And for some people they can move on just fine,
<v Speaker 3>and for other people that really got to them. And
<v Speaker 3>so trauma isn't the event itself, it's your internal experience
<v Speaker 3>of it. And so I think for people who believe,
<v Speaker 3>well I shouldn't have this kind of traumatic response to it, well,
<v Speaker 3>it is what it is. That's how your body responded,
<v Speaker 3>and that's okay. There are tools, though, to get unstuck
<v Speaker 3>from those traumatic memories.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And you bring up some very good points.
<v Speaker 1>I believe that if you're not able to tackle this
<v Speaker 1>head on, like go out there looking for him, it's
<v Speaker 1>probably not a good idea for one, but it's good
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. So go to some channel or
<v Speaker 1>somebody who narrates these stories and talk to them about
<v Speaker 1>it and share your encounter, and you'll find like minded
<v Speaker 1>people in the comments, and you might find a friend
<v Speaker 1>that you can talk to about this. And after I
<v Speaker 1>had my encounters. I met a buddy from Minnesota, and
<v Speaker 1>he was a really nice guy and just very insightful,
<v Speaker 1>and he had some experiences in northern Minnesota whenever he
<v Speaker 1>was camping, and he's my age, and he was just
<v Speaker 1>a really good guy. We talked about God and his
<v Speaker 1>beliefs and religions, and even though I was Christian and
<v Speaker 1>he was a Pagan, we had the same beliefs per se,
<v Speaker 1>and he was just a really good guy, and I
<v Speaker 1>felt like I met a family member. And somehow, after
<v Speaker 1>telling these encounters, I met all kinds of really good
<v Speaker 1>people that you know, are going through things in their
<v Speaker 1>life that don't have anything to do with Bigfoot. And
<v Speaker 1>I could really relate to people and talk to them
<v Speaker 1>about other situations and that that really helped out a lot.
<v Speaker 1>Watching these shows will help out a lot too. If
<v Speaker 1>it's hard for some people, I understand that. But you
<v Speaker 1>can't live with this in your mind. Because after I
<v Speaker 1>had my encounters, even though I was excited, I said,
<v Speaker 1>I'm never gonna talk to anyone about this because I
<v Speaker 1>already deal with like anxiety and stuff. They're just gonna
<v Speaker 1>think I'm crazy, you know, I'm I can't talk to anyone,
<v Speaker 1>So like, I held it in for like three months,
<v Speaker 1>I think, and I couldn't take it. I found myself
<v Speaker 1>like talking to people that didn't care about bigfoot, Like
<v Speaker 1>I'd be at the gas station be like, have you
<v Speaker 1>ever seen anything weird in the woods? You know, just
<v Speaker 1>trying it into them or because after I was having
<v Speaker 1>these encounters, it made me feel like everyone was having
<v Speaker 1>them as far as like hunters and campers. I was
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, surely if they're here, you know this
<v Speaker 1>guy that's like a big hunter that's always out there,
<v Speaker 1>he's going to know about it. And I'd ask people
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, right, I don't know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 3>Right. That's the other odd, odd aspect to it that
<v Speaker 3>some people experience these things more than once, and other
<v Speaker 3>people have never experienced anything, and they've been in the
<v Speaker 3>perfect situations to experience it. So that's what indicates to
<v Speaker 3>me that there could be some kind of spiritual connection.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if you.
<v Speaker 2>Was it.
<v Speaker 3>Jeff Nadolni. I listened to a lot of the stories
<v Speaker 3>that he has on his channel, and what he he's
<v Speaker 3>made is that a lot of people who've struggled with
<v Speaker 3>mental health or addiction to something seem to there seems
<v Speaker 3>to be a higher correlation between those people and experiencing
<v Speaker 3>these things. I don't know if that's really the case,
<v Speaker 3>but I truly believe that there's some people who are
<v Speaker 3>more open, just more susceptible to experiencing these things than
<v Speaker 3>other people. May not be one hundred percent of the cases,
<v Speaker 3>but I strongly.
<v Speaker 1>Feel that, And yeah, it very well could be if
<v Speaker 1>there is a spiritual element behind it. There could be
<v Speaker 1>higher powers at work. And it says that we're in
<v Speaker 1>spiritual warfare in our lives and it's a battle between
<v Speaker 1>good and evil. But I read this book recently called
<v Speaker 1>The Bondage Breaker by Neil Anderson, and he talks about
<v Speaker 1>like cabitual sin and negative thoughts and how Satan will
<v Speaker 1>place thoughts in your mind and he doesn't know what
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, but he can place the inside your mind
<v Speaker 1>and you have your thoughts, and then there's the Holy Spirit.
<v Speaker 1>But basically, when you get these thoughts that say I'm
<v Speaker 1>not good enough, I'll never be able to do this,
<v Speaker 1>nobody likes me, I'll never be able to get this job,
<v Speaker 1>you believe it, and that's what your life becomes. And
<v Speaker 1>that's what Satan does. He comes to destroy you and
<v Speaker 1>pretty much ruin you. So if you allow these negative
<v Speaker 1>thoughts to take over your mind, you can really find
<v Speaker 1>yourself in a dark place. And the Bible says to
<v Speaker 1>take every thought captive and pretty much replace it with
<v Speaker 1>the word of God.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what he teaches in his books.
<v Speaker 1>And I found it to be very beneficial because it
<v Speaker 1>taught me a lot of things that I was doing
<v Speaker 1>wrong in my life. Even though I'm a Christian, a
<v Speaker 1>struggling Christian. I learned that there's a lot of things
<v Speaker 1>that I was doing that allowed doorways to open up,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's it was addictions, thought patterns, negative thought patterns
<v Speaker 1>that I've created throughout so many years that I have
<v Speaker 1>pretty much created pathways in my brain and as soon
<v Speaker 1>as I wake up, my thoughts go down those paths.
<v Speaker 1>And I had to straighten out that path and I'm
<v Speaker 1>still not there, but I'm struggling. And another thing it
<v Speaker 1>talks about is like playing with the occult Ouiji boards,
<v Speaker 1>spirit guides, tarot cards, playing with pendulums or hypnosis or levitation,
<v Speaker 1>anything that does not honor God, you can really open
<v Speaker 1>up bad things. And I wonder about that because whenever
<v Speaker 1>I was having my encounters, I was also having paranormal
<v Speaker 1>activity and then seeing strange lights outside, and the paranormal
<v Speaker 1>activity traumatize me. Like that's something that even though I
<v Speaker 1>experienced it, like I'll never be able to think. Man,
<v Speaker 1>that was good, Like I'm glad I experienced that, because
<v Speaker 1>like knowing that there's just something evil inside your house
<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing you can do about it will make
<v Speaker 1>you feel hopeless. And the only good thing that came
<v Speaker 1>out of it was that it strengthen my belief with God,
<v Speaker 1>and I turned to him through any bad situations that
<v Speaker 1>I have or just in my daily life. So I
<v Speaker 1>feel like, if you're struggling, it's good to read scripture
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, just it'll keep your mind busy. But also
<v Speaker 1>it's very insightful and I don't know, it's just good
<v Speaker 1>for the soul, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, very much so. And the verse that says prey
<v Speaker 3>without ceasing.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that is so weird. Yeah, because I
<v Speaker 1>have this card right here.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that.
<v Speaker 1>Was the card that I read today. I got this
<v Speaker 1>big stack. That's weird, you said that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I've been experiencing that a lot. Lately where
<v Speaker 3>I will randomly think of think of some song that
<v Speaker 3>we sing in Sunday school twenty five years ago, and
<v Speaker 3>the very next day I read that scripture. What are
<v Speaker 3>the chances that is? That's crazy? But the you know,
<v Speaker 3>it is interesting. The more I've opened this door to
<v Speaker 3>this very scary world, it has deepened my relationship with
<v Speaker 3>God because who else are you going to turn to?
<v Speaker 3>How else are you going to deal with this? And
<v Speaker 3>to understand that the spiritual world is so live and present,
<v Speaker 3>and that the world is run by the evil One?
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I took a lot of heart and I
<v Speaker 3>started delving into scripture more after just a few months ago,
<v Speaker 3>after I started digging into this, and I came across
<v Speaker 3>Psalm ninety one, and that was, oh my goodness. It
<v Speaker 3>was just like a drink, like a cool drink of
<v Speaker 3>water when you're really thirsty. It says, whoever dwells in
<v Speaker 3>the shelter of the Most High will rest in the
<v Speaker 3>shadow of the Almighty. And then verse five, you will
<v Speaker 3>not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow
<v Speaker 3>that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in
<v Speaker 3>the darkness, nor plague that destroys at midday, and so
<v Speaker 3>for me it was a very clear like God is
<v Speaker 3>the one you can rest in. How are you going
<v Speaker 3>to You can't protect yourself from the evil spiritual forces
<v Speaker 3>of this world without God, you know, and like put
<v Speaker 3>on the full armor of God, you know. And the
<v Speaker 3>word is scripture or sorry, the scripture is the sword
<v Speaker 3>of God. So yeah, it doesn't get more clear than that.
<v Speaker 3>If you want to be armed, you arm yourself with scripture.
<v Speaker 3>You pray, you stay rooted in that. And interestingly enough,
<v Speaker 3>I was listening to an interview today by a man
<v Speaker 3>who has experienced paranormal activity his whole life. He's seen things, angels, demons,
<v Speaker 3>and he that's my train of fact. Oh right. He
<v Speaker 3>used to be terrified by it, but then once he
<v Speaker 3>realized this is a gift. It's just I can see
<v Speaker 3>these things. They don't have to control me, they don't
<v Speaker 3>have to terrify me. And then he was able to
<v Speaker 3>basically armor himself and not let those things control him
<v Speaker 3>or for him to be afraid of them anymore, because
<v Speaker 3>he just understood it was just like this, Okay, I
<v Speaker 3>have this understanding. These things are here, but my God
<v Speaker 3>is more powerful.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And when Adam and evade the apple. They lost
<v Speaker 1>their grace with God basically, and they were anxious, they
<v Speaker 1>were depressed, they were insecure, and they were separated by God.
<v Speaker 1>And when we're born, we're born physically and spiritually dead.
<v Speaker 1>So we have to find that way to Jesus to
<v Speaker 1>be close to God again. And the only way to
<v Speaker 1>do that is to stop sinning. And a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people say, you know, God will forgive me for anything
<v Speaker 1>I do. That is true, but you have to stop sinning.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I've struggled with the most.
<v Speaker 2>So if you're.
<v Speaker 1>Drinking a lot, or doing drugs or even little things.
<v Speaker 1>Even being anxious all the time, which is something I
<v Speaker 1>struggle with, is a sin. It's not that you're sinning,
<v Speaker 1>but it's allowing negative thoughts to take over your mind
<v Speaker 1>and it leads to bad decisions. So you know, I'm
<v Speaker 1>guilty of a lot of this. So I'm not saying
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, right.
<v Speaker 3>The best you can do is try, though. You try
<v Speaker 3>the best that you can, and I think that's all
<v Speaker 3>that is expected of you. And to know that, yes,
<v Speaker 3>it takes our own physical self discipline and all of that,
<v Speaker 3>but in the end, it's the grace of God. We
<v Speaker 3>aren't doing any of this oner own. You can't. I
<v Speaker 3>don't think you can just stop addiction or stop whatever,
<v Speaker 3>you know, simple habits that you have. It is the
<v Speaker 3>grace of God that allows you to do that. So
<v Speaker 3>I think people who are trying so hard to do
<v Speaker 3>it by themselves, you're only going to get so far.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you know when you dive into the spiritual
<v Speaker 1>side of it or the godly things. You know, people
<v Speaker 1>click off the show and say, I don't believe in God.
<v Speaker 1>But everyone is going to struggle at one point in
<v Speaker 1>their life, and even the most hurt I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like the most skeptic of all of this will one
<v Speaker 1>day beg God for forgiveness. I don't know. That's that's
<v Speaker 1>how I feel. It says your adversary, the devil prows
<v Speaker 1>around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour. I
<v Speaker 1>feel like that's true. I feel like we're pray if
<v Speaker 1>we don't put on the armor of.
<v Speaker 3>God, right, And you can be pray in more than
<v Speaker 3>one ways. In more than one way, I think you
<v Speaker 3>can be out in the woods and be prey to
<v Speaker 3>some kind of predator, whether it's physical or spiritual. But
<v Speaker 3>we are also pray to the devil when we're watching movies,
<v Speaker 3>listening to music, doing anything that opens that door. I
<v Speaker 3>won't go into a lot of details, but earlier this
<v Speaker 3>year I was researching a Satanism because I thought, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know much about this person and there's been a
<v Speaker 3>lot of references to him, and I don't understand all this.
<v Speaker 3>I just want to understand. So I was listening to
<v Speaker 3>some stuff and in that time span, my son started
<v Speaker 3>saying some really odd things that he we're very out
<v Speaker 3>of character for him, and things that were a lot
<v Speaker 3>more explicit, and he he had no anytime I was
<v Speaker 3>listening to the stuff. It was completely separated, like there's
<v Speaker 3>no chance at all that he heard or would even
<v Speaker 3>understand what I was looking into. And so at the
<v Speaker 3>time I was like, Okay, that's weird. And then another
<v Speaker 3>thing happens. I'm thinking that's weird too, And then and
<v Speaker 3>several things happened within the course of a week or two,
<v Speaker 3>and I noted it down and it wasn't even until
<v Speaker 3>a few months later I looked back on it with
<v Speaker 3>this different perspective and realized, oh my goodness, it's not
<v Speaker 3>that I was researching it because I was fascinated in
<v Speaker 3>it and wanted to believe it. It was this is
<v Speaker 3>a topic I want to understand more about, and just
<v Speaker 3>by doing that, my son was exhibiting things that don't
<v Speaker 3>don't make any sense. Apart from that, why would he
<v Speaker 3>say those things? Why would he do that? And that's
<v Speaker 3>never happened before or since when I stopped that, that'll stop.
<v Speaker 3>He's so And he was only five at the time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I believe you. I know exactly what you mean.
<v Speaker 1>And there was this one day I was in Mexico
<v Speaker 1>at my dad's house and we were visiting family, and
<v Speaker 1>I went into the market because I was home alone
<v Speaker 1>that whole day, and I bought some scary movies, like
<v Speaker 1>the Saw movies, The Ectressism of Emily Rose and some
<v Speaker 1>other movies. And I went back home and was watching
<v Speaker 1>them waiting for my family to get back. And it
<v Speaker 1>was dark and the sun had went down. I was
<v Speaker 1>watching this movie and I was halfway through the movie
<v Speaker 1>and they were doing the extorcism on her. The Catholic
<v Speaker 1>priest was and they were speaking Latin. Well, all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the power went out in the house was
<v Speaker 1>pitch black, and I was like oh man, that's weird.
<v Speaker 1>So I had to feel my way out of the house,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm feeling the walls and I'm upstairs. So I'm
<v Speaker 1>going down the stairs, feeling the walls as I'm going down,
<v Speaker 1>and whenever I get to the front door, I can
<v Speaker 1>see outside because there's a dust of dawn light out there.
<v Speaker 1>And whenever I got out the front door, this cat
<v Speaker 1>ran in front of me. It was a black cat,
<v Speaker 1>like it was startled. His hair was like standing up
<v Speaker 1>like something had freaked him out. So I got outside
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh my god, it was just
<v Speaker 1>a just a black cat. And I see this black
<v Speaker 1>hole in the ground and I'm staring at it, like
<v Speaker 1>what is that? And all of a sudden, this being
<v Speaker 1>like stands up out of that hole, and it looked
<v Speaker 1>like a mannequin and it was like three D like
<v Speaker 1>ink black mannequin and it didn't have a face, and
<v Speaker 1>I was staring at it face to face and fight
<v Speaker 1>or flight kicked in and I took off running, and
<v Speaker 1>it freaked me out. But I feel like watching that
<v Speaker 1>movie opened up that door.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what.
<v Speaker 1>Happened, but I guess my only theory is whenever the
<v Speaker 1>priest was doing the extorcism. I can't I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what it's called. Catholics use it whenever
<v Speaker 1>somebody's fully possessed. But it it pulled something out. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was on the land in me,
<v Speaker 1>but it came out and I wasn't happy. But I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what happened to it, because whenever I went back,
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'd be terrifying. How old were you?
<v Speaker 1>I was probably a sophomore or a junior in high school.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I actually was at Ross is it called
<v Speaker 1>Ross or Ross's whatever, the clothing store the other day
<v Speaker 1>and I turned I turned it around and there was
<v Speaker 1>a mannequin behind me, and it like it gave me
<v Speaker 1>like PTSD. I felt like, like the guy off I
<v Speaker 1>am legend whenever he sees the mannequins.
<v Speaker 3>I felt like that was like, no, my goodness.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it tripped me out. But yeah, it was the
<v Speaker 1>most one of the most terrifying experiences I've ever had.
<v Speaker 1>And I just don't like the paranormal And with doing
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot research, people pull out like spirit boxes and EMF
<v Speaker 1>detectors and I used to do that, but now I
<v Speaker 1>just get a bad feeling and I'm like, hey, put
<v Speaker 1>that away, or I just try to tell them, hey,
<v Speaker 1>this is going to open up doorways. Usually people say
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what you're talking about. I'm all right,
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing this forever and there's nothing I can
<v Speaker 1>do about it, and I just try to be polite
<v Speaker 1>about it. But things will happen if you mess with
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. And I warn people, but they never listen
<v Speaker 1>to me, and they always experience something, but they always say, well,
<v Speaker 1>it was probably because of this. It wasn't because of me,
<v Speaker 1>and there's just nothing I can.
<v Speaker 3>Do, right, Yeah, because the rational brain doesn't it can't
<v Speaker 3>comprehend it. Sometimes. I think your rational brain kicks in first,
<v Speaker 3>and then when there's no other explanation, you either forget
<v Speaker 3>about it or you assign it to something paranormal. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it just speaks more too that some people have that
<v Speaker 3>susceptibility and other people are a little more closed up
<v Speaker 3>to it. They just don't experience that at all for
<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, and that's really fascinating. But I would say
<v Speaker 3>the only experience I've had with that was in dreams,
<v Speaker 3>and it's hard to say. I mean, God, spoke through
<v Speaker 3>dreams all the time, and I know people experience demonic
<v Speaker 3>things through dreams, and there was a period in my
<v Speaker 3>life through I would say high school and into college
<v Speaker 3>where I had dreams of demonic presence where that complete
<v Speaker 3>feeling of terror, you're paralyzed, you can't scream, you're trying
<v Speaker 3>to move, And that happened less than a dozen times,
<v Speaker 3>and then I haven't had one since. I'm praying God
<v Speaker 3>that I never do because it's not a good experience.
<v Speaker 3>But I I pray that I don't. I don't. I
<v Speaker 3>don't have a curiosity for it. I believe it. I
<v Speaker 3>don't have to experience it to know it's true, and
<v Speaker 3>so I pray that I don't have to experience those things.
<v Speaker 3>I guess I should be more open to what God
<v Speaker 3>wants for me, but yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't
<v Speaker 3>want to.
<v Speaker 1>Again, the power of prayer, we'll protect you from all that.
<v Speaker 1>And if you're in a bad situation in your life,
<v Speaker 1>and like with sinful habits, it can't happen even though
<v Speaker 1>you're praying. So you just kind of have to get
<v Speaker 1>away from whatever is going on in your life and
<v Speaker 1>then you'll be able to overcome that with prayer, and
<v Speaker 1>you know, prayer isn't something that's just going to fix
<v Speaker 1>it right away. This is going to be something you
<v Speaker 1>have to do the rest of your life.
<v Speaker 3>Right Yeah, it's maintenance.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>And I guess where we're going with all of this
<v Speaker 1>is bigfoot, maybe something more than what we believe and
<v Speaker 1>not just flesh and blood. Just because you've seen a
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood creature with fur and it was walking
<v Speaker 1>in our world does not mean that it's flesh and blood.
<v Speaker 1>And there's many reasons why I think that, whether it's
<v Speaker 1>the orbs, which you say your neighbors have experienced, the
<v Speaker 1>cloaking that people talk about, the mind speak, where's the
<v Speaker 1>bones at? Why do people follow tracks that just like disappear?
<v Speaker 1>Why are we why are we having paranormal activity and
<v Speaker 1>strange UFO activity on the same land. Man, There's so
<v Speaker 1>much to it, really, it's hard to say.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the.
<v Speaker 1>Giants in the Bible, the nephylum, just nobody can find
<v Speaker 1>an answer. Even if you're one of the top dog
<v Speaker 1>scientists and you've got a whole research crew, you're not
<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to find find out what it is
<v Speaker 1>or figure it out and why is the government not
<v Speaker 1>telling us about this?
<v Speaker 2>And that's I don't know. There's just so many questions.
<v Speaker 3>Right, well, so a couple of responses to that. One
<v Speaker 3>one thing that I don't want to forget is when
<v Speaker 3>we pray, we also you know where two or more
<v Speaker 3>are gathered in his name. So I think that having
<v Speaker 3>the power of prayer within a group or the elders
<v Speaker 3>of a church or that can be really helpful as well,
<v Speaker 3>like that you're not just this isolated being off on
<v Speaker 3>your own trying to wage the spiritual war, but you
<v Speaker 3>need you need community and other believers. So I think
<v Speaker 3>that's important. And then with I think the government keeps
<v Speaker 3>us naive or ignorant because that's a way to get
<v Speaker 3>control people. And I think the evil one deceives why
<v Speaker 3>would we know the truth. They can't control us if
<v Speaker 3>we know the truth, and so they deceive us. And
<v Speaker 3>one thing that's come to mind for me over the
<v Speaker 3>last few months is if you keep people in the dark,
<v Speaker 3>you have this false sense of false sense of security
<v Speaker 3>that what we see is what we get. This is
<v Speaker 3>the world. We're safe. You go into the woods and
<v Speaker 3>you just do your thing. You're safe. You trust the government,
<v Speaker 3>You do what they tell you, you're safe, and it
<v Speaker 3>divorces a church and state. So you don't really need religion.
<v Speaker 3>What do you need religion for? Science explains everything. So
<v Speaker 3>I think that by keeping us in the dark about
<v Speaker 3>a lot of these things, it make us dependent on
<v Speaker 3>the evil rulers, and we can't rebel against something that
<v Speaker 3>we don't understand is actually going on. And I think
<v Speaker 3>people would rise up and say, hey, this isn't right.
<v Speaker 3>You can't do this or that, but we don't know
<v Speaker 3>about it because.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. One percent says that
<v Speaker 1>Satan rules the kingdoms of the world, and I think
<v Speaker 1>it's true. I mean, we hear these rumors and I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is true, could just be conspiracy.
<v Speaker 1>The like people in high positions are worshiping Satan, and
<v Speaker 1>even like people in Hollywood, and there's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>secret symbolism that they're using, and I believe they are.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I believe that Satan can make you
<v Speaker 1>rich and famous.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, And why wouldn't they. I mean, you
<v Speaker 3>hear time after time of the celebrities saying I sold
<v Speaker 3>my soul to the devil, and they say it in
<v Speaker 3>a joking way that seems lighthearted, and it happens so
<v Speaker 3>often you can't ignore that they're actually telling you they
<v Speaker 3>sold their souls to the devil. And yeah, I think
<v Speaker 3>that's where I started even dipping my pose into this
<v Speaker 3>again because I was I grew up a Christian, went
<v Speaker 3>to Christian college, and then I spent a good chunk
<v Speaker 3>of time being I guess a self pronounced atheist and
<v Speaker 3>then found myself coming back within the last couple of years.
<v Speaker 3>And this topic is what really pushed me in head
<v Speaker 3>first again. It's like, no, get back in there. You
<v Speaker 3>need this.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And with this topic, it's just something
<v Speaker 1>that can really take over your mind. And just like
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity, and this might be paranormal activity, you have
<v Speaker 1>to seek the word of God. Find God, because I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, there's a lot of atheists out there, people
<v Speaker 1>that just don't believe in God, that are struggling with
<v Speaker 1>mental health or traumatic events. And you'll find yourself like
<v Speaker 1>taking medication or talking to a thing therapists and it
<v Speaker 1>seems like nothing will work. You try to talk to
<v Speaker 1>your family or friends and eventually they just don't want
<v Speaker 1>to hear it. So you find yourself isolated. What else
<v Speaker 1>are you going to do other than to study scripture
<v Speaker 1>because in the end only you can save yourself. Well,
<v Speaker 1>God can save you, but you have to do the
<v Speaker 1>work right.
<v Speaker 3>And I yes God all with God, all things are possible.
<v Speaker 3>And people, Yeah, I one hundred percent believe that He
<v Speaker 3>healed the lame and he rows people from the dead.
<v Speaker 3>That is possible. But I think there are some Christians
<v Speaker 3>who have this notion that, well, why do I need
<v Speaker 3>anybody else's help? God should be able to just do
<v Speaker 3>all this, And yes he can, but sometimes he doesn't.
<v Speaker 3>And sometimes he puts tools like people and community and
<v Speaker 3>therapists and coping skills. He puts him out there for
<v Speaker 3>you to use and for you to say like, oh, no,
<v Speaker 3>I don't need any of that. I'll I'll just use God.
<v Speaker 3>But therapy can be a great tool that God can
<v Speaker 3>work through you with therapy. He can work through you
<v Speaker 3>with some of these things like trying to do it
<v Speaker 3>on your own or isolating yourself. That's why I see
<v Speaker 3>the benefit in getting involved in some kind of social
<v Speaker 3>group who can support you, whether it's church based or not.
<v Speaker 3>But to deal with this, you have to have that community.
<v Speaker 3>You can't do it on your own. You shouldn't do
<v Speaker 3>it on your own.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have to find like minded people, positive people.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm so thankful for our neighbors because they
<v Speaker 3>are both Christians. And it's interesting that our guy friend
<v Speaker 3>came back to the faith also just about a year ago.
<v Speaker 3>And so when I ask them, why are you still
<v Speaker 3>going out in these woods. You're going out there hunting,
<v Speaker 3>you're doing whatever, and he said, well, I'm not going
<v Speaker 3>to be controlled by fear. And he has a strong faith.
<v Speaker 3>Then he believes that. I mean, he's not completely unaware
<v Speaker 3>and it's not like he's just going to be reckless
<v Speaker 3>about it. But he respects nature, who respects the land.
<v Speaker 3>He prays to God yours his silver cross necklace. And yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I do think that if you have
<v Speaker 3>the faith the size of a mustard seed, you can
<v Speaker 3>you can pray to God and these things will will happen.
<v Speaker 3>And for some people that comes more naturally, and for
<v Speaker 3>other people it's growing that faith. But it makes me
<v Speaker 3>sad to hear about people who won't go in the
<v Speaker 3>woods again, won't go hunting or doing the activities that
<v Speaker 3>they use to love. It's it's completely understandable, but it
<v Speaker 3>also doesn't have to be like that and getting some
<v Speaker 3>really good mental health support and some spiritual support.
<v Speaker 1>So you feel like it's safe for people with these
<v Speaker 1>encounters to contact a therapist to talk about this or
<v Speaker 1>do you think that can be dangerous?
<v Speaker 3>I think I think you could go about it the
<v Speaker 3>right way. I think you could. You could vet out
<v Speaker 3>some therapists who may be more open to this. I
<v Speaker 3>I personally, if I had an experience, I went to
<v Speaker 3>just go to a therapists and say, hey, this is
<v Speaker 3>what I experienced without having an understanding that they're on
<v Speaker 3>the same page. So yeah, yeah, I know that there's
<v Speaker 3>probably not it. I just I don't know. That's an
<v Speaker 3>area I'm going to explore more so that I can
<v Speaker 3>be more helpful to people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I mean it's just my personal belief the
<v Speaker 1>mental health problems or traumatic issues is due to spiritual warfare,
<v Speaker 1>and that's just my belief.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>There's just no way to go around it for me,
<v Speaker 1>just because right, I mean, science doesn't have an answer
<v Speaker 1>and the mind's so complex that I don't know mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 1>We haven't truly figured it all out.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, when your life is imbalance, when your physical body
<v Speaker 3>is imbalance and healthy, when your spiritual mind is healthy
<v Speaker 3>and imbalanced, you are not going to experience those kinds
<v Speaker 3>of problems, those mental health issues, at least in the
<v Speaker 3>same way. They'll be a lot more manageable. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's spiritual and it's also a lot of things in
<v Speaker 3>your environment can influence your mental health, your your lifestyle,
<v Speaker 3>what you eat, what we put into our body.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot too, there really is.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it could just be being alone, experiencing something
<v Speaker 1>that's unusual, negative people in your life, all sorts of things,
<v Speaker 1>not like isolating yourself, negative thoughts. It could be an
<v Speaker 1>accumulation of many things into one and it takes a
<v Speaker 1>lot of work, right.
<v Speaker 3>Man. Yeah, this really gives me thinking I should create
<v Speaker 3>a list some help therapists who who are on the
<v Speaker 3>same page. Who could you know people could access them
<v Speaker 3>and some kind of directory. Not exactly sure how I
<v Speaker 3>would go about that, but I'll get back to you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in the future, if we do come up
<v Speaker 1>with the list, maybe we can put the therapist in
<v Speaker 1>the descriptions or in the description and people can can
<v Speaker 1>talk to them about their experiences, and you know that
<v Speaker 1>might be more beneficial than just telling your story on
<v Speaker 1>let's say, my channel, because you got thousands of eyes watching,
<v Speaker 1>and if they're able to communicate with somebody personally and
<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors.
<v Speaker 2>That that might help a little more.
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like since I have seen these creatures,
<v Speaker 1>I'm able to help people cope with it because one
<v Speaker 1>thing that I feel that helps them is assuring them like,
<v Speaker 1>I believe you, like I've seen these things before, I
<v Speaker 1>know they're out there, and don't worry about what other
<v Speaker 1>people say.
<v Speaker 2>You know what you encountered.
<v Speaker 1>And that's always helped me because after I had these encounters,
<v Speaker 1>I talked to one of my friends that used to
<v Speaker 1>be my supervisor at the company that I used to
<v Speaker 1>be at. He encountered these things and I told him.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, hey, I seen them. I seen a
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch because he told me about his encounter years before that,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, you know, maybe they're out there.
<v Speaker 1>He told me the same thing. He's like, don't worry
<v Speaker 1>about what other people think. You know what you've seen
<v Speaker 1>and that's the only thing that matters. And that's that
<v Speaker 1>helped me a lot. That stuck with MM hmm.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there is a lot of power in sharing the story.
<v Speaker 3>And for some people that's all they need, and for
<v Speaker 3>other people they need a little bit more. Of course,
<v Speaker 3>you can do things on your own to feel better,
<v Speaker 3>but when you feel like you can't get past that,
<v Speaker 3>reaching out to a therapist who maybe is Christian and
<v Speaker 3>then they might be a little more open to Hey,
<v Speaker 3>there's a spiritual side to things. And you know, personally,
<v Speaker 3>as a therapist, I I know what schizophrenia looks like.
<v Speaker 3>I know what hallucinations look like. If someone were to
<v Speaker 3>come in and say they saw something like you, you
<v Speaker 3>understand that this is not a diagnosis that involves hallucinations.
<v Speaker 3>Like you can kind of tell when something is within
<v Speaker 3>a mental health disorder and when something isn't. And so yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I really think that their therapist out there who would
<v Speaker 3>probably be a lot more open to this and could
<v Speaker 3>be helpful even if they'd never experienced anything themselves or
<v Speaker 3>this is a new field for them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I agree.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I believe even if you have mental health
<v Speaker 1>issues that you're going through, if you've seen one of
<v Speaker 1>these things, I believe you. Or even if you were
<v Speaker 1>drinking a beer on the river, if you've seen one
<v Speaker 1>of these things. I believe you, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 1>Just because you drink doesn't mean you start seeing sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that would be the only one that
<v Speaker 1>maybe I would question if they got schizophrenia, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Other than that, like if somebody's struggling
<v Speaker 1>with you know, because I personally feel like a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people that encounter these things have like anxiety or
<v Speaker 1>some type of problem and they're like, no, people are
<v Speaker 1>just gonna think I'm crazy. And that's not fair because
<v Speaker 1>we all experience anxiety, and some people more severe than others.
<v Speaker 2>That's just unfortunate.
<v Speaker 1>It just depends on what you were exposed to, what
<v Speaker 1>you went through, and you know, what you experienced when
<v Speaker 1>you were a child or growing up you has a
<v Speaker 1>deep impact on you whenever you grow up unfortunately.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, it wires your brain to be anxious, it
<v Speaker 3>wears your nervous system to be anxious, and there are
<v Speaker 3>ways to get through that. It's not like you're destined
<v Speaker 3>to just live with anxiety for the rest of your life.
<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of things you can do to
<v Speaker 3>rewire your brain and calm that nervous system down, and
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've seen it all the time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I feel like if you have mental
<v Speaker 1>health problems or addictions, like you're more susceptible to being
<v Speaker 1>attacked by satan demons. And that's unfortunate because again, you know,
<v Speaker 1>people aren't gonn believable. That guy drinks, so he's just
<v Speaker 1>seeing things. But at the same time, they're gonna they're
<v Speaker 1>gonna seek you.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, right, yeah, yeah. I this therapist that I
<v Speaker 3>was talking about who also believes in the paranormal. All
<v Speaker 3>I had to say was, you know, we've had some
<v Speaker 3>kind of weird experiences in the woods by your farm,
<v Speaker 3>and her face just looks lights up and she's like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>like tell me more, you know. And so it's like
<v Speaker 3>I knew right away. Okay, she's on the same page.
<v Speaker 3>She knows, and then I felt completely comfortable going into
<v Speaker 3>all of it. She's like, yeah, uh huh, okay, yep.
<v Speaker 3>This is so I think it's important to find a
<v Speaker 3>therapist who you can have that initial consultation with to
<v Speaker 3>see if you're a good fit. And I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe you'll find that person. And now with virtual therapy,
<v Speaker 3>you have so much more access to therapists out there.
<v Speaker 3>You can see anyone in your state. And there's also
<v Speaker 3>this interstate compact that they is a new thing. I
<v Speaker 3>have to look into which states. But used to be
<v Speaker 3>if you're licensed in one state, you can only practice
<v Speaker 3>in that state. But now they have this packed where
<v Speaker 3>I could see clients in this or that state, and
<v Speaker 3>so there's a number of states that are a part
<v Speaker 3>of that, and so it opens it up even more.
<v Speaker 3>You can expand that search. And I'll put this out there.
<v Speaker 3>There's a website called psychology today dot com and it's
<v Speaker 3>a search engine to find therapists and you can narrow
<v Speaker 3>it down by all sorts of details that you want
<v Speaker 3>to find in a therapist. And yeah, I think that
<v Speaker 3>you can access any therapist in your state. It opens
<v Speaker 3>up so much more possibility to finding someone who's the
<v Speaker 3>right fit for you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, a person shouldn't have to deal with this alone.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm lucky because I have this channel and that's
<v Speaker 1>my therapy. I'm able to communicate with people and talk
<v Speaker 1>with them. But you know a lot of people that
<v Speaker 1>contact me at the end of the day after they're
<v Speaker 1>done speaking with me and they share their story, they're
<v Speaker 1>isolated and alone. You know, back to regular life for me.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm able to talk about this all the time,
<v Speaker 1>and that's what helps me. I think every day for
<v Speaker 1>this channel, and it was it was a blessing. Then
<v Speaker 1>it's actually it was actually a miracle because I would
<v Speaker 1>pray really hard and I didn't have a job at
<v Speaker 1>the time, and I said, God, please give me a
<v Speaker 1>job that I enjoyed doing, and.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what it was going to be.
<v Speaker 1>Like two weeks later, I thought, Okay, what am I
<v Speaker 1>going to do with these bigfoot encounters?
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna write them down.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put them up on a channel, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna get them off my chest. I'm never
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about it again. So I did that,
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden people started contacting me. I
<v Speaker 1>started doing podcasts. The farmer contacted me and said, you
<v Speaker 1>have to get out here right now, and I said,
<v Speaker 1>can I bring my video camera? He said, yeah, you
<v Speaker 1>can record.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever you want.
<v Speaker 1>So I recorded it and it was actually a really
<v Speaker 1>big film and the channel took off and when I
<v Speaker 1>look back on it, I was like, oh my God,
<v Speaker 1>God answered and it was like two weeks after I
<v Speaker 1>prayed that really hard like like I prayed every day
<v Speaker 1>for hours, like God, I don't know what to do.
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't do that with the intentions of, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start a channel. I just did that
<v Speaker 1>to get my encounters off my chest. I knew exactly
<v Speaker 1>what I encountered. It was real, so I knew that
<v Speaker 1>it would help other people and other people would have
<v Speaker 1>the same experiences. But yeah, I seen the power of
<v Speaker 1>God when I started this channel, right.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's amazing that these channels exist because I
<v Speaker 3>hear so many stories from twenty thirty years ago where
<v Speaker 3>people say I didn't have any frame of reference. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't have anyone to talk to. I didn't know these
<v Speaker 3>things existed. And so people are coming out now and
<v Speaker 3>able to talk about these things and giving a voice
<v Speaker 3>to it. And I think that can be very healing
<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>And after I interview people that you know, a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people tell me, Miguel, you're doing a really good thing.
<v Speaker 1>God bless you, and it makes me feel good, like, man,
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing I don't know if I'm doing God's work,
<v Speaker 1>but God helped me to start this channel. And I
<v Speaker 1>talked to a lady named Carol who's living in Alaska
<v Speaker 1>and she's being tormented by these things.
<v Speaker 2>But I talked to her about it. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>do you think it's bad?
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's like a sin that I'm putting
<v Speaker 1>all my work into the Bigfoot subject? Like what if
<v Speaker 1>these things are even when she said, Miguel, no matter what,
<v Speaker 1>you're doing a good thing because if these things are
<v Speaker 1>out there, people need to know. Their kids are out
<v Speaker 1>there playing, people's husbands are going out in the woods
<v Speaker 1>and coming back, you know, walking through the woods at nighttime,
<v Speaker 1>and people are disappearing. She's like, people need to know.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if they're a demon or if it's
<v Speaker 1>a flesh blood creature.
<v Speaker 2>The people new in there.
<v Speaker 3>I think, so right, that's a really good point. We
<v Speaker 3>need to know that there are a lot of people
<v Speaker 3>who aren't gonna believe it. It. Like my husband, he
<v Speaker 3>doesn't want to believe it. I've been on this case
<v Speaker 3>for a little while, and I think at least he's aware,
<v Speaker 3>has a little bit more awareness. But you can't make
<v Speaker 3>someone believe. They have to do it on their own terms.
<v Speaker 3>But I do think a lot of people have uh
<v Speaker 3>what do you call it? Converted or you know, they
<v Speaker 3>they've believed because they've heard these stories and because of
<v Speaker 3>the channel like you have. It's bringing awareness to something
<v Speaker 3>that needs to be brought to light, and it's it is.
<v Speaker 3>It's helping people. So how could something be bad if
<v Speaker 3>it's if it's really helping.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>And I had a lot of experiences before my encounters,
<v Speaker 1>and I was listening to Sasquatch chronicles for years and
<v Speaker 1>even you know about like these creatures screaming at me
<v Speaker 1>and charging me through the woods. I was I kept
<v Speaker 1>writing it off like maybe that was a mountain lion.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that was.
<v Speaker 1>And once I seen them, I was like, Okay, these
<v Speaker 1>things are real and that's what it took for me.
<v Speaker 3>Like that's that's what he says that he's going to
<v Speaker 3>have to experience at firsthand. And I pray that he doesn't.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want him to necessarily, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>As a therapist, I thank God every day for the
<v Speaker 3>job that I have. I love it. I love helping people.
<v Speaker 3>It's what I always wanted to do. I've never once
<v Speaker 3>looked back and thought I should have done something else.
<v Speaker 3>It's such a great privilege to be able to help
<v Speaker 3>people live better lives and come through their difficulties. So
<v Speaker 3>it is very rewarding. So I'm sure you feel that
<v Speaker 3>all the time that people say that it was helpful
<v Speaker 3>to share their story.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And a lot of times I don't really even
<v Speaker 1>say much because when people start talking, they just get
<v Speaker 1>going and I don't want to cut them off, and
<v Speaker 1>I don't really get much to say. But sometimes I
<v Speaker 1>jump in and I give my thoughts and it helps
<v Speaker 1>people out. But I think just them being able to
<v Speaker 1>talk and me being in an ear really helps them out.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. Yeah. And I've paid attention to your interview
<v Speaker 3>style and it is helpful for you to say something
<v Speaker 3>like oh, that must have been really difficult, or oh man,
<v Speaker 3>this sounds scary, or even just naming it, affirming their feelings.
<v Speaker 3>Naming it goes a long way. So even Paraphrasemala said, wow,
<v Speaker 3>this is what happened. Oh man, it's as simple as that.
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people just want to hear that.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>I've been on other podcasts before before I ever started
<v Speaker 1>my channel, and like it seemed like the podcast host
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk a lot, and like I'd start telling
<v Speaker 1>my story and they just jump in and talk for
<v Speaker 1>like thirty minutes and then like I never got to
<v Speaker 1>finish my story. So like I remember that, Like that
<v Speaker 1>sucked because they didn't even give me a chance to
<v Speaker 1>talk and then they just ended the show. So like,
<v Speaker 1>whenever I do my podcast, I'm like, don't try to
<v Speaker 1>be the I don't know, the highlight of the show,
<v Speaker 1>because this isn't about you, Miguel, this is about them.
<v Speaker 1>And it does take a lot of listeners off, Like
<v Speaker 1>Miguel didn't even say anything, He's just a statue. But
<v Speaker 1>there's a reason for it.
<v Speaker 3>Right. When I hear interviews where the interviewer talks too much,
<v Speaker 3>I don't even want to listen to the rest. I
<v Speaker 3>want to hear the person you're interviewing. I yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>don't appreciate that much in an interviewer.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like if you've seen a therapist, then you really
<v Speaker 1>have something that you want to talk about or a
<v Speaker 1>list of things, and they just keep cutting you off, right,
<v Speaker 1>and just I don't know, I want to talk back
<v Speaker 1>and forth. I think it's more important to let them
<v Speaker 1>really talk and then jump in whenever.
<v Speaker 2>You feel like there's a key moment.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know it's I'm sure with you, it's
<v Speaker 1>difficult to gauge that sometimes like you feel the need
<v Speaker 1>to jump in, sometimes you feel the need to listen.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's less talking because you can kind
<v Speaker 3>of tell when people are tuning out. Well, it's like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>back off a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeahah.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a little bit of information here and
<v Speaker 1>there is is crucial because they're able to soak it
<v Speaker 1>up more. But if you if you talk too much,
<v Speaker 1>then it's it's too much to take in at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, less is more, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but you know more than I do. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>what what.
<v Speaker 1>Else do we need to cover? Do you want to
<v Speaker 1>wrap it up? Or what do you think? What are
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts? Do you have any questions for me?
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Man, I feel like I could talk about this
<v Speaker 3>for a long time, but I also need to get
<v Speaker 3>my kids to bed. I mean we cover, we cover
<v Speaker 3>a lot. I would love to hear more about your
<v Speaker 3>your experiences, but we might need to save that for
<v Speaker 3>another time. I know we bounced around a lot, but.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I feel like it was important to talk
<v Speaker 1>about scripture, and if you're up for it, I would
<v Speaker 1>like to do a part two to talk about my encounters,
<v Speaker 1>and I think it would be beneficial for my health
<v Speaker 1>and other people can listen to it and maybe you
<v Speaker 1>can provide some type of insight and.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'll be blessed if you do that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I appreciate your time today and everything you did,
<v Speaker 1>and it really helped me out a lot, so God
<v Speaker 1>bless you. And I really appreciate the work you do.
<v Speaker 1>You're helping a lot of people out and it's a
<v Speaker 1>good thing.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you. I appreciate it you as well.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, Well, you have a great night and I'll
<v Speaker 1>keep in touch with you.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sounds good.
<v Speaker 2>Good night, all right, good night.