2025 NFL Week 11 Recap: Rams, Eagles, Broncos Separate, Josh Allen Goes Nuclear, and Playoff Picture Takes Shape

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready for another Seahawks Rams game and another Chiefs Broncos game. How about the games of the day delivering in the afternoon window. We've had a lot of recaps in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio this season. I feel like this one is the most important, and that's because Patrick, the weeks, you know, make the tension rise. Each week is a little more important than the last.

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Speaker 2: Yes, who cares about what happened in the first ten weeks.

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Speaker 1: They all matter, they all matter, they all matter.

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Speaker 3: But this, honestly, to your point, this feels like a before week eleven and after week eleven where we'll look back at this week and be like, oh, okay, that's when we started to find out there's been a lot of effing around.

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Speaker 4: And if you're scared, listeners, go to church.

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Speaker 1: More on that soon, but we are going to start just across the sidewalk at SOFI Stadium.

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Speaker 5: This one I decided by a field goal one way or another. Jason Myers from sixty one yards to win it with one second to go for the Seahawks snaphole. Then boot on the way. It's fading right, It's bleeding right, it's.

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Speaker 1: No good and the Rams are.

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Speaker 5: His first place in the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: Oh. Jason Myers a horror show of a kick for the Seattle Seahawks in a twenty one to nineteen loss to the Ram. You ever the Rams? Rather, you ever think JB Long right before those big kicks?

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Speaker 2: Ever?

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Speaker 1: Did I better make this call great? Because it might make it onto NFL Daily. The Rams survive a fascinating end of the game sequence with all sorts of angles and really a fascinating game, Jordan, with a lot of defense. What stands out to you the most from this narrow Rams?

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Speaker 6: Well, Greg, I feel like, first of all, you learned a lot about me today sitting next to you in the cubes there in the newsroom. But both of these defenses were just incredible today. That Seattle was in position to win this game at the end was because of their defense, which did not allow a Rams possession to go over five plays, including five punts and six possessions in the second half, and the Rams defense went into their twenty twenty style death by ten thousand paper cuts mode and held Seattle to four field goals until a ken Walker touchdown right ahead of the two minute warning in the fourth quarter, plus intercepted Sam Donald four times throughout the game. This was a game that both offenses will probably want to forget. A master class by Mike McDonald to contain Matthew Stafford defend their hugely productive there's thirteen personnel package that we said they were in position to defend perfectly at just a seventeen percent success rate, forced them back into eleven personnel without three fully healthy receivers, go to recis and then they broke tendancy by playing more man and blitzing the poop out of Matthew Stafford, and by Chris Shula to keep his defense both patient and aggressive, capping the NFL's most explosive passing offense to just one completion of twenty plus air yards on six attempts plus an interception, and ramping up pressure on Sam Darnold in the second half. Artfully done by both Mike McDonald and Chris Shula.

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Speaker 4: Take a freaking.

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Speaker 1: Bow, yet not maybe a great game for the MVP candidacies or the conversation of either of these quarterbacks, although the win is going to be important for Stafford, but a reminder that yes, a defense first type of game can be as exciting as any score fest. And you mentioned how those rams drives were short, like their touchdown drives were very short, one of them being a three yard touchdown drive. They did have that one long march, but then another one was twenty five yards. That led to DeVante Adams after the game almost feeling like mixed emotions. Let's listen, oh man, Okay, sorry, that's him arriving to the prescott.

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Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's discouraged by what we did on office today, but it was definitely not to our standard, and I think we played kind of.

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Speaker 2: An average league game of football.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't like it was the worst of all time, but to our standard, it definitely was not there. But I mean, it makes you feel even better knowing that you know, you can play like crap, like you know what we feel like on offense, and still come out with a victory. And it's a really good team.

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Speaker 3: It's very good that DeVante Adams does not play for the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 2: This would lead a week of all this.

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Speaker 3: Ride receiver is just trashing the offense and saying they played like crap. He's swearing as he walks in to his news conference where this was just a great matchup where I felt like the advantage would be the Rams would be able to run the ball out of their big personnel better than the Seattle Seahawks. And we saw Kyra Williams of a great game averaging seven yards of carry. Puka Nakua got in the run game as well, and just of course you can it's tough to pick out four plays where Sam Donald makes bad decisions and be like, oh well, other than those plays, because there were more than that. There was a play where Rashid Shaheed had dusted Emmanuel Forbes for what would have been an easy touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Donald left it short. Forbes was able to get a finger on that.

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Speaker 3: He got bailed out by a couple of past interference plays that were close. Admittedly, like on the final drive, Emmanuel Forbes did interfere with JSN and they get a chance at the kick. But in terms of the donald skeptics out there, like you mentioned it, this is their evidence number one. This is the first thing that they'll submit when they make the case.

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Speaker 4: Jordan, it's the Rams.

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Speaker 6: The Rams are the monster in his closet right because he has he has struggled against them, and I think Chris Shula has played them a little bit differently every time.

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Speaker 4: They ramped up the pressure in the second half of this game.

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Speaker 6: Sure, and then obviously we know that that's affected Sam Donald in the past.

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Speaker 4: But they literally they made them earn.

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Speaker 6: They capped everything, and they made them earn every single inch of the field. And where I loved this Clint Kubiak offense, and I told Greg at one point, I think I'm Clint pilled here because it's like it looked like the throwback Shanahan offense is where they would just run like Zoro toss against the Rams all day, so toss the ball and hit the perimeter with some of their rushing attacks, and they kept spamming it and it was super effective, and they just could not get over the top to make these explosive plays all but one time. This is how Seattle's possessions went the entire game. Interception, field goal, field goal, field goal, interception, field goal, punt, interception, interception, punt, and then the touchdown. And that happened with a sort of a masterclass in clock management because it was with two twenty three on the clock, so they were racing the two minute warning and then were able to get that extra stoppage to put them back in a position to even win the game with that field goal. But it's pretty lucky that when the Rams overhauled their entire special teams unit.

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Speaker 4: They kept the best player on.

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Speaker 6: That special teams unit, Ethan quote unquote monster leg Evans, who ripped a punt to the one yard line the best punt punt of the year, I mean.

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Speaker 1: A pun of the year the year. We're actlualely not accepting any nominations. Here we are November sixteenth, Ethan Evans, You've won. That's going to be the pun.

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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 4: And you had to go.

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Speaker 6: If you're Sam Darnold, not only are you at that point just rattled because of what they're they've been taking the ball away, but also you know that you're not running the ball up the middle very well, and you can't go out of bounce. You're not trying to you know, you're trying to contain you in the perimeter two and and so they had to hope that this would be the thing field goal range with a minute forty one to play after that punt.

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Speaker 1: You know, I hate good losses because the next you know you aren't not necessarily going to play that well, or the game will be totally different when it's in Seattle. But Seattle can at least tell themselves that, look, we outgain them by over one hundred, We threw four interceptions and we were still in this game. Unfortunately, they lose Gray's Abel to an injury, and now you combine that with the Sundel injury at center. We'll see how serious Abel winds up being, but it didn't look great that that could be a problem for them long term coming out of this game. And I do think there's gonna be a concern until Darnald can prove that he can beat this Rams team, because you mentioned it. He had two really rough games last year against him, including in the regular season. Let's actually listen to Donald's fourth pick of the day.

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Speaker 5: Donald lists his leg to call for the silent counts now against the Blitz, has time now, it breaks down, hit jump past, he runs away again, intercepted by the Rams out the right side at midfield.

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Speaker 1: Howl takes it away with d wo.

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Speaker 5: Four interceptions in midnight mode.

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Speaker 8: They turned Shan Donald into a pumpkin.

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Speaker 1: That's so fun. WHOA that's a good one.

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Speaker 6: Sneaky big comment too from j be Long because I think Quenton Lake looked the coolest in the Midnight forms with the Midnight Blue sleeve on as well. Unfortunately, Quentin Lake left the game at halftime. He's the he's their star position player, and and uh, Charles.

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Speaker 4: Wallace came or excuse me, Josh Wallace. That's a wrinkle in time comment.

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Speaker 6: Josh Wallace came in and and he's a former undrafted free agent and had to play that position. And still they held the way that they did and made plays on the ball. I think Darius Williams has made some significant plays against Seattle, specifically with the Rams in crucial situations in his time, and so to do the things that they did despite their own injuries. And again I can't overstate enough how this group of corners and safeties who have been a huge question mark for especially the first part of the season, have really come together as a group to limit an offensive, explosive passing attack like this was astounding.

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Speaker 4: They were in din basically the whole game.

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Speaker 6: So even when Quinton Lake was out who they uses their dime linebacker as that star position player, they still stayed in the personnel that they knew would help them win the game and cap the explosives.

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Speaker 1: And when you do that, you're essentially daring the other team to run. And the Seahawks couldn't do it enough. Fifty one percent. Yeah, in dime. And it was fascinating to see the game plans on both sides because you know, the whole idea is like, oh, don't blitz Matthew Stafford. You know he's great against it. They blitzed a ton against them forty five percent of the time. It was ritt out of him and it was very effective. So both defenses I think had had great game plans and ultimately, yeah, it was La Rams the red zone and DeVante Adams his one catch for one yard on eight targets. You're right. If aj Brown had that game, it would have been absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: But kudos to the Seattle Seahawks because for the first time, what felt like the first time in the past seven weeks, the DeVante Adams split out wide by himself on the opposite side of the tight ends play was successfully stopped. But then they go back to the other version of the play where he runs the slant and he gets a touchdown. On the very next play, which actually got is a thousandth career reception, So congratulations to Vante Is. He has something to celebrate. But again he's tearing the team apart. In the postgame, oh.

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Speaker 1: No, so yes, Stafford finishes with just one hundred and thirty yards, but yeah, avoids the big turnover and shout out to Sean McVay. It happened so long ago. You mentioned. This has been a long day, but his fourth down religion that he has found early in this game made a huge difference. He is aggressive as hell. It's helping him out. Great win by the Rams. Let's go to the other big game in the late window. Let's go to Denver.

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Speaker 5: This ball be spotted right between the hash marks at the twenty five an attempt of thirty five yards against Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: I won't even mention it. Snap placement, kick all.

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Speaker 1: The way and he is good.

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Speaker 5: They don't put this one last year in Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: The Denver cl goes he had beaten the Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: Chief by a final score of twenty two to nineteen. You can mention it Patrick after it goes out of the upright Will Lutz from thirty five yards out after a couple of clutch I'll say it bow knicks fourth quarter throws. The one that set up the game winner was thirty two yards to Troy Franklin on second and eight to the opposite shoulder where where Justin Watson wasn't expecting it. But earlier on the drive he hits Courtland Sutton on a third and five. He hits Courtland Sutton on a twenty yard throw on third and fifteen. It's a tricky formula, these fourth quarter bow knicks like performances, but it keeps happening. They're nails in one score games and the Chiefs at five and five. All five games are by one score their losses.

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Speaker 3: And it's a total slip of the script from the twenty twenty four Denver Broncos who lost all of these one score games. We've seen them come back and make the where you wonder Coach Payton take the governor off of bow nicks prior to eight minutes to go in the ball game and see what things would look like.

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Speaker 2: But it was safe bow a safe offense.

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Speaker 3: Over the course of this game against the Kansas City Chiefs, where things got back and forth late Kansas City relying on a couple of big defensive pass interference calls on Riley Moss, who actually leads the.

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Speaker 4: NFL drew API yeah hitting.

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Speaker 3: And no Patrick Shtan in this one. And so you think, well, Riley Moss gets all those targets because their tan's on the field. No teams just love throwing at Riley Moss. But the team, the player that Patrick Mahomes loved throwing at the most in this game was Jakwan McMillan, who ultimately picked him off. He was targeted on twenty two percent of the plays where the Kansas City Chiefs passed the ball and there were only he gave up six receptions, but he made Patrick Mahomes pay on those. He actually got a huge not just an interception, got a sack late in the game that got the Denver Broncos the ball back all that possession where they go down and take the lead. And this was just a great game by a Denver defense to muddy it up. Have a rock fight, and I will take the Denver Broncos in a rock fight against almost anybody.

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Speaker 2: At this point.

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Speaker 6: Statistically, you should seven to two in one score games.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. And I think when the Chiefs got the ball back in a tie game late you're thinking, Okay, this is where they go down and they take the lead, and that's after the Kelsey go ahead touchdown earlier in the fourth quarter. And it didn't matter that the McMillan sack is the one that you mentioned, and he had one earlier in the game. He gets the game ball afterwards with those two sacks, and it's just these guys popping up on their defense that you don't see coming. And it is Nick. So you can tell me if I'm wrong, Patrick, But I thought it was a more consistent overall game in general. He played pretty well throughout the game. Their success rates way higher than the Chiefs in their passing, and it had Sean Payton feeling a certain way after the game.

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Speaker 9: But it's fine in those guys that can tune out the noise, and there's been a lot of noise, like a lot of just I won't comment on it, but anyway, and I hear some of the narratives and I just want to like cry, But anyway, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: That's your jobs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I hope somebody does their job because they're in the room laughing and the rest of us outside of Denver have no idea what.

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Speaker 1: The I think it's he is sad for bow Nicks. How much criticism he's getting. That's how I read that.

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Speaker 6: I want to know where he goes when he gives the thousand yards stare. If I ever got in that room to ask a question, that's probably what I would ask.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I would totally derail the rest of the beat.

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Speaker 3: When Bo was not pressured today it was twenty two of twenty nine for two hundred and seventy three yards, had a passer rating of one o four. All those numbers better than the very notable quarterback who plays on the other side of the field, Greg Rosenthal, I asked you prior to this game. Yeah, if Bo Nicks is able to go in get a win, essentially bury in fork the Kansas City Chiefs at this point in the division.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fork the division. Even then, I'm not gonna fork him just because you never know. But they are three losses back and have a bad division record.

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Speaker 3: Okay, does Bonnicks go up in my glorious spreadsheet and become a part of the conversation here in twenty twenty five? Can I award him? Points are you refusing to allow Bonnicks to participate.

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Speaker 4: In this, and be careful what you say because you might make Sean Payton cry.

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting him in the conversation. You gotta trust your eyeballs. I know that the quarterback of the number one seed, which right now they are almost always gets MVP votes, but now you have five. Like, if he keeps this up, some people will give him like a fifth place vote or something. But we got a long way to go. I'm not ready to put him in the conversation. But you know what he's doing is he's kind of setting the groundwork that if he does suddenly catch fire down down the stretch, you never know. The Chiefs on the other side, Jordan, like, I still do believe that the bones of this team are better than the team from a year ago. And yet they are five and five with the Colts coming into town next week, and man, their margin for error is brutal, and it's out of their hands now. They are likely to be on the road for three straight weeks if they want to make the Super Bowl, assuming they make the playoffs, and assuming the Broncos and the Chargers both don't collapse, which you never know.

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Speaker 6: One thing lou Anarumo can do to that point of who's coming to play them next is he can mix his coverages and send pressure in different ways the same way that Manage Joseph did. Today the Broncos blitzed. And I've used this phrase multiple times tonight. Let's the poop out of Pat Mahomes fourteen times second pressures on those fourteen blitzes. And he may have loved throwing at Jaquon McMillan, but Jaquan McMillan sure loved hitting Pat Mahomes because two of the three sacks he took against the blitz were from McMillan. And so I think that is copyable by a defense such as lou An Arumos that's using first of all, has more personnel now, especially with the big trade that they just made, and also can mix those coverages behind the blitz the way that could be successful and could muddy things up for not just Patrick Mahomes, who can see anything and everything, but specifically for the receivers trying to find contours within all that muck, and.

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Speaker 3: The receiver that the only receiver that he trusts to find contours at this point is still Travis kelcey and this is with everyone back, and you would like to see Rashi Rice make a contested catch like he had a chance to do. You get one from Tae Kwon Thornton, but like Taekwon Thornton, only that's the only thing Tawk Kwan Thornton is doing right leading the NFL in yards per catch.

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Speaker 1: One for sixty one.

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Speaker 3: It was a big sixty one, But that does not an offense make like it's hard to sustain like any level of success when you rely on that. So it's all Travis kelce and this group that has so much talent, and when they're moving around and the play calls are successful and defenses aren't standing there and waiting on them to come through their area, they look great right now, It's tough to have confidence in it considering this is multiple games a row with a bye week in between, where.

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Speaker 2: It's looked very similar against two different teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned like getting other guys involved there. You know, Rasi Rice and Xavier Worthy combined for sixty three yards on fourteen targets, and the running game was was fine like on a per run basis, but they just don't stick with it and mahomes in the passing game, I think to be real his MVP chances, which I feel like looking forward was we're pretty high going into this week to finally get it. Well, they've taken a hit. They've taken a hit.

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Speaker 2: It was tough with the buye because he got no points for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives him more points with the chance because points do escalate, but this is back to back weeks with no points.

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Speaker 1: In the conversation, yeah, they just have a lot of ground to make up, and I don't think enough can be said about the job vance Joseph is doing. Like because it's not just the names. You know, Zach Allen had a big play late, but it's justin Streanad. It's Robinson, Quinarius Robinson who was not over familiar with, like making a lot of plays. He goes playing a lot of snaps and then Uzerique a defensive end for them, also like making noise. It's just it's a team that's greater than the sum of their parts. And that is a credit to this coaching staff who is great at everything except for avoiding the refs. If you're watching us on YouTube, I do just have to point out that that play where Sean Payton is running down the sideline and absolutely decks the referee. They both go down, and then the ref with the amazing move. He's not even gonna look back at Sean Payton before he throws the flag. He's just gonna throw the flag. I don't even think about you, Sean Payton. Bad job by the get back coach there on that play.

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Speaker 4: I don't think about you at all, you.

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Speaker 1: Know who I do think about a lot. And it really has set up the end of this season to be extra special. The Titans of the AFC over the last five years, all trying to get back in the mix, the Chiefs trying to get into the playoffs. We know, the Ravens are now streaking, and the Buffalo Bills trying to stay in touch in the AFC East.

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Speaker 11: Three receivers to the left, Cook to the right of Allen, and the shotgun. Here on second and four, Allen back to pass, now gonna tuck it and run as he's looking for the end zone, and the searge pushes him in for his six touchdown of the game. He is a beast with a Capitol beat. He is a scoring machine.

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Speaker 1: He is a fantasy dynamo, and when you need a win from the Buffalo Bills, you need to take a part a defense that I thought was balanced enough and primed to slow down this one dimensional Bills offense. Josh Allen is the man that you want, one of the only guys to ever do it. In fact, I think is he the only guy to ever go three passing touchdowns, three rushing udowns and he's dot it two different times. It's incredible. That's Chris Brown. By the way, on WGR they put a forty burger on my guy. Todd Bowles end up winning going away forty four already two Patrick, we both thought the Buccaneers could win this game, and we were very wrong.

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Speaker 3: Why were we wrong, Well, what we thought was going to happen was how the game started. Because the Buccaneers get a nice drive, they do get some yards, they established the run very early, and Mecha Buk got a nice game on a screen set up. They didn't necessarily get points, but they got a great punt to pin the Buffalo Bills down at the three yard line.

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Speaker 2: So first two.

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Speaker 3: Snaps of the game, Gabe Davis and Josh Palmer run mash.

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Speaker 2: They run into each other, ball hits the ground incomplete.

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Speaker 3: Very next play, the Bucks blitz from depth and Savassier Dennis nobody picks him up. Josh Allen has Savassier Dennis pulling him down inside the end zone, decides he's going to throw a two hand push pass that gets picked off by Jacob Parrish and the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: Get the ball.

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Speaker 3: They only get a field goal, though the Bucks had like instant impact though for Mikole Hartman. On the ensuing kickoff, he gets a sixty four yard return leading to a score. It devolves into a score fest towards the end where both teams are going back and forth, but the Bills keep hitting these big play punches. And we saw it with Travon Henderson against the Bucks a week ago, where the Bucks were doing this bend and break defense, but it was more break than not because James Cook had a twenty five yard reception excuse. Ty Johnson had a huge catch and run towards the end of the first half. And there's this up in the play call up in the booth, where you know Joe Brady obviously goes through a lot when things don't go well for Buffalo. He lists the Lexan the crystallized cover over the button and he mashes the seventeen button.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that was it.

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Speaker 3: Like essentially, it was just all Josh Allen and the Buccaneers defense having to adjust. Like what happened when Josh Allen rolls, like everything is looking it's focused on seventeen and when it was at seventeen there was big space for other guys to make play and.

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Speaker 2: Then he's running over people.

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Speaker 3: He just does it all and my whole thinking is it's very tough to sustain that. Yeah, it's tough, but he goes out and does it to the extent that what else?

00:24:11
Speaker 2: What else are you supposed to do?

00:24:12
Speaker 1: These are the performances that you often see late in the season. This happened early, like even when in their first playoff run, it's like they started pressing that button, especially with him running late in the season and then they really took off. So like this late in the season is starting a little earlier this year and you're seeing plays like this Throw of the Year nominee.

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Speaker 11: It's an empty set play clock down to two alan in the shotgun one and there's the snap back to pass looking left, Pumps pulls to his right, the pocket collapsing, comes back to his left. He's it down the left sideline for Shavers in the end zone for a touchdown. A broken play goes for six forty.

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Speaker 4: Three yards, Like, what do you do against that?

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Speaker 10: That's the Josh Allen that we've come to know in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: It really was that. That's his old teammate, right, Eric would on the call. The funny thing is a broken play, but Josh is the one that broke it, Like it was a three man rush with no pressure at all, and he just starts running around and he makes something that's true.

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Speaker 4: That's true, good mode. I destroyed my own creation.

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Speaker 3: Which is the problem with the three man rush against the Bills, where now you've got eleven guys watching number seventeen and it's like, oh god, what's he going to do?

00:25:24
Speaker 2: Oh God, what's he going to do? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I have to cover Tyrol Shavers of all people, where it's you've got Tyrrel Shavers and Gabe Davis and Mikole Hartman, like that's the group of people and they damned your score fifty points.

00:25:36
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is the Bucks lost this game when they run for two hundred and two yards. The success soright tight. Now, they did get stuff behind the line of scrimmage a lot in this game too, So they're a little bit of a boomer bust running game. But if you had told me, you know, they run for two hundred and two yards. Sean Tucker is breaking tackles, he goes over one hundred. He played really well. They have to take Keon Coleman out of the game before it even starts because he was late to a team meeting and he's inactive and he's he's getting kind of the business from his teammates. After the game, Dion Dawkins said that his own teammate is on the hot seat. I never heard of that one before, saying that he needs to grow up. And yet the Bills go out there and they have a great performance. And on the flip side, the Bucks they're just not coming out. I know early in the season they were getting They've had a very tough schedule and they've been coming out. They're injured still, they are still injured, but they're health They're pretty healthy up front in terms of their offensive line.

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Speaker 6: Because of the way that they're running the ball, Like that's the thing. If you take out Josh Allen god mode of this game. And I know you can't extrapolate that the results are the results, but I still think this Bucks team is going to be fine. You do need cleaner play from Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield did not do himself many favors ahead of this week's Quarterback Island, and certainly, as Patrick noted when he came in, certainly no favors in the conversation.

00:26:55
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a zero for and Greg wants Baker out, wanted Baker in.

00:27:01
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to quit him.

00:27:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the first.

00:27:03
Speaker 1: Has he been one of the is there even any are.

00:27:05
Speaker 4: You literally forgetting the entire first part of the season.

00:27:08
Speaker 2: But even Greg agree that it doesn't matter.

00:27:11
Speaker 1: It does matter, But I don't think anyone is making an argument that he's a top like seven quarterback in the NFL right now.

00:27:17
Speaker 3: Like so far this season, and considering the opportunity where this Bill's secondary has struggled against players the caliber of a Mecca Buca, there really wasn't that opportunity today. He got non targets, only caught five of them for forty yards. He did have a drop in there, but there were also some uncatchable balls thrown in rough situations where Baker only threw FO one hundred and seventy three yards in a game where they score thirty.

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Speaker 1: Two points, and ultimately you're talking about when they're going back and forth in the second half, But the reason the Bucks end up losing by two scores is right when that starts, he throws a big groaner of an interception. And he just needs to play at an MVP level, I think, with what's been around like, he would need to be at this level for them to be where they want to be. So they fall to six, and although you know they're still ahead in the divisions, it's getting the game. It's getting a little closer. The Bills stay, you know, in distance there with the Patriots. They're up to seven and three. Let's take a break. We got some other big leverage games in terms of playoff positioning.

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Speaker 12: Still to go.

00:28:22
Speaker 13: Playoffs seventeen sixteen. This for the win here at US Bank Stadium.

00:28:33
Speaker 14: Daily on the ball out of the hold of Tory Taylor Wright hash light angle left from forty nine Cairo Santos the eight on his white jersey, awaiting a snap snap his back hold. His good sweeps the right leg. Cairo Santos is up.

00:28:48
Speaker 11: He's God, God God.

00:28:51
Speaker 1: From forty eight.

00:28:53
Speaker 14: Cairo Santos bob hung the Viking logo, Bears with it nineteen seventy Another comeback drive by Kayleb Williams.

00:29:03
Speaker 1: The Iceman coming to the Bears, kicking from the luggage. Oh, great call there by Jeff Joniak on w MBP. Bears win nineteen seventeen and a game that they didn't think they were gonna have to sweat out like that. I love Paul Allen so much. I kind of wanted to lead with a sad Paul Allen, but you know what, that was a great call and is a great moment in recent Bears history. I know you've had a little season pop up here or there, but you've got a young quarterback, you've got a first year head coach, and you just beat the Minnesota Vikings to go seven and three. When the Bears lost that Week one game, I remember saying in the post game with Chookie that felt like an organizational type of win for the Vikings, Like they didn't really deserve to win that game, but just like everything's so buttoned up there. They've been in their program for four years the are just starting out that they just like found a way to win. That's what good organizations, good quote unquote cultures do, And I kind of felt that way, like the flip side here, that not that the organizations are at a different spot, but that the Bears are cleaner. They should have won this game. They avoided their the big mistakes on offense, and even though their defense has a long way to go, they ultimately like had the formula and were the more mature team and they deserve this split of the Minnesota Vikings to fall to four and six?

00:30:33
Speaker 4: Like, do you know what I love about this?

00:30:35
Speaker 6: And it's the last couple of games, and certainly these these comebacks and these late wins by the Bears so far this season is in the late moments of these.

00:30:44
Speaker 4: Games in crunch time.

00:30:46
Speaker 6: No longer are we fully thinking, oh my god, what creative way are they going.

00:30:52
Speaker 1: To lose them?

00:30:53
Speaker 6: What horrible thing is about to happen to this football team, because we saw the range of possibilities last season and certainly in the cursed years prior to that.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: Right, this is different.

00:31:05
Speaker 6: This is that feeling where you see your offense take over again and have a chance to win a football game and you have that feeling of possibility and of hope. And I am so happy for Bears fans because that is so hard to first of all do, but also to quantify. And it's not mathematical, it just is right. And they've been missing that it factor and they have it now and it's beautiful really to watch this takeover that fan base in that team.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: And I want to give Caleb Williams credit, I think for avoiding big mistakes here. He was really great in this game avoiding sacks. There was a play where Roma Dunze, you know, sprints to get a fumble on a play that they lost fifteen yards, but it was a great hustle play. It was like one of the best fumble recoveries of the season, certainly maybe the best. And then Caleb Rips won for twenty three yards over the middle, and he had some high level throws like that, but ultimately like they did move the ball well on offense, he only completes half his passes for one hundred and ninety three yards. And that game winning drive that they're given him credit for, it was from their kick returner, you know, it was Devin Duverne. Setting that up. Caleb Williams didn't have to throw a single pass. They just ran it three straight times. But that's what I like. It's been different parts of the team stepping up, because Jordan was saying, like, you're thinking of different catastrophic ways they could lose this game. If they lost this game, it would have been catastrophic considering the situation that they were in sixteen to three heading into the fourth quarter before JJ McCarthy after a brutal performance doesn't do a lot in the fourth quarter, but does do enough on a drive that took the lead late.

00:32:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the run game. They kind of got them back.

00:32:43
Speaker 3: There was the Jordan Mason touchdown before the JJ McCarthy touchdown to Jordan Addison that gave them the lead. But the Bears kind of, as you pointed out, avoiding the mistakes where this was a you know, to say, I gotta have a game. You know, Brian Flores is going to be aggressive on defense. Caleb Williams got blitzed on. He had thirty six drop backs and got blitzed on twenty four of them. It was the second highest blitz rate by any defense in a game this season, and so you know, dealing with that level of pressure in a close game and managing to take care of the ball because the Bears offense can be kind of haphazard, Like a lot of it is Caleb spinning around, breaking six tackles and spitting and making like dangerous throws down the sideline to like avoid those mistakes while still playing in that in that Bear's way. I know there wasn't a lot of statistical success, but I think we can take something away.

00:33:37
Speaker 1: I agree any he had a big throat a lovelin at one point there. They were really good when they needed to be situationally running the ball in short yard situations. Manunguy's stats look horrible, but he actually had a lot of successful short yard drunk That dude is an awesome scron yard dude. DeAndre Swift with with some gate some good play too on defense. Soough they were just helped out by JJ McCarthy having a tough one for most of the game.

00:34:02
Speaker 6: I don't tend to laugh, but I'm just remembering. So Greg and I sit next to each other as we watch these games, and mostly Patrick's with us. But then Patrick has to go do live TV for a big block and the and Greg is a three and a half hours Yeah, Greg is watching this game, and every once in a while I'll just hear him go oh JJ.

00:34:20
Speaker 1: I mean there was a hilarious Fox moment where they started showing how much he was struggling and having Brady explain it. This was maybe Tom Brady's best game I've ever heard him call. He is getting better and better, just like literally explaining things and he knows things. I appreciate it. And he was trying to explain on some of the misses. One of them was on our with Todi Nominee, which was early in the game. JJ McCarthy's miss to Jordan Addison and yet Tom Brady's watching this one. He's like, yeah, yeah, I don't know what to say about this one. And then they show another one and he was just like, yeah, I don't know on this one. And then the third one he's like, well, I guess this one needs a little more touch. He was just trying to find something and JJ McCarthy ultimately is just like missing throws. A lot of the times, it's just timing and or accuracy, but like like things are are not close, it's tough to tell even what receivers.

00:35:12
Speaker 2: I can't I can't tell it was we're supposed.

00:35:13
Speaker 1: To be to Addison, let's actually listen to McCarthy talking after the game.

00:35:18
Speaker 15: Absolutely sucks, gut wrenching loss for us. You know, got to give credit to our opponent. They had a great game plan. They played really well in all three phases. And I need to do a better job of my decision making. The accuracy it needs to change. I need to be better and overall executional offense. I need to be better on just you know, doing my job at a higher level.

00:35:38
Speaker 2: So I'll open it up to any.

00:35:39
Speaker 12: Questions, JJ, why do you think your accuracy.

00:35:41
Speaker 1: Is so offering?

00:35:44
Speaker 2: Things?

00:35:45
Speaker 15: Just growing At the end of the day, you know, there's a lot of things that I have to improve on, and accuracy is one of them. And I promise you I'm going to wake up tomorrow and get ready to go to get working on that.

00:35:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, under some pressure in the game, a lot of those throws from clean pockets. I can't think of a more pressure situation than like, hey man, why do you spraying the ball all over the field? Minutes after he came in. Didn't even give him a question, and he's just like, hey, guys, yeah, I played bad, and then the first question is why did you play so bad?

00:36:16
Speaker 6: Like woo, he was only under pressure on twenty one point ninety percent drop backs, Guys, like whoa.

00:36:22
Speaker 1: That was the takeaway for me. Where the conditions where I ideal, the receivers were open, the protection protection was great. And I always repeat myself that, like the first the thing you have to pass first to be an NFL quarterback is like, if the protection is good, can you look good? Because that's like that's the bar, Like a good backup at at least is doing that like Blake Bortles if the protection was good was like maybe maybe, maybe not, you know what I mean? Like that, that's the bar, like it you have to make those plays work, and he didn't. It was chaotic. He was a negative fifteen in terms of completion percentage under expected, and yet he did do kind of the JJ McCarthy thing where they needed a touchdown drive at the end of the game, and then he did make some good throws.

00:37:09
Speaker 5: First intent from the Bears fifteen Addison in motion to the left, takes a snap.

00:37:14
Speaker 2: Now a four man rush McCarthy to the end zone.

00:37:22
Speaker 1: Person justinn at.

00:37:25
Speaker 5: Your time they were tied Cat sixteen. JJ McCarthy done.

00:37:35
Speaker 1: I had a feeling that would be a rousing one because, yeah, you just did not feel like the Vikings were going to come back in that game. And now it's it's gonna be one of them. We'll talk about it during the week, but it's gonna be one of the more challenging weeks. I think of the koc Era then falling to four and six and feeling quite out of this division race.

00:37:52
Speaker 2: But I mean the positives that you can take.

00:37:55
Speaker 3: They're in the game, they cover the kick better, they have a chance to win, and the protection was good for JAJ McCarthy and the receivers were open. There's a path for it to improve. I just got to go out there and do it well.

00:38:08
Speaker 1: Said. Let's go to Jacksonville, where the most messy fun team in the league was kind of losing the NFL daily support over the last not for me.

00:38:19
Speaker 16: Let's listen six cheats play on the drive hundred center as Trevor fake to talk.

00:38:26
Speaker 1: They told to the back of the handle, good for the touchdown, but quite.

00:38:30
Speaker 14: Think Tim Paftrick in the back of the handle the one yard touchdown pass.

00:38:34
Speaker 1: They even extended the lead. How good is that? It was great? Everything about the Jaguars was great. A completely dominant effort by the Jaguars defense helps them win thirty five to six Jordan, in a game where our friend Aaron Shots of FTN noted there was more playoff leverage in this game than any game all season long. The Jaguars, now with the win, you know, have a better than fifty to fifty chance to make the playoffs. If they had loss, they were buried under twenty percent. Meanwhile, like the Chargers, it's a loss that hurts them and they happily get to their bye week.

00:39:14
Speaker 6: Streets are saying, Liam Cohen owns, Jesse Minter. You know that Tim Patrick touchdown capped one of the most impressive Jacksonville Jaguars drives I have seen in literally years. Sixteen plays, nine minutes and eighteen seconds, a touchdown spanning between the third and the fourth quarters, and that put the Jaguars up twenty eight to six. This offense ran the hell out of the ball all game behind Baseiel Tutan, who did leave with an ankle injury there's no update on that yet, and Travis Etn. They both combined together specifically for one hundred and forty seven yards, three touchdowns, and force thirteen misstackles by this Chargers defense the entire game. The Jaguars finished with one hundred and ninety two net rushing yards and the Chargers could barely get the ball back, let alone put together an things sustainable on offense. By the time Trey Lance took over, with about ten minutes left in the game, the Jaguars up thirty five to six. The Chargers had four net yards of second half offense one hundred and four net yards total, and Jacksonville had had thirty minutes over thirty minutes of possession to that point.

00:40:21
Speaker 1: It's crazy. This was the third worst offensive performance by any team in the NFL this year, according to Shilcopatia. That's EPBA per play one hundred and thirty five yards overall. That's bottom five just in terms of total yard It's a surprise because the Jaguars past us hasn't been great lately. Let's listen to certainly their best player having a big moment third down and ten.

00:40:45
Speaker 16: Jags have six defensive aces in the game.

00:40:47
Speaker 2: They got that extra safety and Rayon Lane in the game.

00:40:50
Speaker 16: Shotgun dropping is Justin Herber four man rush, scrambles away, he gets.

00:40:56
Speaker 8: Hit, He's gonna get sacked.

00:40:58
Speaker 1: Josh HAIs Allen got up.

00:40:59
Speaker 14: Thirds back of the day for Jacksonville, back at the twenty eight yard line.

00:41:03
Speaker 5: Now, after that sack, Josh just set the franchise career record for sacks.

00:41:09
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Josh Pine Palace. Oh, very cool. An unsung hero for many years, and I know this year has been frustrated for him because he has been near the top of the league in pressure rate and doesn't have many sacks to show for it. And he gets it in a day. They were just dominant. Like what did this look like from the Jaguars defense?

00:41:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was cool. So having Devin Lloyd back was so crucial for them. You could just tell that everybody feels more comfortable and more aggressive. Anthony Campanelli, the defensive coordinator, can can call more things, can be a little bit mix things up a little bit more in terms of what he wants to do with this pressure. They made splash plays in bunches. Josh heinz Allen. You showed the sack that he had just now he got to Justin Herbert twice once on a first down and then on the third and long they had their they got their hands on the ball.

00:41:55
Speaker 4: It was really fortuitous for.

00:41:56
Speaker 6: Jacksonville in for guys like Trailon and all over this defense who had a great game that they were going up against one of the more depleted and just questionable offensive lines in the NFL. Trevor Penning started at left tackle. He got benched after that second that franchise record setting play that heinz Allen made after giving up five pressures in a sack. And then they put in Austin deculs.

00:42:25
Speaker 4: Declass at left tackle.

00:42:28
Speaker 6: You know, it just was And then at that point Justin Herbert started to press He threw one of the most non Justin Herberty interceptions you will ever see because he just he started trying to go into hero ball mode and he had no protection. I don't think I've ever seen a left tackle a team just traded for benched that quickly in a game. It was it was not good because it was it wasn't just and it and he and it was isoed too. He was single one on one against the pass rush, and it wasn't just that the pressures that he allowed were just like, oh, pressures you know one dropbacks.

00:43:01
Speaker 4: They were not only were they.

00:43:02
Speaker 6: Quick pressures, but they were bad pressures where he was getting pushed all the.

00:43:06
Speaker 4: Way backward into Justin Herbert.

00:43:08
Speaker 6: I mean, it was so confounding to me, with all the massive human beings that they have as chippers on this offense, why it was so iso for Trevor Penning and then he just got yanked, like they just pulled him.

00:43:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, and perhaps it's you know, feeling yourself a little a little too much where they make the odafe O way trade and it works out, and they go into last week where I didn't pick the Chargers because I'm thinking, oh, they're relying on Trevor Pinning.

00:43:35
Speaker 2: That can't be good.

00:43:36
Speaker 3: And he doesn't play us now in his first game with the Chargers, and I'm thinking, okay, so they don't need Trevor Pinning. Then I look up and they're playing horrible. I'm asking George, like, is that Trevor Pinning. She's like, yeah, he just got back.

00:43:47
Speaker 4: I said not anymore.

00:43:48
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell because I was sitting next to Jordan, as we've established, and there was a lot of oh, Trevor, but it actually was both Trevor scept for a little while and you were like Trevor and I just didn't know. There was not a great game.

00:43:59
Speaker 6: For now, not a good Trevor day, good like it was. Trevor Lawrence is at times infuriating to watch. I'll just say that, like I've been, I've been on this rock for a while, but it is. He made his dumb mistakes early, which really helped out the Jaguars because they completely dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides awesome, and that is what made the difference in this game. And he just sort of like just let go behind him honestly, Like I don't want to call him a game manager. He made some nice throws, but like he really he really just let the game go honestly, after making a couple of mistakes early, like the worst outbreaking throw I've ever freaking seen in my entire life that was too slow and thrown to the defenders inside leverage versus outside shoulder of the of the guy running the route, and Dante Jackson picks it off and at that point I'm like, are you kidding me right now? Like that seriously, and it was this it was a slow throw, put some juice on it. Man, like JJ McCarthy at least has ripping these these passes, you know, and I.

00:45:01
Speaker 3: Think it's resulted in Liam Cohen. You know, they did run the ball great. The most routes ram was Parker Washington ran twenty routes today.

00:45:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's special.

00:45:09
Speaker 3: Like that's it in terms of the Jacksonville Jacks passing offense, like Trevor has twenty two attempts where the you know, he had the straight tebow power rushing touchdown, but like it's kind of got hidden by.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: Cohen in the offense in this game where they they scored thirty five.

00:45:28
Speaker 1: This was this was a bad result I think for the Chiefs and the Steelers Slash Ravens and the teams that are trying to sneak into the back half of the playoffs. Because the Jaguars schedule one of the reasons their percentage to make the playoffs it's so high even though they're not great, is like it's it's pretty favorable down the stretch. So to get a win like this, by the way, since they fell down, I think it was twenty seven nothing in the playoff game in Jacksonville, they have outscored the Chargers I know that was a long time ago, and many coaches ago sixty six to nine. That's what you deserve when you play Trevor Petty left tackle. He wasn't. You don't think the Saints would have played him there if they could have. I mean, he was struggling at guard. All right, Let's go to uh met life for a fun one in the shotgun. Winston looks it over. Here's the snap. Winston shuts throws left side of the end. Soon shot dad shut that by the killed.

00:46:20
Speaker 5: Oh, Evan Williams the levers in the left corner of the ends and the Packers.

00:46:27
Speaker 1: To lover the dagger. Oh, it's the dagger. But it wasn't exactly the dagger because they did get the ball back for one last play where Micah Parsons gets a strip sack on Jamis Winston. A thrilling and I would say to a well played football game, they got the fired coach bounce. I thought Mike Kafka had a good game. They were up for the challenge. This thing was back and forth, but the Packers win twenty seven to twenty. And I know there will be a lot of complaining about why do the Packers play with their food. The Giants had a lot of low percentage plays, especially passing the ball that they hit, and I want to give Jordan Love credit. First of all, this was one of the best games of his career, which is crazy because at the end of the game I looked and it was one hundred and seventy four yards and it's one of those you gotta watch it because because he had six or seven incredible plays. They only had seven possessions in this game, so putting up four touchdowns in seven possessions is excellent. His air yards was over twelve and a half. A lot of his throws were tight window throws where he almost was passing up on those short throws that might have been available, but he hit him down the field. There were a number of drops that went against him. Josh Jacobs got hurt early in this game did not return after halftime. They did not run the ball particularly well, and I thought Love was really up for the challenge with great plays. Let's actually watch one of them to one of two Christian Watson touchdowns, and they both were great plays by the receivers.

00:47:57
Speaker 16: Green Bank treading guy one gun snapped the Lovey bobble for a moment option right side of.

00:48:02
Speaker 14: The end soun site to catch Christian Watson mile mile mile.

00:48:12
Speaker 11: Same they beat Corey Black and Christian Watson used.

00:48:17
Speaker 8: Every bit of his six four frame to go.

00:48:19
Speaker 1: Up and grab that one. Y know, Christian Watson is he is the difference, Like he makes such a difference because we were watching the Malik Willis drive justin uh, rather Jordan Love gets hurt early in this game, has to get an injury checked out for a drive in. Malik Willis plays incredible and Christian Watson makes maybe an even better catch on the Malik Willis touchdown throw which is also so a great catch. So Watson has made a huge difference since returning.

00:48:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Malik Willis roll into his right and you're not sure, like who's he gonna throw the ball to. He fires a missile at Christian Watson comes who comes back a little bit to make that grab, and you see like a couple of flashes there of roster construction on the way that it works where they're able to get Christian Watson. He comes back from the ACL injury, looks great in his first game back, where normally, like you worry about a guy in this situation, like, he's not. I'm sure he'll tell you right, he's not one hundred percent there because it's kind of physically impossible to be at this point while playing tackle football. But he's he's able to make these plays, and to have a quarterback like Malik Willis, who Matt Lafleur trusts, I think he might like calling plays a.

00:49:31
Speaker 1: Little bit more. They ran the ball incredibly in the one Malik Willis drive, including a third and long run by Malik Willis which was a design run. Like he started breaking out the good stuff right away, and I started thinking, oh man, this is going to be rough for the conversation, but then responded.

00:49:46
Speaker 6: Phil, Mom and Dad, lick your bottle back up with water and put the cap on really tight.

00:49:51
Speaker 4: Put it back so nobody ever knows. Put the good stuff away again, you know.

00:49:56
Speaker 1: And if Josh Jacobs is out for a while, like, we'll see, because that is a dude that plays through injuries, I think as much as anyone. And he returned from this injury at first wasn't quite the same when it was Emmanuel Wilson out there. But yeah, well before we go to the giant side, there was also a great Jordan Love throw to saveon Williams that I did want to highlight too. I don't know if it's a Throw of the Year nominee or anything like that, but if you're watching it again, it was on that touchdown drive late. He had all the time in the world Jordan Love, and he just does what Jordan Love does well while under total pressure, throws it in the bucket. He is a fun dude to.

00:50:29
Speaker 2: Watch when you put the Jordan Love real on.

00:50:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of these throws that he makes are all fade aways. Yeah, Like he's not stepping into any of them, and it almost feels like like you can see Jordan Love in his body language before he does this, so he's like watch this, and he throws this leaning back ball where I think one of those other touchdowns was a fade away as well.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. Michael Parsons in this game has seven quick pressures, nine pressures overall, two sacks, four total quarterback hits. He was awesome, But Jamis played really well. They got rid of the ball pretty quickly. The offensive line, I thought for the Giants played well and kind of won that battle for the most part. They ran hard. He just gave them a chance. It's why I don't kill the Packers too much, because a lot of these plays were like tough screens where they evade a lot of tacklers, maybe they could have tackled better, or like third window throws to Jamis Winston. The one thing I would, you know, go against the Packers defense was they got to catch the interceptions that Jamis tries to throw them, which did happen a couple times.

00:51:27
Speaker 4: I don't, I just don't.

00:51:28
Speaker 6: I also don't think people understand quite how difficult it is to go against a play caller who you've basically have no tape on, Like a little bit sure, and then maybe like some intel from the Senior Bowl or something that he that Keofka.

00:51:41
Speaker 4: Coached, But yeah, it is so difficult.

00:51:44
Speaker 6: It is such a tendency breaker, but for your entire game plan. So I am not surprised to see them struggle a little bit. I think that's an outlier after we've seen this defense improve significantly and obviously they're deploying parsons the way that they should be, and it's incredible to watch he he the place he made today is the reason, especially late in the game, is the reason you go out and trade for a guy.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: Absolutely, especially on a day where they couldn't stop the run very well. I did think Kafka provided a little bit of a bump. It all seemed a little more cohesive, especially the run was good.

00:52:13
Speaker 4: But pretty closely was.

00:52:15
Speaker 3: On the late GDL today with Mark Ross, who, of course you know, was was a part of those Giants teams that won Super Bowl, so he's very familiar with the team and instantly when he saw that Jamis interception, he's like, that's why Jalen Hyatt doesn't play a lot of football.

00:52:29
Speaker 1: Yep.

00:52:29
Speaker 3: And that's probably an indictment of you know, coach Kafka figured things out.

00:52:34
Speaker 2: But also the injuries to Darius Slayton.

00:52:36
Speaker 3: I think like Wandell left for a couple of plays in this game where really the options were very limited for the Giants. Like I imagine if Darius Slayton is in that position of Jalen Hyatt, we maybe having a different conversation.

00:52:49
Speaker 1: The leading receiver every key third down conversion was by Isaiah Hodgens, who has been buried on the Depth Star all season. But I'm glad you pointed it out because justice for Jamis. That was totally Hyatt heaving up on a route was totally befuddling because he was supposed to go to the outside there. But it was kind of ironic because Jamis did throw two or three into the Packers chest earlier, so he got caught. Eventually. Let's go with the Packers winning that game, and it's staying, you know, very much in the mix in the NFC North in the NFC Wildcard to Atlanta, where the Panthers are trying to stay alive.

00:53:24
Speaker 2: Jung the staff has time rose to Tremble makes the catch of the.

00:53:27
Speaker 10: Thirty five sticked off forty has ruled.

00:53:30
Speaker 17: There goes Tommy down the right side on across midfield.

00:53:32
Speaker 2: He's got the thirty, the twenty Tommy Tremble.

00:53:36
Speaker 3: Tommy Tremble with the thunder all the way to the sixteen yard line.

00:53:44
Speaker 1: Oh and you got a name like Tommy Tremble. You bring the thunder fifty three yards in overtime. The Panthers win thirty to twenty seven. That was any shrof on w r F X Bryce Young on a day where they couldn't run the ball at all. Patrick He finishes with four hundred and forty eight yards three touchdowns, and yes, gets the ball to tremble there to set up the game winning field goal.

00:54:14
Speaker 3: And it's a franchise recorded erases that Cam Newton Week two game against the Green Bay Packers in twenty eleven.

00:54:23
Speaker 2: It was rookie season, Cam.

00:54:24
Speaker 1: Second game of his career, four hundred and thirty two passing yards.

00:54:27
Speaker 3: Forget about all that Panthers fans, because Bryce did it. And actually we can look back at the game.

00:54:32
Speaker 4: One quarter of the side.

00:54:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can look back at the game, the thirty to zhering game as an aberration because now three of the last four times the Carolina Panthers have played the Atlanta Falcons, the game has gone too overtime. And it was just a crazy sequence in this game between a twenty five year old quarterback and a twenty four year old quarterback where the long term viability was both on the line Jordan according to our dear friend Greg Rosenthal, and they started off without having okay.

00:55:01
Speaker 1: Drugs whole rest of the season. But this is a big game setting that up in football, it was big whole rest of the season.

00:55:08
Speaker 2: There's give and take a big this was nice.

00:55:11
Speaker 3: So on one of the opening possessions, Panthers go for very aggressive Dave of Canalis throughout this game. Four from two, they get twenty one yards to get they later on get a tenor Roll McMillan touchdown. The Panthers were up early and then it was the twenty twenty five Falcons a drive that was exclusively Michael Pennock Junior to Drake London other than Bejon going in from four yards out. Later in the game, after it's tied seven to seven, Panthers get the ball and you see the bad Panthers offense where Bryce sees Billy Bowman indicating pressure early on in the play clock makes a check and I'm not sure what happened. Either the protection slid the wrong way or Bryce forgot about Billy Bowman. Either way, he hits Bryce and he leave the game. Andy Dalton comes in briefly. Bryce come back thankfully and goes on to have this legendary game. And then on the other side, Michael Pennock Jr. Leaves this game with a knee injury, and so you get Kirk Cousins and when Pennix leaves the game, the Falcons actually have the lead and they get like I think two first downs with Kirk Cousins at quarterback, and I said it as soon as Pennis.

00:56:20
Speaker 1: Went the whole rest of the game, Yeah.

00:56:23
Speaker 2: It was. It was a rough performance.

00:56:25
Speaker 3: If I'll give you the specific stats as to not, you know, be smirch the Atlanta Falcons in their offense.

00:56:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, the field goal drive that they had before the one that tied it up late was only a four to play five yard drive, So you had two field.

00:56:42
Speaker 2: Goals on five drives for Kirk Cousins.

00:56:45
Speaker 3: He's got no passing touchdowns on fifty two attempts and in coming in relief of Michael Pennock Junior, and the Panthers avoid those big mistakes. They're able to get the plays that they need. And the Falcons when they didn't get pressure on Bryce Young, he was pretty automatic in terms of the way this past game operated. Hit Laget on a big touchdown where you know the career viability of Bryce Young.

00:57:08
Speaker 2: Greg goes bout, I deserve it.

00:57:10
Speaker 1: I deserve it. I deserve it.

00:57:14
Speaker 6: I saw Greg was out here projecting him onto his next team.

00:57:18
Speaker 1: Tweet not we still got the rest of the season go, but this, Yeah, these are the type of games. And I saw a tweet that called Bryce Young selectively elite, which I thought was perfect because when you watch Bryce Young on the right day and the right throws like he looks incredible. But it's it hasn't been consistent enough this season. You mentioned, you know, Pennix left the game. Afterwards they said it was his left knee. It was a strange comment from Raheem Morris. He said he could have possibly gone back in, but also like it didn't look great, so they wanted to stick with Kirk Cousins. Uh there, and then Drake London who also went out in overtime. The Falcons got the ball first and they went three and out, but then London, you know, re had a reinjury and then they declared amount It's reportedly not serious according to Ian Rapaport, so that is some small good news for the Falcons. Who remember Jordan were once three and two this season with a prime time win over the Buffalo Bills, and it has been a nightmare since then, five straight losses.

00:58:23
Speaker 6: It feels like many many years ago that we were celebrating not just how awesome this Falcons team looked against the Bills, but just how complete of an attack on both sides of the ball. It looked like and you said it first of all when you said inconsistent, that is the Falcons, and they fluctuate. Their highs are getting lower and their lows are getting lower as well. And I think especially when you factor in injuries and then you hit on a two and you said the injury is not serious, well, that also describes this Falcons team. They're not serious to me, this is an unserious football team. You are not serious people.

00:59:00
Speaker 2: I mean Pennix left the game.

00:59:01
Speaker 3: He was thirteen to sixteen with one hundred and seventy five passing, facilitating in an offense that had scored twenty one points to that, and I think he stays in the game, goes to overtime anyway, with Kirk Cousins and the offense essentially doing nothing taking advantage of some Panthers mistakes where I this, this is a game where the quarterback gets hurt. Yeah, and like ten points combined, and the last three losses for the Atlanta Falcons where like I know, like horseshoes and hand grenades and all that, and you'd like to get some wins, but.

00:59:34
Speaker 1: Back to back overtime losses. But they were finding different types of wastelews. They also, you know, got blown out by the Dolphins and weren't particularly competitive with the forty nine ers. So it's like they're they're finding many different ways. And I yet have to watch it closer to know this, but they held Rico Daudo to a twenty five percent success rate at least the Panthers as a team, So it's almost like they were they were Darren Bryce to beat him and they didn't do it. And Bryce, look, he's cool under pressure and and he's a guy who like is going to deliver when asked, just like our friend Patrick Claybon. And I gotta think, like Patrick Claybon was making if you're watching our show on YouTube, this kind of motion, this kind of look, oh my gosh when Bryce Young hit that touchdown late in the game, and yes this is a Game Day live promo. Where can you describe it? Patrick, You're pointing at the camera and you're a little mischievous.

01:00:31
Speaker 3: I am I'm an awkward person. When I am taking I have no idea to do what to do with my hands, and the person stands there and they just keep clicking the button, and I'm.

01:00:40
Speaker 2: Like, what am I supposed to do and.

01:00:42
Speaker 4: So like I point collectively elite.

01:00:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the picture that they choose to go on the graphic. And like Steve Smith Senior is standing there all prim and proper, proper, Mark Ross, who is the most fashionable man in America, is adjusting, you know, the.

01:01:00
Speaker 2: The bottom of his shirt.

01:01:02
Speaker 3: And Rhett looks great, and for some reason, this goofy jerk is pointing at it.

01:01:06
Speaker 2: I love it both fingers.

01:01:07
Speaker 1: I love it every minute. And I'd like to imagine that that's the look that Patrick Gate when Bryce Young found Tetuoa McMillan late in the fourth quarter. Let's take a break by listening to this call and we'll be back on the other side with a little NFC West Magic.

01:01:25
Speaker 2: Fifteen on the clock, got third and goal from the twelve. Young looking around, looking you'll take off to the run. Now Crows two the end zone.

01:01:33
Speaker 1: McMillan left corner.

01:01:35
Speaker 14: MAT's the catch, touchdown, Carolina, touchdown, Carolina.

01:01:41
Speaker 2: First and goal from the four.

01:01:42
Speaker 12: Let him finish this drive back to back big plays from cmc under center, purty toss play to McCaffrey to the right side, cuts back left, leaves his way into the end zone. Not once, not twice, but thrice for McCaffrey touchdown forty nine ers.

01:02:00
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't heard Justin Allegri too often over the years. Must be a backup there on knbr and he's stepping up in a big spot. And so did the forty nine ers today, forty one to twenty two on a record setting day for Jacoby Brissett. Congratulations to Jacoby Brissett, who broke a real deal record that had stood for over thirty years. Jacoby Brissett completed more passes in an NFL football game than anyone has in any game ever, forty seven out of fifty seven for Brissett for four to fifty two. And yet they were not competitive for most of this game, really any of this game. A lot of good signs for the forty nine ers before we get to the Cardinals side of it. I think you heard it there in the call with CMC. It was almost like after they didn't use him a ton for one week, he had more juice. Just thought he ran with better aggression. And maybe it was the lanes were opening up, but I thought he was great today. I thought George Kittle had a little more juice than we've seen, certainly as a receiver six for sixty seven and Dragon Defenders on a couple first downs and then yeah, it was just great to see brock Party back in the mix. Don't think it was much different than him and Mac Jones. If anything, he got away with a couple turnover worthy plays. Oh it's just true. I was surprised. You know, you're making a look.

01:03:22
Speaker 4: You just couldn't wait.

01:03:23
Speaker 6: You could not wait to say that, You couldn't wait to say it. Wants a controversy so bad.

01:03:29
Speaker 1: I don't want a controversy.

01:03:30
Speaker 2: No, he just he loves Mac. I just don't understand what lost.

01:03:34
Speaker 1: Come go watch this one and you'll I was shocked it was this low, But I was like, I bet his grade in PFF is not that good for this game, and it was like fifty nine. It was significantly lower than you would have, you know, expected, and lower than but he played fine. They were wide open.

01:03:51
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, you can find ways to criticize people without tearing down other.

01:03:55
Speaker 1: People Greg comparison. It's the thief of joy, that's what they say.

01:03:58
Speaker 2: I mean.

01:03:59
Speaker 3: There's also the of getting the players in the right position. Yack in the checks at the line of scrimmage. Christian McCaffrey had one of his better days on the ground, facilitating the return of Ricky Pearsall who ran more routes than Christian McCaffrey. George Kittle ran more routes than Christian McCaffrey. So CMC who breaks an NFL record through ten weeks with touches, and I understand he was very involved in the game today, not involved to the extent that he has been. And so, as you pointed out, Greg, you take a little pressure in terms of the volume of carrying the football and getting hit by people that Christian has faced. Where I think the team looked a little better with Brock and they have all se.

01:04:41
Speaker 1: No question X too.

01:04:42
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not trying to say it was simpler. Mac Jones was pushing the ball. He should be applauded for that, but some.

01:04:48
Speaker 6: Of the more advanced checks and tags that they were getting into. You know, I didn't see this entire game, but I did see clips, some clips of it where you could tell that McCaffrey kit veteran players who are used to this office are more comfortable getting into those a little bit more complicated looks with Bruck Purdy because he's been there, he knows more levels to it.

01:05:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I was setting at was just kidding like this was a full team performance. Like their run game success has been so bad all season and it was over fifty percent today. They were consistent throughout the day. They hit their first twenty yard run of the season. I couldn't believe that they were the last team if you were curious to not have a twenty yard run. I mean, wow, they made it to week eleven. It was a CMC burst up the middle. And sometimes it is about the defense is taking advantage of mistakes. Because Jacoby had one bad interception one that wasn't as bad early, but the forty nine ers made plays on the ball, and Purdy gave the Cardinals a couple chances early in this game and they dropped both of those chances. And their defense in Arizona, to me, is worry time here for Jonathan Gannon because you go to Jacoby, but he's a defensive coach. Their defense is getting worse throughout the course of this season, and you can, you know, talk about the injuries and they didn't have Marvin Harrison Junior either on the offense has been like okay, like it's really not about the offense. Their defense really wasn't up for the fight today or last week. And it's getting worse and they're no longer losing those like close games. They're losing games where they're getting blown out in the division and are just so clearly fourth behind these other two pre grade teams.

01:06:26
Speaker 3: And it's worse as the season's gone on, to the extent where you know this this happens a few weeks ago. Maybe we feel different about the Arizona Cardinals, but we felt good about them where we thought like, hey, maybe the Seahawks figured out this whole run game thing, and it turns out maybe this was the Cardinals defense a little bit on the decline, where I know, like brockbying Back made everything better for the forty nine ers. But to have this game from Jacoby Brissett, and yeah he didn't play perfect, but considering like what they were up against in terms of what they needed to do to score the football is a great, great Jacoby game where he's a couple of drives and turnovers away from throwing.

01:07:06
Speaker 1: From Frank And I don't buy that it was all meaningless. I know it was pretty quickly, like twenty five to ten, but they were showing that they were going to move the ball the whole day. So if the defense had ever stood up just a little bit for them, the Cardinals defense, I think Jacob could have gotten him back in this game. Shout out to Drey McBride who was just getting in all sorts of fights and annoying people and penalties and goes over one hundred yards, but Michael Wilson goes fifteen for one p eighty five in this game. Shout out to the fantasy streamers out there that were bold enough to play.

01:07:38
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson got a chance to be the wide receiver one with no touchdowns, which was which will be a crazy, crazy stat line that is incredible.

01:07:46
Speaker 4: Order and balance has been restored.

01:07:48
Speaker 6: Yes, the NFC West, the forty nine ers are back, Yes, at least their offenses, and the Seahawks and the Rams are dominant.

01:07:56
Speaker 4: And then there's the Cardinals.

01:07:57
Speaker 1: And to close my gannon point, they had seventeen penalties today. That was the most of any team in the NFL since twenty nineteen, and they had them all I think in the first like forty six minutes of this game. They were like, basically the first three quarters of this game. They had seventeen penalties, So that does not speak well for the coaching. A good day for a couple teams battling at the bottom of the wildcard race, the Panthers and the forty nine ers, and they made it a whole lot harder for teams like the Vikings or really anyone else to try to sneak into that race. All right, let's go over to the AFC, where the Texans haven't given up on this season yet.

01:08:38
Speaker 8: Here's the spot, here's the chick, it's god.

01:08:42
Speaker 11: The Texans winning at the buzzar and they get back to five hundred, they drive down the field for the game winning field goal.

01:08:52
Speaker 1: Houston five and five. I love a call from Mark vandermir Kilt that provides a little context. Three out of four in terms of wins for the Houston Texans, these last two came with Davis Mills at quarterback. They win sixteen to thirteen. Jordan in a game that caused you to groan a lot, sure did not in a positive way.

01:09:19
Speaker 6: Nope, thanks for clarifying that Cam Woard did everything he could with a depleted receivers room to tie this extremely gross game at thirteen all In fact, let's roll this video while I'm talking of.

01:09:36
Speaker 4: His throw too tight and Chigo kon quo.

01:09:39
Speaker 6: It's a third and long after a false start, of course, and then Ward takes a sack, of course, but he breaks out this beautiful, beautiful deep show I'm made is just gorgeous, and it's sort of the story of his rookie season. It sets the Titans up for the game tying touchdown. And I turned to my left and I say to Greg, Greg, if this game goes into overtime, I am going to walk into the lake at Sofiet.

01:10:03
Speaker 1: Oh, how rude.

01:10:04
Speaker 6: Well, we should have known that Davis Allen had the Titans right where he wanted them. He completed a gorgeous third and sixteen pass, better catch by Nico Collins, who gets seventeen yards needed sixteen toe taps it on the sideline, eventually sets up a game winning field goal that you heard at the top of the call. And the best thing I can further add about this game is that it is now over.

01:10:26
Speaker 1: Oh how rude. Almost as rude as when he got the ball. Davis Mills with a chance to go win the game. You said legacy drive time for Davis, and I thought you are so unfamiliar with this man's game. I mean his win with Lovey Smith as his coach, That the game that the Texans didn't want him to win to knock them out of the number one seed and eventually have CJ. Stroud. Bryce Young probably would have been a Houston Texan if not for that win was part of three game winning drive back in twenty twenty two, the only three games the Texans won that year. We're game doing drives by Davis Mills and now he's dot it twice.

01:11:07
Speaker 8: In a row.

01:11:07
Speaker 6: Here. What I'm saying he defines his legacy, He's.

01:11:11
Speaker 1: Just cementing it as a guy who you can trust in the clutch.

01:11:14
Speaker 4: And that is not a stretch WO.

01:11:16
Speaker 3: In a game where you know, in Jordan's defense because Greg was watching the you know, Drew Brees on the call in the Jamis game.

01:11:24
Speaker 2: Oh, I forget Willis Is coming in.

01:11:26
Speaker 3: I'm watching this Calculator Bowl between Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen and Jordans over there, like, hey, guys, well to guess.

01:11:33
Speaker 1: What the score is?

01:11:35
Speaker 4: I guess what the score for?

01:11:37
Speaker 6: Like that game exists, Yeah, it's by halftime. These two quarterbacks have only completed twenty three passes between them. The Texans' best drive on offense was their first possession until that the game winning field goal set up at the end. They did move the ball, but they turned it over on downs like right at the goal line. And then the Texans defense just did the thing that they are always asked to do and have to do and must do and are equipped to do, which was set up the team to salt the game away when they're up there but thirteen to six on multiple occasions, and it was back to back to back Houston series defensive series. In the fourth quarter, a sack fumble by Will Anderson Junior and then a sack by Danil Hunter and then a tackle for loss on a third and medium screen with about ten minutes left, all the Texans.

01:12:20
Speaker 4: Had to do, which just like truly salt this away.

01:12:24
Speaker 6: But the Texans already showed they can't really do that even with CJ. Stradd at quarterback. So this was like a reverse saulting in which the defense just kept shortening the you know, the time of possession and just kept giving them more bites at the Apple, and they couldn't do it until finally they almost had no other choice and they had to go down and set up a field goal because cam Ward had played and made an unbelievable play on the other side.

01:12:49
Speaker 1: So they're five and five, they're tied with the Chiefs. They're tied with a Ravens team we're about to talk about with Nick Schuok in just a little bit. And I do like because this defense, to me, it's nice to have one defense that you just know what you're getting every week. That truly is that awesome, which is why I give a lot of credit to the Titans today. Maybe not a lot, but they kept the pressure rate super low on came where they had no running game to speak of, and yet their success rate and the ability to hit that drive at the end, like that shows some progress that they were able to do some positive things. The Texans are still play they're plus fifty seven scoring differential on the season, Like there is a team hidden in there that can still do it and maybe maybe c J. Stroud. Let's get it done for all, right, let's go to Madrid. This feels like a long.

01:13:35
Speaker 4: That's what the score is, guys.

01:13:36
Speaker 1: Time ago, very similar in game shape and score to the one we just talked about.

01:13:43
Speaker 17: A twenty and nine yard field goal to win it for the three and seven Miami Dolphins, bull Is down kick is up on its good to Riley Patterson. He's the field goal of the day and the Miami Dolphins ree Spain with a sixteen to thirteenth victory over the Washington Commanders, knowing that their upcoming schedule off to the by includes the Saints, the Jets, the Steelers, and the Bengals. He's this season still alive for the four and seven.

01:14:15
Speaker 1: The Dolphins the path I love it, Will Gavin of Top Sport Ellieah not for the last time this year because he's going to be doing a show with us on Black Friday. There it is, and we have one more call from this game, sixteen to thirteen Dolphins win. On one hand, you can see the path for the Dolphins because of the schedule. On the other hand, you could watch this game and not think they've taken a gigantic step forward. H I actually think the fourth and one decision Patrick by Mike McDaniel to eschew a field goal to take a lead at the end of regulation when you're inside the five yard line was the most interesting part of this game. He literally chose to not take the lead, And I thought of Patrick Claybon in that moment and thought, there are some cases where field goals are good. Now I think that was one of those.

01:15:13
Speaker 3: It's because you heard it with the end of the first half interview where Dan Quinn said, Hey, we're not gonna win this game with field goals. We're gonna win it with touchdowns, and both coaches in the final moments prove that because three points is not as many points as seven.

01:15:28
Speaker 2: And nobody wanted to win this game.

01:15:29
Speaker 3: Okay, told, the circumstances forced Mike McDaniel to kick a field goal to win the game, which is something both teams could have done several minutes before.

01:15:37
Speaker 1: Okay, So for context, the previous drive, the Commanders chose not to kick a field goal, not quite as close, but very close on the goal line where Zach Ertz unfortunately stumbles out of his route and they failed to take the lead. It was a game that started actually with both teams going on super long drives, wanting to go for it on four down, and then both having delay of game penalties. So that they couldn't even do it. It was all tough. And the reason why I really did not like that call, even before I promise, was that they couldn't convert in short yardage all day. So sometimes you gotta have a feel of your team. This was not a good short yardage team the Miami Dolphins, no matter if they ignored offensive coordinator Tyreek Hill and gave it to Devon a chan in up the middle, a play that you know, Tyreek Hill hates, or gave it to Ali Gordon or to had to a throw like their short yardage was a disaster all day, or they would have won this game much easier, but they didn't because they wanted to keep everyone watching NFL Network. Stretch it out, stretch it out.

01:16:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why.

01:16:41
Speaker 6: Sure, totally I posited the query maybe messy fun team, maybe kind of on the verge of being a mess Dolphins, the Miami Dolphins, because definitely, you know, Will Gavin said it as eloquently as he always does. There is a path. We've been sort of hinting at it and talking about it. There is a path for this Miami Dolphins seem to at least keep things interesting down the stretch, and it starts with going a billion miles away and winning a game as gross as this was, and nobody seemed to actually want to win this game for a significant portion of it. I don't know, there's something about they're just not quitting. They're just not quitting. And you know what, Mike McDaniel is far from this frazzled despondent like he's not you know, late season injury riddled Kyle Shanahan.

01:17:39
Speaker 4: Right now he is.

01:17:40
Speaker 6: He's like sitting in press conferences and asking Ali Gordon questions right behind your your friend Henry Hodgson.

01:17:47
Speaker 1: He's driving the car past the Bills thing he had past the Billings.

01:17:52
Speaker 4: Doing bits like this. This guy is at least going.

01:17:55
Speaker 6: If he's going to go out, he's going out in style, on his terms. And that makes a possibly a messy fun team here, and I.

01:18:02
Speaker 1: Just can't they just have to avoid stepping their toe and they probably should have.

01:18:06
Speaker 6: Have such a soft spot for McDaniel too, and like, I just, you know what, I can't quit this team.

01:18:11
Speaker 4: I just can't.

01:18:11
Speaker 3: Well, the team needs to quit because this isn't a this year type thing in gold to go situations where Dolphins need short yardage. It's either galaxy brain mess or like, well, I'm sure we bring in our power back and we'll get it this time. Where it's like this is this is multiple years where they haven't been able to be successful in that capacity and there's no there's no there there, there's no place where they can lean on it. It's like we'll try to get a cham the ball with some blockers around and hope you can make a play that they just they can't do it.

01:18:43
Speaker 1: They can't.

01:18:43
Speaker 4: You can't control when the gummy hits.

01:18:45
Speaker 1: When, yeah, when they're in year four of also barely getting to the line of scrimmage in time, and then it's so stressful watching them to emotioning someone with two seconds left on the playcock and I swear they hit zeros on the playcock and it he should been called for about seventeen delay of games. I'm just like, stop motioning him with two seconds. Just hurry up to a hurry up.

01:19:06
Speaker 4: Coaches, We're so done with it.

01:19:07
Speaker 6: Patrick's head in his hands, Greg's voice is raising and I'm.

01:19:10
Speaker 4: Like, give it to me.

01:19:11
Speaker 2: Yes.

01:19:12
Speaker 1: Javon Hchan, though he had one hundred and sixty five yards in this game of the team's three hundred and eleven yards. They ran for one hundred and sixty nine yards overall. He is freaking awesome. Shout out to Marcus Mariota, who, through a regrettable interception in overtime. Before that, if it had just been regulation, played a really good game, I thought. But before overtime, apparently Jack Jones told the front seven Jordan Brooks, if y'all stop the run, he's gonna throw me the ball because he can't throw. And it was a bad interception.

01:19:42
Speaker 2: I just didn't deserve that.

01:19:44
Speaker 1: He doesn't really deserve that. But Jack Jones was saying the Raiders should have never gotten rid of him on Twitter. He might have been having some of those postgame bruise or something from the sound of it before we leave this game and we leave the International Series. Congratulations to Henry Hodgson and the entire in a Nationals biggest slate ever seven games, and yes he now is getting memed in a picture of Mike McDaniel in that press conference. Let's also listen to one last Will Gavin call. This was the Deebo Samuel touchdown. Early Deebo Samuel going you most from left to right.

01:20:17
Speaker 17: Two receivers not that early.

01:20:21
Speaker 1: The first touch.

01:20:23
Speaker 17: Fifty He's got an angle to the to the ends of touchdowns, twenty.

01:20:31
Speaker 2: Yard across the formation. Run to Deebo.

01:20:34
Speaker 17: Samuel on the quick pause, how do we have a first? I have a touchdown home Spanish soil.

01:20:39
Speaker 2: How he goes to Washington?

01:20:41
Speaker 1: Oh, I just love the way he says commandos. Fun day. We learned how Patrick likes the point. Oh my god, we learned Uh how Jordan more noises is like not so secretly becoming a Rams fan. I don't know you were into that game and.

01:20:58
Speaker 4: People do this. That's the thing I like.

01:21:00
Speaker 6: I twelve years as a beat writer of various teams, and I never got to be like enjoy team right. I mean I enjoyed all of them, but I never got to like truly and just even dipping my toe into the waters stressful.

01:21:13
Speaker 1: Not for me, It's very stressful for me. You know who's cool under pressure, It's Nick Schuck. We're gonna hit those games. Next, we're gonna say goodbye to Patrick and Jordan. Let's go to Cleveland.

01:21:23
Speaker 16: It's fourth and one from the Cleveland thirty five. The decision has made. They'll go for it. Touch push formation, Mark Andrews under center, takes a snap reel Zone's rolls on his own.

01:21:36
Speaker 11: He's of the thirty Andrews of the twenty ten.

01:21:39
Speaker 1: Five touch down Ravens. Oh, what a creative call.

01:21:45
Speaker 11: And Mark Andrews goes from the push push to the big bad sprint.

01:21:49
Speaker 1: Now the Ravens have the lead. Uh Smiles all around for Ravens coaches, Ravens fans, and Rod Woodson with his uh oh my to Chris Wesley and there he gone. That was also Jerry Sandusky on WBAL. That was one of the coolest play calls of the day. Yes, Mark Andrews with the longest touchdown run for a tight end follow me here since Jackie Smith in nineteen sixty eight. That great stat was by Josh Dubo of the Associated Press. The Ravens hold on to that lead to win twenty three to sixteen in a complicated games shook that included a lot of Seder sanders after halftime. You can start this recap wherever you want, because a lot went on in this game.

01:22:39
Speaker 18: Oh wow, Actually, you know what, Given the chance to start it anywhere, I'm not exactly sure where I'll go. There was one sequence in this game, Greg where we almost got interception interception interception on back to back to back plays on three straight plays like that kind of just typifies how weird of a game this was. The Browns defense forces a couple of interceptions turnovers via interceptions. Lamar's statline looks worse than he was, but he wasn't great. The Browns offense is still the worst in the NFL, no matter who's playing quarterback. And ultimately Baltimore did what they do, which is they go into the fourth quarter of what is essentially a rock fight and they find a way to get it done with the creative play call on fourth and one where they show as if they're going to sneak and instead Mark and Andrews goes around the end and proves just how athletic he is out running Carson Sweznar to the end zone and that's it. That's the difference. The Bravens win. They've won their fourth in a row. They are right on the stealers heels and everything is as it should be.

01:23:30
Speaker 1: Right, it's a game. If the people out there weren't watching, and I don't think many were, because that was a spicy late game window where you had a great four h five game that's kind of overshadowing the national game, which is Patrick Mahomes going against the Broncos. And then there's this game too. They were trailing sixteen to ten in going into the fourth and it's not like they did it quickly. They actually tied the game on two field goal drives, the second of which was under five minutes to go. So they're trailing under five minutes to go before they finally take that lead with Mark Andrews, you mentioned his stat line for Lamart wasn't great because he had the two interceptions, both off deflected passes. Those were kind of bad luck. But ultimately, you know, the Browns defense did more than their job. Miles Garrett with four sacks is is just getting crazy what Miles Garrett is doing. But I got to ask, because I did not watch it late, how was the Shador Sanders experience and was it as bad as the box score looked? Four for sixteen for forty seven yards, An interception and two sacks taken by Schadur came in at halftime after Dylan Gabriel suffered a concussion.

01:24:40
Speaker 18: The interception rivaled the Justin Fields interception that was thrown last week against the.

01:24:44
Speaker 8: Browns as one of the worst of the year, but he was also.

01:24:47
Speaker 1: Put it on the bard. Eric, I know we're not going to watch it right now, but put it on the board.

01:24:51
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, keep it in mind because it was he perfectly split his two receivers and the guy between the two receivers was Nate Wiggins for an interception. He was under a lot of pressure, but he did a lot of That's what I thought he would do if you watched the Browns in their preseason game against the Rams and he came in and he just held out of the ball forever and forever and forever and took a bunch of sacks. Folks then chalked it up to while he's playing with a bunch of guys who aren't going to be on the offensive line a couple weeks, not even gonna be on the roster in a couple of weeks. But you saw a lot of that tonight too, and that's kind of indicative of the Browns offense as a whole. They get a third and long, every team is blitzing them, every team sending additional rushers after them because they know that they can't hold up long enough to protect either of these guys. And these guys aren't capable of throwing the ball down the field, Gabriel because of our lack of arm strength. Shador because he doesn't decide quick enough. He just holds out of the ball too long. I think his average time to throw was north of three seconds, which is not good when you are a pocket passer, if you're a play extender, if you can be a Jalen Hurts and move around and survey and that sort of thing, that's okay, that's passable, that is not okay for Shador Sanders.

01:25:47
Speaker 8: So it was his first start.

01:25:48
Speaker 18: It came in at the second half, and you could understand if he was, you know, not maybe entirely mentally, just ready to go because you just get thrown in there.

01:25:56
Speaker 8: And he did do a couple of good things.

01:25:57
Speaker 18: He threw a really nice first pass when the field, he scrambled for a first down for five yards, which was the Browns first third down conversion of the day and one of only two for the whole day.

01:26:06
Speaker 8: Oh my l offense. And he had a good throw in the fourth quarter on that last drive.

01:26:10
Speaker 18: But ultimately he's he doesn't make any difference, just like Dylan Gabriel doesn't make any difference.

01:26:15
Speaker 8: It's a bad offense.

01:26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, the offensive line is so brutal, and you mentioned the good throw. He had a twenty five yard or up up the seam to Fannin and they jen Jerry Judy makes a couple guys miss on a short throw on a third and ten, and actually, just a couple plays later, he does have a chance to be the hero. Shader Sanders is rolling out on kind of a scramble drill has Isaiah Bond pretty open for a potential touchdown. It's not a play where you can like set your feet and it's gonna look beautiful, so you don't kill him. But he did have a moment where it's like he could have been the hero and capped in incredible drive. He missed that throw by quite a bit and then yeah, they end up not getting the first down a couple plays later. Are we concerned at all? And I know it was against Cleveland, so maybe that answers it. That the Ravens offense during this winning streak and they've won four in row, they're now five and five, still hasn't really looked like the Ravens offense to me, shook. Are you concerned?

01:27:12
Speaker 8: Yeah, we go back to that Miami game. Was that a Thursday night or yesday?

01:27:16
Speaker 1: Thursday?

01:27:16
Speaker 18: I remember, okay, and because I know we did a show about it, and they ended up with you know, Lamar ends up with four touchdowns and they kind of got together in the second half, but it was very much like just in big spurts, like it wasn't consistent over the course of that game. The Miami game or not Miami. The Minnesota game last week was pretty ugly. It was it was like a forty seven minute condensed replay despite being twenty seven to nineteen.

01:27:36
Speaker 8: And as I started, I go, there's no way.

01:27:38
Speaker 18: And then I get into the fourth quarter, I'm like, now, I see how we got the forty seven minutes, which is long for a condensed game. So and it was they struggled again to night, but the Brown's defense is very good. I am a little concerned, but I'm really not that concerned with Lamar's play. He's just been a little touch offf in the accuracy department. Their running game has not been as consistent as I would like. Now, Dereck Henry became the first rusher to break a hundred yards against the Browns defense this season, so hat tipped him. But it's not a constant presence for them. They're just not in no rhythm right now. Would you expect when you miss your quarterback for so many weeks, I would imagine over the next month they are going to get it together. They also play I believe the Jets are on the schedule next and then the Bengals. They'll probably get right in those two games, and we won't be worried. So that's why I'm not too worried.

01:28:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, they avoided a landmine tonight. This would have been a huge loss. They don't ever shot Bateman out there. They're not really getting the secondary receivers involved too much. And yeah, as I mentioned, Miles Garrett four sacks on the day, one of I believe only five players ever to have three four sack games in his career. He now has fifteen on the season. Michael Strahan, watch, he's got a chance to go try to set the single season record. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Let's stay in the division, the team that the Ravens are trying to catch.

01:28:48
Speaker 19: Placo gets a snap back to pass you others bringing five flack over the middle of the field, It's picked off bitch Dugger. Dugger to the forty yard line, preaching across the fifty to the forty looking for a plot from herby.

01:29:00
Speaker 1: He gets a trick you down the left side.

01:29:01
Speaker 19: Then Mitch chiefsmiss and waltzes into the end zone. Dougger a seventy two yard interception return.

01:29:10
Speaker 8: For a touchdown for the Steelers.

01:29:14
Speaker 1: Oh, Kyle Dugger the pickup of the year. Take the glass slipper off of Joe Flacco and see if it fits for Kyle Dugger. He's made a pretty big difference, considering they gave up a sixth to seventh round pick swap for him. Thirty four to twelve. Steelers win this game going away, even though for most of it it felt like it was more of a defensive struggle than we expected.

01:29:40
Speaker 18: Nick Schuck, Yeah, And do you know, Frankly, you gotta give the Bengals defense a bit of credit because for the first time in ages, they were keeping the Bengals in the game because their offense wasn't Their offense was struggling mightily to finish drives. It was It was very much a defensive battle here, and yet the way this game kind of devolved and then you know, win in the favor of the Steelers makes me think this may be the one that buries the Bengals permanently. Yeah, and it's because on a day that you get a good defensive performance like this final score suggests that, oh they gave up thirty plus again defensively. No, it was two defensive touchdowns, like the defense did a good enough job to keep him in this game, but instead it was the Steelers defense making a difference.

01:30:18
Speaker 8: Classic Steelers played.

01:30:19
Speaker 18: Their cover one Robert Kyle Duggas playing the robbery he's running down underneath, and an inexplicable interception you know, thrown by Joe Flacco, and then they maximize that a close game that became a blowout, became a bit of a laugher, and I think again could be one of those final nails in the Bengals coffin.

01:30:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, with four minutes to go in this game, the Steelers offense, which had Mason Rudolph at quarterback starting in the second half of this game, because Aaron Rodgers suffered what Adam Schefter is referring to as a small break. I believe in his left wrist. I don't know. I mean, I know there's different severities and everything, but break is a break. That's not a good sign. Mason Rudolph is that quarterback. Before that last four minute stretch, the Steelers offense only had thirteen points. It was just off that pick six plus another at thirteen and then eventually the door gets knocked over by Kenneth Gainwell and Mason Rudolph and Darnell Washington in a game that was spicy. Tell us a little bit about the Jamar Chase fracas, I'll say with Jalen Ramsey.

01:31:30
Speaker 18: Yeah, this game was Look okay, first off, it's AFC North with Nick Shook this week, which is great. So let me bring you into the AFC North corner here and understand, help you understand why these teams hate each other so much.

01:31:40
Speaker 8: Okay, Cincinnati little brother in the division.

01:31:42
Speaker 18: For a long time, Pittsburgh always represented one of the kings of the division them in Baltimore. Cincinnati is always wanted to be there, and they got there over the last few years. But they feel themselves slipping out of that right now in a division that's very much for the taking. So you go to Sunday, and the Bengals need to win. They've won once with Joe Flacco as their starter. They're desperate for one. Steelers are desperate to prove that no, we're not blowing our lead in the AFC North, we are going to prove that we're better than the Bengals.

01:32:05
Speaker 8: It's chippy, and it gets chippy in the.

01:32:07
Speaker 18: Second half where after Jalen Ramsey blasts Jamar Chase in an incoplete pass and they have, you know, exchanged some words. I'm like, keep an eye on that because both those guys like to talk a lot of trash. Well, eventually they start talking trash in a sequence here. Now, mind you, this play here in the in the second half is a key fourth down one in which it seemed like the Bengals were just bluffing and they weren't actually gonna go for it.

01:32:27
Speaker 8: They were gonna punt in the stoppage of play.

01:32:29
Speaker 18: After the Bengals call a timeout, Jamar Chase and h Jalen Ramsey get into a bit of a scuffle. And it's not the first time that these teams were brought together. And you're what you're seeing right now if you watch on YouTube, is Ramsey throwing punches, grabs the face mask with his left hand, throws a right cross that gets im ejected, and then we think, wow, Jalen Ramsey just flew off the handle. No, what we find out later is that, for the second time this season, at least to my memory, m hm, somebody decided to spit on somebody else and that's what caused the Franks.

01:33:00
Speaker 8: Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey.

01:33:02
Speaker 1: He denied it.

01:33:02
Speaker 18: After the game, so I didn't spit on anybody, but you can there's very clear field level video that he spit on Jalen Ramsey.

01:33:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you wanted to be generous to Jamar Chase, you could say he was so out of his mind in that moment that he legitimately forgot that he did it or convinced himself that he didn't actually do it. But unfortunately, there's video of it and he definitely did it, which means for the Bengals, Jamar Chase is almost certainly going to be suspended for the next game.

01:33:27
Speaker 9: Right.

01:33:28
Speaker 1: I think we established the precedent when it comes to Jalen Carter in the first game of this season and Jalen Ramsey also explained earlier. A few plays before I think exactly the play before that, Chase had actually grabbed Ramsey's mouth guard out and Ramsey was saying, look, I'm all for trash docking. I love trash talk, and you know, he grabbed my mouthguard and so we got into it. But whatever. Then we just started trash talking again. But when he spit, yeah, no bueno. He couldn't take it anymore. On a day that was extremely frustrating for Jamar Chase only three catches on ten targets for thirty yards. And I just expected this Joe Flacco story, how everything been great, not that he was like awful in this game, to just run out a little bit of steam at some point. And he's a guy who just has struggled against pressure. And he was six of twelve for fifty eight yards with an interception and some sacks in there under pressure. Today wasn't good enough. Before we leave this game, I do want to give some love to our guy, Darnel Washington, who man, we've been putting him in the spotlight all season in Dublin. I thought he was the player of the game. I think he's putting together an offensive player of the Year candidacy with plays like this.

01:34:40
Speaker 19: So Rogers in the shotgun has gained well to his right fifty one seconds remaining as he gets a snap back to pass looking fires over the middle of the field complete to Darna Washington.

01:34:49
Speaker 1: Oh, he shut down him again and.

01:34:51
Speaker 14: Then wars his shoulder robbling down the left sideline.

01:34:56
Speaker 1: He shuck him off with.

01:34:57
Speaker 19: His stiff arm and got down the left sid sideline inside the thirty five yard line of the Bengals out.

01:35:03
Speaker 1: Of the thirty one.

01:35:04
Speaker 5: No Jake break on this in my trailer, fellows, that was a truck ramp.

01:35:09
Speaker 7: Darnaut Washington stuff farm is the first guy, lowers the boom on Gino Stone, stays on the tightrope, and then smoke the third defender.

01:35:18
Speaker 1: That is it all timer. They make these these videos shook that they put on NFL Plus or whatever, like the like the craziest stiff arms in history, Like it's gonna make that list. But then to finish it off by running over ginostone. That is one of the all time I'm the man plays like in NFL history. I love me some Darnau Washington, who, by the way, also had a play where it was the biggest man I've ever seen hurdle in opponent. So Darnault Washington is just putting fun on tape and I am here for it.

01:35:53
Speaker 18: Shook, Yeah, shout out to Kyle Brandt, the master of angry runs. I think you found your winner for twenty twenty five were a number eighty. They affectionately know him in Pittsburgh as Mount Washington ran over a few guys on that one.

01:36:05
Speaker 8: There's your winner.

01:36:06
Speaker 1: And he also, like is a huge part of this passing attack. He had four catches for sixty seven yards. They're they're not really getting dk metcalf On tracked consistently. He did have forty nine yards on eight targets. But it was a lot of Kenny Gainwell because Jalen Warren got hurt. It was a lot of Nick herbig rushing the passer. And yes, there was a lot of Steelers. Big win for them to stay one game up on the division. Shook his sticking around and we're going to talk about one of the biggest games of a great week. Eleven slate. Yes, let's wrap up with Eagles and Lions. Goff Beck, you're a coups of wash. He's hit, He's hit, Dailey.

01:36:51
Speaker 5: Cos the whole coups loose, the Kobe Tea and him.

01:36:57
Speaker 10: This is where Fangio is at his best. He can down them up a way to break down the protection, get hits on the quarterback like nobody's business. Nikobe Dean just ran right through the face mask of David Montgomery on his way to the quarterback.

01:37:13
Speaker 1: Jared Golf, Oh, it's tough to find a highlight on Sunday Night football, but we had to start with that Eagles defense. Na Kobe Dean with a quarterback sack and another quarterback hit to throw in in a sixteen to nine performance. That was Merril Reese and Mike Quick on WIP and I picked that highlight Shook in part because of what happened right afterwards. The Lions didn't snap the ball till they had about five seconds left on the play clock. It was about as close as you'll ever see in an NFL game to an offense just saying I give up too good. I don't want to be here anymore. We're supposed to be hurrying up here, but frankly, like we're cold, we're not getting any yards anyways. Why hurry because we're just gonna be unsuccessful on our next play. Anyways, that is what they were. Then they kicked the field goal. It didn't matter. They weren't getting anything through the air. And what a defensive performance on a night Jared goth finishes fourteen of thirty seven and the Eagles defense carries them to a victory. What stood out to you from this defensive performance.

01:38:28
Speaker 18: I mean that what we saw against the Packers wasn't a fluke, right, that this Eagles defense is for real and it wasn't just a flash of the pan last week. And it's not just the addition of Jalen Phillips. It's everything coming together at all three levels. You know, you heard Chris collins Worth kind of rave about their depth throughout this game, but it is true. The performance of Nacobe Dean in coverage. Nacoby Dean is a rusher like he's just one of many key parts in this defense, and they're all coming together at the perfect time and it has become the strength of their team. Because by the way, that final score tells you what you need to know about their offense. They weren't getting much done offensively either, but it doesn't matter when you have a defense that can absolutely squeeze the life out of a high powered offense, and like you said, make them wave the white flag. We're ready to get back on the buses, go back to the airport and fly on.

01:39:11
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and it was a great performance by Jamir Gibbs individually. He ends up with one hundred and forty six yards from scrimmage, making people miss on a couple catch and run. So Goff's total yardage doesn't look as crazy, But I was looking for the stat that really explained everything in this game. I think the closest I got well first of all GoF seven for twenty four in the second half of this game is just that's crazy for Jared Goff. And yes, a lot of them were against pressure, and his numbers against pressure are insane. He went one for fourteen in this game against pressle It's just crazy. But there were a couple throws too where he wasn't even pressured and he was so spooked that he's getting rid of the ball too quickly and dirting the ball and missing pass. Says. They had a pressure rate of only a forty one percent, which is really high. Despite Goff getting rid of the ball quickly and them only blitzing twelve percent of the time. So what that tells me is that Jalen Phillips with four pressures in this game, and Moro Ojomo who had a number of big plays, and Jalen Carter who was really good in this game, and yes, Vic Fangio all were just making it happen. And their defensive line was just way better than the Lions offensive line, which has had some injuries, and even Sewell was in and out tonight. They won the game and the trenches shook, and so that way, they didn't even need much out of their offense, which didn't particularly have a good night, but it just wasn't as bad as what the Lions did.

01:40:40
Speaker 18: Yeah, and winning the game of the trenches, of course, always warms my heart, which is why I know you put that little accent on it.

01:40:45
Speaker 8: Fourteen for thirty seven. I did a quick scan right before we started here.

01:40:49
Speaker 18: I believe it's the lowest completion percentage in Jared Goff's regular season career.

01:40:54
Speaker 8: It's below forty percent.

01:40:55
Speaker 18: Previous low was forty three point eight, So that we're looking at a historically bad night for Jared Goff, and you're absolutely right. He was completely he was seeing ghosts. He was essentially seeing ghosts. He was spooked by this pass rush. He's missing throws that we see him make all the time, I mean, and just flat out and missing them either.

01:41:15
Speaker 8: High, low, wide.

01:41:16
Speaker 18: He looked completely lost as to why he was struggling. Obviously, you would think that the weather played a small part in it, but I don't think that's really what it was. And this whole offense was held back by an Eagles defense that it's crazy to say this, but tonight was the first time I thought, wow, they had all those departures and they might actually end up being better than they were last year.

01:41:35
Speaker 1: We'll see. And look, they're in great position to now go get that one seed, which is it's crazy to think about. For all the issues that the Philadelphia Eagles have had this season on offense, that continued in this game. At one point they their success rate for the night passing the ball and overall was around thirty percent, which is terrible, yep, And it was like twenty five percent when they were up ten points in the fourth quarter. They are the number one seed right now in the NFC on you know, a tiebreaker with the Rams because they beat the Rams, and it got me thinking, Okay, they're the one seed. They're eight and two. They've beaten the following teams this year, shook the Lions, the Rams, the Packers, and the Bucks and oh, by the way, the Chiefs we threw in there too. The seven to one in the conference. They've basically beaten all the other good teams in the entire league other than the Seahawks. They haven't played the Seahawks. It's it's crazy. And then we've seen the last couple of weeks that they've basically won. Yeah, the the NFC North by taking care of the Packers and the Lions in back to back weeks. And yeah, they have a lot to work on on offense. I think the Lions defense did a great job basically backing up Dan Campbell in terms of his fourth down decisions. A lot of people are gonna get on Dan Campbell for going for over and over on fourth down and they go for they go zero for five. One of them was a fake punt, but they turn it over on downs five different times in this game. What do you think about that?

01:43:01
Speaker 18: I mean, that's who he is, that's that's his reputation. He's known across the league for being the guy that goes for it on fourth down. I just thought that there were opportunities that they had that they did not cash in, even the Jared Goff in complete pass on fourth and goal. He's got Brock right underneath and he just doesn't he doesn't see him. He's trying to get the ball because he's getting hit. He's constantly under durest. So I think the execution was poor, But most of the decision making I thought was completely fine. You know, you look at it in hindsight and say, well, if you had a couple of few goals, this would be the closer game. Yeah, well, that's the benefit of hindsight. Dan Campill's not going to change who he is. I did think that as he saw him on the sideline and his nose is getting progressively redder and redder, as he got colder and colder throughout the game, he had this look of like dejection, as if like wow, like I it almost looked like he felt like he was letting his guys down, as if his the plays that he called weren't the right ones and they were the errors or the lack of capitalization and opportunity was just stacking. You could see him kind of just being like man, almost as lost as Jared Goff was. So I think, you know, at this point in the season, Lions being six and four, it's not like they.

01:44:04
Speaker 8: Needed the reality check.

01:44:05
Speaker 18: But I do think that this loss here gives them an idea of what they need to work on it. It does concern me because if you think about who they've played this season, how have they gotten beat by the teams they've gotten beat?

01:44:15
Speaker 8: It started in Week one with the Packers, right, you lose to the Packers.

01:44:17
Speaker 18: Because they had this blueprint, they put it out there. How do you beat them? You get after Jared Goff, you move them off a spot which is not new. But then the Chiefs did something similar. And then you look at the Eagles. Three of their four losses have all been the same formula, which makes me think there's a weakness that they're going to have to figure out how to adjust and fix and protect against.

01:44:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a team that's as complete as they were in the past, and you mentioned six and four. It's a different season shaping up. So the Bears, Yes, the Chicago Bears are in first place. We came into the division saying that the season, saying this is the best division in football, and the Bears do have a tough schedule and they're going to get a chance to go try to beat the Lions themselves, and the Packers are obviously right there. But the Lions are in second place at six and three, and then you have the Packers at six three and one. So these three teams will be battling and none of them are very likely to get the one seed that's probably coming down to the NFC West winner or the Philadelphia Eagles.

01:45:16
Speaker 18: And Eagles fans will still find a way to be upset about something.

01:45:18
Speaker 1: I get it though, because like they had one good drive tonight, and it was the drive late in the second half that I mean the first half that was really where we had the action. The Lions had that two play drive where they finally hit a couple passes. One was two, a'mon, ra you only had two catches on the day, and then a big, you know pass to Jamison Williams. And the Eagles responded with their one normal looking drive of the night. They ran the ball well, Saquon had a couple of nice carries. Aj Brown had had a big slant and the red zone got her Like it just looked like a normal drive for once and they got in. Other than that, like, I didn't blame the Lions for going it on fourth down. It wouldn't have mattered either way because they were trying to win the game. The problem was that they were just bad on first, second, third, and fourth down. They're getting dominated offensively. But here's what the Lions defense did, and this is a little bit of positivity for Detroit and those five turnover and downs. The Eagles had a total of six first downs in the five drives coming off of it, and they got six points you know, you know, two field goals on some relatively short fields Like that was not the difference in this game. The difference is the Eagles defense is just awesome. And more power to them because I do think there's a route to them figuring out this offense and they are.

01:46:35
Speaker 8: It's the same story that they had last year.

01:46:37
Speaker 18: It was Week thirteen and they couldn't figure it out, and that's what they figured it out along the way of riding their defense all.

01:46:42
Speaker 8: The way to the Super Bowl.

01:46:42
Speaker 1: Ooh, I love it. These NFC North games down the stretch are going to be spicy and Philadelphia. We talked about like the schedule getting through this gauntlet the Green Bay Detroit. Here they still have some tough games with the Bears and the Chargers and the Bills, but they also have three or four just games that you can chalk up as victories, like the two games against the Commanders and the Raiders. You have the Cowboys this week. We'll see like it's really hard to not see them winning fourteen fifteen type of games. So here we go. Nice Sunday. I'm really looking at this AFC and I'm seeing the two thousand and five AFC standings. The Broncos. The Broncos, the Patriots, the Steelers, and the Colts are the top four teams. Those were the top four teams in slightly different order back in two thousand and five when Jake Plummer was getting it done and Peyton Manning got has won Super Bowl for the Colts. So it's all setting up for a big week. We'll have Monday Night football Cowboys and Raiders, Shookie and I on YouTube, so join us live after the game. We're gonna make that sing. We're gonna add some spicy segments shook. I don't even know what it'll be. To add even more spice to what hopefully is a fun game, Cowboys Raiders on Monday Night to wrap up a big time week. Eleven We will see them