E315- They Tried to Hold Down My 150 LB Dog/ Why Your Dog Hates The Vet

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if you're like me and you have a dog that doesn't really love the vet, you're going to find this video in lightning, funny, and maybe even learn something.
[SPEAKER_00]: My name's Tom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a dog trainer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing it for over a decade.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my second channel as well as my no bad dogs podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a boreball, is a hundred and fifty pounds South African master.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll put them up right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can see the beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was bringing him to the vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and I don't know if the vet's just don't trust their clients.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's a safety protocol.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe what you guys think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to know in the comments like when you go in with your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dog has to be touched by the veterinarian or the vet tech, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the usual process is the vet tech comes in and then they go through, you know, oh, let's do weight, let's do, you know, whatever, you know, whatever they do, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Take take information down for the doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor comes in and he is dealing with skin issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has been for over a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: We think it's allergies.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to figure out what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love to have any insight comments below.
[SPEAKER_00]: Help the community out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Help me out and figure out what the heck's going on with this dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we go in and you know, and I don't know, like again, I don't know if it's like a veterinarian practice where they're like the owner of the dog certainly and cannot be involved with handling their own dog in which they know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm sure it's playing Devil's Advocate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that it's a safety thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they need to do a skin scrape or a shot or vaccine or look at their teeth or look at their undercarriage or whatever, I'm sure it's more of a our vet text need to do it because they are trained and they know how to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is, is a lot of times they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had this crazy situation at my local vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love veterinarians.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are so needed, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have relatives that are veterinarians.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have no disrespect of veterinarians.
[SPEAKER_00]: However,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... there is some beef i have with them about how they handle dogs like we we go in right and again you got a picture this my massive again hundred fifty pound blockhead they don't ask if he's friendly they don't ask if he's gonna be okay with this and again they didn't they don't know i don't expect people to know what i do for a living i don't walk in places and go just so you know the doctrine that's cringe i would never do that
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of let them do their thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point by saying that is regardless of if you're a professional dog trainer or not and you handle aggressive dogs for a living is your dog, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you would think and this is, this is why I'm making this video and it's just like so interesting to me that you would think that
[SPEAKER_00]: The veterinarian, the vet tech would say, and I don't know, maybe they just look at him and they go, oh well, he's not biting this yet, so he might be friendly or maybe, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is not an easy dog to read by any means.
[SPEAKER_00]: He well eyes, he side stairs, he does all of the things that if you didn't know him, that would tell you that he is uncomfortable and if you push him past his limits, he might bite you as a huge giant dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: meaning they could cause serious damage, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point is, I just find it fascinating, you know that when you bring your dog to the veterinarian that they don't even look at you and ask you, again, is your dog aggressive?
[SPEAKER_00]: Will your dog bite me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think we should muzzle?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then furthermore, do you want to help?
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is how it went down.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have this little tiny exam room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's, I'm not kidding at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have pictures of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I do, I'll pop it up on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching this and Spotify, you can see it and on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably a five, six foot by ten foot room, like a closet, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not their fault, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how a lot of veterinarian offices are set up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of them, but a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to some really nice ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a local one here in Saratoga where they have where you come in and all the dogs that are exiting are completely different hallway and I completely different exit, which are really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I go into this little room with my giant dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know him from Bowser.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they literally don't know this dog at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've never met him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, I don't know if maybe in their sheets back there because he's been there before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's not friendly or he won't kill you or he won't bite you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm kind of throwing this out there to maybe get some insight from some veterinarians or maybe people in the community that have gone through stuff like this before because it's just so bizarre to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go into this room.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, getting his treats is no bad dog nubs, shout out to no bad dog nubs, and he's having the time of his life, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just, you know, love in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, drooling, I'm doing some obedience with them, that tech comes in, I put him in it down, I put him in a stay, that tech, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and again, guys, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: If, you know, if you're a vet tech and you see that size of a dog who isn't, like he hasn't got a dog tail too, so he doesn't, he hasn't nob, he's really hard to read.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand if you come in and you're basically either nervous or you're trying to get some sort of information from the dog like, hey buddy, how are you any pops up and he's excited?
[SPEAKER_00]: I get all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the right thing to do under those circumstances, but, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, here's the way I thought it, okay, let me back up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's how it went.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that tech comes in super excited, talking to him, getting them all amped up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He pops out of his down, I put him back into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My, my point is is like when you're doing obedient training and when you're doing training, you got to pick your battles, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm in this office with a person that he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to have a good experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I know him well enough that he,
[SPEAKER_00]: isn't going to bite anybody or attack anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not worried about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more worried about his experience in the veterinary office because that's why a lot of vets are the bad guy with dogs because you bring them in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're rushed, they're poked, they're prodded, they're stuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the people are going crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, how are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're just talking to the dog and listen, like, some dogs may love that and everything, but it's just strange to me that they don't ask any questions about this dog's behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you guys, like, have ever met a borehole or a ratwiler,
[SPEAKER_00]: a massive in general like you know a big they are how strong and powerful they are and how kind of stoic they are like from a dog training standpoint I don't know about you guys from like a behavioral standpoint like they're hard to read kind of looking at you funny they're well on your little bit they're not easy dog street but he not once did he just say hey is it okay or
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So get back to the appointment.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes in and gets him all fired up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, screwed the obedience because his, his temperament at the vet is more important to me than his obedience at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's unfair for me to say go into a downstay and this vet tech is trying to get him to jump off the wall, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So in my head I'm like, okay, this is a tiny room besides this table.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're firing this rhino gorilla seal up and
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's he going to go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Once he starts getting the zoomies and getting crazy and bucking around, like, what's going to happen here?
[SPEAKER_00]: why are we coming into an exam room that's the size of a shoe box looking at a hundred and fifty pound mastiff and telling him to go crazy like I I don't know if like the person was nervous so we're wearing our anxiety and fear out of like okay you're not gonna kill me right type thing like I don't know right so I and this isn't me this isn't me saying
[SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't have done it necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, I'm trying to think of where they're coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would this happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you ever do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's tough, you know, from a professional dog training standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'm going to mentally and in my head critique a lot of things and be, I guess, granule about things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, get some all fired up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Cumsen, and that's another level of fired up, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, how are you and they're like we're just gonna we're just gonna hold them and then they bring another person in and I am like sitting there like What is go so now there's three people in the room that have never met this dog and they are trying here's this here's the problem I do have I will say this they are trying to physically Restrain this freaking dog like trying to hold him down like so she can get a skin scrape
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, at this point, just back up and I'm just, I know him, I know dogs well enough to know like these people aren't in any danger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm letting this happen, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm watching this kind of unfold that the people are physically like there's one behind them and there's one next to them and there's the doctor trying to like get down there and they're talking to them and all this crazy stuff and he's just getting so stimulated and so excited he just starts like like some sort of movie he's just starts getting up and they're trying to hold him down and physically control this dog and I'm like guys this
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in my head, I might guys, this is insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually ludicrous that you are doing this for so many reasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'll say it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean to repeat myself, but the fact that you don't ask the owner for the best route here
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe that's because so many dog owners are clueless with their dog, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean that in the most loving and caring way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like so many dog owners get a dog that doesn't require any training because of good genetics and luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning you get a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: They never have behavioral issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: They love everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't listen to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They only listen and sit for a treat.
[SPEAKER_00]: They probably are a little overweight, but the owners don't have any control.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they're just so used to the average owner going into the vet office thinking, I, as a vet tech, am going to have way more control understanding and knowledge and experience than this person with this dog who doesn't look at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: under any circumstances, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean, you know, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that's just the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have thirteen years of data that shows that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying your dog doesn't love you and you don't love your dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that ninety-five percent of dog owners out there don't have any controller engagement or great relationships with their dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Healthy relationships I should say, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just sitting there kind of watching this unfold and and I'm wondering like at what point are they going to ask for help?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not because I'm a professional, not because he's my owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: or because I'm his owner, but because they need an extra person, like they can't control this dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, this happened a couple months ago and I've been wanting to do this podcast and record this video for a while because I'd love feedback on why you think these things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd also like to say to the veterinarian industry, I texted my cousin after who's been a vet for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: She teaches at a med school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, yeah, we just don't like it's awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the everyday veterinarian doesn't have the skill sets to handle these situations correctly and safely.
[SPEAKER_00]: because if at any point he started I mean I work with so many aggressive dogs guys as you as you may or may not know like if he at any point decided to lash out he'd be
[SPEAKER_00]: right here, like literally there on their knees right here with this dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, his head is twice the size of theirs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's how big this dog is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how powerful this dog is.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you wanted to turn around and have a piece of somebody's skull, he could, and he would, like, he easily would be able to do that because they're not protecting themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not putting themselves into, but more importantly, they're not even asking the person who owns the dog if this is gonna be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that,
[SPEAKER_00]: blew my mind, you know, and it didn't take until after I laughed after like I was laughing the majority of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when I laughed, I was like, whoa, this is, that was really bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that could have been very dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And excuse me, the veterinarians and the vet text God bless them probably just don't know any better.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know any better.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go in and their MO is to get the dog so excited to make sure that they are lovely and the energy is up here and the excitement is up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're just trying to like hurry up and wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get this dog up here and then okay now we need you to sit still.
[SPEAKER_00]: in a very short period of time because of veterinarians they're basically like they don't they don't have time like that's like the biggest thing about the caught from from my podcast with other veterinarians and classical veterinarians they don't like these days they are timed they're like they only have
[SPEAKER_00]: fifteen minutes with the patient right they're in their out boom and you're gone you spend more time with the vet tech and so my point is is like I don't know if when they come in they're just saying like I need you to not eat me right now and I need to be able to do my job instead of spent so there's so many things wrong because instead of just spending time with the dog getting to know them sitting down having a conversation with me
[SPEAKER_00]: they are just doing their job really quickly maybe because they have to and it's dangerous and it's and it sucks for the dog it sucks for the vet tech so let me finish the story so they all three of them get on the dog and he is just I can just see it in his eyes he is like party on Garth he is ready to party like immediately I'm talking like
[SPEAKER_00]: you know crazy stuff right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He started to buck in and jump in and he's starting to get excited and he's starting to jump up and getting their face and he's like this is now a wrestling match.
[SPEAKER_00]: and I'm like, in my head, I'm like, you mess with this bull, you are going to get the horns.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is going to meet you where you're at, which is, hi, how are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, hell yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like that morning person where you're like, dude, it's six in the morning, like chill out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's chill out, bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just find that so fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's what I did, is I saw them struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to the point where they couldn't do their job, like the veterinarian couldn't get the skin scrape.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, so I just said, hey, can I help you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, sure, you know, what do you suggest?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally had my, my no bed dog tree pouch on, squeaked it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, sit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I food lowered him with food.
[SPEAKER_00]: He ate the food and I said, okay, now you can get your scrape.
[SPEAKER_00]: She went down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked back a couple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: She got the scrape and it was done.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so I'm like, why wouldn't you have asked the owner for assistance?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't you ask the owner if he's gonna be okay with this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it, it's like, well, what if he's not okay with this?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, maybe would you rather be bitten the face or would you rather get the skin scrape?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is that much rather too safety over that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I can always muzzle him and, you know, we've sedated dogs before.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I did is I put him into a sit
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just, I did a contact food lure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just held food here and he was just eating it out, eating the food and just going crazy on the food and they did their thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and they were probably like, I don't know, if I didn't care, then I made it easier for him frankly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were probably relieved, but they may have not even noticed how easy that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe to ask the owner, hey, what do you like to help?
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some veterinarians that I go to and they do know me and
[SPEAKER_00]: that does help because they do know that I do this profession as a professional and it's my dog and they do trust me right and so again I I pretty sure but I'm not a hundred percent sure that in the vet space it's got to be a liability for the owner to help the doctor because that would be kind I don't know maybe that would be the equivalent to like me going in for a check up and then me doing all my own like
[SPEAKER_00]: blood pressure and heart rate and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the protocols are for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it really was sad to see how much these guys struggled with something that was so easy to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, easy for you, Tom, because you're professional.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I did is tell them to sit because he knows it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know that he knows it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I gave him food and that was it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just really shocking to me to see how much stress goes into something so easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: frankly and so important the dog has to go to the vet right dogs have to go to veterinarians like they just do and even if you had a doctor or a veterinarian coming to your home it's the same stuff they get the dog so fired up and then they say okay now calm down because now I got to now you got to be still because I got to do this and I got to do that and I think there's just such a better way to do it I'd love I was talking about I was talking to somebody about it and like
[SPEAKER_00]: You should, you know, oh, you know what I did?
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a sign in the post office that said like a contained dog as a safe dog with like a male man running away from a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I have been hit up by Amazon before many like five or six years ago about helping them create a course for their carriers, which is brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like so many people
[SPEAKER_00]: don't know anything what to do if a dog attacks you or comes after you and reading body language and how to keep your extremities safe and you know all that stuff and so I just was just thinking like the veterinarian space needs so much education on behavior because they don't do any
[SPEAKER_00]: The majority of colleges for veterinarian medicine do not do any behavioral stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to think, here's somebody who just went to school for six to eight years, sometimes longer depending on their specialization.
[SPEAKER_00]: They learned nothing about behavior, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to read body language, how to stop a dog attack, how to calm a dog down, how to not get a dog excited, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they know it because they're dog people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But some of the worst handling and worst situations I've ever seen are
[SPEAKER_00]: the veterinarians who put dogs in these situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's sad to see, you know, because I think just with a little bit of education for these smart, obviously, they're smart people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're willing to put an education into their
[SPEAKER_00]: the curriculum into their brain, you know, and it's not their fault, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not blaming veterinarians by any means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I have a ton of respect for them and have friends and family that are veterinarians and I work with them on a regular basis, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying I just feel bad that they don't have more education on safety protocols and
[SPEAKER_00]: just making things just the quality of life for the dog in that moment, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's why so many dogs hate to go to the vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get so many emails within our company.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do I, you don't, the dog hates it because it sucks form.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to be able to reverse engineer and counter-condition a shitty situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tongue twister.
[SPEAKER_00]: A crappy situation for a dog that historically, every time they go to this place, this happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like classical conditioning.
[SPEAKER_00]: The chips ruffle.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get sweet potato chips, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to the vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get stuck with something and they're stressed out the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: that was wild to see these three professionals try to ride this bull in this little closet without asking for help without asking if the dog was going to be okay with this without asking if the dog is a bite history without asking anything they just did it and that shocked me and that's why I've created my whole brand no bad dogs because like if he were aggressive or they stuck his finger up his butt or something and he turned and like you know
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, correct it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not attacked him, but bit him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it would be his fall on paper, but the reality is is like, yo, you guys, like back this freaking tiger into a corner here, like this was awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, you know, I'd love your feedback, you know, this channel, and of course the podcast is always an open discussion on what the heck is going on in my thoughts outside of the tutorials that I've been doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just I'm a dog lover, slash professional, that loves to talk about dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd love to strike up the conversation in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching this,
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it and I can't wait to hear your experiences at the veterinarian and what you think of all of this.