Elevation – Plants for Adding Height in the Garden

<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.
<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
<v Speaker 1>Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well,
<v Speaker 1>today the start of a four part series, Elevation Future Weeks.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about rejuvenation, revelation, and inspiration, but
<v Speaker 1>today we take it to the next level. And Stacey,
<v Speaker 1>wayback in episode twenty nine, which now has one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and forty three thousand YouTube views, we talked about tendrils, clingers, climbers, twiners,
<v Speaker 1>and ramblers. Sounds like a nineteen fifties rock and roll group.
<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to talk about vines and climbers. But
<v Speaker 1>elevation is so much more than that. Elevation in raised
<v Speaker 1>beds and containers. Elevations in design adds so much character
<v Speaker 1>to a garden and a landscape. It takes it to
<v Speaker 1>another level. I mean, to elevate oneself. You know, motivators
<v Speaker 1>tell us to hang around successful, happy people. Well why
<v Speaker 1>not hang around successful happy plans.
<v Speaker 2>That's what it's all about for me, That's right. You
<v Speaker 2>know I can't. I don't have time for any losers
<v Speaker 2>in that garden, they get evicted and replaced to something else.
<v Speaker 2>It's a perpetual audition.
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Perpetual audition. Another episode we did was
<v Speaker 1>an episode on layering in the garden, modulating elevations, and
<v Speaker 1>I just want to remind folks that, you know, we
<v Speaker 1>we basically came to an agreement that it's a game changer.
<v Speaker 1>You can do this with grating or hardscaping materials, using
<v Speaker 1>a raised or mounded planting bed. It develops an interesting
<v Speaker 1>esthetic effect in your landscape because if everything just sits
<v Speaker 1>at the same level, you kind of get you know,
<v Speaker 1>it can get somewhat boring to the eye. But when
<v Speaker 1>you change elevations, it makes all the difference in the world.
<v Speaker 1>That's why many people enjoy raised planting beds. And then,
<v Speaker 1>of course, elevation is a big factor in the habitat
<v Speaker 1>characteristics of plants because of climate solar radiation, extreme temperature changes,
<v Speaker 1>low and erratic precipitation, humidity, et cetera, et cetera. So
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about altitudes and where plants are native too,
<v Speaker 1>and Stacey, for me, the perfect example are the tough
<v Speaker 1>stuff hydranges, the mountain serrata hydranges and how incredible they
<v Speaker 1>perform in the landscape minor in full bloom right now.
<v Speaker 1>But of course this hydrangea is used to higher elevation.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's where the mountain in the name mountain
<v Speaker 2>hydrangea comes from. So basically what happened is thatuntain hydrangeas
<v Speaker 2>and the more popular or better known big leaf hydrangea
<v Speaker 2>native to the exact same areas of Japan. But the
<v Speaker 2>big leaf hydrangels grow way down on the seaside where
<v Speaker 2>it's milder, and the mountain hydrangeas grow up in the mountains,
<v Speaker 2>so they have naturally evolved a better resistance to cold,
<v Speaker 2>because if they were always getting killed back and they
<v Speaker 2>never flowered, they would have gone and zinc. So it's
<v Speaker 2>an interesting way that elevation has kind of helped to
<v Speaker 2>give us a plant that actually performs better for us
<v Speaker 2>even down here at sea level and for.
<v Speaker 1>Me the tough stuff top fun.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Yeah, that's a great plant. That's beautiful color on
<v Speaker 2>that plant. You know, the mountain hydrangeas. If you have
<v Speaker 2>not consistently had good luck with other big leaf hydranges,
<v Speaker 2>I think that the mountain hydrangels are a great place
<v Speaker 2>to start. They do typically contribute more hardiness to a plant,
<v Speaker 2>and some of our hardiest, best performing hydranges for cold
<v Speaker 2>climates are a hybrid of the big leaf and the
<v Speaker 2>mountain hydrangeas. So like Let's Dance Skyview hydrange on, one
<v Speaker 2>of our most popular hydranges is actually a hybrid of
<v Speaker 2>both of them, and so it gets all the cold
<v Speaker 2>heartiness and reliability from the serrata and all of the
<v Speaker 2>amazing color and big flowers in performance because sometimes the
<v Speaker 2>serrada is on their own not quite as bright. Although
<v Speaker 2>you just mentioned top fun now that is one that
<v Speaker 2>has really changed that. That is one of our brightest,
<v Speaker 2>if not the brightest, mountain hydrangee on the market.
<v Speaker 1>And Let's Dance Skyview perfect for today's perfect.
<v Speaker 2>For your outfit. Your outfit is very Skyview.
<v Speaker 1>I like their elevation show. Now for people who are
<v Speaker 1>listening to the podcast or radio, you may be wondering
<v Speaker 1>what I'm wearing today.
<v Speaker 2>You'll have to check it out on the ear. It's
<v Speaker 2>hydrange of themes.
<v Speaker 1>Anyhow, this show is going to be simply divine. That's right,
<v Speaker 1>divine intervention today. Sorry, my garden puns are ripening. Just vine.
<v Speaker 1>Soon they'll be full grown.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you mustn't cling to the same old pond.
<v Speaker 1>Nicely done. You may have heard them before, but maybe
<v Speaker 1>they haven't. Speaking of vines, I was doing some reading
<v Speaker 1>recently and there was this article endorsed by the Denver
<v Speaker 1>Botanic Garden and Colorado State University. They recommended Kinsley ghost honeysuckle,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought that that was really interesting. Although the
<v Speaker 1>plant was I believe, discovered in Fort Collins, Colorado.
<v Speaker 2>So it was originally it came from Iowa, Okay, but
<v Speaker 2>then yes, it was rediscovered in Fort Collins by a
<v Speaker 2>nurseryman who saw it growing in someone's yard and basically
<v Speaker 2>slammed on the brakes of his car and was like,
<v Speaker 2>what is that? I must have it and went up
<v Speaker 2>to the owner of the home and was like, what's
<v Speaker 2>going on with this amazing honeysuckle that you have here?
<v Speaker 2>And that's how we're able to get it? So it did,
<v Speaker 2>you know? It made its way to Colorado. But it
<v Speaker 2>is so well suited to Colorado's climate, and it does
<v Speaker 2>it does beautifully here. But in Colorado with that high
<v Speaker 2>elevation hence sun in those dry soils, Wow, it is
<v Speaker 2>at its best there, the most silvery blue, just most
<v Speaker 2>incredible fan lastic.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had recommended it with an elevation guide up
<v Speaker 1>to eight thousand, one hundred and fifty feet. That's some elevation.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty high.
<v Speaker 1>Other elevation plants, of course, weeping white spruce, Picea glaucapendula.
<v Speaker 1>I always think of that when I think of elevation
<v Speaker 1>plants with its sweeping branches, I think about snowstorms and
<v Speaker 1>the plant being able to handle the weight of the snow.
<v Speaker 1>But again, when we're talking about elevation, you can talk
<v Speaker 1>about plants like north pole, arbor vide, purple pillar, hibiscus,
<v Speaker 1>any of these plants that can create some height in
<v Speaker 1>the landscape. And Stacey, I love a panicle hydrangea that's
<v Speaker 1>grafted to a standard for height in the landscape.
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not usually grafted, but they do have height
<v Speaker 2>in the landscape. But they are actually specially trained to
<v Speaker 2>grow that way without graphing. Now that's certainly not true.
<v Speaker 2>All of all treeform, shrubs, rose standards or tree form
<v Speaker 2>are typically grafted, but panic hydranges are not. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>it is so important that we make sure that we
<v Speaker 2>have some height in our gardens, and that we mix
<v Speaker 2>it up, that we don't just conglomerate at all in
<v Speaker 2>one area, which is very tempting sometimes if you're trying
<v Speaker 2>to create privacy to just kind of line it up.
<v Speaker 2>That's actually what's happening in my garden. So do as
<v Speaker 2>I say, not as I do. But it's important to
<v Speaker 2>have that height throughout hide some views. It just I
<v Speaker 2>think that one of the marks of great success in
<v Speaker 2>a garden is a sense of enclosure. It's good to
<v Speaker 2>have some borrowed scenery and see some things off into
<v Speaker 2>the distance, but it's also good to have that feeling
<v Speaker 2>of being just completely surrounded by the garden. It's what
<v Speaker 2>I think really adds so much magic, and really the
<v Speaker 2>best way to accomplish that is with height, either through
<v Speaker 2>tree and shrubs or vines on different structures. There's so
<v Speaker 2>many ways you can do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, today we'll talk about some clingers with aerial roots,
<v Speaker 1>like I personally like climbing hydrangea. I think they can
<v Speaker 1>be very impressive. But then we get into, as Stacey
<v Speaker 1>would say, mind numbing nomenclature when we talk about climbing
<v Speaker 1>hydrangea versus false hydrangea and rose, sensation and all kinds
<v Speaker 1>of Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would never call nomenclature mind numbing. I do
<v Speaker 2>love it and my numbing to others perhaps mind numbing
<v Speaker 2>to you are listeners, but not to me. I love
<v Speaker 2>it and a.
<v Speaker 1>Vine I love in my landscape. Cucumbers, just simple cucumbers.
<v Speaker 1>The tendrils are so much fun. I have some pictures
<v Speaker 1>to share on YouTube. I build a little frame, a
<v Speaker 1>wire frame, grow them on a forty five degree angle.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's perfect for cucumbers, good air movement, reach
<v Speaker 1>up to the sun, easier for pollinators. I think it's
<v Speaker 1>the only way to grow cucumbers. And a cucumber in
<v Speaker 1>the landscape I believe is a great way to get elevation.
<v Speaker 2>It is and you can eat them too, so it's
<v Speaker 2>win win.
<v Speaker 1>Win win. So here's a limb a rick to end
<v Speaker 1>this segment. And I was thinking about investing in elevation.
<v Speaker 1>I'm really not a fan of inflation. I much rather
<v Speaker 1>celebrate elevation when things go higher. I'll be a buyer
<v Speaker 1>if there are plants for my plantation. Everything's going up.
<v Speaker 1>They say costs out of control and run away. Spare
<v Speaker 1>me the taxation and fees agitation. I'll take a floriferous
<v Speaker 1>vine any day. This plant your roof will eclipse the walls.
<v Speaker 1>It tightly grips you bought it on sale. Its size
<v Speaker 1>can't curtail time to get out your best snips, and
<v Speaker 1>coming up in segment four, we'll talk about some of
<v Speaker 1>those vines that you can include in your landscape to
<v Speaker 1>get elevation. Plants on Trial is next here on the
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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the theme
<v Speaker 2>of today is elevation, which is to say, plants that
<v Speaker 2>go up, whether it is through their natural height or
<v Speaker 2>because you are growing them up some sort of upright
<v Speaker 2>structure like a fence post or pergola or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>It's so important to have plants on that plane to
<v Speaker 2>give you that magical sense of enclosure. It really makes
<v Speaker 2>such a difference. So if you're ever looking around your garden,
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of like, hmm, it's kind of boring. Everything's
<v Speaker 2>like all in the same plane. You need some elevation.
<v Speaker 1>Take it to the next.
<v Speaker 2>Take it to the next level. And there's so many
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<v Speaker 2>you can decide if it's going to earn a spot
<v Speaker 2>in your garden. But sometimes when we're on a theme,
<v Speaker 2>I kind of like to just talk about a group
<v Speaker 2>of plants in general, and I thought that it would
<v Speaker 2>be a good time with today's topic to talk about
<v Speaker 2>climbing roses. Adriana is an enthusiastic fan of climbing roses,
<v Speaker 2>and we only actually started offering climbing roses fairly recently.
<v Speaker 2>We didn't have any for many years. We now have
<v Speaker 2>the Rise Up series. There are four fabulous, beautiful varieties
<v Speaker 2>in there, and now that it has been on the
<v Speaker 2>market for a couple of years, we are seeing some
<v Speaker 2>truly truly stunning pictures from people who have planted them
<v Speaker 2>and are getting that amazing you know, rose covered pillar
<v Speaker 2>trellis kind of effect, and they are just stunning. I
<v Speaker 2>think everybody has so many people who love gardens and
<v Speaker 2>love flowers. They kind of have this dream right of
<v Speaker 2>the rose covered cottage. They've seen it on Nantucket or illustrations.
<v Speaker 2>Of course it's a popular thing in England and Ireland.
<v Speaker 2>But I'm hearing to drop a little bomb on everybody
<v Speaker 2>today to say that roses aren't actually climbing plants. No,
<v Speaker 2>they are not climbing plants whatsoever. A climbing rose is
<v Speaker 2>actually a rose that simply has long, flexible canes that can,
<v Speaker 2>with a bit of help from you, actually cover a structure.
<v Speaker 2>But they are not a climber in the way that
<v Speaker 2>we're generally talking about today, which is, you know, things
<v Speaker 2>that are able to secure themselves to a structure, so
<v Speaker 2>things can twine around like a whisteria. And the case
<v Speaker 2>of a climbing hydrangea which you mentioned, Climbing hydrangeas are
<v Speaker 2>actually different than shrub hydranges. They're not just a hydrangea
<v Speaker 2>that you can grow up something. Their natural habit is
<v Speaker 2>to produce these aerial rootlets and cling onto a structure
<v Speaker 2>or a nature of course a tree and grow up
<v Speaker 2>that that is not the case with roses. Roses have
<v Speaker 2>no real mechanism like other climbing plants to actually get
<v Speaker 2>up to some sort of height. So climbing rose is
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a misnomer.
<v Speaker 1>So and not a twiner like I didn't say winer,
<v Speaker 1>I said twiner, like mande.
<v Speaker 2>Villa, like mandabilita yep, So just kind of going around. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So you know, there's lots of different ways that plants
<v Speaker 2>can climb, But when you see that beautiful rose covered cottage,
<v Speaker 2>whether it's when you've seen or you conjure up in
<v Speaker 2>your mind's eye, that only happens with quite a bit
<v Speaker 2>of work. And so I do want to first of
<v Speaker 2>all say that climbing roses because they are not actually
<v Speaker 2>climbing plants. If you're going to achieve your dream of
<v Speaker 2>having a climbing rose, you're going to have to commit
<v Speaker 2>to a couple years of work. This is not going
<v Speaker 2>to be one of those things that you can just
<v Speaker 2>kind of set it and forget it like you can
<v Speaker 2>with most climbing you know, certainly a climbing hydrangea you
<v Speaker 2>plan it at the base of what you want it
<v Speaker 2>to cover. You wait, you know, five six, seven years.
<v Speaker 2>Next thing, you know it's working.
<v Speaker 1>You watch it happen. By the way, I want to
<v Speaker 1>endorse the rise Up roses, Rise Up Lilac Days, and
<v Speaker 1>I have that in my landscape. Wow incredible.
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it such an amazing plant.
<v Speaker 1>We's not a climber, it just is there and elevates.
<v Speaker 2>So because roses are not necessarily climbing, we just kind
<v Speaker 2>of use their ability to grow these long, flexible stems.
<v Speaker 2>You can actually grow a climbing rose as a regular
<v Speaker 2>rose if you don't have something to cover, So that's
<v Speaker 2>kind of a nice way that you can use them
<v Speaker 2>in your favor. But yeah, Rise Up Lilac Days is
<v Speaker 2>definitely one of our most groundbreaking plants. We got some
<v Speaker 2>fabulous photos that I know you'll be able to see
<v Speaker 2>on our YouTube version of the show.
<v Speaker 1>Show.
<v Speaker 2>Not only does it have these truly amazing kind of
<v Speaker 2>lilacky purple flowers, the fragrance will knock your socks off.
<v Speaker 1>That was fantastic. I have it by the entry of
<v Speaker 1>the garden as you walk in the gate, right next
<v Speaker 1>to a six foot chain link fence, and the thing
<v Speaker 1>was stunning.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is but you know, it does take
<v Speaker 2>some work to accomplish this vision. So I wanted to
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about how you can do this
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to discourage anybody from doing this.
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like once a climbing rose is established
<v Speaker 2>and growing on the structure that you want it to
<v Speaker 2>be on, it continues to be high maintenance. But you
<v Speaker 2>definitely have to put the time in for the climbing
<v Speaker 2>roses first couple of years to get it established again
<v Speaker 2>because it's not going to do it on its own.
<v Speaker 2>So first of all, you're going to plant your climbing
<v Speaker 2>rose as close as possible to the structure that you
<v Speaker 2>want it to climb on you want, so sometimes this
<v Speaker 2>can be a problem. If you're trying to get it
<v Speaker 2>on a house. You don't want it to go a
<v Speaker 2>long way kind of leaning in towards the house, because
<v Speaker 2>that just creates a trip hazard and it takes the
<v Speaker 2>plant longer to actually get up where you're going. So
<v Speaker 2>try a planet as close as possible to your structure,
<v Speaker 2>and then it's going to start growing.
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>The nice thing about climbing roses compared to most other
<v Speaker 2>climbing witty plants, and certainly climbing Hydrangea is a great example.
<v Speaker 2>Climbing roses are pretty fast growing. Roses in general are
<v Speaker 2>pretty fast growing, so you're not going to have to
<v Speaker 2>wait for a super long time. But because it is
<v Speaker 2>fast growing, you are going to need to be vigilant
<v Speaker 2>about monitoring the growth that it puts on and getting
<v Speaker 2>it to grow the way that you want it to. So,
<v Speaker 2>usually that first season after you plant it, depending on
<v Speaker 2>growing conditions in when you planted it, the rose is
<v Speaker 2>going to start growing and it's going to put out
<v Speaker 2>some of those long, thin shoots. Now, once that starts happening,
<v Speaker 2>you're going to want to either cut those off if
<v Speaker 2>they're not going in the direction or place where you
<v Speaker 2>want them to go, or you are going to start
<v Speaker 2>training them into the direction that you want them to go.
<v Speaker 2>That's what's going to establish the structure of your climbing
<v Speaker 2>rose is those main thick stems that start coming out,
<v Speaker 2>and so those are the ones that you're really going
<v Speaker 2>to want to establish, and those are the ones that
<v Speaker 2>are going to reach up to the height that you want.
<v Speaker 2>And you're not really going to be pruning your rose
<v Speaker 2>much as long as it's growing upward until it gets
<v Speaker 2>to that point where you want it to branch. So,
<v Speaker 2>as anyone who has ever prune a rose knows, if
<v Speaker 2>you cut a branch tip back on a rose, it
<v Speaker 2>will cause the buds below it to branch out. Now,
<v Speaker 2>that's probably not necessarily what you want as you're trying
<v Speaker 2>to get the rose to cover something. Now, of course,
<v Speaker 2>this all depends on your structure. You can use something
<v Speaker 2>like a trellis, in which case you will want all
<v Speaker 2>of that growth kind of more at ground level. But
<v Speaker 2>when I think of like the classic rose covered cottage,
<v Speaker 2>it's not so much the walls. It's going up the
<v Speaker 2>roof and over the door and all of that kind
<v Speaker 2>of thing. But you don't want to prune any branch
<v Speaker 2>tips until you are ready for branching. So I can't
<v Speaker 2>tell you when that's going to because it all depends
<v Speaker 2>on your structure and your vision. But you do have
<v Speaker 2>to know if you cut it back, it's going to
<v Speaker 2>cause those buds to release, and so you have to
<v Speaker 2>think about where you're cutting it and where that branching
<v Speaker 2>is going to occur. Now, once the plant has actually
<v Speaker 2>reached the height that you want, then you probably want
<v Speaker 2>it to branch because you want it to start growing
<v Speaker 2>and filling in, but you are going to need to
<v Speaker 2>continue to train that growth. Sometimes. Of course, climbing roses
<v Speaker 2>can create a little bit of a safety hazard if
<v Speaker 2>they're planted by doors, you know, put out some crazy growth.
<v Speaker 2>But fortunately roses are super amenable to pruning. It's not
<v Speaker 2>a problem to go ahead and just snip those off,
<v Speaker 2>but you do have to be vigiling. You have to
<v Speaker 2>keep watching the growth, making sure it's going in the
<v Speaker 2>direction that you want. And then every winter, late winter,
<v Speaker 2>early spring, you're going to need to get out that
<v Speaker 2>ladder at least once it's tall enough. You're going to
<v Speaker 2>want to take out any dead wood, any wood that
<v Speaker 2>shows any signs of damage or disease or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>You're also going to want to take out any branches
<v Speaker 2>that are for most varieties about the thickness of a
<v Speaker 2>pencil or thinner.
<v Speaker 1>And in winter climates in the north, the winter damage.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, certainly that can that can definitely happen, and
<v Speaker 2>so it takes some time. You have to be vigilant,
<v Speaker 2>you have to get out there. And the climbing roses
<v Speaker 2>they do they are capable of some ability to kind
<v Speaker 2>of cling to one another, through their thorns. Their thorns
<v Speaker 2>can get kind of tangled, and that helps to keep
<v Speaker 2>them up. But what you don't want to happen, of course,
<v Speaker 2>is for your climbing rose to get to that magical
<v Speaker 2>moment and then fall over because it wasn't actually clinging
<v Speaker 2>to anything. So as is soft flexible canes come out,
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to let them grow too long till
<v Speaker 2>they get thick and stiff. You're gonna want to kind
<v Speaker 2>of weave them, not extensively, but weave them slightly in
<v Speaker 2>and out of your structure so that the plant actually
<v Speaker 2>starts to grow into and around the structure, and it
<v Speaker 2>will mean that wall like appearance even as it starts
<v Speaker 2>to get older, and no big wind gust or something
<v Speaker 2>like that is gonna come along and knock it out.
<v Speaker 2>So I would say the maintenance on a climbing rose
<v Speaker 2>is probably gonna be three good years. You're gonna need
<v Speaker 2>to be out there very frequently. You're gonna need to
<v Speaker 2>be vigilant, You're gonna need to be executing your vision
<v Speaker 2>for the plant. But then once you do that, then
<v Speaker 2>it's really just a matter of pruning it so it
<v Speaker 2>stays within the boundaries.
<v Speaker 1>And you can do it. You can train them. I
<v Speaker 1>think of my mom. She loved climbing roses. She also
<v Speaker 1>loved Perry Como the Crooner.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And I just looked it up here while you were
<v Speaker 1>talking in that song rambling Rose, anybody knows you can
<v Speaker 1>train a rose to be a clinging vine. So from
<v Speaker 1>this day hence there'll be a picket fence round that
<v Speaker 1>rambling rose of mine.
<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's so sweet. Yeah. So anyway, there's tons in
<v Speaker 2>tents of climbing roses out there. All you have to
<v Speaker 2>do is look for climbing rows on the tag and
<v Speaker 2>you know it's gonna do what you want it to do.
<v Speaker 2>But if I may humbly suggest, I would recommend our
<v Speaker 2>Rise Up series. It's disease resistant, it's vigorous, it's going
<v Speaker 2>to bloom all summer without dead heading, because how much
<v Speaker 2>fun is the climbing rounds with now no flowers? Not
<v Speaker 2>very fun And they're all fragrant and they're all beautiful.
<v Speaker 2>So please do check us out on YouTube if you
<v Speaker 2>want to take a look at all of the Rise
<v Speaker 2>Up series and the fabulous photos we've been getting from
<v Speaker 2>gardeners around the country as they establish their own climbing
<v Speaker 2>rise up ropes. We're gonna take a little break. When
<v Speaker 2>we come back, we've got the mailbag, so please stay tuned.
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<v Speaker 2>grows our plans and knows what the heck they're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>So that's rare these days, so please do reach out
<v Speaker 2>to us there. We don't want you to struggle with
<v Speaker 2>our plans or anything else needlessly. So what do we
<v Speaker 2>got in the mail bag? This week?
<v Speaker 1>Stacy Ellen wrote to us about her Dayly.
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, oh boy, dayly season.
<v Speaker 1>First yeah, mine look gorgeous in the landscape right now.
<v Speaker 1>First year they've looked like this, says Ellen, what can
<v Speaker 1>I do? Her Daily is not doing well?
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you can see the picture on YouTube. What
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing here is a daily which are normally known
<v Speaker 2>for being extremely tough and durable and easy to grow plants,
<v Speaker 2>and they are, but it's a day Daily. The leaders
<v Speaker 2>looking kind of sad, and they have these dramatic yellow
<v Speaker 2>streaks through the foliage and some brown spots and overall
<v Speaker 2>the plant just looks really sad. And you know, sometimes
<v Speaker 2>there's like a joke that goes around about birders that
<v Speaker 2>like ornithologists have never been very creative, you know, plant namers,
<v Speaker 2>because they're like, it's a yellow headed blackbird, and it
<v Speaker 2>is literally a blackbird with a yellow head. So, Ellen,
<v Speaker 2>what your Daily has is something that you if I said, like, well,
<v Speaker 2>what do you think it has, you would have said, like,
<v Speaker 2>day lily leaf streak, And yes, that is what your
<v Speaker 2>Daily has is daily leaf streak. Fungus. It is a
<v Speaker 2>fungal disease, and it is so Fungal diseases are one
<v Speaker 2>of those things that can just kind of pop up.
<v Speaker 2>You may have never had them before, but there's a
<v Speaker 2>number of reasons why they can suddenly appear to you know,
<v Speaker 2>impact your plants out of what seems like nowhere. And
<v Speaker 2>usually it has to do with spring weather because almost
<v Speaker 2>all fungal diseases actually get their start back in spring.
<v Speaker 2>It's just that right now they're actually showing, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they've gotten enough time to get established on the plant
<v Speaker 2>that they're actually showing their signs. So the infection actually
<v Speaker 2>happens in spring. Why because in spring, when a plant emerges,
<v Speaker 2>that foliage is so soft and so tender, and it
<v Speaker 2>hasn't yet developed the waxy cuticle that helps it through
<v Speaker 2>later in the season.
<v Speaker 1>It's no different than our shade trees and tar spot.
<v Speaker 1>Just as the leaves emerge, that's when they're vulnerable to
<v Speaker 1>things like.
<v Speaker 2>That, right, So they don't have that protective coating, and
<v Speaker 2>it's rainy a lot, and it can be you know,
<v Speaker 2>low air circulation, cool days, cloudy days, and so that's
<v Speaker 2>when the fungus typically impacts the plant. And it's important
<v Speaker 2>and I really want people to understand this. If you
<v Speaker 2>have a fungal disease, fungal diseases on plants are on
<v Speaker 2>the plants, they are not in the plants. And that
<v Speaker 2>is a huge distinction because a lot of people will
<v Speaker 2>see a fungal disease and freak out and think, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I should take this out, and that's not necessarily the case,
<v Speaker 2>and the daylily leaf streak is also not that serious.
<v Speaker 2>So the best thing to do is to make sure
<v Speaker 2>that this fall, when the plant dies back, that you
<v Speaker 2>completely remove and discard. Don't compost it, don't put it
<v Speaker 2>in the municipal compost, put it straight away into the garbage.
<v Speaker 2>Remove all that foliage, because the way the fungal disease
<v Speaker 2>cycle works is that they spores. The plant will have
<v Speaker 2>spores on it by then the old foliage they're going
<v Speaker 2>to sit there on that dried foliage under the plant,
<v Speaker 2>just camping out for the winter, and then next spring
<v Speaker 2>when it's rainy and cool and cloudy, and that foliage
<v Speaker 2>comes off with that nice tender new growth, no cuticle woof,
<v Speaker 2>all of that spore gets released, covers the plant and
<v Speaker 2>it happens again. So just removing and discarding the foliage
<v Speaker 2>this fall will do a lot towards eliminating this in
<v Speaker 2>the first place.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now you nailed it. I mean day lilies. My
<v Speaker 1>experience has been they can handle hot and dry. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so if you have a wet cool spring for that
<v Speaker 1>to develop doesn't surprise.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it can also indicate that, yeah, maybe the
<v Speaker 2>soil is not well drained enough. It's a little bit
<v Speaker 2>too wet, so you might consider that. But I think
<v Speaker 2>she said that this was the only one that it
<v Speaker 2>really was happening on. There are also daylilies that are
<v Speaker 2>resistant to leaf streaks. So if it continues to be
<v Speaker 2>a problem, or you know it's a problem in your area,
<v Speaker 2>which does sometimes happen in really moist climates that fungal
<v Speaker 2>diseases are just a perennial issue, then look for those
<v Speaker 2>disease resistant varieties.
<v Speaker 1>Gene writes to us, can you tell me what's going
<v Speaker 1>on with my pinky winky hydrangea? The leaves are very
<v Speaker 1>tiny and strange looking. I lost a strawberry sunday hydrangea
<v Speaker 1>a couple years ago after the same thing happened. My
<v Speaker 1>other high ranges nearby, incredible limelight prime are looking normal
<v Speaker 1>with normal leaves and flower buds. I live in Fremont, Michigan.
<v Speaker 1>Loamies soil, plenty of water, and gene. I don't blame
<v Speaker 1>you for writing to us. I took a look at
<v Speaker 1>the picture. Doesn't look like pinky winky to me. Kind
<v Speaker 1>of looks stinkydinky punky winky. Yeah, not good.
<v Speaker 2>No it's not. But I so there's three things that
<v Speaker 2>this can be. And I will tell you that panicle
<v Speaker 2>hydrangeas are, of course, just much like we were discussing
<v Speaker 2>with the daylilies, very easy to care for, very trouble
<v Speaker 2>free plants, but there are a couple of things that
<v Speaker 2>can happen to them. So there's three possible explanations for this,
<v Speaker 2>and it's hard, of course for me to say without
<v Speaker 2>seeing the plan or knowing more about its history. Number
<v Speaker 2>one most common explanation is herbicide drift. So herbicide drift,
<v Speaker 2>I think we've talked about it on the show before.
<v Speaker 2>It's when fine, fine, fine little particles that are being sprayed.
<v Speaker 2>It can be adjacent, it can be a lawn service,
<v Speaker 2>it can be a farm. Just this fin find mist
<v Speaker 2>of particles kind of drifts over on the plant when
<v Speaker 2>it's in bud in spring especially, and it causes the
<v Speaker 2>growth to emerge all wonky, in which case. Herbicide damage
<v Speaker 2>can certainly set a plant back very seriously for one season,
<v Speaker 2>but usually grows out of it by the following year
<v Speaker 2>as long as it doesn't happen again. The other two
<v Speaker 2>potential explanations are both pest related, so this can happen
<v Speaker 2>from aphids, especially aphids that are coming along in spring.
<v Speaker 2>Again when the plant is in leaf bud. This damage
<v Speaker 2>is not happening now. This is damage that happened way
<v Speaker 2>back in spring when those buds were starting to form
<v Speaker 2>and expand and be really really tender, and all those
<v Speaker 2>aphids are looking for a good tender meal. They've found
<v Speaker 2>it and they're feeding. Can severely stunt growth, cause like
<v Speaker 2>weird curving growth. It looks space age, but it literally
<v Speaker 2>is just because of aphids. And then the third reason
<v Speaker 2>is what is known as a phytoplasma like organism, and
<v Speaker 2>this is a disease that's transmitted through mites and the
<v Speaker 2>mites that are transmitated so it's not like spider mites.
<v Speaker 2>They are mites, but they're even tinier than spidermights.
<v Speaker 1>Do you have to call the ghostbusters?
<v Speaker 2>You kind of do, because yes, it is a like
<v Speaker 2>phytoplasma organisms For phytoplasma like organisms are not very well understood.
<v Speaker 2>They're super weird. But basically they live in the gut
<v Speaker 2>of this tiny, tiny little mite that like blows in
<v Speaker 2>on the wind. They don't even really walk, They're just
<v Speaker 2>so little that they can just blow around on the wind.
<v Speaker 2>They land on the plant in bud, they start feeding,
<v Speaker 2>and they can transmit the phytoplasma into the plant and
<v Speaker 2>then that causes the weird growth. Now, typically it's hard
<v Speaker 2>to say again which of these three it might be,
<v Speaker 2>and that does determine the long term prognosis for your plant.
<v Speaker 2>But I will say, typically the phytoplasma like or organism,
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen it. The leaves are really thick. It's
<v Speaker 2>not just simply a matter of them looking normal, but
<v Speaker 2>being small, they kind of thicken and get sometimes darker,
<v Speaker 2>and really a lot of plants are susceptible to this.
<v Speaker 2>But it just seems like, you know, the panicle hydranges
<v Speaker 2>are are one that they are often found on. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so I.
<v Speaker 1>Answer, my friend is blowing in the lid.
<v Speaker 2>It might be a yeah or Bob Dylan. Dylan, He's
<v Speaker 2>une wrote it, so kind of credit where credit is
<v Speaker 2>due here. Uh So, anyway, what you should do next
<v Speaker 2>hard for me to say because we can't pinpoint the
<v Speaker 2>exact problem. Uh, if it's aphids or herbicide damage, that's
<v Speaker 2>good news because it will grow out of that next year.
<v Speaker 2>So you kind of need to just take away and
<v Speaker 2>see attitude right now and then see what happens next year.
<v Speaker 2>The best thing you can do for it now to
<v Speaker 2>just keep it growing vigorously, keep it growing healthy. I
<v Speaker 2>would go ahead and maybe give it a dose of
<v Speaker 2>fertilizer right now, because we're kind of at the end
<v Speaker 2>of July, nearing that period where you want to stop
<v Speaker 2>fertilizing woody plants in anticipation of fall. As crazy it
<v Speaker 2>is as it is when we're at the height of
<v Speaker 2>summer to think about that, give it a dose of fertilizer.
<v Speaker 2>That will help it kind of, you know, get some
<v Speaker 2>vigorous growth. You are unlikely to see flowers on it
<v Speaker 2>this year, but keep taking care of it, don't let
<v Speaker 2>it get stressed, and then we're just going to kind
<v Speaker 2>of have to wait and see what happens next spring.
<v Speaker 2>And when that when you see that new growth start
<v Speaker 2>to emerge on the plant in say mid to late April,
<v Speaker 2>early may go out and take a look at it.
<v Speaker 2>Monitor it then and you know, if it's aphids, then
<v Speaker 2>they'll be pretty easy to spot if you're if you're
<v Speaker 2>looking carefully, it might feel kind of sticky. But got
<v Speaker 2>to figure out the cause and then you can deal
<v Speaker 2>with with what's next.
<v Speaker 1>But do some detective takes, some protective elimination. And I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate Gene writing to us because Pinky Winky is really
<v Speaker 1>a pretty easy hydrangea grows, so I can understand her frustration.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, ill, panicle headranges are pretty easy to grow.
<v Speaker 2>This isn't necessarily something that will spread. It's just something
<v Speaker 2>that was on the plant and it's the insect itself
<v Speaker 2>or might has probably long since moved on. And so
<v Speaker 2>it's a crazy world out there. Anyway. Thank you all
<v Speaker 2>so much for your questions. We're going to take a
<v Speaker 2>little break. When we come back, we're going to continue
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Let's continue our
<v Speaker 1>talk of elevation vines and twiners. Stacey a favorite sit
<v Speaker 1>back and unvine for a while while we talk about
<v Speaker 1>a few of our favorite plants. Thunbergia a genus of
<v Speaker 1>flowering plants, and of course a lot of people know
<v Speaker 1>this plant by black Eyed Susan just a vibrant, annual vine.
<v Speaker 1>It's not a hardy vine, but great to grow in
<v Speaker 1>landscapes during the summertime. Proven winters has a tangerine slice appeal,
<v Speaker 1>black eyed Susan vine a lemon appeal black eyed Susan vine.
<v Speaker 1>Love that plant sol pretty and easy to grow. And
<v Speaker 1>then there's the Thunbergia grand of Flora, which is Bengal
<v Speaker 1>clock vine. The name Bengal clock vine refers to the
<v Speaker 1>vine's tendency to twine in a clockwise direction around supports,
<v Speaker 1>and includes the word Bengal because the plant is native
<v Speaker 1>to the Bengal regions of India.
<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, you know the difference. One of the differences
<v Speaker 2>between the American mysteria and the Asian mysteria is one
<v Speaker 2>vine's clockwise and one vine's counterclockwise, yes, and that's kind
<v Speaker 2>of a difficult thing to well when you're looking at it,
<v Speaker 2>but just one of those distinguishing features. I'm really glad
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the Thunbergia because I don't think we should
<v Speaker 2>omit annual vines from this conversation, because I have personally
<v Speaker 2>found that sometimes it can be a little bit tricky
<v Speaker 2>to get good height in your containers. You know, there's
<v Speaker 2>certainly some great plants, like you know, the king tuts
<v Speaker 2>Papyrus cannas. Of course, there are definitely some great plants
<v Speaker 2>out there for it, but I always find after I've
<v Speaker 2>gone through and picked out everything that I love and
<v Speaker 2>I've planted it in my containers, then I kind of
<v Speaker 2>look at them and go, huh, everything's at like the
<v Speaker 2>exact same level.
<v Speaker 1>We want some elevation.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's a great plant for that, and I
<v Speaker 2>love to just grow them. I have some beautiful metal
<v Speaker 2>tpies wine tepis, and just having that in there it
<v Speaker 2>just brings again another dimension to the plant. And there's
<v Speaker 2>lots of other very cool annual vines as well, but
<v Speaker 2>that one is fabulous.
<v Speaker 1>Those metal tps are great and if you're on a budget,
<v Speaker 1>what I've found works really good. Is you just got
<v Speaker 1>some good long bamboo steaks, make a tripod out of
<v Speaker 1>them and that will work too. So yeah, that's a
<v Speaker 1>great way to go, Stacy. You got me interested in
<v Speaker 1>a plant, and I'm gonna see if I get this
<v Speaker 1>botanical name right, big Nonia caprio lata. Yeah, dressed to
<v Speaker 1>thrill crossvine. Because you know, we haven't brought up trumpet vine,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not gonna bring it up because people will
<v Speaker 1>be mad at us if we bring up trumpet vine
<v Speaker 1>invasive and takes over an area. But this plant what
<v Speaker 1>a great substitute for something like trumpet vine dressed to
<v Speaker 1>thrill cross vine.
<v Speaker 2>It is so cool. And this is a plant that
<v Speaker 2>will be new at garden centers next year. You can
<v Speaker 2>get small plants at the online right now, but bigger
<v Speaker 2>plants will be available next year. And so this is
<v Speaker 2>also a North American native plants. Yeah, it is semi evergreen,
<v Speaker 2>so it's not as hardy as trumpet vine. But if
<v Speaker 2>you live say here in USCA is on six it
<v Speaker 2>makes me much better behaved. Alternative. Now, if you live
<v Speaker 2>in a warmer climate, it's native to the South. I
<v Speaker 2>think if you've ever taken a road trip down south
<v Speaker 2>somewhere in that like early spring range, and you're looking
<v Speaker 2>and you see red things up in the trees. That's
<v Speaker 2>the cross vine. It's called crossvine because when you cut
<v Speaker 2>open the stem, it looks like the xylum and flow
<v Speaker 2>them in there. The dots are arranged in the shape
<v Speaker 2>of a cross. I haven't done that yet, but that's
<v Speaker 2>what I hear. And yeah, just beautiful. It's like the
<v Speaker 2>tangerine appeal Thunburgie you were just talking about. I love
<v Speaker 2>that look when the flowers on a vine are kind
<v Speaker 2>of coming off on that little pedicil and they just
<v Speaker 2>make this kind of like wind screen and they're just
<v Speaker 2>kind of fluttering. I love that. And that's what this
<v Speaker 2>plant does.
<v Speaker 1>It's gorgeous. Another annual sweet Caroline, upside key lime, ornamental
<v Speaker 1>sweet potato vine. You know, sweet potato vines are great
<v Speaker 1>and containers. I even use them as groundcovers. But this
<v Speaker 1>particular one, the upside look for that can also be
<v Speaker 1>trained in a container to go beyond being a trailing
<v Speaker 1>plant and actually do some climbing. So I enjoy that plant.
<v Speaker 1>We've got to mention with steria, Stacey, and you had
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that most of the wisteria that you're going to
<v Speaker 1>find in garden centers in the United States are the Asian,
<v Speaker 1>Japanese or Chinese with steria, and not necessarily the American wisteria,
<v Speaker 1>or some people refer to it as Kentucky with steria.
<v Speaker 1>You've got to do some planning ahead if you're going
<v Speaker 1>to plant a wisteria. There's many stories of the plant
<v Speaker 1>being very aggressive, damaging structures, old pipes or water tanks,
<v Speaker 1>septic tanks, irrigation systems. Weak damaged block foundations can become
<v Speaker 1>a real issue with wisteria. So you've got to measure
<v Speaker 1>twice and cut once before you get into a wisteria
<v Speaker 1>and one of those vines that really needs you to
<v Speaker 1>show it whose boss, which includes root pruning and pruning,
<v Speaker 1>because this is a plant that can get out of.
<v Speaker 2>Hand, definitely. And speaking of whysteria getting out of hand,
<v Speaker 2>don't be confused. If you see whisteria growing in the wild,
<v Speaker 2>especially down south in warmer climates, it doesn't mean it's
<v Speaker 2>the American mysteria. The Asian mysteria are quite invasive here.
<v Speaker 2>Their seeds spread far and wide, so don't think that
<v Speaker 2>just because you see some growing way out there in
<v Speaker 2>the woods on your hike that it means you've seen
<v Speaker 2>are fabulous native whisteria. Probably I would encourage you if
<v Speaker 2>you want a whysteria. Even though the American mysteria is
<v Speaker 2>not quite as dramatically showy as the Asian one, it
<v Speaker 2>still has beautiful flowers. They just aren't as long and
<v Speaker 2>has that just amazing like tiffany lamp shade kind of look,
<v Speaker 2>but they're still lovely. And I find I have found,
<v Speaker 2>at least based on a non scientific study of plants
<v Speaker 2>around my neighborhood, that the American mysteria does flower much
<v Speaker 2>more reliably for us here than the Asian one does
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes, again it gets too much vegetative growth. It's like, eh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not flower and I'm good. Whereas some of my
<v Speaker 2>neighbors have beautiful American mysteria, the most popular one out
<v Speaker 2>there is called Amethyst Falls. It should be pretty easy
<v Speaker 2>to find and know. The flowers are not as pendulous
<v Speaker 2>and amazing, but it's still as gorgeous, and it's not
<v Speaker 2>going to be nearly the pain and menace to your
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood as the ancient types.
<v Speaker 1>I was doing some interesting reading on Here's a word
<v Speaker 1>for you subsidence when the soil actually collapses, or again
<v Speaker 1>you have foundation problems. And I was reading for insurance
<v Speaker 1>purposes some recommendations not to plant Wisteria, English ivy, bamboo,
<v Speaker 1>chameleon plant, or Japanese.
<v Speaker 2>Not those as I would also not recommend planting period,
<v Speaker 2>much less anywhere near your actual home.
<v Speaker 1>Stacy, we could do an entire show on clematists. But
<v Speaker 1>I've got to mention that, you know, there was a
<v Speaker 1>time there when growing growing clematis or clematis was kind
<v Speaker 1>of intimidating to the typical gardener. But today the new cultivars,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's Sweet Summer Love, Fuaniella, there's so many great
<v Speaker 1>you know, jolly good, happy jack. These plants really perform
<v Speaker 1>in the landscape. And the care is relatively easy.
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's not the it's not super confusing. All of
<v Speaker 2>the printing instructions that you need are on there. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, with clematis, as we often say, you don't
<v Speaker 2>have to prune it, you don't strictly need to prune it.
<v Speaker 2>We encourage you to prune them because what's going to
<v Speaker 2>happen then, or at least most of them, is you're
<v Speaker 2>going to get that beautiful curtain effect. You're going to
<v Speaker 2>have flowers from the tip to the from the bottom
<v Speaker 2>to the top rather than just at the tippy top.
<v Speaker 2>If you don't prune it, that's what is going to happen.
<v Speaker 2>So not imperative. And all of our clematis, of course,
<v Speaker 2>are you know, child and tested to be vigorous, easy
<v Speaker 2>to grow, and floriferous. And you know, we look for
<v Speaker 2>long bloom times because some clementis is fabulous as they
<v Speaker 2>may be, they bloom for like a few weeks and
<v Speaker 2>you know, a week or two and then they're out,
<v Speaker 2>and then you're just stuck with some you know, kind
<v Speaker 2>of okay looking vines for the rest of the season.
<v Speaker 1>We can't talk about vines without talking about vines grown
<v Speaker 1>from seed, whether they're moonflower, morning glory, sweet pea and
<v Speaker 1>my favorite lab lab purporeus. Oh yeah, I like the
<v Speaker 1>plant just because of the botanical name or hyacinth bean,
<v Speaker 1>ornamental twining vine, beautiful pods and flowers. I just mentioned
<v Speaker 1>at Stacey because I have had success here in Michigan
<v Speaker 1>getting the plant to come back again the following year,
<v Speaker 1>not to come back as a perennial, but rather to
<v Speaker 1>reced it. So if I leave the pods up on God.
<v Speaker 2>To love that. Yeah, how do you feel about nistertium?
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with Now there's another one that will recede
<v Speaker 1>like crazy. So that's why you know, I'm like.
<v Speaker 2>All over my garden. I love them, crazy about them.
<v Speaker 1>And put them on your dinner plate.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, delicious, beautiful, and of course they have that nice
<v Speaker 2>hot color that I always love.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>But they're not all vining. But so if you want
<v Speaker 2>a vining nasturtum, you have to get a vining mistertium.
<v Speaker 2>Some are just more bushy. But you know, I've never
<v Speaker 2>asked you about that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I'm good with them, but not.
<v Speaker 2>Your favorite, not my favorite. You're not devoting space when
<v Speaker 2>you can have your purple bean, your lab lab purpose.
<v Speaker 1>You got it real quickly. Want to mention the laniscera
<v Speaker 1>the scentsation honeysuckle, Yeah right, yeah, look for that one.
<v Speaker 1>What a great plant. And of course an aggressive twiner
<v Speaker 1>is mandavilla. There's a difference between mandavilla and Dipladinia. Dipladinia
<v Speaker 1>tends to be more shrub like, same kind of flower
<v Speaker 1>as mandavilla. But boy, if you're you know, we grow
<v Speaker 1>them in the greenhouse and hanging baskets and if they
<v Speaker 1>don't sell quickly, they've worked their way up the hangars,
<v Speaker 1>down the pipe. Got to clip them off to sell them.
<v Speaker 1>But I love man.
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm glad that that plant has really taken off
<v Speaker 2>and that we have so many cool, cool choices with that.
<v Speaker 2>Is it time to twine down the show?
<v Speaker 1>Oh? You know, I had a really good pun to
<v Speaker 1>end the show with.
<v Speaker 2>But did I steal up?
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not stealing thunder. I'm not going to use
<v Speaker 1>it because I think that that is perfect. As a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I'll let you close off the show.
<v Speaker 2>And on that note, I love it. Thank you so much, Rick,
<v Speaker 2>thank you Adriana, and thanks so much to all of
<v Speaker 2>you for listening. We truly appreciate it and hope you
<v Speaker 2>have a wonderful We cut