Ghostbusters (1984) vs. Gremlins (1984): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome back to the Shirley Can't Be
<v Speaker 1>Serious Podcast. We are back again to talk about two
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest movies in nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're doing our series on nineteen eighty four, and
<v Speaker 2>I just got to say, it may seem like we
<v Speaker 2>had some really great planning, but this is really just
<v Speaker 2>pure divine intervention that these things ended up this way.
<v Speaker 2>We're doing Brimlin's, We're doing Ghostbusters. We had planned to
<v Speaker 2>do those in October, we rearranged the schedule because the
<v Speaker 2>new Top Gun movie fell out, and so we're like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>let's put this with this, which stuck it in between
<v Speaker 2>Huey Lewis and The News and Born in the USA
<v Speaker 2>and Footloose and Purple Rain, and we're like, wait, all
<v Speaker 2>of these things are nineteen eighty four. What an incredible
<v Speaker 2>year this is. We're doing an entire six part series
<v Speaker 2>all things that happened in nineteen eighty four, and so
<v Speaker 2>this is how we have summer of nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Last week, we hope you enjoyed our sports versus Born
<v Speaker 1>in the USA.
<v Speaker 2>I thought that turned out really well.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>This week we're going to talk about.
<v Speaker 1>Really two gigantic movies that came out on the.
<v Speaker 2>Same day, the same day. Again, we totally were like,
<v Speaker 2>what movie do we compare to Ghostbusters? Because Ghostbusters is iconic,
<v Speaker 2>and we're like, what movie do we compare to Grimlins.
<v Speaker 2>We're like, oh, they're perfect, They're comedy sci fi. Let's
<v Speaker 2>do that released on the same day. How we didn't
<v Speaker 2>even know it? Amazing, amazing. Okay, before we get going,
<v Speaker 2>I got a little bit of a non humble brag,
<v Speaker 2>like just a regular brag. Yeah, Okay, So I was
<v Speaker 2>looking and we are the number one film podcast in
<v Speaker 2>Brunei and Brunei and Brunei, na I don't. I got
<v Speaker 2>to say hello to all of our listeners in Brunei.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to us. We really appreciate that
<v Speaker 2>I do not know as much about your country as
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to, and so I decided to look it up.
<v Speaker 2>Looked up BRUNEI, sent you the information and you sent
<v Speaker 2>it back with the date of formation circled and what
<v Speaker 2>year was it? Nineteen eighty four? Nineteen eighty four. Was
<v Speaker 2>that a coincidence? I think not, so. Thank you, Brunei.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you to everybody else who's listening to us all
<v Speaker 2>over the world. We love you all. We've really been
<v Speaker 2>humbled by and overwhelmed by the amount of folks that
<v Speaker 2>we have taken part in this fun journey with us.
<v Speaker 2>So thank you very much. And without further ado, let's
<v Speaker 2>jump into Ghostbusters and Criminals. We came, we saw, we
<v Speaker 2>kicked it that you have.
<v Speaker 4>Freaking Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Since these two movies came out on the same day,
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't figure out which one to start with, and
<v Speaker 2>so as I was going through the note skin today,
<v Speaker 2>I decided, let's start with the one that has the
<v Speaker 2>guy from Oklahoma in it. Okay, Grimlins, Yes, all right.
<v Speaker 3>Don't ever feed him after midnight.
<v Speaker 2>Mister Hoyd Accident is from Oklahoma. We'll get into all
<v Speaker 2>of that fun history a little bit later on in
<v Speaker 2>the episode, but let's begin with Grimlins.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so before we get into the plot and different
<v Speaker 1>details and tidbits and stuff like that. Grimlins and ghost
<v Speaker 1>Boasters were both released June eighth, nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>I was shocked.
<v Speaker 1>I know that Steven Spielberg produced Grimlins, Joe Dante directed it,
<v Speaker 1>and Chris Columbus was the writer.
<v Speaker 2>These are three heavy hitters.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well they weren't at the time, they weren't.
<v Speaker 2>Well, Spielberg was Spielberg, yes, but not Joe Dante and
<v Speaker 2>certainly not Chris Columbus. Right that the story starts with
<v Speaker 2>Chris Columbus And if you don't know, Chris Columbus is
<v Speaker 2>the guy who directed Ventures and Babysitting the Home Alons
<v Speaker 2>the Harry Potter series. I mean he's a big time.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, he's a big time. But at the
<v Speaker 2>time that this all started, he was a guy living
<v Speaker 2>in a loft apartment that was infested by mice. Just
<v Speaker 2>to give a little history, both his parents were factory workers,
<v Speaker 2>but they encouraged him in his love for film, and
<v Speaker 2>so after high school he went on to study at
<v Speaker 2>NYU's Film School, where he was the schoolmate of Charlie
<v Speaker 2>Kaufman and Alec Baldwin talked about a couple of guys
<v Speaker 2>that became vicators as well. Although he received a scholarship,
<v Speaker 2>he forgot to renew it and he was forced to
<v Speaker 2>take a factory job himself in order to pay for schooling.
<v Speaker 2>And so while he was on his shifts, he secretly
<v Speaker 2>worked on this twenty page screenplay, which one of his
<v Speaker 2>teachers later helped him to get an agent with and
<v Speaker 2>that's how ultimately he was able to get the script
<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to tell you about in front of
<v Speaker 2>mister Steven Spielberg. Okay, so he had a roommate he said,
<v Speaker 2>you love these monster movies, why don't you just write
<v Speaker 2>a monster movie? And so at the time, he was
<v Speaker 2>living in this loft apartment that was infested by mice,
<v Speaker 2>and so he falls asleep with his hand hanging off
<v Speaker 2>the bed and he wakes up as he feels them
<v Speaker 2>like scurrying across his fingers, and he's like petrified that
<v Speaker 2>they're going to start nibbling on his fingers. So he
<v Speaker 2>decides to write this story about a house that is
<v Speaker 2>infested with tiny monsters. The original version of the script
<v Speaker 2>is much more terrifying than what we got. Mom's severed
<v Speaker 2>head comes rolling down the stairs, the dog gets eaten.
<v Speaker 2>Billy and Kate walk into a McDonald's and like, all
<v Speaker 2>the food's still there, but all the customers are eating.
<v Speaker 5>It was pretty rough. But he takes the name from
<v Speaker 5>the little creatures his.
<v Speaker 2>Dad would talk about, because you know, his dad is
<v Speaker 2>a World War two era eye so his dad would
<v Speaker 2>blame all of the problems with the car on these
<v Speaker 2>little Grimlins, just like Murray in the movie Murray Futterman does.
<v Speaker 5>This is what his dad does, So he names these
<v Speaker 5>guys Grimlins.
<v Speaker 2>Now, you may remember that there's some old Bugs Bunny
<v Speaker 2>cartoons that have a Grimlin in it. It's a reference
<v Speaker 2>to the old World War II thing that Murray Futterman
<v Speaker 2>would talk about, the you know, the big one WWII.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh, yeah, for sure, I told you earlier. I
<v Speaker 1>am a lover of the old Looney Tunes, so I'm
<v Speaker 1>very familiar.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was called falling hair yep.
<v Speaker 6>A constant menace to pilot at the Rimlins brick planes
<v Speaker 6>with the Dieppo little Sabeji, This.
<v Speaker 1>Little goofy, little green guy drives Bugs Bunny crazy and
<v Speaker 1>scares him to death and tries to crash the plane
<v Speaker 1>the whole time Bugs Bunny.
<v Speaker 2>Is on the plane. Yes, one of the few Bugs
<v Speaker 2>Bunny cartoons where Bugs Bunny is like the losing end
<v Speaker 2>of the cartoon the whole he gets worked over by
<v Speaker 2>this guy.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So, Chris Columbus, he lives in New York City at
<v Speaker 2>the time, and he's poor as can be, and he
<v Speaker 2>loves going down to Chinatown to buy stuff because you
<v Speaker 2>can get food cheap, and he's fascinated by all the
<v Speaker 2>little hidden shops and that's kind of where the okay,
<v Speaker 2>the intro to the movie comes from. And so while
<v Speaker 2>he's down there, one day, he finds a Chinese dictionary
<v Speaker 2>and he looks up the name for devil in the
<v Speaker 2>Chinese dictionary and the word is magwai nice. So he
<v Speaker 2>completes the script. He sends it to his agent and
<v Speaker 2>it is rejected by about forty five different producers. Six
<v Speaker 2>to eight weeks go by and his roommate comes in
<v Speaker 2>the room and says, Steven Spielberg is on the phone.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, okay, whatever, Yeah, you're right. So it's just
<v Speaker 2>like the Michael Jacksonaty van Halen story. It's that, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you know, no, this is really really he was really
<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg. So his script had ended up on Spielberg's
<v Speaker 2>desk in like this giant stack of scripts.
<v Speaker 5>And Spielberg takes it home for the weekend.
<v Speaker 2>And so this is where Chris Columbus looks at He's
<v Speaker 2>looking over these scripts and he notices the name, not
<v Speaker 2>the name Grimlins, the name Chris Columbus.
<v Speaker 5>Because he's like, is this guy really Chrish?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's his given name. Is his given name is
<v Speaker 2>Chris Columbus. So he's like, that's what piqued his interest
<v Speaker 2>to pick up the script and wow, the Weekend reads
<v Speaker 2>it and he says this, it was a delightful, like
<v Speaker 2>a candy store full of devilish mischief. And so he's like,
<v Speaker 2>I want to make this movie. And that's why he's
<v Speaker 2>calling Chris and his tiny mouse infested home. That is
<v Speaker 2>a great story.
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned to you that I thought maybe there was
<v Speaker 1>a connection to the Twilight Zone movie because Joe Dante
<v Speaker 1>had written and directed one of the episodes shown in
<v Speaker 1>the Twilight Zone movie. Steven Spielberg had produced the Twilight
<v Speaker 1>Zone the movie. Yes, there's the most scary impactful episode
<v Speaker 1>John Litkow footloose right, and there's the gremlin on the
<v Speaker 1>wing of the plane.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, original Twilight Zone episode of that had
<v Speaker 2>mister William Shatner exactly. Now, Dan Aykroyd is also in
<v Speaker 2>Twilight Zone. The movie is connection to you, Ustbusters, you
<v Speaker 2>want to see something really scared?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean so I thought maybe that those guys
<v Speaker 1>saw that movie and thought hey, let's make a movie
<v Speaker 1>about Grimlin.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that Spielberg definitely had a lot of
<v Speaker 2>influence over how the story went. It's obviously hyper violent
<v Speaker 2>ratedar movie, but Spielberg wants it to be a more
<v Speaker 2>family friendly kind of movie, and so he gets them
<v Speaker 2>to tone down the script. Now, I've heard that Spielberg
<v Speaker 2>had this kind of idea of an Et part two
<v Speaker 2>where these other Et beings come down to Earth and
<v Speaker 2>it turns out they're bad aliens instead of good aliens,
<v Speaker 2>and so it's this kind of Et and Elliott against
<v Speaker 2>all of the bad aliens. And so I think probably
<v Speaker 2>what happened is he took that concept to Chris Columbus's
<v Speaker 2>script with Grimlins, and it's like, let's make this the story.
<v Speaker 5>Because Chris Columbus says he's.
<v Speaker 2>The one who said Gizmo should remain a radio, remained
<v Speaker 2>the Mogwire, not turn into the Grimlin. He should remain
<v Speaker 2>the sweet, cute thing that we can all love throughout
<v Speaker 2>the movie. So he tells he gives this idea to
<v Speaker 2>Chris Columbus make it more family friendly. But important note
<v Speaker 2>here it's really still pretty dang violent.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting that you bring that up because Indiana
<v Speaker 1>Jonespan Temple of Doom came out May twenty third third,
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty four, so two weeks before Gremlins. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>there was already some of these rumblings about do we
<v Speaker 1>have a PG and an R and then something in between?
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, there was a big outcry, like after Temple
<v Speaker 2>of Doom and after Grimlins, parents were pretty upset, right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've got spoiler alert in the end of Gremlins.
<v Speaker 2>You've got Stripe melting down to a skeleton in this
<v Speaker 2>kind of awful, bubbly mess, not to mention the blender
<v Speaker 2>scene and the microwave scene. So a lot of parents
<v Speaker 2>walked into PG thinking, Hey, I can send my kid
<v Speaker 2>in here and not even have to be with them,
<v Speaker 2>because PG just meant a babysitter, right right, and so
<v Speaker 2>pretty shocking. I didn't see it when I was a kid. Well,
<v Speaker 2>but Temple of Doom, even Temple of Doom, you've got
<v Speaker 2>to Jim pulling out a heart, yes, and which burns
<v Speaker 2>burns in his hand as the guys dipped into law.
<v Speaker 2>That was that was a little scary. Yes, it was intense.
<v Speaker 1>It was intense, Yes, not to mention monkey brains and
<v Speaker 1>eating roaches and all that stuff that's upsetting the kids.
<v Speaker 2>So whenever all of this starts happening, Spielberg is the
<v Speaker 2>one that speaks up and says, you know what, you're right,
<v Speaker 2>we should have a different rating that's in between PG
<v Speaker 2>and R. Why don't we do a PG thirteen so
<v Speaker 2>that parents will know, hey, this isn't appropriate for little kids, right,
<v Speaker 2>the kids should probably be at least a teenager before
<v Speaker 2>they watched this.
<v Speaker 1>I read the article and it was so long ago
<v Speaker 1>that it was calling it PG two. It's like the
<v Speaker 1>sequel to PG gart. Yes, it's a little pgere than PG.
<v Speaker 2>You know, PGG.
<v Speaker 5>So you know what the first movie was that was
<v Speaker 5>rated PG thirteen?
<v Speaker 2>Is it Red Don? You got it? Red Don nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty four? Got it? Yes? Same year? Same year? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so Spielberg, then he's got Chris Columbus reworking the script,
<v Speaker 2>which he rewrote the script about ten times before they
<v Speaker 2>finally got what was the filming script. And so he
<v Speaker 2>needs now a director. As you mentioned, he had worked
<v Speaker 2>with Joe Dante on the Twilight Zone. As far as
<v Speaker 2>I can tell, Spielberg's a pretty hands off producer. So
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of like, he's our guy that's gonna
<v Speaker 2>direct this episode. So do you know which episode of
<v Speaker 2>Twilight his own Joe Dante did? Was it the Elderly People? No, No,
<v Speaker 2>it's the one remember the kid that's like has sign powers,
<v Speaker 2>I can do anything he wants. His sister has no mouth. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>that was maybe the most terrified creepy yeah. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>Joe Dante had done this is interesting. He had done
<v Speaker 2>back in seventy eight, had done the movie Parana, which
<v Speaker 2>he fully says is a total ripoff, like this was.
<v Speaker 2>He was back with Roger Corman. Then, okay, we've talked
<v Speaker 2>about Roger Corman. He was Roger Corman was the producer
<v Speaker 2>of all of the Gorilla Style. You know, let's make
<v Speaker 2>this movie for ten thousand dollar and we're still going
<v Speaker 2>to make one hundred thousand on it, So that's a
<v Speaker 2>ninety thousand dollars profit, right, I mean, it's just right,
<v Speaker 2>that's good math. He the book, Roger Corman's book is
<v Speaker 2>I've made one hundred movies and none of them have
<v Speaker 2>lost money, you know, yeah, but they're all cheap. They're
<v Speaker 2>own yeah, or knockoffs. And so Joe Dante was the
<v Speaker 2>one who did the knockoff of Spielberg's Jaws. Yeah. So
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting that later on he's like, well, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I liked the knockoff of my script. I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>put that guy on episode number three in the Twilight Zone,
<v Speaker 2>which was written by Are you ready for this? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Richard Matheson Ah, who is the father of Christopher Matheson.
<v Speaker 1>Who wrote Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure Excellent. All right, Hi,
<v Speaker 1>one quick tidbit before I forget it. When you're talking
<v Speaker 1>about Joe Dante and Chris Columbus and Steven Spielberg.
<v Speaker 2>Joe Dante was still in the.
<v Speaker 1>In the process of trying to keep Steven Spielberg impressed, right, sure,
<v Speaker 1>And so one of the things that he did is
<v Speaker 1>on the movie theater in Grimlins, the Marquee shows two
<v Speaker 1>movies being played. One is Watch the Skies and one
<v Speaker 1>is A Boy's Life. Yes, and a Boy's Life was
<v Speaker 1>the original working title for et right, and Watched the
<v Speaker 1>Skies was the original working title for Close Encounters of
<v Speaker 1>the Third Time yep. And he said, the only reason
<v Speaker 1>I did that is because I wanted to put a
<v Speaker 1>smile on STEVENS.
<v Speaker 2>Bielberg's face when he was watching dailies. Right. Obviously, he
<v Speaker 2>did a good job on Twilight Zone, but he had
<v Speaker 2>also in nineteen eighty one he had done one of
<v Speaker 2>the two mega werewolf movies that we will be covering
<v Speaker 2>in October, yes, called The Howling. It was based on
<v Speaker 2>the novel by Gary Brander and it had been written
<v Speaker 2>for the screen by John Sales, who had been the
<v Speaker 2>writer on Purana.
<v Speaker 1>John Sales who directed the Born in the USA video.
<v Speaker 2>Bingo boom, how about that?
<v Speaker 6>So?
<v Speaker 2>And also I just love this. So I came across
<v Speaker 2>this old video of Joe Dante and one of the
<v Speaker 2>actors and one of the actresses from Karana talks and
<v Speaker 2>he's talked, and like three quarters through he pulls out
<v Speaker 2>this little creature and says, this is one of the
<v Speaker 2>creatures that we use. He's kind of been out of
<v Speaker 2>shape because they're using him, like Phil Tibbott did all
<v Speaker 2>of our creatures for Piranha, and now he's using this
<v Speaker 2>in Star Wars too. Wow. Wow, that is so cool
<v Speaker 2>to go back to see that. So he had directed
<v Speaker 2>The Howling. It did obviously did well, fantastic movie, but
<v Speaker 2>it was it did make him a millionaire, Okay, he
<v Speaker 2>ended up directing some TV series. You know what this
<v Speaker 2>He directed some of the episodes of Police Squad, precursor
<v Speaker 2>to the Naked Gun movie. Wow, that's fantastic. You know
<v Speaker 2>why he didn't have any money? I heard this? Oh no, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>tell so the reason why he was broke.
<v Speaker 1>And kind of shockingly so after the Howling had done well,
<v Speaker 1>that company, the company that produced The Howling, yeah with bankrupt.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, and.
<v Speaker 1>So he was shorted on his salary.
<v Speaker 2>I do remember hearing that. That's right, I've forgotten about that.
<v Speaker 2>What's interesting is he's got a huge respect for the screenwriter,
<v Speaker 2>and so he wants to make sure that screenwriter is
<v Speaker 2>there on set the whole time, which doesn't typically happen.
<v Speaker 2>So the way he works his way around it is
<v Speaker 2>he will cast the screenwriter as a part in his
<v Speaker 2>movie so that he can say he's, you know, he's
<v Speaker 2>on set as an actor.
<v Speaker 5>But then he's got him there as a sounding word
<v Speaker 5>as a creative.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fantastic. So anyway, he is poor, sitting
<v Speaker 2>in this ratty office, barely hanging on, wondering where his
<v Speaker 2>next job is coming from. When Steven Spielberg sends him
<v Speaker 2>the script and so he and his partner named Mike
<v Speaker 2>Fanell try to figure out how to make it. Mike
<v Speaker 2>had also worked with Roger Corman before, but one of
<v Speaker 2>the first movies that he did without Corman was the
<v Speaker 2>movie Airplane, in which he is listed to the end
<v Speaker 2>credits as generally in charge of a lot of things.
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a Zucker credit right there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Joe Nante Mike Fanell confer on this and
<v Speaker 2>they decide they're going to take this horrific movie and
<v Speaker 2>they're going to put it in a Norman.
<v Speaker 3>Rock wall paint.
<v Speaker 2>Nice. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, one of the things I wanted to
<v Speaker 1>mention before Steven Spielberg settled on Joe Dante, one of
<v Speaker 1>the guys that he considered as director.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tim Burton, Yeah, I heard about that, but Burton
<v Speaker 2>hadn't done any full featured film at that point. And
<v Speaker 2>so no, sir, No, all the beauty of what Jodande
<v Speaker 2>has done here is this kind of juxtaposing of things.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've got comedy and horror, putting all of
<v Speaker 2>these devils inside of American It's like the nineteen fifties, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's like November nineteen fifty five.
<v Speaker 1>Remember Fifth nineteen fifty five, which when you watch Grimlins
<v Speaker 1>and you look around and you see that town square,
<v Speaker 1>if you don't recognize it, you need to go watch
<v Speaker 1>Back to the Future right now exactly.
<v Speaker 5>I mean that was the first thing when I sat
<v Speaker 5>down to rewatch this again.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I had ever seen the beginning part
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, like I'd always it was all it
<v Speaker 2>was like when it was on, I try to watch it,
<v Speaker 2>but I never sat down and watched Scrimblins from beginning
<v Speaker 2>to end until we started to do this. But when
<v Speaker 2>that first scene started and she's walking through the town,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I recognize this town. Yeah. And when I
<v Speaker 2>when I you know, went back and looked again, I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>there's the clock tower. There's a freaking clock tower right there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's like seeing my hometown. I'm like, hey, let's got
<v Speaker 2>the future. That's Hill Valley, Till Valley. Okay, we're ready
<v Speaker 2>to talk about Ghostbuster's origin stories.
<v Speaker 7>Let's talk about ghost closure supports.
<v Speaker 1>For whatever reason, Ray call it Ay, call it long,
<v Speaker 1>call it karma.
<v Speaker 5>I believe that everything happens for a reason.
<v Speaker 2>I believe that we were destined to get thrown out
<v Speaker 2>of his dump.
<v Speaker 7>For what purpose to go into business for ourselves?
<v Speaker 1>We're right.
<v Speaker 2>So dan Ackroyd had started on the script for this
<v Speaker 2>one back in late nineteen eighty one, and it was
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be a project for him and John Belushi
<v Speaker 2>and Eddie Murphy.
<v Speaker 1>Can we just sit and think about the movie that
<v Speaker 1>could have been that ulternate universe where a movie starring
<v Speaker 1>Dan Akrod, John Valish and Eddie Murphy as ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I first heard about Eddie Murphy, what I
<v Speaker 2>had heard was that he was supposed to be in
<v Speaker 2>the Winston Zedmore Park. It wasn't that. It turns out
<v Speaker 2>he had imagined him from the beginning. It was just
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be only three ghostbusters, and it was entirely different.
<v Speaker 2>It would have been that they were traveling through different
<v Speaker 2>times and dimensions. It took place in the future. It
<v Speaker 2>was a completely different script. It was a huge, huge story.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, they said that if they would have shot
<v Speaker 1>the script as it was from dan Aker, it cost
<v Speaker 1>like three hundred million dollars in nineteen eighty four money,
<v Speaker 1>which is outrageous, I mean a ton of money.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So then tragically, as he's writing a line of
<v Speaker 2>dialogue for John Belushi. He gets a call from a
<v Speaker 2>friend who says John's gone, So he's passed away. It
<v Speaker 2>obviously costs away too much money to do the script
<v Speaker 2>the way that he's written it, and so once he
<v Speaker 2>talks to Ivan Rightman about it, they have a meeting
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes a completely different script. But let's talk
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about how Akroyd came up with the
<v Speaker 2>idea in the first place. Yes, let's do it, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Dan Ackroyd had grown up like in a family of
<v Speaker 2>mediums and seance parlor type of folks, Like his grandfather
<v Speaker 2>was a guy who had talked to people about maybe
<v Speaker 2>making a radio with crystals that could communicate with the dead.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it was a big thing in his family.
<v Speaker 2>And if you listen to him talk about it, this
<v Speaker 2>is an incredibly intelligent guy who fully thinks that if
<v Speaker 2>we devoted more true scientific thought to the afterlife and
<v Speaker 2>communicating with the afterlife, that we could actually arrive with something.
<v Speaker 2>So he's got that background right, and then he starts
<v Speaker 2>thinking about all of those old ghosts like the app
<v Speaker 2>and Costello movies from the forties and fifties, and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>what if I kind of took those things and put
<v Speaker 2>them together. It took the much deeper and more factually
<v Speaker 2>based stuff and combines it with that silliness of going
<v Speaker 2>out and catching ghosts. So just like Grimlins, the script
<v Speaker 2>here was much darker, much more about the underworld. Although
<v Speaker 2>Steve Puff marshmallow Man was in the original script.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, it's the stay Puff marshmellow Man.
<v Speaker 2>You know who else was in the original script? Moogli movie? Yes,
<v Speaker 2>do you know who Moogley is? Fimer No. Moogli is
<v Speaker 2>the logo the ghost with the circle and the slash.
<v Speaker 2>He's got his name, and he's got a name, and
<v Speaker 2>his name is Moogli. And that that logo was already
<v Speaker 2>in dan Akroid's original script. That is one of the
<v Speaker 2>most iconic features of the whole thing. Did you have
<v Speaker 2>a button? Did you have a like a no ghosts
<v Speaker 2>button when you were a kid?
<v Speaker 1>I had a shirt, yeah, that had the ghost with
<v Speaker 1>the slash threat.
<v Speaker 2>I had. I had a button like a pin you
<v Speaker 2>know button, Yeah, that had the ghost the slash through
<v Speaker 2>that was covered in slime and it said I've in slime. Nice.
<v Speaker 2>I remember that I had it on my gene jacket
<v Speaker 2>that I had gotten after I'd seen back the Future. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so Staypuffman appeared like thirty four pages in. He wasn't
<v Speaker 2>the end of the movie. Like I said, The Ghostbusters
<v Speaker 2>were traveling through.
<v Speaker 5>Multiple times and dimensions.
<v Speaker 2>And he's diving into his upbringing with these mediums and
<v Speaker 2>spiritualists and he goes really deep. So his dad, Peter Ackroid,
<v Speaker 2>actually has a book called a History of Ghosts and
<v Speaker 2>he describes his childhood as a family seance parlor. His grandfather,
<v Speaker 2>doctor Samuel Ackroyd, actually worked with Samuel Morris on the
<v Speaker 2>possibility of creating a telegraph that would use vibrating crystals
<v Speaker 2>that could communicate with the dead, the radio for speaking
<v Speaker 2>to God. So he's got this script and Ivan Rightman
<v Speaker 2>takes a look at it and he's like, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>let's have lunch. They go to a deli. He's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we can't make this script, right, how about this? How
<v Speaker 2>about it to going into business for ourselves kind of script?
<v Speaker 2>And he talks to him about the idea, right yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, and maybe we bring over Harold
<v Speaker 2>and have him help out with the rewriting of the script.
<v Speaker 2>Ivan Rightman, now he's like, got Dan Akroid's idea. He
<v Speaker 2>knows Acroage's willing to work around with it, so he
<v Speaker 2>has to make a pitch to Columbia to get the
<v Speaker 2>movie made. So he doesn't pitch Dan's script. He pitches
<v Speaker 2>the storyline as he's envisioned it, but he doesn't have
<v Speaker 2>the script yet, and so Frank Price from Columbia says, okay,
<v Speaker 2>seems interesting. How much to make it? And Ivan Rightman says,
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea, so I thought, okay, the one
<v Speaker 2>successful movie that I've done so far as Stripes, and
<v Speaker 2>it costs ten million, so this will be three of those.
<v Speaker 2>So thirty million, that's what he says. Then, and he says,
<v Speaker 2>and then Frank Pryce says, okay, we'll do it, just
<v Speaker 2>need you to have it released by June of eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>We got one, well, this was May of nineteen eighty three.
<v Speaker 2>Ivan Rightman hangs up the phone and he's thinking, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they said yes, And then he's thinking, oh crap, we
<v Speaker 2>only have thirteen months to release and we don't have
<v Speaker 2>a script, we don't have a special effects team.
<v Speaker 5>And we don't have all of our stars yet.
<v Speaker 2>Don't get busy. Yeah, okay, no special effects team ILM
<v Speaker 2>is involved with this other movie that's being made at the.
<v Speaker 1>Time, Indiana Jones of the Tembla Doom Yes, yeah, kind
<v Speaker 1>of a big deal.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and consumed ILM. So they have to come up
<v Speaker 2>with their own special effects team. So Columbia fronts Richard Edlund,
<v Speaker 2>who had been with ILM and who was ready to
<v Speaker 2>get out and do something on his own. They front
<v Speaker 2>him five million dollars as a part of the thirty
<v Speaker 2>million to have him start his own special effects company,
<v Speaker 2>which becomes Boss Films.
<v Speaker 5>Throw back to Fright Night.
<v Speaker 2>They are the guys who, right after Ghostbusters, took all
<v Speaker 2>of their stuff and went over and made Fright Night. Nice.
<v Speaker 2>So here's some new stuff that I discovered on Richard Edlin.
<v Speaker 2>Right his first filmmaking job, he was hired as a
<v Speaker 2>cameraman by John Dykstra for the movie Star Wars. Nice. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>So throw back to our Caddyshack episode John Dykstra in
<v Speaker 2>the you know, in addition to being like gigantic in allthings,
<v Speaker 2>he was also the guy that created the gopher for Caddyshack,
<v Speaker 2>the dancing goverh Okay, So but get this, here's the
<v Speaker 2>deep deep, here's the hope. This blows your mind. You're ready, Rea. Okay, So,
<v Speaker 2>Richard Edlin, the guy who did all of the special
<v Speaker 2>effects for Ghostbusters and all of the special effects for
<v Speaker 2>Fright Night, was married to a woman named Rita Cogan
<v Speaker 2>who was the daughter of Michael Cogan, who was the
<v Speaker 2>founder of Tauch And if you don't recognize that name,
<v Speaker 2>it's the company that did Space Invaders. Mind blown. That's
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome. I mean, I mean, how that's pretty close.
<v Speaker 2>So go back to throw back again, throw back to
<v Speaker 2>our history of video games episodes. Go check that out
<v Speaker 2>so you can hear the whole history of Space Invaders there.
<v Speaker 2>That is amazing. Okay, so we know that the movie
<v Speaker 2>is called Ghostbusters, Yes, but it wasn't going to be
<v Speaker 2>called Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there were multiple names.
<v Speaker 2>But do you know why.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there was an old, stupid seventies television show
<v Speaker 1>and cartoon yep called Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know that.
<v Speaker 7>I'm calling gouss.
<v Speaker 2>The Ghostbusters nineteen seven seventies children's show that was owned
<v Speaker 2>by Universal. Remember, Columbia is the one that's trying to
<v Speaker 2>do it, and they keep trying to get the rights
<v Speaker 2>from Universal, and Universal says, no, Ryan, you've got a
<v Speaker 2>really great movie, and I don't want you to have
<v Speaker 2>a great title. You know, we're competitors, right, right, And
<v Speaker 2>so options for other names included ghost Stoppers, ghost breakers, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>ghost smashers. This is going on while they're filming, right,
<v Speaker 2>They still don't they're not sure. And so that scene
<v Speaker 2>where the crowd is chanting Ghostbusters, ghosts, they had to
<v Speaker 2>have them chant ghost breakers sucked. It sucked. You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's like the guy, the second unit guy is like
<v Speaker 2>calling up. He's like, listen to this, and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>it's terrible. We have to have Ghostbusters. And so from
<v Speaker 2>that point on they're just like, it's gonna be Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's gonna happen, but it's gonna be Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 1>Ghostbusters. What do you want?
<v Speaker 2>Well, as it turns out, Frank Price did have enough
<v Speaker 2>of Columbia. He was done with them during the filming
<v Speaker 2>of Ghostbusters, and he just happened to become the head
<v Speaker 2>of another studio called Universal, at which point he sold
<v Speaker 2>Columbia the title for five hundred thousand dollars plus one
<v Speaker 2>percent of film's profits. Nice job. Given Hollywood's accounting practices.
<v Speaker 2>The film technically never made a profit. But that's just
<v Speaker 2>the way that that works.
<v Speaker 1>You can side note, Yes, thirty million or so budget
<v Speaker 1>for Ghostbusters. Yeah, it made two hundred ninety five million dollars. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>is the second biggest movie of nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 2>First movie. Okay, so here's my tie in. You ready
<v Speaker 2>for this?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Okay. If you lived in nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 1>Four, it was this huge phenomenon, right, it was the
<v Speaker 1>gigantic movie of nineteen eighty four. And for me, when
<v Speaker 1>I saw that it was the second biggest movie of
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, I'm like, what the crap?
<v Speaker 2>Was bigger? Right? Okay in nineteen eighty four?
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, remember the third Ghostbuster originally Eddie Murphy. He
<v Speaker 1>left Ghostbusters to go make this little movie called Beverly
<v Speaker 1>Hills comp Now, that didn't come out until December of
<v Speaker 1>eighty four, right, but technically because it was at least
<v Speaker 1>in eighty four at all, and all of the products.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you talk about the Ghostbuster's name that was
<v Speaker 1>owned by that seventies show that I was telling you about.
<v Speaker 1>The company was named Filmation, Yeah, okay, which you may
<v Speaker 1>recognize as they produced the TV show the animated show.
<v Speaker 2>He man, Oh yeah, that's right, right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So at one point the biggest opponents to Ghostbusters were
<v Speaker 1>Coca Cola and he.
<v Speaker 2>Man, it's an eighties battle to end all that I
<v Speaker 2>have the power. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I wanted to mention the
<v Speaker 1>originally both of these movies were intended to be more
<v Speaker 1>adult movies, like they were supposed to be R rated,
<v Speaker 1>both of them. And Spielberg came in and softened Grimlins
<v Speaker 1>and then you know Ghostbusters. They ivan rightman, kind of
<v Speaker 1>softened Ghostbusters.
<v Speaker 5>Yep, yeah, no, I mean we I wouldn't have been
<v Speaker 5>able to watch them as a kid.
<v Speaker 2>Nope. So talking about Harold Ramis, he was obviously not
<v Speaker 2>only just a very intelligent guy, but he was an
<v Speaker 2>experienced director, an experienced writer. He had also been a
<v Speaker 2>second city guy, and so his improv skills were on point.
<v Speaker 2>So the scene this is one of my favorites, the
<v Speaker 2>scene where Bill Murray where Peter Linkman comes into the
<v Speaker 2>library and Egon is listening to the table with the
<v Speaker 2>out loud and he says, there's something that's not related
<v Speaker 2>to this at all, but he's like, this is like
<v Speaker 2>that one time that you tried to drill a whole
<v Speaker 2>through your head.
<v Speaker 5>You remember that, and with I mean there's not a
<v Speaker 5>beat missed.
<v Speaker 2>That was an improv thing from Bill Murray without missing
<v Speaker 2>a beat, Harold raymis is like that would have worked
<v Speaker 2>if you hadn't stopped, Like what's so good? Very good?
<v Speaker 2>So good? Okay. So I say all that because I
<v Speaker 2>want you to know that I hold Harold Ramis in
<v Speaker 2>the highest regard. But I found out some really interesting
<v Speaker 2>stuff completely unrelated to what we're talking about, but it's
<v Speaker 2>just fascinating. So in March of eighty three, right before
<v Speaker 2>all of this starts, like May is when i'mon Wrten's
<v Speaker 2>making the pitch to Frank Price. Right in March of
<v Speaker 2>that year, Harold Ramis has a close friend named Peter Ivers,
<v Speaker 2>who's a fantastic musician that's been connected with a ton
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. Muddy Waters had called him the best hard
<v Speaker 2>player around. I mean he's a significant guy. Well, he
<v Speaker 2>was found bludgend to death in his apartment, and because
<v Speaker 2>he had this close relationship with Harold's wife, Ann, Harold
<v Speaker 2>Ramis was actually a suspect in the murder for just
<v Speaker 2>a brief period of time, which is weird enough, right,
<v Speaker 2>that's weird enough. He got cleared he had an alibi.
<v Speaker 2>That's fine. But then after the movie has done shooting,
<v Speaker 2>he takes Peter Iver's job as a host of this
<v Speaker 2>new show that they're developing. Has to He tries to
<v Speaker 2>get Bill Murray to come in to host the first show.
<v Speaker 2>Bill Murray can't make it because Ghostbusters shooting late, so
<v Speaker 2>he gets chevy Chase to come in and host the
<v Speaker 2>first show. Chevy Chase gets in a physical fistfight with
<v Speaker 2>somebody in the audience on the very first show. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's nuts.
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, this is so good, it's deserving of its
<v Speaker 5>own episode.
<v Speaker 2>But I just I just wanted to say that that
<v Speaker 2>was really bizarre to know that right where when all
<v Speaker 2>of these things were happening, herold Ramis was a suspect.
<v Speaker 5>In a murder case that has remained unsolved to this day.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you brought up chevy Chase, and I know we're
<v Speaker 1>going to get into casting here in a second, But
<v Speaker 1>Harold Ramis and Caddy Shack and chevy Chase flashbacktor our
<v Speaker 1>Caddy Scheck episode right. Chevy Chase was considered for the
<v Speaker 1>role of Peter Bankman in Ghostbusters right, Okay, chevy Chase. Also,
<v Speaker 1>Chris Columbus was going to direct Christmas Vacation, but he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I can't work with this jerk.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Talking about chevy Chase. Right, as far as I
<v Speaker 2>can tell, everyone in Hollywood hates him, it's pretty amazing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so you want to go into casting.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, let's go back to Grimlins and start talking about casting.
<v Speaker 2>Let's go back to Grimas.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I don't kill it, all.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So casting the lead of Billy is Zach Gallaghan.
<v Speaker 1>When he auditioned, Yes, he auditioned with Phoebe Kates.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>He just sat down next to her. He put his
<v Speaker 1>head on her shoulder and they kind of cuddled. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>And Steven Spilberg's like, look, they already love each other. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're cast, that's it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's an unknown.
<v Speaker 5>So they'd considered some other guys too, right.
<v Speaker 1>So they had considered a couple of other guys, a
<v Speaker 1>couple of other names that you might recognize, Emilio Estevez, right,
<v Speaker 1>this is before Breakfast.
<v Speaker 2>Club and Jued Neilson. Oh yeah yeah yeah, prior to
<v Speaker 2>Breakfast Club. Yeah, kind of interesting. Yeah, I could see
<v Speaker 2>either one of those guys in this part. But I
<v Speaker 2>think they both kind of have an edgier bit about
<v Speaker 2>them that Zach doesn't have. He's he's got more of
<v Speaker 2>a kind of an angelic look about it. He's a
<v Speaker 2>little softer and he's more innocent, and he's playing a
<v Speaker 2>guy who's like, it's kind of like he's a thirteen
<v Speaker 2>year old boy even though he's, you know, obviously in
<v Speaker 2>his twenties working.
<v Speaker 6>At the bank.
<v Speaker 1>He is a twenty something who works at a bank. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>who brings his dog to work. And his best friend
<v Speaker 1>is like a thirteen year old kid.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of weird. Yeah, but again I think it's
<v Speaker 2>the morphing of the script. So the thirteen year old kid,
<v Speaker 2>Corey Fieldman, Corey Felman, which is this is one of
<v Speaker 2>his first movies, Friday the Thirteenth, Part four.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, right, so he done that.
<v Speaker 2>He'd done some commercials but hadn't done a whole lot.
<v Speaker 2>He was the voice Foxing the Hound in Foxing the Hound. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he was a dog. Oh yeah, Yeah, he was Copper.
<v Speaker 2>He's the dog.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember.
<v Speaker 2>I think he Copper was his name. I think the
<v Speaker 2>dog was Copper.
<v Speaker 1>Ultimately, he is the kid in Grimlins, and then goes
<v Speaker 1>on to work with Steven Spielberg later in The Moonies,
<v Speaker 1>wearing his purple rain.
<v Speaker 2>Shirt Summer of eighty four.
<v Speaker 1>Come back in a couple of weeks for that one, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, I want to talk about Phoebe Kates for
<v Speaker 1>a second.
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, here's to my arm.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Phoebe Kate's was in Fast Times the originally
<v Speaker 1>High Was she in that? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>If you know that, I have to say that you
<v Speaker 2>have not seen it. I'm just kidding, of course, the
<v Speaker 2>most memorable see of all.
<v Speaker 1>She wrote a horror videotapes with people pausing to the VCR.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't any knock anymore?
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so do you know who directed Fast Time Times
<v Speaker 5>to Richmond High?
<v Speaker 2>Amy Heckerling? Right, who had a child with Harold raymis
<v Speaker 2>That blows me away? Right?
<v Speaker 5>And that child, that illegitimate child?
<v Speaker 2>They were never married. Yes, was in a movie about
<v Speaker 2>an illegitimate child that was directed by Amy Heckerling named
<v Speaker 2>Look who's talking? Wow? How about that? You're all over
<v Speaker 2>the place? Yeah, Molly Heckerling. Look her up. She's she's
<v Speaker 2>been and stuff. Now she's she's grown up. Now, isn't
<v Speaker 2>that weird that Look who's talking and she's probably in
<v Speaker 2>her thirties. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. It's nuts, all right.
<v Speaker 2>So Phoebe Kate's.
<v Speaker 1>When they hired her and they brought her in, they
<v Speaker 1>were worried about her playing this sort of innocent, sweet girl.
<v Speaker 2>Next door character. Yeah, because she had gone topless in
<v Speaker 2>Fast Times. Yep.
<v Speaker 5>But she totally has the sweet, innocent looking down.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So going back to your original kickoff thing, Hoyd Axton,
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, as the dad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, Hoy Axton is from Oklahoma. He ended up
<v Speaker 2>leaving town because he had tried to pull this prank
<v Speaker 2>and end up burning down the local hardware on graduation night.
<v Speaker 1>Right, he needed the bathroom buddy to fire extinguisher that up.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you had written he tried to blow my
<v Speaker 2>mind with some songs that he had done, which we'll
<v Speaker 2>talk about in a second. We're about to blow your mind, right, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and this is only going to be your mind, like
<v Speaker 2>except for our Oklahoma listeners, nobody else. Everybody else is
<v Speaker 2>going to go why are you ready for this? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>He's first cousins with David Bourne. Get out of town,
<v Speaker 2>be right. So David Bourne just for those non Oklahoma
<v Speaker 2>folks out there, as president of the University of Oklahoma
<v Speaker 2>for the like decades, including the time that Jason and
<v Speaker 2>I went to school there. He also was a US
<v Speaker 2>Senator and all kinds of stuff. But anyway, Wow, songs
<v Speaker 2>that he's.
<v Speaker 1>Written go Joy to the World by Three Dog Night,
<v Speaker 1>Jeromiah was a gold Frog.
<v Speaker 2>What a good friend of mine? Right? He also wrote
<v Speaker 2>Never Been to Spain, also by three Dog Knight, also
<v Speaker 2>wrote The Pusher, also wrote the No No Song where
<v Speaker 2>Ringo star wrote Della and the Dealer, and wrote Greenback Dollar.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all big songs in the sixties and.
<v Speaker 5>Seventies, right, But did you know that his mother wrote
<v Speaker 5>a song as well.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's a little song called Heartbreak Hotel sang by
<v Speaker 2>mister Elvis Preston. Well this is my bed lived A
<v Speaker 2>new place to dwell was done the Lone Street. That's hot, dude,
<v Speaker 2>I'm blowing your mind.
<v Speaker 1>You are coming up with some amazing stuff today.
<v Speaker 2>So Chris Columbus is excited to get on set because
<v Speaker 2>he wants to meet Hoyd Axxton, not because of any
<v Speaker 2>of the songs that Hoyden accent has written, but because
<v Speaker 2>he's a huge Elvis fan, and he wants to meet
<v Speaker 2>the guy who's mom wrote Heartbreak Hotel. And then, of course,
<v Speaker 2>a few years later, he goes on to direct a
<v Speaker 2>movie himself about Elvis called Heartbreaks Out. That's fantastic, starring
<v Speaker 2>Keith David or David Keith. I never remember which one
<v Speaker 2>of those guys is.
<v Speaker 5>Which Keith David the less dark work.
<v Speaker 1>Not the guy from something about Marry The Other Guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the guy who's the bad guy in like every
<v Speaker 2>other movie, the guy who's the bad guy in Major
<v Speaker 2>League two. Yes, yeah, he's the dad in Firestarter. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>another big movie, Summer of eighty four. Right, so Hoyd
<v Speaker 2>Action is cast as the father and then the mom,
<v Speaker 2>the mom. Her name is Francis Lee McCain right, and
<v Speaker 2>I sent you her list of movies, and she had
<v Speaker 2>a stellar three year period. Right, let's talk about it. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so this is freaking amazing. You've probably not seen her
<v Speaker 2>in anything made before nineteen eighty four or anything made
<v Speaker 2>after nineteen eighty five, but in a just a couple
<v Speaker 2>of year period, she was the mom in Footloose, Rin's Mom,
<v Speaker 2>Rin's Mom. Yes, she was the mom in Grimlins. She
<v Speaker 2>was Lorraine's mom in Back to the Future, and she
<v Speaker 2>was Corty's mom in stand By Me. I mean that's
<v Speaker 2>eighty four, eighty five, eighty six. She is the mom
<v Speaker 2>choice for casting if you want to make a good movie.
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic gladdered head didn't roll down the stairs.
<v Speaker 1>Too, And you know what, just on a side note,
<v Speaker 1>her character nearly wipes out all the Gremlins.
<v Speaker 2>She kills five of them.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Yes, tosses him in the blender, kicks them in
<v Speaker 1>the microwave.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's like Rambo. Did you know that the dog
<v Speaker 2>in Gremlins his name is Mushroom. I did not know that.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the one that the Grimlins like hang up by
<v Speaker 1>Christmas lights.
<v Speaker 2>Better than getting eaten them and it's pretty rough. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he plays Barney.
<v Speaker 1>He also stars as Less Hendrix's dog in.
<v Speaker 2>Pumpkinhead the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Well, she got the voice of Gizmo none other than
<v Speaker 1>Howie Mandel.
<v Speaker 5>Yes, and even in his stand up deal he would
<v Speaker 5>do my name is Billy.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he would have that character that he would do
<v Speaker 2>back when Howie Mandel still had hair and was still
<v Speaker 2>putting a rubber glove over the top of him. Right,
<v Speaker 2>So at that time he was doing the voice for Gizmo.
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who did the voice for Stripe? No,
<v Speaker 2>mister Frank Welker, who is best known for voicing Fred
<v Speaker 2>in Scooby Doo. The first thing we'd better do is
<v Speaker 2>split up and search the school for clues. Here's an
<v Speaker 2>interesting fact about mister Welker. He has been doing these
<v Speaker 2>voiceovers and other movies for decades. As of this year,
<v Speaker 2>he holds over eight hundred and sixty film, television and
<v Speaker 2>video game credits, making him one of the most iconic
<v Speaker 2>actors of all time, but also making him the third
<v Speaker 2>top box office growing actor at seventeen point four billion dollars.
<v Speaker 2>What the guy who's the voice for Stripe and Fred
<v Speaker 2>and a jillion other things is the third highest box
<v Speaker 2>office gross actor in existence. Wow, that's amazing. That's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>I got something for you. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Judge Reynold is also in Gremlins, a kind of the
<v Speaker 1>h He's infested with Phoebe Kates.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't any locked the door right? Yes, they're seeing They're
<v Speaker 2>scene is intertwined.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he plays the bake manager.
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of a jerk.
<v Speaker 1>He's like twenty twenty three yuy six, He's like the
<v Speaker 1>bad guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He was also in Beverly Hills Cop with Eddie Murphy
<v Speaker 1>as the largest movie nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 2>He was a hot thing for a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he has a scene that didn't make the final cut.
<v Speaker 1>The gremlins are like attacking the bank and he locks
<v Speaker 1>himself in the vault and it's like he's going nuts,
<v Speaker 1>like he's literally like his brain has broken and he's insane,
<v Speaker 1>breaks out, locks himself in the vault.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of a darker Yeah, okay, so here's some other surprise.
<v Speaker 2>So I told you that Dante is big about putting
<v Speaker 2>other movies in his movies. You know, he is also
<v Speaker 2>big about putting actors who have been in big things
<v Speaker 2>in the past in his movies as well. So the
<v Speaker 2>guy who's walking around with the pipe who said I
<v Speaker 2>paid for my tree to the sheriff, you know, that's
<v Speaker 2>Harry Carey Junior, who is in a ton of john
<v Speaker 2>Ford movies, all Cowboy movies. But then he also went
<v Speaker 2>on to be one of the three old timers in
<v Speaker 2>Back to the Future Part three. Oh nice, And he's
<v Speaker 2>one of the only actors that was in both Tombstone
<v Speaker 2>and Wyater.
<v Speaker 5>Chris Marshall White and Tombstone.
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, Tombstone we're gonna hopefully cover later on this year.
<v Speaker 8>Yes, so now, mister Wang Wing, mister Wayne, sorry, I
<v Speaker 8>know that one.
<v Speaker 2>Mister Wing grandfather is a guy named Key Luke who
<v Speaker 2>was number one son for the old Charlie Chan films.
<v Speaker 2>He was he was the first son of Charlie Chan.
<v Speaker 3>Huh.
<v Speaker 2>And he was the original ca in like the Early
<v Speaker 2>Like thirty nine forty forty one of the Green Hornet series.
<v Speaker 2>He was Kato, the sidekick. Right.
<v Speaker 5>He did the voice for Bracket Space Ghosts in the sixties.
<v Speaker 2>But here you go, you're ready. Yes, he was Master
<v Speaker 2>Poe in the television series Kung Fu Take the Storm
<v Speaker 2>from My Hand, Grasshoppa, al right, Master Poe is the
<v Speaker 2>one that owns the Magwai. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, you know what we talked off air about this.
<v Speaker 1>But the little grandson who works in the store. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>that is not the kid from Goonies, and that's not
<v Speaker 1>Short Round from Indiana Jones and the Couple of Doom.
<v Speaker 1>But he does wear a Yankees Cabins style kind of
<v Speaker 1>resembling Short Round.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, they're dressing the Asian young actors in Yankee attire.
<v Speaker 2>Hold on Lady We Go for a Wide you call
<v Speaker 2>him doctor Jorman. Okay. So one other guy that I
<v Speaker 2>got to mention because I mentioned him back on our
<v Speaker 2>third episode on Airplane Okay, Kenneth Toby is the guy
<v Speaker 2>who's the gas station attendant that he he's trying to
<v Speaker 2>sell the smokeless ashtray too. I guess name's Ken Toby. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>He was also the he was in the original the
<v Speaker 2>thing like in nineteen fifties. He was in the on that.
<v Speaker 2>But he's the guy an airplane on the phone. It's
<v Speaker 2>like he's a danger to everything in the air. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>birds too nice. Oh, here's something interesting on Phoebek's keep talking.
<v Speaker 2>Her father was one of the creators of the sixty
<v Speaker 2>four thousand dollars question, which is pretty cool. Yeah, her
<v Speaker 2>husband is Kevin Klein, who like could be her dad.
<v Speaker 2>I think like he's like they met she auditioned for
<v Speaker 2>the Megtilly part in The Big Chill, and they're both
<v Speaker 2>seeing other people at the time, but I guess, you know,
<v Speaker 2>met each other then and a few years later, when
<v Speaker 2>they were both unattached, they met again and have been
<v Speaker 2>married since then since like the late eighties. It's incredible.
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Kline to go Kevin Klin, Yes, we're giving it up.
<v Speaker 1>His Bunnies role in my opinion, fish called Wanda, Oh yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. The radio DJ is Don Steele, who
<v Speaker 2>is like one of the most famous radio DJs in
<v Speaker 2>LA for years and years, and then they did this
<v Speaker 2>contest where it was catch you know, catch Don Steele,
<v Speaker 2>and he was driving around in LA and like people
<v Speaker 2>ran over like they had a huge wreck trying to
<v Speaker 2>catch and catch him, and it became a huge case,
<v Speaker 2>like a big liability case that went to the Supreme Court.
<v Speaker 2>It's now a case that they study in law school. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>so for any dj Ricky rialto that's dressed up like
<v Speaker 2>on the billboard like Indian Jones. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
<v Speaker 2>his history. One more, let's go just one more. We've
<v Speaker 2>already talked about bugs Bunny, but in the scene in
<v Speaker 2>the bar whenever Billy is showing his artwork of Missus Degle,
<v Speaker 2>we can't forget missus Deegele. Oh my gosh. Okay, so
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about Missus Deagle on a second. But
<v Speaker 2>the guy who's like, oh, you've really captured her likeness
<v Speaker 2>is mister Chuck Jones, who directed about a million Bugs
<v Speaker 2>Bunny episodes. And then this is Degle. This is missus Deegle,
<v Speaker 2>who's a.
<v Speaker 1>Cross between we talked about. It's the bank manager from
<v Speaker 1>It's a Wonderful Life. Yes, it's Ebenezer Scrooge and it's and.
<v Speaker 2>It's the Wicked Wish to the West. Oh for sure,
<v Speaker 2>I'll get your little dog too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly when she got it from the Grimlins, I
<v Speaker 1>was like good friends to her.
<v Speaker 2>Caleb actually cheered out loud. He's like, yeah, blew her
<v Speaker 2>out of the window. What a great scene that is.
<v Speaker 1>Now who is the actress who plays her?
<v Speaker 2>So, Missus Deagle is played by Polly Holliday, who you
<v Speaker 2>might know better as Flow from Alice's Diner. Kiss my grit,
<v Speaker 2>Kiss my grits. Excuse me Flow like the TV show.
<v Speaker 2>And then we also, of course had Jonathan Banks, who
<v Speaker 2>is also in forty eight Hours and Beverly Hills Cop
<v Speaker 2>and Breaking Bad. He is the deputy sheriff. Oh yeah
<v Speaker 2>that's right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the bad guy in Beverly Hills Cop.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>I want to drive, you're drunk, you always drive.
<v Speaker 2>I'm the sheriff. He's the man who wrecked my ante.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's flip over to Ghostbusters and talk about
<v Speaker 1>casting for Ghostbusters. I am the key Master, I am
<v Speaker 1>the gatekeepers.
<v Speaker 2>Tell about the Middle Time that rely the big all right.
<v Speaker 2>So Dan Akrott obviously the writer. He was always going
<v Speaker 2>to be Race Dance.
<v Speaker 1>So when I've in Ryman brought in Harold Rams. Harold
<v Speaker 1>Ramis is like, yeah, I'm happy to help you, right.
<v Speaker 1>I also think I'd be great for this Egon Park.
<v Speaker 1>But they did have a couple other guys.
<v Speaker 2>They were kind of fishing around with. But first, before
<v Speaker 2>we get there, let's talk about Peter Bank. That was
<v Speaker 2>the biggest.
<v Speaker 1>Hire of all Roman sacrifice, dogs and cats living together,
<v Speaker 1>Pario enough, I.
<v Speaker 5>Get the point, right, John Belushi replacement, right right?
<v Speaker 1>They wanted John Blushy. Originally they talked about Chevy Chase.
<v Speaker 1>When chevy Chase looked at the script, He's like, guys,
<v Speaker 1>this is the script is crazy.
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand it. It's too weird.
<v Speaker 1>But so it was very different when he looked at it.
<v Speaker 2>Talked about Cherry Chase.
<v Speaker 1>They talked about Steve Gutenberg, who went on to make
<v Speaker 1>Police Academy This year, Tom Hanks, Robin Williams Michael Keaton
<v Speaker 1>as big.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would have been a good. That would have
<v Speaker 2>been a good if you didn't get Bill Murray. Michael
<v Speaker 2>Keaton would have been great. Yes, all right for Egon.
<v Speaker 1>Before Hirovermus came on board, they talked about Christopher walking right,
<v Speaker 1>he could have been a weird Egon.
<v Speaker 2>Very much more on the weird side, yes, John Lithgow, Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Phi Louis Phil Loose, he's doing for Loose and he
<v Speaker 2>had just done okay, go ahead, Christopher Lloyd, Oh wow,
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. And like you said, Jeff Goldbwlind, Yeah, definitely.
<v Speaker 1>So once again, let's think about alternate universes where we
<v Speaker 1>have Michael Keaton, Christopher Lloyd and dan Aykroyd.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I am glad that and of those guys got
<v Speaker 2>it because I love what Harold ramers on the character.
<v Speaker 2>He did it so well.
<v Speaker 9>Well, let's say this twinkie represents the normal amount of
<v Speaker 9>psychokinetic energy in the New York area. According to this
<v Speaker 9>morning sample, it would be a twinkie thirty five feet long,
<v Speaker 9>weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
<v Speaker 2>That's a big twinkie. Did it so well? Okay, now
<v Speaker 2>here's something are you ready for this? Yes. Before they
<v Speaker 2>start filming, they've got to work on a script, right,
<v Speaker 2>So they go to Martha's Vineyard over the Fourth of
<v Speaker 2>July weekend and Ivan and Dan and Harold they spend
<v Speaker 2>like two weeks in the basement of this place in
<v Speaker 2>Martha's Vineyard writing this script together, high as a kite
<v Speaker 2>most of the time, right, But ultimately they end up
<v Speaker 2>with a structure. Right, it's like a guideline, but they
<v Speaker 2>really don't know how it's going to end, and they're
<v Speaker 2>kind of making it up as they go. Now, one
<v Speaker 2>of the things that they don't have in that original
<v Speaker 2>script is a female part, right, Yeah. But once they
<v Speaker 2>start doing on this, there's like words starts to spread
<v Speaker 2>and wants Somebody named Sigourney Weaver hears about it. She's like,
<v Speaker 2>I want to be in that movie. She's freaking Ripley. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she's Ripley from Alien. So when she came in to
<v Speaker 2>talk to Ivan rightman about being in the movie, she's
<v Speaker 2>the one that comes up with the idea. She says,
<v Speaker 2>you know those dogs on the roof, I think I
<v Speaker 2>should be one of those dogs.
<v Speaker 5>And he's like, what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 2>And she gets up on the desk, gets down on
<v Speaker 2>all fours and starts wiggling around, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>Ivan Rightman thinks it's a great idea about having the
<v Speaker 2>lady be the dog, and he has he has a
<v Speaker 2>great idea about the way the rest of the movie should.
<v Speaker 1>Get that really sort of makes the movie. How she
<v Speaker 1>becomes possessed and later becomes the dog and they actually
<v Speaker 1>kind of rescue her.
<v Speaker 2>Out of the Charred remains the dog. It's really cool, right,
<v Speaker 2>she's awesome. Yeah, she's awesome. Now. Of course, like you said,
<v Speaker 2>they get Bill Murray for Peter Vinkman. But Bill Murray
<v Speaker 2>is notorious for never sign an a contract and you
<v Speaker 2>just don't know to show up or not.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Ivan Ryman had worked with him on Meatballs and Stripes,
<v Speaker 1>and he knew how difficult he was, right, And he's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>I we think that Bill's going to show up for
<v Speaker 1>the first day shooting. Dan says, he is right, but
<v Speaker 1>we're not positive.
<v Speaker 2>So do you know the story about Razor's Edge? No,
<v Speaker 2>tell me the story. So, I mean, there's not a
<v Speaker 2>big story. But basically, Bill Murray had really wanted to
<v Speaker 2>make this movie The Razor's Edge, which is a straight
<v Speaker 2>piece for him, Like it is not comedy at all.
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a little bit, but it's almost weird
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. But he really wanted to make this
<v Speaker 2>but couldn't get anybody to go for it. And I
<v Speaker 2>think it was Dan Aykroy that says, why don't you
<v Speaker 2>use this as leverage? And he says, Okay, I'll do
<v Speaker 2>Ghostbusters if you guys finance Razor's Edge. And I think
<v Speaker 2>Dan says, you should go make that movie first, because
<v Speaker 2>they may not do it if you do Ghosts. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's right, he's right.
<v Speaker 5>I mean he's taken care of his friend, right yep.
<v Speaker 5>So he goes and does a Razor's Edge.
<v Speaker 2>Iavan Rightman then picks him up from JFK Airport about
<v Speaker 2>a week before the shooting was about to start. They
<v Speaker 2>have to do some camera testing and wardrobe testing when
<v Speaker 2>they get there, so like before real shooting starts, he
<v Speaker 2>decides to shoot some of the montage scenes with them
<v Speaker 2>running around New York City and their coveralls and the packs.
<v Speaker 2>So those scenes that you see them running through the streets,
<v Speaker 2>those were the very first scenes that they shot. That's
<v Speaker 2>really cool. We haven't talked about Ernie Hudson. What can
<v Speaker 2>you tell me about Ernie? Well, here's the deal with
<v Speaker 2>Ernie Hudson.
<v Speaker 1>So obviously when he was hired, he was filling the
<v Speaker 1>character that Eddie Murphy left, right, And according to Dan Aykroyd,
<v Speaker 1>when Eddie Murphy left the Bankman character became the comedic
<v Speaker 1>voice of the movie. So it wasn't a one to
<v Speaker 1>one trade. But anyway, they brought in Ernie Hudson. He
<v Speaker 1>had to be the guy that the audience could relate to.
<v Speaker 1>They originally brought in and read Reginald bell Johnson for
<v Speaker 1>the part of Winston's enymore right.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's in it.
<v Speaker 1>He got the consolation prize of the prison.
<v Speaker 2>Right. This is the first movie that we see Reginald
<v Speaker 2>Bell Johnson as a cop in it, and then he
<v Speaker 2>goes to do a cop and a cop and another cop.
<v Speaker 1>He plays a cop in Family Matters and he plays
<v Speaker 1>the freaking cop.
<v Speaker 2>Al Powell and.
<v Speaker 5>Die Hard doing pretty appreciate it out.
<v Speaker 1>Also from die Hard you get William Atherson talk about
<v Speaker 1>a three year stretch. He plays the Dead and Ghostbusters
<v Speaker 1>and real genius.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's listening, that's true. This man has no dick And
<v Speaker 2>in die Hard yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Lewis totally for a second. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>they wanted John Candy, but he wanted it to play
<v Speaker 1>like a German. He wanted to have this accent. He
<v Speaker 1>always want to have dogs around, and they thought Man
<v Speaker 1>just really wasn't what they wanted. So he didn't really
<v Speaker 1>like the character. So anyway, they split.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's he was like, I really don't get this,
<v Speaker 2>and then there became a paycheck issue and he's like, eh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really that interested. So literally, on the same
<v Speaker 2>day that John Candy says no, Ivan Rightman sends the
<v Speaker 2>script to Rick Moranis who I mean, those guys work
<v Speaker 2>together on SETV Righty are friends. But Rick gets it
<v Speaker 2>and the first thing he does is call back and say,
<v Speaker 2>I just want you to tell John thank you for
<v Speaker 2>turning this script down because I think it's amazing and
<v Speaker 2>I have got the character. I knew exactly how to
<v Speaker 2>play fantastic. Yeah, And he was like Rick Moranis had
<v Speaker 2>an accounting background, like he knew it, so all those
<v Speaker 2>little accounting foibles that hews out there are totally him
<v Speaker 2>improving that stuff. Do you have any exagement or extra
<v Speaker 2>strength timing them?
<v Speaker 1>I think Oh my god, it's a seat of sell
<v Speaker 1>and sell a gas generic.
<v Speaker 2>See I can get six hundred tablets, so that for
<v Speaker 2>the same price as three hundred of a name brand.
<v Speaker 2>That makes good financial sense, good advice. Hey, this is
<v Speaker 2>real smoke sabit from Nova Scotia, Canada, twenty four to
<v Speaker 2>ninety five a pounds. It only cost me fourteen twelve
<v Speaker 2>after tex though. I'm giving this whole thing as a
<v Speaker 2>promotional expense. That's why I invite a client's instead of friends.
<v Speaker 1>I can't even riff on a podcast. We had to
<v Speaker 1>edit this whole thing. He talks NonStop for like three minutes.
<v Speaker 1>He's talking about Hey, it's Susie.
<v Speaker 2>They talk about getting the carrecter, Like, just take your line,
<v Speaker 2>let me and let me in to take that and
<v Speaker 2>turn it into let me in, let me in of
<v Speaker 2>the doors lamps. That's gold.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that is true brilliance in acting.
<v Speaker 2>And you know what Rick moranis was shooting up the
<v Speaker 2>star Rocket nineteen ninety four. His wife passes away, he
<v Speaker 2>stops acting, goes home, takes care of his kids for
<v Speaker 2>the next twenty years. Totally respect it. I can't. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's just amazing. It's amazing. You have that kind of
<v Speaker 2>dedication that you would go, I'm gonna leave this thing
<v Speaker 2>that is making me millions of dollars and instead I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to focus on my children for the next twenty
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, real quickly, Eddie deson Gozer. They originally wanted
<v Speaker 1>Paul Rubens in the part of Gozer. Oh that's right,
<v Speaker 1>pee Wee Herman was almost Gozer pee wee hermon.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about that. Yeah. I also heard that Grace
<v Speaker 2>Jones was considered as well. I can see that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's some more.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you still at the flat top, so anger
<v Speaker 1>the flattop.
<v Speaker 2>So we didn't mention the name of the actress played Gozer.
<v Speaker 2>Gozer ultimately was played by slat Viza Jovin, who was
<v Speaker 2>this Yugoslav model.
<v Speaker 1>I heard that her character is supposed to be a
<v Speaker 1>cross between David Bowie and Grace Jones. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but this is this, this is the funny part.
<v Speaker 2>Right when they.
<v Speaker 1>Were rehearsing the Gozer scene. So she's from Yugoslavia, so
<v Speaker 1>she has this strange accent. So when she's saying the
<v Speaker 1>line Jews and parish, right, it sounded like she said
<v Speaker 1>jews and berries, and Bill Murray kept saying there are
<v Speaker 1>no jews in berries here, jews.
<v Speaker 2>And berries, so they ended up changing her voice. It
<v Speaker 2>was voiced by a voice actress named Patty Edwards who
<v Speaker 2>has a few films. She played Bloatsom and Jetsam in
<v Speaker 2>The Little Mermaid. Notice the smoke damage voice there as well.
<v Speaker 2>Real quickly, I've got a couple of cameos. I've just
<v Speaker 2>got to talk about it. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Casey has a cameo in it as he's reading the
<v Speaker 1>top forty countdown just his voice, right, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, the Ghostbusters and this and that and on with
<v Speaker 2>the countdown. Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>His wife, Jeane Casem she plays the tall woman at
<v Speaker 1>the party.
<v Speaker 2>Who's dancing with Rick Ranis right. She's also she plays
<v Speaker 2>Loretta on Cheers. Yep. If you want a really interesting story.
<v Speaker 1>You need to go find out the battle over Casey
<v Speaker 1>Casum's body when he passes away.
<v Speaker 2>That's really weird.
<v Speaker 1>She keeps moving it from his kids and all this
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff. Weird anyway, Gene and Casey Caseum.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to say this scene. You remember the
<v Speaker 2>scene where the reporter is like, well, I remember my
<v Speaker 2>grandma used to spend yarns around like you remember that
<v Speaker 2>you the guy that's in the background that looks that
<v Speaker 2>Legit was a guy who is not an actor like
<v Speaker 2>it was a guy who was like, oh, they're making
<v Speaker 2>a movie. Yeah, I'll get on the movie. So now
<v Speaker 2>for you know, eternity, he's in this huge blockbuster movie
<v Speaker 2>and he was just the guy who was just looking around.
<v Speaker 2>There's always an abundance of morons.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but here's the one that really blew me away. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>the girl at the birthday party when Rick moranis comes
<v Speaker 1>up and.
<v Speaker 2>Is banging on the live in right here. Yeah. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the girl the breath of party. You don't really get
<v Speaker 2>a good look at it. It's the back of her head.
<v Speaker 6>You know.
<v Speaker 2>That is Debbie Gibson, as in Debbie Gibson from the.
<v Speaker 1>Eighties, as in Only in My Dreams, Electric Youth, Lost
<v Speaker 1>in your Eyes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah to Debbie Gibson. Wow, how about that? That's awesome?
<v Speaker 2>All right, friends, that does it for this week's episode.
<v Speaker 2>Please come back next week we will continue the discussion
<v Speaker 2>on Grimlins and Ghostbusters. We will talk production, we will
<v Speaker 2>talk special effects, we will talk soundtrack, and we will
<v Speaker 2>talk final judgment about which of these two iconic eighties
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four movies is the best. It's gonna be amazing. Listen.
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