Live "Throwing Copper" (1994): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>This is Eric, one of Jason's old college roommates, and
<v Speaker 1>you're listening to the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Over to you boys, Hello everybody, and welcome back to
<v Speaker 2>the sure That You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 3>We are here today for album number four of five
<v Speaker 3>that we are covering from nineteen ninety four. We are
<v Speaker 3>going to be talking about live Throwing Copper today. We
<v Speaker 3>have previously covered Green Day Dookie, We've previously covered Bush
<v Speaker 3>sixteen Stone, and we have previously covered Beezer the Blue Album,
<v Speaker 3>and we still have Collective Soul of the Blue album
<v Speaker 3>to cover on our next episode.
<v Speaker 4>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>We've had some great guest hosts, and we have another
<v Speaker 3>great guest host today. Friend of the podcast, longtime listener,
<v Speaker 3>longtime Patreon member, mister Brad Moore.
<v Speaker 4>How are you doing, Brad?
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing good, guys. How are you good? Man?
<v Speaker 1>How's life treating you down there in USA?
<v Speaker 5>I ran a rich dog. No, it's just good. I'm
<v Speaker 5>glad to be back. Finally we're able to do one
<v Speaker 5>of these again. Sorry, I had to flake out on
<v Speaker 5>the Patreon episode when we did epic.
<v Speaker 1>That's all right, man, no problem, no problem.
<v Speaker 4>You're a working Man.
<v Speaker 3>So covering these albums from ninety four has led us
<v Speaker 3>not only to pick these five albums, but Jason and
<v Speaker 3>I just recently decided, once we're done with this, we're
<v Speaker 3>going to do our top five of nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 3>which I'm super excited about because this year was an
<v Speaker 3>amazing year for music and it's a great opportunity to
<v Speaker 3>be able to listen to these guys talk about the
<v Speaker 3>albums that they made thirty years ago. And one of
<v Speaker 3>the guys, you know, we just finished Bush sixteen Stone
<v Speaker 3>and listening to Gavin Rossdale talk, you know, I had
<v Speaker 3>it in my head that, you know, he's kind of
<v Speaker 3>a pretty boy. He's just the most down to earth
<v Speaker 3>friendly guy.
<v Speaker 4>In the world. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>And then the same thing with Live, I kind of
<v Speaker 3>had this image in my head of Ed Kowalcik that was,
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's kind of a stuck up intellectual guy.
<v Speaker 3>I'm listening to him and he's just the most easy going,
<v Speaker 3>friendly you know really yeah, I mean I just love it.
<v Speaker 3>And then as he's talking, he's like, well, you know,
<v Speaker 3>the interviewer is like, well, who have you met, you
<v Speaker 3>know in the industry that you've bonded with and he's like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>Gavin Rossdale and I have the best time in the world.
<v Speaker 3>So these guys are actually friends, they're close friends. But
<v Speaker 3>Gavin Rossdale, when I was listening to him talk, he said,
<v Speaker 3>this wonderful thing.
<v Speaker 4>I wrote it down.
<v Speaker 3>I forgot to mention in our Bush episode, but he said,
<v Speaker 3>there's only twelve notes. There's just an infinite way to
<v Speaker 3>arrange them. From Mozart to Slipknot, they're all using the
<v Speaker 3>same twelve notes. And I just thought that's exactly right.
<v Speaker 3>And then listening to Ed Kowalchik talk, he was like,
<v Speaker 3>ninety four was just one of those years where you
<v Speaker 3>had all of these incredible albums, but they were all
<v Speaker 3>very unique, like everything sounded different than everything else. And
<v Speaker 3>he said, within just a few years after that everything
<v Speaker 3>began to be homogenized and sound the same. And so
<v Speaker 3>it was really this, I mean, ninety four was kind
<v Speaker 3>of the beginning of the end of things being the
<v Speaker 3>way we grew up with them for you know, the
<v Speaker 3>twentieth century.
<v Speaker 1>I would agree that's that's kind of the last place
<v Speaker 1>I planted my flag and the music world was ninety
<v Speaker 1>four ninety five. Hey, by the way before we got started.
<v Speaker 1>He was a little bit late to the podcast today.
<v Speaker 1>Brad sent us a Texas said, Hey, we are talking
<v Speaker 1>about three o'clock central, right, And I texted back and
<v Speaker 1>I said, I alone at this moment.
<v Speaker 5>Good.
<v Speaker 4>That was good.
<v Speaker 3>It was only three oh five, by the way, and
<v Speaker 3>I drove an hour.
<v Speaker 4>To get here.
<v Speaker 3>A little break here, Okay, So guys, tell me your
<v Speaker 3>experience with this album. We talked about some of these
<v Speaker 3>other albums, and I mentioned that Bush was the first
<v Speaker 3>one that I had that album back in nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 3>five and played it all the time. This is another
<v Speaker 3>one that I had in ninety five and I played
<v Speaker 3>it all the time. I loved this CD. I consider
<v Speaker 3>it possibly top ten albums of all time. When we're
<v Speaker 3>talking about albums that are flawless from beginning to end, wow,
<v Speaker 3>you know, put Ten by Pearl Jam in there, put
<v Speaker 3>Joshua Tree by you two in there. I mean, there
<v Speaker 3>are are very few albums that have no skippers, no fillers,
<v Speaker 3>just good, good music.
<v Speaker 1>From beginning to end. And to me, Throwing Copper is
<v Speaker 1>one of those albums. Brad, what's your history with this one?
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I had a roommate at the time.
<v Speaker 5>I've only been in Louisi in a short time when
<v Speaker 5>this album came out and his name was Spencer Calwell
<v Speaker 5>and I walked in one day and he was playing
<v Speaker 5>this album. He had gotten it. I don't know where
<v Speaker 5>he heard it first, but I alone was playing. I'm like,
<v Speaker 5>what is this and he's like, man, it's live. I'm
<v Speaker 5>like live where, Like this is a live show? He said, no,
<v Speaker 5>the band is called Live. This is phenomenal because yeah,
<v Speaker 5>the whole album's like this. It's great. See, you got
<v Speaker 5>to sit down and listen to it. I said, all right,
<v Speaker 5>let's do it, and we listened to the whole thing
<v Speaker 5>on that stereo. Right.
<v Speaker 1>There are Vegas speakers in the world.
<v Speaker 5>There are Sony speakers. I've had them since I was sixteen.
<v Speaker 6>Wow.
<v Speaker 5>Some of the components have changed. But I gave it
<v Speaker 5>to my son body of turntable to go with it,
<v Speaker 5>and it's still kicking. That thing is built to last.
<v Speaker 4>Fantastic nice.
<v Speaker 1>So for me, I knew the hits from this they
<v Speaker 1>were unavoidable on radio, but this, this album took a
<v Speaker 1>massive step forward to me. When a catastrophic event happened
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma City in nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we will definitely talk about that.
<v Speaker 4>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I want to hold that story until a little bit later.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So this album was released April twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four.
<v Speaker 1>This went eight times platinum in the US. April of
<v Speaker 1>ninety four, we had a couple of people die. You
<v Speaker 1>had Richard Nixon pass away in April of ninety four.
<v Speaker 1>He was eighty one from a stroke. You also had
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Cobain who took his own life in April of
<v Speaker 1>ninety four. So a couple of significant deaths in April
<v Speaker 1>of ninety four.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, first song out of the Gate is a song
<v Speaker 3>I love called the damn at Otter Creek.
<v Speaker 7>When all you've looked it to you because your factor
<v Speaker 7>what's been done. This is where sadness free.
<v Speaker 4>The sadness if you just cut the guys with the.
<v Speaker 5>Damn it all the creaking nor the world backed off
<v Speaker 5>deep enough.
<v Speaker 4>Too, dum Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So before we started going on this one, I texted
<v Speaker 3>Jason and I was like, Okay, I want you to
<v Speaker 3>try to guess what my favorite track on this CD
<v Speaker 3>is and he was like I alone. I was like, nope,
<v Speaker 3>he's lightning crashes. I like, Nope, he's like selling the drama.
<v Speaker 3>No is it damn it Otter Creek? Yes, damn at
<v Speaker 3>Otter Creek is my favorite track on this whole CD,
<v Speaker 3>and I love every song.
<v Speaker 5>Very hard to pick a favorite track on this CD.
<v Speaker 3>This one just has such a unique sound. The build
<v Speaker 3>that they have at the beginning of this. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I have never been fortune to see live live, but
<v Speaker 3>I can just imagine like the shadow silhouettes of these
<v Speaker 3>guys moving across the stage as this builds and builds
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of this song.
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely like a concert kickoff song.
<v Speaker 4>Oh heck yeah.
<v Speaker 1>As the curtains still up, you hear the hum and
<v Speaker 1>the guitar. By the way, that guitar riff, Chad Taylor
<v Speaker 1>said that it came to him in a dream. He
<v Speaker 1>also heard this like hum of power cables, and so
<v Speaker 1>he had a little journal by his bed and he
<v Speaker 1>rolled over and he wrote high tension power lines. So
<v Speaker 1>apparently Otter Creek is a tributary of the Susquehanna River
<v Speaker 1>in York, Pennsylvania.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Susquehanna River is a place where they would
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they would literally make dams. They would make
<v Speaker 3>these dams so that they could let the water build
<v Speaker 3>up deep enough to dive. But what resulted, you know,
<v Speaker 3>because these are just dumb kids doing this, is that
<v Speaker 3>quite a few people died diving into these waters. So
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned York, Pennsylvania. That is where these guys all
<v Speaker 3>grew up. They met in middle school when they were
<v Speaker 3>like thirteen years old. We got Ed Kawalchek on vocals
<v Speaker 3>and rhythm guitar. We've got Chad Taylor on lead guitar
<v Speaker 3>and backing vocals, Patrick Dahlheimer on bass, and Chad Gracie
<v Speaker 3>on drums and backing vocals. But these guys all went
<v Speaker 3>to middle school together. They all went to high school
<v Speaker 3>at the William penn Senior High School in York, Pennsylvania,
<v Speaker 3>which was a blue collar town, just like we've talked
<v Speaker 3>about a few of these bands, including Green Day, where
<v Speaker 3>you had a giant Harley Davidson factory and a giant
<v Speaker 3>Caterpillar factory across the street from each other, and pretty
<v Speaker 3>much everybody in the town work there, except for Ed's dad,
<v Speaker 3>who apparently was a high school teacher nearby.
<v Speaker 5>You're talking about that opening guitar riff. Apparently when Chad
<v Speaker 5>taller was playing at ed walked in and hard. It's like,
<v Speaker 5>what is that? He's like, I don't know something I've gotten.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what it is, and he's like, keep going,
<v Speaker 5>keep going. And apparently he just spouted off several lines
<v Speaker 5>of lyrics right there.
<v Speaker 4>I heard that.
<v Speaker 1>When he brought it to the rest of the band,
<v Speaker 1>he said, Okay, guys, Chad and I have come up
<v Speaker 1>with this deal. What we're going to do is gradually ratchet.
<v Speaker 4>Up the intensity and the speed.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently they also recorded this song in a studio with
<v Speaker 1>massive bay windows during a lightning storm.
<v Speaker 5>How you turn all the lights off? Didn't they They.
<v Speaker 1>Turned off all the lights and it was in the
<v Speaker 1>middle of a lightning storm the studio of these huge windows.
<v Speaker 1>This is in Cannon Fall, Minnesota, and it added to
<v Speaker 1>the intensity, kind of the drama of the song. And
<v Speaker 1>they got it all in one take.
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic. Yeah, no, I can't even I mean, that's perfect.
<v Speaker 3>What a perfect image for this song. It makes it
<v Speaker 3>makes it even better in my mind.
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you were talking about how these guys got
<v Speaker 1>started in the eighth grade. Well Patrick, Chad and the
<v Speaker 1>other Chad the drummer and the guitarist. They played in
<v Speaker 1>an instrumental band called First Aid. Yep ed Kowalcek joined
<v Speaker 1>as the singer in the eighth grade and he auditioned
<v Speaker 1>by singing Duran duranduran.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>He he auditioned with the band at the behest of
<v Speaker 3>his music teacher. Their eighth grade music teacher was like,
<v Speaker 3>you guys should try to do something together and do
<v Speaker 3>something for the eighth grade talent show, which is how
<v Speaker 3>they got together. And they actually credit I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>just it's kind of crazy in this type of town
<v Speaker 3>that we've talked to. They credit some of the music
<v Speaker 3>teachers that they had in their high school with being
<v Speaker 3>very influential on teaching them about musical theory and exposing
<v Speaker 3>them to different artists and composers that really influenced how
<v Speaker 3>they play.
<v Speaker 1>Once they got together, they changed their name to Public
<v Speaker 1>Affection and they played songs by the violent femmes are
<v Speaker 1>Em You.
<v Speaker 4>Two and Brian Adams Nice. He said their heroes were
<v Speaker 4>you two. After reading The Unforgettable Fire.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got a story on that actually, but I
<v Speaker 3>think we need to move on to the next song first.
<v Speaker 3>This is song number two on the album one you
<v Speaker 3>might have heard of called selling the Drama.
<v Speaker 7>In Fine and tubern the crowd that has a name.
<v Speaker 3>So obviously a lot of religious symbolism going on here.
<v Speaker 3>To love a God and to fear a flame, obviously
<v Speaker 3>in reference to Christianity and God and hell. To right
<v Speaker 3>or wrong is in the Hindu tradition, to meeker strong
<v Speaker 3>as a play on the attitudes of Jesus and then
<v Speaker 3>scream it from the wall, the wailing wall from the
<v Speaker 3>Jewish faith. So he's got all kinds of stuff going
<v Speaker 3>on here. He really had gotten into a philosophy at
<v Speaker 3>the time that he was writing these songs, by a
<v Speaker 3>guy named Krishna Mirtis. The idea was that behind this
<v Speaker 3>philosophy that this guy had was that you shouldn't be
<v Speaker 3>worshiping in an individual. You are surrounded by things that
<v Speaker 3>should impact who you are and find out the truth
<v Speaker 3>within yourself instead of looking out to others. This was
<v Speaker 3>back when he was eighteen years old and writing songs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this song was the first single released February ninety four.
<v Speaker 1>And when I say single, it wasn't really a single.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a physical single that they sold, but It
<v Speaker 1>was the first song released to radio stations. Once again,
<v Speaker 1>in order to drive outBut them sales, they did not
<v Speaker 1>release physical singles.
<v Speaker 5>Drama eight million times.
<v Speaker 4>Good point, good point they did.
<v Speaker 1>This reached number one on the Modern Rock charts and
<v Speaker 1>number forty three on the Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you mentioned that this hit number one of
<v Speaker 3>the Modern Rock charts, and it didn't even hit the
<v Speaker 3>top forty on the Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 4>It only got to forty three.
<v Speaker 3>So, inspired by my friend Jason Colvin, I thought, well,
<v Speaker 3>let me go see what the top ten was. That
<v Speaker 3>this thing only made it to number forty three, and
<v Speaker 3>my mind was blown, and not in.
<v Speaker 4>A good way. All Right, you guys ready for this.
<v Speaker 1>This is the top ten that is blocking this from
<v Speaker 1>getting up there.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, keep going right, So number ten, if you go
<v Speaker 3>by John Succata, huh, all right? Number nine functified by
<v Speaker 3>de Brat number eight, back and forth by a Leah.
<v Speaker 3>Number seven, Can you Feel the Love Tonight by Elton John.
<v Speaker 3>That's the first one of a newer of hope right
<v Speaker 3>there right, okay. Fantastic Voyage by Coolio at number six,
<v Speaker 3>and number five, Don't Turn Around by Ace of Bass,
<v Speaker 3>the song that made me want to claw my ears
<v Speaker 3>off in nineteen ninety four, Oh My Gosh. Number four Anytime,
<v Speaker 3>Any Place by Janet Jackson.
<v Speaker 7>No.
<v Speaker 3>Number three Regulate by Warren g and Nate Doggre You Go.
<v Speaker 3>A memorable song, but not something that should have been
<v Speaker 3>forty places ahead of this song.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Number two Stay by Lisa Loeb and Nine Stories and
<v Speaker 3>at number one in its tenth week at number one.
<v Speaker 3>I swear by all for one, there was something wrong
<v Speaker 3>with the listening public or with the Billboard Hot one
<v Speaker 3>hundred in this time. I don't know what was going
<v Speaker 3>going on, but there's no way that those songs should
<v Speaker 3>have been in the top ten. And this one only
<v Speaker 3>hit forty three ten weeks at number one. At least
<v Speaker 3>ten weeks. This was just the tenth week it may.
<v Speaker 4>Have gone on. I wow, No, I I spent there,
<v Speaker 4>but it's it was there a long time.
<v Speaker 3>So back to you too, obviously you two had a
<v Speaker 3>bunch of religious symbolism as well. If you want to
<v Speaker 3>go back, was that season one that we did Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>so way back in season one we covered you two
<v Speaker 3>with Joshua Tree. Fantastic episode. I love it, as I said,
<v Speaker 3>it's one of those albums too. But nineteen eighty seven,
<v Speaker 3>Ed goes to a concert with a friend of his
<v Speaker 3>and it's you two they played, They paid sixty bucks,
<v Speaker 3>went over to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, watched from the nosebleed section,
<v Speaker 3>and he was so impacted that as they walked away,
<v Speaker 3>he said, I'm going to do what Bono in that
<v Speaker 3>band does, or I'm going to die try it.
<v Speaker 4>That's cool. I love that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then of course he gets Unforgettable Fire, shows
<v Speaker 3>it to the rest of the band and they all
<v Speaker 3>are if they feel like they're reading their own story
<v Speaker 3>when they read this, they read that book.
<v Speaker 4>That's great. Yeah, it's great.
<v Speaker 1>This was recorded at the same studio as Nirvana's in Utero,
<v Speaker 1>kind of a big deal at the moment. And this
<v Speaker 1>music video is the last one we have where Ed
<v Speaker 1>has long hair.
<v Speaker 4>He looked like Benny from Vinnie and June.
<v Speaker 3>He looked he had the he had the long hair,
<v Speaker 3>he had the John Lennon circle glasses. Yeah, and he
<v Speaker 3>had that hat and trench coat like Johnny Depp from
<v Speaker 3>Bennie and Jine.
<v Speaker 1>And then he just buzzed it all off. So now
<v Speaker 1>he's he's mister clean right, he's cubeall well, he had
<v Speaker 1>rattail there for a while, it was buzzed except for
<v Speaker 1>the rat tail. I forgot about the rats, which which
<v Speaker 1>apparently he kept, like I guess once he cut that off.
<v Speaker 1>Finally he was like, I'll get this to the wall. Nice, nice,
<v Speaker 1>rad What do you what are your thoughts on this song?
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's it's another one of the great ones.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's such a good song. It hooks you in,
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of these songs, this is one in particular.
<v Speaker 5>I feel like Ed's voice almost acts like an instrument.
<v Speaker 5>You know, he can go to so many different ranges.
<v Speaker 5>He can go high, he can go low, he can
<v Speaker 5>scream with the best of them. But if you've kind
<v Speaker 5>of listened everything behind the instruments, you still hear his
<v Speaker 5>voice and it's, like I said, it's almost like an
<v Speaker 5>additional instrument in the band. And I think that's one
<v Speaker 5>of the things that really hooked me on Live to
<v Speaker 5>begin with, was just the musicianship was such at a
<v Speaker 5>high level, and his voice is just, you know, incredible.
<v Speaker 5>He has such a dynamic voice that the only guy
<v Speaker 5>that I think compared to him that came around after
<v Speaker 5>That was Brent Smith of Shinedown.
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let's move on to the next song
<v Speaker 1>on the album, song number three. This song is called
<v Speaker 1>I Alone Not.
<v Speaker 7>These Things You Agree sing in two.
<v Speaker 8>Church Ba.
<v Speaker 3>This one hit number six on the Modern Right Rock Tracks.
<v Speaker 3>I've played both at the Woodstock ninety four festival that
<v Speaker 3>we talked about when we talked about Green Day and
<v Speaker 3>the Mud Slinging.
<v Speaker 4>Yep, so Collective Soul what we're going to talk about
<v Speaker 4>next week.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Collective Soul was there selling The Drama was actually
<v Speaker 3>the first song on the first disc of the Woodstock
<v Speaker 3>ninety four double disc set. So obviously they were doing
<v Speaker 3>well at the time, so well that they invited them
<v Speaker 3>back for Woodstock ninety nine where they played this song.
<v Speaker 6>Tole you thereby seting.
<v Speaker 4>Nice nice.
<v Speaker 1>I read that this song there are elements of this
<v Speaker 1>song that is based on Luke Chapter eight, verses twenty
<v Speaker 1>two through twenty five.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I listened to him talk about composing the song. He said,
<v Speaker 3>you know, the lyric came into his head of it's
<v Speaker 3>easier not to be wise, and he just like he
<v Speaker 3>was like, wow, that just kind of summed up this
<v Speaker 3>really big thing. And then later he came up with
<v Speaker 3>the I sank into Eden with you, and he's like, gosh,
<v Speaker 3>these you know, I'm really happy with these lyrics, but
<v Speaker 3>obviously they don't rhyme. So he did the same thing.
<v Speaker 3>He did the same thing that Mutt Lang and def
<v Speaker 3>Leppard did when they're writing Pour some Sugar on mean.
<v Speaker 3>He scattered some lyrics and that's how he came up
<v Speaker 3>with and measured these things. By your brains alone in
<v Speaker 3>the church, by and by.
<v Speaker 5>Well and then, like I said earlier, this is the
<v Speaker 5>first song I ever heard by live and just such
<v Speaker 5>a good song. And there's so many different changes in tempo,
<v Speaker 5>and it's one of those songs you know, it's up
<v Speaker 5>there with me, like with Stairway to Heaven and you
<v Speaker 5>know Tom Sawyer and whatever else Hotel Coller It it's
<v Speaker 5>a perfect song. It really is in all aspects. Wow
<v Speaker 5>song on the album, but it's it's that kind of song.
<v Speaker 5>It had to me. It has that kind of reach.
<v Speaker 3>For our listening audience who doesn't know Brad as well
<v Speaker 3>as we do. Putting it up next to Tom Sawyer
<v Speaker 3>is a big deal. He's literally wearing a Rush T
<v Speaker 3>shirt in front of us right now.
<v Speaker 1>That's Hot Praise, despite being their third out. They did
<v Speaker 1>not have any money when he wrote this, Like his
<v Speaker 1>dad knew a guy who had a barn that they
<v Speaker 1>could live in, and so that's when he wrote this song,
<v Speaker 1>living in a barn in the middle of nowhere.
<v Speaker 4>He was I alone.
<v Speaker 3>So I sent you guys a link today as I
<v Speaker 3>was driving over here to record.
<v Speaker 4>I wonder what that was for a restaurant?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So cause I was listening and I was wondering,
<v Speaker 3>I was like, huh, I wonder if this is still
<v Speaker 3>a restaurant around, but the name what of the restaurant is?
<v Speaker 3>Because it's still there. Grand Falloon's Tavern there in York, Pennsylvania.
<v Speaker 3>They started this band when he was thirteen years old.
<v Speaker 3>At fourteen years old, he got a job as a
<v Speaker 3>dishwasher there and continued to work there because he he said, like,
<v Speaker 3>I needed money to buy a guitar, and so he
<v Speaker 3>continued to work there through the time that they released
<v Speaker 3>Metal Jewelry. Like, He's like, we still didn't have any
<v Speaker 3>money by the time Metal Jewelry came out, so I
<v Speaker 3>was still working over there. So she's, you know, from
<v Speaker 3>fourteen to twenty one whatever they were when metal Jewelry
<v Speaker 3>came out. He was working over at Grand Fluon's tavern.
<v Speaker 4>We need to go there. That would be cool. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>awesome place to visit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before we move on from this one, if it
<v Speaker 1>were not for one particular memory with a song, this
<v Speaker 1>would be my favorite. So this is my second favorite
<v Speaker 1>song on the album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you pointed the religious imagery in here.
<v Speaker 3>Obviously it's throughout the songs, but just for the one
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned the part in the Bible. It's the lyrics
<v Speaker 3>of the song is you'll need them. Your boat is
<v Speaker 3>at sea, your anchor is up, You've been swept away,
<v Speaker 3>and the greatest of teachers won't hesitate but to leave
<v Speaker 3>you there by yourself, chain to fate. That is all
<v Speaker 3>about the moment that Christ was out in the walking
<v Speaker 3>on the water and Peter went out to him during
<v Speaker 3>the storm. All right, yep, So that moves us on
<v Speaker 3>to the next song on the album. This one is
<v Speaker 3>called Iris.
<v Speaker 7>Alone, just like yesterday song, said Simon tu.
<v Speaker 6>Always.
<v Speaker 4>I love the intro to this song.
<v Speaker 3>I love the fact that we just went from Bible
<v Speaker 3>versus to a blowjob. I like the way my hand
<v Speaker 3>looked on your head in the presence of my knuckles.
<v Speaker 3>I like the way my hand looked on your head
<v Speaker 3>in the presence of my struggle. Well, I don't think
<v Speaker 3>there's really any doubt about what we're talking about in
<v Speaker 3>that scenario.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, he is a young man, So there you go.
<v Speaker 5>Yes.
<v Speaker 3>Now what's interesting is he does then still again throw
<v Speaker 3>it back to the Bible. He says, the Felix of
<v Speaker 3>your truth will always break it. This is a reference
<v Speaker 3>to Antonius Felix in the Bible, the guy who is
<v Speaker 3>so tired of listening to Paul talk about Jesus that
<v Speaker 3>he put him in jail. This is that's that Felix
<v Speaker 3>that he's referred to.
<v Speaker 4>Wow. Yeah, interesting.
<v Speaker 1>This is another song that was performed at Woodstock ninety four,
<v Speaker 1>which I have a feeling we're going to talk a
<v Speaker 1>little bit more about next week.
<v Speaker 5>I'm fighting the roverbial of Doc Martin. This is my
<v Speaker 5>favorite song.
<v Speaker 1>Oh spiking the Doc Martin.
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I always like this when he just has
<v Speaker 5>go back to the tempo changes and I mean it
<v Speaker 5>slows down, it kicks back up, and it just rocks
<v Speaker 5>out at the.
<v Speaker 9>End of the song, and I've just always loved it.
<v Speaker 8>Fa Wow, say remember We're listening to that whole album
<v Speaker 8>through the first time, and it got the song and
<v Speaker 8>we were only four songs in.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, what else did they call them this album
<v Speaker 5>that could be even remotely good? Little did I know?
<v Speaker 5>The rest of the entire album's good, but this has
<v Speaker 5>always been one that stuck out for me. I always
<v Speaker 5>loved the song, my favorite for sure.
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. Yeah, I love this song. And you know, unsurprisingly,
<v Speaker 3>this is yet another band who has cited the Pixies
<v Speaker 3>as an influence to them, and obviously this is that
<v Speaker 3>same Let's be quiet, Let's be loud, Let's be quiet, Let's.
<v Speaker 4>Be loud moment.
<v Speaker 3>I can't I can't get over how good the guitar
<v Speaker 3>riff sounds on this with the powerful stop dunt stop.
<v Speaker 3>It's an amazing song that doesn't sound like anything that
<v Speaker 3>we've heard on the album so far. They're using those
<v Speaker 3>twelve notes the way they should.
<v Speaker 1>All right, move on to my favorite song on the album,
<v Speaker 1>the song that was huge the summer of ninety five.
<v Speaker 4>That song is called Lightning Crashes.
<v Speaker 7>Gosh Mother.
<v Speaker 3>So Ed wrote this song on an acoustic guitar in
<v Speaker 3>his bedroom, in his brother's bedroom actually, just before he
<v Speaker 3>moved out of the house. It was dedicated to a
<v Speaker 3>friend that they had in school named Barbara Lewis, who
<v Speaker 3>was killed by a drunk driver in nineteen ninety three.
<v Speaker 3>But she had donated her organs and her liver went
<v Speaker 3>to save the life of a ten month old baby.
<v Speaker 3>Now you watch the video on this one, which is
<v Speaker 3>absolutely amazing, and you think it's all about the loss
<v Speaker 3>of a child in childbirth. But Ed has said, now,
<v Speaker 3>what he had really envisioned on this was a hospital
<v Speaker 3>where in one room you have an old person who
<v Speaker 3>is dying, and then in another room a new life
<v Speaker 3>is being born. This goes back to the philosophy of
<v Speaker 3>Krishna Murti that he had followed of living life from
<v Speaker 3>a place of selflessness and humility and finding the truth within. Now,
<v Speaker 3>what happens ultimately with this song is something surprising and
<v Speaker 3>a weird coincidence. I'll let Jason tell you about.
<v Speaker 7>That angel closes.
<v Speaker 6>The confusion that.
<v Speaker 7>Belongs no baby Dona Long.
<v Speaker 1>So on April nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, the Olklahoma City
<v Speaker 1>bombing occurred. Something strange happened. There was a DJ in
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City who took this song and added like news
<v Speaker 1>clippings and sound clips and created a version of this
<v Speaker 1>song with all of those, with President Clinton speaking and
<v Speaker 1>victims talking, and for me, it went viral around the world.
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that not as many people knew about it
<v Speaker 1>as I did, but it was a big, big deal
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma City, and I was living in Norman, which
<v Speaker 1>is about twenty miles south of Oklahoma City at the time.
<v Speaker 4>One of these you feel your chase us out of
<v Speaker 4>our chairs onto the poor.
<v Speaker 5>It could have come caving in on me at any
<v Speaker 5>any point in time, but I never gave that one thought.
<v Speaker 4>I'll never want to look at anything like that again
<v Speaker 4>in my life.
<v Speaker 5>This moment, she's been of the forty one children who
<v Speaker 5>had been enrolled in the daycare center.
<v Speaker 4>Some of them were burned beyond recognition.
<v Speaker 3>I allowed my three year old daughter, unbelievable sangy ovens here.
<v Speaker 5>Some of myself said that couldn't look down at the children.
<v Speaker 7>They were carrying colors resents the sun.
<v Speaker 1>I remember that day incredibly well. Me and my two roommates,
<v Speaker 1>Ericmatorier and Cameron Eckert, rushed to Oklahoma City to give blood,
<v Speaker 1>and Cameron and I, because of our blood type had
<v Speaker 1>so many people up there to giving blood, they wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>take us, but my friend was oh negative. They rushed
<v Speaker 1>him right to the front of the line and you
<v Speaker 1>could still see the smoke from the building. And it's
<v Speaker 1>just one of those weird events in your life where
<v Speaker 1>this catastrophic event happens and then a song in popular
<v Speaker 1>culture attaches itself to that event. And to me, these
<v Speaker 1>things are just totally inerlate. So every time I hear
<v Speaker 1>of this song, it just makes me think about all
<v Speaker 1>those people who lost their lives.
<v Speaker 3>Incredible stuff. So here's the interesting twist on things. And
<v Speaker 3>they talked about this, like the guys in the band
<v Speaker 3>were kind of mystified. They described it as surreal to
<v Speaker 3>have this heartbreaking event be connected to something that they wrote.
<v Speaker 3>But as you mentioned early on, this album was released
<v Speaker 3>in April of ninety four. It had been out for
<v Speaker 3>over a year. Whenever the Oklahoma City bombing happened, it
<v Speaker 3>had started to decline in sales. By May sixth of
<v Speaker 3>ninety five, just two weeks after the bombing, it was
<v Speaker 3>the biggest selling album in the world. And I have
<v Speaker 3>no doubt that it had something to do with that
<v Speaker 3>connection to the Oklahoma City bobbing.
<v Speaker 4>You want to hear the top five that week? Sure?
<v Speaker 4>What was the top five on May fifth, nineteen.
<v Speaker 1>Ninety four, So that I found that totally incredible as well,
<v Speaker 1>like it jumps back to the number one spot.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So number five was Me Against the World by Tupac.
<v Speaker 4>Albums Alcocking Albums.
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking albums best selling albums for the week of
<v Speaker 1>May fifth, nineteen ninety five. Number four was the Lion
<v Speaker 1>King soundtra okay, which was huge, right right. Number three
<v Speaker 1>was Cracked for a Window by Hooti.
<v Speaker 4>And the Blowfish. I had it its massive.
<v Speaker 1>Number two was The Friday Soundtrack Okay, and then number
<v Speaker 1>one was Throwing Copper.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, this song did not have a physical
<v Speaker 1>single release, so based on airplay alone on radio stations,
<v Speaker 1>it reached number twelve on the Hot one hundred. Pretty incredible.
<v Speaker 1>It was number one on Modern Rock charts for nine
<v Speaker 1>weeks and was the third single an incredible and one
<v Speaker 1>that still gives me chills.
<v Speaker 4>Brad, what are your thoughts man? Now?
<v Speaker 5>You're just talking about that anything I didn't reize there
<v Speaker 5>was that connection there. I've always loved the song, but
<v Speaker 5>I guess about six seven years ago actually went to Oklahoma City,
<v Speaker 5>went to the Bombing Museum, and I remember when we're
<v Speaker 5>sitting in there and they're playing I guess the meeting
<v Speaker 5>they're having the water department next door or whatever, and
<v Speaker 5>you could hear the bomb go off and everything just
<v Speaker 5>goes quiet, And I mean it literally just sends chills
<v Speaker 5>up and un file And No, it's not really related
<v Speaker 5>to the album, but I can imagine living there at
<v Speaker 5>the time and having that created that connection to that
<v Speaker 5>song has to be something that will never leave. Even
<v Speaker 5>going to that museum and you seeing all the empty
<v Speaker 5>chairs out there outside and all that. I can't imagine.
<v Speaker 5>I really can't.
<v Speaker 1>My good friend Roman was working at the University of
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma Health Science Center as a hospital area where they
<v Speaker 1>trained students and they you know, to be doctors and
<v Speaker 1>nurses and stuff. And he said when it went off,
<v Speaker 1>he looked out and every doctor like on campus plus
<v Speaker 1>students was racing on foot to the building.
<v Speaker 4>Incredible.
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Billboard ranked Lightning Crashes as the
<v Speaker 1>seventieth biggest hit in the history of mainstream rock charts. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I hate to move on so quickly from this one,
<v Speaker 1>but next song on the album is called Top.
<v Speaker 7>Is Not helping Me at All in the name of
<v Speaker 7>God and the distribute.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so right after a song where we mentioned the
<v Speaker 1>word placenta, we have a song about Hitler.
<v Speaker 4>This song is about Hitler. They mentioned Hitler in it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Hitler in a robe.
<v Speaker 5>Of truth, like he had to come out several times
<v Speaker 5>and say I'm not a Nazi Hitler.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean when you shave your head to the album, come,
<v Speaker 3>you got some splaining to do.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So this one has again some more deeply philosophical lyrics
<v Speaker 3>in it. I mentioned, did I mention that the producer
<v Speaker 3>on this one is Jerry Harrison from Talking Heads? No
<v Speaker 3>you didn't, Okay, So the producer he did Metal Jewelry
<v Speaker 3>as well, right, And so when they first found out
<v Speaker 3>that they were going to get a producer, they all
<v Speaker 3>they said, is a guy from Talking Heads and he
<v Speaker 3>adds like David Burn, Yeah, the only guy that I
<v Speaker 3>know from Talking Heads, and he's like, oh no, not him. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>he plays the keyboards all right? Cool, But as it
<v Speaker 3>turned out, they hit it off very well. They would
<v Speaker 3>they would go have lunch and talk about their philosophical ideas,
<v Speaker 3>and that highly influenced his writing of a lot of
<v Speaker 3>these songs. But Jerry at the time was also a
<v Speaker 3>rock star, and so in ninety three he gets them
<v Speaker 3>backstage to Nirvana. In there in Utero tour, we mentioned
<v Speaker 3>this album is recording the same place as and you're
<v Speaker 3>they're excited. You know, they're still just kids who haven't
<v Speaker 3>made it yet and they're getting to go listen to Nirvana,
<v Speaker 3>who were a big influence on them. They go backstage,
<v Speaker 3>they go into the dressing room, which he described as gigantic,
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to the ones at CBGB's Plywood, right, he said,
<v Speaker 3>But when he got in there, it was just Dave
<v Speaker 3>and christ that was it. Like they were looking at
<v Speaker 3>some pictures. They were really interested, and they keep waiting
<v Speaker 3>around for Kurt. And then it was like, well, I
<v Speaker 3>guess he's not going to come. And he's He's like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>well we need we got to go. The show is
<v Speaker 3>going to begin. He's like, okay, I got a pee
<v Speaker 3>real quick. He goes to the bathroom, he's taken a piss.
<v Speaker 3>Somebody steps up next to him and all he turns
<v Speaker 3>and looks and it's Kurt Cobains.
<v Speaker 4>He said, he's on there.
<v Speaker 3>He talked to him for a half a second and
<v Speaker 3>then he knew he's going on stage. But before he
<v Speaker 3>sees him on stage, he sees him curled up in
<v Speaker 3>a fetal position, like on the side of the stage
<v Speaker 3>before they go on, and he's like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 3>there's something wrong with this guy. They go out in
<v Speaker 3>the audience and he said it's the best show he's
<v Speaker 3>ever seen in.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Yeah, I want to hear
<v Speaker 1>that conversation.
<v Speaker 4>What's up, dude, Hey.
<v Speaker 1>Eyes on the peace spot.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, this is the first.
<v Speaker 1>Song where I'm like, Eh, this one really didn't do
<v Speaker 1>it for me. I mean, you got killer Killer, Killer Killer,
<v Speaker 1>And then this one's like, it's less amazing as the
<v Speaker 1>rest of the songs on the album, but I still
<v Speaker 1>love it. I yeah, absolutely love this song.
<v Speaker 5>It's a good song, but when you compare it to
<v Speaker 5>the ones that you know proceeded, it's, you know, it
<v Speaker 5>doesn't quite have the teeth that that one do, but
<v Speaker 5>like you know, he just said, it's still a great song.
<v Speaker 1>The next song on the album is called all Over You.
<v Speaker 7>I love like what ben in you?
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, They're so good, these are these songs are so
<v Speaker 3>freaking good, and this is as close as we get
<v Speaker 3>to a love song from Live so far. Listening to
<v Speaker 3>Ed Talk, I got almost the exact same story that
<v Speaker 3>we got from Billy Joe Armstrong. He had somebody take
<v Speaker 3>him to a r EM concert and he would listen
<v Speaker 3>to the Cure and Husker Do and was like, Wow,
<v Speaker 3>these guys are writing lyrics that are not just your
<v Speaker 3>standard I love you lyrics. These are songs with lyrics
<v Speaker 3>with something behind them. This is the kind of music
<v Speaker 3>that I want to write. And so that's how we
<v Speaker 3>get this. But even with his love songs like he's
<v Speaker 3>he almost sounds angry when he's singing these lyrics, but
<v Speaker 3>it's so powerful what he's putting out there.
<v Speaker 6>For us.
<v Speaker 1>Fourth single on the album, released December of ninety four,
<v Speaker 1>This reaches number four in the Modern Rock Charts, number
<v Speaker 1>two on Mainstream rock charts.
<v Speaker 4>This is a banger. I love it.
<v Speaker 5>It's a great song. I think a lot of people
<v Speaker 5>when I was reading thought it was about prostitution. It
<v Speaker 5>said lay me down, pay me now, you know, And
<v Speaker 5>that's kind of hard not to draw that same conclusion.
<v Speaker 5>But then you listen to ed Talk about it and
<v Speaker 5>you realize it's a little bit more than that. But yeah,
<v Speaker 5>it's a great song. It's said right up there with
<v Speaker 5>the rest of them. It's no, they're just great song
<v Speaker 5>to rock out too, and they just keep going.
<v Speaker 4>I thought that too.
<v Speaker 1>So we got we got Bible verses, we've got blow jobs,
<v Speaker 1>we've got prostitutes.
<v Speaker 5>You gotta Hitler.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't forget Hitler and.
<v Speaker 1>Hitler right list senses right. But he did say he
<v Speaker 1>said he wrote this song when he was about what
<v Speaker 1>twenty one. He said that this is the first time
<v Speaker 1>in their life where everybody was now really interested in women,
<v Speaker 1>and he said it kind of broke up their boyhood solidarity.
<v Speaker 1>This song was used in The X Files in season
<v Speaker 1>three shout out to Deaf David. Also used in the
<v Speaker 1>movie Love and Sex starring Jon Favreau and fam Key Jansen.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Majors, I might check that out.
<v Speaker 1>Anything else on this one, Brad?
<v Speaker 7>Nope?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, hit stop on your tape player, kick it out,
<v Speaker 1>flip it over ver side two, and the next song
<v Speaker 1>is called.
<v Speaker 3>Are we allowed to say the name of this next song?
<v Speaker 3>With our PG thirteen audience?
<v Speaker 4>Down weavers leave up.
<v Speaker 7>The street from me.
<v Speaker 2>Back.
<v Speaker 6>They leave down the street.
<v Speaker 3>For me, so Ed said after they released this song,
<v Speaker 3>they were not very welcome in their hometown anymore.
<v Speaker 4>What what what are you talking about?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, apparently he lived down the street from the
<v Speaker 3>Weavers and up the street from the crackheads, but it
<v Speaker 3>was okay because nobody mowed the grass and you couldn't
<v Speaker 3>see him anyway.
<v Speaker 1>I heard that he wanted to use the cleavers.
<v Speaker 4>Like like June and like Ward like the Beef.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they couldn't get permission to do that. But
<v Speaker 1>I did hear that he said from the stage, don't
<v Speaker 1>ever go there, Do not ever go unless you like
<v Speaker 1>York peppermint patties or Harley Davidson's.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, I like both of those. Yeah, sure
<v Speaker 4>I could do that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't I don't really I like
<v Speaker 1>this song. I just don't really like the I don't
<v Speaker 1>like the sentiment of trashing your hometown too much.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, but maybe you had a good hometown
<v Speaker 3>and grow up yeah like my hometown. Yeah, you didn't
<v Speaker 3>grow up next to the smokestacks of the big factories
<v Speaker 3>in town and live down the street from the craw kids.
<v Speaker 1>I lived down the street from Mazio's pizza sounds so
<v Speaker 1>much much better.
<v Speaker 4>It was nice, It was nice. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So here's the story on how they got out of
<v Speaker 3>the shit town. Okay, yes, all right. So they started
<v Speaker 3>playing local gigs and they ultimately, you know, they they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>we're doing well enough, we should start charging people at
<v Speaker 3>the door. They charged four dollars ahead, four dollars ahead. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>sold out a four hundred seat club and had to
<v Speaker 3>turn people away because it was they had gotten so
<v Speaker 3>big locally, right And of course, now I say locally,
<v Speaker 3>like they they lived in York, which is a two
<v Speaker 3>hour drive from just about anywhere you want to go,
<v Speaker 3>like New York City, Washington, DC, all that other stuff, right, okay,
<v Speaker 3>And so they're like, hey, we need management, and they
<v Speaker 3>wanted this guy named David Cystack to be their manager,
<v Speaker 3>but he wouldn't take their calls. He was like, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know who you are, Stop bugging me, blah blah
<v Speaker 3>blah blah. So Chad Taylor, the guitarist, daddy steps in.
<v Speaker 3>Chad Taylor's dad calls up David Cestack and says, listen
<v Speaker 3>your are they going to listen to these guys or
<v Speaker 3>you're going to make the biggest mistake of your career. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>And that was enough to get him to listen. Like
<v Speaker 3>helicopter Dad came in and made things happen. And when
<v Speaker 3>David says, Dak listened to him, he was like, you
<v Speaker 3>know what, you guys are good, but you need an album.
<v Speaker 4>So what do they do? This is great.
<v Speaker 3>They sold junk bonds to their friends and family for
<v Speaker 3>an interest in their first album. Oh my god, for like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, one hundred bucks apiece or whatever. They're selling
<v Speaker 3>an interest, which of course nobody ever got paid anything
<v Speaker 3>from this course. But they raised ten thousand dollars to
<v Speaker 3>make their first album, which was the Death of a Dictionary,
<v Speaker 3>when they were still under the name they had before,
<v Speaker 3>which was Public Affection. They pressed about two thousand copies.
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of hard to find now, the Death of
<v Speaker 3>a Dictionary. But it was a great success, and so
<v Speaker 3>they're like, Okay, let's see if we can give this
<v Speaker 3>band thing a go. Now Ed had a scholarship to
<v Speaker 3>American College. They were like, we'll pay for your entire
<v Speaker 3>tuition everything, and he said, I deferred it for two years.
<v Speaker 3>I said, we will give ourselves two years to make
<v Speaker 3>it as a band, which is the same story that
<v Speaker 3>we've already told with Weezer.
<v Speaker 4>Weezer, Yeah, a scholarship. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And fortunately in that two year time period they did
<v Speaker 3>very well. The Death of a Dictionary got a Washington
<v Speaker 3>Post review where the writer said they may be able
<v Speaker 3>to take over the modern rock scene from U two
<v Speaker 3>and ra em Wow. That gets them gigs at CBGB's,
<v Speaker 3>which gets them funding from a record company named Giant.
<v Speaker 3>They did a demo with Jay Healy and then Jay Heey,
<v Speaker 3>by the way, produced John Mellencamp. But then once they
<v Speaker 3>had the demo, Giant didn't like it so much, but
<v Speaker 3>Radioactive Records did like it. They signed the band, had
<v Speaker 3>them change their name to Weity Toity I guess, and
<v Speaker 3>they literally drew the name live.
<v Speaker 4>Out of a hat.
<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about how that is like the worst
<v Speaker 1>name of a band. I'm serious because when you google it,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you type in live lightning crashes, you know
<v Speaker 1>what You're going to get a bunch of live versions
<v Speaker 1>of lightning crashes.
<v Speaker 3>Well, maybe, just maybe. Back in nineteen ninety four, like
<v Speaker 3>fifteen years before Google existed, they didn't have the foresight
<v Speaker 3>to know would be searching for their their songs on YouTube.
<v Speaker 4>That's Fair, That's Fair.
<v Speaker 5>Its first live Parentheses band.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, you know who else went to American University?
<v Speaker 4>Who's that? Catherine Colvin?
<v Speaker 1>Really she went one semester yep. Wow, she could have
<v Speaker 1>gone with ed culture all right. Time to move on
<v Speaker 1>to the next song on the album. This one is
<v Speaker 1>called TBD.
<v Speaker 3>No Losing Good, Reaching Forward then this is like a
<v Speaker 3>break song. This is like we've been hitting you hard,
<v Speaker 3>hitting your heart. Okay, now we're gonna give you something mellow.
<v Speaker 3>And first lyrics in this song are in the moment
<v Speaker 3>I was losing my head, reading too much and losing
<v Speaker 3>my head, and I was reaching forward. I was already there,
<v Speaker 3>reading too much and losing my head. This information caused
<v Speaker 3>a cut in the line. Now I'm remembering God and
<v Speaker 3>reading too much. This is in reference to the author
<v Speaker 3>all This Huxley, who wrote A Brave New World, who
<v Speaker 3>was a staunch atheist, who's while he was on his
<v Speaker 3>deathbed and on a morphine drip, his wife read him the.
<v Speaker 4>Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's why we have the name.
<v Speaker 5>I've always liked this song. I love the bass intro.
<v Speaker 5>It's just kind of slow it's kind of relaxing. But
<v Speaker 5>it's just a very smooth intro to this song, and
<v Speaker 5>it's a total departure of everything else that's on the album.
<v Speaker 5>But it's a really really good song.
<v Speaker 3>Could easily be on the Makeout List of nineteen ninety five.
<v Speaker 3>This is a smooth you know if you're if you're
<v Speaker 3>in the pool room at two eight m this song
<v Speaker 3>comes on and the girl is still checking you out.
<v Speaker 3>This is where you go over and start talking.
<v Speaker 4>I can see that.
<v Speaker 1>I can see that, Okay, moving on to the next
<v Speaker 1>song on the album. That song is called Stage. This
<v Speaker 1>is a crowd slammer. This is a mosh pit song.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is this is them doing punk rock, which
<v Speaker 3>is Ed's voice might just be too good for punk rock,
<v Speaker 3>but man, it's a banger for sure.
<v Speaker 5>Well from one extreme the other after TBD exactly. If
<v Speaker 5>I had to pick one song that's probably my least
<v Speaker 5>favorite on there, it's probably this one.
<v Speaker 4>You're not a punk rock guy though, no.
<v Speaker 5>I'm not a punk rock guy, so that's just kind
<v Speaker 5>of a little bit too much like that. I don't
<v Speaker 5>hate it, but when you compare it to everything else
<v Speaker 5>in the album, it's if it's a skipper. This is
<v Speaker 5>the one for me.
<v Speaker 4>So lyric in the song.
<v Speaker 3>He was a rock and roll messiah and she was
<v Speaker 3>known for her child care. You guys remember when Courtney
<v Speaker 3>Love admitted that she did heroin while she was pregnant. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's these two lines are about Courtney Love. Then Kurt
<v Speaker 3>Cobain ironically released the month he commits suicide.
<v Speaker 4>Interesting. Yeah, I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes me the song more interesting to me.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is the.
<v Speaker 1>Moment in the concert when Brad and I are going
<v Speaker 1>to go get drinks. I'm jumping in the mach Do
<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed the mash bit? Yeah, you guys, thirsty
<v Speaker 1>I did hear. I thought this was a great quote.
<v Speaker 1>Ed Kualchek said, at thirteen years old, they believed that
<v Speaker 1>they were going to rule the world. And he said,
<v Speaker 1>right before they had to go to college. They landed
<v Speaker 1>that record deal which we talked about, right. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>they made a video for five thousand bucks and he
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe it, but MTV put it on smacked between
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson and Madonna.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, so that one.
<v Speaker 3>Radioactive Records ends up producing Metal Jewelry, their big hit.
<v Speaker 4>If you want to call it that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, his big hit on college radio was called
<v Speaker 3>Operation Spirit because college radio played it and MTV had
<v Speaker 3>it in pretty high rotation. That album sold five hundred
<v Speaker 3>thousand copies. That's that's not too bad.
<v Speaker 4>That's gold Man.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's not too bad for the first album under
<v Speaker 3>a different name. But these, I mean, these guys, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I read something. This is twenty twenty four report that
<v Speaker 3>credits this album as the beginning of the post grunge movement. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really you know, I hadn't really thought about
<v Speaker 3>that before. But like with grunge, you've got a lot
<v Speaker 3>of nihilism and angst, and so what is the post
<v Speaker 3>grunge reaction to that? Well, if we're talking about this,
<v Speaker 3>it's spiritualism and hope for joy, Like that's really the message.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's got some intellectual messages behind his lyrics
<v Speaker 3>that are more promising and hopeful than what we've had
<v Speaker 3>in the past.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, moving on to the next song. This song is
<v Speaker 1>called Waitress.
<v Speaker 7>Behind the Bitch down Onside, she was a bitch. Change
<v Speaker 7>is good enough. Change Todd's got.
<v Speaker 3>Fam So this is a little less deep than the
<v Speaker 3>fast song.
<v Speaker 4>It's a been all right, guys, hear me on I
<v Speaker 4>got a great song.
<v Speaker 1>It's about tipping your waitress because everybody's good enough for
<v Speaker 1>some change.
<v Speaker 4>Listen at the time that I was listening.
<v Speaker 3>At the time that I was listening to this album
<v Speaker 3>on heavy rotation on my CD player, I was working
<v Speaker 3>as a waiter, and so I loved the song.
<v Speaker 4>I loved it.
<v Speaker 3>She's got a funky bread in her hair. I was
<v Speaker 3>just like, oh, yeah, I know that girl. She is
<v Speaker 3>an f and bitch, but leave her some change. Because
<v Speaker 3>here's here's what you know as a waiter. If somebody
<v Speaker 3>leaves you change, that is to say, much less than
<v Speaker 3>the standard fifteen to twenty percent at the time, right,
<v Speaker 3>That means they didn't forget to tip you. They just
<v Speaker 3>thought you sucked.
<v Speaker 4>Take this home for me, Brad, what are your thoughts
<v Speaker 4>in this one?
<v Speaker 5>I was a waiter when this song came out, too,
<v Speaker 5>and waiter a college student, and we've all been there.
<v Speaker 5>You know it did it just because that's what they do.
<v Speaker 5>But then you know, I preserved the change. But yeah,
<v Speaker 5>he'd had mints words in this song at all.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe he was thinking of somebody at the tavern
<v Speaker 3>that he worked at New York, Pennsylvania Grand Faloons, Grand Falloons,
<v Speaker 3>which I really want to go visit now, I really
<v Speaker 3>want to go.
<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about York Patties all day. I just
<v Speaker 1>want to meet this waitress because I'm sure she's still
<v Speaker 1>working there. Hey, everybody's good enough for some change, all right?
<v Speaker 1>Were ready for the next one?
<v Speaker 5>Moving on?
<v Speaker 1>Next song on the album is called Pillar of Davidson.
<v Speaker 7>Modiza zoom on on Machines that can on be Magma.
<v Speaker 3>This is a beautiful song. To me, This song puts
<v Speaker 3>me in a very calm and easy mood. And it's
<v Speaker 3>another song about their hometown, but a little a little
<v Speaker 3>kinder this time.
<v Speaker 5>To me, it's one of the more underrated songs on
<v Speaker 5>the on the album, and it took me a while
<v Speaker 5>to warm up to it because it's so slow at first.
<v Speaker 5>But then it's in the chorus and it's a little
<v Speaker 5>bit you know, more up tempo, brighter, I guess you
<v Speaker 5>could say. But yeah, I've always liked this song. It's
<v Speaker 5>a really really good one. It doesn't buried kind of
<v Speaker 5>deepen the album. Not a lot of people talk about it,
<v Speaker 5>but it's a really good song.
<v Speaker 3>So I mentioned earlier that everybody pretty much in the
<v Speaker 3>town worked at one of two factories, one making Harley
<v Speaker 3>Davidson parts, the other one making caterpillars. That's how we
<v Speaker 3>get the name of the song, Killer of Davidson.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I think about that. I didn't know it
<v Speaker 4>either until Ed turned me on. I was like, ah,
<v Speaker 4>that's actually that makes me like it more pretty creative.
<v Speaker 4>I did like his quote on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Ed qua Check said, it's a song that you can
<v Speaker 1>sing and maybe feel a little bit less lonely.
<v Speaker 4>Dig it Yeah, love it. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>So of note, if you had the vinyl, if you
<v Speaker 3>were still buying vinyl records in nineteen ninety four and
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety five, you didn't get this song. I had
<v Speaker 3>the CD, so I got this song, but this was
<v Speaker 3>not on the vinyl pressing of ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>Were people buying records in ninety four? I don't think
<v Speaker 4>anybody was hard Well I guess I was. Yeah. Cool.
<v Speaker 4>Moving on to the next one. The song is called
<v Speaker 4>White Discussion.
<v Speaker 6>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>This is the fifth and final single on the album.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And as the disciples of this disenchanting discourse continue
<v Speaker 3>to dampen the day, that's solid songwriting right there.
<v Speaker 7>Guy.
<v Speaker 4>That is awesome.
<v Speaker 5>It's just kind of a cocin clan political correctness. It's
<v Speaker 5>a good one. It's another one just like the one before.
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of very deep in the album, but it's
<v Speaker 5>such a really good song.
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>He really put a lot of time and thought into
<v Speaker 5>those lyrics. I mean, not many people can pull off
<v Speaker 5>that and make it sound good.
<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite song on side too Nice. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I really like this one. You know, he samples that
<v Speaker 1>Colorado speak, that Colorado preacher. Yes, who was delivering you?
<v Speaker 1>I prepared you delivering a sermon on the end of
<v Speaker 1>the world. And Ed recorded him just because he liked
<v Speaker 1>his voice. Yeah, Sam Kennison, Yeah, you know right. This
<v Speaker 1>song was used in the movie Virtuosity nineteen ninety five,
<v Speaker 1>starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.
<v Speaker 6>At the viral.
<v Speaker 7>Sunset rush here and the clock is fine.
<v Speaker 4>I missed that one. It's kind of a junk science
<v Speaker 4>fiction movie.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well let me ask you if did you guys
<v Speaker 3>see Fight Club? Yes, So, as I'm watching Fight Club
<v Speaker 3>in the theater, there's a scene where they're Helena Bottom,
<v Speaker 3>Carter and Ed Norton are talking in a little diner
<v Speaker 3>and a waiter comes up and as I'm watching the movie,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, ah, that looks like the lead singer Alive
<v Speaker 3>right there.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm so turn to my date. I'm like, is
<v Speaker 4>that the lead singer of Live? And she's like, I
<v Speaker 4>don't know who that is.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, that really And it took years before
<v Speaker 3>I finally figured it out because we didn't have IMDb
<v Speaker 3>or anything else like that. And finally I confirmed it. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>that is Ed Kowalcik playing the part of the waiter.
<v Speaker 3>Now I got the full story behind it, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So he moves out to LA He's the only guy
<v Speaker 3>in the band that moves from Pennsylvania out to LA
<v Speaker 3>But he's out there being his rock star and he
<v Speaker 3>he has a friend who is a talent agent named Sean,
<v Speaker 3>and so they go to dinner one night and he's
<v Speaker 3>joking around with Sean and he's like, Hey, I'm a
<v Speaker 3>big rock star. Now you should get me into a movie.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, his only acting experience was playing Captain
<v Speaker 3>Hook in his school production of Peter pant and It's Buddy.
<v Speaker 3>Sean is like, are you serious, and he's like, well, sure, yeah, whatever,
<v Speaker 3>you know, No, not really but okay. A couple of
<v Speaker 3>days later, Sean sends him the script for the movie
<v Speaker 3>Fight Club, and he's like, would you be interested in
<v Speaker 3>being this? And he said, I read it and was
<v Speaker 3>blown away at how good it was. I bought the
<v Speaker 3>book and read that and was blown away at how
<v Speaker 3>good it was. And so he's like, I don't know
<v Speaker 3>if I'm going to get this part or not, but
<v Speaker 3>I got to audition for this part, right, So he
<v Speaker 3>goes to audition for the part, and as it turns out,
<v Speaker 3>David Fincher, who he loves because he loved the game.
<v Speaker 4>David Fincher is a big fan of the band Live.
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's cool and so yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So the part that he was supposed to get, there's
<v Speaker 3>a scene where like this car attendant it keeps spraying
<v Speaker 3>people as they walk by on the sidewalk trying to
<v Speaker 3>inside a fight. And one of the guys he sprays
<v Speaker 3>is this preacher and that was originally who Ed Qualtchik
<v Speaker 3>was supposed to play. But David Fincher was like, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>I want you to have a talking part, and so
<v Speaker 3>he gives him this part of this waiter and I
<v Speaker 3>don't think he says much more.
<v Speaker 4>Than you know.
<v Speaker 3>He's like Helena Bottom Carter orders of the soup, and
<v Speaker 3>Ed Norton is like, just the clean ones. And he's like, then,
<v Speaker 3>may I suggest not that soup? Right, that's right, Yeah, whatever,
<v Speaker 3>I'll have the clam chowder, the fried chicken with a
<v Speaker 3>baked potato with everything and a chopa.
<v Speaker 7>Scompie clean food please in that case, sir, may I
<v Speaker 7>advise against the lady to eating the clem chok.
<v Speaker 4>No clem chow or thank you.
<v Speaker 3>So he says he gets the part, and David Fincher says, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>have you seen The Shining.
<v Speaker 4>He's like yeah, he says, go watch it again. Look
<v Speaker 4>at the bartender.
<v Speaker 3>I want you to be the bartender from The Shining
<v Speaker 3>when you're playing this waiter that's obviously a member of
<v Speaker 3>the fight club.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, great story, man, I remember that part of the
<v Speaker 1>movie now that you bring it up.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think there's rumors out there that he
<v Speaker 3>had gotten the part because Brad Pitt was a big
<v Speaker 3>Live fan, But he said, I never even met Brad
<v Speaker 3>Pitt because the way he.
<v Speaker 4>Was in the scene.
<v Speaker 3>He said that scene, that small little scene they shot
<v Speaker 3>for fourteen hours because David Fincher won't edit as he's going.
<v Speaker 3>He just shoots the whole scene over and over and
<v Speaker 3>over again, like fifty times. And he said he spent
<v Speaker 3>most of the time hanging out with Helen A. Bottom Carter,
<v Speaker 3>smoking cigarettes and she's like, so, how do you like acting?
<v Speaker 3>And he says, I like being in a band.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>When they finally got to see the movie, like before,
<v Speaker 3>everybody else is him, his buddy Sean and meat.
<v Speaker 1>Loaf and meat Loaf who has a part in that movie.
<v Speaker 4>His name was Robert Paulson. All right.
<v Speaker 1>Last song on the album. This song is called Horse
<v Speaker 1>two three four.
<v Speaker 7>All the Things They make You. We know that Jay.
<v Speaker 4>Dude pulling out the country on this post grunge. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I love it. Steal guitar in there, man, I dig it.
<v Speaker 5>It sounds like the song you put it in an
<v Speaker 5>album that sounds like this has closed it off or
<v Speaker 5>it's gonna play something little different, kind of like Van
<v Speaker 5>Halen used to do with their you know, happy trails
<v Speaker 5>on that kind of stuff. That's what it reminded me of.
<v Speaker 5>It's it's a cool little tune. I think James and
<v Speaker 5>them should cover it since Hidden Tracks will be covering
<v Speaker 5>a hidden track that'd be a great.
<v Speaker 3>Perfect hidden tracks James Buckley and a Hidden should cover
<v Speaker 3>this hidden track of Horse.
<v Speaker 1>This sounds like a song that Sandro What's her Face
<v Speaker 1>should have played at the end of any which way
<v Speaker 1>you can.
<v Speaker 4>This is so much better than anything.
<v Speaker 3>I remember when we're covering Huey Lewis in the News
<v Speaker 3>and they ended with a Hank Williams song and you
<v Speaker 3>were like, why am I listening to this? I want
<v Speaker 3>to go back to the beginning, and you know, I
<v Speaker 3>want a new drug and I'm like, no, dude, this
<v Speaker 3>is good.
<v Speaker 4>This is showing the range here.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, we talked about how Live played Woodstock
<v Speaker 1>ninety four YEP along with Green Day, and we're going
<v Speaker 1>to talk about Collective Soul next week Friday, August twelfth,
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four on the North Stage Live then Kings
<v Speaker 1>x Cheryl Crow, Collective Soul, Candlebox and Violent Fems Nice.
<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty solid day right there.
<v Speaker 3>So interesting that you bring up Candlebox because here's what.
<v Speaker 3>Here's the post release album, right we get a few
<v Speaker 3>more albums after this. I really like the album that
<v Speaker 3>came after this, Secrets Somandi. About that album, I loved it,
<v Speaker 3>but not nearly as much as I loved this one.
<v Speaker 3>But after they put out a few albums, eventually something
<v Speaker 3>goes wrong with these guys that have been playing together
<v Speaker 3>since they were thirteen years old. And basically they fire
<v Speaker 3>like Chad Taylor, Patrick Dalmer and Chad Gracie fire ed
<v Speaker 3>qualchik from the band.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and he's like the main composer, yeah, of all
<v Speaker 4>the songs.
<v Speaker 3>And that was really what it was about. I think
<v Speaker 3>he was like, hey, you know, can I get like
<v Speaker 3>a songwriter? You know, bonus here? Since I really am
<v Speaker 3>the guy that's writing and singing all of this. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I've got the melodies, I've got the lyrics. They just
<v Speaker 3>push him out of the band.
<v Speaker 4>They're like, we didn't like you in the eighth grade. Right. Well,
<v Speaker 4>as it.
<v Speaker 3>Turns out, like some other things happen, and it kind
<v Speaker 3>of I kind of got the impression that maybe it's
<v Speaker 3>Chad Taylor kind of pushing the other guys around a
<v Speaker 3>little bit. I looked like he had some sort of
<v Speaker 3>bad business deal that he got sued over for misleading
<v Speaker 3>the person about his net worth. And Chad Gracie, the
<v Speaker 3>guy who was playing drums and with him since he
<v Speaker 3>was thirteen years old. Was like, he's just a liar
<v Speaker 3>and there's really not much I can do to back
<v Speaker 3>him up when he's obviously irrefutably lying in this scenario.
<v Speaker 3>So I think maybe Chad Taylor kind of tried to
<v Speaker 3>push him around. Now they stuck together, and they partnered
<v Speaker 3>up with Kevin Martin and Sean Hennessy from Candlebox, and
<v Speaker 3>they formed a new band called The Gracious Few. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that they had anything that was really
<v Speaker 3>that good, and obviously that one kind of fell apart
<v Speaker 3>after a while. But then Ed gets back with the band.
<v Speaker 3>Ed gets back with the.
<v Speaker 1>Band, and he somehow wrestles the majority of the ownership
<v Speaker 1>of the band away, and the first thing he does
<v Speaker 1>is fire Chad Taylor.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then not long after that, the other two
<v Speaker 4>guys are out too. They're like, we're out here. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>The band that is now live is just Ed and
<v Speaker 4>three other guys.
<v Speaker 1>When you write all the songs, man, you got all
<v Speaker 1>the power.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. He was telling a story.
<v Speaker 3>Jason and I were listening to a story just before
<v Speaker 3>we started recording, where he got a call they were
<v Speaker 3>doing some very big show and their drummer had slipped
<v Speaker 3>on a banana peel basically, I mean it was really like, wait,
<v Speaker 3>are you serious? I mean this sounds like a joke.
<v Speaker 3>Slipped on a banana peel. No, he slipped on a
<v Speaker 3>banana and broke his arm, which is important for a drummer.
<v Speaker 3>You gotta have your arms unless you're Rick Allen. Right, Well,
<v Speaker 3>apparently that's what the drummer did. Like, they had some
<v Speaker 3>other guy come in that was really good, but like
<v Speaker 3>they put two drummers up on the stage and their
<v Speaker 3>regular drummer played with one arm like Rick Allen, while
<v Speaker 3>the other one was kind of a backup Phil Nice.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how it worked out, but I guess
<v Speaker 3>they had a good show.
<v Speaker 4>I love it. Rick Allen the thunder God. Yeah, Brad,
<v Speaker 4>what are your final thoughts on this one? Man?
<v Speaker 5>I mean, like I said earlier, it's one of my
<v Speaker 5>favorite albums of all times, top top five for sure.
<v Speaker 5>I mean, wow, yeah, this album album is obviously their best.
<v Speaker 5>I mean it's just it's solid the entire way through
<v Speaker 5>start to finish. You know, any day I don't have
<v Speaker 5>to be in any particular movie like to listen to it.
<v Speaker 5>Very very good album.
<v Speaker 4>I like this album too. I do think it's top heavy.
<v Speaker 1>I think the front side is really really strong, and
<v Speaker 1>I think it falls off on the second side, but
<v Speaker 1>there's some game changing bangers on the front side.
<v Speaker 4>Can't argue with that. Yeah, Like Brad said, this was
<v Speaker 4>this was the one that was on a top list
<v Speaker 4>of albums for me. I love it. I couldn't.
<v Speaker 3>When we very first started talking about this, and we've
<v Speaker 3>been talking about covering this album four years, it was
<v Speaker 3>it was going to be this one up against Collective Soul,
<v Speaker 3>the Blue Album, And it was only upon realizing, oh hey,
<v Speaker 3>Dookie came out in ninety four, Oh hey, sixteen Stone
<v Speaker 3>came out in ninety four, Oh my goodness, Weezer came
<v Speaker 3>out in ninety four, and then it was just a
<v Speaker 3>waterfall and we had to just pick five, right, and
<v Speaker 3>so we went with these five. I'm anxious to cover
<v Speaker 3>Collective Soul, and then I'm really anxious to do the
<v Speaker 3>top five of nineteen ninety four.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's going to be an epic episode.
<v Speaker 5>I'm ready to listen to that Cluck of Soul episode
<v Speaker 5>as well. They're one of my favorites during that time too.
<v Speaker 5>I actually got to go see them because it's three
<v Speaker 5>years ago. In Mississippi. They opened for Sticks and that
<v Speaker 5>was both of the bands were incredible. That was a
<v Speaker 5>great show. Tommy All came out and played with Collective
<v Speaker 5>Soul for a couple of songs and fun a really,
<v Speaker 5>really good show.
<v Speaker 4>Well you saw them with Jay Hudson. I did because
<v Speaker 4>at the River wind Right I saw them about this
<v Speaker 4>time last year. Yep. Nice, nice Brad. Thank you for
<v Speaker 4>being here. Man, I hope you had a good time.
<v Speaker 5>I did, Man, thanks for having me on. As always,
<v Speaker 5>I enjoyed it great.
<v Speaker 4>Can't wait to talk next week. Collective Soul