Ranking (Almost) Every NFL General Manager

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where my kind of Memorial day is all about ranking decision makers in the NFL. I'm Greg Rosendel. I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and I'm joined by Patrick Claybonn and it is time. Patrick, how long have you been at the company?

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Speaker 2: I have been at the company since October of twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, twelve years in almost for totally. That is amazing. And you've reached your most important day at the company because we're throwing you into the fire. We are going to determine who are the best NFL decision makers right now.

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Speaker 2: I have waited for a very long time to be a part of the rankings apparatus. Okay, and I am here and I'm ready. As people are, you know, celebrating their holiday in which way that they want, I want them to get into this exercise as well and go through the thought experiments that we did and try to come up with rankings of your own and tell us where we're wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel a little bit of sarcasm there.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of guns.

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Speaker 1: There are some people that turn their noses up at rankings. They don't like love them as much. I enjoy it. I enjoy making them, I enjoy consuming them. And yes, it is a perfect Memorial day. Get out on the beach and either listen to rankings or do some rankings. So we're going to talk about the GMS, the decision makers, no matter what their title is. We're not going to count the guys who haven't had a chance to go through a complete year. So that's James Gladstone of the Jaguars and Mike Borganzia the Titans, Darren Muji of the Jets, and John Spytech of the Raiders. I believe that's it. So we're going to rank the rest of them. We had a random drawing before the show of who is going to get the first overall pick. It feels like an obvious one. Patrick won the drawing.

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Speaker 2: Who are you taking with the first pick in our twenty twenty five GM draft. I would like to select Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles, And it feels chalky because it is. I tried to develop a metric using the weighted adjusted value on Pro Football Reference on the draft page wow or for players, which is going to skew towards the guys who have been drafting players the longest because it's a cumulative thing. Like if you draft Kalais Campbell, you've got every collective season that Khalis has had. But in that metric, in in looking at the trades and decisions, even if you want to ding him for taking Carson Wentz, he ultimately trades Carson Wentz, trades that Sam Bradford pick. They were able to make the aj Brown trade. You can't argue with the results of having being on the cup Cup of one super Bowl, keeping this team, rebuilding the roster in one season, in one draft, essentially getting back to the Super Bowl. The coaching decisions, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Howe for me, Yeah, this is theest part. I kind of wanted to get that first pick just because I was curious, And I'll ask you after make my pick, you know who you would take second? Because it seems like a tawi and then it's a big fall. If I did this exercise annually on the website and I would mix it, you know how, we would move up and down depending on the year, certainly, But the last time I did it was before the twenty twenty three draft, and he was number one overall. Back then, And I'm looking at this of like, if I could draft a GM to run my team, who would I draft? And he's the guy who has the most flexibility. One thing I think he's done really well I think doesn't get as much attention is he's gotten a lot of veterans who are like just about to pop off and hit their prime. Hassan Redick was one, Javon Hargave was one, Zach Bond is the most recent one. But he's not afraid to then keep them at like a higher rate like Bond. And so that's offense awesome. And I looked and the entire defense are Howie draft picks, by the way right now, the entire starting blocks and most of the offense, they're actually it's mostly homegrown guys. It's aj Brown, it's Saquon I mean, another guy picking up at the right time of his career. And it's guys that they've they've grown inside. That says, all right, number two, I am going to take Brad Homes of the Detroit Lions. What do you have taken him?

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Speaker 2: Ranking is very similar? Okay, very similar?

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Speaker 1: No, that was tough. I had about four guys that I wouldn't argue with if you if you took second overall. You know, here's the thing with Holmes. The last time again that I did the the GM drift, I will be I mean the GM rankings. I'll refer to this a little bit. He was seventh, and at the time I was like he might be getting a little bit of a push, where like, if you only have a couple of years to look at, then you're more likely to have a good couple of years. But it's tough to sustain it and keep it going. And he's only done better in the last couple of years. I went, you know, we went through the position groups of me and Shook ranking and like they might have the best offensive line of the league, certainly among them, the best safety group, best running backs. Like they've done a good job planning for now, planning for the future. They've had some heat checks, but ultimately, like, what more can you do than build this team? If you're a GM and you're going into what this is your five for him? You want a slow progression and like they've you could you could do a college course on how to build up a team, and Brad Holmes would be the best professor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand people may have depth concerns considering what happened. I don't think it was a It should be celebrated that the Lions were able to accomplish what they did. Yeah, considering the amount of injuries that they had last season, and you mentioned the chances, I value chances higher here, like taking shots, because my thoughts with acquiring talent is you have to try to acquire the unique talent. You can't have a certain form.

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Speaker 1: It's like pre mayor Gibbs friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have your your Pete Carroll's is like we want this height and weight at this position. Like Sean Payton feels that way as well, right, Like you have your design designated, designated guidelines for players, but sometimes players don't fall within those parameters and you take a shot out of it. And that's why I like Brad Holmes in that.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because the golf trade was a win win, and yet just from the line side of things, it's one of the best transactions in retrospect of the last decade. That they got a franchise quarterback and then plus some just to take them. It worked out pretty great for them. All Right, you're up number three.

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Speaker 2: With the third pick in the twenty twenty five GM draft. I am taking Jason light of the Tampa Bay buccaneers sustained success. I understand people may think, like, oh, you get Tom Brady, and it's not just Tom you had. You had to kind of rebuild that roster and keep it together. And also I did value the fact that you get honesty and communication from a GM where it's not like you don't get any cringe comments from the guys that are going to be taken earlier. Here like things just make sense and the adjusted value number like ends up being you know, my matek makes no sense to anybody, including me. But over ten years is fourteen point two, okay in comparison to like somebody like John Schneider who's at sixteen, But that's fifteen years. He's been there for a long time. He's acquired a lot of very good talent. He's been able to keep that talent. It hasn't had a lot of success elsewhere, And that's why I'm taking them here.

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Speaker 1: That is bold and strong. No, I think I would have taken him thirty. We are a Jason Lake draft. The problem is, you know, you look and the Bucks haven't won that many games the last three years, and you know, we're picking him over guy over organizations that have won more games. But ultimately, I think his drafting, his his Baker move the offensive line, building up offensive. I like that you kind of included that he'd be a good hang or that he'd represent you. Well, that is important.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I think in terms of relating with not just media but players as well, people respect honesty and you don't want to be doing gamesmanship. It's like, well, we're not going to negotiate through the media, Like it's not that that particular conversation. You can be honest and answer a question and also have a good faith negotiation. I don't see why those things will be contradictory.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's maybe part of the reason he helped get Tom Brady down down there. I had to look up where is he from? Because he's a funny guy. He's like I was like, he seems like he'd be from New England, like a kind of a sarcastic New England. Okay, but no, he's from Nebraska. Shout out to Jason late number three, big climb. By the way, you know, back when I did it, he was in the he was in the middle of this draft, so he's had a very strong couple of years. But I'm with you, I like how much his veterans want to stay there. I'm taking less sneed fourth overall. Now, like a lot of the GMS, it's a it's a combination effort. I mean they all are, and to some degree, I do think Sean McVay is very important in player acquisition in addition to Sneid. But what Sneid has shown he can do, because remember he was with Jeff Fisher back in Saint louis Is, He's shown that he can adapt and fit what he's going to do to what his coach needs. So to me, that is an asset and a point in his favor, and I lean more heavily on the last few years ultimately, because that's who i'd want now. Who's doing well with the league as it stands right now, and it's tough to do any better than Jared Verus, Steve Abula, Byron Young, Kobe Turner, Puka Nakua at the last few years in the draft, and it's not like he's been any slouch in filling holes in terms of free agency and obviously getting Stafford and all that either. So he is a strong number four.

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Speaker 2: And I think a part of things that may get underrated is Sean McVay as a coach as a human being also requires a little bit of management as well. Yeah, and like managing that relationship where it's like, is Sean McVay going to be doing media, is going to be continuing coaching you you're a part of a franchise, move from Los ange from from Saint Louis to Los Angeles, like all of these things, and you get this, right, the memes, the f the picks shirts. But then he comes around and he has like a couple of the best drafts in recent memory where he's doing all these things, and the numbers you know, wound up to be twelve point six over a very long amount of time.

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Speaker 1: But that's good, right, No, it's the highest.

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Speaker 2: The highest number did wind up being John Schneider just because of the volume of years, and you know, you get Russell Wilson and and all those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, they didn't have many picks for a while, and he made that strategy work. The fact that they that they so clearly had a strategy to load up on a ton of picks the last few years and then that they've hit on so many.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he was he was high on he was high on nine as well. And you know, I'm running out of my my top picks.

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Speaker 1: Great great hair as well. Yeah, shout out to Thomas de Mittroff because Leslie gives him a lot of credit. He's from the Thomas de Mittroff GM Tree who was a great GM back in the day. Hasn't been in a league a while, but I'm sure he's very proud of.

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Speaker 2: Also also from you know, you follow Alabama. Shout out to the folks on the Lake and at one point was a Troy Trojan So uh un, let's need all.

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Speaker 1: Right, you're the number five overall pick.

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Speaker 2: I am going to Buffalo to draft Brandon Bean uh And ultimately you can make the arguments like, oh you draft the space Alien. Hey, yeah, everything's going to look great. Nobody thought that this was going to be what Josh Allen turned out to m There's there's supporting and developing a player, surrounding him with enough talent, especially the Stefan Diggs move as well to get him that player. During that point in his development, and you know, he over eight years in terms of just to value averaging among the picks gets up to fifteen point three okay, which for that time time frame is almost as close as you can get. And his Buffalo Bills have been as close as you can get multiple times where bounces of a ball, bad plays, weird decisions have ultimately resulted in their runs ending. I think this is a great spot to get him, and so I will take him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fine. You know, I have three names ahead of him, so it's not like I have him buried. I think the top of his drafts lately have him been good enough, Like the he hasn't got enough primetime talent. Now they're always drafting at the back of the first round. And it's not like Dalton Kincaid, for instance, like a bad pick. But sometimes I feel like it's like their style of defense. They're like good, not great, and it's a lot of good And Daniel Jeremia always says like they're searching for doubles, you know, and because the doubles sometimes turn into a home run, they're searching. I feel like the Bills, I have a lot of like singles to doubles and they've settled into having a really good offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: I gave extra points for that, and so he deserves credit. It took him a while to get there. By it them a few spots lower. I can feel one fan base when they see these rankings being upset. So I'm actually going to go off my board and make it oh wow, well not.

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Speaker 2: Just to a PE's and upset fan.

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Speaker 1: Base some way, I'm just moving them up one spot.

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Speaker 2: Happy to hear that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Brett Veach should well, they don't act.

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Speaker 2: Not only do I disrespect your g also think.

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Speaker 1: I don't disrespect him. I have Brett Veach next and in on my original rankings, I had him sixth, and I just kind of want him to be to be sixth here, and you took Bean too early, so he you know, he's got the Super Bowls and you can say, oh, yeah, well he's got my Homes. Yeah, he was even more than Brandon Bean. I think it synonymous with that pick, because maybe maybe it's just after the fact trying to take some credit, but by all accounts was pushing hard for that Mahomes pick throughout, So he gets credit for Mahomes too, But more importantly, I think they've done a good job managing how the salary CAP's gonna work, how many players you can't have to pay, being flexible changing depending on the year. They do a really good job finding the right defensive backs. For Steve Spagnolo, they don't necessarily like value off ball linebacker, and so they found really good cheaper ways with these mid round picks or at Drew Trankll to like fill those type of holes while spending big money. They obviously fixed the offensive line a few years ago. Now it's taking on, you know, some problems there at left tackle, and they aggressively go for it. I think the Tyreek trade worked out as well as you know, could possibly work. I think he needs his wide receivers and his left tackles to hit right now. But I didn't feel comfortable with him falling any further.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was there was times where it's like, you have this tremendous opportunity because you have Patrick Mahomes and the problem of this career, and they were just kind of trying to squeak by at other spots that were a little frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's hard, it's so it's isn't it impossible. It's because of the salary cap to be good everywhere. So the fact that they've won at least twelve No, they did win eleven games in twenty three, but you know, at least twelve eleven or more since twenty eighteen. Yeah, that's pretty strong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the you know, the numbers. The numbers also bear that out where he winds up right in between Jason Light and the player the GM I'm gonna pick.

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Speaker 1: Next, okay, and it's not all about the draft either. We're talking free agency, we're talking trades, and I think Veach has been pretty flexible and doing well in those areas as well. Although let's be real, Andy Reid has close to as much power and I think, say in terms of the personnel, as almost any coach on this entire list. So Andy Reid gets a shout out here, and when we say Brett Veach, it's sort of a stand in for Brett Beach and Andy as a team. All right, yere up.

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Speaker 2: And I think that goes for my next pick, which will be John Lynch of the San Francisco forty nine, who, again, some of these years were shocking to me that it's eight years for John Lynch in Santa Clara coming in twelve point three, a little bit behind Less Snead. And in terms of the talent acquisition, of course they get a big boost, right, they found a starting quarterback the very last pick in the draft. They've some of the contract management stuff has taken a while, but they ultimately get it done.

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Speaker 1: Might be ownership there too, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that could be related. But when you are a contender for an extended period of time, you are I guess some folks aren't. Like we just discussed Bean right in his acquisition strategies, which I think that they've taken shots, but the forty nine ers have absolutely taken shots, and that era may be over now, but I do give them credit because to be that close for that long is something we're celebrating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that when you look at the forty nine Ers over the last handful of years, it's still true now. It was true last year even when they won six games. One of the first things you think about them is, Wow, that's a really talented team. And so you got to get you got to give the GM ultimately. And Kyle Shanahan again, Kyle Shannan has a lot to do with this. I've been so I've always felt like their relationship it was an arranged marriage, and they've really made it work. And I'm actually impressed it has stayed together as long and a little surprise that its stayed together as long as it as it has. But very talented guys. They're good at finding guys at work on the offensive line. Maybe a little I don't know. I give Kyle Shannan maybe more credit than most coaches, but John Lynch was seventh by the way back in twenty twenty three. He was right at the same spot.

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Speaker 2: It almost deserves its own podcast on how it would separate from the GMS and these things.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that you didn't take that. Your Ravens is Eric Tacosta next. I think they've done a good job rebuilding on the fly while winning a ton of games. They have changed their roster each offseason really for the last three off seasons, especially the two before this one, about as aggressively as any team had to because they just had guys aging out. And he actually hasn't had great drafts, Eric Tacosta. I don't think we'll see what your numbers say. He had that Kyle Hamilton draft with Linderbaum, which was fantastic, but otherwise it's been pretty mediocre, which is why you know, for me he falls this far though I had him a little higher in my list. But he is good, I think at getting guys at the margins to help his team, whether it's a veteran that you add to the mix last minute or just little additions mid round pick stuff like that. I think he's a very solid GM.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's solid. I did have him a couple of spots downs that was probably lingering frustration over the Lamar deal, where I felt like the window could have been extended and you could have gotten that deal done earlier instead of waiting for the Eagles to make the Hurts offer and being like this looks good. I think there could have been a more competitive offer made earlier on in the process.

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Speaker 1: In the process, let's forget how crazy it was two years ago. Remember the Falcons were like, Nope, we don't want Lamar Jackson. Remember Lamar Jackson requesting a trade. It was dark days and.

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Speaker 2: All that was very unnecessary to me, as well as the public conversation about the difficulty of the negotiation when it's like you make an offer, the player decides if he wants it or not. It's it's even less difficult when there's there's no agent involved, you know, depending on who they're working for, most often themselves, but there's there.

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Speaker 1: There was that and I think, don't get Patrick going on his anti agent screeds, one of one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: We will probably sick of it at this point. It comes out to six years nine point three okay on the scale where it's that you have to give him credit for the trade for Roquan. Yeah, you know p Q ends up leaving and going to the Steelers there, but he makes the Roquan trade core pieces of the team look good and it's you know, they're gonna have a chance every year. That the most important reason for that he flirted with not having on the team anymore for to save how much money I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, right, And technically that he did draft Lamar Jackson at least he was he was there. That that is maybe like a small demerit on the costa that Azzi is literally over his shoulder still because if you if you see at the combine there there's Azzie, but they're they're a combination, so they all get credit. The Costa was thirteenth on my list. By the way, a few years ago, you're up next with the ninth.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm going way off of your board, and I'm gonna have to defend this with passion, and I will I will take Terry Font Oh my god, I will stop.

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Speaker 1: I will see. Now we can't send out the you know how they've been sending out like a list with the rankings, and I have been afraid that something like this would happen. I can't send this list out now that has Font to down nine. I literally have him like twenty I am.

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Speaker 2: I am sure that you do. I am sure that you do. And I am sure that you also have Mickey Loomis at the very near the bottom, if not, if not the absolute bottom of our exercise too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: And so if are we giving Mickey Loomis credit for twenty seventeen, I'm not anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying who I want to hire right now. I don't want to hire Terry Font. No, he hasn't done well. Why would Terry Font know be nine?

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Speaker 2: Because I wanted to come in this with a clear eye develop a metric and he has assembled in four years ten point twenty nine, you know, scoring higher than Eric da Costa, relatively score higher than a lot of people on this list by acquiring very, very good talent that has played and played early and had success. And I think that, of course, the albatross is going to be this contract that I feel doesn't get done without ownership involvement to the extent that you draft a quarter presence, Yeah, that you draft a quarterback immediately after the deal, because like that was something that the boss wanted to do. It.

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Speaker 1: It's not all about drafting, it's about everything that they do well.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs. It becomes more difficult to do everything. Hey, when you've got all this money devoted into a quarterback that was literally in recovery, like post surgery recovery when they got the deal done.

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Speaker 1: I just mean, if another GM on draft day is saying, like, hmmm, where can we get a good deal from who was going to give up too much in a pick? I'm calling Terry Fonteno. He's given up that extra first round pick. He's been there for four years. So a big thing for me is GM in their third season, you want some proof of concept of what you've done. And right now he is entering year five. They've had a losing record every time. He botched the first head coaching higher and so I'm putting that on him ultimately the second one, Like we'll see how that goes. He has the Kirk trade. The high picks have been fine. I wouldn't say, like we'll see on Pennix. Pitts has been not a good pick. London has been a very good pick. And Jeanne's been a good pick too. So you know, that's about what you would expect. Maybe a little better than you would expect. He brought in Jesse Bates. It's not all terrible, but I knocked him big time for not going after Lamar Jackson and for going for Deshaun Watson. And I don't care if it was ownership. I'm putting Terry Fino in that big bucket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And again it's the difficulty of separating the owner.

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Speaker 1: And in terms of they wanted Deshaun Watson, they didn't want Lamar Jackson, and they haven't had a winning record.

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Speaker 2: I think that the individuals in charge of these institutions were the ones responsible for the Deshaun Watson fiasco. Including the one that took the blame in Cleveland for it. But man, there's it's just if we haven't seen proof of concept for Atlanta and the team that Like, we both agree that Jason light belongs in the in the top echelon of these gms. Yeah, and they were right there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the season in which they had to start a rookie quarterback late. So like, how is that not proof of concept?

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Speaker 1: I get that you you don't want to just ranked vibes. I'm okay, Like, I don't look at it as vibes. I look at it as taking all the information that you have and trusting that you can mash it all up and then come up with kind of what's an opinion and take some things out of context. I would say that what's the best thing about the Falcons last handful of years? I would say the offensive line. Fatah had nothing to do with that. So that's like the one part of the team that was good. He hasn't been able to build up.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they we're starting Taylor and Desmond Ritter dog right, I just well, that's partly on him.

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Speaker 1: He's entering year five. I man, it's tough. He you got you want to see some better proof of concept than Fontano has had.

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Speaker 2: After four years, big season in Atlanta, Greg is gonna turn me into a burn It could be the biggest Falcons fan in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have him at twenty three ran twenty three. We we got to pick up the pace. I gotta make a pick. No, don't be sorry, I mean, do be sorry that you took Fonten out. I'm loving my Brian kudu Gun's value here at number ten had him eighth overall a couple years ago. Again, a guy who I think has shown an ability to find a good offensive line, Like finding really good players in the second third round. Man, that is like one of the toughest things to do, and they've done it consistently, so that that is a great base to build up. They need to transition from kind of being that that team that's the youngest team in the league every year and being a little more talented. He's had has six first rounders right now. Patrick. On his defense, you would want the defense to be better than it is, and you would want to have better overall players considering the investment there. So that's a little bit of a knock, but overall, you give him credit for the Jordan Love pick and give him credit for a lot else So I like, goody here at number ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've put a lot of talent in a lot of places almost and also they've they've been able to make moves in free agency. You're still shaking your head.

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Speaker 1: I am, I am, because I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking about the way I'm going to have to couch this in a tweet or if we if we like, uh, if we make a board, we got to put a big asterisk one controversy. Patrick made this pick. It doesn't count. Yeah, I'm being me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's not. It's not mean to me. It just I look at I look at talent on the roster. It's the same conversation we're having about Brian Guttacunz to where it's like, ultimately like Howie's the only one that can take the credit to being good right, like bread Bread Veech as well, like those.

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Speaker 1: The it's fair if the Falcons go twelve and five this year and they're rolling, I expect Patrick to order some sort of Terry Fonta T shirt. I don't know if we could do that, Let's take a quick break and we'll move on from the top ten. Back on NFL Daily Studio, still shaking with a reverberation. Most controversial thing heard around the world. Some people say it's it's not really even appropriate to do what Memorial Day, that you're you're not respecting the troops by making the fire.

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Speaker 2: I'm accuse them of many things.

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Speaker 1: Let's go number number eleven. Who do you got now? I don't know what this system tea this. If we wanted to really get off track, this may be a sign where you got to combine the analytics side with the common sense side, you know, the two sides.

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Speaker 2: That's what that's what's being done here.

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Speaker 1: I can't totally rely on that's what's.

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Speaker 2: Being done here. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that's not that's not what's being done. I will go down by the numbers now to the next pick no, because this was my wriankings. I will take Nick Casseio here, who is assembled to nine point one over four years, where it feels like Nick Casserio has been in Houston for at least nine years.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked to find out been that many head coaches that.

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Speaker 2: It's that it's only been for and and yeah, if if not for the precipitous turnover and head coaches, maybe maybe it would have been a little higher had they actually been devoted to winning football games before now. But but I just think it's a very good roster. Uh, it suits the coaching staff very well, and that these players, some of them, you know, haven't had success elsewhere. They they've come to Houston and they've they've been able to accomplish the things. And so I like the way this team is built.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a great call. That they've helped to make other teams players. That's a great sign of a good coaching staff in a good front office. Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna lie. He had me. He had me in the first few years. I thought I thought he was he was a bum Casario. But they got two Rookies of the Year the year after that. They're there. Their secondary is outrageously good. Lasseter Bullock, Petre Stingley, all all guys that that Caseario drafted, he drafted Nico Collins in the first draft, that the Daniel Hunter pickup was good. I'm with you, Adam Peters is going to be my pick here at number twelve. This one's tricky because he's only been there for a year and a half. But I think you can only grade on what he's done, and jayde Daniels gets the most credit for that. But Adam Peters, you know, he took jayde Daniels, who I mean, he had great options between him and Drake May, but he took Jay and Daniels. Obviously a franchise changing pick, but a lot of good moves around the edges. The Sandra Still pick was good, Uh, finding guys kind of like Bobby Wagner and Doran's Armstrong and Frankie Lou who could just step in right away. So what can you really say. I didn't like his picks subjectively, I mean his free agent pickups this offseason, but I really didn't put much into that because we don't know how they're going to work out. So I think it's unfair to put on him that I didn't really like love him. They might work out great, So I put him here at twelve.

00:30:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense at twelve. The numbers right, for one year, it was the best one year you could possibly have, right, So you get you go to quarterback and go to the NFC Championship game. He starts every single game. That's going to skew things like if you if you made this a ten if he had that level of success, the numbers, I know, the numbers make sense to everybody. He'd be like thirty points ahead of ever.

00:30:56
Speaker 1: He'd be the greatest.

00:30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, g.

00:30:59
Speaker 1: Everyear if he drafted Jayden Daniels and that's going.

00:31:01
Speaker 2: To be possible, Like yeah, like nobody might have that level of success. It was almost like in terms of value, like Puka had a similar level of season, but that's not even at the quarterback position. So it's it's crazy.

00:31:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, see you you were looking at the entire tenure. I'm definitely leaning a little more towards lately. So I'm curious who you're going with next.

00:31:21
Speaker 2: I am going with the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, Okay, and Jerry Jones.

00:31:26
Speaker 1: Interesting it is.

00:31:28
Speaker 2: He would be significantly higher in terms of talent acquisition because I couldn't even do the full math on his tenure because that would be crazy and the numbers would be just wouldn't make any sense. But just in terms of the recent value in all of these players he should be higher. But the way that these contract decisions get dragged out and they'll go into the they'll go into a year like having money to spend and not spend it. There's some questionable things, but the talent that has been on the roster during this window has been good enough, uh, to to contend for a Super Bowl. They haven't, they haven't done it, but all you can all you can hope to have is the ability to do that. And I think you know, despite being the person who signs all the checks, uh, they've been able to do it.

00:32:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, Item tenth last time around, I definitely had them a few spots lower than you, but nothing crazy similar negatives to you. His hot streak in the draft has ended, though, and so like that's a big deal that he had the Parsons draft with Odiggy Zoo was in that draft. But the best picks in the last three drafts or so is Tyler Smith. Like Ferguson, like, we got to see some more results out of these recent picks. I did like the pickings move though, so I think that that's fair. Overall, they've done a good job bringing in high end talent. Me and I really struggle. I do like go off vibes a little bit, and I'm on the clock here and I'm looking at my board, and uh, it says one thing. And yet sometimes you got to be on the clock to feel what's really in your heart. And I want Sean Payton, George Payton now, I don't want to wait around any longer. I think Sean Payton and George Payton are bringing a level of professionalism that I'm feeling comfortable with. Now, is it Peyton or Patten? I keep forgetting it's Peyton. They're both Peyton.

00:33:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's George Payton, but they're not spelled the same.

00:33:22
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, he brought in Russell Wilson. That's a pretty big knock on him. And so they haven't had a lot of picks since Russell Wilson because they lost so many in that trade. But they hit on Bonnicks, they hit on Riley Moss, and then I really like some of the free agency moves that they've made. Zach Allen, Jonathan Franklin, Myers, Peyton was there, George Payton when they drafted Quinn Minors, who's turned into an All pro. And what you see with Sean Payton and this is where I think his ability to merge personnel and coaching matters is like some of the mid round guy, like he'll add like a Marvin Mims. He's going to find a role for Marvin Mims, I think to be a contributor and a productive player. I know he's a young player, but just as an example of like, he's gonna find roles. So I like him in this spot. I wouldn't have wanted him in the top ten or anything, but I think he's like a floor razor.

00:34:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, it slots in and there's a It gives me an opportunity to take a GM that I didn't think that I would be drafting, but I'm taking. I'm gonna take John Schneider, who I just passed here. After fifteen years, the numbers come up to sixteen point one. But again, when you have that amount of time, it's gonna lift the numbers up. Like again, Jerry Jones would have been way off of this list. I mean looking back where it was Bruce Irvin, Russell Wilson, and Bobby Wagner in one draft. They didn't have a lot of picks that year, but through a stretch like they get Richard Sherman the year before, assembling one of the more notable units that we'll remember from this entire era of football in the Legion of Boom, where I know Pete it was a huge factor in that, and judging by the way things have gone in the past few years that they probably had very different visions, but they were able to collaborate and make it work. And this this feels like a good spot for him.

00:35:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to rank him lower, frankly, but I looked at the drafts lately and you got to give him credit like Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba that's a great draft, the Charles crossboy, mafe Riek willin. Now, I know Pete's still there at that point. You know there was a slump before that, but the offensive line you got to hold against him. But he's made some good pickups like Leonard Williams Ernest Jones were good pickups. I think the first you know, they should have kept Gina Smith, so I'm kind of knocking them for that, But I also think it's hard to separate, like who gets credit for Gina, So I would give more to Pekro. I think that like when I was Sean Payton. Though like over Schneider, for instance, there is something about he's He's now the man there in a way that I'm not like fully comfortable. He's a he's like himself, and I think I want like some of these other guys instead. I don't know why because of that, just off vibes man this we're in the middle of the draft. It's tricky. You can get people feeling different types of ways about Duke Tobin of the Bengals that he could be at the very close to the bottom of this list or closer to the top because of what he's been working with in Cincinnati. It's a difficult situation. I think that right in the middle is okay. His offensive line fix really has just only gone okay. You got to blame him a lot for what's happened on the defense because they've put a ton of resources there, a ton of swings hasn't totally worked. I think over his entire stretch run, he probably would be ranked a little higher for me, but I think I'm leaning I'm not really giving much credit to something, well, you did seven eight years ago. At this point, I'm thinking more about the last handful of years and they've been mediocre. I think they need to do better building around Joe Burrow.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a spot where I was considering Duke Tobin as well. I know that you know there's frustrations with the Trey Hendrickson deal, but he didn't even mention, uh Duke Tobin by name. It was like it was it was a coach, you know, some communication issues and is in his availability and talking about his contract. And I understand that they got the t and Jamar deals to deal with.

00:37:24
Speaker 1: What's very nebulous what Tobin like Toblin is Tobin is clearly running the draft. But I think this is more of an ownership right team than most uh not, you know, not as much as the Cowboys, but closer to that than than most teams out there. They're old school the Browns.

00:37:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, team send us power percentages for decisions, so that we can know. I will go to to our relatively new our guys and take many awesome for it. Okay, of the Arizona Cardinals.

00:37:54
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're looking on my sheet. That was next. I thought that would be cool.

00:37:58
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, do you want to I'm just going to take. I don't want to run a foul of your list, as I have not earlier where I've committed a crime. I feel bad, No, don't feel bad, Not for me. You know, I'm fine. Terry Fondo, maybe we want to come after you, but Jason light might ye know, he'll be happy, Ye, he'll be happy. Yeah, the Falgrets are trash, Mickey, I'm sure you're a good friend as well. We'll love it. I don't know how Dan Morgan will feel, but yeah, if we're talking about many, awesome for it. It needs more data, uh, for for him and some of the you know, the guys I have in this range. But I think taking that situation and going in with a new coach and trying to figure out how to handle your quarterback situation and all these things bringing us this, this this search bar of a defense that we're starting a little bit more about. I like the free agent acquisitions as well this year, so it makes sense I'll take money here.

00:38:56
Speaker 1: I really like their off season. I'm trying not to put too much weight on that because we haven't seen it's going to work out, but I really like their draft. I like their offseason. I like that he's gotten contributors in the draft, like Paris Campbell was a good one, and some of the guys in the secondary like Max Melton and Michael Wilson and Garrett Williams, like they got these guys that aren't household names search bar. But I think he's done a good job, like I don't. He's entering year three. So this is like the push here, But there's not much you can really fault in manti Astin for I think that's good. I don't want you to feel like you can't just draft as if no one's watching, as if I'm not watching. This is not I don't want this to be.

00:39:38
Speaker 2: This is what we're doing.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: Like I'm listening on audiobook to this kind of tell all memoir about Facebook, and it's it's amazing. It's by Sarah win Williams. It's incredibly written. She's a very trustworthy narrator and everything that you could possibly think, how bad it would be to be in the inner inner circle of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, it's it's it's worse than you think.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: Does it go over me? And more?

00:40:10
Speaker 1: It is about foreign relations. It hasn't gotten there, but that was her job, So I maybe haven't gotten to that part, but yeah, it is electric for a non fiction book. Anyways, It's not unique to Facebook, but I think it was true among her bosses. You know how how little everyone would say honestly to the bosses, especially Cheryl Sandberg back in the day. I don't want to be the Cheryl Sandberg or Mark Zuckerberg of NFL Daily where you're not just drafting who you want to draft.

00:40:41
Speaker 2: No, as evidenced my recent history, that is what I'm doing. And you know, go Falcons.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: We have a special guest producer here today, Chris Babona in the chair. Did you did you follow the reasoning at all of what I was talking about with the Facebook book memoir analogy?

00:41:03
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, because obviously Patrick always is like on the NFL lines, he doesn't like want to branch out, and you being like Facebook zucker Billet and are always on him.

00:41:14
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I was just trying to say, like did that come through? Is that too much of it? But you got to let Patrick outlet that's what we don't want to do that. I mean, it depends to a degree. I want Patrick to continue to work here at NFL Media and with me as like long as possible, and so we don't want to let him totally out, but Terry Fon knows. Mostly the book is called Careless People, by the way, and it's been a resign bestseller, better than I could have expected. All right, next up, this is where the list it gets tough for me. I'm gonna go Joe Joe Hortiz just so far, so good. I kind of I just like the cut of his jib. He's the Chargers GM for those who don't know good in front of a microphone. I think it's made a lot of really like sound decisions so far. They found some late round picks at cornerback, Cam Hartzart Heap still that that I liked. I think their first round picks have been solid. They got a little more aggressive, not crazy in free agency this year. It's it's more just an incomplete but so far, so good, and for what it's worth, like the guys that they brought in contributed to a team that improved quite a bit, So Harbaugh obviously gets the most credit for that, but he's right there with Jim Harbor.

00:42:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes perfect sense, especially with like the potential for the things to change, like Monty and as well as Joe Jorties are just kind of right there.

00:42:46
Speaker 1: Right, which is maybe why I should have put him lower, but I don't know. It's just like, so far his batting average is good to me, all right, you're up next.

00:42:51
Speaker 2: In terms of winning, things have been pretty good for the Minnesota Vikings here as of late, so I will take Quessiodolfo mensa. It's I understand, like, if you're talking about draft value, there's been some trades that have kind of limited things, Like in my metric, right, when you have like a Dallas Turner as well as a first round quarterback that's not going to play, you know, you're not able to get any value for those guys. But there is potential for those things to change. And you know, at this point, we wouldn't be talking about Sam Darnold starting like being a surefire starter, getting the contract that he got and dethroning Gino in his position if not for you know, this front office's efforts as well as you know, Kevin O'Connell obviously plays a role, but they work together, so I'm sharing the credit and the value there, So I.

00:43:45
Speaker 1: Got Yeah, Honestly, I'm laughing because I sort of forgot about QUESTI and I would have taken him earlier. Now, I think, judging by the coach you know draft we had, like I took him forth overall, Questy wouldn't have been close to that height, wouldn't have been in my top ten because his drafts ultimately have been below average on by and large. Yeah, I would say.

00:44:06
Speaker 2: Like if we were going vibes, yeah, and I didn't try to look at numbers on this, I would have had Quesci way higher.

00:44:12
Speaker 1: But free agency they took they got Jonathan Grenard. They essentially like let Hunter walk and got Grenard, a younger player who I think fit the scheme that they have. Not that he's better than Danil Hunter, but he came in at less money and was a really good free agency pickup. Van Ginkle great pick up. I think he deserves some credit for that. But yeah, that some of their better like young players are you know. Blake Cashman was another pickup. He probably should have gone like a little higher. Apologies to to Quesci, but yeah, this is fine. What are you going to disrespect the other people are around here. I'll take Omar Khan now, only three drafts running the Pittsburgh Steelers the more that you hear from reporters. I think Mike Tomlin has as much personnel power as he's ever had. He's probably had always a little more than we realize when he worked with Kevin Kolbert, but that was someone that had been in the organization for two decades and now he's working with a younger GM. So I think Tomlin has a big hand in these drafts, and lately they've been good. I mean, it's kind of crazy he's this late because like Joey Porter, Junior, Keanu, Benton her Big, you know, they've gotten some good offensive linemen and Zach Frazier and McCormick. We'll see about Fallaton and he's got to see how Project Jones at, whether he's healthy. But the drafts have been pretty good. They don't do a lot in free agency. They made the DK trade, which overall, I like. The quarterback position obviously is a huge negative, and so he pays for that. If it wasn't for the quarterback, if he had I'm trying to think of like a like if he had traded for Gino Smith a couple of years ago or something, they were like they had to fix the quarterback position. To like an above average level. A couple of years ago, he'd probably be in my top ten. But that's a pretty big knock on the team.

00:46:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've had a very long time to develop a plan at that position, and other teams have found their quarterbacks, some have found multiple quarterbacks during that time frame, and you need to address it.

00:46:12
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we're gonna wrap up the draft.

00:46:16
Speaker 3: At this.

00:46:25
Speaker 1: Back in the NFL Daily, we have drafted twenty men whose job it is to draft to be evaluated. Not so easy when to choose on the other foot. Huh, guys, you know you don't like being picked late.

00:46:39
Speaker 2: Turn that microscope on yourself, look into your cells.

00:46:44
Speaker 1: I do feel that you know somewhat bad. But this is what happens when you get to the end of these lists. I felt this way about the coach too. I was like, we're in pretty good shape. Like I don't think the next few g gms are for the most part, have done like a terrible job. It's kind of like having a late show. As Jimmy Kimmel, I heard one say, like, if you still have the show, that's a success. So like, if you are a GM, that's a success, and especially a couple of these have been around a little while, that's a success for them.

00:47:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, your your job is to keep your job, and a lot of times, you know, we've got some person. You know, people think personalities are exclusive to players. Managing relationships with ownership is probably an important part of the job. And if you you know, if you have a job, you know that that's what that's what people like to do.

00:47:30
Speaker 1: Well, the older you get, you realize that's so much more important or telling for who gets put forward or sticks around, like sucking up to bosses really helps.

00:47:43
Speaker 2: I would like to take Chris Greer, who has a massed thirteen point seven on my metric for a very long time, since since twenty sixteen. Where you've get a lot of good players who contribute. The problem is some of those players wind up contributing in play says that are not Miami. One notable example would be of you know, they make the trade of Miga Fitzpatrick, they get a first round pick. They ultimately take Tua in the first round there, but that wasn't the pick that they traded.

00:48:20
Speaker 1: It took Austin Jackson.

00:48:21
Speaker 2: Rather, it took Austin Jackson with the Minka trade first round pick, and they've been contenders. They've assembled a good team, just haven't maybe three or four wins, which is crazy over the course of these years, could have changed his position in my rankings a whole lot. But I think relative to the rest of the ones that are available, I like getting Chris Queer here.

00:48:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a round where I had him as well. I had him fifteenth last time. I think the hardest thing to measure here would be you need to have the summer your parts be, you know, the team be greater than to some of their parts, and I think they would be the opposite of that. I think they've made a lot of moves that individually look like they worked out pretty well. But overall this organization has always been a little less than the some of their parts to me, and so I think that's on the GM a little bit like a lack of a coherent plan, like going from one thing to the next, which the other, and maybe it doesn't all totally add up, even though like Jalen Ramsey made sense and Tyreek Hill made sense, like all these made sense, and yet they don't. It doesn't all come together.

00:49:27
Speaker 2: Which is why these like MIKEA. Fitzpatrick, Andrew Van Ginkel, Christian Wilkins, like all of these guys right who wind up being contributors elsewhere, Like you have the ability to take them, but you should be able.

00:49:39
Speaker 1: To make that work, right Like by according to the local reports, they really wanted like Colas Cambell back this year and that was going to be maybe an important player for them, and they didn't get him back. And so if we're going to give credit to Adjason Light for making an atmosphere where players want to stay because they like the organization the situation, we sort of have to give the Dolphin a little bit of a knock. But Chris career hanging on. I think they need to win this year for him to feel good. I'm gonna go Chris Ballard next. Infamously, in my own mind, I ranked him number one overall, like back in twenty sixteen or seven, I forget what year it was, where I thought they had the most talented roster in the entire NFL.

00:50:21
Speaker 2: Do we have a graphic, because I'll put that up if you try to ship me for my Terry font No.

00:50:27
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty, it's pretty embarrassing. He was eighteenth the last time I did this exercise, so it had faded. We'll see the offensive line, which has been a strength and was probably Ballard's, you know, the best thing that he did now doesn't look as good. The weapons, which were bad, now look pretty good on paper. I think this team kind of makes sense. I'm not like in love like his public persona sometimes a little prickly or condescending, and the relationship with the coaches and the and the and the fans and stuff has been up and down. So that's a little bit of a negative to me too. For Chris Ballad.

00:51:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. The idea of making your quarterback try extra hard by bringing in Daniel Jones, and kind of it's like exclusively Richardson's responsibility.

00:51:15
Speaker 1: I didn't Yeah, I direct anyone that's curious. I mean, you could go to NFL dot com, or you could go to an SI dot com article from April of twenty twenty one, which says king of the Draft Colts, Chris Ballard named best drafting GM in the NFL. And yeah that was by.

00:51:36
Speaker 2: So yeah got him.

00:51:38
Speaker 1: He had a good run and I might have overrated him. There number twenty two. You're up.

00:51:43
Speaker 2: I will take Ryan Poles at number twenty two, just purely based off of liking the I see the vision more so than some of the remaining choices, where I I probably could not in hindsight, we could have taken a better GM.

00:52:06
Speaker 1: But regret, while he's on the clock, that's rare. I think it's fine.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: I actually turned he turned the card in.

00:52:12
Speaker 1: I think there would have been my pick for what it's worth, which isn't much.

00:52:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, we the options get limited down here at the bottom. Yeah, the hiring of eberflus is something that it takes it it takes its skill to survive.

00:52:28
Speaker 1: And that was his guy. He really wanted Eberflus so and that's a negative.

00:52:32
Speaker 2: And who knows right that there was a very very interesting article I believe around December about the influence of agents on the on the coaching searches, where again, you know, my particular soapbox might have come in and so. But again we don't know who's who's ultimately making all these it's it's the general manager shop to hire in these spots. And I do believe based on this offseat, this has been the best Ryan Pohl's offseason. That does warrant a little more belief than previously.

00:53:04
Speaker 1: Fifteen and thirty six overall since he took over as GM, so not a lot of progress. Some good draft picks were like Kyler, Gordon Gervin Dexter. He picked up Montes Sweat and Jamaine Edmonds in free agency. This is a team that's better on paper than they've really ever been on the field. But they're pretty solid on paper. That was actually picked twenty three. I'd led you astray, and we are to twenty four. We have four more to go. I'll go with Elliott Wolf here just because there's not He had a disastrous draft other than Drake May, but they did get Drake May. Pretty bad free agency period, his first time around, The way that they handed the offensive line, it was all bad. Also, I think he's lost a significant amount of power. I don't truly believe he is the GM in a way that really and that would be true if anyone else on this list. But he has the title. So does he have the title? I don't even know anymore. The Patriots being Patriots, Like ultimately, like I don't even believe that Elliott Wolf is running this personnel department. But he is the guy who's doing the interviews and on the podium afterwards right now, which is messy. So that's part of my skepticism. But I think it's I think it's Mike Rabel, and I think it's Mike Rabel's guys that he brought in that actually might have more juice than Elliott Wolf. But I don't know, just because he hasn't done that much. I go Elliot Wolf and he delivered me drake me, so that made me happy, all right. Number twenty five.

00:54:34
Speaker 2: At a one point eight wava my tortured metric Dan Morgan after one year. You know, it's really not enough info to get into I do. I do see some sort of a vision. I was surprised, but I've been talked into the Ted McMillan pick where I really thought they needed no defense. And yeah, I like him more than the remaining choices Star going to take down.

00:54:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a will see you can't really kill him. His drafts so far don't look like amazing, but he literally only had one the free agency period. Like, I kind of liked what he did this year, but he's just sort of a we almost shouldn't have ranked in Morgan or maybe Elliott Wolf just because they weren't. They haven't been around long enough. It's tough to evaluate. Mickey Loomis has been around a long time, and this is where I'm leaning into the last few years. I'm really only just great him on the post on pinare Like, he used to rank pretty high on my list, like he would be in the top ten sometimes, you know, top fifteen. They had some great drafts. Right now, he's just aiming for the middle, hanging on to players I believe too long, having a weird obsession that ended up being unrequited with Derek Carr like and Dennis Allen just bad, not who you want running your team. Because he was around it long enough to make a handful of amazing draft picks, and he won a Super Bowl title. That's why he gets ahead of just the last couple guys on this listtery, but I'd be fine wherever you put him at the at the back end. At this point, I think I don't know, he's not even he's just a figurehead. I don't even know what's going on.

00:56:07
Speaker 2: And with our last two I do know where you stand on this. I have seen one. You know, Andrew Berry's shot.

00:56:17
Speaker 1: And we have Joe Shane and Andrew Berry are the only two.

00:56:20
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry sitting there with the owner at the draft literally looming over their shoulder leads me to take Andrew Berry here. Okay, and maybe it's more of a Joe Shane thing, but I just think that the Big Boss is making so many of the decisions regarding everything that it's it's almost impossible to evaluate either one of them, even when you consider that Stefanski won the Coach of the Year somehow.

00:56:51
Speaker 1: Now he traded away so many picks for Deshaun Watson, and you know, the Watson trade alone would just have me put him last, but second to last. It's close enough. They have had draft picks and the last three drafts I was looking it up. The best player from those last three drafts are either is like Greg Newsom or Martin Emerson. Like they haven't brought in talent via the draft, so that's on him too. His first ever draft pick, I'm big on the first draft pick, setting it down. I don't know why I'm this in general, and his first was Jedrick Wills, which to me is so typical of them, which is like it looked pretty good at first and then it just hasn't worked out in the long run. And that's how I feel about about Barry in general. But the difference between Barry and Shane was Barry wasn't on hard knocks, giving the impression that just like not a lot was going on. That made you feel like he was an asset as a general manager. I think that's fair. I think people in the league watching that show agree with me, and I heard from them like that, just like, really, there's this is what's going on. That's that's my feel on Chin. He had a pretty good draft though last year.

00:58:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gave us, It gave us a level of insight, and to the counter of Andrew Berry, the owner actually wanted it seemed like wanted the player, and he was like, no, this is my decision. And and that is why, considering the results, I understand that the last draft gave us something to be you know, gave something to be excited about. But considering the extended amount of results.

00:58:25
Speaker 1: Well, and the Daniel Jones contract is not as bad as the Watson trade, but it's it's bad in a really significant way. In a different way to self evaluate that bad and hamstring your own organization after you've already had him there with that coach is tough to survive, but he has and he's got one more year here to to make it look better. We got to the end. It's kind of a bummer for these guys at the end, but you know, something's got to come in last.

00:58:51
Speaker 2: And somebody and and they can put this up on a metaphorical bulletin board maybe like on a Windows desktop, right and and motivate them. They'll try extra hard now because we've been critical.

00:59:02
Speaker 1: Well or the opposite font No could see that someone believes in him out there, and he wants to prove us right because now it's us.

00:59:10
Speaker 2: Well, well, we get the motivation goes both ways because you don't believe, and it doesn't Your lack of belief has more value.

00:59:16
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Ultimately, when we put out the graphic, it's NFL Daily like we are a team Patrick And while I came out, came at that pick pretty strong. Now we've got to support we've got to support him. I can't I can't be I can't be sniping to the media behind the scenes power struggle I can't be like an unnamed source to Jordan Rodrieg of The Athletic that like a Patrick really blew it with this pick. I had nothing to do with that pick. That that was all Jimmy Haslim.

00:59:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can write a book about it and get some quotes from my dad and then have a NFL dot com article promoting your book written by nobody.

00:59:53
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope we can recover as as as a friendship podcast will be our it will be good. That's it for our rankings of the gms. And yes, if you notice we're kind of doing this weekly, we're going to keep that up. We're going to get into the positions next. I am really looking forward to that and really looking forward to the rest of this week. We will have Colleen Wolf and Jordan rod Rieg back in the studio for our next show. For Patrick Claibon, for Terry Fontano, for QUESSI we did kind I kind of forgot QUESTI. I apologize. We're making amends when it comes to Terry Fontino because football is back