Ep:89 Brown Springs Bigfoot

Like I said, I've been staking out areas. You know, whenever someone
has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an area
to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create like
dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines,
in electrical rideaways, gas rideaways, you know, sometimes by myself, and
that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like far none the craziest
place I've ever been. And I've only been there once. I've been in
Louisiana, I've been in Texas, East Texas, I've been in Southeast Texas.
I've been in all over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've
been in Ohio, North Carolina. This place, brown Springs is probably,
bar none, the scariest place I've ever been. This is Bigfoot Crossroads.
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my good friend, mister Robert Jesse Domingoz. Hey, Matt, I
was I was hoping you're gonna introduce me as Robert Jesse Domingus Mangus. How
you doing, man, I'm good, man, I'm good. I was
ready for this. I'm ready to talk to you today. I was excited
about you know, you booked me for this one, so I'm excited.
I was just recently on your podcast, or at least a recording session of
your podcast. Yes, yes, I believe that's episode nineteen. I I'm
going to release it on Friday, so nice. So these will be coming
out probably on the same day then, so probably it's just a double whammy
of goodness. Yes. Well, I got a really interesting message sent to
me today on Facebook that I have been waiting all day to talk to you
about. Okay, Now, I will preface this by saying this happened yesterday,
which was Halloween. Okay, and as a Bigfooter, you know what
it's like around April Fool's Day and Halloween, it gets kind of sketchy in
the Bigfoot world. This information is probably not true, but I feel like
it needs to be addressed anyways. So there is a Facebook page of we'll
say a local person. They run this Facebook page not as a personal page,
but more of a platform for them just to try to be a local
celebrity or something like that. They post local news. I've seen a lot
of their posts being centered around like helping local people in the community. I've
seen them like don't space heaters and things like that to people that need them,
donating food to people that need it. And I didn't see any shenanigans
going on to speak of. Now, I'm not like a member of the
page. I haven't followed or anything. I just checked it out today.
And the reason I checked it out is because Evans Bailey of the Native Oklahoma
Bigfoot Research Organization also known as no Bro, asked me if I had heard
this information that this other Facebook page was putting out on Halloween, they said,
breaking news, two Wagner County hunters claimed to have killed Bigfoot. Roger
and Daniel Klein say they were both in a tree stand filming a hunt when
the creature was hit as it crouched behind an eight point buck that Roger had
his sights on and shot with a powerful muzzle loader as Daniel filmed the whole
encounter. Oklahoma Wildlife Management are on the scene now, along with the Wagner
County Sheriff Department, closing the area off. Early reports say Oklahoma State Wildlife
Department have recommended that honey season in the county be suspended until further notice.
From Bear Thompson Road east to the Arkansas River and a Highway fifty one bee
all the way north to the Tallahassee Loop have been blocked off and are only
accessible to residents in the area who now have a stay inside with locked Door's
recommendation. Sources say Roger is very distraught and at times unconsolable for killing the
human like creature. Stay tuned for more details now. As of that time,
there were no more details. A couple of other posts had been made,
but they were about helping people in the community. The poster of the
information didn't respond to any of the comments, and while most of the comments
were you know, people making jokes and things like that, one commenter said,
I actually spoke with a friend of mine who lives in the area just
one mile away, and they say the story is not fake and he is
not a bigfoot believer. One person, one person. Now, Wagner County
is a very rural county here, and I have personally looked for bigfoot in
that county, and I know people who have actively researched the area in question.
There have been sightings out there. I would dare say that bigfoot does
exist in the area. However, I couldn't find any other information. I
couldn't find the people well mentioned in the post. I mean you would.
It would be one thing to cover up a bigfoot being shot, But the
part where it says that they had closed off the area and issue a stay
inside and lock the doors order, you can't cover that up, like the
local sheriff department and the wildlife department, and it was the Wagner County Sheriff
Department closing the area off according to the post. Muzzleloader. That's a pretty
big rifle, right, Yeah, that's like a black powder rifle. Deer
season has just kind of recently started, and I believe muzzleloader is like kind
of like a primitive firearm, and they allow them to hunt first in the
season. So that's that's a lot of that's a lot of stuff too encompass
here. And then there's also the part where it's specifically saying these two guys
were filming what they were doing and film the entire incident. Yeah, and
I have seen no film being posted anywhere. How far Wagner County. How
far is that way for me? Thirty minutes, forty five minutes around that,
depending on where it's at in Wagner County. That's pretty close. Evan
said that, you know, people in his group were looking into it.
They're contacting people because you know, they're from Oklahoma, so people know people,
and so it's going beyond the Bigfoot world is the point. But yeah,
I mean that's that's pretty much hot off the press. That was as
of yesterday. At the time of recording this, there wasn't any more information.
Nobody had said, oh I was just joking for Halloween, none of
that stuff. So I don't know, you know, if they normally close
an area that would be on the news, would it not. I don't
think you'd be able to close an area and keep it out of the news
in that in this area, right, Something like that. That part kind
of flabbergasted me a little bit. How the news is not I mean it
would it would hit locally to you, and then if like nationally, if
they want to pick it up, they'll pick it up and then it'll go
all over the internet and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, So,
like if they were issuing an order it says a recommendation that residents stay inside
and lock their doors. I don't know what the purpose of that would be,
but if they were to issue something like that in the area, I
mean, the local news stations are going to pick that up somehow. Yeah,
somebody's going to call somebody and tell them or something, and they're going
to want to know what's going on. They're going to report that it's happened.
I mean, anytime there's any sort of like lockdown or safety threat that
happens anywhere around Tulsa, it gets in the news. Yeah. To me,
this sounds like a little bit of embellishment on who was ever issuing this
post or this statement. Like I said, most likely not true. But
if someone listening happens to uh live there and knows more information than I do,
please reach out to me or if you hear about, you know,
a bigfoot getting killed in Oklahoma. This is probably what they're talking about.
Did it say anything about university being involved at all? No, No university
talk, no tribal talk, nothing like that. I mean, because if
this was if this was you know, the men in black, this statement
probably wouldn't even come out. It was probably just scooped it up and gone.
But well, that's the thing. The guy didn't you know, the
guy that posted didn't give any sources or anything like that either, So I
don't know now. The person posting it is from Wagner County, so there's
definitely the chance that if something like this was going on, somebody notified him
just you know, hey, did you hear this was going on? That
person has some kind of insight in the county. So yeah, okay,
right, And I did not you know, reach out or anything like that.
I didn't want to step on anybody else's toes, not that anybody has
specific rights or anything. But like I said, Evan said that they were
looking into it, so I'll just let them look into it. Interesting.
Well, Matt, keep us in the loop on this intriguing you know,
news out in Wagner County. Another rumor of a killed bigfoot. Well,
people always ask, you know, well, how come nobody's ever shot one?
If they really exist? Well, there's actually lots and lots of stories
of people doing it. It's just they're either not true or the stories just
disappear for some reason. Yeah, go to Wagner County. Go to Wagner
County. What really sucks is my uncle, who's no longer with us,
used to be the main judge of Wagner County. And I would have just
been able to pick up the phone and be like, hey, what's happening.
Yeah, dang, you would pick up like the bat phone. Yeah,
Colt Commissioner Gordon. Yeah. And you know the area that he lived
in. He lived in Tahaqua, And I mean that's as squatchy as you
can get. Man. They've had bigfoot sightings. I remember in my childhood
there being bigfoot sightings out in Tallaquah and it making the news and like that
was so cool as like a little kid. You know, there was one
where like a woman was standing at her kitchen window washing dishes and she just
happened to look up and look out her window and there was one like digging
through the burn barrel behind their house. Wow, And she called the cops
and the sheriff went out there and found tracks and everything else. And my
uncle was the judge at the time that that happened and knew the deputy that
went and handled the call and everything. And he told me face to face,
he said, yeah, that deputy said that those tracks were one hundred
real and that there was no way that woman was lying. Now correct me
if I'm wrong. When I was living in Tulsa, didn't we have a
story near Tallaquah or in Tataquah of the lady that had here. She had
got some land and she was going to build a house and she had a
trailer out there and something was coming by and slapping the trailer in the middle.
Yeah, it was that in Taqua. Yeah, same area. And
then like she reached out, she reached out either to me or I think
it was to you, and Uh, I wanted to go out there and
go check it out. And then before we could do it, her her
husband nixed it and didn't want to then communicate with us again after that.
Yeah. Well, speaking of Evans Bailey and Nobro Uh, something we taught
talked about on your show A little Bit is a photo that recently came out.
Yes, what did you think about the photo? You know, I
with us being in this field for such a long time, we rerun into
so many game cam stuff, and uh, this this one was kind of
intriguing because it the highlight on it was you could see, you know,
a forehead, a possible sagital crests, the eyebrows, the nose, a
stern chin. It looked like Kurt Douglas. But you know, to me,
it looked like something there was. There's something there now, there was
now there was continuous like photos of this like profile not being there. To
me, it would have been something to even think about. But it was
it's not enough. It's not enough for me, you know. And there
was something there and it was pretty intriguing. But I don't know, I've
seen so many game cams where you know, Bigfoot's avoid it. You know,
Bigfoot avoids game cams. That's always been like my theory. So well,
I posted the photo yesterday or the day before the day before, and
you know, it got mixed responses, of course, just from the general
audience. The photo had been sent to me prior to its release. I
looked at it. I couldn't find any red flags as far as any sort
of manipulation or anything like that going on. There was one issue that I
had with it that was explained and had nothing to do with the original owner
of the photo, just in the posting of the photo. They had put
their logo on it just to protect it, you know, and yeah,
had trimmed part of the photo off, so it was a different to mension
the comparison shots. But they were responsible for that and explain why it happened
and everything else. So I don't have any issue with that. In the
area that was trimmed wouldn't even matter. It wasn't enough to make a difference.
It wasn't like something was trimmed out of the photo to hide something That
wasn't the case. I've looked at the comparison shots. I mean, like
you're saying, it's not enough to really determine anything. But like the people
investigating it, you know, no, bro, they haven't been able to
find any sort of mask or costume or anything like that, and I haven't
either. Yeah. I think I think you mentioned that on on our podcast
that you you didn't find this because you can always you always see like three
or four different bigfoot costumes that are going around being sold and people are worrying
them. And I recall you saying, because this one it doesn't look like
anything in any kind of costumes I've seen before. Yeah, it's definitely not
anything I instantly recognized. Now that doesn't mean it's not it's just right.
It didn't ring any bells or anything. The profile is very interesting. I
mean, it looks right. Somebody actually asked me in the Facebook group I
have set up for the podcast if it looked like the one I had seen
initially in Oklahoma. And the the problem is what I saw was obscured by
a couple of branches, and I was looking at it straight on, and
this is a profile, yeah, frontal face, and this one's a profile,
So yeah, you couldn't compare that. But I mean, as far
as proportions and everything, it looks good. You know. Now, did
they have any any pictures of that profile not being there? Yeah, but
okay, there's none. That's the only image that has anything in it as
far as might be a bigfoot. The problem is that it's just such a
small amount to look at that It's like I don't know if it's paradolia.
It could just be something else, you know. One person said it looked
like a calf turning its head, and another person said it looked like somebody's
elbow wearing a puffy jacket as they're walking away. I mean, it could
be. It could be a bush that is being blown by the you know,
by the by the wind, and it comes into view and then when
the wind's that blowing intensively, it could go back, right. It could
be that. Yeah, there's some comparison shots, like I said, and
at least one or two of the comparison shots shows a deer, and based
on you know, going by the height of the deer, this thing would
be about five feet high off the ground. The face, okay, And
then there's another part that's visible in the photo that could possibly be a forearm.
Although I that's the one part that if anything looks bad on the photo
to me, it's the four on it. It's just kind of a straight
line. It looks like a like it almost looks like a two by four.
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's impossible to really say just from
the photo. In my opinion, Yeah, because I think that night I
posted the same I posted on big Foot Club and I and I and I
tagged you and me on it, and then No Bro responded on it if
we weren't going to have any of the investigators on our shows, and I
just simply stated that, you know, since the that was sent to you
by one of them, an investigator for their group, and then so at
that time it was now posted freely, so you know, we felt that
it was okay to talk about it openly about it. So, yes,
you and I used to be an investigators. So anyway, I just wanted
to say that, Yeah, and if you're listening and you want to check
out the photo, you can check it out on the big Foot Club Facebook
page. You can check it out on the Bigfoot Crossroads Facebook group or on
my Instagram or at the original source which is Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization on
Facebook. I actually went and read the report which has more information to it.
But again, so recently, one of No Bros. Researchers was mentioned
in a news article. Again, it's around Halloween news agency start running bigfoot
stories and because of that article, that's why they were sent this photo.
Somebody read the article and reached out to them. This is what they say.
This report comes from a witness who reached out to the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot
Research Organization through the Facebook page via private message. Here is the witness's testimony.
Hi, I just read an article about two encounters near McAllister, Oklahoma,
and one of your members were quoted in the article. I'm reaching out
because I have a trail camera picture from my farm that has some kind of
face profile on it. I am wondering if someone can look at the image
and help me understand what it is. Could be nothing, but my whole
family thinks it's a sasquatch face. We have also heard incredibly loud howls and
have seen eye reflection in our tree line that we're about nine feet off the
ground. I would prefer to not have my name or our location made public
if possible, just looking for some clarification for what we are experiencing. Thanks
for your time, respectfully, and then the name has been omitted, and
then a description of the photos. The first picture will be a large dough
that frequents this part of our property. We noted her head and shoulder position
for height reference. The camera is located about eight feet up on a tree
above the trail. The face picture also has what might be an arm and
a hand on the ground under the face. To us, it looks like
a face I ridge, nose, and chin with hair all over it.
We just don't know. We went out and measured the face from the ground
and it was between five and six foot based on the height of the back
of the deer and where it was about halfway between the deer and the camera.
What causes me problems is there are no animals on our farm that are
on this trail. Also, the camera triggered again, but nothing was on
the captured image. There has been some weird things over the past year.
We have had random branches broken off of trees all over the farm. It's
like they were just pulled straight down. Some were almost four inches in diameter
and we're a level feet high. Some were six or eight feet high.
Also had some big foot shaped dents in the ground, but NodD places,
like a left footprint right next to our woodshed with the instep facing the shed.
The dent was about three or four inches larger than my boot size twelve.
One night, my kids came and woke us up because they heard some
very loud hollering from a filled southwest of the house. We went and looked,
but couldn't find anything. We also found a pile of bones from some
armadillos and raccoons. I figured that was a bobcat or owl. We have
both species here and some are huge. And when we first bought the property,
my daughter said she saw what she thought was someone running past her window
between the barn and the house towards the woods. Again, we looked but
didn't find anything. This caused us to build a five foot fence and get
some large dogs. I do have a few cams now with video, but
since this image, we haven't had any visible things happen. Just the hollering
and I shine in the tree lines that interesting. I would really like to
go out there and look at this property. So I guess he doesn't want
anybody coming out to the property, but yet he wants to complain about it.
Yeah, just wants clarification on the photo, which, like I said,
the photo, it's just not enough. Now I'm going to let me
ask this question. Is no Bro any kind of affiliation with the Bfburrow.
No, No, they are totally independent, just based out of Oklahoma.
I don't know if they have any researchers outside of Oklahoma. I've known Evans
Bailey for a long time now. I consider him a very reliable and solid
person. Ryan White is one of the investigators on this particular case. I've
had him on here. And Troy Hudson is an investigator with them who's also
on this particular case. And Troy has been researching bigfoot in Oklahoma for as
long as I can remember. Well, they sound like some good dudes.
Yeah, it's a solid group. I mean, they'll they'll get to the
bottom of whatever there is to get to the bottom of. Here's one interesting
note. The tree that has the trail camera on it was located about thirty
feet behind a chicken coop, Okay, And it's it's on that trail because
it's a deer trail and the deer trail east to west or north south where
the trails cross, so it's like a crossing of deer trails right there by
a chicken coop. You know, It's always been my theory that that bigfoots
avoid trail camps. So maybe if this is actually a bigfoot, maybe was
walking in the area and say, oh oh, trail cam back away.
And then win another another direction. Because it's always been again, it's always
been my theory that they could see these trail cabs and avoid them at all
at all calls. Yeah, it could have triggered the camera and rise it
triggered it, realized it and froze and ran off. I don't know,
it's unfortunate that it wasn't a video trail camera. Yeah, you know,
they did state that they now have ones that have video on it. Video
is way more helpful because they also usually record sound. Yeah, with this,
with this photo, with the bigfoot's head being like five ft off the
ground, you know, we didn't we didn't talk about it. We talked
about it on my show because we were saying that our theory was that it
was on all fours right right, all four walking around. So that's the
reason why it was maybe five foot, because someone's gonna prop and say,
well, that's a that's a short bigfoot, it's a baby bigfoot or something,
you know, And so I just wanted to I wanted to make that
clear that we were that was our theory on it. So, yeah,
that's kind of why the other thing that's visible in the photo that they're calling
like a possible forearm. That's that's the belief that it was leaning forward on
its arms, or it was on all fours at the time that the photo
was taken. It's just at the very edge. I mean, mm hmmm.
You know, it's one of those things. It's probably going to ultimately
stay inconclusive. Well, hopefully this guy, you know, he changes this
trail cam to a video and starts getting like more stuff, So hopefully for
him, maybe he'll figure out what's going on in this property without you know,
asking for help or something. I mean, you know, the trail
cam thing, A lot of people talk about those. You know, there's
a lot of theories out there. I mean, you have your own opinion.
I have my own opinion. I can tell you this back whenever I
was actively researching, members of the group that I was with had a ton
of trail cameras. I mean they probably had like seven to twelve trail cameras
put out in their area at any one moment. And this is back in
the day. Now, this is four digital cameras were in the trail cameras.
Yeah, you had an actual film camera and we would have to go
run to Walmart, you know, usually do the one hour processing because we
couldn't wait to get the photos, you know, because we're going to have
a big foot standing right in front of the camera, of course. And
that was always another thing. Well if you did get a photo of bigfoot,
would somebody at Walmart steal it and just not put it in your package?
You know, like that whole thing. Yeah, and those those were
big and bulky. Those were were they used to take sea batteries. Yeah,
you remember that. Yeah, And I mean anybody that's ever owned an
old flash camera, an old film camera knows that, like whenever you press
the button, it makes a lot of noise, it does. Yeah,
and these trail cameras were no different. You know, whenever something triggered them,
you know, they would start buzzing and wind up. And yeah,
but we would have this is gonna sound like a crazy exaggeration, but man,
it honestly seems this way. We would have like thousands of photos,
yeah, thousands, like over the course of like a year, and just
pouring over them with magnifying glasses because the vast majority, we're talking ninety eight
to ninety nine percent of them didn't have anything noticeable in them. Ever,
And we're talking broad daylight, not nighttime, broad daylight. And then,
of course years later you find out, okay, well, the vast majority
of these cameras actually use body heat to set off the motion answers. That's
how they work. They don't actually project out an infrared beam, but they
detect infrared and whenever the temperature changes in this cone area out in front of
this camera, it comes out in basically a cone pattern about thirty feet.
If something goes through there and is a different temperature than the environment, the
camera triggers and back then the camera trigger response time wasn't even that great.
I mean, like a person walking by the camera like five feet away would
trigger the camera obviously, but there wouldn't be anything in that photo. So
we figured out that, like, well, we're getting a lot of pictures
at sun up, Well, that's because the sun's coming up and changing the
temperature of things and just setting the camera off. It's just causing the camera
to go off, you know. Is that part of the problem. Is
part of the problem, just the fact that the odds of something walking rightly
in front of the camera to begin with aren't that great. And then you're
talking about something that's super intelligent and hyper aware of its surroundings. And you
know, hey, why is that plastic box on the side of the tree.
Where is it making so much noise? Yeah? What's that weird smell?
So I don't know, man, I don't know. Hopefully they'll get
to investigate the property, maybe some more evidents will show up, and maybe,
if we're really lucky, more images will show up, but probably not.
So are you ready to talk about the fabled Brown Springs? Yes,
I'm ready, I'm ready. I thought these other stories would be a good
build up to Brown Springs. Yeah. The kind of the theme of this
episode is Oklahoma Bigfoot rumors mm hmm. And I feel that Brown Springs is
one of those places that has a lot of rumors pushing the lore behind the
location. Yeah. Absolutely, I think there is some lore there from a
Gainsfield case. Is am I? Am I wrong? On it? Is?
There's a there's a Gainsfield case. And I've heard too, like two
different stories of a couple from gains from Gainesville went there, and I think
the boyfriend was killed either his neck was broken and the lady her legs were
bent back or something. Am I am I wrong? On that or is
that No, No, I mean that's the story. That's the story,
and that is I mean, it's a horrific tell I mean, before we
even get started trigger warning, we're gonna ready to talk about some stuff that
If little ones are listening, send them to bed, right. So,
Brown Springs. Brown Springs is a very old place. It's basically on the
north side of the Red River separating Oklahoma and Texas. It's in Love County,
Oklahoma, outside of a town called Thackerville, and then on the other
side of the river you got Gainesville, which also has a lot of its
own lore. On the south side, there's like the eighteen ninety three bridge
over there, something that has like tons of like old paranormal stories and bigfoot
stories attached to it. And this whole place, like I said, is
just very old and has lots of lore attached to it. And none of
it's good, none of it's good at all. But it's kind of like
lbl It's one of those places that stories have kind of made it a destination
for bigfooters and bigfoot researchers over the years. And I don't know how much
of it's really true. I know, I know for a fact, I've
actually been there. I've actually put boots on the ground there. If you
want to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about your trip
to Brown Springs. What was your experience? So I went with and I
can say this because you know Ken Marvel's let me uh, one of the
one of the researchers that I was with at TBRC was Ken Marvel. And
there's another gentleman I'm not I'm not gonna say his name because I don't have
permission. So it was myself, Kin Marvel, this other gentleman that used
to be with the TBRC. And then I took my cousin and his wife.
My cousin was he was getting into bigfoot stuff and he wanted to go
on a bigfoot excursion. And so Ken Marvel had brought that story about the
Games of and and he asked me if I wanted to go check it out.
Now, this was whenever you were a member of the tb r C.
No, we had we had just left. I had just left the
tv r C. And so this was probably like two thousand I want to
say it's two thousand and five, two thousand and six. Now I have
notes detailed notes somewhere, but in my you know, in my condition and
stuff, it's somewhere. I cannot find it. I was looking. I
was looking for it this week, and I could not find it. So
there's detailed notes that this other gentleman was so graciously to He sat down and
wrote everything that happened to us there. And so whenever, whenever we got
there, and like this like you have to you have to, you know,
like this was before I started doing paranormal stuff, before I was recruited
to do the paranormal stuff. So as soon as as soon as we got
there, it was like it was during the day and we we we drove
we you know, we drove in. There's like a dirt road and then
then and then you then there's like the grass is like completely high by like
three four feet high, and it's like it's it was like in the wintertime,
and so this grass was like, you know, it looked like,
hey, if someone wanted to harvested for hey, they could probably do it.
And so it was least like three feet high, so it was pretty
high. And so once we drove in, we drove really close to the
to the Red River and parked and it was this was a dirt road,
and so so we ended up parking to like like next to a really really
big tree and I got out as soon as I got out that And this
is like before I started experiencing paranormal stuff. I had like a heavy feeling
like on my chest, like something was like pressing my chest in and I
was making it really hard to breathe. And now it kind of felt like
I was running like you run at full sprint and it stopped and then try
to talk and it just had a really heavy feeling there, like you know,
hey, I'm not supposed to be here now. Granted this was like
like in the daytime, and I imagine it's a for feeling even at night
because there's no lights out there. Yeah. I was just thinking, like,
you guys just drove there and like you're with like you know, the
marvelous Kenny Marvel and like family and the other guy and everything. Like you
guys were probably in a fairly good mood I would imagine when you arrived.
Yeah, so that must have been quite the impression to step out of the
vehicle and just immediately switch gears like that. Yeah, And so once we
were there, I was, you know, I wanted to show my cousin.
We went, we went walking on on that side to look for any
kind of betting area because at the time we were thinking that this was,
you know, possibly a bigfoot area that they could have they could have some
betting. You know, we wanted to see any kind of because like there
was no cows there, so if there's any betting, the net's you know,
probably a good chance that there was probably like a bigfoot or a bigfoot
group passing through there. And so we eventually made our way to the Red
River, and at that time, the Red River had receded immensely and so
we could walk along this like this sand barge and it was like completely it
was open. So we were looking for like footprints, didn't see any at
the time, and you know, I didn't see like any at that time.
See, we walked maybe like a mile or a half mile down the
Red River and then came back. And as we were coming back, we're
gonna pull out some gear and maybe like you know, some pad and pins,
start writing some stuff down and stuff like that. And so as we
as we approached Ken Marvel's vehicle, there was a tree and it was.
It was a pretty big tree. And this was not like a like a
dead tree or anything. Matt. This tree is pushed over in front of
Ken Marvel's vehicle and it was like it was pushed over. The roots were
showing, and I wish I still had the pictures that I think the gentleman
that did all the notes had pictures of this. And this tree was pushed
over and it had just rained that morning too, like like before we got
there, so the soil was kind of soft and the wind wasn't blowing,
and it did not. It did not because this was the only tree that
was pushed over. It was pushed over in front of his vehicle, maybe
like I don't know, a foot in front of his front grille. And
around this vehicle was thirteen inch prints. Wow, they were wide, and
like I took off my hat. We took pictures of it. Like again,
I said, I wish I still had the pictures of this, and
uh, it was thirteen inch prints just walking around the vehicle and I and
I looked at it, and I looked at everybody else and everybody, you
know, we were kind of freaking out a little bit. And uh,
my cousin was going, Uh, I think it's time for us to go.
He was, he was ready to go. His wife wasn't, but
he was ready to go. And so at that time, I I with
with with the TVRC. I was known as the guy that could do a
like a bigfoot call. And so and Ken like looks at me and he
goes, hey, Bob, do you know do a call? And so
I did a call. I did like three calls. I yelled as loud
as I could. So we were we were on the Texas side of the
of the Red River, on the opposite side of the Red River. I
got. I got a response within seconds, and it sounded like it was
walking away because like it it gave me. I did three calls. It
did three calls back to me, and as as as as a as a
third call came, you could hear it, you know, further and further
faintly away. So apparently this thing came by saw us there, pushed the
tree over, walked around the vehicle across the Red River, waited for the
call, and then made calls back to me. At that time, So
that was that was my experience there. I mean, because like I later
looked on there looked at at the Brown Springs area, and so locally,
the the lore was that was that the Dallas mob used that as a as
a body dumping ground, right, so there was there was a lot there
was. That's that was that was the history there on that. So but
that was my experience there. Didn't you guys run into like a ranger or
something on the way out of there? I believe, I believe we did.
I believe we did. And it was we were telling them that we
were doing we were doing bigfoot stuff, and he was he was like hovering
around us. But we were leaving at the time anyway, So I mean,
had he got there before that, you know, he probably would have
hovered, you know, helicoptered over us and stuff. But I believe we
were we were on our way out whenever that happened. And I don't recall
his name. I'm sure it's in the notes that that gentleman provided, But
you know he left us alone after after he saw us leaving. So but
yeah, I mean, like you said, it's it had a history of
a place for people to dump bodies. Lots of bodies have been dumped there
over the years, and places that have that kind of lore and are used
for those kind of purposes, tend to attract other people that you know,
do stupid stuff, illegal activities, what not, and who have you.
And there's a lot of history of you know, Satan worshippers going out there
to perform rituals and stuff. I know there was a story about some people
that went out there and found like a bloody knife stuck in a tree,
just all kinds of weird stuff. Man. I will say this, like
as soon as we got out of the vehicle and we walked down to the
Red River, I did see needles, like on the ground. There were
there were there were some needles. So we were telling everybody be careful walking
around. Make sure because everybody, you know, anytime we went out and
did stuff, we I would wear like, you know, heavy boots,
like steel toe boots and stuff like that, so make sure I was covered
from snakes and stuff, but snake boots and stuff. But uh, yeah,
I did see some needles on the ground, So I thought for I
thought it was I was feeling that sensitive about you know, that negative energy
there on that so just kind of odd because like I was later after I
thought about it, because I think I did a show on it on on
my podcast, and I was we were talking about the possibility of you know,
the bodies that were being dumbed there, that we're bigfoots attracted to it
because you know, you know the story about there's always like like reports on
bigfoots being attracted to cemeteries for some reason, right, And so we we
had I come up with the ideas that well, maybe you know, bigfoots
are attracted to the area because you know, there's so many there's so many
bodies buried here, and uh, you know, there's probably I don't know,
some kind of energy that's some negative energy that's in that area, and
so that that had somehow maybe attracted bigfoots, or bigfoots may use it,
you know, well, like I've said, this is just conjecture, may
use it as a weapon, you know, to weaponize you know, the
fear of people seeing a bigfoot or just people just having the experience in general
with all the bodies that have been dumbed there. First off, there's a
cemetery there, very old cemetery this place. So originally it was just used
as a ferry crossing location for people between Texas and Oklahoma. Crossing the Red
River. Nobody really settled at the spring itself, which is kind of weird
because it was kind of a great place to settle, but because of the
location of the river, I guess there was too much flooding that happened,
so they had to settle farther back. But like early families that like settled
around there, you know, found human bones and pottery and all kinds of
stuff, Native American artifacts, things of that nature. I can't help but
wonder if this isn't just one of those places where it's just a bad place,
you know. Yeah. Yeah, So anything in the area mentally,
spiritually gets messed with, and so that's why you have some of the kind
of reports that you have, because, I mean the kind of reports that
come from this area, I mean it's one of those places where there's a
little bit of everything and it's always negative. There's nothing really positive about it.
Thatckerville baby Thackerville. I've never been there personally. I mean I've driven
by there, but I didn't go down the road or anything like that.
Yeah, obviously I've known people very close people that went there that describe the
same thing you're describing, know, a horrible anxiety, doom type, feeling
very heavy. People that I know who I mean, I've been out in
the middle of nowhere with They're not afraid of the dark. Let's just put
it that way. Yeah, they'll stand their ground in some pretty hairy situations
I've witnessed at firsthand. These people talk about when the sun goes down at
Brown Springs, they left. Yeah, they didn't want to be there after
dark. It just bothered them that bad. I can't imagine. I can't
imagine, because when I was there during the daytime, it felt, it
felt, you know, it was noticeable, and I wish I had talked
about it to Kenny and the other gentleman and my cousin. And I know
my cousin wanted to leave. I know that was pretty clear. It's pretty
evident he wanted to leave. But I should probably get back with him to
see how he felt whenever he was there, because some of the ideas that
I had about, you know, infrasound and DMF, you know, kind
of originated there, you know. Any because I later went back, I
said, well, hey, maybe I need to do a second look on
this and find out why, you know, I was feeling this way at
that particular time, because whenever I started doing paranormal stuff, that was the
feeling I got. And then I was talking to another person that I was
doing interview with and he was talking about how how scared he was and how
it was overwhelming to him and he could not breathe. And but you know,
so I kinda and then and then you know, we end up doing
a show with you and we talked about that, and I don't know,
it kind of just launched that idea out to start talking about it openly about
it. So, I mean, we know some people that are kind of
actively researching it still to this day. That location. Yeah, yeah,
planning trips there, have been there recently, have experienced things there recently that
I ain't some pretty crazy stuff handprints on vehicles, uh, shadow people,
dog sounds like, all kinds of crazy stuff. Man. Yeah, No,
I know, I've been invited, like in the last couple of years,
like a lot to go out there. And at the time, and
if anybody knows my you know knows my story that I had a heart I
had to I had to start walking again, so my my footing is not
that great. So I've been asked to go out there recently. I said,
man, I can't even I can't even walk on pavement, dude,
I mean you want me to walk, you know, in the woods and
stuff. But at that time, you know, I'm doing better now,
but at that time I was. I was asked to go out there and
hang out, and I said, man, I can't do it. I
wish I could, but I could not. But you know, i'd like,
I'd like to go back out there. Yeah, I wouldn't suggest just
you know that being my first trip getting back on the saddle, I think
i'd pick a nicer location, maybe a nice day trip somewhere. Yeah.
Yeah, I'd like to do a show out there. Actually, it'd be
neat to do podcasts, so I did. I did a podcast over at
Goatman's Bridge this past year, and that was a pretty interesting experience. So
yeah, you got an interesting occurrence happened out there. Yeah, yeah,
it was. It was pretty strange and uh, but you know, at
that time, it was like that that bridge gets inundated with inpressing on the
weekends with high school kids, so they want to go experience paranormal stuff,
and so it was kind of flooded with people. But I did have a
e v P where we're on the bridge, and I did have an e
VP of something snarling in the background, and it was I was talking to
the guy and we were I was asking him questions about because he walked off
into the woods, and I was asking him questions, and it was somebody
right next to him snarling, And it wasn't even it wasn't him. He
was you know, you can tell it's his voice and another voice, and
we were the only two people in that area talking, so it was kind
of strange. Yeah, that's very strange. I would definitely be interested in
hearing somebody try to do like an EVP session at Brown Springs. Yeah,
that actually be a great idea, great idea. I would love that too.
I looked up some information on Brown Springs. You know, a lot
of the information is kind of lost over the years. You know, there
was a guy named Butch Bridges who was really the main investigator of Brown Springs
historically, not like a bigfoot researcher, but just the lore and the history.
And looking up some of his stuff, I actually found some just a
basically a database of emails that had been sent to him back in the day
about people just sharing their stories about brown springs, and I ran across some
pretty interesting ones. Okay. One says the pipe coming from the spring was
originally placed there by John August Polt, who came to North Texas from Munster,
Germany in the mid eighteen hundreds. He resided primarily in Gainesville, Texas.
The cemetery began with a tribe of American Indians. I have reason to
believe they were Creek. The chief had teenage twin daughters. He had picked
husbands for them, but the girls did not agree with his choice. He
told them if they could dance from sundown to sun up, they could marry
the men of their choosing. The chief did not know the girls both had
heart defects, and both died on the spot shortly before sun up. They
were buried where they fell in the Creek tradition marked with identical cedar juniper trees
with a rock wall placed around them to buy them for eternity. This story
was passed down through the generations of my family. A tornado in the early
seventies uprooted the trees and took down part of the rock wall. Now that's
just lore. We can't prove any of that is true, right, but
assuming that it is a tornado in the early seventies uprooted the trees and took
down part of the rock wall. I mean, right there, man,
you got a reason for bad stuff to start happening right there. Yep,
yep. Here's one that says about twenty three years ago, me and my
wife and her brother were riding around and ended up at the place middle of
the day. Parked the car at the bottom of the hill where the water
comes out, climbed up the hill. Was only one faint trail into the
woods, over the barbed wire fence and to the cemetery. The farther we
walked in the trees, the darker it got. Then we started noticing graves
that were dug up. A few bones were scattered around. We got spooked
and headed back to the car, only to find now the trail was full
of sticker patches thorn bushes, and I was barefooted. The stickers weren't there
on the way in. Then the car wasn't where we left it. It
was down the road. I can't explain it, but we all remember parking
there. Got the heck out of there. Haven't been back since we still
get chill bumps when we talk about it. Oh bit, I mean that's
some blair witch stuff. Dude. It's a lot of energy to move a
vehicle, and man, that's manipulate the environment. I mean, yeah.
This one took place on Christmas in twenty thirteen. My family decided to take
a trip to the cemetery and to see what it was all about. What
a pleasant way to spend Christmas with the family. Let's go to an old,
creepy cemetery. There were five of us. As we arrived in the
cemetery, it was very uncomfortable, feeling as if somebody or some one did
not want us there. Me personally, I became very weak in my legs,
as if all my energy was being sucked out of me. At the
same time, my twelve year old daughter was experiencing the same thing. My
mother was snapping continuous pictures with her smartphone while me and Emily were not feeling
right. At that point, my daughter heard a little girl laughing. She
asked if I heard that. I did not hear it. I was a
little ways away from her. We decided it was time to go. Everyone
had the feeling that it was time and not feeling right. As we were
getting into the jeep, you could hear a loud howl almost sounded like a
sasquatch as it was following us down the hill. Everyone heard it and freaked
out. It was in a coyote for sure. As we were viewing mom's
pictures, we became ecstatic. In one of the pictures, you could see
a tall slender man walking beside my daughter like they were taking a walk down
the park path. I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. Maybe not
as skeptical as I used to be. As we viewed other pictures, we
saw flurries of orbs looking like snow. There were thousands of them, and
you could see faces in them. Now that's even creepier, knowing we were
surrounded by these balls of energy that would explain you know, them not feeling
good. I mean, all the orbs. And then this one. This
is one that I had heard before and have talked about on several occasions.
This person says to tell I got about Brown Springs involved a nameless family in
southern Oklahoma at the turn of the century. These kind of people would kill
unwary travelers and rob them. The men in this clan of evil people would
imprison, torture, rape, and eventually kill any unwary women that they had
a chance to capture. The patriarch of the family would break in the females
born to the clan and then pass them around to other uncles, brothers,
cousins, etc. Where he goes that One day a Chalktaw girl was abducted
by the patriarch and raped. The girl fled after she escaped, and the
elders of her family came back in the night and captured the patriarch. The
girl's family staked the evil man to the ground and sliced open his belly so
that melusiphileia, or the man dog of that area could have a good meal
without having to work for it nlusiphileia, which translates to long evil being or
long wicked person. Anyway, the girl's family came back the next morning,
and sure enough, the evil man's soft organs, the heart, liver,
and kidneys were missing, and his intrails were spread all over the place.
The girl's family then took the body of the evil patriarch and threw it into
the brown spring to curse the spring to anyone that would rely on it for
water, namely the bad guys in the area. It is said that the
evil patriarch's family still has descendants in the area and that his ghost haunts the
area at night. Wow. So when whenever a kid in Marvel, the
marvelous Marv asked me to go to Brown Springs, this is the story he
read to me to entice me to go. So this story right here,
how far back was this was the story? The history of the story itself
says it was at the turn of the century. Now, this story was
an email submitted to the guy that did all the research, Butcher Roofs,
And it was submitted by a person who worked for the local sheriff's department and
had known a descendant of the family and was like investigating that case. There
was a very brutal rape case that they were investigating at the time whenever they
uncovered this story and this information. Now, with that being said, part
of that would be the woman's body that was found in nineteen ninety sen on
the hood of her car. That's the story that got me interested in Brown
Springs and terrifies me about the place. If it is true, and the
email that I just read supports it being true, which bothers me even more.
Yeah, as the story goes, a couple were parked at Brown Springs
somewhere, you know, doing what couples do in the dark, and apparently
they were attacked. They were killed. The boyfriend's body his head was twisted
around or his body was twisted around, and the woman was found dead on
the hood of the car and looked as though she had been sexually assaulted,
raped whatever you want to call it, and attacked by some sort of creature
not a person. It was a very brutal thing. And supposedly the people
investigating the physical evidence that they retrieved from the crime scene did not test as
human, meaning like primate or something. Yeah, okay, so this is
a cold case, so you know, you can't really access any of the
information. It was secondhand information whenever I heard it. It supposedly came from
someone who was involved in the investigation, were involved in the department that held
the investigation, the local sheriff or whatever this was. This came from like
a deputy or someone who worked in the deputy's office or something. And I
don't know, man, I mean, it's brutal, but like I mean,
that was the first place that I ever heard stories of Nelusa filea,
which translates to long evil beings, which if you look them up, the
description of them kind of matches a dog man. And that was kind of
the rumor, you know, Yeah, do you think maybe this was like
like they this they didn't they didn't know what a big foot was and they
just caught it a dog man, you think. I don't know, because
see I've read different descriptions of them, and depictions of them show them as
like more of a canine and not a bigfoot. They have like these really
long pointed ears and stuff. Yeah, I don't know, man. And
then I you know, I had heard like another story coming out of there
about another couple. But this couple got to their car they were being chased.
This thing was like standing at the tree line and they were like in
the middle of a field in the area, and they saw it and they
jumped up and ran to their car. This thing came after them. They
got in the car, they were driving off, and they came to like
a t in the road to leave the area, and this thing busted the
window and killed the guy that was behind the steering wheel, and the girl
was able to get over and get control of the vehicle and drove home.
And I guess her parents called the cops or something. I mean, I
don't know. You know, these are all just stories. Yeah, you
knew, like I was telling you, kid Marvel, Kid Marvel enticed me
to go to the ground Springs with with the the the dog man story and
the one uh with the with the couple with both being dead. He enticed
me with both of these stories, and he had he had brought it to
my attention. He goes, we we should go there, and I said,
uh, And I didn't know anything anything about Brown Springs at the time,
and I said I go, hey, yeah, let's go. And
so I just jumped aboard and went So it's funny how you know it resurfaces
and U tell that story again. So it kind of made me. I
had a flashbacks of being there again. So you just saying those those two
stories. So I mean, it's it's a crazy story. Yeah, you
know, is it true? I don't know, That's what I'm saying,
Like, it's these rumors that has kind of created this lore around this place.
But then whenever you talk to people who actually visit the location, a
lot of them experience and things. Yeah, I mean, I would say
this, Matt. I've been. I've been in Louisiana. I've been in
Texas, East Texas. I've been in Southeast Texas. I've been in all
over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've been in Ohio, North
Carolina. This place, brown Springs, is probably bar none, the scariest
place I've ever been. And I've been, Like I said, I've been
a lot of areas. I've been staking out areas, you know, whenever
someone has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an
area to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create
like dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines,
in electrical rideaways, gas ride aways, you know, sometimes by myself,
and that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like bar none,
the craziest place I've ever been. And I've only been there once.
People have heard me talk about the dead End Road in Texas and it's inside
the Angelina National Forest, and that place is the scariest place I've ever been.
Now, I was there a lot. I went there many times.
I know other people that have been there many times. And I will say
this, I know people that have gone there and experienced absolutely nothing and felt
fun. I know two knuckleheads from Texas. You know them too, Logan
and Steven, who went down there and sat in the dark and ate pie
in the middle of the night at the dead End Road, which sounds ludicrous
to me, but they didn't have any issues. And I know that quite
a few people, you know, because on a former podcast I was involved
with, we talked about Brown Springs and we told the stories and everything,
and it got some attention. It got some traction in the bigfoot world,
especially, and I know that people have kind of built a reputation for themselves
for being investigators at Brown Springs and oh, it's nothing and it's not anything
evil and it's nothing like that, and that's fine. Maybe it's not for
them, Maybe it is for someone else. Maybe it used to be,
maybe it's not anymore. I don't know, but I can tell you that
the dead End has a history of bad things happening there. There used to
be a sawmill there that slaves were used in the labor process and have been
buried in the area whenever they died or were killed, and Lynchings took place
at the dead End, and I've experienced some paranormal stuff at the dead End,
and the dead End, which to me sounds very much like Brown Springs,
is one of those places that just has a lot of negative energy.
Yeah, and it's just a bad ju ju place, and then has bigfoot
stuff there too, and then has bigfoot stuff there too, and and potentially
dog Manu Laurie Phillips saw a dog man down there. Wow. So I
mean, both of these places have a lot of similarities and I just can't
help but wonder if you know there's places like that just around the world that
are just these negative energy spaces where bad stuff happens or it causes bad stuff
to happen. I've always wanted to go, and I'm going on off subject
really quick here. I always wanted to go, like to Scotland and England
and go to the castle's there. So I imagine the energy there because it's
like hundreds and hundred and centuries of bad stuff happened there. Yeah, So
that's always been one of my deals. So, I mean, I don't
know for some reason, brown Springs, for being only there one time,
it has a huge influence on me on the paranormal. For me and the
Bigfoot, it was like, uh, it opened a lot of it opened
a lot. It opened me up to a lot because at the time I
was I was, I was with the TVR Sea and we were flesh and
blood completely and that's the way we thought. So when I when I went
there and for the very first time and had that, it opened up.
It opened me up to a lot of possibilities because it was just I had
so many questions and not enough answers. I mean something that you and I
have both talked about just recently on your show as a matter of fact,
some people being more receptive or sensitive to paranormal events and strange events in general.
Mm hm. And so that might be the case at these type places
where certain people can have these experiences or will have these experiences on occasion where
other people just aren't receptive to it. You know, if you're deaf,
you don't hear stuff, you know, absolutely, So it might be some
situation like that where whatever it is that allows some people to experience these things,
other people just don't have it or who knows, but there's something to
it. All These people wouldn't be sending in these emails and sharing those stories
if they didn't experience things there. So if people are still researching the area,
best of luck to them. I look forward to seeing what they have.
And if someone listening has experienced something that Brown springs, email me and
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