A Combat Veteran’s Bigfoot Encounter in Arizona | I Saw a Red-Haired Bigfoot Step From the Trees

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. On this episode, I'm joined
<v Speaker 1>by Wayne from Arizona, a combat veteran with a lifetime
<v Speaker 1>of extraordinary experiences. Wayne shares a chilling encounter from the
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties while driving a remote forest service road at dusk,
<v Speaker 1>when a massive, all burned colored creature stepped out from
<v Speaker 1>behind the trees. Decades later, in twenty sixteen, Wayne would
<v Speaker 1>experience something just as unsettling while camping near the mogion rim,
<v Speaker 1>An area known for countless bigfoot reports. If you enjoy
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<v Speaker 1>into Wayne's bigfoot encounters and experiences from the state of Arizona. Wayne,
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Sasquatch Theory.
<v Speaker 2>How are you doing today, good sir, Thanks for having me.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it's an absolute pleasure to have you on the
<v Speaker 1>show today. Wayne. If you would tell me a little
<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself, where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters
<v Speaker 1>and experiences from the very beginning. Please.
<v Speaker 2>My name is Wayne, I'm from Arizona. I'm a musician
<v Speaker 2>by trade. I served seven years in the Army in
<v Speaker 2>the desert storm that.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your service and thank you for sharing that.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me about your first experience and
<v Speaker 1>kind of put me in your shoes and try to
<v Speaker 1>describe everything with as much detail as possible, please, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty one, I was eighteen, and I was
<v Speaker 2>on a forest service road in northern Arizona. It's pine trees, oaks,
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. A lot of people think Arizona's
<v Speaker 2>a big desert, but it's not. And I was driving.
<v Speaker 2>It was a round dusk, and I looked in my
<v Speaker 2>room view mirror and I noticed how the sun will
<v Speaker 2>come down through the trees, you know, a gap in
<v Speaker 2>the trees. And I looked and I saw something really
<v Speaker 2>bright red and it caught my attention. So I slowed
<v Speaker 2>down and I kept looking at it, and then I
<v Speaker 2>backed up. And this whole time I never took my
<v Speaker 2>eyes off because I was driving relatively slow, and it
<v Speaker 2>started coming out of that sunlight, and I could see
<v Speaker 2>it was an ape, is what I thought. And I
<v Speaker 2>was in shock, and my mind is racing, thinking is
<v Speaker 2>there a circus in town? And of course there's not.
<v Speaker 2>And then I noticed that it covered this gap between
<v Speaker 2>trees of about seventy five meters in just seconds. And
<v Speaker 2>then my mind I had cognitive dissonance. My mind was
<v Speaker 2>saying this is not real, and it's saying, yes, this
<v Speaker 2>is really you're looking at it. And it kept going
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, and whenever that shock went away, I
<v Speaker 2>could really concentrate on it, and it was getting I
<v Speaker 2>was looking through my back window from the side windows
<v Speaker 2>on the vehicle, and it was auburn color. It wasn't
<v Speaker 2>bright because the sun went on. It's auburn. And the
<v Speaker 2>first thing I noticed was a conical head. And then
<v Speaker 2>as it got closer, it was walking and its arms
<v Speaker 2>would go way up high, as if the old soldiers
<v Speaker 2>that did the goose step. It was like that. And
<v Speaker 2>when this arms did go up, I saw hair hanging
<v Speaker 2>down like an oranger. Came about two foot or so,
<v Speaker 2>and then when his arms went down, it went past
<v Speaker 2>his knees, and I fixated on its bicep while I
<v Speaker 2>was doing this, and I could see through the hair.
<v Speaker 2>The hair is about four or five inches long, and
<v Speaker 2>I could see the skin, and I could see the
<v Speaker 2>bicep flex and it just blew me away. It's nothing
<v Speaker 2>that a man could ever achieve weightlifting. And it was
<v Speaker 2>walking by, and then it it hadd no concern that
<v Speaker 2>I was there, it seemed like. And then it took
<v Speaker 2>its left arm, and he was walking towards the oak bush.
<v Speaker 2>It just parted. It stepped into it, and the brush
<v Speaker 2>the branches came back, and he was gone. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>trying to I'm trying to think of more details here. Anything.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Miguel, I'm trying to.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, no, you're fine, And I certainly believe you. That's
<v Speaker 1>an amazing encounter. And I can definitely relate when you
<v Speaker 1>said that your mind was like trying to tell you
<v Speaker 1>you didn't see it, and you know you did, and
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of going back and forth. That's what my
<v Speaker 1>mind did when I encountered the Sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, and oh, and then I forgot to mention
<v Speaker 2>that deciding seemed to last thirty seconds. However, with my
<v Speaker 2>mind racing and everything, it's hard to really accurately engauge
<v Speaker 2>how long it was. But it was a good sighting though,
<v Speaker 2>I mean as far as length.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, thirty seconds is a long time with Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>because you're in shock and it kind of slows time down,
<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of hard to tell how long it
<v Speaker 1>actually lasted.
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly it. It seemed as if my mind
<v Speaker 2>slowed down. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So this thing was walking through the trees when you
<v Speaker 1>saw it, Like at first it was standing there and
<v Speaker 1>then it walked off. Is that correct?
<v Speaker 2>No, it was walking the whole time. I just happened
<v Speaker 2>to catch it walking. Like I say, it's tall pine trees,
<v Speaker 2>getting towards dusk. I could still see, but you know
<v Speaker 2>how the sun will come down through an opening in
<v Speaker 2>the trees and you'll see the sunlight. And that's why
<v Speaker 2>I caught it. And it was walking towards me as
<v Speaker 2>I was parked on the road there.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And it didn't care that you were around.
<v Speaker 2>Huh No, that's what got me. It knew I was there,
<v Speaker 2>he didn't seem to care at all, And I found
<v Speaker 2>that kind of strange.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's amazing. One of the sasquatch encounter kind
<v Speaker 1>of did the same thing. He just got up and
<v Speaker 1>walked off. He didn't really seem to care that I
<v Speaker 1>was in the area. It kind of made me feel
<v Speaker 1>like he'd been watching me for a while. But I
<v Speaker 1>think they just have a lot of confidence, like with
<v Speaker 1>how big they are, They're like, okay, come at me
<v Speaker 1>and see what happens.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And in retrospect, I think where my
<v Speaker 2>car was parked, I think he intentionally meant to cross there,
<v Speaker 2>and I I interrupted that for him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think it was up to other
<v Speaker 1>than just crossing that specific area? Why do you think
<v Speaker 1>he was hanging out there?
<v Speaker 2>That's good, Ques. He looked like he was. He had
<v Speaker 2>a purpose, you know, he was moving with a purpose
<v Speaker 2>if that makes any sense.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>And I have no idea what he was doing, to
<v Speaker 2>be honest with you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he could have been chasing a female, could have
<v Speaker 1>been hunting in the area, or just simply observing you.
<v Speaker 2>True, true, true, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So, like on his arms, he had longer hair, kind
<v Speaker 1>of like an orangutane, Like it hung.
<v Speaker 2>Down exactly, It hung down two foot maybe a little more.
<v Speaker 2>And like I say, his arms went way high, and
<v Speaker 2>when it did it would block his face, then his
<v Speaker 2>arm would go down.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think he kept his hands up?
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I think it was just his natural emotion
<v Speaker 2>of walking.
<v Speaker 1>Okay what you're saying?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. But the odd part I found strange anyway,
<v Speaker 2>was as he before he stepped into that bush, I thought,
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get a good look at his face.
<v Speaker 2>And as soon as I thought that, he turned his
<v Speaker 2>shoulder stuck his arm up as if he didn't want
<v Speaker 2>me to see his face. I found that odd. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, A lot of people say not to make eye
<v Speaker 1>contact with them. Maybe he was trying to prevent himself
<v Speaker 1>from making eye contact with you.
<v Speaker 2>Oh guess I never thought of it that way. And
<v Speaker 2>another thing I wanted to mention Miguel is that this
<v Speaker 2>thing is the king of the jungle, so to speak.
<v Speaker 2>It could take any game down here in Arizona, but
<v Speaker 2>no problem.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely. How big was the conical shaped head?
<v Speaker 1>Did it just come up to a crest or was
<v Speaker 1>it pretty elongated?
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't severely longated, but it was noticeable, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, that was the first thing I
<v Speaker 2>noticed on it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And did you notice any smells, any strange feelings, any
<v Speaker 1>noises prior to the encounter.
<v Speaker 2>No, nothing like that at all. But I did forget
<v Speaker 2>to mention this thing. I guess tomate. He had to
<v Speaker 2>be nine foot tall, maybe a little more, and its
<v Speaker 2>shoulders had to been at least four foot apart, maybe more. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>it was just huge. And then it looked like a
<v Speaker 2>mail on his prime and from it came down to
<v Speaker 2>a V in his waist, a V shape.
<v Speaker 1>Why, yeah, this thing is huge.
<v Speaker 2>Then yes, yes, And it looked like I said, he
<v Speaker 2>was in his prime.
<v Speaker 1>So you you think it was a male, huh?
<v Speaker 2>I do. Of course, There's no way to tell for sure,
<v Speaker 2>but that's the impression I got. I didn't see any
<v Speaker 2>breast or anything like that. I just saw a massive chest.
<v Speaker 1>Did it look menacing or did it look kind?
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't managing, and I I wouldn't say kind. I
<v Speaker 2>think he was just ignoring me, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. People have mentioned that they have like autistic traits,
<v Speaker 1>like autistic children won't look at you in the eye.
<v Speaker 1>And I kind of got that feeling with the sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>that you encountered, like I didn't want to look at
<v Speaker 1>you in the eye.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, kind of you Yeah, yeah, you didn't care like, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. Though. It couldn't have gone far though.
<v Speaker 1>When it disappeared in the brush, it probably got in
<v Speaker 1>a place where it could just observe you and feel
<v Speaker 1>a little more comfortable.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 1>Did you get out and look for it?
<v Speaker 2>No? I didn't. You know, after if you saw what
<v Speaker 2>I saw, you wouldn't want there you go.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any sasquatch that I encountered, it's like, huh, well
<v Speaker 1>that's all I needed to know. I don't need to
<v Speaker 1>go chasing after it.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. But I didn't think to look for prints
<v Speaker 2>or anything. I was in a state of shock, and
<v Speaker 2>I sat there for a minute and then I drove off. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It's not till afterwards that you think of that stuff
<v Speaker 1>when you see one. Like I said, that's all the
<v Speaker 1>evidence you need, And then later on you're like, dang,
<v Speaker 1>I should have looked for tracks, or I wish I
<v Speaker 1>would have hung out there a little bit longer, And
<v Speaker 1>you just can't think of it in the moment because
<v Speaker 1>you're in shock.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this was in the eighties, is that correct?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was in nineteen eighty one, and it was uh,
<v Speaker 2>it was in August. I believe July or August, but
<v Speaker 2>I want to say August.
<v Speaker 1>When does elk hunting or mule deer hunting start up there?
<v Speaker 2>Ah, let me see here. I believe that you can
<v Speaker 2>do some. I believe in September, but December is the
<v Speaker 2>main month, I believe. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it makes me wonder why he was hanging out there.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've read stories where the uh, the Apache tribe
<v Speaker 2>here has a history of these things in their folklore,
<v Speaker 2>I guess you'd call it. And where I was was
<v Speaker 2>just on the other side of where they say there's
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of activity in the past.
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to mention the national forest that you're
<v Speaker 1>in or do you just want to say a Forest Service.
<v Speaker 2>It was I'd say Forest Service Row because they'd give
<v Speaker 2>my location away.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair enough. And is there a lot of
<v Speaker 1>woods there? I'm guessing so since it's on national forest.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of woods. It's a mountain range
<v Speaker 2>that's one hundred miles long twenty five foot or twenty
<v Speaker 2>five miles wide. And the elevations. I live in a
<v Speaker 2>mile high city and I think the highest elevation is
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight hundred foot so it's mountainous, there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of forest.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, did you run into anyone when you were
<v Speaker 1>out there?
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't see anybody.
<v Speaker 1>Was it the weekend or in the week.
<v Speaker 2>It was on? Let me see. Uh, it's hard to say.
<v Speaker 2>I don't really remember. I think if it would have
<v Speaker 2>been a weekend, there would have been I would have
<v Speaker 2>seen other people. Yeah, so I believe the weekday.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, that makes sense. And was it nice weather?
<v Speaker 1>Was it kind of wet outside? Clear?
<v Speaker 2>It was clear, and it was great weather for this
<v Speaker 2>time of year. Perfect.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I've noticed the Sasquatch are out on beautiful days,
<v Speaker 1>especially during the week, like Wednesdays. That's when I had
<v Speaker 1>my encounters. It seemed to be in the middle of
<v Speaker 1>the week when everyone's at work, beautiful sunny day, no
<v Speaker 1>one's outside, and they seem to know people's pattern. There's
<v Speaker 1>a lot more people out on the weekends.
<v Speaker 2>Right right. And another thing I forgot to mention when
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about the Apache Indian tribe here, they
<v Speaker 2>say that these the the Bigfoot. In the summer migrate
<v Speaker 2>to the Mogile and rim and they say during the
<v Speaker 2>fall they come down here to this forest and it's
<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles as the crow flies. So they say
<v Speaker 2>they migrate back and forth depending on the weather.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like they migrate. And I
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say migrate from my British Columbia down to Florida,
<v Speaker 1>but migrate around the state and move to different areas
<v Speaker 1>according to the season and resources that are available.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I'm on the Mogile and Rim, the winters
<v Speaker 2>are very harsh, so yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And the elk kind of do that too, like they
<v Speaker 1>go up and down in in elevation when the seasons change.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we get that here a lot.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, Okay, Well what else happened after this? Wayne?
<v Speaker 2>Well, uh, we jumped to twenty sixteen and I was
<v Speaker 2>camping with a friend of mine and we had our campers, oh,
<v Speaker 2>probably about twenty foot apart, campfire in the middle, and
<v Speaker 2>we had just got done eating dinner writing over four
<v Speaker 2>wheelers all day, and again it was getting dusk, but
<v Speaker 2>it was a little darker than the first time I
<v Speaker 2>experienced this, and yeah, I'm sorry, And we just got
<v Speaker 2>done eating cleaning up, and we both went to our
<v Speaker 2>campers and we were sitting on the steps and I
<v Speaker 2>always keep since I saw that first bigfoot. I always
<v Speaker 2>keep a rifle on me in the woods, and I
<v Speaker 2>had it right next to my doorway and we started
<v Speaker 2>hearing it sounded like coyotes, oh maybe one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>fifty two hundred meters away, but it didn't sound right.
<v Speaker 2>Something was off. And then they did this or oh
<v Speaker 2>maybe a minute maybe two, and it kind of broke off.
<v Speaker 2>But when it did, you heard laughing. Sounds not like
<v Speaker 2>a teenager messing with your nothing, but it was just odd.
<v Speaker 2>And then immediately when that stopped. Uh, to my right,
<v Speaker 2>there was some trees again the woodline, and I heard
<v Speaker 2>samurai chatter, and you know, I just you know, I
<v Speaker 2>was really surprised. And uh when I when I heard it,
<v Speaker 2>I I instantly grabbed my rifle and my friend grabbed
<v Speaker 2>his rifle at his camper, and I knew what it was,
<v Speaker 2>and I just showing it that, hey, I don't want trouble,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I'm gonna shoot you if I have to.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, and then that that made it stop. But
<v Speaker 2>when I heard the samurai samurai chatter, it was in
<v Speaker 2>a hushed tone, as if it was telling or relating
<v Speaker 2>information to another one that was by it and so
<v Speaker 2>I figured there was two there, and with the coyote calls,
<v Speaker 2>I figured there had to have been and I'm guessing
<v Speaker 2>five or six up different voices I was hearing. So
<v Speaker 2>I think we had a pack of them, a family
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you want to call clan, a big foot
<v Speaker 2>around us and perhaps you know, writing four wheelers all
<v Speaker 2>day we had drawn their attention. And yeah, and I
<v Speaker 2>didn't smell anything at all, and trying to, yeah, trying
<v Speaker 2>to think. If you ask me questions, I'm sure I'll
<v Speaker 2>come up with more detail.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the encounter and the separate experience, both of
<v Speaker 1>them happened right at dusk.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly exactly the same, about the same time. And
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to mention. This second encounter was on the
<v Speaker 2>Moggion Rim near Potato Lake. And I've been studying this
<v Speaker 2>for forty five years, and there's been several sidings, uh
<v Speaker 2>around that area.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and I've had several reports from the Mogolon Rim.
<v Speaker 1>How do you say it? I can't pronounce it, Moggi okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Mogi yeah, okay, cool. Such an interesting name. Did that
<v Speaker 1>come from the Native Americans or is that French?
<v Speaker 2>I believe it's Spanish for the uh, the guy when
<v Speaker 2>Spain came to here that through Arizona. He founded that
<v Speaker 2>that trail. He was the first guy white guy to
<v Speaker 2>so they named it after him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, very interesting and it seems like a really
<v Speaker 1>hot area. Most of the reports I have from Arizona
<v Speaker 1>are from this specific area. So yeah, how cool is that?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it definitely sounds like sasquatch. The vocalizations can
<v Speaker 1>easily be confused with coyotes, but the laughing that that
<v Speaker 1>definitely sounds like Bigfoot. And then you started hearing the
<v Speaker 1>samurai chatter like they were talking back and forth. I
<v Speaker 1>wonder what they're saying.
<v Speaker 2>It's they weren't talk The ones next to me were
<v Speaker 2>not talking to the crat to the other one. It
<v Speaker 2>was talking to another one next to him, I believe
<v Speaker 2>because it was a hush tone. And I think there
<v Speaker 2>were two of them there and they were communicating. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, and another I'll go ahead, Well,
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, you said there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>sightings on the rim. I'm mogian rim. Their abundance of
<v Speaker 2>a lot of life. There, tons of elk, deer, turkey,
<v Speaker 2>it's all there. So I think it's a rich in
<v Speaker 2>game that that's where Yeah, they need to be.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and it makes sense though. I feel like they
<v Speaker 1>had been watching you guys for a while and they
<v Speaker 1>waited for it to get dark to make their move.
<v Speaker 1>They started communicating with one another, and maybe the food
<v Speaker 1>like drew these creatures in.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking. I'd like, you say, the
<v Speaker 2>combination of both and the fact that it happened directly
<v Speaker 2>after we ate our meal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you guys separated and went to the campers.
<v Speaker 2>Well, we were both sitting on the steps of our campers.
<v Speaker 1>Not too far away from each other, right.
<v Speaker 2>No, about twenty foot maybe, And like I said, at
<v Speaker 2>the same time, we both just grabbed our rifles and
<v Speaker 2>showed them, you know, just to let it know whoever
<v Speaker 2>it was or whatever it was, you know, the we're
<v Speaker 2>not messing around.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they seem to reciprocate the message, like they
<v Speaker 1>knew what a firearm was.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. Over the years, I felt that
<v Speaker 2>these I'm sorry here, I'm trying to explain this the
<v Speaker 2>best I can. Shit, I'm sorry, what was the question again?
<v Speaker 1>No, No, you're fine. I was just listening for the
<v Speaker 1>most part, And did the Native Americans tell you what
<v Speaker 1>they are?
<v Speaker 2>No? No, But at first I thought they were a
<v Speaker 2>species of North American ape, unfounded. But I've evolved to
<v Speaker 2>where I believe that they are interdimensional creatures. As crazy
<v Speaker 2>as that sounds. I believe there's a spiritual aspect to
<v Speaker 2>all of this.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe that too. And just because something is
<v Speaker 1>spiritual or supernatural, that doesn't mean it's not flesh and
<v Speaker 1>blood exactly. Definitely. I think it answers a lot of
<v Speaker 1>questions as to why tracks disappear, why these things can cloak,
<v Speaker 1>why balls of light are associated to them, and all
<v Speaker 1>the different activity as far as them marketing, tagging, people
<v Speaker 1>following them, vast distances, and even strange reports like mind speak.
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a thing. I haven't experienced it, but I've
<v Speaker 1>had strange things that I can't describe.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said that because it reminded me. Like
<v Speaker 2>I say, I've evolved my belief into thinking it's with
<v Speaker 2>the spiritual and I've heard of the mind speak. So
<v Speaker 2>as foolish as it sounds, in my mind, I was
<v Speaker 2>saying to this thing, you know, I've got a gun.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want trouble, but I'll shoot you if I
<v Speaker 2>have to. And it all ended.
<v Speaker 1>Then, So you just kind of projected your top your
<v Speaker 1>thoughts towards the creature and the direction that the sounds
<v Speaker 1>were coming.
<v Speaker 2>From exactly exactly. And like I say, I believe that
<v Speaker 2>they do mind speaks because it's a spiritual creature. So
<v Speaker 2>that's why I did it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it reminds me like the chatter, it reminds
<v Speaker 1>me of like some ancient Native American language or I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like Mongolian or something, which which is strange,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm I mean, there's there's definitely a distinct language
<v Speaker 1>to them, and I think it'd be so cool if
<v Speaker 1>somebody could figure it out and sit down with these things,
<v Speaker 1>with the tribe and learn the clan's language.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Well have you heard, Oh, what's the guy's name?
<v Speaker 2>Jack something is a navy linguist.
<v Speaker 1>I know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he has interesting work.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he does for sure. And did you experience any
<v Speaker 1>any supernatural activity on either of these trips as far
<v Speaker 1>as balls of light, any anything you can't explain.
<v Speaker 2>No, nothing like that. It was all physical, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then that night, did they do anything else when
<v Speaker 1>you and your friend were camping. They didn't slap the
<v Speaker 1>side of the camper, start throwing rocks or vocalizing in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night.
<v Speaker 2>No, none of that. It was really quiet. And the
<v Speaker 2>next morning I got up and I looked around for
<v Speaker 2>any sign and but it had been raining on and off,
<v Speaker 2>and the floor, the forest floor was all pine needles wet,
<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't find any tracks, but I did search.
<v Speaker 2>And then that morning my friend he said to me,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we shouldn't have pulled our rifles out last night,
<v Speaker 2>And I said why not? He says, it was just
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just some kids messing with us.
<v Speaker 2>And I just shook my head. But I thought that
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what you just encountered, you know, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely. And what did the samurai chatter sound like? Exactly?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever heard the Ron moorehead
<v Speaker 1>Sierra sounds, but yes, what did it sound like when
<v Speaker 1>they were talking back and forth or like the strange
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I wouldn't call it demonic sounds, but
<v Speaker 1>like the gut roll.
<v Speaker 2>No, it was they were just speaking, uh you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>it was short. He didn't say a lot, but I
<v Speaker 2>recognized it, and like you say, it was a language
<v Speaker 2>that and they were he was speaking to him.
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever wonder like maybe the first a squatch
<v Speaker 1>you encountered remembered you, and like maybe these things know
<v Speaker 1>you or possibly followed you to this area many years later.
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever wonder about that?
<v Speaker 2>No? I feel that it was two separate encounters.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, no, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>But I also believe that that they can follow you,
<v Speaker 2>since they are spiritual in nature, if they choose to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in between those encounters, you've been out to
<v Speaker 1>the forest many different times, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I still I'm not gonna let her ruin my
<v Speaker 2>enjoyment of nature. However, when I go out, I am
<v Speaker 2>heavily armed. I know in the back of my mind,
<v Speaker 2>I know they're out there, so I kind of keep
<v Speaker 2>an eye out and I carry an AK forty seven
<v Speaker 2>with a forty round mag and a couple thirty round
<v Speaker 2>mags to back that up. So that's how it changed me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I don't blame you. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 1>good to go out there and be armed because you
<v Speaker 1>never know what you're going to encounter. It may not
<v Speaker 1>be a bigfoot, it could be another cryptid or a bear,
<v Speaker 1>or a mountain lion, or some crazy person that wants
<v Speaker 1>to take you out.
<v Speaker 2>You just never know exactly. Unfortunately, that's today's world.
<v Speaker 1>It is. And a lot of people say that these
<v Speaker 1>things are our forest friends, which which it could be true.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they are, but at the same time, you don't
<v Speaker 1>want to take any chances.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, right.
<v Speaker 1>I never hear those people saying I went out deep
<v Speaker 1>into the middle of the woods and just set up
<v Speaker 1>a hammock and slept in this huge forest. Like the
<v Speaker 1>people that are saying that rarely go out. If they
<v Speaker 1>do camp, it's just like right off a road and
<v Speaker 1>a little designated camping spot with other people. So I
<v Speaker 1>feel like you're definitely doing the right thing by carrying
<v Speaker 1>because as you never know.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any other strange things that have happened throughout your
<v Speaker 1>life that you can't explain. It doesn't have to be
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot necessarily. Any supernatural encounters.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And if I reveal the stuff, I've seen them,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna sound crazy, but uh, I'll just be honest.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen shadow people in my room in twos and
<v Speaker 2>in threes, and uh, I actually saw the ghost of
<v Speaker 2>the lady who lived here before. One time I sat
<v Speaker 2>down in my chair and I heard a voice say, oh,
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, But the sound didn't The sound originated in
<v Speaker 2>my ear canal, if that makes any sense. But you know, man,
<v Speaker 2>you think here U. Yeah, that's pretty much what I've
<v Speaker 2>seen is really odd things, you know, But I can
<v Speaker 2>also since when something bad is around at times.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, and I totally believe you. That's not too
<v Speaker 1>far out there. Honestly, there's a lot of people that
<v Speaker 1>have experienced the paranormal as far as full body apparitions
<v Speaker 1>and hearing voices in their ear. Do you feel like
<v Speaker 1>maybe it mind spoke to you like instead of like
<v Speaker 1>something like physically or I guess supernaturally saying it right
<v Speaker 1>next to your head. Do you feel like it put
<v Speaker 1>the thought in your head?
<v Speaker 2>No, I really it was audible, but it wasn't as
<v Speaker 2>if he was standing next to me. It was as
<v Speaker 2>if the sound originated inside my ear drum. Uh, it
<v Speaker 2>passed through my ear drum to my brain, so it
<v Speaker 2>I believe it. I heard it from the outside. It
<v Speaker 2>sounds odd, I know, but yeah, that's what happened.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard to describe these things sometimes, and I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you for being transparent with man. I often wonder,
<v Speaker 1>like people that encounter the Sasquatch, are they also having
<v Speaker 1>other strange things happen. Why do you think these things
<v Speaker 1>were showing up at your house? As far as the
<v Speaker 1>shadow people and obviously the lady that used to live there,
<v Speaker 1>that one makes sense, But why do you think the
<v Speaker 1>shadow people were there?
<v Speaker 2>At that point in my life? I was in a
<v Speaker 2>severe state of depression, and I think that they knew
<v Speaker 2>that and I was weak, and that they were they
<v Speaker 2>either drive me crazy or get rid of me. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they feed off of negative energy and they attack
<v Speaker 1>people when they're at their lowest.
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what it was.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yeah, they're predators, that's for sure, and they take
<v Speaker 1>advantage of people on unfortunately. And yeah, I mean you
<v Speaker 1>sharing that was the difference of you know, they're just
<v Speaker 1>being this traditional bigfoot report. I saw it walk off
<v Speaker 1>in the woods and that's all it was. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people that I've interviewed in the
<v Speaker 1>past that have have shadowed people in their house and
<v Speaker 1>it's still going on today. And there are people that
<v Speaker 1>I've interviewed on the channel that have seen Bigfoot outside.
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's definitely a lot a lot of people,
<v Speaker 1>and they all tell me the same thing. Don't don't
<v Speaker 1>say anything to go. I don't want to share that,
<v Speaker 1>but that's what's going on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I say, it's, uh, that's what makes me
<v Speaker 2>to believe that Bigfoot is spiritual nature because that in
<v Speaker 2>the paranormal has so many similarities. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, it definitely does. Especially like when they slap
<v Speaker 1>the side of the house, it reminds me of like
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity inside the house because you hear those same booms,
<v Speaker 1>things slapping like different I don't know, banging things around. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Or you see like the orbs out in the woods.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, people that have paranormal activity, that's the
<v Speaker 1>same thing they see inside their house. Or the mind
<v Speaker 1>speak that people say the sasquash can do, It's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal can do that as well. Or the cloaking.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, Bigfoot just disappeared into thin air. That
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a full body apparition. How the tracks just disappear,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of parallels
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to bigfoot and paranormal entities. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans, they say bigfoots of flesh and blood creature,
<v Speaker 1>but they're also spiritual, And yes, I can't disagree with that.
<v Speaker 1>If I've never heard the Native Americans say that, I
<v Speaker 1>would still think that because of my experiences seeing the
<v Speaker 1>balls of light in the woods and experiencing physical strange
<v Speaker 1>activity out there. Like you said, like an undiscovered primate
<v Speaker 1>living in North America, I experience both, so like my
<v Speaker 1>mind goes in both directions.
<v Speaker 2>And that's understandable. Yes, you've had some great experiences.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, and they continue to happen, just not
<v Speaker 1>as much as they did, like around twenty nineteen to
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. But I still experience things like wood knocking, trees,
<v Speaker 1>being pushed over, seeing lights out in the woods, but
<v Speaker 1>I want to see them again.
<v Speaker 2>This is Missouri, Yeah, in Missouri? Okay, Okay, okay?
<v Speaker 1>Did it's all in the Ozarks close to the Mark
<v Speaker 1>Twain National Forest and by the Merrimack River when you
<v Speaker 1>were camping or actually when you had your sighting and
<v Speaker 1>when you were camping, was there a major waterway nearby? Again?
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to say it if it's going to
<v Speaker 1>give away the area, but you can just say, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's a river, pond lake.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, not in either location.
<v Speaker 1>No, okay, so just big woods, yes, exactly exactly, but
<v Speaker 1>there had have been drainages or dry creek beds or
<v Speaker 1>something then around right.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, all over the place. Yes, that's all over
<v Speaker 2>the place here. Yeah. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And are there like Native Americans in the area, any reservations.
<v Speaker 1>I know you spoke with some natives, but.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there's a reservation here. It's the you have
<v Speaker 2>a pie Apache tribe.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, are there any like I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>it's called. I think it's called like pictographs, like any like, Oh,
<v Speaker 1>paintings on the walls and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>All over the place here in Arizona. They're all over
<v Speaker 2>in both locations I was at. Yeah, yeah, it's very
<v Speaker 2>common to see them.
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. I feel like there's hidden messages in
<v Speaker 1>the artwork. I think I've seen one. I'm not sure
<v Speaker 1>if it's in Arizona, but it's like a like a
<v Speaker 1>spiral or like a swirl. It almost looks like a portal.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. And I noticed that that swirl can go
<v Speaker 2>either way, you know, so it makes me wonder what
<v Speaker 2>the difference means. But I agree with you exactly. I
<v Speaker 2>believe it's a portal they're letting us know, and I
<v Speaker 2>guess exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I've seen I think it was like a Norway and
<v Speaker 1>in other areas around the world where people have actually
<v Speaker 1>filmed that that same swirl, it's like up in the sky.
<v Speaker 1>It kind of looks like the Northern lights, but just
<v Speaker 1>like a giant.
<v Speaker 2>Swirl, you know, I remember seeing that. I'm glad you
<v Speaker 2>brought that to my attention. You're exactly right, Yes, and
<v Speaker 2>I noticed too on the I haven't seen it personally,
<v Speaker 2>but on the pictograsp and some beings have six fingers,
<v Speaker 2>and I think that ties into when the Nephelim we're here.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Yeah, there's people that have found big Foot
<v Speaker 1>tracks in the past that have like six toes, but
<v Speaker 1>it's rare. Most of the ones I see have five toes,
<v Speaker 1>but people have found them with extra digits. But there's
<v Speaker 1>also people born with extra digits, especially if they're right.
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. It's called like RH negative blood type really, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>which that's what the Yeah, the giants were RH blood.
<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it'd be cool to see inside a sasquatch's mouth
<v Speaker 1>to see if it has like two rows of teeth.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're you're well versed on the Netland then good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely a thing. And I wonder
<v Speaker 1>if in Arizona they've if they've uncovered like any giants.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they have. The Smithsonians have pulled out giants
<v Speaker 1>from pretty much every state all over and all over
<v Speaker 1>the worlds.
<v Speaker 2>I've read articles where they have found giants here in
<v Speaker 2>the area that I'm in that I live. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's the Lovelock Cave, which, right can't be too
<v Speaker 1>far away from Arizona. I think it was like in Utah, Nevada,
<v Speaker 1>New Mexico.
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, I believe, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the red hairs exactly exactly.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, you when you have cultures from all
<v Speaker 2>over the world telling you the same thing, you gotta
<v Speaker 2>believe it. You know something's up, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's see what other questions can
<v Speaker 1>I ask? Yeah, I don't know. I think you pretty
<v Speaker 1>well described everything. It was really cool hearing about the
<v Speaker 1>conical shaped head and the hair color on this creature.
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like it was pretty big. It's a good
<v Speaker 1>thing that it didn't like want to come after you,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it was just mining its own business.
<v Speaker 1>It almost pretended like you weren't around. And it disappeared
<v Speaker 1>into the.
<v Speaker 2>Brush exactly like I said before, him just ignored me.
<v Speaker 2>I thought was rather strange.
<v Speaker 1>You know, but sounds like me when I'm out there
<v Speaker 1>hiking there you go, Yeah, because like you see people
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, and it's like, oh, I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 1>go my own way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you. You know that's why I go
<v Speaker 2>out in the woods, is uh, you know, it's for
<v Speaker 2>the peace and the quiet. I don't want to hang
<v Speaker 2>out with people, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. And yeah, I appreciate
<v Speaker 1>you for reaching out. And yeah, yeah I definitely do too.
<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't believe how amazing your encounters were and
<v Speaker 1>how straightforward they were. I mean, that's so cool.
<v Speaker 2>Well thanks, And I think that since I've seen this
<v Speaker 2>other paranormal stuff, like I said, I think it all
<v Speaker 2>ties in and I guess I'm just susceptible to seeing
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, if that makes any sense.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people are and That's why I always ask
<v Speaker 1>that question, not just to get more info out of
<v Speaker 1>a person, but because that's how it was with me.
<v Speaker 1>It's start off with paranormal experiences and then later on
<v Speaker 1>turned into cryptid encounters, and then after that strange lights
<v Speaker 1>in the sky, and it's like, man, this can't be normal,
<v Speaker 1>Like I can't be the only one seeing this, And
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so many questions that pop up into
<v Speaker 1>my mind, so I have to ask other people, like, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>were you seeing this too?
<v Speaker 2>You know, ed Miguel, I've heard that I forget what
<v Speaker 2>tribe here in Arizona, I think as a Navajos said
<v Speaker 2>that when you start seeing these things more and more,
<v Speaker 2>that's the end times that we're getting towards the end times,
<v Speaker 2>is what they say. Yeah, the lae and it seems
<v Speaker 2>to be Yeah, and it seems to be what's happening now. Suddenly,
<v Speaker 2>in the last ten years or so, it's just exploded,
<v Speaker 2>you know, with sightings and so forth.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's been real scientific research done, for example
<v Speaker 1>at the Skinwalker Ranch, and that's exactly what was going on.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just like this strange dog creature or just
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot like there was strange, paranormal, unexplained mysteries happening, strange
<v Speaker 1>lights on the property. When they would dig, things would
<v Speaker 1>unfold in negative ways, Like it wasn't just one thing.
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Going on exactly. And that's very interesting. Skin Walker Range,
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Yeah, and there's other ones like it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, there's other places. There's also like the Marley
<v Speaker 1>Woods here in Missouri, and other strange areas all around
<v Speaker 1>the United States, I believe. I'm not sure if it's
<v Speaker 1>in the Carolinas, the Appalachia Mountains, but like there's places
<v Speaker 1>where the Native Americans would not go to, like they
<v Speaker 1>would skirt it around certain areas because they were so
<v Speaker 1>haunted and filled with strange, unexplained activity.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of that. I heard that the tribes avoided
<v Speaker 2>West Virginia years ago because they said it was full,
<v Speaker 2>it was evil place, and I don't know how true
<v Speaker 2>it is, but nobody lived there for a long time
<v Speaker 2>because of that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's the thing. You're not gonna go to
<v Speaker 1>these areas and experience A, B and C all within
<v Speaker 1>the same week, like if you live there your whole life,
<v Speaker 1>or if you're there for years, like you might experience
<v Speaker 1>strange things throughout the span of time that you're there.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it makes you feel like it's all connected
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, Okay, last year I saw ufo, and
<v Speaker 1>this year I saw a sasquatch, and the next year
<v Speaker 1>there's some strange canine thing that's walking on two legs.
<v Speaker 1>Like it has to be connected.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, I agree with you. Yeah, it's like
<v Speaker 2>all the folklore that we heard it is true.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, without a doubt, for sure. And it does
<v Speaker 1>make you wonder though, like if these things are then
<v Speaker 1>FHLM and that's why you're subceptible to do the activity.
<v Speaker 2>That's uh, that's what's been on my mind a lot
<v Speaker 2>in the last few years. Is it a nephylum? And
<v Speaker 2>I'm still teetering back and forth, but I kind of
<v Speaker 2>think that they are.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's everyone's conclusion. Who is a Christian
<v Speaker 1>or was a Christian at some point in time when
<v Speaker 1>they hear about Bigfoot or they have their own experiences,
<v Speaker 1>like their minds automatically gravitate to the lum and as
<v Speaker 1>far as like atheists, you know, they just say that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, And I am a Christian man, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I lived a life. So yeah, that's where my mind
<v Speaker 2>went to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think you're on the right track. And
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I definitely feel like the Nephilum have returned.
<v Speaker 1>We are in the last cycle, or as Christians say,
<v Speaker 1>the the end times. And I mean, even if you're
<v Speaker 1>not a believer of the Bible or religious in any way,
<v Speaker 1>you definitely get the feeling that we're heading towards the end,
<v Speaker 1>especially with the tensions that have been building with different
<v Speaker 1>nations and the capabilities that they have to completely destroy
<v Speaker 1>the planet with one push of a button.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, and I think right now the first time
<v Speaker 2>in history, we're seeing all the pieces put in place
<v Speaker 2>for the end times to happen. Like it says in
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Revelations.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's definitely a scary thing seeing all these
<v Speaker 1>countries with nukes that can pretty much destroy the entire planet.
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just one country that has it, it's
<v Speaker 1>multiple countries and none of them are really getting along.
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, okay, we'll see how this unfolds.
<v Speaker 2>It just takes one man man to undo the world.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of scary.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, all right, Wayne, Well, I
<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time, Thank you for logging down the report
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it really means you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and thanks for making it so easy for me.
<v Speaker 2>It was veryurvos, but you know, you made it easy
<v Speaker 2>for me, and I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I appreciate it. I always tell people not to
<v Speaker 1>be nervous, but inside I'm nervous as well.
<v Speaker 2>That's normal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you just never know who
<v Speaker 1>you're speaking with. And in this case, I'm glad you're
<v Speaker 1>down to earth. You had encounter similar to mine, and
<v Speaker 1>it definitely helps me out because I question this every day,
<v Speaker 1>not that I didn't see it, but just like what
<v Speaker 1>the heck is going on out there? And when I
<v Speaker 1>hear other people with similar experiences, it really grounds me
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, reminds me that I really did
<v Speaker 1>encounter with what I saw.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and it's on my mind a lot, you know,
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I don't know. I had two other experiences,
<v Speaker 2>but they're so crazy. I'll just go ahead and tell you, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you can cut this if you want. That's fine.
<v Speaker 1>Let's hear about it. We're going into overtime.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I'm glad we are.
<v Speaker 2>Oh. You know, when I was. I had just gotten
<v Speaker 2>out of the army, and this was nineteen ninety three.
<v Speaker 2>I was walking down an old railroad track to the
<v Speaker 2>Burger King and suddenly I fell out. I was on
<v Speaker 2>the ground, but my spirit left my body and I
<v Speaker 2>was going down like a giant. I'm not a giant,
<v Speaker 2>but a big pit and I was going down, falling
<v Speaker 2>at a rapid speed, and it started getting darker and darker,
<v Speaker 2>and then I realized, oh my god, I'm going to hell.
<v Speaker 2>And I started making a swimming motion, you know, in
<v Speaker 2>the air, out of desperation. And then the next thing
<v Speaker 2>I know, I could feel my hands hitting the ground
<v Speaker 2>and I woke up out of it, and it just
<v Speaker 2>scared the hell out of me. And then another time,
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting on my couch babysitting my daughter. She
<v Speaker 2>was two at the time, and again my spirit left
<v Speaker 2>my body and I was standing in front of Jesus
<v Speaker 2>Christ and he was Oh god, he must have been
<v Speaker 2>like fifty foot tall. I'm not kidding, and it's hard
<v Speaker 2>to describe him. It was like almost like the sun
<v Speaker 2>whenever the clouds cover it. That was like the face
<v Speaker 2>and I could see like a miss a white outline,
<v Speaker 2>but three things automatically entered my mind. I had knowledge,
<v Speaker 2>and the first thing was, this is Jesus Christ. He
<v Speaker 2>made everything that there is the world, you know everything,
<v Speaker 2>and that he is the highest authority that there is.
<v Speaker 2>Then the next thing I know is if I had
<v Speaker 2>done a left face and he was standing next to me,
<v Speaker 2>but this time he was I'm six' one, so he
<v Speaker 2>was probably about six', five AND i was standing on his,
<v Speaker 2>left And i'm looking at the ocean on the, beach
<v Speaker 2>and THEN i noticed there was a. Bay and then
<v Speaker 2>all of a, sudden my eyes telescoped and there was
<v Speaker 2>a drop that formed and it fell down in the,
<v Speaker 2>ocean AND i could see the. Ripples and then the
<v Speaker 2>next THING i, know he, said this is but one
<v Speaker 2>drop and an ocean of love THAT i. Have and
<v Speaker 2>then the next THING i, know we were both still in,
<v Speaker 2>spirit But i'm on the corner of my living, room
<v Speaker 2>up about a foot away from the ceiling in the,
<v Speaker 2>corner and he, said your reason for life is my.
<v Speaker 2>DAUGHTER i won't give her, name and and that was that.
<v Speaker 2>Experience you, KNOW i know it sounds, crazy but it really.
<v Speaker 1>Happened, well, yeah that's. Incredible i've spoken with many people
<v Speaker 1>who have Encountered jesus and they've had near death, Experiences
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like your daughter has a special purpose
<v Speaker 1>on this. Planet obviously everyone, does but he wanted to
<v Speaker 1>make that, Known like your daughter definitely has a purpose
<v Speaker 1>in her life and a big mission For god, purpose
<v Speaker 1>like for a.
<v Speaker 2>REASON i, mean that's that is exactly WHAT i. Thought you,
<v Speaker 2>know she's there's a special, reason and it just motivated
<v Speaker 2>me to be the best FATHER i could be to.
<v Speaker 1>Her oh, yeah, Yeah and a lot of stories in
<v Speaker 1>The bible are stories about people that have a specific,
<v Speaker 1>purpose Like King david and Like mary And jesus came
<v Speaker 1>from his, bloodline like, THEY i mean from the, beginning
<v Speaker 1>even Through abraham and all his, descendants like all those
<v Speaker 1>descendants were leading towards the birth Of. Jesus and.
<v Speaker 2>That's a good. Point that is a good point to think.
<v Speaker 1>About, yes maybe you need to do like an ancestry
<v Speaker 1>test to see like if your bloodline traces back to
<v Speaker 1>like those areas and in the world back in the.
<v Speaker 1>DAY i, mean it'd be hard to, know but you never.
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i took A dna. Test i'm Mostly, irish.
<v Speaker 1>But, yeah, yeah you never. Know we're all. Connected in some,
<v Speaker 1>way shape or, form and it's it's scary that you
<v Speaker 1>were falling through that that tunnel and you thought you
<v Speaker 1>were going to hell.
<v Speaker 2>And, Yeah tony other, time, Sorry, miguel that was the
<v Speaker 2>scariest moment in my. Life my. Life i've been in,
<v Speaker 2>combat but that was nothing compared to the feeling THAT
<v Speaker 2>i had the. Desperation you. Know it set me on
<v Speaker 2>the right.
<v Speaker 1>Path, Yeah and you've had all these experiences for a,
<v Speaker 1>reason And i'm sure one day it will all it'll
<v Speaker 1>all be clear to. You And i've had similar, experiences
<v Speaker 1>So i'm wondering, myself, like why DID i see this cryptive?
<v Speaker 1>Creature what's the purpose of these strange lights out in
<v Speaker 1>the sky and these dreams and shadow people and? Everything?
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i like. That, Yeah so you've had a lot
<v Speaker 2>of experiences and it sounds like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for, sure and maybe that's why the shadow people
<v Speaker 1>are showing, up like they know you have a purpose
<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to knock you. Off, course.
<v Speaker 2>You, know that's a very good. Point it's a very good.
<v Speaker 2>Point they're going to derail, you, yes, yes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah because like if you're at your lowest and you're
<v Speaker 1>encountering these, things it's hard to like fully be there
<v Speaker 1>for your family or like your, daughter if she's got
<v Speaker 1>this special purpose like, you're you're stuck in bed and
<v Speaker 1>can't do much for other, people so it's almost like
<v Speaker 1>they try to derail.
<v Speaker 2>You, YES i agree with. You, yeah especially if you're
<v Speaker 2>chosen By, god you, know AND i FEEL i am you.
<v Speaker 1>Know oh yeah, Absolutely. Yeah WELL i appreciate you for
<v Speaker 1>sharing that with, me and it gives me a, BETTER
<v Speaker 1>i don't, know clearer picture as to what you've actually
<v Speaker 1>experienced throughout your. Life and, yeah Sometimes god reveals mysteries to.
<v Speaker 1>Us there's also spiritual, warfare and, YEAH i don't. KNOW
<v Speaker 1>i don't feel like things are just a coincidence or
<v Speaker 1>they just happen by, chance like there's definitely a purpose
<v Speaker 1>behind it.
<v Speaker 2>ALL i have to agree with you one hundred percent on. That, yes,
<v Speaker 2>yeah nothing's. RANDOM i don't.
<v Speaker 1>Think, yeah it feels like it though in the.
<v Speaker 2>Moment, yeah, yeah, Definitely BUT i feel that it's an
<v Speaker 2>enriched my life. Overall it's given me much better perspective
<v Speaker 2>on the.
<v Speaker 1>World, yeah for, sure you, know there's more out there
<v Speaker 1>than what we're being. Told and, YES i, mean if
<v Speaker 1>you don't have these experiences and you don't have strong.
<v Speaker 1>Faith when you read The, bible you're, like that just
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any. Sense but when you have experiences like,
<v Speaker 1>this it's, like, yeah maybe they did put two of
<v Speaker 1>every animal in a.
<v Speaker 2>Boat well you, know there you. Go but, YEAH i,
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i got to agree with you on.
<v Speaker 1>That yeah, yeah, Yeah, Okay, Well, Wayne i'm gonna let you,
<v Speaker 1>go AND i appreciate you for being so open with
<v Speaker 1>me and sharing your.
<v Speaker 2>Experiences, again thanks for making it so easy and for
<v Speaker 2>being so. KIND i appreciate. You.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Absolutely and in the, future if you run into
<v Speaker 1>more cryptive creatures or anything that you feel like adds
<v Speaker 1>a piece to the giant, puzzle then feel free to contact.
<v Speaker 2>Me i'll let you know.
<v Speaker 1>First, okay that sounds, Good and, yeah you take care of.
<v Speaker 1>Yourself AND i appreciate.
<v Speaker 2>Everything, HEY i appreciate. It and, hey IF i made
<v Speaker 2>comments on or talk to you on The, facebook it's not,
<v Speaker 2>weird is. It, No, no you're good and, okay, YEAH
<v Speaker 2>i don't want to seem, like you, know Like i'm
<v Speaker 2>weird in.
<v Speaker 1>It, no reach, OUT i, mean even if you have any,
<v Speaker 1>questions definitely reach.
<v Speaker 2>Out cool, Cool, Well MIGUEL i appreciate, It, bud you're
<v Speaker 2>a nice.
<v Speaker 1>GUY i appreciate. It and, yeah thank you for being. Kind,
<v Speaker 1>WELL i thank.
<v Speaker 2>Hey you, know last NIGHT i was listening real quick
<v Speaker 2>the one you had where the guy was hunting In
<v Speaker 2>massachusetts and with the hand signs and all. That that was. Fascinating,
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i thought so.
<v Speaker 1>Too he seemed to be very on. Point legit didn't sound,
<v Speaker 1>fabricated and it almost made you feel like you're right
<v Speaker 1>there with. Him you can like picture what the sasquatch was.
<v Speaker 2>Doing, yeah, yeah and it was. DIFFERENT i like, that you,
<v Speaker 2>Know and, yeah so, well Thanks. MIGUEL i appreciate. It.
<v Speaker 1>Man, yeah thank.
<v Speaker 2>You.
<v Speaker 1>Man you have yourself an excellent day and keep enjoying,
<v Speaker 1>nature my. Friend thank you for listening to this episode
<v Speaker 1>Of Sasquatch. Theory wayne's experiences raise powerful questions about what
<v Speaker 1>may be living in our forest and how often we
<v Speaker 1>may be observed without ever realizing. It these encounters really
<v Speaker 1>reminded me of my very own experiences here in the
<v Speaker 1>state Of. Missouri how the creature just walked off and
<v Speaker 1>didn't really seem to mind That wayne was in the.
<v Speaker 1>Area the creature had a conical shaped, head and just
<v Speaker 1>how long the experience. Lasted it was only thirty, seconds
<v Speaker 1>but it felt like a lifetime For, wayne AND i
<v Speaker 1>could really relate to his, experiences AND i could tell
<v Speaker 1>that this was a genuine encounter and he really experienced
<v Speaker 1>what he described to all of. Us if you've had
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot encounter or something you can't explain and you'd
<v Speaker 1>like to share your, story you can reach out to
<v Speaker 1>me directly At Sasquatch theory at outla dot. Com all
<v Speaker 1>these stories are handled with respect and. Confidentiality until the next,
<v Speaker 1>Time stay, safe stay, aware and remember the woods are
<v Speaker 1>never as empty as they. Seem