Michael Irvin's Hilarious NFL Stories, Wild $100M Lawsuit Story & The GOAT of Football

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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Day two from the Pump Galler twenty twenty five. Just had a great sit down with Daryl Strawberry, and this next one's gonna be just as good. I know, my guy, five time Pro bowler, three time Super Bowl champ, over eleven thousand yards. We all know Jack is a huge Cowboys fan, Texas baby, and they haven't been good since. Our next guest play welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, man. You know what, we still got more super Bowls in there. We still we still That's what you see.

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Speaker 3: That's what you gotta be careful about as a Cowboy fan because we're coming here.

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Speaker 2: History.

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Speaker 3: History is history, but people want to take you to that selective history. It's their history. They only want to go those thirty years back. Well, y'all, they did nothing that thirty years, but we stacked five forget about that.

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Speaker 2: Want to remember the last thirty y'all. You're right, you're right, you're right. You'll get the wordplay. We stacked five of y'all. Yeah, So so come on with all that, you know what, don't tell your story, tell this story.

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Speaker 3: That's why they call it his story, not your story.

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Speaker 2: His story. Tell the whole story.

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Speaker 4: I'm always fucking too. I'm a Niner fan, so I'll be on.

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Speaker 2: Jack them some good battles.

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Speaker 4: The NIS Championship Games legendary.

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Speaker 1: Going back to twenty two year old Michael Irving, what's one piece of advice you would have gave him?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, it's so many things. I want to tell that knucklehead. And a lot of my money, man, a lot of my money spent on that jury. Could have left that somewhere and let that just grow. You know, you were gonna get them girls anywhere. They need that, you know what I mean. But we think we need that at the time. But I can, I can explain that and then blame that because you know, when you had nothing and you finally got something, you wanted to know to the world, look at me, I got something, and so so that was all part of it.

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Speaker 3: But the whole thing is, honestly the ride, the whole journey. You know, you enjoy the peaks and door the valleys. But boy, I just told till twenty two Michael Irvin, But you got a ride.

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Speaker 2: In front to be ready fast see the hell of a ride. It has been a hell of a ride. Went traded in absolutely, you know what I'm saying. For nothing.

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Speaker 1: You were a victim of an unfortunate situation at a hotel.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you decided to sue.

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Speaker 1: Can you break that down and kind of tell us without for those who don't know what is about in work, kind of.

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Speaker 3: Stays Okay, let me tell you what happened with this. This was This was a couple of years ago to Super Bowl right now. I just swasted my mother in law and I remember coming in. I had to go to work. I was working the next morning, so I had to get up, like eight nine o'clock. So I got I came in the hotel about ten thirty. I'm being a good dude's early.

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Speaker 2: I went out.

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Speaker 3: I went out early because my boy picked me up and we went out and got something neat. So I had some drinks. But I know, I said, I'm coming back home. So I come to the hotel. It's true too, so I said, okay, I'm headed in. I see some guys at the bar right They called me over. They said, man, Michael Man, Eagles fans. They were talking football stuff and we're messing around. They offered me a drink. I said no, I'm good. I gotta work in the morning, so so I left me. I was getting ready to leave, but I saw one dude that had a camera right, and I knew he wanted a picture, and I didn't I he didn't ask. So when I walked away, I got convicted. I said, brother, I said that was cool. Come on, let's walk outside and let's take a pic. So me and these three dudes walked outside. We taking a picture. We clown in around talking about Patrick Mahomes. And I walked back and I said, all right, I got to get them. Going to the room, I walk in, I meet a woman, this girl, I don't remember her. We shake her hands. I don't remember what I said to her, and I go to the room.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Next day, I wake up, do all my shows. After the shows, I come back, I'm trying to take a nap, and they called me to the room.

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Speaker 3: Who took the security NFL in the hotel security? And I'm saying, call me for what you know, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? They didn't tell me for a while, Michael, we have a situation. I'm like, what situation? Right? I know, ain't nobody get to my room? Last night. You know what I'm saying, be cause but now.

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Speaker 3: IVER been hit enough that I know if you can't get if you don't get to the room, I'm good. You know what I mean. Don't get into the room. Most dudes go out trying to look for something. I'm like, I just got to get home alone, to the room. Nothing going. I'll be good. But but yeah, I'm thinking, like, what happened? What are you talking about? We had a situation. I said, what situation? I said, don I said what the girl said?

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Speaker 2: What girl? Wasn't no girl my room. That's the first thing I said. I ain't mean nobody anybody in my room. They said, you didn't meet any girl last night. I said, no, I didn't meet anybody. I don't know anything. I walked, I came in home. I came home early because I had to work. I went to my room. That's how it all happened.

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Speaker 3: And then they wouldn't even tell me. They wouldn't even show me. I said, show me the tape, show me what they would.

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Speaker 2: I had to sue the hotel, and then after the judge they told him you gotta show him the tape. They still wouldn't turn it over.

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Speaker 3: I had to print it again, but the tape showed that I met some I met this girl in the hall and we had a conversation.

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Speaker 2: And I left. Now what saved me?

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Speaker 3: What saved me? Dog, I'm telling you what saved me was those three dudes that I went and took the pick with. Because they woke up the next morning and saw all the news and they were like, that didn't happen. What the hell they said that that didn't happen. Why would they do that?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. For the first few days, I was at a hotel, but I couldn't go to anymore Marriott's, so I was at some little dump hotel. They told me them in the NFS, Michael, you can go home. I said, wait, an, let me get this right. So I'm telling you I didn't do anything last night. You're telling me I did do something last night. Now you're telling me to go home. So I'm telling you I must be crazy, and you sending me home to my family. So I couldn't go home, so I stayed in a hotel, got my age and some people to watch me, cause I'm like, am I doing something.

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Speaker 2: That I don't even know what was?

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Speaker 4: Being alleged.

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Speaker 3: I don't know she said something. The girl said for for a while, I don't even know what she said. Then it all came out that she said. I said something like, have you ever been with a black man? Would you like to be with a black man? That's what this was about. That's a crime.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's crime, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Depending on when your skin color the state, Yeah, no, I ain't got nothing to do with the state.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think why would I say that. I don't think I said that. Let me tell you. I said. I don't think I said that. Now, I don't. I I was drinking. Admit I was drinking because I'm not I'm not a loser. I'm not a quitter.

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Speaker 3: If I mean, if I'm that deep in a conversation, I'm not gonna turn and walk away.

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Speaker 2: Jump. But I don't lose like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I I'm gonna convince her confusion, but we're gonna walk away today.

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Speaker 2: Come right. If that's if that's what I was after, And that's why I know I turned and walked off when I saw the video and said, no, I walked off too easy. Yeah, I know, Mike, I know, I know, you know what I mean. No, you're he you ain't shoot. You have saw me hold the head and ground and it's like, come on, yeah, you'd had something, but you'.

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Speaker 3: The known I was, but I was like, no, I ain't say that. I walked off to it. And and that was the whole thing. Now what we think because we finally got the tape, and you'll see in the tape was the manager dude when they were not supposed to engage with us in the hotel, and you can see in the tape the manager he was yelling at her and went in the back yelled at her.

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe they had something going.

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Speaker 4: Did she work for the hotel?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she worked for the hotel.

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Speaker 4: Glad you got through that man.

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Speaker 2: Me and you you.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that I and the sky didn't tell no lie, you know what I mean, because I've already been you guys know, I've been accused of I mean, I wouldn't even there. I've been accused of some things that I haven't even been there, you know, so so and in our world, nobody waits to find out the truth. Nobody cares about that. It's just the allegation. So yeah, I'm scared.

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Speaker 4: The headline. The lives of the headline.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to our family and Netflix the Cowboys doc.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen it? Yes, yes, yeah, what can you say? They kind of said giving it away. Well, they sent to me early because they knew, you know, they said, we're gonna see at you.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, ship, I mean, you know, damn again. Right, it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: We get the premiere the other day, right, and he and I and Jerry and we all did the premiere and we were laughing, and I said, you know, I understand Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Got final cut. You and Troy so straight laced. That's just what it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be the bad boy in this, right And he said, well.

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Speaker 2: It kind of was the bad boy.

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I guess it's right. It says kind of fitty, you know, but yeah, I saw the thought. I think it's fascinating. I think about the journey. It's all about the journey and what made our journey together. When you talk about me and Troy Dion, you know, and Jerry, all of that was like how it all came, how it all came about, you know, Emmitt and Dion and I.

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Speaker 2: We played against.

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Speaker 3: Each other on the top three teams in Florida, Florida State, Florida, in Miami, you know, and we became boys probably to all of this. So so to get together and then play together and still be boys to this day, you know what I mean. That's that's what I think this whole documentary about. Like we started off too, we went three and thirteen and one in fifteen. We didn't just start on a great team, you know, and then we built it into something great.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing like winning that first Super Bowl, man, and.

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Speaker 2: After after you know, after going through.

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Speaker 3: Those early years losing like that, and then sitting in that locker room, like, dude, we actually did this, man, oh my god, like you know, and you talking about it taking down the forty nine ers who had been who had took that thing from Dallas, you know, so we had to go take that damn back, you know, on my watch, so that was, yeah, we would have got it back. That thing was Yeah, it was incredible. It was an incredible thing. And I think that's that's what the documentary catch. You know what thing I tell you what surprised me a great deal to that I think people find very fascinating is the Jerry Jones story. When you hear about some of the things that Jerry did. I mean even in college, prior to really owning a football team, a sports team, an NFL team, because he always wanted to own an NFL team, and how he thought about the business. I don't want to give it away, but if I find that to be fascinating, you know what I mean. I find it be fascinating how his dad told him about marketing, and his dad had a grocery store. I'll tell you this, if dad had a grocery store and he would do concerts in the middle of a grocery store, So you know, you go, yeah, in marketing, you and he said that you're doing all this to sell lettuce.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But if you come in that town and you see this, and you and you walk away, no matter what time you go to, you said, man, will it this grocery store.

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Speaker 2: Had a rock band in the middle of it. You know it's it really is marketing, And it was just fascinating. I think you got yeah.

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Speaker 5: Jerry and Parsons are heavy in the news right now. Parsis claiming that Jerry is disrespecting what he is. We know how Jerry moved man. You know, we need to figure out how we're gonna fix this.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 3: Yes, especially Michael I was. I was disappointed about this one. I knew the game would be played when you talk about DAK and CD and all of that, but Michael, I thought you should have made kind of like what your generational player, like like statement with right right right, like what what Kansas City did with Pat Mahomes. You know, they went and said when the average was about fifty million a year, forty five million a year at the time, they said, let's give him five hundred million, you know, ten years. I say, if a statement, right, right, right, you make a statement. But what they also do they can tinker with that. They go back into it, you know, and every time the money gets up, they go back into it and and and give him some more money. Patrick Mahomes, And that's what I wanted him to do with Michael. I know, they should have given him one of those ten years for four hundred and fifty million dollars deal. You know, it's forty five you know, making the highest paid AP on average and and still be able to tinkle with them and go back into that money and mess around to bring in other players.

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Speaker 2: He is that generation to he's that.

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Speaker 3: Generational talent, and he he lost the Cowboys. I see this because when I was when I was working, I was working his draft. Dude, I was interviewing players, man, and I didn't even know who the joker was. The joke came to mean, I'm gonna do this, so I'm gonna be what you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what you do.

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Speaker 3: That means, I say, when we've had a time to have a conversation, he was like, I said, what do you mean? He said, Man, I'm play when from Super Bowls and I'm gonna be doing broadcasting. So I love that he's following that path. But he wants to be a cowboy. He never bought. He's always said he wanted to be a cowboy. I think you know, listen, our game, what we do is different than what most people do. See most people to get to the top of that game, they'll punch of computer, so so they got to top it off their skill. As long as they're improving their skill, they can get places. But our game is different. Since his hand in hand, the man the man come back. We got to improve our skill, but deepen our wills since I'm going against another grown man and his will to want to be a cowboy and always stated that you want that in the locker room. I want to see what a happy Michael Parsons look like without DeMarcus Lawrence on the other side, because you can't tell me that they didn't have problems in their locker room with this fact that they had Marcus Lawrence left that that that was in the locker room, and football is a different game. I need everybody to play together, so I know there was a division there and I want to see what. I want to see what this defense looked like without the vision and Jerry has caused it with the Michael Parson thing and then and finding Trayvon Diggs. Half now you see those two are working together and and and yeah, that bothers me, that worries me.

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Speaker 5: That can't let him go while he is prime. Let's talk about your door, how you feel about what you're doing doing.

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Speaker 3: And man, I was so happy for your door. I was just you know, I was I was thrilled because I thought I thought that was that was devastating. What happened that at the drive dude. And then when I interviewed theon the other day, I'm gonna tell you something that was that was the most difficult thing for me, because you know, I love him, He's my boy. We're so close, all of us are so close. And and I knew that he had cancer because he called me right away and brought me up told me.

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Speaker 2: And I really.

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Speaker 3: It was a burden, I mean because I didn't want anybody to find out. I knew he had only told me somebody to find out. I don't want him to think I violated it anyway. I would never do that.

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Speaker 2: And I and so I didn't go into details when he told me, like what happened? How you know? When did you find out all of those things?

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Speaker 3: And then he said, come on with you do an interview, and I came over and we were doing the interview and I was finding out things like dude, dude almost broke down when I heard he had cancer during the drivet do you all understand that he had cancer? And then his son drops like that. You know, I'll get emotional tall, but but to think about you, you worked all your life for this moment, and your your dad. You know you're to have it with your dad. You worked all this hard, you worked hard with your son side by side for this moment, and in this moment, you got cancer. Now you you think you're dying and not telling anybody. So at least if I can have this moment, if I'm going to go, then I'm good with that, you know what I mean. And then and then your son drops and you still that was man, That was That was hard for me to hear that my guy went through that and to be right there because I didn't know the details of it, and it was It's even hard for me to think about it and talk about it because I know what it means. But then to see how she do is handling. You know, you cannot handle it better. And when you get a mess like that like he did, you turn it into a message that that's what makes him him, you know, and that's what makes him great. I tell people. You hear him talk about it all the time. He's on Instagram on all the social media. It's all inspiration, motivation, that's what he gives. And you you heard the talk God displayed his walk. You know, he gave you evidence that he believes what he's saying, because he has to walk it out. That that was, Yeah, that was. That was tough for me to watch him go through it. But I'm so happy with how it has come out and how she do what is playing, you know what I mean. So so yeah, all that thing that never meant for either, God made it good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we don't have the relationship you and Dionna have. But he you know, he reached out to us too, and it was tough for us to even here, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But he built for whatever. Yeah, he built for whatever. Yeah, he's built for He's built for it.

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Speaker 3: And his messages right though, Dude, we do, specially us as black men, need to go get checked more and check up on things because you know, like like even you got the money, be like, man, I ain't going doc gonna tell me the same thing. You know, I gotta go pay for all that stuff. That's what That's what you know, brothers do well until we got about to break.

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Speaker 2: Down and fall over.

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Speaker 3: Then we're gonna run to a doctor and try to fix up. But I never got I never got bad with it. I'm talking about anything. I ain't finished out with all this money in the bank. Anything boy got. I was chewing some the other day. Something hurt. Where do you think that was?

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Speaker 2: A doctor? I call that joke at a minute, while he's staying y'all, but.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I will figure out what the hell is going on, man. So so yeah, we got to get better at all of that.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, fifteen or seventeen children to Walton Pearl, Irvin.

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Speaker 2: What was it like being in that household Florida? Man? A lot of it. Yeah, And I got my family hard, man, it's one of the real real How many girls, how many boys? We got? Ninety eight night?

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Speaker 3: Okay, nine and eight and you all think about now little squabble on both right right right in our own. I still have the house that we grew up in, this little tiny house man, in full lad, I still have the house.

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Speaker 2: My sister's in it.

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Speaker 3: Like, since I got so many brothers and sisters, some of my nieces and nephews and my brothers and sisters not doing well, I'll bring in and they live and stay in that house.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I sit them to school and they do great, they're doing it. They get back on their feet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, to help them get started, because my sisters and brothers may not be any good places, but I got to help them. I tell my older sister, even my kids now, because they're old, I said, you do know, anytime I spend money on you, it is spending. But my grand baby, I said, well, I spending on them. That's investing. That's investing. You know what I'm saying. There is the difference. But but yeah, listen, I wouldn't trade anything for how I grew up. We didn't have anything, and I was the fifteenth so I'm one of the younger guys, one of the younger ones. And I got my butt whipped a lot. You know, that's just what it is. You got your butt whooped a lot, you know. But but yeah, man, it all worked out, growing up with its many family members.

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Speaker 2: I grow up.

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Speaker 3: I remember my sister she bought a pair of cat I remember what cat here shoes used to look like. I played basketball cat Head dollar ninety nine from Kmart. You be sliding all over the floor. They looked like Nike, but the Swiss was upside down. They wasn't really Nike. They were upside down Swish. They call them cat Head.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: My sister used to buy me and she bought me a pair of those when I was in the ninth grade. And then when I got drafted, she said, well, you remember you remember some caddy I need some need a house.

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Speaker 2: I was like, how did those cat head shoes turn into a house? I went to the interest, but I did get her out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's doube. I'd love to hear that interest.

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Speaker 5: Once she was asked, how are you willing to go through the middle, you said, Michael, either I go run that slant.

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Speaker 2: I'm back in the ghetto, back there together.

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Speaker 3: That's why I tell me, if you get afraid, that that's how you beat fear.

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Speaker 2: Because you hear people say, Michael, you were fearless, nigga, No I'm not. I'm human.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Fear is real. Courage doesn't say I did not have fear. Courage says I have an ability to overcome this. You see what I mean? So I was telling people, how do you overcome that fear? So so every time I lined up and run that slap ud, I get ready and and everybody knows once Mike, he's come, slint right Mike on.

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Speaker 2: The slants, running a lot right there, I'm not scared you ain't scared. That's right. A lot nigga. That joker right there, that's the nigga that went over to somebody's sit.

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Speaker 4: Cut my finger off.

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Speaker 2: Cut my finger off, so I hear somebody some more. Wait a minute, wait a minute, joke. I want to cut his finger off to come hit somebody again. I'm scared of him. You're crazy, Yeah, yeah, cut his finger. Also he get back in the game. What and I gotta run a slant route, yes, yeah, and he went taking there. He had a joke of yes, that's what I'm telling you, and he want to hit me. I'm scared. I'm scared.

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Speaker 3: I'm scared man, Yeah, and I gotta put it up against a greater fear.

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Speaker 2: That's where little Michael comes in. When I line up trustes two two sixty two, because that's the check for the slat rider said, damn, here it comes, God, damn old finger. Cuddle right now. You hit me in the head, right right. So so then little Michael comes in. Michael, I know you're scared, but you're either running that slanter we run back to the ghetto. Kiss my hand here, I run that slanterer bus his ad.

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Speaker 3: I ain't going back to the ghetto. Bro, I ain't going back. You know, you gotta put it up against a greater fear. But you definitely be afraid.

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Speaker 2: And it's human nature. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: You gotta take it to the next level and try to tell some guys in the men in the game. There's a natural tendency of your body when you're when you're around pressure to tighten up. Like if I strike my hand towards your face, You're going to bleink. Even if you say I'm not going to blink that your body has a natural tendency. So I run a slant route right and and my body the way you catch a football, you gotta gotta have that give.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have that gift right here to catch it. So I tell people, They said, Michael, can you ever catch on your body or well catch a pass in your body? I say, yes, you do well. They said you should always catch you your heads. I said, whoever wrote it never did it. You see what I'm saying. You gotta any way you can right and you catch it the best way you can miss pressure.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm running a slant route and I know these people around me, and they know I'm running a slant route, and I got pressure on my body's gonna tighten up, just like when it's a natural you want to tighten up. If I tense up, that ball hits and fall. Or if I tense up I don't close my hand, that ball goes through my hand. Now he still made well when I was playing, he's still hit me. Not that niggas got a free hit. I'm still gonna hit men. But now me, I said, when I run this, I run it, and I understand this is third down.

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Speaker 2: This is third down. I gotta catch this to get two.

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Speaker 3: More down, and I gotta get the mud down so I can go get take it my money from there. So right, so so the third out. So I'm gonna make sure I catch this. I can't do this ball goes through because I'm tense in everybody.

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Speaker 2: So I said I would catch it here. In fact, I catch it here. Even if you hit me and knocked me out on the way to them carrying me the sideline. I'm gonna stick the hand out of the first down and they gonna take me to the sideline. What I'm saying, because I'm gonna catch the ball, I'm saying dwell. Don't come from up under the sheet. Wheel me out, man. So yeah, I'm gonna get that first down. That's why they called him to play. Yeah, you a notarist for your hard work. Used to run rouse toll you puked?

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Speaker 5: Is that the same mentality that you like, you say not going back to the Ghetto'm gonna work my ass.

00:26:11
Speaker 2: I'll make sure I'm strong by the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: That was my victory. Now think about this, and I was so happy. Eric Allen just got in into the Hall of Fame because I used to tell people I had to go through gold jack I went through gold jackets a lot of my gold ring. That means I played one on one all the way around the for Dion sharing this, Dalel Green, Rod Woodson, a Nias, William Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson and now Eric Allen.

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Speaker 2: These are the dude that followed me all.

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Speaker 3: Around on the football everywhere. When I went to the bathroom, we were right there taking You're gonna get back.

00:26:50
Speaker 2: In this game. Let's fix this up. Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. These jokers, now you know they those were real. Those were real dude right there. I just mentioned real dude. So I take pridy man. You know what's so funny, dude, all of them, all of them, we're the best of friends now and they're crazy. How that works out?

00:27:12
Speaker 2: Dyl Green. I'll go speak with him at an event that he'll do. You know, Derek does these church events. I love him, and then I gotta come speak. I'll be like, damn, darl d these perfect dudes. Man, when I'm sitting here talk with deon standard Daryl Green. So I have to come up with stuff. I say, you know, come some bullshit. Yeah, God, God, God, God, God loves all his kids. And I say, hey, if you can and I couldn't, if you could do it right, do it like them going because they perfect. They ain't never, they ain't never drink, smoke too, don't even hang around anybody that dude. But I did you see what I'm saying.

00:27:54
Speaker 3: So I say, do it right, if you could do it like them, But just if you make a few mistakes like me, He'll still be there for you.

00:28:02
Speaker 2: You see what I mean.

00:28:02
Speaker 3: I'm trying to incorporate all my bad with all that goodness and make him work for the good or the people that were speaking to it. That's how you have to take that?

00:28:12
Speaker 2: Remember timcar Oh yeah, I remember, tell if till my boy, my boy, man, tell Tim played with right, right right? Tim played with.

00:28:21
Speaker 3: Dion and and oh my god, with Dion, and we got Alexander Wright. This dude, fastest dude in the world run a four one nine squat five hundred pounds.

00:28:30
Speaker 2: You know.

00:28:31
Speaker 3: And I said, oh my god, it got something. We were playing Atlanta and and and we he's so fast. Dion had to go to him, and we just kept running them deep, running them deep, and and and Deon was just running with him. And I was over there with Tim MCA and he were just running him deep. I said, Tim, we got d On off Methadon was running back.

00:28:59
Speaker 2: Over there to me, y'all playing this ain't no track me. Y'all ain't gonna even throw that joke of the ball listen.

00:29:04
Speaker 3: I said, I wasn't had like ten or twelve back catches on, Tim Man, I was killing him, man, Yeah, yeah, till my boy too many.

00:29:13
Speaker 2: How did y'all get Dian to defect then come on over to Dallas after the frisk? Go right?

00:29:18
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, that was me. I recruited DM. I called him Jerry talked to me about it, Jay, because Jerry asked us. He asked me about it. He said, we have a chance maybe to get Dion Sandy's. He brought me in the office. I said what he said? He said, yeah, he said, I'm been telling his people. I said, all right, you told these people. I'm I'm gonna talk to him. I'm gonna call him right right right. So I called him, and and you know he had he he was talking about it.

00:29:44
Speaker 2: I said, man, listen, he said, man, Man, Sam friends booming over here. Man.

00:29:48
Speaker 3: And I knew it was for him because he had left Atlanta, you know, Atlanta going to San Francisco. Yeah, that was big. I said, Now that jump you made my verbatim work. Was that jump you made when you saw Atlanta to San Francisco? I said, whatever, that jump was multiplied by team.

00:30:06
Speaker 2: When you come to the Colvin, they's gonna be a whole different thing.

00:30:09
Speaker 3: He said, really do. I said, no doubt. Man, we ain't got to keep beating up on each other. Let's go beat these other.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: Right right right there. So so so I told him, I said, I said, hey, listen, I told you I'm gonna set something up for you when you come on in, you come in town and set some up. I gotta set this thing up at the club called Guingamarage helped me get Dion here. We brought them all, like all of them weary.

00:30:36
Speaker 5: That was who we buddy. You can because Max talk about it too. Max said, it's a whole Max Burna. Maxwell say, it's a whole bunch of y'all that came up around the area, were coming up. That's play professional sports. It's a whole Florida ball players, baseball players, basketball.

00:30:53
Speaker 3: Florida come up in that era around the same time. Yeah, it was a whole bunch of y'all and all from Florida, bad boy. And that's why when we go back to talking about like what what it was and playing with the Cowboys and playing with Dion and Emit and that man, it was that was everything because some reason, I don't know, we just thought down Florida didn't get what it deserved and and do there was a gust of players that came through Florida lately, and then you know that was that was that that just yeah, the terrorized terrorized.

00:31:24
Speaker 1: So before you gots before you stole DM from the forty nine ers, y'all got a legendary slap boxing incident mid game.

00:31:31
Speaker 3: No, that was that was Rising. Yeah, you know what, that was my fault.

00:31:36
Speaker 4: And that's right.

00:31:39
Speaker 3: Let me give you all that too, though, And that's why and and and okay, you know about the rising and they was boys too, right, right, and then and they went and they went south with each other. But but and then even when he went to San Francisco and they had gone they're going to super Bowl, him and Jerry got into something because Dion went out on the Monday or two, and I and everything. And see, I knew all about that, and so I was using all that in my recruiting tour.

00:32:05
Speaker 2: I said, listen, dude, I said, listen, man, you go out on Monday. I said what I said, I'm.

00:32:09
Speaker 4: Joking, I'm gonna go with.

00:32:11
Speaker 2: You Rising, right. That ain't Florida niggas. Yeah, I ain't Florida boys, said you and me, we definitely yeah, you should have been with the video. So come on, man, you know, we'll I said, we'll never you know, we will never have any issue because we boys.

00:32:32
Speaker 3: And we don't and and we're the best of friends. That's my boy, man, that's my boy. Yeah, that's how I got him over here. That's a bad joke. I was tired of that, joker man. Come on over here, let's play together. Let's start beating up on each other.

00:32:44
Speaker 1: But you eighty four to eighty seven national championships in eighty seven, three times All American UH.

00:32:49
Speaker 4: Eighty five and eighty six AC.

00:32:51
Speaker 1: I love the acc and touchdowns to school records with receptions, yards and TVs.

00:32:56
Speaker 2: That's what I put them on on the map. Now.

00:32:58
Speaker 3: I told y'all that On was a rookie at Florida State. Freshman in Florida State. He coming and I said, I got this joker man. It's all the hype we were early on in the Miami game. We're playing for it, I said. Told Venne said, i'mnna get him on the out and up testa Verdi. Yeah, I'm gonna get him on the out and up.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: I said.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: Trust he wants to jump this, he wants to intercept the ball. And I ran there out. It was beautiful too. I saw him run by and I said, got.

00:33:27
Speaker 2: You turned up my waiting he threw then it threw the ball. I'm looking at the ball, looking at dealer, I said, come on ball, Come on, come on ball.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: This joker ran down the ball, ran me in the ball down, push me down, jumped.

00:33:42
Speaker 2: Up with one hand, caught the ball and was running the other way. I was living down the college. This joker right with.

00:33:48
Speaker 3: My football the other way that they put that, they put that pick They put a pick up it on sports Hiller State. So I told him that was his coming out party. So he never beat me in college. He did have, you know, beat so it want some battles. He didn't win the war, but he did with it to a battlem.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: How did you land on number forty seven as a receiver? Making players? But number forty seven? That was wild man?

00:34:10
Speaker 3: Right right, dude, But listen, I ain't want that forty seven dogs point right, dude, I ain't want that.

00:34:16
Speaker 2: I don't want I heard forty seven? What man? Listen, let me tell you how Jimmy got me with this. They put a lineback and receiver. Man, Jimmy, I never thought about it like that.

00:34:27
Speaker 3: I don't come by it right, right, Jimmy, Because we had just lost Edie Brown and Stanley Shakespeare. And I remember, Jimmy, Jimmy said to me, because I went in I said, coach, I don't know about this number. Forty seven, man, I said, you know, it's just doesn't seem like a cool Nobody said, I want to know if I could switch it to seven? Right, yeah, I really, it's true story, I said, I want to know if I can switch it to seven.

00:34:49
Speaker 2: He said, Michael, let me tell you what I said. When I'm on that field and.

00:34:55
Speaker 6: He throw you that football, man, you come running down the field, you look like a seven for the seven lending in the zone. I swear said. I was like, really, he said yeah, I said, with some boards come landing in the end zone. Boy, I said, I love.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: To see that. I said, coach, really, okay okay, walked down like yeah, okay, that's dope. Man.

00:35:21
Speaker 3: I swear when we got to the Cowboys years later, we were having some drinks talking about the coach saying, I couldn't.

00:35:27
Speaker 2: Believe you wrote that story.

00:35:32
Speaker 4: I love it.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: But I made that forty seven stick though. What I made for they come from eight eight, you know, day Because when you come to Dallas, if if they wanted, if you're going to if they're considering you to be a great receiver, number one receiver, top receiver, they want to give you. They wanted to give you eight eight, you know, and I meant we drew about it. I really didn't even want I thought that was a hell of a bird.

00:35:58
Speaker 2: But Drew was so great and she was like, no, no, Michael, I want you to wear it.

00:36:03
Speaker 3: And and I said, I'm gonna just try to do what you did in this number, you know, and it was so prophetic and fitting. He said, no, no, don't do what I did. Do better, he said, do better. And we've always held on to that, you know, give it the dead you're dads and they see. But but but even the ways you can go about finding out if someone's worthy wearing it. So so if I'm in a room, say your dad's Brian, and and I'm in a room and we're talking about this young dude, young deads you maybe Jerry Jones, I'm sitting there talking to dead, Hey, you think you're prepared to wear this limb and.

00:36:44
Speaker 2: Do what you have to do? Dead, especially dude like there, because they like what people shit. We look UK people should because we were coming up here.

00:36:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we play a light, you know, because I was the dude then and he was mimicking all the man, Come on, man, I can wear that, can wear certain things people will do that will give them away. I wouldn't make sure all three of us is in the room and I'm looking at deads. Jerry's right here, I'm looking at dead. I can look at some dudes and I talked to some dudes, did this with some dudes. And now look at me. You know, Michael, I can do it. And then look at Jerry. I'm telling you all, I can do it. He's not the one. You're not the one. See if you look at the mission, not the money, you get it. You dad only looks at the mission. I could do it. Won't even look at the money. That tells you he wears. I you see what I'm saying. I need a man on the mission. The money will follow.

00:37:42
Speaker 1: The mission like that Uncle Luke and the two Live crew. Any any boat stories that you can share.

00:37:50
Speaker 2: Not noting that I'm sharing over not me.

00:37:54
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind sharing if y'all ain kissing me time no real killer, talk about Kille. You're talking about Tiller. I ain't no real killer. I love it, you know what I'm saying.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: So how how how inspirational was he around the program? What kind of do a mentor was he at that time?

00:38:20
Speaker 2: For you? Luke was a good dude.

00:38:21
Speaker 3: Because Luke, honestly, what you gotta remember that that was a while goo before guys making any kind of money in college and everything, and and and remember us coming through Miami and how that all came about. You know, that was how Snellenberger going into core Gables, Florida, University of Miami and saying, who had been losing forever, saying I can turn this program around if you let me go into the ghettos of Florida and bring those players out. So so you know that that that's what they did. They brought all us in. So Luke was one of the first brothers that really came around us with money and every thing and a lifestyle and showing us things.

00:39:03
Speaker 2: And he's always been great. You know, he's always been great helping.

00:39:06
Speaker 3: Us with business anything because he was doing it before all of us, you know what I mean, making sure that we stayed straight. So yeah, man, he's been he's been a great, a great resource for us.

00:39:17
Speaker 2: You skipped your senior year. It's nice.

00:39:20
Speaker 5: NFL Draft select eleven to the my Boys, the Cowboys. You finally made it getting mama the ghetto.

00:39:25
Speaker 2: How did that feel? That felt great?

00:39:27
Speaker 4: Now?

00:39:27
Speaker 2: You know, let's see this right now.

00:39:31
Speaker 3: Because I skipped my senior year, that means I back then, you I graduated early.

00:39:37
Speaker 2: Really yeah, well you couldn't. I couldn't.

00:39:39
Speaker 3: You couldn't go into the NFL when I came out unless you graduated.

00:39:43
Speaker 4: I didn't do that.

00:39:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's how Bernie Coles. I got him, Bernie Coles. I really graduated after the South sophomore year. And and and why I did it so I can control my draft.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: That's how you control the draft. So so so I.

00:39:57
Speaker 3: Don't know if you guys just saw Sterling and Shannon was on, and Sterling was telling Shannon that, oh no, no, Green Bay was trying to draft Michael Irvin with the seventh pick, and and and so since I was I graduated as a.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: Junior, could if you didn't want to go right, and they have to call me before you draft me. Now I'm the poet, broken, broke joker in the wall. You know I'm broke cause I don't know what I'm over here negotiating with the big boys like I new something, right, so he goes business was my degree is being o business management organization. So so so I figured, okay, I got it. I got it.

00:40:32
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I go play in New York la A Dallas. I ripped. My dad was a big cowboy fan and wanted to play in Dallas. So I wanted to control this and I needed to get out anyway, because all my brothers and sisters, you know, they were waiting on me anyway. They were like, we ain't got four years. You know, we get out here right now, ain't We can't. We can't hold this thing any wait. You know, you know, you know how it is. They all waity. So so I went to school and we don't need go home. I did all summer schools, stayed and graduated. We would get twenty five dollars a weekend, fifteen off the top head to go back home to mom. You know, so you had ten dollars every weekend. So yeah, I wasn't going to stay around long. So when you graduate early and skip, I graduated. When you graduate early and the team calls you like Green Bay called with the seventh pick, and there's somebody who would like to drift you.

00:41:27
Speaker 4: I was like, left to school.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: I'm a brother from.

00:41:32
Speaker 3: Florida, and I shouldn't be going to Green Bay, you see what I mean. And I just know temperature ain't right. I mean, weatherwise and brother wise, I ain't right, both sides right. So so no, my whole family started saying, no way, green Bay and then Dallas.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: Dallas didn't even call.

00:41:55
Speaker 3: They just drafted me, you know, And I knew they would because Jimmy, you, Jimmy had already told me he was coming. Jimmy told me. He said, listen, I know you graduated early. He said, Dallas is going to draft you. He says, none of those Shenanikans with Dallas. I said, no, Coach, I want to play for Dallas.

00:42:11
Speaker 2: I want to. He said, I'm just letting you know because I'm gonna I'll be joining you probably the next year.

00:42:17
Speaker 3: So he let me know that. He let me know, but I had. It's so funny, I had. North Turner was there that weekend. North Turner was the offensive receivers coach for the Rams. They wanted to draft me. I wanted to play in New York or l a who was the top.

00:42:32
Speaker 4: Truck for that time with the Rams, who was the quarterback with the Rams, who was the quarterack.

00:42:36
Speaker 3: Henry Ellert was the receiver. Who wasn't Jim Ever. I saw Jim wait. I saw him a couple of couple of years ago. Here Jim Ever see him and his wife because they do this, they do some things here in La.

00:42:48
Speaker 2: Now. He said, you blew my rings l A. Yeah, I would have. I know, by God is good. God knows we.

00:43:00
Speaker 3: Might not be ready for I tore up Dallas pretty good. I don't know that I need to. I don't know what i'd have made it out of La I made. I don't know if i'd have made it.

00:43:09
Speaker 2: It works out, it worked out perfectly. It worked out perfectly.

00:43:13
Speaker 5: The triplets ekmn you and MS Smith. What's your friendship like back then? And is it still the same today?

00:43:20
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:43:21
Speaker 3: It is absolutely still the same. And that's what's so great, man, I promise I'll tell you this. We never had an argument. We've never had a falling out, We've never had any kind of issue. I'm talking about even when we were playing, you know what I mean. It's just it's it's all been great. I don't know, it just we didn't start out doing this triplet thing, but somebody kind of tagged it.

00:43:45
Speaker 2: As we went along. But but yeah, it was what it was.

00:43:51
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you the one thing that made it so great once we got it rolling, you know, because we didn't have it rolling at first, and since we took so many whoopings at first, we used to come back and have those team meetings, you know, like, you know, lost five straight games and you want to have a team meeting, and stuff got to stop, and we're gonna make sure. Don't matter what plays they call, Joko, we're gonna win. And you still go get your head kicked in, you know what I mean. He was like, damn, damn, this is just different. This is different. But when we got it going, the standard was the standard, and we were able to keep it going. If anybody came around this team you didn practice like this, you got to go. It was like, hey, I don't need you can't be my friend. If you can't help me win, you got to go. That's just the bottom line. And that's how you kept it going. And to this day, think about it, to this day, so many of those guys, see all of those guys, we're still pretty successful. Is still moving, pretty successful, and we're still very close.

00:44:50
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't talk up again eight minutes perhaps when they talk about quarterbacks. But I say he was more of a football player than the quarterback.

00:44:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He was tough as nails. Tough dude.

00:45:01
Speaker 3: Troy got sacked eleven times in a game, eleven times in the NFL game. I mean you had Riggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons self join a bust in his butt, and he kept getting back, never got on his line, He just kept going.

00:45:22
Speaker 2: Man, he was tough as I don't know what. Man. Yeah, they don't give my quarterback near the type of credit that he deserves. But he's one of the greatest ever players.

00:45:32
Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson from my home time as well.

00:45:36
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, coach, So yeah, that's my dude though, cause Jimmy really Jimmy. When they gave him put him in the Ring of Honor, I was standing in the back of him. This is after he was getting his Hall of Fame ring and everything. I couldn't stop crying, man, I couldn't stop crying as I watched him, because you know, Howard recruited me. Howard Snellenberger recruited me and then Jimmy came in my first year and I had just lost my father. Coming out of high school, Dude, I was lost. I was rambunctious, marble. I wouldn't taking no nothing, no nothing. I told everybody in school, I'm coming to get somewhere, come playing around. So the first day they I'm getting the fights, you know, busting jokers in the head over at the lunch table. I had never seen the lunch table like that. And then these jokers messing with me, busting them in the head. I gotta go see coach, coaches like Michael, you know, we can't be fighting. We're not gonna be fighting teammates. We got a lot of people to fight. And then two days later and have broken another dude jaw.

00:46:35
Speaker 2: And a fight squint in the locker room, and your coaches like, listen, listen, trying not to I'm just trying to be patient with you here, you know, right right down right on them. So I was just thinking, like.

00:46:49
Speaker 3: Man, that joker should have sent me home, and he didn't, and if he had, we not we wouldn't have been here, you know. So so yeah, those times were man, because so coach Johnson's my guy, man, He was really patient with me. He really patient and got it right. Let me tell you what he do used to do, used to do because he knew all of us came from the ghetto. Every Thursday, I tell people this, Every Thursday night, Coach Johnson would make all of us they grew came from ghettos meat. He would always give us whoppers, a big Max or something, you know, give us some food. But we have to sit there and come up with plans. What are we planning on doing after football? And talk football in that room we did every Thursday. And I think back now and I look around, like the dudes that were in their room, and how many dudes.

00:47:34
Speaker 2: Are still successful? And I said, wow, I owe that to him.

00:47:38
Speaker 3: You know, because we were coming from places where you didn't see people plan those things.

00:47:43
Speaker 2: And he knew that. So yeah, he was good about that.

00:47:47
Speaker 4: Emma Smith, how special was that was different?

00:47:50
Speaker 2: That was special? But my first year comes in Dallas, I picked him up. He's my roommate. He has on these mc hammer type outfit with the weird man. You know.

00:48:01
Speaker 3: It just clicked on me the other day we're watching the pictures in the documentary. I was like, Oh, this joker came in with his mc hammer outfit.

00:48:10
Speaker 2: But now I dig it. I could get it now because he was saying, you can't touch this, and you couldn't touch that joke with him. It will be in a meeting sleep like I'm wake him up.

00:48:22
Speaker 3: He kept man with me and and him he'll show up Sunday rush for two hundred yards?

00:48:28
Speaker 2: Like how did this jogger rush for two hundred yard? He was sleep in the meetings right next week, that's y'all. Let him sleep.

00:48:36
Speaker 3: He gonna get the two hund don't worry and let him sleep. But yeah, he's a different dude. One of the greatest things though, you guys get it. We get to talk about like we got our own journeys. But I think one of the greatest things, like you can't tell Dion's story, you can't tell Troy's story. You can't tell him and story without one. You know, we got a chance to witness that journey. Em It said to me the first night, think about this, our first night for the first game we all played together and it was my room with roommates. I was like, all right, young buck, what you're playing on doing with you? What's your goals, because this is what coach always what's your goal? He said to me, Well, I'm gona becoming the old time leading rush you and we're gonna win the super Bowl.

00:49:16
Speaker 2: Dude, I had won four games in two years. Choke up four games, get some sleep. We're talking about tomorrow. I had won four games in two years, three and thirteen, one and fifty And here is Joker come in here talking about that stuff. And he did it. He did it.

00:49:36
Speaker 3: You know that that that story I'll hold on too. I watched him do it. I watched him every morning, Monday morning, go get his massage. Just you know I was still hungover. I ain't gonna get the massage. You see what I mean. He took care of his body, did all the little things to get that time in that I should have been doing. So So yeah, he earned that that I'm proud of.

00:49:59
Speaker 2: See.

00:49:59
Speaker 4: He played with ready to shoulder for a while too, didn't.

00:50:01
Speaker 3: We played in that game right. Let me tell you how that came about. Were because because he and I we always him twenty two, I was eight eight.

00:50:10
Speaker 2: We double trouble. Before we go on the football field, we always go hit our chest, hit our heart, double trouble.

00:50:17
Speaker 3: That means by land or by air, we're about to whoop y'all. Hands don't matter. If you want to stack the line of scrimmage and stop the run, stop the land, we're gonna we're gonna bomb you out. So if you want to back up and stop the pass, we're gonna run you out. Either way, we're gonna get right right pick your poison. So we would always do that prior to the game. So one time earlier, I had ribs cartless damage. We're playing Washington and Day all green, and the coverage was on me and he's like, Michael, I was like, you know, because you guys know the worst.

00:50:50
Speaker 4: Oh, it's the worst.

00:50:52
Speaker 3: You cannot breathe you anything feels like your ribs cr and way and hurt us.

00:50:59
Speaker 2: He said, mate, you can go. He said, I heard on you say they don't know that. You just sit your ass out there. I run.

00:51:08
Speaker 3: This was said, you just stay out there, they don't know you hurt. So I'm sitting out in the line of it, but it's hurting. And and and we had this kind of commitment. So we were in that New York game and we need this last game of the year. We needed this game because we needed to buy to get ready to make the run, to try to make the run, and image out there hurts his shoulder and I was like, he was like, I don't know, because they take him off the field.

00:51:31
Speaker 2: I said, can you go? He said, I don't know. I don't know, man, I said, they don't know that. Just stand back then, right right, hey, I guess nor forgot that his shoulder was out.

00:51:47
Speaker 3: What's coming? Forgot that showed us out the coordinator earning and they handed him the ball and man and he started. He just started. It was one of the greatest things I've ever seen, one of the greatest things. I told him that after after the got some man that's gutting it.

00:52:02
Speaker 4: Out performance what he rushed for.

00:52:05
Speaker 2: I don't remember what he rushed for, but I remember he got a lot of man, Remember that he tore him up. Though he won the game for us. He won that game for us, and we needed it.

00:52:15
Speaker 1: When you read this headline, officer admits to paying to try to have Dallas Cowboys star killed.

00:52:21
Speaker 4: Who comes to your mind.

00:52:24
Speaker 3: I'm glad that Joe at hired and undercover. I wouldn't be here, you know what I mean? But but you know that that story, what that was was, you know what what happened when I got caught in when I was in that situation in the in the hotel room.

00:52:40
Speaker 2: You know, this girl I was seeing, she had a friend.

00:52:44
Speaker 3: Her friend was married to his police officer, and and they would come to the hotel and we would be hanging out doing things. And then I think when it all went down, he found out this was an a police officer named Johnny.

00:52:59
Speaker 2: Johnny.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: Then he found out and that that this girl was coming, and of course we were doing things, and and he didn't want I guess he didn't want everybody to hear about it. So he figured he take me out, there'll be no case, and so he tried to hire a hit man, but he hired an undercover.

00:53:20
Speaker 2: And I was in court.

00:53:22
Speaker 3: I was in court when they stopped the court and brought me in the back and told me that this police officer had hired a hitman, you know, and that they arrested him. And you know, they gave me for getting caught in the hotel room with women and the drugs. I got four years probation. He tried to kill me. He had two years I think in jail. So I'm gonna still be on probation when he get out of jail. So so so I can't be around any undesirables all that stuff because I'm on probation. First thing I did was when you know, after by two years, I was getting ready, I snuck back to the prison.

00:54:03
Speaker 2: I got to go talk to this joker. He's about to get out.

00:54:06
Speaker 3: They tried to put me in jail for going to jail to talk to him.

00:54:11
Speaker 2: I went apologize. You know, I'm like, well, you're about to let the joke out. I should go apologize or he put another hit on me, you know what I'm saying. It was kind of a mixtake, but I really did want to apologize to him. You know, I didn't mean, you know, like I guess, I took his woman and you know, and they wanted to take me out for it.

00:54:31
Speaker 3: It was embarrassed. But I was like, man, I didn't know. They didn't, you know, tell me, tell me. And yeah, that was hard. That was hard. But when I went to here go see him, man to dude was crying like a baby. Man, I've never seen that. That that touched me to see how he was crying. He just said, man, I've been praying. That's crazy, he said, I've been praying and praying and praying and praying. They just want apologize to you so much, he said, I've been praying for you, man, praying that you come. I can't believe that you and I ain't tell nobody I was going. I didn't tell anybody because but but the chief that was watching over the jail, and it still got back to my judge and they were trying to throw me in jail because I went to see him. I was like, dude, I wanted to make amends with the man. What happens if if we don't make amends and he's getting out? Y'all you see what I mean? So so yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was crazy.

00:55:28
Speaker 5: Helped Lee Cowboys and Super Bowl wins in nineteen ninety three, ninety four, ninety six.

00:55:35
Speaker 2: Which one was the sweetest? Everybody in high school? Right right right? Everybody? Everybody always asks which one? Y'all know, nothing can ever topped that first one. Now I don't get what they say, Kay, nothing ever talked the first one because it's the first one. You know, all them dreams.

00:55:54
Speaker 3: That you've had all the time, I'm going to be realized in the first one, and the first one was right here in La.

00:56:02
Speaker 2: It just happened to be the right time. Man.

00:56:05
Speaker 3: It was man, we were crashing I think a the Face party, a Babyface party, a baby Face party. They were doing Award show Man. We were so loud and they were like, excuse me, you guys, kind of be down quiet in the back. We're trying to have a party here. So we are the party. What are you're talking about?

00:56:22
Speaker 2: Here? We are. We were out ahead, you know what I'm saying. We were out of here. Man.

00:56:26
Speaker 3: It was nothing, nothing like that first one here. Man, you we walked hard. We walked out on the field at the start of that Super Bowl in Pasadena. You know how you talk about, man, all these games, they're just games. They're just games. I can play anywhere, it doesn't matter. But you when you walk in a Super Bowl, it's a difference. It's not just a game, you know what I mean. It's the crowd with crazy.

00:56:50
Speaker 2: Man.

00:56:50
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, like you got it. It takes your breath away. So there's nothing like that first one.

00:56:56
Speaker 2: Nothing.

00:56:58
Speaker 1: When you line up against one of the best beats, what you named earlier. What's going through your mind as you get your feet sut handset and looking back in towards the quarterback.

00:57:07
Speaker 2: Hmm. Now, it depends on how I purposed out this game. You see.

00:57:13
Speaker 3: If I if I'm playing somebody, if I want to beat him, I'll attack his weakness like you know. But but if I if I'm playing somebody that I think I'm gonna play again, or I may see twice a year because he's in my division, then I may attack his strength. You see, I attack his weakness to beat him. I'm an attack his strength to break them.

00:57:34
Speaker 2: You see.

00:57:34
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna see you again, I want you to know. Like say, you're a physical cornerback and you like to try to be physical. Okay, now now I'm gonna come and show you I'm out physical in you. So where do you go?

00:57:45
Speaker 2: Now? You see what I mean?

00:57:46
Speaker 3: So my thought process is not always to play it's the man. I gotta beat the man, so I'm thinking through him. If it's if it's Darryl Green who's so fast and quick, I'm just out muscle stronger.

00:58:02
Speaker 2: But if I get a bigger guy, then I can out quick.

00:58:05
Speaker 3: The dim became a problem them was a problem because he was big and fast, you know what I mean, strong and and and and then I have to come up with more ways, and then he has all when you see them, when he's trying to put one leg back, he'll put one leg back when he comes to press. Because you can't beat me with both legs, Evra. You can't line up like this and I like this and you stop me. You see, I put in too much working. I understand this is football, but we are still incorporating laws of inertia. Like a moving for moving object, hidden the still object. Give me the same weight and size and move the still object. So okay, okay, I just gotta make sure I'm the moving object. I'm the moving object because I know the snapcount Blue eighteen, said Hud.

00:58:55
Speaker 2: I know it's one. I know it's two. For I'm a move before you. I know it. So now when I.

00:58:59
Speaker 3: Said here and you got your legs like this right here, chance, it's impossible for you to stop me because now I'm the moving object. If I hit right in you, I should move you. If I'm two ten and you're two ten, I hit you in the middle, I should move you. But I'm not gonna hit you in the middle. I'm gonna hit off that right shoulder. I'm gonna hit off that left shoulder. So I'm gonna take my two ten through your one oh five. It's impossible like this. I'm here, I'm there, I'm gone. So the starts doing this. So we mean force force with force right here in the line of scrimmage, I'm saying. So then I have to rethink. Okay, how am I gonna beat this joker?

00:59:37
Speaker 2: Now, you know?

00:59:38
Speaker 3: So it's always demand that I'm thinking about the game. I'll deliver how I'm gonna deliver it over him. I'm gonna either beat him, I'm gonna break them, but his ass gonna lose.

00:59:49
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you this.

00:59:51
Speaker 5: Now, you said receivers, they got ten different ways releasing off the line.

00:59:55
Speaker 3: Now that none of those work. That's stepping back and all that. All this, none of that ship work because you're letting the man win. His job is to throw up the timing of the play. You're giving it to him right now by stepping back. Ain't nobody designed to play where you stepped back across. But that's just Instagram bluff, Instagram star. It's all he is a bad words. You do all that you want and and and he's still there. So that was all a good thing. But my big boy about to hit your quarterback in the mouth. You still gotta calm this way. So all of that is no. I'm going right now.

01:00:33
Speaker 1: Who is someone who was a tough dB off the line, physical that we wouldn't think of.

01:00:40
Speaker 4: Who's someone will?

01:00:42
Speaker 2: Who is joker name James Hasty? Oh?

01:00:45
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

01:00:49
Speaker 2: Strong that.

01:00:55
Speaker 3: He was so strong And I thought this this was this first time niggas messed with ever messed with my head because I was like Eagles. He played for the Chiefs. They chief man, oh man, I got, damn man. It came off when the dude I got. You know, you could feel when somebody street God, damn he's strong. Yeah it was Jame's Hasty. That dude. Now if he backs up, I can kill him. But he knew that. But he yeah, he knew that he was. He was He was very strong, strong stone.

01:01:33
Speaker 2: Du that stuff.

01:01:35
Speaker 5: Football. Football is scary. But you know, I've been carted off. I got undercut and couldn't fill my legs and been carted off and I just had back surgery. But you have to suffer cervical spine age in nineteen ninety nine.

01:01:45
Speaker 2: I guess the Eagles was.

01:01:46
Speaker 5: Carted off the field, Philly fans chair and ships showing no class talk about.

01:01:50
Speaker 2: That, you know what. I knew that I would never play again. Now.

01:01:55
Speaker 4: I tried in that moment.

01:01:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because leaving him, leaving that day, man, I was playing with one the boys and everything, and I kept saying, we'll play when I get back. And I remember even saying it in my head man somewhere, and I don't know why I said it, but I said, I said, God, man, God, when I when I finished playing football, I'm gonna get right with God, you know what I mean.

01:02:17
Speaker 2: And I spoke it.

01:02:20
Speaker 3: I spoke it, and God was like, I guess you said, oh, oh that's been the problem.

01:02:25
Speaker 2: Well let me get this out the way, you know.

01:02:27
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, man, I thought about that when I laid on the God damn, because I was playing my son. I said, we'll play when I get back. I said, I guess there will be no play when I get back. Dude, and my leg, you know, because remember they were telling me I'm crossing my leg and I didn't know the severity of it. What made me know that it was because I couldn't really feel anything was when I looked up and I saw when you look up your ce don over me doing this praying, praying, And when I saw his face, then I got scared. I was like, oh, you know, because I saw I saw fear in his face, and I got worried. And then they took me. They took me in, they took me to the hospital. Jerry wrote to the hospital with me. You know, I'm gonna tell you something about the Eagles owner. He came into the hospital room and he was, you know, he was visibly shaking, His lips were shaken, and he apologized. He was trying to apologize for for what the fans had done. And I was like, you know, I told him I wanted to kind of give him some relief because I felt it on him, you know, And I said, listen, I said, I understand. And so those fans were not cheering and understand the severity of my injury. They were, you know, here the cowboys whooping that ass. So you know what I mean, I understood what it was. It's so funny and Philly fans. Now I go to when I'm in Philly. You know that just they just they just they like me. They're real big fans, passionate fans. You know, I'm doing the game Green Bay in Philadelphia, playing in Philly, and I'm doing TV. Every time I get ready to talk, I split the down little song Dallas for.

01:04:16
Speaker 4: Life right right there.

01:04:18
Speaker 2: I'm like, Dallas ain't even here, going to commercial and I'll go where I'm talking. What the hell is up? Yo? This is Green Bay in Philadelphia. What was the Dallas though?

01:04:32
Speaker 3: They said, Michael, we don't like each other, but the one thing we can agree on and we.

01:04:38
Speaker 2: Both hate Dallas more. And I was like, all right, right, so you know, yeah, it's just what that is, man, It's just the passion of the fan base.

01:04:48
Speaker 1: Well, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us know, you play with Troy k mean, your entire career. If you would have had an opportunity to play with one more quarterback, what quarterback would that have been?

01:04:55
Speaker 2: Damn Marine? Damn Marine. I wanted to play with damn Marine. Know. Man in Miami, in Miami. In Miami, Man, they drafted James Pruitt. I think the year before me, I was like, they're not gonna do it back to back.

01:05:09
Speaker 3: But but but also when I think back, that's best.

01:05:14
Speaker 2: It's best. Somebody asked me one time, what was it like the night before games and all of that with the girls when you're winning Super Bowls? I said it was great. Man.

01:05:22
Speaker 3: I was focused, like I didn't have any problem with girls, you know, the night before a game, I'm about winning.

01:05:28
Speaker 2: I was focused unless it was a I N. And they said what was I N?

01:05:33
Speaker 3: I said, the Columbia or Brazilian and Italian and want all the things they got in Miami. You know what I mean?

01:05:43
Speaker 4: I feel it, son, it might.

01:05:46
Speaker 2: Have worked that good. Then I didn't play around all them. You know what I'm saying. They'll keep you up. Who's your goat? And where sport? Football?

01:06:01
Speaker 3: Yes, honestly, to go to football, I would give it to Jed Rice. I called Jed Rice Jesus in Cleets. You know what I mean. That's the joker I had in my locker and I wanted to chase all my life.

01:06:16
Speaker 2: Man. I just thought that he was. He was phenomenal, physical, physically phenomenal and to play for eighteen years. I only really played about nine years.

01:06:25
Speaker 3: Jerry got to play eighteen years.

01:06:29
Speaker 2: He used to me, Yeah, used to me. I would call the greatest.

01:06:33
Speaker 4: My god, one album you could listen to on repeat.

01:06:35
Speaker 3: I'm one of them old fashioned dudes. I'm Quiet before the Storm. The only thing I could listen all day on repeat is Old Al Green, Old Al Green. You know That's what I listened to, um doing a rehab, all that everything and all that old Quiet Storm.

01:06:56
Speaker 2: Before I leave on leash. Hell, so that's what I listened to even going to the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:06
Speaker 3: You know it comes from when when we were younger, back in then. You know, where you're sitting in the car playing the eight track tape, just you know, going over your rap. I'm trying to come up with a rap. Things I'm gonna say to the girl, call that your rap, you know what I mean?

01:07:24
Speaker 2: So, so yeah, that that was my That was me. Top five receivers all the time.

01:07:28
Speaker 3: I get people all the time talking about this because they called more passes and everything. I always tell people, you know, I think Jared Wright's the greatest player of all time. I think Jared Wriight's the greatest receiver all all the time. But as soon as you finished with that, e and right, you better start with the m and Michael. That's what I'm talking about. You Jerry one YouTube. I'm gonna go. I would go, man h, I thought you talked physically gifted or actually played with they did on the field, because physically gifted there was You start looking at a mega tron, you start looking at Andre Johnson. I'm talking about think about this, Andre Johnson, Andre Johnson. I look at when I'm in the Hall of Fame, I look around and see Jed Wrights, I see his quarterbacks. I'm in there with my quarterback, you know. I see Stirling Shop, I see Brett Fahr. I look at Andre Johnson and I be like, damn, a'd you get in this room? Your quarterback ain't coming, His quarterbacks ain't coming. You see done that. Those are different kind of dudes right there. Andre Johnson got in this room, and his quarterback is known. His nickname is the pick six That Shop. That's a pick six.

01:08:40
Speaker 2: You know. He threw pick sixes up. So that's how bad that dude is.

01:08:44
Speaker 3: When you're talking about physically gifted, dude, now you're talking about results in physical gifts. Then you got to put in a random moss you know, Random Moss, so those that's just.

01:08:54
Speaker 2: That size, that big. Uh.

01:08:57
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a guy I love, I would throw in one of my top five all time is Andre Reid. Whole body going, you know, I put and I'm throwing Andre Reed right.

01:09:09
Speaker 2: Andre Reid was a.

01:09:10
Speaker 3: Bad man inside outside, prior to what what they got out and what they're doing now. So yeah, I would probably Jerry Rice and putting me in there.

01:09:20
Speaker 2: I want to go boy that boy, bad boy Untre Johnson such a bad boy, just just a bad boy.

01:09:27
Speaker 3: But but I'll go Random Moss, Andre Reid, and m Andre was just he didn't have the thing of things around him to get him to where he's winning championships and everything and all that you put t o in there, I put in there?

01:09:47
Speaker 2: What what? What? What do you rate?

01:09:48
Speaker 5: Lar fis Jeral because I was a big fan of laughing man to catch everything, everything. Everything. I was glad Larry got Kirk Warner later. But but there is another guy that was a phenomenal, phenomenal receiver, and Chris Carter. There's so many of them, it's so many, but so many people do different things. Like Chris Carter is not going to outrun anybody. But I think Chris Carter got some of the best hands you've guaranteed on third downs.

01:10:16
Speaker 3: Guaranteed best hands in the world, man, And he understood the game in a great way.

01:10:20
Speaker 4: Ranked these three, m j Kobe, Lebron.

01:10:23
Speaker 3: This is a hell of a debate, now, y' y'all, y'all, y'all get into this all the time, and people get into this all this, and I think Jordan is a phenomenal, phenomenal player, and certainly all that he has gotten he deserves. But when you look at Lebron and what Lebron has done, even cold and Kobe is a great player, phenomena, but you look at Lebron and what he has done, Lebron has changed things in a big way. Michael All, Michael joined accomplished and all he's done, and all he did, he couldn't get his own owner to extend Numb another year.

01:10:58
Speaker 2: Like, dude, come on, man, is what are you doing here? What is that?

01:11:03
Speaker 3: Lebron came in a different way and has done a different thing.

01:11:07
Speaker 2: And now Lebron has some control. He changed the business basketball, right, It's not just dribbling his business acremen incredible. You gotta give him some tips.

01:11:19
Speaker 3: I remember they were arguing that he wouldn't with him and cobD was in the All Star Game, right, and Kobe wanted to go one on one with him.

01:11:26
Speaker 2: One on one.

01:11:26
Speaker 3: You know, we want for Mail to show up and take over. A for Male showed me got the but that wasn't his game plan. He's like, I don't have to show up and take over. I really want to take over. So instead of beating down the top players like a for Mail, he was like, no, I'm trying to partner with these guys so we could do bigger and better things. We can have more control. Lebron got way more control than Michael Jordan never.

01:11:51
Speaker 2: Had over this whole thing.

01:11:54
Speaker 3: So we started talking about goat boy. I mean on the court, you can say on the court, you could say Michael Jordan's was the go of the court.

01:12:05
Speaker 2: You're gonna say Lebron James is to go.

01:12:08
Speaker 3: It's in on the court and of the court, and Lebron of the court because what he has done in basketball, he's the goat.

01:12:16
Speaker 2: But plean, I'll give it to Michael, no doubt.

01:12:19
Speaker 3: They're both billionaires. Childhood crushed my child. Jenny Jackson. Janet like that my wife look look like Janey Jackson. Boy, I told boy, Janet Jackson was my baby.

01:12:34
Speaker 4: No, thank god.

01:12:36
Speaker 3: If I hey, boy, if I'd met Janney Jackson, they had another Michael.

01:12:40
Speaker 2: Jackson got damn right up, goddamn right, all right, I'm praised. I'm praised, But I lied. I ain't lied.

01:13:02
Speaker 4: Teammates you ever had on what team?

01:13:05
Speaker 2: Oh? Man?

01:13:06
Speaker 3: I was so blessed with funny teammates, like I told you, like like Nate Nude, Charles Haley, all these jokes. Man, We've had some crazy, crazy teammates. I mean, Charles is Charles is as crazy as any man, you know. And and I've done some crazy things, you know, so so yeah, I would have to go.

01:13:29
Speaker 2: Crazy as Charles crazy at char Funny is probably Nate Nude, big big from Charles got both of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, both of us. Charles is the mug man. Yeah, that's my dude. I love him so much. Man, that's crazy, dude.

01:13:46
Speaker 5: If you could see one guest on All the smoke, who would it be? But you have to help us get your answer on this show, y'all.

01:13:56
Speaker 3: How many times I've come through here, I'm amazed my first time even getting here. You guys always here with pump with the pump, right it was our second year take care man, right man. So him, it would be good, a great interview. You got to have that, Dion of course. Yeah that's our guy. That's the one in Colorado.

01:14:13
Speaker 2: All that. Yeah, that's O I got Okay, Okay, you got it, you got it. Yeah, I wouldn't have You guys have had Tyreek Hill. Yep.

01:14:21
Speaker 3: I think Tyreek Hill, I know I haven't seen. I think Tyreek Hill is unique dude, you know, a very unique, cool dude. I like to see like it's a game, you know, because we got some of the Napoleon in him.

01:14:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

01:14:37
Speaker 3: It makes you great, it makes them great. So I'm okay with that. Who else would be very interesting? H gotten Jane Daniels yet, young quarterback. I think that'll be awesome because there's so much around him and so much going on with him, and he's so you know, and then with all this with his mother stuff and all of that, you know what I mean. I would wonder just from outside looking in, like I would ask what kind of relationship he asked with his dad? You know and all of that.

01:15:08
Speaker 4: That's a good car.

01:15:09
Speaker 2: Like it's true he's dating superstar. I hope so is talking about your girl basketball player? Did you walk? That's why they say her name? You do? You know? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But I hope so I was.

01:15:20
Speaker 3: I saw that and I saw my so mom mom sitting between I say, no, come on, let that will go.

01:15:27
Speaker 2: Right right now.

01:15:28
Speaker 3: Now, if she came from one of them what's your name club? Put something, you're gonna sit between her. But but that one never let that one go there.

01:15:38
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy documentary coming out of Netflix.

01:15:41
Speaker 4: When does it come out?

01:15:41
Speaker 2: August nineteen? It out?

01:15:44
Speaker 4: Uh, we didn't talk about the White House. I'm sure y'all talk about that in there.

01:15:47
Speaker 2: Boy what white House you talking about? We appreciate you, jos my guy. We appreciate you, Brobo. Why are you praying up? Trump out? Ship? Happened to that?

01:16:02
Speaker 4: That's a wrap, my girve.

01:16:03
Speaker 1: But you can find us on all the Smoke productions and the DraftKings Network.

01:16:07
Speaker 4: We'll see y'all next week.