Guess Who's Coming To Criticize Dinner? (with Mitch and Dando)

<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Dan are here. Thanks for checking out the show. Now.
<v Speaker 1>Some of you may or may not be aware, but
<v Speaker 1>back in twenty fifteen, I launched this podcast with my
<v Speaker 1>co host at the time, Mitch, and we reviewed every
<v Speaker 1>episode of the first ten seasons, released a book called
<v Speaker 1>Homer's Odyssey and am Big and Simpson's Guide, and pretty
<v Speaker 1>much just lay the foundation for what has become the
<v Speaker 1>four Finger Discount Network. Fast forward to twenty twenty, Mitch
<v Speaker 1>decided to take a break from podcasting to focus on
<v Speaker 1>things like family and work, and that's where Guy entered
<v Speaker 1>the equation and has been doing a sensational job since
<v Speaker 1>and we'll continue to do so. But now six years later,
<v Speaker 1>Mitch is also back, and he and I are kicking
<v Speaker 1>off where we left off by reviewing season eleven of
<v Speaker 1>The Simpsons and onwards exclusively for our Patreon. We just
<v Speaker 1>released our review of Guesses Coming to Criticizedda, a really
<v Speaker 1>fun episode which you're going to be getting a sneak
<v Speaker 1>peek at here. And if you like what you hear
<v Speaker 1>and you want to hear more Mitch and Dando each
<v Speaker 1>and every month, you can do so by joining the
<v Speaker 1>four Finger Discount family on Patreon, where all of your
<v Speaker 1>support is much appreciated and is so pivotal to the
<v Speaker 1>survival of the forefinger discount that way, But thank you
<v Speaker 1>again for checking out the show, and I hope you
<v Speaker 1>enjoy Mitch and Danda reviewing. Guess who's coming to criticize you?
<v Speaker 1>See you all next week with Guy.
<v Speaker 2>Well least you like the food.
<v Speaker 1>Oh I like food, alright. I like Pitza, I like Babelds.
<v Speaker 3>I like hot dogs with mustard and bee.
<v Speaker 2>I get the picture.
<v Speaker 1>Charlie day Plan, I couldn't even need a baby.
<v Speaker 3>De la la la la la.
<v Speaker 1>Who's that baby?
<v Speaker 2>Do you run the lower four finger discounting?
<v Speaker 1>Once in a great while, we are privileged to experience
<v Speaker 1>a podcast event so extraordinary it becomes part of our
<v Speaker 1>shared heritage. Twenty ten The concept of true crime podcast
<v Speaker 1>is twenty thirteen, Mark Maroon releases these first podcast episode.
<v Speaker 1>Then for a long time, nothing happened until tonight. Behold
<v Speaker 1>the future of podcasting. It's a bitch. Hey, he's back.
<v Speaker 3>Nothing happened that includes our own.
<v Speaker 1>Show it when we only released a book.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can see that there.
<v Speaker 1>It's nice.
<v Speaker 3>It's nice to be back, Dando. It's necessary to be back. Truthfully,
<v Speaker 3>I've fallen on half times.
<v Speaker 1>Why are you here?
<v Speaker 3>Well, a lot of people won't know this, but I've
<v Speaker 3>actually spent the last five or six years operating Jackie.
<v Speaker 1>Oh.
<v Speaker 3>This is a little bit of an industry insider thing.
<v Speaker 3>She is not a real human. She's a very early
<v Speaker 3>AI model, but they didn't have the processing power back
<v Speaker 3>then to handle movement of speech. So I see it
<v Speaker 3>in a control booth and I kind of move her
<v Speaker 3>around the Kiss FM studios. It was the only way
<v Speaker 3>they could get anyone to spend that much time in
<v Speaker 3>a room with Kyle Sandalance. Year after year after year.
<v Speaker 3>It was if they weren't real. But now that's all
<v Speaker 3>fucked up, so I've lost my payday. Sophie Monk, I
<v Speaker 3>applied for that, but that guy, the guy that controls her,
<v Speaker 3>is on a watertight contract. So sitting at home thinking
<v Speaker 3>what am I gonna do? And then out of the blue,
<v Speaker 3>you sent me a message. She said, look, I'll buy
<v Speaker 3>you a tank of fuel if you come around and
<v Speaker 3>record six hundred hours worth of podcast And I was like,
<v Speaker 3>that seems like it's a pretty good hourly rate. So
<v Speaker 3>here I am.
<v Speaker 1>Kyl Sanderlands would you rather drop your pants for food
<v Speaker 1>or work with Kyl Sanders?
<v Speaker 3>I would rather drop my pants for prison.
<v Speaker 1>A Stables's character, whoever that was in OZ? What was
<v Speaker 1>Stables character?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. OZ is a traumatic experience for me
<v Speaker 3>is like a nightmare that you blank on as soon
<v Speaker 3>as you wake up, and all that you know happened
<v Speaker 3>is that you were sweating and afraid.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember watching every episode and then I sort
<v Speaker 1>of forgot about the show and we watched SVU for
<v Speaker 1>years back, and I was like a stable you turn to.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, Oz, Oh my god, what was
<v Speaker 1>the one blood of my dick or shitter my knife? No, no, no,
<v Speaker 1>my dick or blood of my knife.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever you whatever it is, whatever it is, neither of
<v Speaker 3>those things should be about it. I was what did
<v Speaker 3>I watched yesterday during number two? And Jak goan, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty good. But JK. Simmons is just kind of
<v Speaker 3>lovely in it, and it's just I can't compute it
<v Speaker 3>because his OZ character still rains so large and everything
<v Speaker 3>that he's ever done.
<v Speaker 1>We're talking to Billy West about him recently, because he's
<v Speaker 1>the yellow Eminem and Billy is the red I did
<v Speaker 1>not know that. Yeah, and that's where they did he
<v Speaker 1>take over from. No, he was the very He's always
<v Speaker 1>been the yellow eminem and Billy's always been the red.
<v Speaker 3>Why did I think Phil Harmon was involved in the eminems?
<v Speaker 2>No?
<v Speaker 1>Phil Harmon was going to be Zap Brannigan before he passed,
<v Speaker 1>and then Billy obviously was given a role and it
<v Speaker 1>was a Phil Hartmon tribute. Is that Brannigan for futuremer
<v Speaker 1>But no, they've always been the eminem But he said, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he's absolutely lovely to work for with. Yeah, okay, interesting,
<v Speaker 1>but we're here today to review which episode because what
<v Speaker 1>happened is we started a podcast in twenty fifteen and
<v Speaker 1>after a few years or you got to the point
<v Speaker 1>where you stopped watching The Simpsons. Yeah, on a regular basis.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we got past the point that I had connected
<v Speaker 3>with it from from my youth, and it felt like
<v Speaker 3>too big of a transition, particularly because we were just
<v Speaker 3>doing this week on week on week that suddenly I
<v Speaker 3>had stepped into a period where I was like, I
<v Speaker 3>don't think I'm going to be able to give the
<v Speaker 3>best take on this to the audience that for what
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna.
<v Speaker 1>Want, I think this is the first time since you
<v Speaker 1>left the show that you've recorded a Simpsons podcast review
<v Speaker 1>in this room. I think it is, Yeah, because we
<v Speaker 1>did it over zoom or whatever it was, and it's
<v Speaker 1>just not the same. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well like COVID had happened around that time, and.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you left and the inn COVID appened.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not only that, it's the first time I've been
<v Speaker 3>to the house for quite a while. Like I come here,
<v Speaker 3>there's a hold and parked out the front. You don't
<v Speaker 3>have a novelty door mat Genuinely.
<v Speaker 1>It's like I grew up. We've got books on his shelf.
<v Speaker 3>I mean books about the Simpsons, but still.
<v Speaker 1>Actually and other things. Got warning book up there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Stewarts in Curry's book Michael Richards book talk about
<v Speaker 1>Michael Richards.
<v Speaker 3>I think so he came.
<v Speaker 1>The time has passed right over that didn't. I feel
<v Speaker 1>like he's been forgived. It was him he had to
<v Speaker 1>get over our reaction to it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, i'd certainly I think that if you
<v Speaker 3>talk in power rankings, that Michael Richards is above Will
<v Speaker 3>Smith or something like that in terms of.
<v Speaker 1>Things that have happened since you left. Will Smith's career
<v Speaker 1>is worse than ours.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, he won an Academy Award and then blew
<v Speaker 3>his career up in the same night.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, so he no, he did it first. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but it all happened on the same night. You're right,
<v Speaker 1>But it's like he won the award. Everyone's like, do
<v Speaker 1>we clap?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not what you want as the first actor.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it wasn't wasn't great. But so I've had another child.
<v Speaker 1>Both my children are now starting school. You've had a child.
<v Speaker 3>I've had a child.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was never on the cards when you're
<v Speaker 1>doing the podcast. No, you were not going to become
<v Speaker 1>a father.
<v Speaker 3>So there's probably some very incriminating evidence of.
<v Speaker 1>Me on record. I don't go back and listen to
<v Speaker 1>the old ones. People are like, he should go back
<v Speaker 1>and like cut out because you guys are always talking
<v Speaker 1>about big Big Roddy's ribbon, ribbons shack whatever it was called.
<v Speaker 3>Look, I actually take pride in the fact that we've
<v Speaker 3>outlasted a lot of our sponsors.
<v Speaker 1>They're still going though, are they. Yeah, you'ready still going
<v Speaker 1>on your ruddy Yeah? Were you? No, you didn't come
<v Speaker 1>I never went there, no, Yeah, because I was in Queensland.
<v Speaker 1>My friends with Friends. Yeah, I just gave us so
<v Speaker 1>much ribs it was great. Yeah, yeah, I mentioned Big
<v Speaker 1>Rodd's ribs again. Maybe even get in touch with it.
<v Speaker 1>They can sponsor this show. Do you reckon? Is this
<v Speaker 1>isn't four finger discount? What is this now?
<v Speaker 3>Is it not fourth finger discount?
<v Speaker 1>Well? Fourthing a discount is like the I guess it is.
<v Speaker 1>It's like a it's weird because this is the original
<v Speaker 1>fourthinger discounting. But it's like, is this this is exclusive
<v Speaker 1>for Patreon? Is this like a sub category of fourthing
<v Speaker 1>a discount? Was it just I'll just go back to
<v Speaker 1>the archive and wipe everything that guy did for the
<v Speaker 1>last five years. I don't know I made the fifth
<v Speaker 1>Finger now Nah, I don't think so finger. Yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But basically what we're doing is we're going to be
<v Speaker 1>kicking off because we tried did a soft launch about
<v Speaker 1>two or three years ago. Yeah, and it didn't work
<v Speaker 1>out because it was just too hard working around. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Lex was too young.
<v Speaker 3>Your Lex was too young. You booked Grock and then
<v Speaker 3>suddenly I slipped down the contacts list.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, and it wasn't happening. But now we're here,
<v Speaker 1>so we're going to be doing this twice a month.
<v Speaker 1>Are going to start with guess who's went to criticized
<v Speaker 1>in it? Which I thought was't a good episode of
<v Speaker 1>kick Off for you, in particular because you're a I'd
<v Speaker 1>call you a foodie.
<v Speaker 3>A foodie and a snob, yes, the same thing, right,
<v Speaker 3>they go hand in hand.
<v Speaker 1>Can you be a foodie and not be a snob?
<v Speaker 3>Though Homer managed for the first half of this episode.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, until the other s's so good. That's the thing
<v Speaker 1>with being a critic, right do you think do you
<v Speaker 1>buy into the mentality of you have to critique? I
<v Speaker 1>think if you like everything, then you tell everyone that
<v Speaker 1>you like every well.
<v Speaker 3>I think you can critique and still be positive like
<v Speaker 3>a critique. Oh, let's say that you can give feedback.
<v Speaker 3>I kind of see critique as being an overall piece
<v Speaker 3>of good and bad if there is any bad, but
<v Speaker 3>if there's no bad. I think if you're a critic
<v Speaker 3>and you're coming into something with the mentality of I
<v Speaker 3>need to find something to dislike, then you'll do a
<v Speaker 3>pretty shitty job of being a critic. And I think
<v Speaker 3>back to when you were running the website and I
<v Speaker 3>wrote a few video game critiques back then that I
<v Speaker 3>approached it from the angle of who is this for?
<v Speaker 1>And did you really which video games did you critique? Oh,
<v Speaker 1>did you do Batman, Arkhemasylum or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I did that. I did Lego something, okay, Lego,
<v Speaker 3>Jurassic Park. Maybe there were a couple others. I also
<v Speaker 3>did some TV shows from memory back in the day.
<v Speaker 3>But but yeah, for me, it's kind of that thing
<v Speaker 3>of I would rather a review that tells me what
<v Speaker 3>sort of person would like this, And I think that
<v Speaker 3>there's a way that you can do that without having
<v Speaker 3>to shit on what it doesn't do.
<v Speaker 1>I've seen people critique Kevin Smith because they say he
<v Speaker 1>only ever talks positive about things, and his response was, well,
<v Speaker 1>only review stuff that I enjoy. Yeah, I can see it,
<v Speaker 1>because he goes, I haven't got time to waste energy
<v Speaker 1>on negativity. If I know I'm not going to like it,
<v Speaker 1>I't bother talking about it. Do you buy into that mantra?
<v Speaker 3>I mean it wouldn't work for all shows, but yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I do like Kevin's doing it by choice. His show
<v Speaker 3>is not a review show. It's a pop culture show
<v Speaker 3>where he talks about what interests him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, in that sense, why wouldn't you only talk
<v Speaker 3>about stuff that you like. I have heard Kevin talk
<v Speaker 3>about being you know, there'll be movies that have come
<v Speaker 3>up where it's like this is right in the wheelhouse,
<v Speaker 3>and we have to talk about this, and maybe it sucked.
<v Speaker 3>What was the Snyder verse? Well, it's just included all
<v Speaker 3>of the Snyder verse and all of the reasons that
<v Speaker 3>that might have criticism. But he's even that, he still
<v Speaker 3>kind of finds a way to be like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>I dug this, I like this bit, and it kind
<v Speaker 3>of is what is left unsaid there because it's there's
<v Speaker 3>a difference between looking for the positives and then lying
<v Speaker 3>to say that something was awesome, Like it's it's easy
<v Speaker 3>to go, yeah, like I liked this and this about it?
<v Speaker 3>Was it what I wanted overall? No, but this is
<v Speaker 3>good And if that's your thing, then go watch it.
<v Speaker 1>What's what shits me about? So many you see it
<v Speaker 1>with younger film critics now on Instagram and TikTok and whatnot.
<v Speaker 1>Everything is the best of something now. I saw a
<v Speaker 1>lot when the Superman movie came out, the recent one,
<v Speaker 1>I was the best superhero movie in decades. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>is it though? It was? It? Just you're just saying
<v Speaker 1>that so you get free to get to the.
<v Speaker 3>Next yir Now, it was just pretty a superhero movie?
<v Speaker 1>Was it any good? Because you're a Superman god? I
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like for me, it was better than Superman Returns.
<v Speaker 1>That was your favorite of the recent ones, wasn't it? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Like, I, for all of its flaws, I still preferred
<v Speaker 3>that over any of the Cavil films because it had optimism.
<v Speaker 1>So I think you can think Nolan for that. I
<v Speaker 1>reckon the lack of optimism and superhero movie.
<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting one that actually, because no one's normally
<v Speaker 3>pretty good at tapping in to what a character actually is.
<v Speaker 3>So like, I don't think that he painted that with
<v Speaker 3>a bleak brush. I'd be curious to know how much
<v Speaker 3>of a producer's hand he had on that versus how
<v Speaker 3>much of it was just. I also think that as
<v Speaker 3>a director, he'd probably be less inclined to try to
<v Speaker 3>shape another director's vision. If he wanted to tell his
<v Speaker 3>Superman movie, he would have just said old direct But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>so Superman one and two and then this one's called
<v Speaker 3>Man of Steel.
<v Speaker 1>The old one old one. It was just for Superman,
<v Speaker 1>wasn't it?
<v Speaker 3>Is it just called Superman very well?
<v Speaker 1>Might have been.
<v Speaker 3>That's a memorable it was, yeah, and Returns and it's
<v Speaker 3>just course Returns because it's a beautiful homage to my
<v Speaker 3>favorite ones, but it's also weaker overall.
<v Speaker 1>I have you been to any recent films. I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to go see Project Hail Mary heard it's great.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm keen for that. I love that book.
<v Speaker 1>That was really really good. Large a song sung Blue
<v Speaker 1>ops it on the podcast I Haven't See. I saw
<v Speaker 1>the ads and stuff and thought, oh, it's Neil Diamond biopic.
<v Speaker 1>It's not. It's about the story of a Neil Diamond
<v Speaker 1>cover band, yeah, and just the chaos of their life.
<v Speaker 1>And it's actually great.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, h No, I missed Avatar. I double booked. I
<v Speaker 3>was going to go see Avatar three D. I actually
<v Speaker 3>was in Bali and that was on the low. There
<v Speaker 3>was an IMAX over in Bali. Now in snore like
<v Speaker 3>five Australian dollars to go see Avatar in three D
<v Speaker 3>in Imax over there.
<v Speaker 1>It's just a twenty dollars Amazon projector just like pulled
<v Speaker 1>really far back.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I never found out because it was only on
<v Speaker 3>the first night that we arrived and I was pretty cooked,
<v Speaker 3>so I was like I saw it was like great,
<v Speaker 3>I'll come back in two days and saying I'll.
<v Speaker 1>Go a little later. I'll go a little later.
<v Speaker 3>And when I came back, they were only playing mothering heights.
<v Speaker 1>Isn't not funny how that moment just sticks with you.
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's the perfect thing to use when you
<v Speaker 1>when you just leave something for too long. I'll go
<v Speaker 1>a little later with your chicken. Yes exactly. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>become I'm sure this will be in the edit. But
<v Speaker 1>Dando just ran out on me. He left chicken in
<v Speaker 1>the other The first person done this too. It's happened
<v Speaker 1>regular times. I've been put chicken in the oven. Late thing.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like cooking chicken podcast. The chicken I didn't
<v Speaker 1>cook this likeily this time wasn't my fault. Nicola went
<v Speaker 1>out for dinner, which like, I've put some chicken in
<v Speaker 1>the oven and needs to be cooking. He's keep an
<v Speaker 1>eye on it. I'm like, well, I'm about to start
<v Speaker 1>recording your podcast. But okay, what I enjoyed the most
<v Speaker 1>that again was my scuttle No it was that you
<v Speaker 1>heard the chicken. So you have your headphones on, and
<v Speaker 1>you didn't look at your not wearing a watch. You
<v Speaker 1>didn't look at the time, you didn't look at your laptop.
<v Speaker 1>You went, I've got to take some chicken out. You
<v Speaker 1>can hear putting. Oh's a funny story about Superman. So
<v Speaker 1>the kids love Superman one, and I've got all four
<v Speaker 1>on four K, and they wanted to watch Superman two. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>don't putting it in. And I didn't say Superman two
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. Maybe i'd opened it. I hadn't
<v Speaker 1>watched a four K probably on the cut or the Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's I think it's the only version you get on
<v Speaker 1>four K. And you know I put the disk in.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there. I'm sort of like cooking their getting
<v Speaker 1>their lunch, eating and stuff, and I'm watching them like, man,
<v Speaker 1>this ship. This weird. I don't remember it's being It's
<v Speaker 1>a really weird start anyway, watching it, Richard prior, Oh ship,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Richard, Oh no, the Supman three.
<v Speaker 3>The only the only saving grace for the kids is
<v Speaker 3>that you left them somewhere to go.
<v Speaker 1>Yes. The thing is the covers look so similar because
<v Speaker 1>they released them all though very similar, just a Superman
<v Speaker 1>one Superman two. I just grabbed it because obviously I
<v Speaker 1>put it on the shlf on the wrong spots. I
<v Speaker 1>just grabbed it, didn't look and I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't remember being this weird at the start, but yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I've got Obviously Superman two went in and the kids
<v Speaker 1>loved it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, good. And then I actually still have
<v Speaker 3>a soft spot for four. What's so bad that the
<v Speaker 3>Quest for Quest for Peace Superman verse? He throws all
<v Speaker 3>of the nuclear bombs in the world into the sun,
<v Speaker 3>And don't we need that right now? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>We really do. Yeah. Anyway, what do you think of
<v Speaker 1>this episode? I guess who's come to criticized dinner? So
<v Speaker 1>this is how much Simpsons have you watched since leaving
<v Speaker 1>the podcast at all? You haven't shown lex any.
<v Speaker 3>Best part of it. I did turn it on for it,
<v Speaker 3>just to see if she'd be visually interested in it.
<v Speaker 1>Old or new ones, because the new one is more
<v Speaker 1>visually stimulating, I think.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, Now I went with I don't know what,
<v Speaker 3>something from probably season three or four. I was trying
<v Speaker 3>to I was actually it was just a point where
<v Speaker 3>I was flicking around and seeing what sticks.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>What she did like was BoJack Horseman. Really got into
<v Speaker 3>the visuals of that. And I think the opening theme song.
<v Speaker 1>Because putting the Simpsons on now for my kids like
<v Speaker 1>the old ones, is the equivalent of my mum putting
<v Speaker 1>on like a Scooby Doo cartoon visually. Yeah, it looks scratchy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched much at all.
<v Speaker 3>I have probably, just like for pleasure, watched a handful
<v Speaker 3>of episodes over the last few years. I think the
<v Speaker 3>last one that I watched was it She and Scratchy
<v Speaker 3>in March season two.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you think doing the podcast made you want
<v Speaker 1>to watch the show list less?
<v Speaker 3>I needed to put some distance between myself and the show, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>to be able to try to just watch it and
<v Speaker 3>be entertained by it again as opposed I'm.
<v Speaker 1>Only just starting to be able to do that. The
<v Speaker 1>thing is, I think I'll put on for the kids,
<v Speaker 1>and my kids are old enough where they can sort
<v Speaker 1>of understand some of the jokes and whatnot, and seeing
<v Speaker 1>them enjoy it for the first time and sort of
<v Speaker 1>living by carefully through that and stuff like I put
<v Speaker 1>Who Shot Mister Burns on? And they didn't know what
<v Speaker 1>it was like, this is cool seeing kids, seeing my
<v Speaker 1>kids experience the same way I did.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think when lex is a couple of years older,
<v Speaker 3>that will be something that I do really look forward to.
<v Speaker 3>There's a few things like that. Actually I kind of
<v Speaker 3>have like a not actually written down, but I have
<v Speaker 3>a mental list.
<v Speaker 1>Of movies to show her what's your bocket.
<v Speaker 3>List based on various points of her life. I was
<v Speaker 3>thinking about how cool it's going to be a show.
<v Speaker 1>I still haven't shown all yet, but he watched out
<v Speaker 1>the first thirty minutes. He sort of turned a me
<v Speaker 1>in his like when did the dinosaurs start? And I
<v Speaker 1>was like, forty minutes in, there's barely any dinosaurs. There
<v Speaker 1>aren't much that many dinosaurs in this movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I suppose that is something where the pacing
<v Speaker 3>of films is really different these days.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a weird one.
<v Speaker 3>With Jurassic Park. You need to get in maybe a
<v Speaker 3>little earlier than you otherwise would, because part of you
<v Speaker 3>might be like, dinosaurs is going to scare a five
<v Speaker 3>year old, But if that five year old turns into
<v Speaker 3>an eight year old who's seen a bunch of other
<v Speaker 3>hyperactive movies where there's like, shit's got to happen in
<v Speaker 3>the first five minutes or they're not going to keep
<v Speaker 3>watching and they'll stop streaming. Then you've kind of primed
<v Speaker 3>them to go. Be like if you and I sat
<v Speaker 3>down right now to watch Lawrence of Arabia, Yeah, like,
<v Speaker 3>when's Lawrence going to fire a gun?
<v Speaker 1>Skip intro? Speaking of right, so, because kids just don't
<v Speaker 1>like sitting through credits, but I put Space on my
<v Speaker 1>kids lost Space Jam right, you know, it's bright's colorful
<v Speaker 1>shit going on. And Ali had a couple of friends
<v Speaker 1>over I mentioned some on the podcast. Another one we
<v Speaker 1>did or did Big Guy and he had two friends.
<v Speaker 1>Once they're fine, but the intro came on, It's like, no,
<v Speaker 1>fucking MJ's doing slam dunks. You've got the Space Jam
<v Speaker 1>song playing. It's great. This kid's just like push the
<v Speaker 1>button skip intro. I'm like, are you out of your mind? Child?
<v Speaker 1>It's Michael Jordan doing slam dunks to the Space Jam song.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, skip intro. When do we skip intro?
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I can't tolerate that. And Lex will
<v Speaker 3>not grow up and a skip intro household. Yeah that
<v Speaker 3>the intro sets the tying as the little as you
<v Speaker 3>removes boosh gets the senses going.
<v Speaker 1>And we sound like old men shaking their fistic cloud.
<v Speaker 1>But it's very important, Like trained my kids to realize,
<v Speaker 1>you don't skip the intros.
<v Speaker 3>You are gonna watch this feather float through the air
<v Speaker 3>for five fucking minutes before Tom Hanks speaks, and you're
<v Speaker 3>gonna enjoy every second of it.
<v Speaker 1>See my kids have, they've watched every episode of Fresh Prince.
<v Speaker 1>They stream the share the Fresh Prince.
<v Speaker 3>They get that intro.
<v Speaker 1>The first time I put they skipped intro, I was like,
<v Speaker 1>give me the remote, hold the phone. I went back
<v Speaker 1>to the start and I said, you do not skip
<v Speaker 1>this one. Do never skip this one actually tells you
<v Speaker 1>the story. And now they lost into in the car like, ah,
<v Speaker 1>oh shit. Intros are actually there's a point to them.
<v Speaker 3>But you watch chasing how quickly that happened. Where Like
<v Speaker 3>not long ago, Game of Thrones was praised for its intro. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and we have five six years later and no one
<v Speaker 3>be paying any attention to it. Yeah he was when
<v Speaker 3>the breaking bad music kicked in and things like that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>at least that short. Yes, we're watch taking bad as
<v Speaker 3>a self skipping intro see how.
<v Speaker 1>Guilty Pleasure show is s for you? Nicola and I
<v Speaker 1>we'll watch it, watch it all the time, but we
<v Speaker 1>will put it on occasionally. And the other night Nicola
<v Speaker 1>like fucking skipped intro on the SVU intro. I was like, Nikola,
<v Speaker 1>so I turned her and she looked at me. She
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I didn't mean to. I'm like, you
<v Speaker 1>better not, dav This that leads.
<v Speaker 3>Me into the first question that I wrote, And it
<v Speaker 3>doesn't answer how do I feel about the question? But
<v Speaker 3>do you still watch the Simpsons intro when you're doing these?
<v Speaker 3>Because I watched it in full for the couple episodes
<v Speaker 3>that we're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>I do when I'm doing it for the review because
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I just want to get into watching
<v Speaker 1>it mode. Yeah, yeah, I skipped the intro noun on
<v Speaker 1>Disney Plus to the point, now can you believe this?
<v Speaker 1>We had Matt someone on the show cause I noticed
<v Speaker 1>it season thirty seven. They don't do the intro anymore really,
<v Speaker 1>because there's no point, just cold they I would have
<v Speaker 1>learned from the stats that people were skipping the intro,
<v Speaker 1>so what's the point? And he said, I would rather
<v Speaker 1>dedicate time to storytelling than have any intro.
<v Speaker 3>This is another one of those reasons that I just
<v Speaker 3>want the Internet to be shut off, be perfectly honest.
<v Speaker 3>People are too quick to like just settle in.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah joy Yeah. So even the couch gags and I
<v Speaker 1>have there's no couch gag.
<v Speaker 3>Recording twenty two minutes, it's all intro.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the credits haven't stopped yet, there's no there's no
<v Speaker 1>couch gags or anything. They had a couch gag for
<v Speaker 1>the eight hundred episode because it was a special one,
<v Speaker 1>but now it just goes the Simsons and it sort
<v Speaker 1>of phades just in zooms into one of the letters
<v Speaker 1>and goes him and that's the end of the episode,
<v Speaker 1>just starts. Yeah okay, because they were saying people were
<v Speaker 1>just skipping it, So why waste forty five seconds of
<v Speaker 1>storytelling time on something that people are going to skip anyway?
<v Speaker 3>Thirty seven years that's admirable because I would be like,
<v Speaker 3>can we drag that intro out to three minutes people
<v Speaker 3>skip it anyway, and that way I don't have to write.
<v Speaker 1>This match then this isn't actually pretty good. I would
<v Speaker 1>advise checking out the newer episodes, probably like season thirty
<v Speaker 1>five onwards. Yeah, because ol Genus left the show and
<v Speaker 1>now Matt Selman is taken over a show, we've got
<v Speaker 1>a fresh voice. Yeah. Well, he was pretty much supposed
<v Speaker 1>running the show anyway, but now he's officially the solo showrunner.
<v Speaker 1>He can just do what he wants having to get
<v Speaker 1>the approval from up above, and yeah, it's better for it,
<v Speaker 1>all right? Sweet this episode? What did you like?
<v Speaker 2>Ah?
<v Speaker 1>What did I like?
<v Speaker 3>I liked that this was a wacky but believable enough
<v Speaker 3>side plot, not side plot, but the idea of Homer
<v Speaker 3>gets a new job and does whatever. And I kind
<v Speaker 3>of liked that the fact that Lisa was the ghost
<v Speaker 3>writer of all of it, and Homer and Lisa working
<v Speaker 3>together hearkens back to earlier episodes and some really strong
<v Speaker 3>episodes where they would be in on things forgive me
<v Speaker 3>for forgetting. Yeah, the gambling one is the one that
<v Speaker 3>it kind of evoked. I also liked that for a
<v Speaker 3>small period there, Homer actually found a second thing to
<v Speaker 3>do that is genuinely good at. And what I mean
<v Speaker 3>by that is he couldn't write, obviously, but he's genuinely
<v Speaker 3>good at eating food, and he was genuinely good at
<v Speaker 3>finding stuff to be delicious and he made people happy
<v Speaker 3>and that there wasn't any real spite or mean spiritedness
<v Speaker 3>in the episode overall. So it kind of felt of
<v Speaker 3>an earlier error to a degree.
<v Speaker 1>Because he didn't start becoming rude with with his reviews
<v Speaker 1>until the other critics convinced him to do so peer
<v Speaker 1>pressured him. It didn't just become a dick. He was
<v Speaker 1>buckling to peer pressure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was doing it because he thought that's what
<v Speaker 3>you're supposed to do.
<v Speaker 1>I do think they could have maybe focused more on
<v Speaker 1>the Lisa homodynamic and her being sad that they had
<v Speaker 1>this thing going well together and she was enjoying having
<v Speaker 1>her stuff printed in the paper yep, and now she's
<v Speaker 1>no longer able to do that, she can't work with
<v Speaker 1>him as a team anymore, and she was and seeing
<v Speaker 1>the impact that had on her.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that would be, you know, the legacy, and
<v Speaker 3>I do want to try to avoid doing that versus
<v Speaker 3>or then really try to. Yeah, it's hard, but that
<v Speaker 3>would be If this was a James L. Brooks error,
<v Speaker 3>they definitely would have done that.
<v Speaker 1>That would have been the focus, not some wacky let's
<v Speaker 1>make a bigger Claire Le bomb, Yeah, to kill him overall.
<v Speaker 3>The other thing that I kind of took away from
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of forgotten that the pace of the
<v Speaker 3>jokes just slows down a little bit. Yeah, And I
<v Speaker 3>guess there'sn't that element of which we've spoke about many
<v Speaker 3>many years ago, of the change in the writer's room
<v Speaker 3>culture that you wouldn't stay there until three in the
<v Speaker 3>morning trying to carve out the absolutely every last ounce
<v Speaker 3>of a joke. So there's really good jokes in this
<v Speaker 3>I just found them less frequent. But I did have
<v Speaker 3>some really really big bally laughs.
<v Speaker 1>Are we surprised by that? We enjoyed by that knowing
<v Speaker 1>because you know, this isn't this isn't your era. No,
<v Speaker 1>I had you seen this one before?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I wasn't surprised by it. It's not
<v Speaker 3>like I knew that. It's not like I thought the
<v Speaker 3>show wouldn't be funny, just not as Yeah, Like I
<v Speaker 3>didn't think it was like, yeah, ten out of ten
<v Speaker 3>fucking one. It was more like a tapers and there
<v Speaker 3>were there are other things of a higher quality that
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'll invest my time over here. And
<v Speaker 3>South Park was coming along as a pretty fresh voice.
<v Speaker 1>This was ninety nine. South Park kicked off in ninety seven,
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight year. Yeah, so it was more that it
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, it's this new shiny toy and family
<v Speaker 1>were your family guy going. Yeah, when it started the
<v Speaker 1>first season, I think the family Guy because it was
<v Speaker 1>different ye, Futurama and Dilbert, and it was quite a
<v Speaker 1>big deal with at the time, and Scott Adams made
<v Speaker 1>Rest in Peace. I had recently Scott, A lot of
<v Speaker 1>people didn't like the guy.
<v Speaker 3>Oh he's a bastard. I hate to speak ill of
<v Speaker 3>the dead, dad note, but fuck.
<v Speaker 1>Me speaking of ill of the dead. Speaking of speaking
<v Speaker 1>of ill of the dead, I should say. We spoke
<v Speaker 1>to Jay Kergan today for our last exit at the
<v Speaker 1>Springfield Reviewer. But yeat at some point some negative things
<v Speaker 1>to say about Sam Simon, which really, really I was
<v Speaker 1>surprised by because you only ever hear nicest guy. You know,
<v Speaker 1>he dedicated a lot of his money to looking after animals,
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he's lovely and apparently just a motherfucker to
<v Speaker 1>work with, right. Yeah, but it's like, you know, it
<v Speaker 1>was explaining you've got to have that mongrel to you
<v Speaker 1>to get results on that dog at him. Yeah, So
<v Speaker 1>look at for that last exit of the Springfield. But
<v Speaker 1>you're right though with the with the amount of gags,
<v Speaker 1>because Last Exit Springfield is one of those episodes it's
<v Speaker 1>just jo jo jo Jo joke, Joe joke. And then
<v Speaker 1>you watch this one. This one's almost like a breath
<v Speaker 1>of fresh air to an extent because you can sort
<v Speaker 1>of relax a bit. Yeah, but in saying that it's
<v Speaker 1>not as funny as a result, No, it's a different
<v Speaker 1>kind of funny. I guess, yeah it is.
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, it's like if I could spoil
<v Speaker 3>my absolute favorite moment in the episode and the funniest part.
<v Speaker 3>So at the beginning, the little callback I haven't seen
<v Speaker 3>for four years, Like, no, that's funny. But then when
<v Speaker 3>they're at the dinner table, it's like passed on, pass
<v Speaker 3>it on, passing on. We just want to know where
<v Speaker 3>our Sunday is, Kils. It's like that that slayed me.
<v Speaker 3>And as much as you know, structurally it's pulled back
<v Speaker 3>and reveal, but execute it so.
<v Speaker 1>So fucking well because the thing is Utter gets attacked.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Pta de Spam, which is like season six,
<v Speaker 1>and I think you might see him nah, because he's
<v Speaker 1>in dast Bus, I think anyway, But like the last
<v Speaker 1>field trip, he gets like left behind and they get
<v Speaker 1>a beat the shit out of him basically, and you
<v Speaker 1>think they've killed Uda. And I think that's what this
<v Speaker 1>joke is referring to, that we haven't seen him since
<v Speaker 1>that field trip. But even though he has been seen since,
<v Speaker 1>I think.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I thought it was dust Bus and maybe
<v Speaker 3>he just got left on the island, but bands is
<v Speaker 3>that they remember they're looking over the fence and yeah,
<v Speaker 3>the but regardless, I just I think that that is
<v Speaker 3>one where if it's joke jo jo jo joke joke,
<v Speaker 3>then that one doesn't hit as hard. So you know,
<v Speaker 3>that was just very very funny.
<v Speaker 1>So Asna he played the editor, Yeah right, and the
<v Speaker 1>old man from up.
<v Speaker 3>I did not look that up, but I knew that
<v Speaker 3>voice was familiar to Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I thought he did a good job. Apparently it's based
<v Speaker 1>on Lou Grant, who was a character from the marytyle
<v Speaker 1>More show, which is James L. So, James L. Brooks
<v Speaker 1>created that show. He created the character of Lou Grant,
<v Speaker 1>and that's who this editor was based on.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's a deep cut references it is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I thought he did a good job as
<v Speaker 1>the editor.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, other than if you can write me one article,
<v Speaker 3>I'll put you on the payroll.
<v Speaker 1>The logic of it.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's how Mary Tyler Moore got to work. I
<v Speaker 3>haven't seen enough of that show, but yeah, I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 3>that's that's a swing. Anyone can stitch. Maybe not anyone,
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of people could stitch five hundred words together.
<v Speaker 3>In this job market. It's probably not happening.
<v Speaker 1>Was bobs Burgers in this economy? Yeah? I have watched
<v Speaker 1>Bob bobs Burgers. I think in this economy can be
<v Speaker 1>anything that speaking of things that are a bit logical.
<v Speaker 1>So there's no E on the typewriter. Explain to me
<v Speaker 1>how he repeatedly writes screw Flanders. Mmm, I mean you could,
<v Speaker 1>I guess write screw Flanders without the E would be
<v Speaker 1>incorrectly that.
<v Speaker 3>I hadn't noticed that. In a moment, my brain was
<v Speaker 3>willing to go along with that for the quality of
<v Speaker 3>the joke.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it was. And then I like the call back
<v Speaker 1>again later on two more words, screw Flanders appetite, Yes, indeed,
<v Speaker 1>have you.
<v Speaker 3>What's the dodgiest trick you ever pulled?
<v Speaker 1>For a word? Count, when's the last night to write
<v Speaker 1>some for all? Work out what do we do for
<v Speaker 1>our book? Do we just do we do for a book?
<v Speaker 1>Book was like seventy thousand words, wasn't it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we did some padding, Yeah that quick, get some trivia,
<v Speaker 3>find an interview that we did, let's transcribe it, transcribe,
<v Speaker 3>transcribe our conversations. I remember discovering the trick that you
<v Speaker 3>could chuck words sort of around the margins or at
<v Speaker 3>the bottom of the top of a page in Microsoft
<v Speaker 3>Word and then just change it to a white font.
<v Speaker 1>So when did that go?
<v Speaker 3>Tools word count? They'd be like, that's it the mark
<v Speaker 3>and how did you do that?
<v Speaker 1>Did you be a call for it?
<v Speaker 3>Two or three times? Early days of computers where it
<v Speaker 3>was like, let's just take a swing that they don't
<v Speaker 3>know what they're doing, and I'll be okay.
<v Speaker 1>How tempted would you be now if you're doing year
<v Speaker 1>twelve now to use GPT for writing stuff or at
<v Speaker 1>least give you an idea of where to go with something.
<v Speaker 1>I'd be an idea.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would one hundred percent use it for structure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I wouldn't just copy page.
<v Speaker 3>I actually something happen at work a little while ago,
<v Speaker 3>where I had used co pilot to kind of help
<v Speaker 3>structure the way something should be. And I put it
<v Speaker 3>all together and I rewrote a bunch and I sent
<v Speaker 3>it to my manager and they were like, this is
<v Speaker 3>really good, except this paragraph here. Can you make that
<v Speaker 3>sound less like copilot? And it was the only paragraph
<v Speaker 3>that I wrote that is one hundred percent. I made
<v Speaker 3>that up.
<v Speaker 1>The rest wasn't.
<v Speaker 3>No, he knew that that was fine.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the joke.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he was in on it. Maybe he realized this
<v Speaker 3>is this is too shit to be copilot. Maybe I
<v Speaker 3>just used a few to a few too many fancy words.
<v Speaker 3>I think, just me, I was just I just kept
<v Speaker 3>it simple. I just never abbreviated anything because I am
<v Speaker 3>yeah it is ah, yeah, that does work.
<v Speaker 1>That's a really good way to go, and it needs
<v Speaker 1>to go. You really should be using more abbreviation. Why yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're want of whats a thousand words?
<v Speaker 3>This is the way the language was invented. Is it not.
<v Speaker 1>My favorite favorite moments from the episode? As I said,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't actually write any favorite moments, but I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>I can wing something. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I think that was mostly what I had to remove
<v Speaker 3>all traces of asbestos and references to evolution has aged
<v Speaker 3>frighteningly well.
<v Speaker 1>Because this episode and twenty seven years ago mind boggling.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's pretty nuts.
<v Speaker 1>But this feels like it still feels starts like a
<v Speaker 1>newer episode, doesn't it. Yeah, I think someone like you
<v Speaker 1>who hasn't watched the new or newer ones. When I
<v Speaker 1>was a kid, he can Hear Pudding.
<v Speaker 3>Was a joke that I really really liked. And it's
<v Speaker 3>a great life. It's a great line reading, yeah, said
<v Speaker 3>with admiration.
<v Speaker 1>It's just we can hear pudding. Yeah, yeah, his admiration.
<v Speaker 1>You're right. I liked when I was a kid that
<v Speaker 1>growing grabbingly, growing grabbingly good team.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, interestingly, that's one that I wrote down for Age
<v Speaker 3>the Worst, just describing a father daughter relationship as growing gravitally,
<v Speaker 3>and it felt like that was dangerous territory?
<v Speaker 1>Was that ever? Not dangerous territory? Though I wouldn't say
<v Speaker 1>aged terribly, It was just was there ever an acceptable
<v Speaker 1>term for a daddy daughter team.
<v Speaker 3>There's been quite a few prominent legal actions recently that
<v Speaker 3>would suggests that maybe people look the other way about it.
<v Speaker 3>Ninety ninety nine.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mind, Homer just it doesn't really make sense.
<v Speaker 1>But I got two words for you much cheek and beak.
<v Speaker 3>What what is shaking bake? I'm going to google it
<v Speaker 3>because I've never seen it in Australia.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you hear about a lot in American TV. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>shake and bake. It is a seasoned bread crumb coating
<v Speaker 1>originally marketed to mimic the flavor and texture of fried chicken,
<v Speaker 1>introduced to nine in sixty five by General Foods. Of
<v Speaker 1>course there's a breadcumb seasoning bread whatte season bread crumbs?
<v Speaker 1>Bread cumb season Well, at least with that you wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>need to bother whipping an egg. Actually, that's a good
<v Speaker 1>way the egg whisk gag, putting together the egg whisky
<v Speaker 1>from the case as.
<v Speaker 3>If it was a rifle. Very cool, kind of assassin.
<v Speaker 1>Putting in the usual the antidote at the end. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so I noticed something by the way, something on the.
<v Speaker 3>Actually felt very Steve Martin. Yeah, that felt a little
<v Speaker 3>bit like a sort of physic comedy skit that he
<v Speaker 3>would do. Yeah, because it's something that you've brought on
<v Speaker 3>the floor down here, have we save it for the end.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do it before we get into like a
<v Speaker 3>little quick run through. We'll save it for the end,
<v Speaker 3>so over the end. Yeah, we'll get something I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>give to you before I supposed to get to the
<v Speaker 3>start and I forgot.
<v Speaker 1>All right, here is something for you. It's this, Ah,
<v Speaker 1>I've got a giant Cats mug. You've got a giant
<v Speaker 1>Hawk smug. Because let's be honest, these were the best
<v Speaker 1>mascots in AFL history, right, these two specific ones, these
<v Speaker 1>two specific ones. Yes, I like that the Hawk mascot
<v Speaker 1>looks like Dermy he does. It was definitely designed to
<v Speaker 1>look at it does. Yeah, I will showed to go back.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like everything needs to be simplified now, everything
<v Speaker 1>sort of. You go to macasine looks like an Ikea store.
<v Speaker 1>It's all simplied. McDonald doesn't even sa McDonalds anymore than science.
<v Speaker 1>They've taken the way McDonald's away. It's just a giant
<v Speaker 1>m now.
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, you know, Lex calls McDonald's old McDonald's. She learned
<v Speaker 3>the song first, and it's very wholesome.
<v Speaker 1>And I won't correct These are things when their kids
<v Speaker 1>right and they say things incorrectly, don't correct them. Yeah, No,
<v Speaker 1>because once they corrected that and do it anymore, you know, no,
<v Speaker 1>it's gone.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I actually have a little keep note file of
<v Speaker 3>lexisms of things that she used to say I wish
<v Speaker 3>I did lately as an educator named Trinity, that she
<v Speaker 3>would go on this like almost endless run where she
<v Speaker 3>pronounced the name of Trinity and it was yeah, I
<v Speaker 3>don't want that to change.
<v Speaker 1>See Alliott. I can't explain why, but his original way
<v Speaker 1>of saying thank you, he'd say button, so he go
<v Speaker 1>thank you, you go bum and then one day he
<v Speaker 1>just goes thank you and oh, oh but bum.
<v Speaker 3>He's just like that's in the Cradle in the Silver Spell.
<v Speaker 1>I never fee the day where he said thank you
<v Speaker 1>for the person. I was like, oh, that's the end
<v Speaker 1>of Barton.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's illogical, makes no sense of the first time
<v Speaker 3>Las lacks first time lex pronounced helicopter, yeah, correctly because
<v Speaker 3>that was Halli Potter. Yeah, it's time.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's like it's actually a better word. I'd prefer
<v Speaker 1>called Halli Potter. That's what in the new Harry Potter film,
<v Speaker 1>that's what he'd be flying around. Fuck the room stick