Will Speaks Out on Keeping His Cool Amid the Drama

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Speaker 1: What is a Bachelor Happy Hour Listeners, Happy Wednesday. We're glad to be back and like always, we're talking about everything that went down on last night's episode. That is right, I'm so excited to be back here with you guys. Hello, my little happy hour listeners. We have a really fun guest today. It is will a little Willie. I have a feeling I don't know he's gonna really just lay it all out there for us today. I feel like he's a guy that has a lot to say. I'm sure he does. I mean last night, at the beginning of the episode, obviously, the group date was wild. I was laying in bed last night thinking about just everything that went down and thinking about the call signs, and I know that he was coined what it was it little will Little Willie, whatever it was, Little Willie, But I was thinking it might be more fitting to call him free Willy because I'm just thinking about like the coat being thrown in the water, and you know, like the last scene in Free Willie where the like whale jumps out and becomes free and I'm hoping, I'm hoping that's well at the end of the yes, will you be there? Oh my God, should this be his theme song when he comes on? Should we bring him into the song? We should recoin him when he comes on, We're gonna be like, look, we understand your little Billy, but we're gonna call you free Willy, Free Willy. Peter's gone. We have no more, hopefully drama between these two. So will is free or free Willy. I mean he can now be the Willie that he's always wanted to be. But no, no Peter in his damn way. Let's talk about some things that went down in this episode. I feel like it was it was kind of intense. I feel like we saw her have an amazing one on one. She had great group dates, which the guys aren't really starting to show their true colors. Do we have your favorites yet? Well, I can tell you who my not favorites are. That's Gene. I guess it's much easier Jamie Peter. Yeah, it's you know. Watching this episode, it was interesting because there was a little bit of drama sprinkled in each night. Besides the night with Rodney, I will say like that one on one date went very very well, but the two group dates there was drama, but it wasn't like overly heightened. I would say, where it's like it were it was hard for a viewer to watch like it was. I hate to say this for like a little bit tolerable if you will. Does that make sense? Yes? And I actually felt the same way. I feel like like the drama kind of fell flat and I and it's literally because these guys are not engaging, like it's just between the two people and nobody else. Everyone just like kind of stars like are you serious? And I think that's the difference between this group between a lot of the others, you know what I mean. I feel like with Katie season, a lot of the I's got really hyped and upset about it and had a lot of things to say, and yeah, this kind of this group he saw, like Nate in between Peter and Will, he was just like sitting there like hmm, no one flinched. Yeah, And I think I feel like most of the men a Michelle's season are very mature. I mean, obviously we have a few sprinkled in that aren't. But for the most part, when there's drama going on, and that's what I actually like watching, especially last night, is they kind of just shut it down and no one else really feeds into it and engages. It's like they'll talk about it briefly, they'll let the men who are in the midst of the drama hash it out. But but what I appreciate with these guys is they don't want to ruin Michelle's night or week and they're very aware of that, which I appreciate and I wish, I wish. I guess every season the contestants would think about that, because there's a lot of pressure just going into this in general, and there's a lot of sleep, your schedules are off. But when the men kind of nip everything in the bud right away and they're like, don't bring this to Michelle. You know, she doesn't need to be part of this drama. Her week last week was already ruined. I like that about these men. Yeah, And like this stuff that happened with Jamie, I mean the guy straight up putting to him instead, Like they didn't try to get the attention or the spotlight in front of Michelle, like I have something to say, like let me stand out for you. Like no, they went straight to him. It was like, did you really say this? Did you really do this with the hell's your problem? Like nobody else had an issue with this, and everyone just kind of just kept it very cool, calm collected in front of Michelle, which I don't know, I think this is kind of nice. I mean again, I feel like the drama kind of fell flat, but I kind of liked it. M I also really enjoy how Michelle handles conflict. You can tell that, and I especially saw it at the end when well when she I guess approached J but it was in the group setting when all of the men were around. You can tell she's a teacher and she's honey skills that I'm that I'm sure she uses for her students when there's drama happening and fights happening. She uses probably those same techniques and tactics with these men, which I appreciate because I feel like I'm not a teacher. I would not have handled that in remotely the same way or have been able to articulate it and just you know, hit the nail on the head so abruptly. It's just really interesting for me to watch, but in a good way, Like I very much enjoy watching her. Yeah, I mean, she she allows without she doesn't react. She allows the men to speak and to see what they have to say, and then she makes a decision. And I think that's honestly a really incredible skill that teachers actually, you know, um, what was that word? They not, they don't utilize it, but they do it every day, like what's that word? What's that word that they practice every day whatever. I think it's a skill that teaches practice every single day with children and you know, just people in the classroom in general. It's like, rather than reacting, like, let's see what you have to say, let's give me a reasoning and then we'll tell you why this is probably not the way to do it. And that's exactly what she does with these guys, and they're grown men. I don't know, I enjoy it. You know what I love about her too, is she the second she has any red flags or like her bullshit meter goes off, she sends them home like there's no drinking anything out. She sent Ryan home night one, she sent Jamie home the second she lost trust in him. I'm like, you know, because there's always I feel like I'm just now so used to watching season after season where there's always to be continued, like right, did she keep him or did he go home? You don't know. And the fact that she's just like, nope, it's done, I don't feel it with you. Goodbye, Pip, Pip on your way love. Yeah, and so And I think the men appreciate that too, because they know she's not messing around. She is serious about what she wants. If she doesn't feel it, if you rub her the wrong way at any point, it's done. And I think that's a good thing to to see with these men, and so they can still have trust and faith that she's taking this seriously. Yeah, I mean again. And I think that also places like the value in what she's actually feeling. And you know how she confronts the men, They know that she's speaking with a lot of intention and a lot of purpose, and if she's bringing it up, it's because it's an issue or she actually like cares and is invested in that. So rather than just like kind of just like you know, playing into the drama and sitting everybody down and like Okay, what did he say? What did he say? Like, no, like giving the source, let's talk about it and gotta go, not today saying is what Michelle's done every single morning. She said that today, say so her dress, Like she just looks so good that rose ceremony, there's that goal. I was like, what this is like an oscar walking down the stairs right now. I mean I almost that that girl walked away, you know. I mean I was just like, you don't understand, it's not okay to look this gorgeous and like thanks, Like she just she's amazing. She's absolutely setting and so composed. Oh yeah, she's a total package. She truly is. Can we get it? I want to talk about Rodney for a second, because I feel like he's in one of my favorite since night one, mister Granny Smith, and he got a one on one this week, which I don't think many of the men were expecting, and I just fell in love with Rodney even more. I feel like he is the total package she I understand. She was like, he's in the friend zone right now. I want to see if we can get more to the romantic relationship side of things, which they did, But I feel like that date there was so much randomness happening, like from start to finish, them so many differently. What was it like watching them as they're running as he I should say is running through the hotel naked? You know what it? First of all, okay, so I saw a man's buns that I did not expect to say, and um, the buns. Honestly, it was so funny because he just kept saying like, my mom's gonna kill me, My mom's gonna kill me, like running through the hotel, and it was so funny. And he had no idea originally that Caitlin and I were there and you can hear me yelling Frona run because he had no idea and we were looking at his little ass was running around, I'm like yourself, and he finally noticed He's like, oh my god, you guys too, and then it was just so funny. Oh my gosh. But I think the thing that I really also like about Michelle is that she's thinking a lot of guys with these one of the ones that I feel like we don't expect and it's not this like crazy initial like chemistry and attraction between them two. It's like somebody that she sees a spark in. And I think that's what I love about Rodney so much, is because he's starting to like show like how funny and goofy he is and how much of a man he is, and like this whole relationship just kind of blossomed after this one on one. But he was hilarious that day. I'm not even gonna lie. Caitlin and I were kind of all around the hotel watching this and then with the handcuffs and the present hilarious him running around like he like almost had a prayer because he's just like, I'm so sorry for like showing you all my buns. Like it was just so funny. I don't know how okay, because it seems like night one when he came in, and I think I think it was Nate. When we had him on a couple of weeks ago, he mentioned like you see Rodney and like that one he was just like this big jacked dude and then you get to know him, and I think Nate was like, he's just like this big, funny teddy bear. Yeah, And so I feel like he was probably the perfect person for this state where it's like this big man that you wouldn't expect to like strip down to the skibbies and just like run through Willie Anili through the resort. But yeah, but I feel like that entire day. And when I say it was random, I mean like it was random. They were able to hang out in her room, they were running naked through the hallways, they were on a boat. They had like the intimate moments love through real It's not a typical bachelor that day, but it was amazing. But he seems like he has so many sides that we saw in that one go, like in a very short amount of time, which I appreciated as a view. I mean most of the times, like you can see who she's initially attracted to, Like fresh out the gate, we knew Nate she was super attracted to. We knew Joe she was super attracted to. But but Rodney Jamie. Yeah, but I think Rodney is like this slow fire that's burning and growing, and he feels like a safe haven for her. There's something about Rodney that I really like that she kind of just gives them a chance. And this is kind of like what I talked to her about in the beginning, And like it might not be the loudest guy, the most you know, attractive, the guy that stands out the most to you, that might actually sweep you off your feet. And I love the fact that she's getting him a chance because I really think that there's something good that's going to blossom from it. And I might know a little bit more than you all know, but I would just say just keep watching, Okay. I Like I said before, I don't know spoilers, so I don't know how far any of these men make it. But I will say this, I'm such a fan of Rodney that I as I was watching this one on one day, I texted my tour director for Bachelorlive on Stage and the producers that are working casting, and I was like, can we please get Rodney as one of our bachelors because I really want to be on stage with him and I want him to just try to find somebody and just half fun. I feel like he would be so perfect for it. How do you know he didn't buy Michelle? Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't know spoilers. So if he's with Michelle, he got a good one. But Rodney, if not, see on stage, buddy, Yeah, I will make you just beg on up right there for a second. You know, watch out, my man's taken. Maybe my man. I'm gonna fight you for Rodney. I really do one week again, Like, I don't know how far Rodney makes it, maybe he makes it to the end, but I do want to get him on the podcast one of these weeks. Absolutely chat with him. I have a question for you, though you weren't on the group date, the Top Gun Maverick group date, but I want to know if we can get tickets to the premiere for this movie. I mean, okay, first of all, I was like, listen, y'all have me all around this hotel, but I can't actually get off property and go hang out with the guys from Top Gun. I'm like, this is the one day I would really love to be a part of. I was very jealous of this date. Yeah, I wish you and Caitlyn could have been part of that date, just because it seemed so cool. I'm such a Top Gun fan. I'm excited for that movie. I just love that they could incorporate it into the date, and like, what a cool date for the for the guys too, to meet some of the actors. To do that, I would have loved. What is it the zero gravity ride? Say you want to do that? I would It seems like my worst nightmare. Oh no, put me in that baby strapped me in. I want to I love the feeling when you lose your stomach. Oh my gosh. Yes, um, but obviously that's the one thing that people actually hate. That's not normal. But like you, it's a feeling you never get to feel. How cool would that be? I mean whatever, all I know, Will hated it. Will seemed to be really struggling. I mean, he won the bomber jacket. He won that day, but but you know, he almost lost his stomach and he did lose the jacket at the end of the night. Poor guy. You know, I had to say, I'm really excited to talk to Bill because, yes, elthough Caitlin and I are there, this is one day I didn't see it and I didn't understand the beef between them, and now that I kind of got to watch it all back, I have questions. I have questions. I think we should just bring him on because we just got to hear it from the man of the hour. All right, Okay, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, please welcome Will to Bachelor Happy Hour. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Will. How have you been. I've been good, just getting back into my normal routine. Um, but I'm glad here. Thank you for having me. Where are you calling in from? I am early in La. So I came to La to two of my best friends, M and I celebrate Halloween out here, and I'm heading back home tonight. Well, before we begin, I have to tell you. I know we were talking all about the call signs before you hopped on. We know that you were coined little Willie on the show, but take should I have a new name for you here because you know you went through some drama last night. Your bomb or jacket got tossed into the water. Peter is now gone, though, so we coined you as free Willie. You're free Willie, finally free. So you like it? You like it? Oh yeah, I've heard it all the coming up through elementary school, all through middle school. I've heard it. Yeah, I'll I'll take it cool. I feel like they really dropped the ball on that last night. We could have come up with a better one than a little Willie. I feel like mine was the worst name too, Like everyone was just like playing into their strength and then they're like, oh, you're a little Willie. I'm like, okay, I gotta I gotta do anywhere. You're not the little ilest one there. Everyone knew you know, you're good, You're good. But now you're free Willies. That's all that matters. That's right. Um, let's take it back from the beginning. We love to just to get to know all of the men who are on Michelle's season, just to get to know you a little bit more, because obviously there's only so much that we do and don't see each each episode. Um, so take it back. How did you originally get on the show? Were you a fan of the franchise before joining? I wasn't a fan. I didn't watch it on my own. I did catch only one season, and this was like back in the day in college with one of my exits. So I would go to their room and obviously they would have Bachelor Mondays or match Bachelor Knights, and it was a season where the bachelortte had a daughter. I remember the daughter's name because it's my brother's name, and her daughter name was Ricky. And that's yeah, that's the only season that I've ever watched. Obviously I knew what the show was and I heard about it, but I never, like was fully tapped into the show. But now I'm fully engaged obviously, um, and I'm I'm in the world, in the Batchelor Nation world. So now I keep up with it. Emily that you were watching Emily Emily, Yeah, that's the I remember her name because my brother's name is Ricky. Who would have thought, you know, fast forward a few years later, did you ever think you would be on the big screen? Absolutely? Not, Like I remember watching this and everyone just hitting me up, and it's like you used to watch all this together, and now you're You're there, You're taking a shot at love. So I never imagined this, but very grateful for the opportunity and the people that I met through the journey. Well, speaking of your journey, let's talk a little bit about it. Okay, So there's been some drama going on the last couple episodes, so we kind of want to dive into that a little bit. Did you have any idea who told Michelle that her character was being questioned at the time when she brought it up, when it was talked about, Did you have any idea? Oh, we had no idea. And then I was one of the guys that was looking around the room like, yo, this is cutting into my time. At night one, I didn't get to talk to Michelle, and then this goes on in the second row ceremony. So I'm at this point in time, I'm very frustrated. I'm like, dude, these people are cutting into my time. I'm ready to call out the snakes in the grass, like call people off for what it is. And nobody was stepping up, and we're just looking around the room. People had from looks. So I'm just trying to read the energy in the room. Man, No one is saying a word at all. M did you guys go back and talk about it like after the rose He mean, I'm trying to figure out like you guys didn't try exploring who it was, or you guys just kind of dropped it after the Rosa ramoney because it made Michelle so upset for me. I kind of just left it alone with Like Michelle, I would to like see if a guy was gonna be man enough to step up and he'd be like, hey, it was me, guys, like it was me, And I said Michelle would have would have just confessed to the group, but nobody did that. Nobody ended up doing that. Um, and we see that we see that nobody came forward about it, and um, that person didn't have enough courts to step up in front of all the guys and just say it. But um, I kind of left it behind. I know she had a rough night, um, and I just wanted to make sure she was good the next day. Yeah, well obviously, Yeah, that was a very intense roast ceremony. I mean so much so that Michelle ended up canceling the cocktail party beforehand. So that night, I'm sure Ruin was feeling a lot of different emotions and feelings. Fast forward than to the next week, there's a usually a fresh start, a new round of dates. What was the vibe going into then that first group date the next day, so the vibe in the house is like we're still trying to figure out, Like there's people are chit chat and you see different groups to guys like, yo, who could it be? For me? It was just like I need to make an impact on this group day. I need to make an impact. I need to know. I need Michelle needs to know that I'm here for her, that I'm here to protect her, and I'm going to be one of those guys that's gonna have eyes around in the house and come back to Michelle with anything that I see that's fishing. So my my mentality going into the group day was just be prepared and make a name for myself. Make a name for myself. So Michelle remembers me and she's like, this guy is willing to go through anything just to be by my side. I just feel like, um, it meant a lot for you guys too, were back and I were talking about this earlier, how you guys kind of didn't want to ruin Michelle's night and you guys, we're kind of just waiting to see what was going to happen, as opposed to make more trauma happen. But I want to talk about the two group dates with Peter because I feel like Peter really really pushed your buttons, and you even said that a couple of times. He's like, You're like, this guy's really trying to push me. Um. And it kind of all started with the school date because some stuff definitely went down there, and I don't know, explain all of that to me. How did this come about? Why did it start? It actually started for me, I'm met Peter. Peter was one of the first guys I met Peter was in my limo. So yeah, so this is like some of the backstory that people in the house don't know. And then how why I clashed with Peter so quickly. So I'm in limo, I'm excited to just to see people. After corn and all, we're all talking, and then Peters saying some odd things in the limo, Peter saying things are off the wall, just to be saying in front of guys, off the walls, just to say in front of guys that you just met the first day. So he's kind of already rubbing me the wrong way. We both have very strong personalities. But I'm just getting to know the guys, getting to know where they're coming from. And one of the guys says their hometown, like, oh, I'm from this hometown, and Peter right away it's like, oh, your hometown is trash, And I'm like, bro, you just don't say that about somebody's hometown, like that person is representing their hometown. If you have something against their hometown, maybe you could talk to them about it, but just don't come at people like that. And then going into the house and then just his demeanor. He was the loudest guy in the room. I always wanted to be heard. Peter was the first one to talk and there the last one to close with any talks. He just wanted the spotlight on them. So going into the group dates, I'm already seeing this. I'm already seeing this guy wants all the attention that he could get and he's not to step on people's toes. I was one of the guys that it is just man, I'm gonna call a spade to spade, I'm gonna call it how I see it. And because time is limited and I'm seeing how it's going, um, drama is cutting into my time. So I'm like, this guy has to go. Um. I have to be able to get the other guys in the house on my side so they know that Peter is a guy that's not here for the right reasons. So yeah, when it came to that group day, UM, I joked about Peter. I threw a jab at Peter. It was kind of a joke. It was all funny games. But if I if you're gonna crack a joke, you're not going to crack a joke about the quietest guy in the room. I'm not gonna crack a joke on Lee roy or Lt who haven't said too many things. I'm gonna crack a joke on the guy that wants to attention. So that's why I wrote name down. Throughout that day, he had more opportunities to joke back around with me or to pull me aside for for a talk, but that doesn't happen. Peter waits around all day. There's times where I ran into Peter. I saw Peter throughout the house throughout, and then he waits till nighttime once again because he wants that spot, like he wants that attention. He wants to see that all the other guys are there watching. And he pulls me during that group day and like, hey, can we have a talk. When I get up to go have a talk, I'm thinking we're gonna go have a grown man to man talk, like really dissect and get to know each other. So I go over there and the first thing he says to me like this is just do not say a word and let me finish talking. And I'm like, bro, that's not how you talk to another man. Like we could easily have a mutual conversation. We could have a cordial conversation, but you're not gonna talk to me like that. M So I didn't appreciate just how he came at me from the from the beginning, and then from there it just kept on escalating. And you guys will see like it just keeps going up and up, and this guy's really trying to test me and trying to throw me off my game. Well, I want to ask you about that because you know, this past week now we see both you and Peter on the top Gun date, which I think you made the comment You're like, I'm sick of going on group dates with Peter. Yeah, but you know that tension between the two of you carried over into that date. Now, maybe chalk it up to the fact that he got upset that you know, he spoke Italian and then you spoke Spanish, and then you had the combat fight where you knocked him off a couple of times. I'm sure things just kept building. But from the week before, from that interaction, I guess that argument that you had when Michelle heard you yelling at that first group date cocktail party, was there any alleviation between the two of you. Did you hash it out and kind of squash it and put it to bed or did It just kept festering. It just kept festering, and we didn't get to hash it out at all. And then like he really played more into it and trying to get more of the guys on his side. So the next day, I remember he was in the house telling more of his story, more of his like his side of things and whatnot. But it's just like I understand, Peter. We all have a story, we all have a place where we come from and what makes us who we are today. But I'm not going to ease that to my advantage to either to have people feel sorry for me or to even get more time. And that's what where I feel like he was going with that. He was just like, Okay, I feel for you, Peter, but we all have tough backgrounds, we all have things that we had to overcome in life. Just don't use that to get more time or to get more guys on your side. That was my biggest thing, and it just it keeps going. He's throwing jabs at me on the group day. He says that I cheat when I knock him off the platform. Several times, the rules were explained and they were playing and simple, once the whistle blows, you attack your opponent, and when the whistle blue, I did just that, Like I went after her, and it felt good. Honestly, it felt good to do it within the rules of the game and do it in that manner because there was tension there. There was tension there from the week prior. And but at the end of the day, he still think that I didn't deserve the jacket, that I cheated. But at the end of the day, I came out mister Maverick. I mean, yeah, you definitely let that anger intention come out and really kind of just let him have it, which I do agree. You run fair and square, and so at the end of the day, like you really did earn that jacket, and that's something that you said. At the end of the day, He's like, I earned that, Like why is he trying to take that away from me? Did Peter has any other issues with any other guys in the house? Which did? It seems like he was just kind of picking on you. I was the main guy that he was targeting. Other guys did have issues with Peter, they just weren't as vocal. I was just the guy that was the most vocal, Like I was the guy telling the guys, calling him out for what I saw and sharing my thoughts. I was the one that was pretty open. But a lot of the guys came up to me when we had bro talks and they were like, dude, like this guy just won't shut up. I know. One of those guys was lt. LT came up to me and you hear him in one of his interviews like this guy just won't shut up. And that's how it was for all of us. The very first day. A lot of people liked his energy because he did bring a lot of energy. But then throughout more days people are like, okay, Peter, like tone it down. This is a little bit too much at this point. Yeah. Well, it happens really quickly when you start to see people's like true colors unfortunately, and maybe this just wasn't the right environment for him. Yeah, it's a rough environment. I mean, and we've talked about just everything's kind of stacked against you. It's just not a normal setting way to date to begin with, and you know, adding lack of sleep and you know, not really having a set schedule and everyone's trying to viy for one female's attention. It gets heated really fast. It's hard to kind of keep, you know, once things are fester, and it's hard to keep those tensions, you know, to a minimum. Obviously, we saw things really explode after the Maverick date when he ended up taking your bomber jacket, and prior to him taking that, you guys had exchanged some words, you know. Take us back to the mindset when you were I think it was you and Peter, and then I believe Nate was in between you. It was like the three of you guys sitting and you and Peter were going back and forth, and it was just kind of sitting there sipping his drink, Like what the hell am I in the middle of um? Take us back to your mindset in that moment where you just kind of over it. Were you like, I'm not gonna let him get to me. I'm not gonna let him win. Like what were you feeling in that moment? I had? It was a lot, honestly that I had a little bit of everything. It's just like I wasn't gonna let him win, but he just kept going. At one point time, I got fed up, and it's just like, dude, like this enough, but we did keep going and it was just yeah, it was a mix of emotions. I was just like I was ready to have that begun because every time I to Michelle, I had to deal with Peter right before. And this is like I came home. I wanted mister Maverick, I'm having a good day. Michelle is noticing that I'm willing to survive and put myself through the danger zone to be with her. So I wasn't really out. I was going into the mindset just like this is a good day, My mental is good, is clear, I'm on a high. I just wanted the day, and then I didn't want to deal with Peter right before I went to talk to Michelle again. So at the same time, it's just like I had to handle it. But it's just like I wanted to go in and talk to Michelle with a clear head because that affected me that every time I got to talk to her, like the very first two times, it was just like I had to deal with Peter right before, and then that was kind of throwing me off where it didn't feel like I was putting my best foot forward. And Michelle is one of those people that she's able to read your energy and she's able to read if you're upset, and it's just like it took me away from me being will for me being that funny, goofy guy that loves kids, is that that loves to impact people, and I didn't like that within myself. So like, well you'll see that I'm arguing with Peter and then heated conversation, but then I started to calm down a little bit more. It's just like this is not worth it, and I do this. I kind of waved my hand like trying to wave it off, and it's just he keeps on going and then it just escalates from there. I'm safe broke my heart watching you walk away, because like you, like the guys are trying to comfort you, and you're like I appreciate that, but like I'm gonna just have to step away for a minute. And I feel like that really just goes to show your character as opposed to like going straight to him and like just again escalating the situation. You know, I wasn't trying to get Peter excuses earlier, like talking about the environment obviously, but I'm just trying to say, like, your true character ends up showing and for you. Thank you. You are a better man and I really appreciate that. Yeah, it seems like I mean we could tell an immutations as we felt for you. I mean, it just seemed so overwhelming, and it seemed like you were in such a hard predicament because you know, there's this drama happening. Your personal property was taken and damaged, which to begin with, is not okay. And then the fact that you don't want to bring that to the girl you're dating. You don't want to ruin her night. And you know, I'm sure you wanted to be able to open up and confide in her, but you didn't want to bring that drama to her. So you were in a tough spot. How did you feel with the other guys, because well, first out of all, I want to know, who how did you find out when you walked back that Peter had thrown your jacket into the pool. And obviously after that happened, the other men didn't seem to find it funny. I mean they kind of had to talk you down a little bit to be like, be the bigger man, you know, don't bring this to her attention. So what were they all saying to you when you came back after talking with her and finding out about the coat. I believe one of the guys that told me was either Nate or Spencer. When I came back to a sitting area and they were just like shaking their head. I could see her look like something just tragic just happened. And I'm coming back from like getting a drink or something. I think I was just getting water and they're like doing something just happened, like Peter took your jacket. I was like, okay, like where's it? And then one of them is like, oh, people through it in a pool. And then I could see the look on their faces like that was really messed up that Peter did that and he took it to that extent. And then that's when you start seeing the shift of the guys, like, Okay, Will is in the right, Will is the guy that trying to be the bigger man. I think Martin comes up to me and he's like he's one of the guys that was kind of like in between. He was like not on Peter's side, not on Will's side. But then that night I remember him coming up to me like I'll see what you see like he's seeing it through my lens. Now, same thing with Nate. Nate comes in and Nay tells me like yo, that that was really messed up and even apologized to me and Spencer and Nay I know, I remember, they're one of the guys that where they're trying to keep me composed through the whole the whole situation. But like you guys said, I did not want to bring it to Michelle. It was something that I thought I I can handle on my own as a man with Peter and time is limited. I did not want to spend my time with Michelle talking about Peter at all. Like every time about Michelle, I was trying to forget about Peter. I didn't want to talk to about Peter. So and the night prior to that, Michelle went through a lot. Like you guys said, she had to cancel the cocktail party. Where I come from is like you handle things as man and then you can move forward. This something, It was something between me and Peter. It was in between Peter and I and Michelle. It became that way once he damaged the property because that was something that was gifted to me by Michelle. This is another night. I did not want to ruin her night. I felt like I could have dealt with it on my own, and that's what I did. I just stayed composed, and I was like, Hey, let me sleep on it. Let me see how I can address this situation and the best and the best way possible where it doesn't affect me anymore and it doesn't affect her. My thoughts was just like, Hey, I gotta protect her. She had a rough night before. I'm not going to ruin this night again just because Peter is pushing my buttons. Did anyone I know that night we saw you kind of take a step back, and you obviously did not bring that to her attention. Do you did anyone at any point before the next Row ceremony mentioned it to her? Did she have any idea? Yes? And this is my guy, one of the guys that's just like one of my bros throughout the shows. Um, we're probably bros for life. And now Brandon Jay. So Brandon Jay take some of his time at the Rose ceremony and he briefly tells her. He briefly tells her like, Hey, there's some guys in the house that are picking on other guys that are just throwing them off their theirselves and they're just like it needs to be addressed. And Brandon was my roommate, so Brandon was really able to see from from a whole different perspective that you guys are seeing and the people in the hospital are seeing, how it was affecting me, because that's right at the end of the day, that's who who I got to talk to. That's the guy that was there like trying to trying to talk to me and keep me level headed throughout the whole, throughout the whole process. And he was the one, which I was very appreciative of, that took his time to tell Michelle like, Yo, there's there's some things going on in the house that need to be addressed today. M Yeah, it's so big of him, honestly, especially talking about some you know, the drama in the house, but also at the same time, like you know, he has your back, and it's I'm glad that he also didn't like make a big deal at the Rose ceremony. It could have taken away a lot from you guys, but um, at least you know you have like this guy's watching out for you. And at the end of day, she got rid of Peter at the road ceremony. How did that feel when she didn't give him the rose? I mean it was between him, when it wasn't the last rose down to him. Yeah, the last rose was down to him and a few other guys. But it just felt good. It felt good. I felt a sense of relief, just like like I could finally show more size to Will. Like there's so much size to Will. There's so much I have to offer, and I feel like we have so much in common that she hasn't been able to see or really dissect just because I've been dealing with this. So this week is like we really is here, really is super happy and he's ready to go in Um, We're going and like attack the week. I was so excited that he was gone. It was It was probably one of the best things that happened there, and it was just what I needed, honestly to continue with my journey. Yeah, it's like you don't have that cloud looming over your head anymore. Absolutely, Yeah, you don't have enough to deal with exactly. Okay, So the row ceremony there was it was finally the first time that Michelle was aware that I guess, not Michelle, but that the men were aware that Jamie was the one who had confronted her last week and you know, brought up the fact that people were questioning her and her character and that, you know, potentially she had something with Joe prior to coming on the show. Were you surprised to find out that it was Jamie who told her? And I guess, like, what was that atmosphere like when Nate and some of the other men started to confront him about it. It was very intense and Jamie it was intensive. It was kind of uncomfortable, honestly, because Jamie was just like talking in circles and kind of dodging a lot of the questions. And he's very good at that. He's you you'll see that, Yeah, very good at diverting the questions and changing it to something else. So it got to that point where we were just like, dude, you're just not answering what we're asking. And he ended up walking away for a little bit, I think, to get a drink or something. But I got it very intense and it was very uncomfortable, and I was very upset because Jamie was one of the guys that was like, dude, just go talk to Peter, and he was kind of like trying to like little BROMI like trying to tell me, like, dude, just be the bigger man. I'm like, I'm trying to be the bigger man. But Peter is still pushing my buttons and he disrespected me. So Jamie I was upset that. It was just like, dude, you're trying to tell me to do the right things, but then you go and do this right. It's like, and I'm trusting him at this point in time. I'm it's a lot going on my mind. I'm like, Jamie, Jamie is a good dude from a good background and all that kind of stuff. So I was like, I'm trusting him some second guests and everything. And then to find out that Jamie's the one that started this rumor. Jamie's the one that feels insecure that she knew Joe before. It like hit me like a truck. So I'm like questioning Jamie. I come up to Jamie several times, but it's just like it was uncomfortable and I ended up like walking away from him a few times because he was dodging the questions. He was talking in circles, and we were just like, dude, dude, do you want to be here? Like are you even secure who you are within yourself? Why? Why did you need to do this? Why we are dealing with so much in the bubble. It's like, why bring outside things into the bubble? Like, okay, if you read this, if you heard that, um, don't address in the bubble Like we were already so under so much stress and then trying to do this, trying to speed day and trying to get to know Michelle. It's just like we none of us understood why he brought that rumor in and why did he feel like it was going to be something that he needed to use for for the conversation. I don't know if he was trying to tell Michelle or see if Michelle like saw that he was like trying to look out for her, but it didn't turn out that way and then it ended up buying him in the butt. Yeah, how did you feel watching the episode back and then like hearing what Jamie had to say about some of you and the guys really putting you guys down, And to be honest, we it is crazy. It is it is watched it watching those episodes like that's not how Jamie talked in front of the guys when he's like he's one of the best guys there and he feels like he has like a leg up. He says something along those sides where he just felt like he was the best dude there. But during the whole group like when we're in the group setting, Jamie was one of the guys that was just like, Yo, this is so great. What we're gonna get to take away from this experience? Like, think about it, guys, just like we're here with a great group of men, and oh, we could each pick something from each guy and become met or man ourselves. And that was his whole outlook, and we were like, we're all thinking like, oh, he's a good dude. He's a good dudes. To watch his interviews now, it's just like, Yo, I don't know Jamie like I thought I kind of knew Jamie. But there's two different sizes to Jamie. And I'm able to see that now because he's saying he's saying some things in his views that he didn't have the courage to come up and say it to the guys or in the whole group of guys, you know who Jamie is. Jamie is Regina George from Mean Girls, where he'll go up with somebody and be like, that is the cutest skirt I've ever seen? Where is it from? And then the person turns away and he goes, that's the ugliest effing skirts I've ever seen. It seems like he has like this superiority complex where he just feels like he is better. Like he you know, even in his interviews, he made it seem like he is a step ahead of all of you guys, and that he has everything in the bag and that you guys, none of you guys are on the same level as him. And so now knowing how he was to all of your faces in a group setting and maybe even in one on one settings, and then seeing how he talks about you in the interviews and away from you all, have you confronted him like over the phone? Has anyone brought that up to him? Like where do you stand with him now? Um? No, nobody. I don't think anybody has confronted him. I haven't confronted Jamie. Um. It was something that Michelle handled and she had the right away. Um, she had like a queen. But I did not confront Jamie at all after that. But it's just like I'm able to see who Jamie is for his true colors, and I'm able to be aware of that and keep my distance. But um, I don't know if anybody else addressed it. I didn't feel like it was for me to address it. Um, when I do see him, I feel like I would say something to him, like because it did take away from from our time, and that's something that we're all fighting for, is just time. And this is another road ceremony where you see Michelle upset and it's like every time she was upset, it got to us. It got to me. It got to me that it's just like she's upset again. Why why are we keep doing this? This is supposed to be a happy experienced. It's supposed to be where we finally love. Why are we bringing it down? Why are we bringing her down to the point where she's in tears or she feels like her characters being question It's just like if you if you're going to question her character, why is he even sign up? Like I signed up just because I knew who Michelle was. I was able to see a little bit of like Matt season too, when they told me I was going to go on to see what type of woman she was, And that's why I was here because of Michelle. So if you're gonna question it, if you're gonna question the process, you're gonna question her, then you might as well just walk out. And you see that that Michelle, like a true queen, just handles her shit and walks them out. M hm. I was saying, men to that, I, like a true queen. Is right. Well, now that Jamie's gone, can you give us a one sentence teaser of what's to come this season and what we could possibly expect now that the drama might be out of the way, can you give us a little taste was coming? Um? Yeah, oh shoo, let me see. I don't know if we should be excited or nervous. For me, like for my personal experience, I was excited because this is like, this is where I felt like I could finally get in full stride, like I could finally there's we're getting rid of the snakes, we got rid of Ride, we got rid of Peter, we got got rid of Jamie. So it's like, Okay, I feel like we have a good group of guys. Now, I feel like we have true generale guys that want to be there for the right reasons. But then um more more guys, more more than true colors start showing, and it's it's very hard because, like, if you don't know who you are going through this, a lot of your flaws start to show quickly because you are around a lot of big dudes, alpha males. There's a lot of strong personalities. So you really have to be confident within your own skin to be able to navigate in that type of world. Because if if you are questioning who you are, your character or who who you are within the group of guys, we're able to see that. And it's just it's more snakes. That's what I'm going to see, more snakes. So Grass cut low and get rid of them. One by one, guys, the best one rin, Are you going to have given up? Oh my god, I can't wait. I mean, I know that you both were there, you lived through much of it, but I have no idea what's to come. I cannot wait. I mean just that one sentence alone, Goldrum, and I can't wait to see more of you before we let you go. We love to play our games on Bachelor Happy Hours. So we're gonna do a little bachelorette superlatives. So basically, we're gonna give you just a most likely to example and then you'll just have to finish the sentence with the name of someone in Michelle's group of guys that you think best fits and it just can be rapid fire and have fun with it. And if it's you, you can say you any of the names. Um, it's fair games. So Tasha, you want to kick it off, let's do it. Yeah? Okay. So most likely to get the party started. Uh, Ronnie Ronnie Rodney fans of Rodney. Okay. Most likely to start the drama. Peter Pizza. Wait did he ever make pizza for you guys? Did anyone try any No, he just dropped the dough on the floor. Yeah he never did. He wanted to so bad and missed opportunity one day he poisoned your piece. Wat Okay. Most likely to get the guys laughing. Um, let me see, let me see. There's a few funny guys within the group. I'm has to go with the Ronney again. The Ronnie Ronnie was good vibes, good vibes to be around, and I was around Rodney. My cheeks for her, like my cheeks were her just for laughing or huge Rodney fans at least. I I don't want to speak flirtation, but I mean, ready, who is most likely to start a dance party? The dance party? Oh, let me see. I would say Leroy. Leroy is like a quiet least. He's a smooth hacker. He's so smooth and such a clever dude that I would say Leroy Lero has that little swack to him that I hope you guys get to see in the upcoming episodes. Leroy hold a note on us, buddy, I love that. Okay. Most likely to cheat to win a group date? Most likely to cheat to win a group date? Um, I'm gonna say Spencer because during the whole Mister Maverick we had to do, we had to do pushups and Spencer was holding his pushups as I was doing my pushups, so he was kind of cheating trying to beat me in the push up competition. Oh, I got to see that firstand so I was a Spencer. But Spencer is a good dude, but he was trying to do what he had to do. To in a date jug Who was most likely to steal Michelle first at a cocktail party? Um, most likely to steal her first, Jamie. Jamie was the guy that, like first night, stole her first, and um, yeah, I would say Jamie, Okay. Most likely to skinny dip in the pool. Um, I would say Daniel Daniel Tooley Daniel. Most likely to go to bed first first. That was me. That was I was trying. I was so tired like some of the days, but I was just having so much fun, like every time I got on a group day. That is that I was. I was exhausted a lot of times, and I was one of the guys that's just like, okay, what else do we have to do? And I was just trying to get my minoring. I was just trying to get good rest so I could put my best foot forward. Most likely to change lives one slice at a time. Oh, I don't think he has changes the lives one look plays at a time. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't like it. Let's I gotta say. I want to try this pizza just to see what the hype's all about. Me too, I want to try it. But I want to see it being made because the preparation behind it. Oh God, he wants to make sure it's not all you know, Oh it's all clean ingredients. You know what I mean? I get again a fresh clean ingredients, vegan, gluten free exactly. Will It has been such an absolute pleasure having you on and just getting to know you a little bit more. Like I said at the beginning, this is why we love having guys from the season on, because we actually get to know you for you and just you know, see the men behind the screen. So thank you for joining Happy Hour today. Absolutely, thank you guys for having me. I was a pleasure and I had fun doing this. Yeah, get seeing you again. Have a good fun, do you guys? It has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you to our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners for tuning in, and a huge thank you to free Willie for being here. Make sure you guys hit us up on social at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram, at Batch Nation on TikTok and Twitter, and then Bachelor Nation on Facebook. And as always, if you never want to miss an episode with us, please don't forget to subscribe. You can do that on Apple Podcast, Spotify, the wondering app or wherever you are listening to our lovely angelic voices right now thinks that is right. See you later, boys and girls. M.