Trump's Trade War Upended by Courts; Nvidia Rallies on Upbeat Forecast

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are the stories we're following today.
Karen, we begin with new developments in the global trade war.
A three judge panel of the US Court of International
Trade has blocked many of President Donald Trump's tariffs on
imports from dozens of countries. The court has declared them illegal,
throwing his tariff strategy into turmoil. We get more from
Bloomberg News Senior editor Derek Wallbank.
All of the Liberation's Day stuff that Donald Trump did,
the ten percent global reciprocal tariffs, the reciprocal trade deficit
based tariffs that were put on top of that, all
of that's done under this emergency authority, and essentially what
the court said was you can't do that, and you
have ten days to undo that. Now, the Trump administration
is appealing this decision, so it's possible that the US
Supreme Court may ultimately have the final say. It also
puts negotiations with foreign countries into a bit of a
question mark formation because the Trump administration now is negotiating
from a position of substantial more weakness, because there's a
possibility that even as countries negotiate, there may not be
a full threat on the other side of the Ledger.
Bloomberg New Senior editor Derek Wallbank says the ruling does
not affect President Trump's first term levies on many imports
from China or sectoral duties planned or already imposed on
goods including steel and.
Again, Nathan As We heard that Trump administration is already
promising to appeal. A White House spokesman says unelected judges
should not have the power to decide how to properly
address a national emergency. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnek says the
tariffs are an important foreign policy tool and a filing
in this case. Lutenik says India and Pakistan only agreed
to a ceasefire this month after President Trump offered both
countries trading access, and even after the court's ruling, Japan's
top trade negotiator is still headed to Washington today for
a fourth round of talks with the US.
As for the Wall Street reaction, Karen Goldman Sachs says
the ruling is only a temporary set back to the
president's trade agenda and can be offset by other taxes.
The Bank says the judgment halts six point seven percentage
points of levies announced this year, and the White House
could use other tariff tools to make up for that.
For full tarff coverage, stay with Bloomberg today, we speak
with White House Trade Counselor Peter Navarro. That's at eight
forty five Wall Street Time on Bloomberg Radio, Bloomberg Television,
and the Bloomberg Podcasts page on YouTube.
Before this decision came down, Nathan wall Street, analysts have
been debating whether President Trump is willing to follow through
on his trade threats. A columnist for The Financial Times
coined the phrase the taco trade, as in Trump always
chickens out. President Trump was asked about it, and when
Whitehouser Marx heard on Bloomberg Radio.
Kicking out, I've never heard that.
You mean, because I reduced China from one hundred and
forty five percent that I set down to a high
hundred and then down to another number, and I said,
you have to open up your whole country. And because
I gave the European Union a fifty percent tax tariff,
and they called up and they said, please, let's meet
right now.
Please, let's meet right now.
President Trump says when it comes to backing away from
high tariff rates, it's called negotiation.
Well, Karen, markets are getting a lift on the tariff ruling.
They are also seeing a boost from earnings from Nvidia.
Sales for the AI chip giant rose better than expected
sixty nine percent to forty four point one billion dollars,
and Nvidia says it expects revenue in the second fiscal
quarter to come in at about forty five billion. That's
despite new export restrictions costing about eight billion dollars in
Chinese revenue. We got reaction from Bloomberg Intelligence senior analyst
man Deep Singh.
Had it not been for the China right down, this
company would have posted revenue which was five percent higher
than the forty four billion dollar number, and the guide
would have been almost fifteen to twenty percent higher. So
we're talking about eight billion in lost revenues. So clearly,
whatever they're doing, they are able to make up that
revenue lost in China with some other customers because it's
in line with consensus.
That's Bloomberg Intelligence senior analyst man Deep saying, and shares
of Nvidia are up more than five percent in early trading.
Nathan and Vidio CEO Jensen Wong is warning that Chinese
AI rivals are now more formidable. In an interview with
Bloomberg after the earnings report, Wong say's companies like Whuawei
and others are filling the void left by the American
departure from the Chinese market.
Without American technology, the availability of Chinese technology will fill
the market. And so you know, whatever we offer has
to at least at least be competitive and has to
add value to the market.
And Nvidio Jensen Wong added that US restrictions on exports
to China have effectively locked in Vida out of the country.
He joined Bloomberg's Ed Ludlow for a special edition of
Bloomberg Technology. For the full conversation, head over to the
Bloomberg podcast channel on YouTube.
And Karen, there are new sources of tensions this morning
between the US and China. The US plans to start
aggressively revoking Chinese student visas. Let's get the latest done
that with Bloomberg's Lisa Matteo.
Lisa, good morning, Good morning.
Nathan is Secretary of State Mark or Rubio making that
announcement in a statement saying that it would include those
with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in
critical fields. Now, the US will also be taking a
closer look at future visa applications from the People's Republic
of China and Hong Kong and that decision. While it
comes just weeks after the US and China negotiated a
truce in their tower for and now, China blasting the move,
its Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mounting, calling it quote politicized and discriminatory,
adding that it's only going to further undermine the US's
image in the world and national reputation. China had the
second most students in the US of any country in
twenty twenty four, just behind India. Lisa Matteo Bloomberg Radio.
All Right, Lisa, thank you. Elon Musk time as formal
advisor to President Trump is coming to a close as
his business empire remains in flux. Bloomberge. John Tucker joins
us with the latest. John, Good morning, Hey, Good morning, Karen.
This move comes shortly after he gave an interview on
CBS critical of President Trump's biggest legislative priority is not
doing enough to reduce federal deficits.
I was like disappointed to see the massive spending vote. Frankly,
which increases the budge, deps that not does decrease it,
and that reminds the work that the Dosch team.
Is doing well.
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for instance, fell to a nearly three year low in
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All right, John, thank you, and Tesla plans to launch
it's long awaited robotaxi service in Texas on June twelfth,
that's two weeks from today. Bloomberg News has learned the
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test with no one behind the wheel. Sources tell Bloomberg
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Tesla plans to start with a fleet of around ten
self driving robotaxis in Austin, before expanding to one thousand
within a few months.
Much time now for a look at some of the
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Doctor Sidway spoke to ABC. Harvard says many of its
foreign students are seeking to transfer from the university. It
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particularly Harvard by casting them as ideologically biased and is
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This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager.
A centerpiece of President Donald Trump's economic agenda has just
been upended. The US Court of International Trade has ruled
the President's liberation de tariff's illegal, giving him up to
ten days to start removing them. Stocks are rallying this morning,
but Prince Blasset Management Chief Global strategist see Miashaw says
she's not sure this will last.
President Trump is going to find of the means to
push through his agenda. I think if anything, actually just
prolongs the uncertainty.
Seemshaw with Principal Asset for this morning. We're joined by
Bloomberg New Senior editor Bill Ferries. Bill, Good morning. Walk
us through this decision and what this means for where
President Trump's trade agenda stands now, Good morning.
Good morning, Nathan. Yeah, it is a potential body blow
to the Trump administration's plan for tariffs and a big
source of revenue. We'll have to see how this plays out.
But the US Trade Court here ruling unanimous three to
zero decision that the Trump administrations. Many of the Trump
administration's tariffs are illegal and have to be removed within
ten days. This is not all of the tariffs, but
it's a lot of the ones we're most familiar with
from the last few months in office. They include the
tariffs against China, Mexico, and Canada over the trade and fentanyl,
that kind of ten percent across the board, flat rate
tariff against just about every country in the world. That's
the tariff. Those reciprocal tariffs are getting in the middle
negotiations right now. There are still some tariffs, mostly dating
back to the first Trump administration, that remain in place.
But the court essentially argued here that the administration's use
of a national security threat to impose these tariffs was
not valid. They said, listen, things like fentanyl, things like
the trade deficit that the administration cited, they may be
problems for the US, but they're not national security threats
that allow you to do this. So the Justice Department
has already announced that they plan to appeal the decision.
It could be at the Supreme Court within a matter
of probably weeks, and we don't know how that will go.
But for right now, you see the market reaction. It
is potentially a big blow against this administration.
So while this potentially continues to play out in court, bill,
what could this mean for trade flows? What could this
mean for trade negotiations that presumably are still underway.
It really just throws another volatile ranch into the whole process.
So you have those negotiations ongoing. I think they're going
to continue as you're as that quote you used in
the leading into the segment said, President Trump is a
he's a tariff guy.
It's his favorite tool he is.
If this is ruled out, he's going to try to
find another tool that allows him.
To impose tariffs.
So I think it mostly just means the uncertainty and
the volatility are going to continue for a while.
In our last thirty seconds, could this be overridden by Congress?
I understand there's a bill that would give the president
broad tariff authority.
Is that going anywhere? Well, there's always that potential.
I mean, we haven't seen. You know, every vote in
Congress continues to go down to the wire because of
the tight margins the Republicans have. I don't think you're
going to get a lot of Democratic votes for that
kind of legislation. So, but the president does have other tools.
He used them in his first term. He may have
to try to use them again if this ruling stands Okay.
Bill Ferries, senior editor for Bloomberg News, on the breaking
news from overnight to many of President Donald Trump's tariffs
deemed illegal in US international court.
Karen Nathan repeating some of our top stories this morning.
President Trump is bristling at the idea of a taco
trade around his tariff threats, or Trump always chickens out,
The president says when he backs away from high tariff threats,
it's called negotiation.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the US will start
aggressively revoking visas for Chinese students, with a focus on
links to the Chinese Communist Party. China says the move
will harm people to people relations.
Annie La Moss says his time as a formal advisor
to President Trump is coming to a close. The billionaire's
role as a special government employee was set to run
as soon as tomorrow. We have more on those stories
coming up on Bloomberg Daybreak. But now you want to
turn back to our interview with Nvidia CEO Jensen Wong.
He joined Bloomberg Technology host ed Ludlow after the chip
giant reported an outbeat sales forecast. Long says Nvidia is
still poised for exponential growth, and he also taught competition
in China.
Let's listen in.
We got a whole bunch of engines firing right now.
The biggest one, of course, is the reasoning AI inference.
The demand is just off the charts.
You see the popularity of all these AI services now, Chat, GBT, Gemini,
you know, so on and so forth, GROC. I mean,
they're just doing incredibly well across the board, and all
of the APIs that they serve out and all the
agentic AI services that are built on top of them,
they're all doing incredibly well. I think that there's just
a giant breakthrough in AI's capability, and inferencing has just
become a giant workload. Second, people realize that Blackwell is
just a home run Vealing seventy two is a home
run architecture. We designed it to be a thinking machine,
a reasoning AI system. And I think people now the
confluence of the breakthrough and reasoning AI and the availability
that now the emergence of Grace Blackwell and vealing seventy two,
perfect timing. I think that that's at the core a
big part of it. And the second part of it
is that our supply chain is growing and we're really
ramping it up, and they're doing fantastically for us, and
so all of these things are all coming together, and.
So it is fair to say that some of that
additional supply on Blackwell and the demand for black Bell
kind of made up for the opportunity lost in China,
at least in the outlook for this current period.
Yeah, I guess so.
But you can't underestimate the importance of the China market.
This is the second largest AI market. This is the
home of the world's largest population of AI researchers, and
we want all of the world's AI researchers and all
of the world's developers to be building on American stacks.
And so, irrespective of the nearer term revenue success that
we have, we can't ignore the fact that the Chinese
market is very important.
You explained again in some detail that at least in
the Hopper architecture, you have engineered down to the lowest
spec possible.
It's not possible to do.
Anything different with Hopper for the Chinese market. But in
your consideration for a different architecture or a chip for
the Chinese market, is that what we're talking about, a
new design or new class And have you made that
proposal to the administration just designing from the ground up
a new chip.
We're still thinking through that.
They're just the limitations are quite quite stringent, quite limited,
if you will. H twenty is as far down as
we could take a hopper. We don't know how to
make it even even less, and so that's really the limit.
But but so there aren't there are you know, the
limitations are quite stringent, so we have we have to
really think through it. Whatever we make ultimately has to
add value to the market. And so it's it's a
really tight rope because because the Chinese competitors have evolved
and advanced greatly over the last year, like everybody else,
they're you know, doubling, quadrupling their capabilities every year, and
the volume is increasing substantially. And remember these are data
center chips.
They don't have to be.
Small, they could be quite large, and and and you
know they without American technology, the availability of Chinese technology
will fail the market. And so you know, we whatever
we offer has to at least at least be competitive
and has to add value to the market.
Tensen, does Juawei have an AI accelerator or a GPU
that is performance is H twenty or is performance of
other classes of GPU that you.
Make Huawei's technology, based on our best understanding at the moment,
and we have a lot of ground truth there is
probably comparable to an Age two hundred. They've been moving
quite fast, and they've also offered this news system called
cloud Matrix that is scales up to even a larger
system than our latest generation Grace Blackwell. Huawei, as you know,
is a formidable technology company, and they're not sitting still
and they look for ways to look for ways to compete.
They're quite formidable.
And that was in Vidia CEO Jensen Wong speaking with
Ed Ludlow on a special edition of Bloomberg Technology following
the AI chip Giant's latest earnings. For some more morning
after reaction, we're joined by Dan Ives, global head of
Technology research at Webbush Securities. Great to have you back
with us, Dan, I know you've been bullish on Nvidia
for some time, so I'll ask these latest results from
the AI chip Giant meet or exceed your expectations.
Good morning, exceed.
The godfather of AI, Jensen Nvidio delivered in a huge
fashion because even when you take out the China number
demand that ship and supply EA to one. And I
think this is what investors wonder focus. I'm goad to
ask about it in terms of Middle East sovereigns. There's
one ship in the world, few on the AI revolution,
and that's in videos.
When you hear Jensen Wang say that the Chinese AI
market is quadrupling their abilities, does that give you any
reason to have any concern about where Nvidia could be
going from here.
I think that's the smart mood that he's saying, because
the reality is is that he doesn't want Trump because
of the restrictions essentially having in video handing over a
good piece of their China business to Walway. And that's
a sense of what's happening to about eight billion in
the next quarter. You know that that basically they had
to take out because of it. So I think it's
this is all a game of high stakes poker. And
that's a little shot across the bow from Jensen to
Trump saying, look, you stop tying our hands behind our back,
let us go after the China market.
Well, if the.
Hands are tied behind the back, at least for now.
I mentioned the eight billion dollars in potential China revenue
that they're going to have to write down in the
next quarter.
How do you see in video making that up?
Look, Middle East and sovereigns are going to make up
a good piece. Okay, eight's one, so they want ultimately
a seat in the front the China. But when you
look over the long term, China is going to have
to be a market that reopens in video, and I
think Trump administration recognized that to some extent. Jensen recognized that,
And I think the market is basically saying, like, look,
in video without China is probably a four trillion or marquas.
Any improvement on these negotiations and you get to a
much higher stop because there's only one ship that's feeling
the AI revolution. It's a video.
So do you see in video providing any other products
that could fill the gap, at least in the short term.
Wog mentioned that the H two zero chip can't necessarily
fill that gap as much as he'd like, But are
there other tools in the toolbox for in video?
In China.
Well, I think there are, and I think that the
market is basically reading through and saying, over the next
three to six months, they're going to figure out some
strict did ship that they could basically sell into China.
And that's why the eight billion next quarter, it's probably
half of that that ultimately disappears, right. I think they're
definitely going to get back a piece of that. But Nathan,
when you think about autonomous robotics, the use cases consumer,
it's a fourth Industrial revolution and that is not being
stopped this AI party. It's still ten pm. It was
nine pm, and it goes to four am, and Trump's
not shutting down that AI party in.
The time we have left, Dane, I want to get
your reaction to this ruling from the US Trade Court
on President Trump's tariffs deeming them illegal. What does that
mean for the market structure going forward?
I think it just this has been the anticipation about
this ruling, what was going to come through, and I
think it just shows that a lot of these tariffs,
like trump mistation, is going to have to fight through
to ultimately try to get them back, and the market's
basically saying not so fast. It's bullish, and I think
it shows to some sort of compromise that they're going
to have to come to. Because you can't bully the courts,
you can't bully the market. And I think more and
more you're seeing the Trump administration takes steps back on
these towers. So you've seen it step by step, take
steps back since April second.
So just quickly, the taco trade is a thing for you.
Look, I think the reality is where the boy cry wolf.
However you want to think about it. EU being a
good example, Friday Memorial Day, forty eight hours later, the
wait a month Apple moving iPhone production to the US.
That's a fairytale. So you have to you have to
get to what the reality is of the situation versus
the threats and the market's trying to game it out.
And that's why I write Now the bears they're in
their caves in hibernation mode and they're scared with paper.
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