Alien with Eliza Skinner

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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi, welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin, and this is our podcast about how women are portrayed in movies. Yeah, it's the Beck Dol Cast is ah and so today my first time talking to anybody today. So that's Oh, I don't know how to string a sense together. I only talked to So. I talked to someone at the DMV today. He was very nice. His name was Arnold, and he's like, why don't you have a driver's license? And I was like, honestly, it's a really long story and and he was like, Okay, don't worry about it's mine. So we're very close. Now good. Yeah. Last time I was at the d m V, I cried in public because I failed the written test do you have to take like in California. I had to switch over my Massachusetts license and I had to retake the written test, which I did not pass because they asked me questions were not relevant to me at all. They're like, how do you strap in a car seat or something like that, and I was like, I ain't never having kids? Was that not an option? That was not an option that was that did not let me choose that, That was not like, f ain't never having kids? Unbelievable. The system is ringed. It really is. Yeah, away to arn all that window for the Glendale d MV. He saw my birth certificate today, which is good. It's amazing. I still have it because I've been passing it around a stand up stuff recently, just to like why. I don't know, but I don't know. People enjoy it though? Cool? Yeah, Hey, should we talk about movies? I don't know. Okay, all right, let's talk about movies. As we mentioned, this is a podcast about the portrayal of female characters in movies. Whoops, A lot of movies don't do it very well. We're gonna call it out. But this movie actually does well. We'll talk about it. But we're here with a guest, and let's introduce her again. I'm very bad at talking today. I I wish I was drunk. Okay, where is the Mike's hard? Where is it? Anyway? Our guests here with us today. She's a very funny stand up comic. She is a writer on The Late Late Show with James Cordon, and she has her own podcast called Angry Little Goats, which she co hosts with Will Weldon, who you might remember from our Mad Max Fury Road episode Friend of the Cast, Friend of the episode we got all that hate mail about, Yeah, we did from all those steam punks, and now we have a new friend of the cast. Our guest, Ali is this skinner. Thanks for being here, Thank you for having me. Yeah kind of? Did you really get hate mail? When Will came on? We well, it was specifically about It wasn't as much as we would love to blame him for it. Uh No, I think I was the target of posts of the vitriol. Well, because we did uh Mad Max Herey Road was the episode we did with Will and I, I guess called out the steampunk culture a little too hard. I guess I was a little too tough on the steampunks. And apparently the steampunks are listening to the podcast because hello steampunk. Hey, shout out to all of all you dirty steampunks out there. We still got we still have beef. I think that maybe steampunk suit that's the only okay prejudice to have versus steampunks. I think it's I don't even know if it's that much of a real thing. Like I worked on the show When to preach into the cho where we were like, hey, we need to find steampunk people like as far as like a lifestyle thing, and nobody. No, we couldn't find anybody. We found. We ended up finding one lady who when she showed up, She's like, oh no, this isn't my life. If I just have this outfit and get paid to wear it for parties. Sometimes I'm like, oh, well, there are festivals. I got a group onto a steampunk festival once because I just wanted to face my fears. Did you go? Yeah? I went? Was it super fun? It wasn't. It was upset everyone. There were just gears and and suede vests. It was disgusting. Made me sick. Well, hey, the movie we're talking about, I think has no trace of steampunk culture. Culture in this one for that base culture. The a lot of space culture. Because the movie we're talking about is Alien yea from nineteen seventy nine, directed by Ridley Scott Eliza. Yes, When did you first see this movie? What's your history with it? Gosh, I don't know. I must have probably seen it for the first time in high school. I remember when Aliens came out because they're the cover of Mad Magazine was like one of the first Mad magazines I had. They did a parody of it, and I didn't understand at all, but I was like fascinated. So then when I was older, I saw that. So you saw Aliens before Aliens? Yes? Um? And uh so yeah. I must have been in high school when I finally saw Alien. Got you? What about you, Jamie Yesterday? Nice? Really? Yeah? Wow? As do you like sci fi? Um? I don't even know that. I like movies very much. I like I like cartoons and television, but I and true crime. So did you know? What did you know about it going into it? Um? I knew that I had to keep reminding myself that it was not Aliens, which I watched the first ten minutes of before realizing I should be watching Alien. Shoot that spoiled so much stuff for you? Yeah, I mean it did. But also, I you know, sci fi is like not my area of extreme interest, so I was sort of going into this one, like, all right, we're gonna through this. We're going to get through this, Jamie, It's going to be fine. I got some Jack in the box. I honkered down and watched the first ten minutes of Aliens, and then all of the like why is Bill Paxton? And this I Oh my God, and then I and then I wanted to watch Big Love, but it wasn't an option. Time was of the essence well, like yeah, because one of the interesting things I think about Alien is uh that initially watching it, audiences didn't know who the protagonist was going to be, right, Yeah, So it sorts so kind of unfolds and an interesting way the the the evolution of each character. I had enough peripheral knowledge of like sigurity, we like, I knew who was the focus. But other than that, I was just like, it takes place in space, and there's a movie that is frustratingly sounds exactly like it that I will get confused with. But it's space working class. It's true. Yes, yeah, they're like what type of or we don't know. I'm not important space or moon or I saw the movie, I think probably in college for the first time, and I think I saw Aliens like right after it too, But that's are the only two I've seen. I have not I'll be honest, I prefer Aliens. I think I do too. I think the Alien is the better movie and certainly better acted, because my goodness, does Bill Paxton give an insane performance in Aliens. But I don't talk about this, I will flip out, I know. I mean, he's enjoyable to watch. He's given some pretty cheesy dialogue and his acting is extremely over the top, which I think is perfectly appropriate. From Time and Twister. He's awful, but yeah, he's He's capable of performances that ranged from bad to good. Yep, that's all right, But yeah, I think Aliens is definitely more my speed of like an action guns and stuff. Again, I'm very good with words today, but they're they're creeping around. Yeah, it's honestly, I did not ever really draw this parallel until the recent rewatch of Aliens. But it is quite similar to Jurassic Park, and it's in terms of it's like story structure at least um, which is one of my favorite movies ever. So I was like, oh man, this is basically just like Jurassic Park. But with aliens instead of dinosaurs. Anyway, Jamie, did did you like the movie? Did you like Alien? I did. I enjoyed it as much as I could enjoy a sci fi movie, Like I know, like it's it's definitely not my wheelhouse, but I I you know, it's like, once you get into it, you're like, Okay, there's gonna be a creature. It's gonna be covered in goop. We're gonna we're gonna beat the creature up more goop. So I was ready for creatures and goop, So dread it. What is your whalehouse? If that's not my wheelhouse? Is kind of all over at the board. I like old. I mean most of the movies I like are older, which we don't usually cover here. Mid century older Like yeah, like forties and fifties is much better. Female characters back then, uh some complex? Yeah, A lot of times. I think they let them be. They at least have personalities, even when therefore, you know, confined to the house. Um. I love sci fi, but I have a real bias against boy stories. Um stories that are just like all about dudes from a male point of fel Like, I really it's not I don't look at them and then judge them. I just honestly cannot connect with them. But I love sci fi, and so I've found a lot of um sci fi that kind of works around that for me, especially books. You've probably even like my love of sci fi books kind of brought me into well, it's time for the Caitlin Rique. Caitlin Rique. This story revolves around a crew on a spacecraft called the Stroma and they have just come back from mining the Moon or or whatever. They're woken up from there like hyper sleep because there's a distress signal or something like that coming from a planet. They're like, oh man, we gotta go check it out. And it's a crew of seven people. There's Dallas played by Tom Scarrett. He's the captain. Then we've got Brett, which is Harry Dean Stanton Kine's played by John hurt Ash is Ian Holme. Parker is yaw Fit Kdo. Then we've got ripley Okay, Silgournia Weaver, and then Lambert which is Veronica cart right, and don't forget Jones e the cat anyway, introducing m Jones as himself. You know that apparently that it was originally all male characters. M it doesn't surprise me one it Yeah, it was written, um all supposedly written gender neutral, but that means men they're with the mast man. And I've heard one of the drafts of it was done by Walter Hill, who did for forty eight hours another forty hours in Streets of Fire and a bunch of stuff. Um and he just change he has writing partner, changed those two characters and two women, but then didn't change any of the other dialogue, which I think is son and yeah, like a smart thing to be taken away from that. I mean Amy Pohler at one point and Knows famously quoted as saying someone was like, they don't know how to write for women. She like, just write a man and then give it a woman's name. Just write a person, because guess what women are? People? Whoa what crazy? Crazy? That's interesting, I mean, And that checks out with Ripley's character. Is there's not I don't know there's she's not put upon as a like that's not central to the plot, which I thought was kind of refreshing, Like it is very like cold and unlikable. Yeah, would you never get to see I mean, or if you do it's like extremely demonized, and that's very rarely. You know, the central character, which is nice. Yeah, because people love bad boys, bad boy, people love seven seasons of a prestige bad boy. But we never get we never get even ninety minutes of a bad girl. Yeah. Yeah, back to the very good recap. It's okay. We encourage tangents. That's what this podcast is all about. So they're on a ship and they're awoken because there's like a weird distress signal of some sort coming from a planet. So they go to check it out and a few of the guys are like, oh man, what's this weird alien ship it's on this planet. And John Hurt is like, oh man, there's some weird pods. Better go look inside one. And then a weird hand a lien is what I would like to describe it as, or attaches itself to John Hurt's face face hugger ugger, that's what we call him Facebook. And they're like, oh jeez, John, let's get you back to the ship. And Ripley he goes straight through his helmet. Yeah, and the face is a very intimate face. One of the well, I mean those and the pods are like the beginning of the the overt sexual imagery, like really really gross. Oh yeah, there's because pussies are gross. Uh. They're like, we gotta get John back on the ship and Ripley is like, oh, that's kind of like breaking protocol. He's got to go through quarantine. She's straight up as like, no way, that's that's against protocol. That's not happening. No, and it all like everything would have been fine if they just listen to her. But everybody's like what a count Yikes, rules were made to be broken. So we all had killed by alien. Be cool about it? Rip, Yeah, totally. So they've they let him with the face hugged John hurt onto the spacecraft and he's in a comma and they're like how do we get this thing off? And they try to cut it off and then it bleeds acid and they're like, oh funk man, that's crazy. And then all of a sudden he's alive and well again, so like well this is fine, and then he gives birth through his chest. Basically yeah, there's a lot of birth and oh yeah, yeah, there's just dicks lots of birth. The when the face huggers on him, you know, like so like what's happening is he's impregnated. Yeah, it's impregnant. So he's like basically shoving his face hugger dick down his throat kind And one of the things I find kind of funny about it is after it dies, like after it falls off, and it's just like dead, and I'm like, dude, I get it, like New City right at this point, just like, don't even touch me. I just want to be a dead spider thing. I already juiced down your throat. So that's it for me. Speaking of jizz slick transition, Ian holme ak ash Ak the cyborg robot spoil full of jizz. Yeah, he's got jizz blood, man, the worst kind of blood. Yeah, there's no will and I actually talked about it on the podcast a few weeks ago that we're like, what's the worst kind of sci fi blood? We're both like milk blood, but it's really jizz blood. Yeah, it's the worst, totally covered with Yeah, I just get to head skipping. Take a few screenshots there. Yeah, yeah, just for you know, I feel like that's the kind of screenshot get you to send him like a like like a sexy right i'd be like, oh wow, me after seeing roast, I'm just covered in scoop. Spiritually speaking, yeah, of course. So John hurts like man, things are great, and then he an alien burst out of his chest, killing him, and then the aliens like all right, he I'm gonna go hide over here now. So like, oh, show, we gotta go catch this thing, and the crew starts looking for it, and somehow, in a span of it seems like a few hours, Yeah, come here, it grows to adulthood, and I don't know, a day or something. It's crazy so fast it feels like a day. But I feel like they don't place enough, like you know, like coming of age nostalgia and in regards to how quickly they really don't want to aliens journey was adulthood? Where was? I never realized until you just said that that that was the same alien. I was just like, suddenly, there's all these aliens on the ship, Like I didn't get that it was the same one who grew up. I'm dumb. I mean, they don't. It's it's confusing because it's literally a baby fetus alien basically. And then in the next scene you see it, which is pre probably a few hours later you have gotten like a few like like some like screeching, growing pain sort of moments of it. I feel like that would have a call like like like a shadowy like or like found some some some leftover skins. Well, Harry de San does do that, like yeah, but and I was probably like it's all the aliens. That's like a sci fi horror trope that I like when when creatures are growing and then you see like their their shoulder blade like pop out and and they shed and there's more goop. I think that that's my generalization of the genre, just with the pussy goop. Yeah, pussy give it a little dick goup to. Yeah, well, the full size alien is a dick with a pussy with is Oh wait is this for children? I think, uh no, yes, we have an audience that reaches like ages seven to twelve, so we're gonna have to a is a nanny with a cuckoo. And I have never heard any of those words to describe any genitalia. I'm having fun. I was like, oh no, am I missing? But they sounded right right, They sounded good, Okay, they that sounded like a fun way to to tell a child. What's to call her? Dick? Hey, nanny nanni and that's a cuckoo? Wait which one's which nanny is? I think a nanny's a dick? And see I was saying the other man, okay, we could do lit r. I was thinking cuckoo because like I was thinking of a woodpecker. Yeah maybe it was. I don't know, yeah either, right, know what? Anything could be? Anything? So the crew goes off looking for this alien and they basically get killed one by one and then Ripley's like, all right, well, I guess I gotta fix everything, and then she escapes into the show old but a little surprise and the aliens there and she's like, well fuck you then and she blows out into space and the end so only she and Jones you the cat survived, except do you know the original ending? The original ending wasting? She makes her final like, um a little statement in the log the original ending is that the same statement, But then the camera reveals that the voice is coming out of the aliens, mad that she is dead and the alien is the only one who's living. And somehow the alien knows how to talk like people, which is it's the goofiest thing, but yeah, and the studio was like, hmmm, that seems goofy, let's not do that. And also it's a bummer so I would have I feel like if Sigourney Weaver's character was a man, I wouldn't mind that ending. Three Well, yeah, I mean it which or bother me less because that's still like a hokey and of like the alien it learned to speak English, which actually is kind of inspiring, and it's grew that fast. It should have a few degrees by the end of the thing. Fact, the alien should have a pH scene. I mean, it's not a good time to mention my master's degree in screenwriting. I don't like to bring it up, but you guys were the ones who mentioned it, so I think I did definitely do not mention my manager for that comment. Okay, we would disagree anyway. Also, the chest burster scene, Um, I can't be the alien person in the world who experienced seeing Spaceballs before seeing this. I also, yeah, so when it happened to Spaceballs, I didn't understand it, but I was like hilarious, and my mom was like, well, it's from this movie, and I was like, don't spoil it. I'm loving it. Yeah. I definitely saw Spaceballs along before I saw Alien and did not really get the reference. But now that I've seen Alien, oh, that seems even more hilarious. There is another like spoofy parody movie that you may be familiar with, hot Shots and Hot Shots Part Do. Hot Shots Part Do is one of my favorite movies ever, and it part Do Part Do and it parodies a number of films that I had not seen when I was but I still thought it was the funniest movie ever. I was like, man, this is hilarious, and then I but I didn't understand any of the references. Cool story, Caitlin. So this is basically a movie about Ripley, like the strong female character being like, hey, you guys, you're dumb. We should we should do this thing. That's the right choice. And everyone's like no, it's like that's really unlikable and it's unattractive, and she's like, oh, but it's the right thing to do, and they're like, we don't like you and you're never going to have your own TV show. And then I'm like, no, wait, this is about her, not me making it away too personally. Um, I mean, can we presume that the reason that the rest of the crew is always like, no, Ripley, We're doing it our way. Who cares about standard procedure. Can we presume that it's because she's a woman. Maybe, I don't know. I don't think I don't think it's because she's a woman, because it is like the compassionate choice when they do that there, it's never like should we have cake or pie? It's like should we Yeah, And so it's like I will say that I don't think it's because she's a woman, And I think that's part of the like future utopia they're trying to sell us, where it's like, look, there's all kinds of different ages of people and races of people, and they all work to get in genders of people and they get respected just as like whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's not super surprising to hear that the characters were sort of written with the intention of being not genderless, but um could be a man or a woman just because yeah, Sigourney Waver being a woman does not seem to factor in that much in the way that she's treated. I think that like what's most interesting about her character that wouldn't be interesting per se if she was a man. Was was the coldness and like the clinical like by the book attitude that. Yeah, I mean that would be a character as a man, but it wouldn't be unusual. Yeah, she's straight up on Michael Well. And they literally don't have her save the cat until the end. You must understand that with your degree. And again when I think it must have been so cool to see it and not know anything about it and just be like, who's that bitch? And I guess it's about this Dallas guy. He's the captain. I'm sure that's who this story is all about. Or you know these these fun love and engineer fellas her rapscallions. Um wait, so you guys find her unlikable because I think they kind of like pain. They do. But but she goes on a journey for sure. But I don't know. I'm like, I was on board with her from like minute one. I'm like, yeah, they shouldn't bring this guy who's been attacked by this face hugging alien creature. Yeah, it's probably gonna end poorly. Maybe do I think this because what I what I know of horror sci fi movie? Maybe? I mean, it's not called ship with No Alien on it right, you know when you're starting it, something's happened. But I really could also be that I am an unapologetic rule follower because I'm terrified of authority and I'm just like rules. I love rules. I wish I didn't hate myself because I do. I say f the rules. I like to buck authority. I'm actually the same way. And I did find that a way to kind of relate to her and respect her. But I but you could also see the whole rest of the crew was like in it for each other and like looking out for each other, and she's the one who's being the jerk. The way I saw that dynamic was like she's the boss, and the boss does not break the rules, and all the I guess subordinates as it were, are way more likely to break the rules. But she's not even the boss, Like she's not the captain and the ship or anything like that. She's not even his first command. Until a few other people die ashes like the science officer, I thought she and we sort of like, yeah, I'm not entirely Yeah, I don't really know what her role is because they're the ones who she she's like the they bicker about it. Because he clearly being who and what he is is like filled, let's get him in the ship. Yeah, I want to see. And then when when they bring him in and it's the face hugger through the helmet is just like an egg with a vagina in it. It's like the most there. This is like scary. Yeah. Apparently the pods, you know, the the eggy pod things that they find um and they kind of like open with the four pedals. It originally was just too it was just like yeah, and again the network was like, um, that's too much. Yeah there's yeah. They were like they said that they were scared they wouldn't be able to show it then like Catholic countries or so. Yeah, double the flaps, double the fun, that's what I say. Yeah. Oh I got an audible laugh from Aristotle. I got it. You earned it into Aristotle loves stubble flap. You guys gonna put that on a T shirt And I'm suggesting you should put that on the We're an enamel pin. Those are hip now right Oh yeah, people love the pins. Yeah, buttle picture of the egg the pod and a banner on it that says Aristotle loves double And then just let the people interpret it as sure that was Geiger hr Geiger, is that his name that does? Yes? Yes, yes, yeah. We needed all the like creepy space sex design there there seemed to be I mean, I don't know that, but like the practical effects in this movie we're so cool, especially for the era. Yeah, I mean even the scene where Ash's head is off and his body is like flapping around, um and he's clearly just like there with like the head flap kind of over him, but it still looks kind of flawless. It's pretty cool. Yeah, because there's I mean just a big mess these days. I don't know that. It just looked really I the crap out of it, and it would fake and it would be and the head would be floating. Uh. Yeah. The only part where I was like, oh, this is kind of dumb is like when the baby alien bursts out of the chest and like you see it kind of like scamper across the tape like that, like that it's clearly like someone doing some puppet tree that's not very good, and you're like, cute baby, or even the look like it burst out and it sort of looks at everyone but a baby. Yeah, it's a very like not the mama, are you my mama? And then uh or what's the Alison beckdel book that I can never remember the name of? Are you my mother? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's what it says when it bursts out of are you my mother? Yeah. I'm just I know that she's that Ripley is not like a warm character. She's like very by the book in terms of but and she does become like more in the Director's Cat there's a scene where, um, man, what's the other woman's name, Lambie now, where she straight up hits her when they come back in, just slaps her across the jaw. Yeah. I made a note that, like, it was kind of a bummer to see, like the two women characters that there are in this movie be kind of hostile to each other. But then I was like, wait, Ripley's just stile towards everyone because she's almost always telling someone to funk off or screening at their face, and it's justified. I think that, you know, women should these female characters should be allowed to have to be a full range. You don't always you're I also find it a little um obnoxious when it's all like cat fighting. But I didn't feel like that. No, no, I don't think that's happening here. Yeah, that was just really like, if you want to be real technical about it, not the only female character mother the ship, Mother the ship. So I was really hoping Jones was a girl cat so we could just have one more. Did they Did they nail down with the kind of cat? No? I guess not, but jon Z, maybe I just assumed based on the name that it was a boycat. But and again in Aliens, the cat becomes a little girl. I mean, it doesn't become a little girl, but like the same trans figures and to a girl. Like same role as Power one. The same role is done, but the plot device is a little girl instead. Oh and then um, and then yeah, the Queen Bee is a lady, a lady, she say, she calls mother a bit in this I think she calls the alien a bit to get away from your bit. YEA great line. Basically, I just like how throughout the entire story, Ripley is given a bunch of agency. She's making decisions that are usually not obeyed, but she's definitely playing an active, like a very active role in the story. So we're used to seeing female characters like, you know, I want to like, I'm just gonna sit here and not really do anything. You can stress about the decision, right, But she's just like, this is what we're doing. Listen to me, this is what has to happen. No one does and they pay the price for it. Yeah. So I just thought it was super cool to see her being like, funck off, you guys, listen to me, here's the right choice. Do what I say. You're painting a picture of yourself, like Ripley is badass. I wanted to talk a little bit about Lambert because of I read some background on her character, because I guess that Veronica cart Right arrived on set believing she was going to play Ripley and then they were like, actually, sorry, bitch your Lambert, and she was not happy with it. And but particular took issue with the character of Lambert and how Lambert is more fearful and expresses a lot of the fear. And I guess the function of that character or the way she was written was, you know, she represents the audience and like what we're feeling. Um, But I guess that Veronica cart Right took issue with that of like, why does that have to be the only female care trip besides Ripley Slash. What didn't no one tell me? I'm definitely that's the big question. That's actually what happened. Um, Because on the other hand, you could make a case for it's very interesting to have the audience to to expect the audience to relate to these two female characters in the most significant ways in this sci fi alien movie. Instead, because yeah, I didn't really feel any connection with anything that one except maybe Ash because we're introduced to him mostly as the one who's kind of pushing against Ripley. Everybody else was like they seem like cool dudes. I also find it interesting that it was it's a very classist kind of movie that you. I mean, they kind of moved away from that. But the whole beginning is then being like, you know, how many shares do we get? Like clearly they were willing to do whatever within reason just to get this payday. There's no executives aboard, there's no like higher socio economic class people in there. Um. The guy who comes across as though he is the one with the British accent, who seems much fancier he's not a human, right, it's not a person at all. I love the fancy British. It's the best. They couldn't program him to have an American accent on the design right there, Like he's he's fancy, and that's the hint that you should have picked up on the whole time, the only fancy one. Of course, he's an Andrews. They're an evil people, yes, the fancies. God, that's like Bill Knight and so many movies, especially my favorite bad movie I Frankenstein. Where boy, is that a remarkably bad one? I love like, that's a fun one. That's a fun bad I got one of my one of my biggest Twitter pops everr was after I walked out of that and tweeted that it was the best movie ever written by an Evanescence album in the Sega Genesis, and it's still one of my top ranking tweets. It's a good one. I didn't know why people cared about that. It was a fun one. And also that was like the kind of peaceful cinematic experience where like there was never anyone else in the theater to experience. I Frankenstein felt very personal. Oh my God, like that movie, and they thought that they you know, they thought that they were like launching a franch franchise because they left it open beds, like who you know, Frankenstein Frankenstein. They Frankenstein Frankenstein. But Bill Knight in that movie? Anyways? Is is the fancy man who that wonderful thing? Like Christopher Walking and Jeelie do they are they aware that they're in a movie? Did they just walk in there, like say something British and he's like all right, and then I like say something science e and then he does that and then he just steals a b just food from craft services and goes home like that's the kind of anyways. By the way, I'm pretty sure it's the fancy guy. I'm pretty sure you hold the record for number of references anyone who has made ever. I wait, when you said I feel bad, I say it like when everyone's like, oh yeah, Christopher Walking and Jeli when you were evasive about your wheelhouse, did you mean it was Jelie? I think it might be only the films of Martin Brest are really speak to me. Titanic and is what your wheelhouse? Man? Yeah? I have to unsubscribe from HBO now because I told myself I would do it when The Little Lives was over. But unfortunately, I do want to watch the Jinks again, the whole thing, the whole thing. I've seen it nine times, but it's time to see it ten times. I gotta crossover in a double days baby anyway, Well, oh yeah, in I just want to keep harping that. I just love how persistent she is, because like everyone keeps feeling like, no, Ripley, shut up, We're gonna stay this life, and she's just like, no, you're putting us all in danger. Yeah, she doesn't doubt herself. That's pretty impressive. Also impressive was how white the white areas of the ship were constantly given, how dirty and nasty the rest of the ship was, and that there was no cleaning crew, the janitorial situation there. I would have loved, I really. I tweeted about this morning. I got so many actualise from dudes. I was like, I'm taking this down fine, because I was like, it's too pristine. This and Discovery one from two thousand one, just like pristine and white spaceship interiors, and it's like, I don't know, I mean, maybe I'm filthy, but I have white walls and I gotta I gotta touch those up. From time to time they turned to eggshell. And especially if you're going from moon or into pods, there's no footprints, no nothing coming on, and then the dirty parts are like very dirty, gusting. Yeah, yeah, especially when yeah, there's I mean there's distribute that there's a little bit blood spraying everywhere, there's acid blood. Who's cleaning it? And which just eventually you got enough jizz blood, enough acid blood, you know, there's got to be acid jizz someplace. That's true, or acid jazz pretty much the same. Did you know that the genre of music in the Cantina in Star Wars is called jizz jizz? Yeah? Really? Yeah? You know if straight z that's that's smooth rocking jazz right there. Yeah, Oh man, I want to that's a j jazz. I want to play some some jizz, super intiz, super into jiz music. Guys. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. If if someone asked you what you're like, they're like, what do you listen to you? They're like, oh, we're gonna, we're just we're just getting to it. Is it called jez? And the way that like elevator music is called like music is that Maybe I don't know, it's just it's it's one of those like the world, sort of the Star Wars world. I'm disappointing Aristotle so intensely because it means so much more to him than thinking about double flaps. So yeah, Ariostole is putting on his triggered hat right now. Yeah, it's people who love Star Wars so much. They've just created every Every question that could be asked about Star Wars has been answered someplace and agreed in the Star Wars universe. That's what that type of music is. Like. No one there's never a scene where somebody's like, hey, what are those fools playing in the corner and someone else is like, don't you know that's jizz. It's just something that you know if you if you google it though, that's the answer you look at and I get it. I gotta gotta ripley self assurance. I found very compelling and good to why you know, it's it's it's great to see it seem like character They that, but it didn't make me it harder for me to relate to her. I'm like, you know, because she's so good at her job and so on it and knows the rules backwards and forwards, but the I don't know, like and this isn't even a criticism, but it's you know, I'm pretty good at my job, but I feel like I only hesitate, like there's so many, you know, points in any day where you're just like, like like there was I don't know, maybe I would have liked to maybe see like a crack like in a character of any gender, though well I think that it Also it's a little bit more justified in the sequel, when she's already gone through all of this and so she's she's not, she has more even more reason to be like, no, I'm sure you really got to me. This is gonna suck. But this is her first rodeo in regards to a lot of jizz music or oh no, not the music, the explosive milk blood okay, yes, yeah, oh yeah. And this is where again in the sequel, you know, when she's confronted with Android, she's like, I hate you guys. No, I'm not gonna you can't be on the chip. Um and he's like, but I'm a nice one, and he does and um, but also we do see his just his blood too. But I think one of the weirdest scenes in the movie that I was like, we don't need this was the magazine rape. Yeah, I was very I guess he was choking her. Yeah, but yeah, like you got hands, man, if you got hands to if you have hands to hold a rolled up magazine and try to shove in a woman's mouth, you have hands to wrap around her neck and choke her that way that speaks volumes. Thank you, I did. You can put it on a pin. It's going to be along with them, it's two pins. Like, yeah, I found that to be a very confusing way to try to like suffocate or kill. I think that there was just a nut. They were like, oh, we've gone a couple of minutes without rape imagery. What can we do? Oh? I know, They're like, let's pay tribute to the genre and traditionally you can't break too many brriers because yeah, it wouldn't suffocate her. You can still because it's a rolled up magazine's I mean it hurt, it would be uncomfortable. Also, were her arms pinned down? Why was she not? I think she she was. I feels like an easy thing to fight off. Easily then when everybody comes in and yeah, yeah, yeah Parker. So I don't know if like robots have super strength or if they do, then again, choke her. That's so much. But I mean, like how we're advocating for it's just a very cooker. It's like handy, this happens in every episode, and it's like them cos like really Scott or whoever made this choice was like challenging themselves to like, what's a more creative way, what's more out of the box way to get a rape on the screen, Like we've already had the face hugger. Jeez, what's next? I guess yeah, this magazine thing. Now, let's talk about the part where John Hurt. A man gets essentially impregnated by an alien species and then essentially gives birth to it. Beautiful, beautiful thing in any man's life. It's just a natural, partial time. I gotta say, as someone who is terrified at the just very idea of childbirth, I really enjoyed having to see a man sort of go through with it. You see, that's like, now you know that pain. It seemed less painful to me the idea of actual childbirth because it came through his chest, not as nanny or as cuckoo and dying not having to raise that would have been fun, though. He was like, sorry, guys, I gotta go. I got somebody to take care of. No, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's so many just like sources of horror in this movie that don't come just from like this big alien attacking people, which is one of the ian It's the nies and the cuckoos, right, that's where all the Christmas, where all the terror comes, I mean, And it really that bummed me out because I was like, oh, no, our pussies like intrinsically terrifying, because like when they looked into when they went into the it was an alien ship they went into right when they when they leave their ship. I think that they did, yeah, because there's like the there's the space Jackie there and it's it looks terrifying. And I was like, if they had walked into a thing that was like full of broken glass and like swords and sticks all point, it would have been more physically dangerous, but it would not be as terrifying. It wouldn't cause as much like terror and uncomfortableity as this thing that's like looks like pussies. Right, they're walking into two huge vaginas and then the walls are all you know, with the production design is very higd, very spooky. Giger is a real weird though. He's a real for sure. That must have been they were like, we gotta make this movie. Oh you know who's a perv? We should call up there us? But yeah, and so I was because like, like you know how humans are like hardwired to hate snakes, and the in any language will get attention. And with most animals too. If you're having trouble with your cat and you're like get off the counter and he just won't listen, try throwing us at him, they really don't like it. Yeah, because it sounds like a snake. And everything that is evolved. This is what I have read that everything that's evolved now that is currently an existing species. We're the ones who have not been murdered by snakes, um, among other things other predators. But snakes are the ones that they're just all over the place. They they're they're they're trying to get everybody. So we are hard wired to dislike snakes. So the way they move, you can't figure out how they how they moved, except for like neighborhood we weed dealers who love snakes. Yeah, but even that, I feel like those people are like doing it to test themselves. Like, yeah, I don't, I'm not even because you know their one has a pet snake and doesn't tell everyone about it. But in the same way, I was like, oh, no, are we hardwired to be grossed out by pussies? Um, coming from someone who does not find pussies sexually attractive, I'm not sure. I'm not grossed out by them, even though they are disgusting. Dicks are much grosser, though, I think, well, yeah, I mean we had some gross dicks in there too, I mean their heads. That's like, come on, take a second pass. That's just so obvious. Well, it's like double dicks, Like it's like Aristotle is double flaps. The scene where after the face hugger alien has like dislodged itself from John Hurt's face and comed all into his throat and it's dead. It's dead, and they're like kind of poking and prodding and it to be like it's like stop, I can't right now, I just down, give me, just need a few minutes. I mean it's very vaginal slash volvic. I'm going to bring that word into just it's not a word. Is that a bot? I was like, can I stick poke that word into my life? So I don't forget it. I often say whenever people say vagina, what they mean to say is vulva. It's like saying throat when you mean neck exactly, or throat when you mean face or mouth. There's nothing I don't anyway. Vulvic is a new word. That is, it is a thing now. So you're welcome, everybody. The end, Okay, kayle and I loved that story. Thank you. Hey. Does anyone have any like final thoughts about the movie? If you haven't seen it yet, we ruined. Yeah, it's ruined for you, um, but you should see it. If you're a fan of Group, if you're a fan of Sigourney Weaver or a fine looking Tom Scarrett really look at that hot history teacher. Yeah, if you're a fan of deceptive fancy men. And I mean if it's a fun I mean it's a fun movie. As a person that's not that into the genre, I enjoyed this movie. Okay, I want to say that, I dude, enjoy very much that the last three remain like surviving characters are two women and a black guy because all the other four white dudes they're like, bye, you know, yeah, wasn't Hubris? Who knows? But they did? They got dead, they did. They got their diet very did. That's all that matters. As long as they get diad cool. Hey does the movie pass the Bechdel Test? I say yes. With flying colors? With flying colors, yeah, I mean there's a there's no question about whether or not it passes, because I do agree that it does. There's a couple of different scenes were Ripley and Lambert talk to each other, but mother, what did you throw? Mother? There? That's where I'm talking flying colure because she's never like, Mother, how's Dallas? I worried about his feelings? She's like, shut this down? What are we doing? Well? There's sometimes I feel like I'm never gonna start dating mother. I know it's going to make a weird period joke. Something's happening to my past, can you uh? Yeah. There's a scene towards the beginning whenever they have woken up and they're like, where are we even? Ripley is like, that's not our system. That's not that we're not in the right solar system or that's that's the first clue things are wrong. And then Lambert is like, I know that, So that's a conversation do iman are talking about? Not a man? And then later on the other part that I noted where it passes the test is when it's after Dallas dies and Ripley's like, we're just gonna proceed with Dallas's plan. We're going to try to trap this alien in like the air events, get the alien where we can't see it and there has access to the entire ship. It's a great plan, perfect And then Lambert's like, and end up dead like the others, you're out of your mind. And Repy's like, you got a better idea. And then she's like, yeah, that's abandon the ship. And everyone's like, so that's a like un conversation. But like, there may be other scenes where it passes the test, but those are the only two that I really nobody up on two. But I also wrote down Mother. I don't know if I'm willing to count Mother. It was it wasn't. First of all, it was named, which is part of this, So it wasn't just like computer, and they decided to gender it. They could have called it X five seven And in two thousand one it's how do you think? How? And mother they fuck in time In SpongeBob's Carrepants, it's Karen oh Flankton's computer wife. Cool. So anyways, I'm more of a cartoon person. There's a there's a computer friend in um that movie Moon as well, that Kevin Spacey the boys computer. To forget what his name is, though, I just remember that the landing pod that he's waiting for is Eliza. So through the whole movie, they're like, Eliza is a lot closer, and I'm like, stop to get there, and you keep saying it cool. Yes, the movie passes the Bechtel tests. We are now going to rate the movie on our nipple scale. So we have a scale that is zero to five nipples. We read it based on it. Who is that? That's not right? It? Okay, I don't know what you're talking about. This is a great scale to be rating a movie on, and I feel like you should never have nipples and fives that's not the number that they should ever come in. It's like a pegleg of nipples. So Nates. You just got one and then the other one is Wooden. Kay, all right, yeah it's not the same, but it gets the job done. So it's like it's like three and a half women three Yeah, yeah, I give it three and a half women. Yeah is that your real? Okay? Cool? Wait, assuming that women have two nipples each, so wait, that's like seven nipples. Wait one to three, four, five, three and a half times two? Said two and a half? Oh oh sorry, I think it's a three and a half. Did I say I will never know? There's no way to go for us, you know? Yeah, half women? I like, I will say that this most recent viewing, and some of them, I feel like this is a movie. This is so gross as a movie. Gussie on the big screen. I got to see you on the big screen, and I tried to watch this during the day in my apartment flooded with light, so it waited for night. Yeah. I'm giving it an idealized five. I'm gonna maybe don't give it a half. I'm going to walk out, but I'm going to give it a whole number. Okay, and it is. I think I'm going to give it a four based on its portrayal of the women in it. Um. I do think Ripley is a total badass. I like that she is very persistent and she's intuitive. She knows I mean maybe it's women's intuition. Is that even a thing? I don't know, do I have any I don't make a mistake. She's just smart, right, she's smart. She's good at her job, and she is persistent, and I really enjoy seeing that on screen. She sort of Elizabeth Warren type, is what she never said. Oh yeah, right, I don't know how quotes were. Yeah, if I had any like complaints about it, I guess I don't know. I just I was like maybe helping to see the relationship with the other female character to be like a little less hostile. But that's not really who really is. So I'm just like nitpicking here. I think it maybe deserves a five nipple. I'm not sure. Get back to me. I'll tell you in a month. Okay, I'll give it. I'm gonna give it for But they're all they're all sliced down the middle. Oh no likes just no crusts. Well there shouldn't be crust on them either. I mean, I don't I just I supports crusty nipple. I just I wanted to need a bucket? Where how is this four of them? And then you just what's the name of the production designer who who also production podcast put a little crest in there if that's his favous call for he has a four because, um, I like the genderless aspect to all of the characters, but that means that we don't really get a lot of perspective on gender in the way that a five nipple movie usually Well maybe maybe the perspective is it gets to be defined by the individual, right maybe, yeah, maybe this movie, just to be clear, it is raising the roof right now. Yeah, I mean maybe one day we'll all live in a society where our gender doesn't even need to be recognized. Probably not though probably No, No, it's the We're like four or five months away from a handmaids Tale. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've not seen that, but I did recently see A Night's Tale, so I think I'm caught up the same thing. I think they have seen the Hulu one, But I highly recommend the book terrific very much. Upset you right now. It feels like a not too far away dystopian future. What am I going to recommend this week? I'm gonna recommend season two of Golden Girls and The Jinks preferably. Do you like the back to back to back to back to back? Yes? This? Well? I okay, I have a Jinks viewing planned with my friend this weekend and it's the best way to watch the Jinks is the Jinks with no bathroom breaks. Oh right, So do you guys talk during it at all? Or is there no speaking? Oh, it's more like screaming. Okay, if you scream at the same time, do you ever, Um, well, I've never watched it with this person before. I was about into a very long explanation of like, well, sometimes you know if it's someone you've watched it with before. And I work with a bunch of British people because of the Late Late show, and then also this s been off show that I worked on. The British people like employing other British people. But there's a lot of that kind of stuff about American culture. They don't know Jinks. Yeah. Oh interesting, So I lied a lot about the different things that you could get done with the chains. That's great, yep, I love I love a good like slow Burn white lie that'll embarrass them like months in the future. And I got him the showrunner on the show, very nice guy, but he got him so nervous about what phrases were actually not used here. He would be like, m well, I'm going to go get a mug of coffee. Do you say that? Do you say muggy here? What is that a bit of coffee? Wait? I just thought something else about the movie that I have to say. It takes longer for the alien fetus to like just j in John Hurt's chest than it does for the baby to reach adulthood. That that's why you know, that's a precious life you can want us inside. I mean, life begins hug face, hug whenever a weird alien species comes into your throat and plants a baby in your chest. It's just what mommy told you, right, Yeah, oh man, this is ripe dirty talk too. Yeah. Yeah, next time you're with the with the fella, tell me want to make them plant his alien seed in your guts, in your face hug me. I shudder to think how many different disturbing way as a man could interpret that sence. Um, he's hung me. Also, um like they since it sounds like you guys are kind of new to hr gagor this is like kind of the first time you here, uh the mark of a real creepy dorm room. A Geiger poster? Interesting? What other movies has he done? It's not a movie like you could if you google him, you'll find like lots of concept art m and uh. Like when I was in school, at least they would have those poster affairs for all the kids to go and decorate their post or less rooms. And there's always a bunch of Gaiger stuff. Every poster in a college room is the morning Horn. Yes for these sticky robots. It's just a bunch of sticky robots. My college roommate had a cardboard cutout of major pain and our room for a full year and then I never asked her how she got it. But eventually it started next to her bed, which I didn't like. But then it started to inch out into the room, which I really didn't like, and then at some point I was like, I like it. You want me over, Eliza, Thanks a ton for being here, Thank you, thanks a that for having me. Where can people find you on the internet. They can find me on Twitter at Addie Eliza Skinner or on Instagram at at the Skins. Shouldn't shouldn't have done that, should have made it all the same thing, but it didn't. And they can listen to my podcast, Angry Little Goats. That's right. Hey, what's making you a happy little goat today? Oh? Wow? Today, I don't have to answer. I mean, I recommend The Handmaiden's Tale, but I feel like I've done that a lot. Actually, I really want to go watch all of the Alien movies now because also the the new one coming out. I'm very excited for hoping it will be a redemption from the awful that I have not seen. Alien three. Oh that's the one with the was it Charles has Dotte. I'm not sure it's the um it's the one where she's in like like space jail, just a shaver head, bald bald women rule. The bald women rule. Yeah, that's the rule. I think at that point she's a clone because they start cloning Ripley, I believe, keep starting in the third movie, because she's been the first suited to funk up all these aliens exactly. Sigourney Weaver Kanna's Women in Stem for this one I think so. Yes, yeah, I think she's a science officer. Yeah, hell yeah, she's a stem head. I thought of another bald woman woman movie, which is I love I love it. This theory actually works. I don't know if it works. Are in charge? It's just large, it's what who is? What about Empire records? Does that ruin it? Oh? You know what? I have not seen that movie in so long that I don't remember what they look like. I recently tweeted about loving dramatic haircuts and movies, and so all these people were like sending me head shaving scenes and I was like, well, I didn't mean that. I meant grab your hair scissors, slink. That's like, yeah, I like that. Mulan gets her haircut with a fucking sword. Yeah. But the movie I was thinking of it was a V for Vendetta y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, gets a head shaven. But is she in charge? She's kind of in charge of her own life, so she's maybe argue that she's an authority figure. I mean, she's not the authority figure. And she's didn't work for Brittany. No, I leave Brittany alone. There's okay. I still think it's a triumph that she survived that year. I oh god, I think she's great. I'm going to Vegas for the first time next month and I and I'm like, I really want to go see Brittany. I really do know. I understand it. I did you did? Did you enjoy it? Oh? No, it's not a great She's also tired. Yeah, And that's when you feel like like you're like, oh, you didn't have to do this for me, Brittany, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I had to make you. And also when they line up her songs like that, like one after another, you realize that it's like it spells out like um like cut out newspaper letter style, like a huge cry for help. It's just like the songs are basically all like I'm a sexy baby, and no when this since to me or knows what I want or feel like, how long has it been since Brittany has actually felt that way like a sexy baby? Like I said, oh, well, I feel like she still does feel like a sexy Yeah. I feel like she's like the message of all of her songs are basically like you just you just want to suck me. That's it. I might still go see it. Yeah, and I don't want to tell you not to take pictures with her costumes. But also you do know that Mine Freak is there too. Oh ship, I'm only there for three days, I would say, what's I am? Mine Freak? I was recently considering going there just to like line up a bunch of magic shows and just go see a bunch of magic shows. Dude, I am that kind of dark. Would love to see Mine Freak. I used to love that show. I used to I don't know why, but Mine Freak was my free was miship and I used to love the Jamie Kennedy experiment. So I were finding out about your whale house. It's garbage. Never wheelhouse fucking sucks. I like how this episode has become like the last half hour of Lord of the Rings Return of the King, where every time you think it's over, sorry we keep going. No, I've had so much fun. Keep you again, Eliza for being here. It's wonderful time ghost seeing the new alien movie. Uh it might be good, all right bye