John Payne: Autism solutions for a better tomorrow

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one story at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantour. Welcome
to Wind Not Me Embracing Autism and Mental Health Worldwide.
Joining us today is John Payne, the visionary founder of
Pure Life Genetics, which is a leader in genetic health
solutions with a passion for advancing personalized wellness. He spear
has innovative testing and tailored health insights to empower individuals
toward optimal well being. He, along with his team of
global researches and doctors, developed the tech Non Protocol. It
was developed to help those within the autistic community. He's
here to share his journey of how it all started
to building a global product that helps people worldwide. So
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Thanks for coming on, Thank you for having me. Oh
it's my pleasure. Let's start this with a brief overview
of what you do.
Well. I'm a researcher. I've spent the last fifty years
researching primarily metabolic health diseases. Now, having said that, that
means you know, type two diabetes, Alzheimer's, dementia, and Parkinson's.
But all my research was based on those specific diseases.
Okay, So what happened to lead to the path of autism?
I was speaking in New York at the C three
US Arab Healthcare Summit, like two thousand and fourteen or fifteen.
A couple of people came out of the audience to
talk to me afterwards, and come to find out, they
were researchers at the University of Wisconsin, and they said,
we're very interested in your work in metabolic health because
we are trying to develop a test for autism. Now
I knew what autism was but I didn't really know
much about it. What they said was that they had
come to the conclusion that autism was a metabolic disorder,
not a neurological disease, which science now knows that's a fact.
It's not exclusively metabolic, but it's primarily metabolic. And they
asked me if I would work with them on some
of their research. They were trying to develop a test.
Autism can't be diagnosed right now till the child's really
five or six years old, and the only thing they
can use is the car scoring method, which is very subjective,
highly inaccurate. From what I understand, it's only about sixty
percent accurate. A lot of people get misdiagnosed having it,
but they don't have it, not having it, and they
do have it, and so on. So they're trying to
develop a blood test that they could use at a
very young age.
Okay, that's very interesting. What happened from there?
I said, let me do a little bit of research
on autism, and you know, if it looks like something
that I believe I can help with, then yes, I'd
be willing to contribute what I can. Well, I came
to the conclusion that they were right. I worked with
them for a few months to see what we could
do and if they could develop a blood test, which
they have not been able to do yet. In doing that,
you know, I'm old. I had come to the conclusion
in my research, no matter what I did for diabetes,
unless I discovered something where you just take one pill
and your cured and that's it and go away, you're
not going to get most diabetics to change because it
kills you some violently. You know, you don't have a
lot of symptoms for a long time. People don't take
it really seriously until it's too late. I realized that
unless I did something like that, I'm not going to
make really an impact because only two percent of the
people will make the change to really correct their diabetes.
Ninety percent won't. They'll do it for two three weeks,
but that's it, you know, maybe a month, and then
they go back to doing what made them a diabetic
in the first place.
Yes, unfortunately, that is very true. So what was your
next move from there?
What I had decided was before my time comes, I
wanted to give something back, and I realized in my
area of research, I probably wasn't going to be able
to do that because we certainly weren't close to developing
a magic bullet that all you had to do is
take one pill, you know you're cured. I was talking
to one of my other friends that was in Milwaukee,
and one of his friends referred a lady who owns
a autism treatment clinic in California. She called me and
she asked me if I would come out and speak
to some of the parents. And I didn't know much
about autism at this point in time, other than it
was growing exponentially. Not to speak to the parents, because
what she told me was that most autism parents have
given up. They don't believe anything anybody says. They tried everything.
The only thing they'll do is what's called ABA therapy,
which is behavioral therapy. It's very expensive, incredibly time consuming,
like four or five times a week, and we actually
find out now that in some cases it's actually harmful,
but it takes a long time before we're ever going
to get any results. So she asked me if i'd
come out and speak with them and try to, you know,
give some hope. And I did it just because I
wanted to learn more.
Yeah, that's really good. When you meet people like that,
you can learn so much more. So what did you
find out with your trip and talking with these people?
She called me the day I was supposed to be
there and asked me if i'd come in early because
one of the parents wanted to talk to me when
the other parents weren't around. One thing I've since learned
it is a lot of parents they've not only given up,
but they're in denial and they don't want other people
to know about it. So I said, yeah, no problem,
I'll just come a couple hours early and we can
talk with well. I got there and they had this
gigantic group because it's a treatment facility for special needs kids,
primarily autism. They had three chairs set up in the
middle for the mother, myself, and for the owner of
the facility and therapist. I get set down with Sherry
and this mother comes walking in with her son. The
son looked to me like he was about seven years old,
looked like you weighed about seventy five pounds something like that.
I learned later he was thirteen and all he would
eat was French fries, wouldn't need anything else. So you
could imagine what a nutritional.
Level was yes, that's not good at all.
So we sit down and this young boy he got up.
He started making a sound, and I apologize for this.
The only thing I can relate it to is kind
of like a small barking sound. I've since learned that
many autistic children do this, but I wasn't familiar with
at the time. And he started jumping and bouncing around
the room. And what he would do is they had
these large waste baskets, but they're very, very large, so
no kid could get hurt or whatever. And he'd go
and he'd bounce up to him, making this noise. He'd
jump in him and knock him over. He spill everything
out that was in him, and then go to the
next one. And the mother says his name was Ethan.
The mother says, Ethan, will you please come down and
sit down so I can speak with gentleman for a
few minutes. He ignored her completely, so that went on.
He wouldnt even answer. So then the owner of the center,
who knew him quite well because he was there frequently,
said Ethan, please come down and sit down with this
so your mother and I can talk with this man.
He ignored her too. Me and my innate intelligence thought, well,
if I say something, maybe with a stronger voice, deeper voice,
you know, maybe he'll listen a little bit. So I said, Ethan,
will you please come and sit down so I can
speak with your mother. He ignored me completely also, So what.
Was the next step? Did you try anything different?
So I got up and I walked over to him, Tony,
I really can't tell you why this came out of
my mouth. I really can't tell you, but I said, Ethan, please,
will you be quiet so I can speak with your mother?
He just completely ignored me. And the next thing, I said, Ethan,
please please, he just looked up at me just for
a second and said no, look back down really quickly.
What I said then had to be because I didn't
plan it, but it had to be because of the
the mother was wearing, and you know how they spoke
the word she used, so I assumed they were very religious.
Just out of the blue, I said, Ethan, what would
you say to me if I asked you that? And
I was Jesus. And this kid stopped dead still in
his tracks, totally silent, and he looks up at me
like this and then back down real quickly, and in
this really tiny quiet voice. He goes, why me. Shook me?
It just really shook me. And I reached and I
put my hand on the shoulder and said, Ethan, I'm
going to help you.
Wow, that's a great story. So what were you thinking
and what was your plan from that point?
Did I know for sure how I was going to
to help him at that point in time? Not really.
He looked up at me again really quickly, and then
back down and he put his hand. You know, when
you wear suit pants, they tend to be a little
baggy around where your pockets are, and he put his
thumb and forefinger in my pocket corner and he just
stood there. So I thought, well, I'll just walk backwards.
So I walked backwards it and I said down. He
walked back with me. He sat down beside me, but
hanging onto my suit pocket. We had our talk, and
then when the rest of the people came, they had
him set up in these rows which air, and then
I had one smaller table front with one of these
office roller chairs. So I said, Ethan, I've got to
go up to the front to speak. He just followed
right with me, still anchored to me. So I sat
down in a chair, and he curled around my chair,
I mean literally curls him for an hour while I
was speaking. I was afraid to move because I'd run
over his finger, you know something, because of his roller chair.
He never moved, he just stayed there.
So if he was here for about an hour, hour
and a half, what happened when you finished?
When I was done, there were four or five parents
that also wanted to talk to me. Without asking the
question out loud in front of everybody, I got up
and said yes, carefully, I said, Ethan, I got to
go to the back. He stayed right with me. I
answered the questions and so on, and then when it
was time to go, the father came to Ethan said Ethan,
it's time to go out and get in the truck.
We need to go home. Ethan didn't budge, he just
stayed anchored to me, and honestly, I didn't know what
to do. Finally, after several minutes, I thought, well, maybe
if I walk out where the family is there in
the truck, you know he'll get in and go. So
I walked out by the truck and the father says, Ethan,
get in the truck. Time to go home. Ethan doesn't
get in the truck. So I looked down at him.
I said, Ethan, please get in the truck as your
father says, and go with your family.
So, after all that was you finally able to get
him to get into the truck.
This young man looks up at me, just a brief look.
He just looks up up at me, and he looks
straight down and in the tiniest, tiniest, quietest voice, he goes,
don't forget about me. And then he got in the
truck and they went home. What that taught me in
that minute was these kids know we wonder why they're
so stressed out, why they have such an anxiety and
so on. They know, yeah, they know that's something wrong,
and nobody seems to be able to help them. I
walk back into that building with one commitment that I
was going to change my focus and my entire company's
resources focus to nothing but helping autistic children, because there's
so many of them with so few answers, and they're
misled entirely by big farmer, you know, because big Farmers
spent billions of dollars looking for a drug and there's
not one treatment on the market today that helps an
autistic kid.
It's my understanding that you came up with something that's
more food related.
Yeah, in my research, in my company's research, I can't
take credit for all of it. What we really came
to the conclusion was that autism is not is primarily
a metabolic disorder, not a neurological disease. And we know
for fact, science knows for a fact that you can
effectively address neurological disorders schizophrenia, anxiety, and stress and depression
by treating the gut. What we did is we focused
on providing a formula that would address as many of
the microbiome disorders that would affect the type of symptoms
that most autistic children. I mean, they vary all across
the board. You know, some of them are nonverbal, some
of them, you know, yell and screen most times. They
all have a messed up gut. You know, they either
have constipation severely or they have diarrhea severeli er. They
bounce back and forth between the two, but they all
have a distressed gut. So we focused on developing a
nutrient dense, primarily plant based formula to treat their gut.
We created a farm and start with and did our
testing and we did help them, but not as much
as what we were looking for. So we kept looking
and looking. In One of our chief science actually is
the name of doctor Offtop Akhmed, and he's from the
Middle East, and he said, John, you know, we have
fairly good success by utilizing camel milk to treat the
autistic children because they don't have access to anything else.
And where he's from in northern Pakistan. So I started
researching camel milk and what in it could benefit somebody
with a distress gut with neurological symptoms attached to it.
That's very interesting. So what did you find moving forward
with the ingredients that you could use with camel milk.
What we found was that the colostrum in a specific
type of camel milk is virtually bioidentical to the claustrum
and a new mother's nursing milk, which is the greatest
nutrition you know that exists in the world today. Everybody
who's a nutrition including myself, has tried to develop a
formula that mimics a mother's new nursing milk. We've all failed,
be included. But what we found is this one type
of colostrum. We could take an extract out of it. Okay,
boost the effects by adding a patented and clinically proven
delivery agent so they absorb much more of it. Mix
it in with the plant based formula. We've got amazing results.
Okay, that sounds really good. Can you expand on the
results that you received?
Okay, Well, by properly addressing the gut brain axis, which
is this is what we do, and improving metabolic gut health. Essentially,
what happened is we were able to improve cognition social communication.
We can take completely nonverbal autistic children adults, because there's
a tremendous number of adults also that are autistic or
past the age of fifteen. If they're nonverbal, somewhere between
six months and thirteen months, they'll become verbal. Okay, we
improve social communication absolutely, reduce aggravated behavior. As a matter
of fact, somewhere between three and twelve weeks. Typically typically
I don't want to overstate, but I mean in ninety
eight percent of the cases, three things will show up
in an autistic person if they start on our called technon.
Technon is an ancient Greek word which stands for Young
Child of God. We named it that for two reasons.
One we can trademarket, which it's hard to find the
name you can trademark anymore. And two it just felt
right to me in our research when we found that.
But there's three things where you'll know it's going to work.
This will happen almost every time, somewhere between one and
three weeks, and that is you'll see any significant improvement
in calmness. You'll see a significant improvement in digestion, meaning
if they had diarrhea, it'll start to go away. If
they're constant pale time, they'll start to have in regular
bowel movements. And almost all autistic children have difficulties sleeping.
They don't go to sleep until really early in the
morning whatever. Virtually all of them will start sleeping at
a much earlier hour. You know they'll start getting real rest.
Those three things. Once you see those three things, you
know you're going to have success with time.
Yeah, that sounds great. Now, some people will look at
this and say that it appears like it's the cure,
and as most of us know, there is no cure.
So how do you address that?
I want to be clear techno does not cure it.
What it does is it helps you manage the symptoms
to where your child can live, you know, a functionally
normal life. Look autism as it is today, untreated, it's
a life sentence for the child and for the parents
and family. So anything you can do to help them
manage those symptoms is really important. Now, it increases their GABA,
which improves their neurotransmission. That lowers systemic inflammation, and it
decreases oxidative stress. But it improves the gut microbiome at
such a significant level, and that's what's impacting the neurological
symptoms that children and adults are having.
Okay, so how does it work. Is it a drink?
Is it a pill? Is it a food? What is
their way that they consume this?
Okay, it's in a powdered form. They're in small sachets
that are individuals nervings, and you mix it with water
and you drink it. You drink it twice a day,
one in the morning and one in the afternoon. You'd
like to have them about twelve hours apart. Because our
body uses or evacuates the majority of our vitamins and
minerals every twelve to sixty hours, so you need to
replace especially that night when they're sleeping. You need it
to keep replenishing those. So it's a drink. We do
it a drink because we wanted to go down through
the Salavic glands. Their gut is so messed up that
when the active nutrients hit the acid in the gut,
we get it. So they drink and it goes down
through the Slavic glands and gets into the bloodstream before
it hits that acid.
Okay, that makes sense. Now is this for everyone or
is it just for those that are autistic?
It was developed for autistic people, but we have many,
many people who have gut disorders because our diets so bad.
I mean, let's be honest, everybody's got a gut problem
out there now because our diet is so horrendous. We
have many, many people who take it just for their
gut health. But it was developed and all our focus
has been on autism.
Perfect. Now let's roll back to Ethan. Did you bring
this to him? Did he use it? And did it help?
He was the very first one we put on. There
were two children that I said, when we're done with this,
And it took us about four more months before we
actually had it where I was willing to, you know,
to introduce it into the market. We went back to
Ethan and a young man named Hunter who was three
and a half years old at the time. It absolutely helped.
Ethan now is attending junior college. He has his driver's license, okay,
and he has a girlfriend. None of those were possibly before.
That's really good. It's always nice to start off with
a success story.
I'd like to share if you have time, I'd like
to share Hunter's story also, if it's possible.
Yeah, absolutely, I'd love to hear it. I'm sure the
listeners would too.
Okay. Hunter was three and a half years old. I
had a neighbor when I was developing this whose prime
focus was on rescuing abuse animals, primarily dogs, and she
worked closely with a lady in Hooper City, Florida. In talking,
I found out she found out that this grandmother had
a grandson that was severely autistic. So she told him
about our stuff. And I have an office in South Florida,
and she asked me if i'd go in and visit
them while I was down there. They live in a
place where very rough neighborhood where there's not even a
number on the house street. So I couldn't find the house,
and I parked quite a ways away and just walked
until they could find what they described to me. Anyway,
I go in and I meet Hunter. He's very violent,
tearing out his own hair, attacking everybody, yelling and screaming.
The only way they could and I hate to even
say this, but the only way that they could get
through the day with him is by sedating. Just broke
my heart. So I told the mother it was obvious
that they weren't going to be able to afford to
pay for this stuff. So what I told him was,
no man can walk away and not want to help.
So I told him, look, I'll provide it for you
if you promised me you'll commit to it. Autistic people
are very taste texture.
Sensitive, Yes, some are for sure.
So you never know if they're going to drink it.
Parents have to be creative to get away to get
them to consume it.
Yeah, that's right. So did she find a way to
make it happen?
What she did is she found that if she would
put it in his toy syringe, she could put it
in the corner of his mouth and shoot it and
he drink it to drink it out of the shaker.
No way, Okay, we didn't care as long as he
got it in himself, you know, twice a day. And
she invited me back. I'm going to say about six
months later. Now we've been supplying in product because he
have to take it on a continuous basis, she invited
me back again. I had trouble finding the house because
my memory wasn't good enough to remember exactly where it
was at. So it parked seemed like a long ways away,
and I walked in. Hunter greeted me at the door,
and he was nonverbal other than screaming. He greeted me
at the door with a nice smile on his face.
And the mother and the grandmother set me down and say,
this is technology. You know. We're so grateful for what
you've been able to do. They said, he was sleeping
at night, he was eating a wide variety of food,
wasn't difficult with what he would eat anymore. He was talking,
saying words and so on. So I spent my time
in answering their questions and talking with him. When it
was time for me Leaven Hunter stands up and he said,
will you show me your car? This is a kid
that didn't talk at all other than scream and yelling.
I said sure. So we go outside and he takes
my hand and he, you know, he's tiny little you know,
he's like four by now, time, tiny little boy. And
he reaches up and he takes my hand and he said,
what colors your car? To be honest with you, I
didn't know because I hadn't thought about it. But I
looked down the street. I can see that it was white.
I said, it's white, and he says, oh, my grandmother's
is blue. We walk down the street and he's holding
my hand. Now he's only met me once before, but
he's holding my hand. We get in and we get
up to the car. I open a door and he says,
can I drive it? Can I sit in the seat?
You know, not really drive it, drive it, but you know,
sit in the seat and move the steering wheel. I
said sure, open the door. He hops up in and
you know, you can only see, you know this, heide
to the steering wheel and he's doing this and everything.
And I just happened to look over my shoulder because
i'd heard a sound, and the mother is just crying
her eyes out on the sidewalk on the other side. So,
you know, I let him play, do what he wanted,
and I said, Hunter, you know it's time for me
to go. Would like to say goodbye. So he gets
out and he reaches up and he shakes my hand
and he says, can I see you again? And I
said sure, and he just smiles and turns away and
runs over to his mom.
And wow, that's a great story. Now. I also understand
that you do a lot over in the Middle East.
Can you tell us a little bit about that.
You can go on Instagram and look at Dolina's store.
We did our first major tests in the United air
Bimmers because the Middle East has the worst incidence of
autism in the world. The top five countries in the
world for prevalence of autism are five GCC countries, with
katar being the worst, then UAE, Saudi Arabia, Oman and Bahrain.
So we have a called Hope Medical. It's a wonder facility.
Parents started this facility because they have a six year
old daughter with cerebral policy and they started this to
help all of them. But they have so many autistic
children that they people were bringing them in. Can you
help us? Can you help them? So we started working
with them and we've had phenomenal results. You can go
on I think it's called Dolinas Store. I'm not very
social media savvage, so forgive me for this, but it's
on Instagram and if you follow that you'll see many, many,
many cases of success and podcasts where we talk about
that and outworks and et cetera. In fact, we've been
so successful, Tony, I have to say this. We've been
selected as the protocol of choice for developmental disorders by
the American Mission Hospital in Bahrain. It's a new one
hundred million dollars hospital that just opened a year ago.
As a matter of fact, they named the Autism and
Developmental Disorder center in this new hospital after me because
of the success we'd had.
Well, that's great, congratulations on that for sure.
Saudi Rabia, who I have to admit, is traditionally very
difficult to work with to get anything approved in there,
especially if it's not Saudi made, et cetera. After they did,
you know, eight months worth of testing, they liked what
we were doing so well. They gave us what's called
FastTrack and the Ministry of Health has told us we'll
have our registration approval in the middle of September. So
six weeks as opposed to two years.
That's awesome, something to be proud of.
Yeah, look, it's very gratifying for somebody that's as old
as I am actually be able to help these young
children and adults. There's so many adults that we forget
about that have autism. But the thing I would say
is it works quick enough that you know you're going
to have success with your child. You know, one to
three weeks is not a very long time.
No, not a long time at all. If you can
see that kind of results in a short time, I
can only imagine the results that you could get over
the long haul.
I should say this, the older the person is, the
longer it takes. If they're three to nine, we get
outstanding success very quickly. If they're nine to fifteen, it takes.
You know, what takes one to three months. In a
younger child, you know, takes three to six months and
sometimes longer if because every child's different, if they're over
fifteen and up in their twenties thirties, our oldest patient
is forty five, it can take as much as thirteen
months if they're nonverbal. That's the longest we've gone to
where they started saying words and talking in sentences and
so on. Like everything else, it doesn't work the same
on everybody. Some people take a little longer. Some people
get outstanding results very quickly. Some people they'll get some
other symptom that will come in that hadn't been showing
up before, but usually it's from an additional stimulator. They're
changing in ways and there's some additional stimulation that's causing
change in what the behavior, but it all evens out
over a period of time.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Now, do you have a
website that people can go to find out more about you?
Yes, www dot pure life Genetics dot com, look for techno.
I do want to alert people because of the FDA
and they're six hundred million regulations against anything that's not
a drug or pharmaceutical. We can only say a limited
amount of things you know on the website because they
prohibit it. If you really want information, you can call
an ask or you know, go on Instagram look under
Dolina store and you'll get a broad spectrum of information.
Or you can call us an ask us.
Yes, like mine's supplements online, they're not UPDA approved, and
it's very difficult to say anything.
They really like you say nay. You know, you can't
even use the word autism, so you know, I mean
you got to just try to address what people want
to hear or need to hear without stepping over line
with the FDA. The other countries, we don't have those restrictions.
Yeah, that's right, I completely understand. Well, this has been great,
great conversation, great information. I really appreciate you taking the
time to join us today.
Well, thank you for having me. Anytime we can get
the message out and try to help some of these families.
I'm all in.
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