To All The Boys Who F*** Us Over with Brittany Cartwright and Janet Caperna

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Speaker 1: Hi, Amber, Hi, Lelah. Welcome to an Unlikely Affair. Welcome to an unlikely Affair. My worlds are officially colliding. This is the happiest I have been in a very long time.

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Speaker 2: I have Amber obviously my co host. Hi, babe, Hi, I.

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Speaker 3: See we brought all the personalities today.

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Speaker 2: I'm really uncloud nine recently. I'm so happy for you. Really, yeah, I don't know how I know how to take it. I'm very giddy.

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Speaker 1: I've got Britney Cartwright, hello, gorgeous, and I've got Coperna. Who.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling right now? Janet? Good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a great night sleep last night, all by myself and in a bed a.

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Speaker 5: Little and you were getting sassy and over ok.

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Speaker 2: You guys, we went.

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Speaker 1: We went to the Unlikely Affair party last night in Sace Alito?

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Speaker 2: Is that you say itso? And Janet did.

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Speaker 1: Get spicy in the uber but to be fair, to be defend, to go for it, you asked the uber driver to pull over for a third time to connect to the music on a bridge at ten pm, but.

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Speaker 5: He never pulled over.

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Speaker 4: He pulled over two times before.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember that.

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Speaker 6: That's why the third I was like third strike, we're going home.

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Speaker 5: Some music because that was a long rod.

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Speaker 1: That was Oh you were playing it though, right in here and you're going if you were looking at.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I stay my own names. Yeah, worry me.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was like, stay pussy one more time.

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Speaker 2: And I and ubers, Yeah, we love you.

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Speaker 4: See, I'm afraid of what you guys do alone when I'm not there.

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Speaker 1: We have fun when you're not around, you have some we have some fun when mom comes around.

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Speaker 4: Fun squash the nice reasonable volume would be good.

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Speaker 5: Why did Why did we have to pull over three times for it?

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Speaker 3: So we did?

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Speaker 6: I wouldn'tnock connect to third the first two times. You started to ask him to connect and then you're like, I gotta tag this photo really quick, hold on and he's like, I gotta keep going.

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Speaker 3: He looked exhausted when he dropped this off.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh yeah, okay.

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Speaker 5: I was like, we got it.

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Speaker 4: That was like, who's uber rating? Is this destroying right now? Yours?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Ihearts so good. Sorry, guys.

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Speaker 5: I'm always nice about it though, so they probably still liked it.

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Speaker 2: You. You were very funny and dairy. Janet was.

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Speaker 4: I was in the high a ninety to go home. He was like not the third.

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Speaker 1: Amber was in her spiral over the Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: Valid you have so valid, You're so seen and I got you. We're right here. Thank you, so you Amber.

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Speaker 1: You've met Brittany and Janet before, and have we spent time?

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Speaker 2: Reminded me? Have we spent time together?

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Speaker 3: I'm only at maybe like birthday parties, right, yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe like once.

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Speaker 6: The first time I remember I was spending a lot of time together was when Camera was a baby, and immediately upon walking to Laalas, you were like give me and You're like baby whisperer. And then I was like great, and I was like, as long as she's good, I think I let you go for like an hour.

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Speaker 4: Really yeah, you were like holding Cameron for forever and I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for letting me hold your baby. I've been known to still people's baby on the street. I'm like, oh, you need help, Like I'm the worst. On the plane too, I'm like baby screaming and I'm like, here, let me help you.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. You're the best. You're the dream on the plane. I would give you my baby.

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Speaker 2: On your plane.

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Speaker 1: So it's very, very Obviously you know Britney because we did vander Pump Rules together. But it's so crazy to like have the four of us in this room together. When season four a Vanner Pump, I was very hard to stomach for a lot of people, and then I was labeled the home wrecking whore. And now, obviously Brittany is one of my dearest friends, and we all found common ground and became friends. But now, how the fact that Amber is in the mix, it's just such a I have these moments all the time where I'm like, what a beautiful, full circle moment. I opened the shower last night and Amber's on the toilet.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm peeing. I was like, you are very comfortable with each other.

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Speaker 1: How did this happen from going like having this narrative that was spun and you you guys both know that you at.

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Speaker 2: Some point have no control over your narrative.

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Speaker 1: Once you're you sign up for a reality TV show, whatever's out there is out there, and you have to fight very hard to correct it, and for the most part it falls on deaf ears. So you just throw your hands up and you're like, whatever people want to run with, I'm fine with it so in that long winded speech, I'm very happy to have everybody in this room together.

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled about it, and we want to talk about marriages.

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Speaker 1: We've had like very in depth conversations about what everyone's going through. And I think the number one thing people want to know for you, brit is it hard for you to start dating knowing that you're still legally married to Jack.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I really I don't feel like I've like actually been dating dating Okay, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Like I've been kind of like I forget that brand didn't exist it. Honestly, I hate that I just said that, but like I forgot that I like actually was in a relationship whenever I was just talking. I didn't mean like I forget like whenever I just said that sentence, I completely didn't even think that I was in like a very short lived actual relationship Like that just doesn't even seem like it happened anymore.

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Speaker 2: It was very fast, it was and it was in my.

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Speaker 5: From my home, so it kind of was just like something fun. But yeah, I think, honestly, I think once my divorce is final, it's gonna open up new doors for me in a weird way, Like a lot of stuff I do is in private, right you know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do know.

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Speaker 1: Did you amber find that like it was hard to start dating because in California, as we all know, it takes like six months and that's just for a regular old divorce to happen six months, six months to a year. A year. Yeahs a very long time. And you know, I guess depending on what you feel most comfortable with, putting your life on hold or just moving on.

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Speaker 2: Was it hard for you to start dating after no marriage?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I did it probably a very unhealthy way because I was not in a great place. But I went within two weeks I had met someone and I was like ran into the arms of someone.

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Speaker 2: Is that the guy that you were engaged to too? Yes?

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Speaker 4: That was two weeks? Yeah, yeah, damn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I wish I had something like that though, because it would like take my focus off of all the bull crap I have to deal with all the time.

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Speaker 3: It was in a way, but after now being out of that relationship for three years, I realized I did not grieve my marriage. Yeah, I really didn't. And I find that that is one of the most important things.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for me, there was a lot. There was a lot to grieve.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just a typical like Okay, everything's clean and dry.

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Speaker 2: We just fell out of love. There was a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Trauma and many years of dysfunction, and I just I did it wrong. I would highly not recommend doing what I and really giving myself the time to like stop and briefe. But there was also a lot of healing that I learned by being in a relationship in the beginning that oh there are decentish people out there, and I can give my heart to someone. At some point, I just did it not in the best best way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Jannon always says that my standards are very low, Like.

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Speaker 6: You've gotten so much better seeing red flags, and now I'm like so proud of you. When when you recognize red flag and you do then you're like, I can't do this.

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Speaker 5: But meaning like when she says that, she's meaning like, because I compare something that any man should be already doing in a relationship anyway, and I'm like, oh my god, he's like this, he's like that, And she's like, you just don't have anything good to compare it to.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, that's bare minimal.

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Speaker 2: That would that my experience?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it's a lot of women's experience. We're so conditioned to think that, like the just like basic human decency when it comes to male and female interactions, is they deserve a gold star.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, they should be making you feel special. Your time is.

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Speaker 1: Valuable and you're worth giving time to. And I feel like once I because it was like nine months after I left our ex to where I actually.

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Speaker 5: But like.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like we were in like a I wish maybe I would have stayed sexually active throughout the whole thing, all right, that would have been nice.

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Speaker 3: It was like we're like more like the Mormons were. As you took him from me, but thank you, by the way, thank you he took for me.

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Speaker 2: But by the way, if the new girls listening, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And you're welcome to the club whenever you're done.

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Speaker 5: And you know what I always say, there's always a spot for Alissa.

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Speaker 4: I love it, always love it. Is that her name or is that the name? You can that's he?

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Speaker 2: That's her name? I Alicia.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's like one of them you have as ley.

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Speaker 1: Name for oh, but I like her. I like her a lot. I hear she focks around on him. I'm like, she's the smartest bit.

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Speaker 2: She's on her dated. We should be doing that. I know she should write book.

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Speaker 1: There was a time, let me tell you, he was out of town and there was the finest football player who had slid into my d MS. He was like six six. He still plays in the league. He's had like eighteen years of a career. And he was like, oh, just wait. So he and he would like invite me to his birthday parties and would invite me to like his family barbecues, like he was like normal. But I was seeing your ex and there was one night and I was fully sober at this point. There was one night that he wanted me to come over to his place and I let. I took my ring off. You know this, Brittany, because I came to your apartment after ooh, I took my I left my ring at home and I was like, I'm gonna go see Oh, yes, I do remember. And I was driving there and I had such a pit in my stomach and I sent him a message. I'm like, I'm so sorry, but I'm not coming, Like my conscience is not allowing me and he finally wrote me and he was like, I don't know what type of dysfunctional relationship you're in, but like I'm now letting you know I don't want any part of it. Have a good life. Please don't contact me anymore. And I came to your house and just sobbed. I was you can't believe that I would like leave my ring at home. And then when I was ready to leave my ex, I was like, I shut up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, showing you a picture, I'm like, this guy, I could have had him in.

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Speaker 2: Side of me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Did I stay faithful to you? You fucking toad?

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Speaker 5: Jesus?

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Speaker 4: You know what about who you are? Conscious?

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Speaker 5: It's not no, Yeah, you didn't do anything wrong, you didn't cheat, you didn't do anything, so you don't have to worry about that. Yeah, and I feel too. In my relationship. I'm like, I didn't no wrong to that man, so I can walk away knowing that I'm a good person totally.

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Speaker 2: You know you do you believe he cheated on you in the marriage.

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Speaker 5: I don't think in the marriage. No, but no, I honestly do not.

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Speaker 1: We even use all the Reddit threads we were to whatever they are blind tag.

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Speaker 5: I don't look at Reddit. Shit, Reddit can kiss my ass, but.

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Speaker 2: That would have been like blind tag. What are those the blind?

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Speaker 5: I don't think when we were married he did because he was like, like, my we were together twenty four seven, Like when were we not together?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Can you guys even think we worked together? We did everything together.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys? Like could you pick up his phone? And oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 5: He had all I had all his passwords, I had everything. I would use his phone, he would use my phone, like and honestly, he was just sleeping, snoring on the couch and farting everywhere. So like like I'm just saying like he was just like with me all the time, and I just I knew everything about him. I knew everything he was doing everything that Like, I honestly do not think when we were where we were when we were married that he did anything. I think he probably cheated on me more than I know about when we were dating.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah I could see that, Okay.

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Speaker 5: Because there were times where I was like I knew, I just knew he did, but he would just never like admit to it. And I can never get one percent proof, but my gut has never been wrong.

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: And you so if you had that feeling while you guys were dating and you still chose to marry him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking like early on in our relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, within the yeah, yes, like not even.

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Speaker 5: I mean we've been we were together for ten years, so it's a long time. We were married for five. Yeah, so I mean technically we're still married. So do we still count these days?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Are you celebrating?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, we were there for a long time. And then obviously after I found out he cheated on me, which I will not say her name, but when I found out that he cheated on me, I don't think that he did after that.

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Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And then honestly, because his dad passed away and I was there for him throughout that.

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Speaker 4: That like brought us back together.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know if we would have got married and everything if that didn't happen, if we didn't go through that together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I.

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Speaker 5: Was done for long a while, and people think that he broke up with me after that, which did not happen whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: No, And I also don't think you were given time to process that entire thing because then his dad passed away. Obviously that takes priority, yeah, for anything, and you kind of had to push your feelings to the side and just be there for him. You didn't have to. I shouldn't say that, but you chose to. And I think that that speaks volumes about who you are and who you were in that marriage. And I know that it's hard because even with you know, our ex, the biggest thing was you know, well, you should have known what you were getting into.

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Speaker 5: I know people say that to me. I hate that because they don't know what it's like to actually be in our relationship. They just know what they see. No, and that that comment makes me so mad. I get every single day, like I know, like, you are not a victim, you knew what you were getting into. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, how dare you? Well, you are not my wife.

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Speaker 1: No, and when your heart is involved, that is a scary and dangerous place.

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Speaker 2: Like you ignore a lot of things, you never lot of things, yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: So of course justify a lot of things. Yes, excuses for bad behavior, oh yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: And then your gay.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and manipulation and.

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Speaker 1: Everything I know so it's very easy, Like I can call someone's relationship out from a mile away because my heart's not involved exactly.

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Speaker 2: You can't see it when you're in it.

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Speaker 4: Totally.

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Speaker 1: Jennet, you have one of the most beautiful marriages than you that I've ever seen. Thank you, and I hope again. I didn't watch season one of The Valley. I didn't sit down and watch season two, but I I was picking up what everyone was laying and I don't feel like it gets the credit that it deserves. Do you find that reality TV, in that spotlight on your marriage is a productive thing or does it hurt?

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Speaker 6: I think whatever is really going on in real life, reality TV amplifies it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So for Jason and I, you know, before the show, I would go to my girlfriends to talk about like, you know, little petty things that happen in our group, or like if I was upset with somebody or something like that. It would normally be like my girlfriends that I would go to. I'd run over, you know, a block away to Britney's house and be like.

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Speaker 4: You know, so and so did this. I'm so upset.

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Speaker 6: Now Jason like has a newfound I guess like invested interest in because our personal lives are on the show. The show kind of made him more of my girlfriend in that sense. That is so so he wants to know what's going on because like, especially while we're filming, like you know, it's like, oh, well, this just happened with this person. Instead of it being like go talk to your girlfriends about that, like I'm here, you know, if you really need me, he's like, well, what happened with them? Because he wants to make sure that like he's giving me the right advice of like how to deal with it, and like he just wants he cares more.

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Speaker 4: About what's going on in that sense.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So for us, it opened up a lot more conversations in our marriage that we didn't have before. Like before it was like we would have conversations about our marriage and about our dynamic. But now he's like, okay, so, like what happened with you in Britain, Lalla this weekend? Like you know, did you guys have a good time? Was there any like beef? You know, stuff like that. He likes to know kind of where I'm at with my friends more, and so he kind of became like more of my like girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: I love that and too, our pillow talk.

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Speaker 6: Is kind of expanded beyond just like our family and our relationship to like, don't tell me like the tea that is.

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Speaker 2: My dream is.

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Speaker 1: I love when I can be with a group of chicks, Gia Gia Judas his.

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Speaker 2: Boyfriend is like this. He doesn't change the dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, like you know what brings their husband or whatever, and you fucking Joe's coming.

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Speaker 5: Ye always, I'm like, Jason can hang out with us and he like just as part of like the talk, you know, like it doesn't he doesn't make you feel a certain way or anything. He's he's just a good guy. I've be one of the girls and he gives the best advice. He's very calm and logical. Yeah, I am not in that sense.

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Speaker 6: I can be very emotional, Like I always like what we call like press the nuke button where I'm like, all right, I'm quitting, I'm done. I'm fully never talking to that person again. And he's like, you're pressing the nuke destroying everything. He's like, how about instead of that, why don't you tell them how you feel you care about this person? You don't want to never speak to them again, why don't you do this and this and this, And he gives me like the calm logical advice, which sometimes I'm like, shut up, or the next day you'd be like, oh go on. He said that, you know, like okay, you know what? Yeah, like alright, I did the thing. I texted them and told him I'm upset. I'm like instead of just you know, blocking them out everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, so lot did you guys, you and Janet know each other before the Valley? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so how I know Brittany as we started season four of vander Pump Rules together.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and Janet? When did you and I? Actually I have photos of us.

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Speaker 6: Very young, yeah, and drunk, so it's been Yeah. The first time I remember hanging out with you is at a bar with Hope, who was like in some of the.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I still and he'd tried to annoy it, like we all knew that was true, and what the heck doesn'tmit it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the three of us were at like a bar restaurant on No Rose, talking.

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Speaker 4: Probably about James and stuff that was going.

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Speaker 2: It's called dime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I went there a lot to get wasted.

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Speaker 2: It was a hell of a time.

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Speaker 5: People don't realize that Janet's been around for so long, Like you even if you watch Vanner pump Roulls, like you see her crying at my wedding, like they like crying at my wedding, Like she's been around before that buddy.

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Speaker 6: But just yeah, everybody's you know, birthdays or big events that were filmed. Now people will be like, is that Janet in the background here, and they'll do a freeze frame. But I kind of like steered clear, like if they were actually filming something, I would just be like, I'm going to be over here like it.

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Speaker 4: It always intimidated me a little bit.

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Speaker 5: But honestly, I like that about people, Like I don't like when we have friends around who are camera thirsty.

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Speaker 2: I do not clean any of those exactly.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I feel about some people that I have been around.

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Speaker 6: Other people bring around h I'm not going to make a scene, but I will eat a lot in the background.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of like little clips.

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Speaker 6: I feel like where I'm just like mowing food in the background of total.

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Speaker 1: So, Janet's been in the mix for a really long time, and there was just something about Janet that I just you're the.

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Speaker 2: Funniest person on the planet.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: There are certain people who make a party right, and I feel like you're one of them. If you say you can't come, I'm bummed. My gaze, they make a party. Oh they're the best, honestly, my little group. I'm like, if anyone can't make it, we're like we're like friends. You know, ensemble cast. You can't create that show without Phoebe. I'm not talking about show, I'm talking about my life. Yeah, yeah, I look at.

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Speaker 2: It that way.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just so it is weird though, coming on to a show where I'm like, hold on, yeah, so this is your.

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Speaker 2: Pane, It's a day wonder what the is? It's never been a day Wanner in my life.

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Speaker 4: That's wild.

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Speaker 2: And so this is your first this is your first season.

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Speaker 1: This is my season where I'm okay full time on the Bellley, But I've never been a day war Er on vander Pump, on this show.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 6: You kind of were though, I know, I guess like as a friend, but you were at the first thing that we filmed all as a cast together, which was my birthday at Britney's house.

00:21:13
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the carnivals you have a title car though, that's how they gauge it.

00:21:18
Speaker 2: Okay, So I will never be an OG of this show either.

00:21:21
Speaker 3: So were you guys skeptical at all by Lala coming on?

00:21:25
Speaker 5: No? I wanted Lala on. I wanted la On Shorts specifically to come on.

00:21:32
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, Yes.

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Speaker 5: And you actually talked to me about it, and you were because you were worried, remember you like, were am I gonna like fit in with everybody? I remember like having that conversation, and I was like, You're going to get to know these people so much more just because you're going to be sending actually actual time with them, because we're going to be filming together. So you might not feel like you know everybody in the beginning, but you will eventually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on it once the conversation, because I mean the conversation of me joining the show had been floating around.

00:22:02
Speaker 2: For like over a year.

00:22:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:22:05
Speaker 1: And then when it was like we actually have a paper in front of us, like an offer, and I went to Brittany and I was like, I just I asked those questions, but I also wanted to know, like, is this okay with you?

00:22:18
Speaker 2: Because even though it is an ensemble cast.

00:22:20
Speaker 1: Without Jackson Brittany, the show would not be picked up, right, Like, they're the ones that they're the names behind it, and you know, put our names and then right, and then you hope that the people that are attached to it are interesting enough to like make a name for themselves on their own. So I just wanted to make sure with Brittany, like, are you cool with me kind of coming into this dynamic? You're very kind about it. Obviously you were like sure.

00:22:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure.

00:22:50
Speaker 5: Like me, so that'd be nice.

00:22:54
Speaker 4: Was the opposite.

00:22:55
Speaker 6: I liked both of you too much, Like I was afraid same thing when you were like, hey, would you do this show? Like we're you know, putting names down? Do you at least talk to producers? These friendships have existed before the cameras, So my fear was are the cameras going to change that dynamic?

00:23:10
Speaker 5: You know?

00:23:11
Speaker 6: Are we going to be forced to have conversations we you know, wouldn't have otherwise? Is it going to damage these friendships at all? So any fear I had of Lala coming in it was the same fear I had of joining this show, which was the friendships come first, and I would much rather never be a part of the show and have those friendships for the rest of my life than have any sort of damage come from them.

00:23:30
Speaker 4: And like have the show.

00:23:31
Speaker 2: It still worries me.

00:23:32
Speaker 1: It doesn't worry me with you because you and I met on a show, so like we know your cast mates, yes, and we have our friendship friendship.

00:23:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not a friendship at beginning, so we like know the drill.

00:23:47
Speaker 1: But when it comes to you, when it comes to Michelle, like I do get nervous because just having cameras adds another element. It's like, if you had this concern, why wouldn't you bring it up to me off camera? And it's like, you know, I really wish I could answer that, but I don't know how because like we've signed up for this, and I want to be I want to be authentic and and not ruin storylines. But I also don't want to blindside you because I really love you. And what's hard is, as you know, like I'm I'm such an open book that I forget that other.

00:24:20
Speaker 2: People like still have private lives like I don't.

00:24:23
Speaker 5: I don't I think if you sign up for reality TV, that's that's a line that you that you signed like you you have to share your life, yeah, or don't do reality TV.

00:24:31
Speaker 1: Fully, I agree with you, but I think some people when you first sign up for it, that is a tough pill to swallow, and you you don't quite know how to differentiate between the two. And I always say, you know, there's it's reality versus reality and the world sometimes Clyde, but you have to be able to say, like, even though this is happening for real, it's like not real because it's going into a a into a producer's hands to like mold it and flip it and make get entertaining for somebody.

00:25:01
Speaker 5: But it's real, like our conversations are real. There are everything. But like normally I would just like maybe like call Janet right away and be like I just want you to know bahlah blah. But while that three months is happening, I won't have to wait until we have a scene together. But it's still very real. But that's our job and we're lucky to have our job, so I take it seriously.

00:25:23
Speaker 4: Too, And that was the hardest part for me.

00:25:24
Speaker 6: I feel like season one, I would try to call you after every scene I feel like, or every moment that was filmed and just be like, okay, so this just and you were like, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

00:25:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't talk about it now and talk about it again tomorrow. Like it doesn't feel authentic to me, so like it's not people call me all the time. I'm like, just wait until you see me tomorrow to tell me because.

00:25:44
Speaker 4: Now I feel like I've gotten way better at that.

00:25:46
Speaker 5: But you're also brand new, like you were how it works. We've been doing this for ten years, law law, but like now there are three seasons in so like they're getting you know, that's not a short amount of time, Like they're the ways of really patients.

00:26:02
Speaker 3: Ye.

00:26:02
Speaker 6: Now I'm like, okay, I know that when cameras are set up tomorrow, we'll have this conversation. Yeah, Like same thing, Like we can't call each other immediately like we would if we weren't filming in that moment.

00:26:11
Speaker 4: We just have to wait and to that.

00:26:14
Speaker 6: In the same way that like Jason and I's marriage, I feel like it amplifies whatever you have. We had beautiful friendships off camera before we started filming, and all of those I feel like we're amplified in a good way. Once cameras are around because you spend more time together when you're filming, and you know, get to create new you know, memories, new trips, new stuff. So you know, any fear I had of like, well, the cameras destroy this, it's like it's only going to destroy.

00:26:38
Speaker 4: What could already be destroyed.

00:26:39
Speaker 5: I love that.

00:26:40
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:26:41
Speaker 5: I think for me too with reality TV, since we're talking about like that kind of stuff, like I'm not I'm the person who will let anything go, Like I won't confront things. I would rather just let it like I would rather overthink about it in my head and not really like say anything. But I think like having the cameras there and having to confront a lot of things that like maybe I would never bring it up or say something like it kind of made me a stronger person. Y.

00:27:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like is this really that important to bring it up when cameras are rolling, Like if you you know, you could say it behind closed doors, but sometimes I would imagine you want to say, like is this really that important?

00:27:15
Speaker 2: Am I really upset?

00:27:16
Speaker 3: Right?

00:27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know how you were talking about your your story is just as important and you take on the role of like the script you're reading and I don't want people to take this as like I'm not La La, because I am. But I feel like i'm very much like learned from Utah, where like I don't want confrontation and I pick my battles when I have a camera on, and it's like you pick every fuck in battle for me.

00:27:42
Speaker 2: It is so empowering.

00:27:45
Speaker 1: So when people say like you're so confident, I'm like, that bitch is confident like me.

00:27:49
Speaker 2: Not so much.

00:27:49
Speaker 1: Like if you were to like be mean to me right now, I would like make it okay and like go hi.

00:27:55
Speaker 5: I don't know.

00:27:56
Speaker 2: I don't know, really, I don't I don't know if you would how would you be someone mean to me? Well, just.

00:28:03
Speaker 1: On reality TV because you've been acting for so long taking on another role how you see it, But this is you're taking on yourself as the role.

00:28:14
Speaker 3: Right.

00:28:14
Speaker 2: First of all depends on the day.

00:28:16
Speaker 3: Right, Some days I wake up and I'm like, I'm gonna fucking come for your jugular, And other days I'm like, you know what we're gonna practice forgiveness today? I know because that's that's what I learned in the mor matuch or that's what my new spirituality are. Being sober we take pauses now, but sometimes you know this, I could be good one day and then the next day I'm calling you and I'm like bitching and crying and screaming, and You're like, oh, she's sucking on one.

00:28:40
Speaker 2: I'm ill like this motherfucker on fire. I'm like, yeah, I got the guest.

00:28:43
Speaker 5: Yeah. Sometimes, and I think we're like that though, yeah, yeah, just because we have to. Like there's days where I'm like, I don't know if I can do this today, but you just have to do it, you know, like you just it's through it. Yeah, And that's what I mean. I said, it made me stronger because like you're you're still like doing things that like maybe I would be seeing on my couch and like overthinking things instead, but instead I'm like, I'm kind of always having a conversation with lah Lah, like you hurt my feelings when you said this blah blah blah, instead of like overthinking it by myself. Right, yeah, right, yeah, right, even if you don't want to, you know, kind of opens doors.

00:29:20
Speaker 2: Isn't it hard to talk about sex on camera?

00:29:23
Speaker 6: It was at first, and there are definitely still times because you also get so close with the crew, like the sound guys, the camera guys, like the assistance, everybody who's there, like you get to know and like, but not well enough for me to like go up to like the sound. I'd be like, I don't give blow jobs, or like you maybe or like say something like you know to them.

00:29:42
Speaker 2: Do you give blow jobs?

00:29:43
Speaker 4: I do, just not to completion?

00:29:48
Speaker 2: Is that like a new thing?

00:29:50
Speaker 5: Always?

00:29:51
Speaker 3: It's been always okay, always. That takes a lot of communication, by the way, Yeah, I would love to hear how that conversation is. Yeah, how does that conversation Jason being like can I and me being the no, thank you.

00:30:02
Speaker 5: Do it for a while. But job is what you do to like get warmed up. That's so like if they got off, I'd be pissed because that I'm like ready to have exactly in my mouth.

00:30:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I every time before, but what but not you know, I'm like, then we have sex?

00:30:18
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly?

00:30:19
Speaker 2: Is that even?

00:30:20
Speaker 3: Would you guys do that with a with a stranger like on a say, third or fourth day blow job?

00:30:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes.

00:30:27
Speaker 4: They know what they're getting into.

00:30:29
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I'm a lot freakier than people will know what you know.

00:30:37
Speaker 6: Yesterday we found the best real housewife tagline.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: Name I know what's up with this bitch?

00:30:44
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he has the best.

00:30:46
Speaker 4: Real housewife tagline that we discovered yesterday.

00:30:48
Speaker 2: What is it?

00:30:49
Speaker 5: Maybe a southern bill but I'm freaky as hell? Isn't that good?

00:30:53
Speaker 2: That's so good? I love it.

00:30:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, this podcast, that's the only thing with me talking about that kind of stuff. Is like my parents like I don't care about you guys, or like people like my friends are like whatever I think about like my people back home.

00:31:17
Speaker 3: My mom, she's like, well, why do you have to I said, Mom, I'm about this podcast. Just yeah, about sexual stuff. I'm super comfortable talking about sex. I'm an actress. I've done it on like I I told all of this before on a podcast. It's like, sometimes I'm more comfortable performing sexual stuff on camera because I'm playing a character in my own life. And Mom's like, what I don't like just because it makes some people uncomfortable.

00:31:42
Speaker 2: I find it. Actually that's like a it's a blessing.

00:31:45
Speaker 3: It's a gift because there are a lot of women who want to talk about sexual things, but they either get ashamed or they get embarrassed, and it's like we shouldn't be embarrassed.

00:31:54
Speaker 2: No, and I feel that way. I and I.

00:31:56
Speaker 3: You know, that's why I think that we like talking about float jobs, float jobs, eating ass.

00:32:03
Speaker 2: It needs to be spoken. I don't do that either.

00:32:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't say I don't think you do that.

00:32:10
Speaker 2: There's no way I eat. Yeah, there's certain.

00:32:13
Speaker 5: Things we don't need to discuss on the podcast.

00:32:15
Speaker 6: Oh my, that's a yes, because she would say no otherwise.

00:32:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, for real, you guys are some No. But yeah, but I have to be I have to be fucking into you. Oh yeah, I could ever do that. So no.

00:32:31
Speaker 1: Brittany and I when we started talking about like talking to these younger guys, she was like, I feel like we can teach them, to teach them.

00:32:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I know we could.

00:32:42
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:32:43
Speaker 2: They're over there looking at us like we're going to do what to my balls? I'm like, buddy, that's the thing, and.

00:32:49
Speaker 4: Her ass is next?

00:32:53
Speaker 2: Can I tell you?

00:32:54
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys, this is a public service announcement on the topics of eating booty. I just want to say it is a must that both parties shower first.

00:33:06
Speaker 2: All right, there we go.

00:33:16
Speaker 5: My mom better not listen to this.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna.

00:33:26
Speaker 5: From listening to this.

00:33:28
Speaker 1: Which is so funny because my mom is like, I don't need to listen to the podcast because I get the live version.

00:33:34
Speaker 5: We talked about before. You're very open with your mom about that, But.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: People think I'm weird.

00:33:39
Speaker 1: People are like, this is not normal, and I'm like, the woman shoved me out of her vagina. If I can talk about sex to a bunch of fucking strangers, I can talk about it with my mother.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: I am actually starting to talk to your mom about that stuff because I'm like, hey, Lisa, I have a question for you.

00:33:52
Speaker 2: I would never go to my.

00:33:53
Speaker 5: Mom yeah either, Yeah, like my mom and I are so close, but it's just something I just like hit. I don't want to know what hers doing anything. I would rather keep that that part separate.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you all about me like you not. You can talk to Claude, though I.

00:34:15
Speaker 6: Can my mom like jokingly, like I feel like or if I guess if I had a really serious, like marital sex issue, like I would I would go to her.

00:34:23
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's one jokes.

00:34:26
Speaker 5: Where we're from. You just like the South I'm from, well, Kentucky is like the cutoff so like, but we're connected so Ohio, Kentucky bordering states. Yeah, we like that's just we just don't do that.

00:34:39
Speaker 6: I like make a joke about sexyphia mom and if there was something like wrong with me or you know what I mean like that, I like like I could talk to my mom about my vagina, like I was experiencing something that was interfering with my sex.

00:34:49
Speaker 5: Well that's different. But yeah, yeah, it's mostly.

00:34:52
Speaker 4: Jokey stuff with my mom.

00:34:53
Speaker 2: Okay, that's female health.

00:34:55
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:34:55
Speaker 4: She also lives so close to us.

00:34:57
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't want her in her house to back yard work. Well we just share walls. There's like no I know, but is it like.

00:35:03
Speaker 1: Don't come in the house because Jason and I are going to have fun or like can you take the kid?

00:35:07
Speaker 2: What is that like?

00:35:08
Speaker 4: It's not like we're doing afternoon delights.

00:35:10
Speaker 2: Let's be real.

00:35:11
Speaker 1: Why not?

00:35:11
Speaker 2: Wait?

00:35:11
Speaker 5: Why not? That's my favorite thing right now.

00:35:14
Speaker 6: He's a full time lawyer, Like he wouldn't take off work for sex.

00:35:17
Speaker 4: We can do it when it is off time.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: Have you tried?

00:35:21
Speaker 4: No, I'm trying.

00:35:22
Speaker 6: I like it right in the evenings or actually I would prefer morning before we start our days.

00:35:26
Speaker 4: If we're up to I would get.

00:35:27
Speaker 3: Dressed up and pretend like I'm his secretary and knocking the store out, like mister.

00:35:31
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we love a good role played. Oh my, heck yeah the best. You should like meet him out at a bar and then like a lace outfit that has the vagina cutouts.

00:35:41
Speaker 6: It's just yeahs And I feel like that's where we have like our more romantic moments like that, and it feels like like first date kind of situation. Know what you and Jason should get because he would love this because he's like so sexy but like a little awkward, which makes like doesn't realize which is the hotter. Yes, you should get that thing that you put in the underwear and it's a vibrator and he can click it wherever you guys go.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: And I go out to dinner.

00:36:09
Speaker 4: I do think he would like that.

00:36:10
Speaker 2: He would like it and you would like it too. Is there one for the guys?

00:36:13
Speaker 3: Like you could have a penis ring on him and then you could.

00:36:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, you totally could.

00:36:17
Speaker 6: You could do he would like that part of it. I feel like he would like to have the control of the butt.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: So don't do that.

00:36:21
Speaker 2: He would get don't do the penis part.

00:36:22
Speaker 6: He knows I would totally take advantage of the button. I'd be like zooming him every time the waiter came here.

00:36:34
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: That was such a good impression.

00:36:38
Speaker 6: Today, you know, Valentine's Day is coming up, so maybe I need to look into this, you must, I think, I I think I'm sold.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, So this morning.

00:36:50
Speaker 1: Janet came over to eat her bagel in mine in Amber's room, and we were having a conversation about what sex really actually means. And I for many years have well I've I've gone completely cold, no sex, like full celibacy and then like just fucking everything that I see.

00:37:13
Speaker 3: And we noticed on the car ride over here today, how.

00:37:18
Speaker 1: But there's there hasn't been in probably five years, maybe even beyond that, because I really don't count my ex And that's not throwing shade, that's just very much how it was. But I haven't had intimacy in a long time. And I don't think sex equals intimacy.

00:37:34
Speaker 2: But what a.

00:37:35
Speaker 1: Woman who's in like a partnership or a marriage like you, Janet, where it's like, how.

00:37:41
Speaker 2: Does that four play start?

00:37:42
Speaker 1: Because you think about four plane, you're like, oh yeah, fingerbait me, Oh yeah, but I'm like as a as a woman, and I don't know how you are, Brittany, but.

00:37:54
Speaker 2: Yes you are. But I love this energy needs like.

00:37:57
Speaker 1: Softness, and I need you to like like touch my bum like give me hugs and let me know like it is on tonight.

00:38:04
Speaker 4: That's important.

00:38:05
Speaker 2: Like what is the foreplay that you and Jason?

00:38:08
Speaker 1: What do you communicate with him to let him know like we're having sex tonight?

00:38:11
Speaker 6: You know, early on in our relationship, I feel like it would be like we get into bed and he'd be like, do you want to have sex? And it'd be like, I mean as so much as that sells me on it, like really like but like Jason very much takes notes, and our sex life is very important to us. When we go like more than a week or two, we both start like just picking at each other.

00:38:31
Speaker 4: And then once we do it, we're.

00:38:33
Speaker 2: Like, oh I do like you yeah, like how about that?

00:38:36
Speaker 6: So he takes notes like if I'm like, hey, this is what I'm needing, he very much will do it. And so one of the things I feel like early on is like the foreplay for me starts like how about like a lingering kiss? Like when you come out for your lunch break, or like just take a second to like, you know, tell me I look cute, or just those little moments. Then all day I'm like thinking about you, or I'm thinking about that kiss, or I'm thinking about like kind of touched my butt when I was like doing the dishes or like something like that. Like, Yeah, it's those little moments that then for the rest of the day, I'm like, God, that was really cute, and like I'm kind of like, you know, like giddy over him. And then when we get into bed, it's like he doesn't have to ask. I'm like I'm right there. I'm like, you're ready, ready to go. I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't stop thinking about that kiss you gave me earlier.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Like it's a slow up.

00:39:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a very slow like little crumbs where you eventually get to the end of the week or whatever.

00:39:28
Speaker 2: Your sex. Yes, I just rip each other's clothes off.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, So because Britt, you and I get no, but.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: You and I like yeah no.

00:39:37
Speaker 5: Like I love that par and Jyson have that because that was something that was missing in my and I talked about it very openly on the show and everything like after I had my son, it was like non existent and then you like start resenting your partner totally, right, and like that's so real.

00:39:53
Speaker 1: So you and I talk about sex in a very similar way. Yeah, sorry, surey, But do you think that once it's time to get into an actual partnership, like do you crave those types of things?

00:40:10
Speaker 2: Or are you and I just the type of we're like, yeah, bend me over, fuck me because that's how you and I talk, you know.

00:40:17
Speaker 1: But so I'm like, are we in a maze of life where it's like that's just what we want.

00:40:23
Speaker 5: We're not in a relationship, so like we're very different.

00:40:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had a sexual like then we would need the like yeah, we would need the build up and the whatever.

00:40:36
Speaker 5: Right now, we're just like give it to any baby.

00:40:39
Speaker 2: Like boom boom boom.

00:40:41
Speaker 4: I feel like I still have those ones.

00:40:43
Speaker 6: It's normally like after a night of drinking Jesse, I come home the next morning, I'm like, let's not talk about that.

00:40:49
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, were we not us?

00:40:55
Speaker 1: Only imagine Brittany with some drinks in her I really feel like she turns into like full cowgirl. Yeah you know that makes me so happy.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: You as you should.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys for not only flying out to San Francisco to support an Unlikely Affair and party. That was so nice of you. I rock with you guys so hard. I adore you both. Thank you for being on the podcast.

00:41:25
Speaker 2: Amber. You know how I feel about you, baby reverse Cowgirl. You better believe it.

00:41:32
Speaker 1: You guys, thank you so much for listening to another episode of an Unlikely Affair.

00:41:36
Speaker 2: We're going to catch you next week. Thanks guys.

00:41:38
Speaker 4: Bye,