DENNIS SHARES HIS BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS FROM THE STATE OF MISSOURI | THEY CAME INTO OUR CAMPSITE!!!

<v Speaker 1>All right, Dennis, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you
<v Speaker 1>doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Doing well? And thanks for the invite.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
<v Speaker 3>Dennis.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot experiences from the very beginning, please,
<v Speaker 1>all right.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a long story, but I grew up
<v Speaker 2>in Saint Louis. I was born and raised right here
<v Speaker 2>in Saint Louis, Missouri, in nineteen fifty eight. But I
<v Speaker 2>was very fortunate to have had relatives that lived in
<v Speaker 2>Bloomsdale and some of the rural areas of Missouri back
<v Speaker 2>then in the sixties. So I spent quite a bit
<v Speaker 2>of time either on their farms or in their cabins.
<v Speaker 2>And the woods really were my playground. So I was
<v Speaker 2>more comfortable in the woods and forests of Missouri than
<v Speaker 2>I was here in Saint Louis. But I felt very,
<v Speaker 2>very lucky because you had the opportunity to experience those things,
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people from the city they don't
<v Speaker 2>get out, you know. Now. I don't know about people
<v Speaker 2>my age. Maybe they did because it was rule, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to go very far out of Saint
<v Speaker 2>Louis before it was rule, so I did get an
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to experience those things that stuck in my blood,
<v Speaker 2>you know. It kind of grew up that way. The
<v Speaker 2>old ways of living and the old ways of looking
<v Speaker 2>at the forest and surviving in the forest and things
<v Speaker 2>like that. I was taught very young, and those things
<v Speaker 2>have stayed with me all these years. I love to
<v Speaker 2>backpack and hike, and I have entered a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the systems here in Missouri and continued to do so
<v Speaker 2>to this day. I just got off of Bell Mountain
<v Speaker 2>from the northern terminus. I spent one night in two
<v Speaker 2>days in the Bell Mountain wilderness. So these are things
<v Speaker 2>that I like to do. As far as the Bigfoot phenomenon,
<v Speaker 2>as far back as I can remember, I was a kid,
<v Speaker 2>and I read the story of Marlon Perkins and Edmund
<v Speaker 2>Hillary when they went to Nepal to prove or disprove
<v Speaker 2>the existence of Yetti. Well, in my mind, they I
<v Speaker 2>knew they existed, you know, And even though I didn't
<v Speaker 2>have any proof, it just seemed to me that these
<v Speaker 2>beings were real. So it kind of started with Perkins
<v Speaker 2>and Hillary and it went on from there. In the sixties,
<v Speaker 2>my uncle's farm, well actually my great uncle's cabin, and
<v Speaker 2>it was in rural Bloomsdale at the time. He and
<v Speaker 2>his wife in the thirties they felled the trees and
<v Speaker 2>built this two room log cabin and had built the
<v Speaker 2>fireplace from stones from the creek, and it backed up
<v Speaker 2>to these woods that I don't know how many acres
<v Speaker 2>it was back then, but to me it seemed like limited,
<v Speaker 2>you know, limitless forest. So I spent many many years
<v Speaker 2>out there as a kid, and a lot of months
<v Speaker 2>in the say, the whole summer months with them, and
<v Speaker 2>the forest was my playground, my sister and I we
<v Speaker 2>would we considered it ours. We would play in there forever.
<v Speaker 2>So I grew up loving nature and it has never
<v Speaker 2>left me in this I remember one night in the cabin.
<v Speaker 2>This was probably in the mid sixties, and it was
<v Speaker 2>pretty late at night, I'm guessing it was around midnight,
<v Speaker 2>we heard this strange knocking in the woods and I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't rationalize what it was, you know, I thought maybe
<v Speaker 2>it was an illegal logging operation. You know, you living
<v Speaker 2>in an area where you live, perhaps I'm not really
<v Speaker 2>sure if you know this or not. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>people will come on to your property and fell your trees.
<v Speaker 2>If you've got hardwood trees, they'll they'll take them without
<v Speaker 2>your knowledge, you know. Anyway, I thought maybe it was
<v Speaker 2>some illegal loggers taking wood from the forest. But I
<v Speaker 2>heard this knocking, you know, on on a tree, and
<v Speaker 2>it just rberated throughout the entire valley of where my uncle's,
<v Speaker 2>my great uncle's cabin was, and I couldn't figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>This affiliated woodpecker was somebody taking trees at night. I
<v Speaker 2>have no idea, So that to me was a mystery.
<v Speaker 2>It seemed to be something I just couldn't get a
<v Speaker 2>grip on. I couldn't explain it. You know. Years later,
<v Speaker 2>of course, you find out that one of the ways
<v Speaker 2>of communication for the bigfoot is to knock on trees,
<v Speaker 2>So I'll put that in that category that they must have.
<v Speaker 2>There must have been a small population of bigfoot. And
<v Speaker 2>back in the sixties, I didn't know what a big
<v Speaker 2>foot was. You know. My grandfather had tales of some
<v Speaker 2>swamp creature in the ok Finochi Swamp, and he used
<v Speaker 2>to tell me these stories all the time because he's
<v Speaker 2>from the South, and he would tell me the stories
<v Speaker 2>of this creature that would inhabit the Oki Finocchi, and
<v Speaker 2>so all these stories are in my head and they're
<v Speaker 2>going around and I'm thinking, amount these beings have to exist.
<v Speaker 2>They must exist. So I'm thinking, well, maybe this knocking
<v Speaker 2>on the trees, ye, you know, or some of these creatures. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to say this right off the bat, I
<v Speaker 2>think that the Bigfoot people are just that they're people.
<v Speaker 2>They're an early people. They preceded Sapian sapiens. I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I couldn't fit them into any lineage or
<v Speaker 2>anything like that is my own theory. But they seem
<v Speaker 2>to be people and not apes like a lot of
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot enthusiasts subscribe to. So anyway, get back to the story.
<v Speaker 2>So in the mid sixties I started hearing these wood
<v Speaker 2>knockings in the forest and my great aunt would always
<v Speaker 2>tell us get out of the woods at dusk, do
<v Speaker 2>not stay in the forest after dark, and she would
<v Speaker 2>make sure that we adhered to that, and I mean
<v Speaker 2>she was very stern about that. And it was only
<v Speaker 2>less than twenty feet, you know, the entrance to the
<v Speaker 2>forested area was only twenty feet behind the cabin. But
<v Speaker 2>we paid heed to that and we got out. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, you hear stories of parents telling their children,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the boogeyman will get you or whatever, Baba
<v Speaker 2>yaga or you know whatever. So although she didn't say,
<v Speaker 2>she said Baba yaga a couple of times, but we
<v Speaker 2>always thought, well, maybe there's something in there that we
<v Speaker 2>need to be careful of. So that was in the sixties.
<v Speaker 2>In the seventies, I had the pleasure of staying on
<v Speaker 2>my uncle's farm in then rural Wentzville, which was just
<v Speaker 2>west of the seventy nine corridor. When in nineteen seventy
<v Speaker 2>two in July, I was on my uncle's farm. Ten
<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night. We're all sitting around the kitchen and
<v Speaker 2>it was my sister, my uncle, my aunt, and my
<v Speaker 2>cousin and we're just all shooting a bull. You know.
<v Speaker 2>We got the dim light bulb on. And it's country
<v Speaker 2>back then, and you know, it's country, so it's all
<v Speaker 2>agricultural or forest or whatever. And he had a farm poultry.
<v Speaker 2>So we were in the kitchen and the back door
<v Speaker 2>went straight out to the back where the chicken coop was,
<v Speaker 2>and he heard some noise and he said, oh, man,
<v Speaker 2>there must be like a coyote or something trying to
<v Speaker 2>get to the chickens. He says, I'll be right back,
<v Speaker 2>So he goes out the back door. We're still in
<v Speaker 2>the house. He goes out the back of the kitchen
<v Speaker 2>door in the back, and not to Not too long
<v Speaker 2>after he went out the door, he came back in
<v Speaker 2>white is the ghost. My uncle is of Spanish descent,
<v Speaker 2>or was when he was alive. And he was very
<v Speaker 2>dark complexed, and he was as white as a ghost,
<v Speaker 2>sweating bullets, and his eyes were as big as quarters.
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, there's some very large white creature standing
<v Speaker 2>at the chicken coop trying to get the chickens. And
<v Speaker 2>he goes and I put the flash light on it,
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of moved its torso with its head
<v Speaker 2>at the same time and turned around and looked at him,
<v Speaker 2>and it ran down the gravel road. The driveway that
<v Speaker 2>went from the two lane the two lane blacktop up
<v Speaker 2>to the property was just a slight decline, but it
<v Speaker 2>ran down. He said. It went down on all fours
<v Speaker 2>and went down the driveway and when it hit the
<v Speaker 2>two lane blacktop, it stood up and crossed leapt over
<v Speaker 2>a barbed wire fence a four foot barbed wire fence,
<v Speaker 2>he said, with the grace and agility of an Olympic athlete,
<v Speaker 2>and it cut a diagonal path into the forest. So
<v Speaker 2>he comes in, he's sweat and he's telling this story.
<v Speaker 2>I believe every word he's saying. So we went to
<v Speaker 2>look for it. We grabbed a couple thirty thirties. We
<v Speaker 2>crossed the road. We clearly saw the corn had just
<v Speaker 2>been mowed down in a diagonal fashion, right into the woods.
<v Speaker 2>So he split. I went off to the left and
<v Speaker 2>he went off to the right, and we entered the woods.
<v Speaker 2>And I went in maybe one hundred yards, put my
<v Speaker 2>back against the tree and just listened for anything. But
<v Speaker 2>it was eerily quiet. I mean, no crickets, no frogs,
<v Speaker 2>no insects, no buzzing, no air was still. It was still,
<v Speaker 2>it could be. It was really kind of creepy. But
<v Speaker 2>I sat there for the longest time and just listened,
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't hear anything. I didn't see anything. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear anything. And I was out there thirty forty
<v Speaker 2>five minutes by myself. I don't know where my uncle
<v Speaker 2>went to. We went off somewhere to the right, and
<v Speaker 2>I hear him finally in the distance calling for me.
<v Speaker 2>So I worked my way back up to the forest
<v Speaker 2>line where it meets the field, and we got together
<v Speaker 2>and I asked him what he had done, and he
<v Speaker 2>did pretty much the same as I had, although he
<v Speaker 2>did see some tracks, he said, leading into the woods,
<v Speaker 2>but he was pretty apprehensive about going back in and
<v Speaker 2>showing me where they were at. So we left. We
<v Speaker 2>came back across the field, across the road back up
<v Speaker 2>to the property, and we told the family. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>they all thought, you know, that he was full of it,
<v Speaker 2>but I believed every word he said. You had to
<v Speaker 2>know his character. He was very jovial, very outgoing, extroverted
<v Speaker 2>type person, and we all are in our family. But
<v Speaker 2>he was dead serious. And the look in his eyes
<v Speaker 2>when he entered the house after seeing the being, he said,
<v Speaker 2>it was white, Harry, maybe four inches long from head
<v Speaker 2>to toe. He pretty heavy, you know, four six hundred
<v Speaker 2>pounds something like that, and he said it just moved
<v Speaker 2>so fluidly, like it was like surreal the way the
<v Speaker 2>thing could move. And when it dropped down all fours
<v Speaker 2>it really scared him. And then when it came back up,
<v Speaker 2>of course, he was beside himself So this happened a
<v Speaker 2>week or two weeks before the national headlines of Momo
<v Speaker 2>the Monster. You know, the sighting that took place in Louisiana,
<v Speaker 2>Missouri up the seventy ninth quarter, and you know, its
<v Speaker 2>just stuff from Clarksville. So as the crow flies, Wentsville
<v Speaker 2>is not that far from the seventy ninth quarter. And
<v Speaker 2>so I think personally that it was a migration event
<v Speaker 2>where they were either coming down from the north and
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were going to all meet somewhere down south.
<v Speaker 2>It seemed to me that they were traveling south, only
<v Speaker 2>because years later I read a book as somebody wrote
<v Speaker 2>a book called Bigfoot The True story of Apes in America.
<v Speaker 2>Was that Lauren Coleman or somebody like that, I can't remember,
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, there was a chapter not only on the
<v Speaker 2>Momo sightings, but also down in Cairo the same month,
<v Speaker 2>the same year, somebody saw a white Bigfoot. So I figured,
<v Speaker 2>and at that time, you know, you don't know what
<v Speaker 2>the population of these beings are. You know, there's got
<v Speaker 2>to be at least several thousand in North America. There's
<v Speaker 2>sightings everywhere, and you don't have to leave our state.
<v Speaker 2>They're here. For sure. So although I didn't see this
<v Speaker 2>white Bigfoot in seventy two, I was there and all
<v Speaker 2>the excitement that went with it. I experienced it, and
<v Speaker 2>so it just solidified my belief in these creatures.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 2>And everybody's got their own theory on what they are,
<v Speaker 2>gigantopithecus or whatever the case may be. From my experiences,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll get to the big major ones. They're people,
<v Speaker 2>these are early people. I know that there are people
<v Speaker 2>that are interested in the Bigfoot phenomenon that subscribe interdimensional
<v Speaker 2>qualities to them, or you know, something of that nature.
<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that their senses are heightened simply
<v Speaker 2>because they're covered with hair, which are really just millions
<v Speaker 2>and millions of microsensors that feed them information. So you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you grow up and you have that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you have that condition where your your whole body is
<v Speaker 2>covered with hair, just like hypertrichosis, which modern humans experience
<v Speaker 2>that today. You know, if you let's just say you
<v Speaker 2>had hypertrichosis in your genetic makeup, but in addition to that,
<v Speaker 2>you had gigantism in your genetic code from your you know,
<v Speaker 2>ancestors or whatever the case may be. What do you have.
<v Speaker 2>You have a very large being that is totally covered
<v Speaker 2>in hair. So the existence of Bigfoot is not a
<v Speaker 2>stretch at all if you think about it scientifically. But
<v Speaker 2>I think these beings are the first people's we tend
<v Speaker 2>to as modern humans when we read history, we tend
<v Speaker 2>to envision these beings are people that are written about
<v Speaker 2>as looking just like us. I don't buy it, not
<v Speaker 2>for one minute. I don't. I think that we save
<v Speaker 2>and Saviien's modern man didn't come along till later on,
<v Speaker 2>And these early writings of these beings or people, they
<v Speaker 2>did not look like us at all. I think they
<v Speaker 2>looked like the Bigfoot people. There is a case I
<v Speaker 2>read this. I don't know where I read this years ago.
<v Speaker 2>There was a Mormon member. I don't think he had
<v Speaker 2>any high position or anything. This was in the eighteen hundreds,
<v Speaker 2>and he was traveling down this dirt road on a
<v Speaker 2>donk or a mule. I think it was a mule,
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're pretty big. And he came upon him
<v Speaker 2>a giant hairy man walking down this dirt road and
<v Speaker 2>rode up to them and started conversing with this being.
<v Speaker 2>Now I've heard people say that they speak English. I've
<v Speaker 2>never I've never had one speak English to me. However,
<v Speaker 2>there are some cases where people say that they did
<v Speaker 2>speak English or another language, or whatever the case may be.
<v Speaker 2>I have heard many of their own you know, many
<v Speaker 2>times in their vocalizations their own language. They have a language. However,
<v Speaker 2>the English part, I don't know. It's it's not for
<v Speaker 2>me to say. This being told this, he said, And
<v Speaker 2>the guy on the on the mule said, he stood
<v Speaker 2>this being stood taller than him in the saddle on
<v Speaker 2>this mule, and he told this man that he was
<v Speaker 2>the biblical king who was destined to walk the earth
<v Speaker 2>for an eternity for his you know, transgression against his brother.
<v Speaker 2>So I knew a Mormon. I knew a Mormon person,
<v Speaker 2>and I asked her, I said, have you ever heard
<v Speaker 2>this story? And she laughed at me. She says no,
<v Speaker 2>but let me check it out. So she goes to
<v Speaker 2>I guess her whatever church they go to. And she
<v Speaker 2>came back a couple of weeks later and she goes,
<v Speaker 2>the story is true. It's in our it's in our history.
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that these beings have been here
<v Speaker 2>for a very very long time. They it is not
<v Speaker 2>I think we share their DNA without a doubt. I
<v Speaker 2>think that we share their DNA. You know Brian Sikes,
<v Speaker 2>the geneticists who worked on Azzi, the Italian Alps mummy
<v Speaker 2>that they found frozen up there with the blue eyes,
<v Speaker 2>a five thousand year old man still had tattoos on
<v Speaker 2>him and everything. They called Brian Sykes to break down
<v Speaker 2>his genetic code. He was the one they called. He
<v Speaker 2>started a Homini project to get people to send samples
<v Speaker 2>of what they believe were Bigfoot DNA, either through hair
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be, to him so he
<v Speaker 2>could analyze them. I like sites he's gone now, he's passed.
<v Speaker 2>But he ultimately he came out and would say in
<v Speaker 2>every case it's human, it's bear or something else, you know,
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of times he mentioned, well this is
<v Speaker 2>human DNA. But what I think is did he missed
<v Speaker 2>is that we share their DNA. It's not the other
<v Speaker 2>way around. So if there is human DNA in this sample,
<v Speaker 2>it's because they're human of some sort, and we are
<v Speaker 2>the ones who share their DNA and not and it
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been tainted in any way, shape or form. But look,
<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to my to my own experiences. So
<v Speaker 2>the seventy two big foot phenomenon was really cool. The
<v Speaker 2>Momo incident, you know that was up what is that
<v Speaker 2>mertz loof Hill I think it was called in Louisiana, Missouri.
<v Speaker 2>Some kids saw him with a dead dog, you know,
<v Speaker 2>saw a creature like that with a dead dog in
<v Speaker 2>his arms, and it scared him and you know, of
<v Speaker 2>course drew media attention, and there were other sightings as well.
<v Speaker 2>And what gets me is all along that seventy nine
<v Speaker 2>corn there are you know, it follows the Mississippi River.
<v Speaker 2>So what do you have when you're migrating, say from
<v Speaker 2>the north to the south. The longest river in North America,
<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi River. You know, they follow it down, they've
<v Speaker 2>got shelter. Back then, they had shelter. You know, a
<v Speaker 2>lot of forested area, and it's still a lot of
<v Speaker 2>forested area. Up the seventy nine quarriter you got Ted
<v Speaker 2>Shanks where there are the Ted Shanks area sightings all
<v Speaker 2>the time in Ted Shanks. I've been in there and
<v Speaker 2>it's really creepy. It's kind of open. I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you've ever been in Ted Shanks or not, but
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of marshy, but if you follow it all
<v Speaker 2>the way back and it eventually goes down to the
<v Speaker 2>Mississippi River. Is kind of creepy. Plenty of places for
<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot people to either temporarily house themselves or you know,
<v Speaker 2>if they're passing through, or there might be a population
<v Speaker 2>up there. Who can say. I know there's a population
<v Speaker 2>down in southeast Missouri, and I think they're a permanent population.
<v Speaker 2>We are the big We're one of the We're the
<v Speaker 2>caves stay. We have caves all over the place, and
<v Speaker 2>I think that they make use of these caves and
<v Speaker 2>live in these caves. People don't understand. Missouri has a
<v Speaker 2>vast network of caves, and so I think that they
<v Speaker 2>utilize them all the time. Can you hear me? Because
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Oh, okay, so you're you're not. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't know if you were still there or not.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, still here. How far away is Wentzville from Louisiana, Missouri.
<v Speaker 2>It's not I would say less than five miles well
<v Speaker 2>as the crow flies, I mean Louisiana. I was thinking
<v Speaker 2>of seventy nine quarter. It's about five miles off the
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine quarter. So you got Winsville and then uh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say ten miles maybe maybe I'm not really sure,
<v Speaker 2>but it's not far. It's not far at all. I
<v Speaker 2>used to run up and down the seventy nine quarter
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and you can cut. You can cut
<v Speaker 2>up into Winsville, you know, and in whatever the municipalities
<v Speaker 2>are beyond north of that, you know, north of Winsville.
<v Speaker 2>But i'll give you an example, like Lincoln County. This
<v Speaker 2>was in twenty ten. I had heard a report, and
<v Speaker 2>I used to follow reports. I used to do that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't do that anymore because I don't think it
<v Speaker 2>is necessary and I don't think it's productive. And it
<v Speaker 2>might be for some people, but it is not for me.
<v Speaker 2>I feel these days and times, go out, enjoy yourself
<v Speaker 2>in nature, take a hike, get into some of these systems.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I go in pretty far, you know. I
<v Speaker 2>don't do mom and pop stuff. It's pretty far in there.
<v Speaker 2>And I might do day or two or three days
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. So you get out into these remote places. Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I lost my train of thought.
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, you're fine.
<v Speaker 2>Here it is I think that if they want you
<v Speaker 2>to see them there, you're going to see them. If
<v Speaker 2>they do not want you to see them. There's no
<v Speaker 2>way you're going to see them. There's no way they're
<v Speaker 2>they're so smart. All right, So I'm in seventies with
<v Speaker 2>with the moment. Oh, by the way, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>if you know who Loud Blackburn is, but he is
<v Speaker 2>a cryptid researcher and has written a lot of books
<v Speaker 2>and a super author, by the way, well researched, well
<v Speaker 2>written books. And he was gracious enough to put my
<v Speaker 2>story of the seventy two Momo incident in his book
<v Speaker 2>on on the Momo Monster. Now, he did have a
<v Speaker 2>disclaimer in there. He gets his head. He didn't know
<v Speaker 2>if it was related to the actual event that was
<v Speaker 2>talked about in the news. I certainly think it was
<v Speaker 2>connected because all the farmers in the area were talking
<v Speaker 2>about it. They were talking about some of their livestock
<v Speaker 2>be gone, talking about actually seeing these beings brown, black, red, white,
<v Speaker 2>which the white was really strange. You know. That stuck
<v Speaker 2>with me. Then my uncle saw the mark.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is really interesting. I met Lyle Blackburn at
<v Speaker 1>the Illinois Bigfoot conference that took place recently. He's a
<v Speaker 1>really nice guy and he's super intelligent, and that's what
<v Speaker 1>he talked about was the Momo from Louisiana, Missouri, and
<v Speaker 1>pretty much about all the different waterways that all weave
<v Speaker 1>together like giant veins. And I think that has a
<v Speaker 1>lot to do with it, the Mississippi and the Missouri River,
<v Speaker 1>and I think they follow the waterways not strictly, but
<v Speaker 1>they're always somewhere near water, and it might be miles away.
<v Speaker 1>But like you said, you don't have to be in
<v Speaker 1>a certain area where there's been sightings as long as
<v Speaker 1>you're like in that vicinity. Like let's say, if Madison
<v Speaker 1>County has sightings, like there's not just one spot, or
<v Speaker 1>Crawford County, Like you're not just gonna go to one
<v Speaker 1>state park and only find him there. That just means
<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the county, anywhere anytime, as long as you're
<v Speaker 1>out in nature, you hear all.
<v Speaker 2>The time that you see him very close to urban areas.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I I'm trying to think of really might
<v Speaker 2>might have been My experiences have been out, but you
<v Speaker 2>hear all the time that they're very close to civilization
<v Speaker 2>at times. I heard right down in Festus every October,
<v Speaker 2>some guy has experiences with him just down in Festus, Missouri,
<v Speaker 2>which is twenty minutes from here. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yah, I've taken several reports from Bowling Green Lake, Saint Louis,
<v Speaker 1>and that's what people talked about, was this bright white
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch with like long hair.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, oh yeah, well there you go. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>and it stuck with me, that white thing. But when
<v Speaker 2>Lorden Coleman wrote that book and talked about the one
<v Speaker 2>in Cairo, I thought, well that's you know, that makes sense,
<v Speaker 2>especially same month, same year. So yeah, wild Blackburn's super writer,
<v Speaker 2>very gracious person, and and like I said, he put
<v Speaker 2>a page or so about my story in there. I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was really neat. You know, your life takes
<v Speaker 2>turns here and there. So I so from I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>the seventies till probably the early two thousands. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm raising a family, and I didn't get a chance
<v Speaker 2>to get out much. I'd have experiences. I've had a
<v Speaker 2>lot of different experiences that I just cannot explain with
<v Speaker 2>these beings. But you know, they're not frequent, they're not few.
<v Speaker 2>The most let me give you, let me give you
<v Speaker 2>a biggie. I was hiking out of southeast Missouri for
<v Speaker 2>a period of about I used to do a lot
<v Speaker 2>of solo hiking, and I'm getting older now, I'm sixty six,
<v Speaker 2>and even though I'm still pretty fit, it doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>much sense to go to some of these places that
<v Speaker 2>have gone to by yourself. So I started hiking with
<v Speaker 2>my brother in law. He had expressed an interest in
<v Speaker 2>hiking Crow Pass in Alaska. This is something that he
<v Speaker 2>was going to do, and at that time I was
<v Speaker 2>considering hiking in desolation wilderness in California, California side of Tahoe,
<v Speaker 2>and so we started training on the Green Rock Trail
<v Speaker 2>here in Saint Louis fourteen. It's about fourteen miles a
<v Speaker 2>little over fourteen miles. Physically not so demanding, but psychologically
<v Speaker 2>it will crush you if you're not prepared for it
<v Speaker 2>because it just takes so long to get out of
<v Speaker 2>this system. But anyway, we started training, so we started
<v Speaker 2>hiking together. But before then I did a lot of
<v Speaker 2>solo hiking. And I'm down in this area in southeast Missouri.
<v Speaker 2>Not the first time I've experienced the Bigfoot down there,
<v Speaker 2>and certainly not the It wasn't the last either, but
<v Speaker 2>this was in twenty eighteen. I'll go to that one.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hiking the solo area and right off the
<v Speaker 2>bat because I've had experiences with them before. Although I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see this young female bigfoot, I knew instinctively it
<v Speaker 2>was one. It was a female two. She was very young,
<v Speaker 2>and she used to pace me every single time that
<v Speaker 2>I would go out to this place and hike. I
<v Speaker 2>don't like give the exact locations, but it's in southeast
<v Speaker 2>Missouri and highly accessible to anyone. Really, So the first
<v Speaker 2>time I heard her vocalize, and he says, it's elongated,
<v Speaker 2>very soft wooing. This is how this young female presented
<v Speaker 2>herself to me. She would call, she would call out
<v Speaker 2>to me, and she would and I'd be on the
<v Speaker 2>bottoms walk in the creek and she'd be up on
<v Speaker 2>the ridges, pacing me up on the ridges. And I
<v Speaker 2>knew she was there. I just it, and I could
<v Speaker 2>tell so eventually, and I'd been doing this for four
<v Speaker 2>years and she was there almost every single time I
<v Speaker 2>went out there. I don't know if she was responsible
<v Speaker 2>for building it, or she had a group of them,
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be, but I went in
<v Speaker 2>that system one time and there was a massive tepee
<v Speaker 2>that was built out of big branches that were and
<v Speaker 2>they were all broken off. You know. Initially when I
<v Speaker 2>saw it, I thought maybe a boy Scout troup was
<v Speaker 2>in here and they put this thing together. But it
<v Speaker 2>was so big, I mean it had to be. I'll
<v Speaker 2>bet it was fifteen feet tall at least in the
<v Speaker 2>diameter maybe twenty feet. You know. You could walk straight
<v Speaker 2>into it without bending over. But every branch was broken,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and there were big branches, you know. Some
<v Speaker 2>of them were like that. Most of them were like that.
<v Speaker 2>And I thought, that's a hell of an effort for
<v Speaker 2>a group of boy Scouts to or anybody to put together.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a hell of an effort. There
<v Speaker 2>were a lot of them. It wasn't a thin structure
<v Speaker 2>by any means. It was well built and and you
<v Speaker 2>can walk in one side and out the other without
<v Speaker 2>bending over, And I thought, so I just kind of
<v Speaker 2>passed that off initially, but I'd always hear her, and
<v Speaker 2>eventually I found her. She had tiny feet. I found
<v Speaker 2>her footprints and I photographed I'm in somewhere. I have
<v Speaker 2>these photographs on a on an sty car. But I
<v Speaker 2>have so much stuff. I've been collecting junk for sixty
<v Speaker 2>six years, and I have no idea where it's at
<v Speaker 2>but her feet were well within the human range, and
<v Speaker 2>they were pretty small, and they weren't even like they
<v Speaker 2>would have been like a small woman. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Was this in the Mark Twain National Forest?
<v Speaker 4>Is that.
<v Speaker 3>It?
<v Speaker 2>Probably? It might be. You know, it's broken up in sections,
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not really sure what section that might I'll
<v Speaker 2>tell you. I'll tell you where. I'll tell you roughly
<v Speaker 2>where it was. It was in between Saint Genevieve and farming.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, that's a good one.
<v Speaker 2>In between those two, okay.
<v Speaker 1>And was the TPE by a power line strip?
<v Speaker 3>Perhaps?
<v Speaker 2>No? No, this was this was out in, This was
<v Speaker 2>out There was nothing there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay.
<v Speaker 1>Except the reason I ask is because somewhere in vi Burnham,
<v Speaker 1>Missouri and the Mark Twain I found this giant TPE
<v Speaker 1>structure right next to a power line strip, one of
<v Speaker 1>the big ones, and right off the side of the
<v Speaker 1>highway and in a pine thicket. But it was pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>There was all kinds of structures in there. And the
<v Speaker 1>way I found it was I couldn't hold it anymore
<v Speaker 1>side to stop off the side of the highway and
<v Speaker 1>take a whiz.
<v Speaker 3>And then I looked up. I was like whoa, Okay, cool.
<v Speaker 2>You know I noticed this years ago that this is
<v Speaker 2>something I theorized. You know, they're going to take the
<v Speaker 2>path of least resistance, right, so if you've got a
<v Speaker 2>power line, you guarantee you they're gonna walk that. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>why why trump through brush and thicket and woods and
<v Speaker 2>when you could get out into this clearing and travel
<v Speaker 2>if you're going in that direction and travel that way? Right?
<v Speaker 2>So I think that they use those all the time
<v Speaker 2>if they can, you know, And why wouldn't they build
<v Speaker 2>a structure there? Why not? So, I mean, how many
<v Speaker 2>humans are going to do that? You know, how many
<v Speaker 2>humans are going to get out there? And you know,
<v Speaker 2>people's people can tell you that these bigfoot don't exist.
<v Speaker 2>They can sit on their couches and theorize about it.
<v Speaker 2>But do they get out there? Do you have you
<v Speaker 2>ever you know, have these people ever gone out on
<v Speaker 2>two three four day packs on the Ozar trail find
<v Speaker 2>a place to make camp? Have they ever done that before?
<v Speaker 2>You know? Maybe? But I think that these bigfoot can
<v Speaker 2>assess people. I think that they have the ability to
<v Speaker 2>assess people. And if you're not a threat to them,
<v Speaker 2>and they want you to see them you're going to
<v Speaker 2>see them if you if they sense in you somehow
<v Speaker 2>that you're not the type of person to be seen,
<v Speaker 2>you know, to be to have to have them see you,
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to see them. They're smart and they're
<v Speaker 2>very perceptive. Their senses are heightened. I like I said,
<v Speaker 2>I don't buy the at the moment, and I'm not
<v Speaker 2>discounting it. I don't buy, but I don't subscribe personally
<v Speaker 2>to the interdimensional phasing in and phasing out type thing.
<v Speaker 2>But you hear it all the time, is it true?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's not what I experienced, but maybe
<v Speaker 2>it is to me. They're terrestrial to me, they've always
<v Speaker 2>been here, I mean, way before modern man. That's my opinion.
<v Speaker 1>So what what did the vocalization sound like from the female?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Very soft, very soft and elongated, like a wooing sound.
<v Speaker 2>You know. I couldn't. I couldn't emulate it. I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it. It's very soft though, so it
<v Speaker 2>was almost inaudible. And that's the way she presented herself
<v Speaker 2>to me. Every single time I was out there, I
<v Speaker 2>would hear her vocalizations and I knew she was there instinctively.
<v Speaker 2>I knew it was her, so I told my wife,
<v Speaker 2>and my wife told me I was full of it.
<v Speaker 2>You know. Although she entertained the idea of the existence
<v Speaker 2>of these beings, she didn't believe me. So I invited
<v Speaker 2>her after about four years. I said, well, squat there,
<v Speaker 2>squat there and spend the day, you know. And so
<v Speaker 2>I took my wife and my youngest daughter, who was
<v Speaker 2>eighteen at the time, and we went out there and
<v Speaker 2>it was beautiful. It had just rained, so the creeks
<v Speaker 2>were full and they were flowing. All the foliage was popping.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like September ish. But you want
<v Speaker 2>to know what time of year I've had the most
<v Speaker 2>active is October. Uh, October seems to be when they
<v Speaker 2>come alive. But I've heard all kinds of different stories
<v Speaker 2>about even summer months, you know, stuff like that, like
<v Speaker 2>July for instance in Missouri. But October for me personally,
<v Speaker 2>is when the experiences start to take place. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I think we were out there in September and so
<v Speaker 2>there was still it was still leaf on season, but
<v Speaker 2>everything was green and popping in the colors were bright,
<v Speaker 2>and the cloud you know, it was clouds in the sky.
<v Speaker 2>So the colors didn't have to compete with the sun,
<v Speaker 2>and it was beautiful and we started hiking. We get
<v Speaker 2>up to the top. About midway through the trail, we
<v Speaker 2>took a break and I was stringing up a hammock
<v Speaker 2>and the two girls were on the precipice looking into
<v Speaker 2>the forest valley. So all of a sudden, I noticed
<v Speaker 2>both of them turn their heads to the forest and
<v Speaker 2>they looked at the same time, and I just kind
<v Speaker 2>of smile, child, and I said, what did you hear?
<v Speaker 2>And they said, tree knocking? And oddly enough, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>hear the tree knocking, but I did hear her vocalization,
<v Speaker 2>so I knew it was her. I knew it was her,
<v Speaker 2>and I told him so I said, now, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>hear that. I didn't hear her knocking on a tree,
<v Speaker 2>but I did hear her calling, and I did hear
<v Speaker 2>her vocalization. And they told me I was full of it,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, okay, whatever. We went on the whole day.
<v Speaker 2>My wife took a million photographs at butter a really
<v Speaker 2>nice camera. I don't know if she was using that
<v Speaker 2>or her phone. I think might've just been her phone though,
<v Speaker 2>And we didn't see anything you know, I heard vocalization,
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't believe me. They heard tree knocking, but
<v Speaker 2>didn't accept it. I guess. So we ended the day
<v Speaker 2>no big deal. A couple of weeks later, I'm at
<v Speaker 2>work and my wife sends me a photograph she was
<v Speaker 2>She was going through her phone, she said, looking to
<v Speaker 2>take stuff off of her phone because she was getting
<v Speaker 2>too much on there. She sends me a photograph of
<v Speaker 2>the day we were there, and we were on the
<v Speaker 2>bottoms in the creek, shooting up the elevation she was
<v Speaker 2>shooting up. She goes, I'm gonna puke. She goes, I'm
<v Speaker 2>so nauseous. I can't believe this. You have to see this.
<v Speaker 2>Standing in the creek and a little higher elevation was
<v Speaker 2>this female bigfoot staring right at us, just as calmly
<v Speaker 2>as can be. And she's looking right at us perfectly
<v Speaker 2>symmetrical breasts. Of course, sometime had gone by since she started,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I started having these experiences with her, so
<v Speaker 2>she was a little older. I don't know how old
<v Speaker 2>she was, but she had a full set of perfectly
<v Speaker 2>symmetrical breasts, shoulders, head, you could see both arms. The
<v Speaker 2>only thing you couldn't see was one of her legs
<v Speaker 2>was obscured by foliage in the foreground, you know, because
<v Speaker 2>the creek, you know, was winding like that. So there
<v Speaker 2>she is, and true to form. And I blame this.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I blame this on. Really technology.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was rather fuzzy. Everybody says that their photographs
<v Speaker 2>are fuzzy, and it was, but not fuzzy enough to
<v Speaker 2>tell that you had a jet black female bigfoot staring
<v Speaker 2>right at us in the creek, no question, in my mind,
<v Speaker 2>obvious as the nose on your face. And so at
<v Speaker 2>that moment my wife said, oh my god, I believe you.
<v Speaker 2>I believe everything you're saying. And I said, well, I
<v Speaker 2>told you it was true. What I didn't realize was
<v Speaker 2>that I started trying to get better images of of
<v Speaker 2>her in this photograph, you know, pulling them up on
<v Speaker 2>as best I could, which really just amounted to just
<v Speaker 2>enlarging it a little bit. Across the creek, just up
<v Speaker 2>on the bank was a ten footer. He had to
<v Speaker 2>be ten foot. I I'm guessing it was a male
<v Speaker 2>because I couldn't see the front this big massive she
<v Speaker 2>was black. But the one across the creek was kind
<v Speaker 2>of brownish dark brown, I would say, about ten foot tall.
<v Speaker 2>Had his arm against a tree that it was leaning on,
<v Speaker 2>and what I could see was the entirety of its back,
<v Speaker 2>its full left arm, it's butt, it's big legs, and
<v Speaker 2>like a side profile of its face, and it was
<v Speaker 2>looking off this way, kind of looking at her sort
<v Speaker 2>of but maybe just behind her, and you could see
<v Speaker 2>the profile of the face which was lighter, and it
<v Speaker 2>was the bit. It had to be ten foot it
<v Speaker 2>had to be. And I didn't even consider at the time.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even consider there would be I don't even
<v Speaker 2>know why I didn't even think of it that there
<v Speaker 2>would be others there. I only had interactions with this
<v Speaker 2>young female. I knew that she was very in human terms,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say, sweet and curious about human beings. She
<v Speaker 2>was the sweetest thing. She never was aggressive, always stayed
<v Speaker 2>at a distance, but was always curious, I'm guessing about
<v Speaker 2>human beings. And that's why she followed me. Maybe she
<v Speaker 2>recognized what I was putting out, you know, like emotionally
<v Speaker 2>or vibratory wise or whatever. I don't know, but she
<v Speaker 2>made herself known to me all the time. And so
<v Speaker 2>we have a picture of her and of course you're
<v Speaker 2>gonna get people. You're gonna get people to say, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's a burned out stump. Well, I never seen a
<v Speaker 2>burned out stump with two perfectly symmetrical breasts ever. And
<v Speaker 2>where's the rest of the tree. If it's a lightning strike,
<v Speaker 2>where's the rest of the tree. All this, I don't
<v Speaker 2>have to make excuses. I know exactly what it is.
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a book book on another experience that I had. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I think that one's in there as well, But can
<v Speaker 2>I can I tell you what it is?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's fine.
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a book, an ebook, on some experiences I
<v Speaker 2>had in Southeast Missouri, and it's called Encounters with the
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot People by Dennis Jamonard. It's on Kindle. It's on
<v Speaker 2>the Kindle format, so it's an ebook and it's out
<v Speaker 2>there if people want to read it. It's cheaper than
<v Speaker 2>a drive through Hamburger easy read. You know, I'm not
<v Speaker 2>an author. I don't have all this vernacular, you know,
<v Speaker 2>to add to it or anything like that. But it's
<v Speaker 2>an interesting read. And that story's in there, and another
<v Speaker 2>story that I'll tell you about, a personal one, and
<v Speaker 2>this is the biggie. There are others as well, and
<v Speaker 2>I'll just kind of jump around. In twenty sixteen, my
<v Speaker 2>brother in law, who I had been training with on
<v Speaker 2>these hiking trips, we decided that we wanted the knockoff
<v Speaker 2>a section of the Ozark Trail, and we had been
<v Speaker 2>hitting other sections and we hadn't done this one yet,
<v Speaker 2>and we said, great, we agreed on it, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and we decided that we wanted to do this section
<v Speaker 2>down in southeast Missouri, simply because we've heard about it
<v Speaker 2>and we had you know, everybody said it was great
<v Speaker 2>and fairly well traversed, I would imagine by the public,
<v Speaker 2>but I think people for the most part do it
<v Speaker 2>in the day. And we were gonna take two days
<v Speaker 2>to do it, so we were going to camp out overnight.
<v Speaker 2>So we we started preparing for it, and he asked
<v Speaker 2>his daughter and her girlfriend if they wanted to go
<v Speaker 2>with us. They were in their twenties, and so everybody agreed,
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do this section, take two days to do it,
<v Speaker 2>camp out on the first night, and then finish it
<v Speaker 2>off on the second day. So we started preparing for it.
<v Speaker 2>My brother in law he gets all his stuff together
<v Speaker 2>and he's talking about it. I went to like, what's
<v Speaker 2>the name of that joint up in Kirkwood. It's the
<v Speaker 2>Alpine Shop. So it's an outdoor shop for all types
<v Speaker 2>of outdoor enthusiasts and they have a good topo maps there.
<v Speaker 2>So I picked up a topo map of this area,
<v Speaker 2>including the Saint Francis Mountains, which is what it was
<v Speaker 2>part of, and I started picking out where we would
<v Speaker 2>put in and where we would camp on the first night.
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm looking for the water sources and I
<v Speaker 2>figured it all out and we got that together, and
<v Speaker 2>my niece's girlfriend had an uncle who had a place
<v Speaker 2>down in Annapolis, a cabin that we could start our
<v Speaker 2>journey from there. So we got down to this really cool,
<v Speaker 2>old beat up cabin. It was just an awesome, awesome thing.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it reminded me of my youth, because that's
<v Speaker 2>how I grew up, with all these old rural places.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we get down to Annapolis and everybody stows their gear,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we get some neat and we're making
<v Speaker 2>food and talking about it and everybody's excited about it.
<v Speaker 2>Long story short, we get up well, I had set
<v Speaker 2>an alarm and it was like, I don't know, for
<v Speaker 2>some reason. I said it for three o'clock in the morning.
<v Speaker 2>I just like to be prepared, you know, I like
<v Speaker 2>to get ready. And everybody ignored the alarm. So I'm like, well, shit,
<v Speaker 2>I hope we can get into the system. I like
<v Speaker 2>to get in before the sun rises. I had to
<v Speaker 2>get into these woo are there these forests before the
<v Speaker 2>sun comes up? There's the activity is different and you
<v Speaker 2>never know what you're going to experience. But so five
<v Speaker 2>o'clock came around and somebody else's alarm went off, and
<v Speaker 2>everybody got up, and man, it was the thickest soup
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen in mine. It's been decades since I
<v Speaker 2>seen fog like this. You couldn't see your hand in
<v Speaker 2>front of your face. We got out two vehicles, and
<v Speaker 2>so we drove to where we hit where we were
<v Speaker 2>going to exit, and parked one of the vehicles on
<v Speaker 2>top of a mountain at the exit point, and then
<v Speaker 2>we drove back down the mountain all the way around
<v Speaker 2>to try to get to the trailhead. We parked and
<v Speaker 2>we get in. I guess it was just around dawn
<v Speaker 2>or so, you know, the sun was already coming up
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. And we get in there and we hiked
<v Speaker 2>seven hours on the first day, seven hours. Now we
<v Speaker 2>stopped along the way to enjoy ourselves. You know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't like to hoof it through just to say I
<v Speaker 2>did it. I like to enjoy it. That's what it's
<v Speaker 2>there far. You take in the nature and you feel it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the kind of person I am. You
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. It gets into your soul. That's that's what
<v Speaker 2>I like. So we stopped on occasion. But it took
<v Speaker 2>us seven hours and we were coming off this western
<v Speaker 2>peak onto the floor and I saw a creek and
<v Speaker 2>really it wasn't the spot I had picked on my map.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see this on the map, and it was
<v Speaker 2>just on the other side of the eastern mountain that
<v Speaker 2>I had picked to go around to the other side
<v Speaker 2>in camp where there was a creek that I saw.
<v Speaker 2>But there was a creek and it was full. It
<v Speaker 2>was full of water and it was flowing, so we
<v Speaker 2>had a place to replenish our water. I said, this
<v Speaker 2>is perfect, let's just find a place to set up camp.
<v Speaker 2>So we get off the trail and it's really kind
<v Speaker 2>of slopey, you know, there's really no flat area. There
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit just enough for them to pitch
<v Speaker 2>two tents, and I'm overnight in a hammock like an idiot.
<v Speaker 2>And let me tell you so long story longer. We
<v Speaker 2>set up camp, we replenish our water, we make our food,
<v Speaker 2>we shoot the bull and ride. At dusk, I'm the
<v Speaker 2>oldest one in the group, and I said, people, I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to sleep. It's been a long day, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I take my backpack. I give it to my brother
<v Speaker 2>in law. But I had a nine millimeter. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know about you, but when I'm way out in these places,
<v Speaker 2>I'm carrying something I don't I don't care what it is,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it depends on where I'm at. Put the
<v Speaker 2>nine in my backpack and I gave it to my
<v Speaker 2>brother in law. I gave the girls I had a
<v Speaker 2>machete that process would with, and I gave them that.
<v Speaker 2>And I gave them a flashlight that I had, and
<v Speaker 2>my phone was stuffed in my back. I got nothing
<v Speaker 2>at dusk except for the clothes on my back and
<v Speaker 2>the cover and the covers that I was covering up with.
<v Speaker 2>And I said good night to everybody. I'm out, And
<v Speaker 2>I bet I was out in thirty seconds, because that's
<v Speaker 2>a trick seven hours when you're hiking, and sometime during
<v Speaker 2>the night, I have no idea there was no moon.
<v Speaker 2>Sometime during the night I awakened to bipedal footsteps coming
<v Speaker 2>down the eastern slope and I'm like, and from the
<v Speaker 2>eastern side, it's a ten hour hype to get out.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, from where we're at, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>there's somebody coming out the eastern slope, gotta be some
<v Speaker 2>full hiker. I'm not even thinking bigfoot at the time.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, well, I'm not concerned because there's three
<v Speaker 2>other people here in the camp and they gotta and
<v Speaker 2>whoever it is has coming down the slope without a flashlight,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, I don't even know how they're navigating
<v Speaker 2>because I could not see my hand in front of
<v Speaker 2>my face. Literally I could not see my that's how
<v Speaker 2>dark it was. No problem. I'm not worried. I never ever,
<v Speaker 2>up until that point, had been afrayed in the woods ever,
<v Speaker 2>no matter where I was at, and I've been into
<v Speaker 2>some pretty remote places and I have never been afrayed.
<v Speaker 2>And I know what we have here in Missouri as
<v Speaker 2>far as animals and things like that. But you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you're cautious, and you prepare yourself. You're you're okay.
<v Speaker 2>So I wasn't worried. I wasn't worried at all. I'm thinking,
<v Speaker 2>this hiker is either going to come just surround us
<v Speaker 2>on the trail, are gonna come straight through. That's how
<v Speaker 2>close it was. It's gonna straight come, come straight through
<v Speaker 2>the camp. And here's what I'm thinking when the camper
<v Speaker 2>gets down there, and I'm thinking it's a guy, because
<v Speaker 2>why would a woman do that? Because you know, it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense for anybody really. But so, hey, I'm lost,
<v Speaker 2>I need a place to stay. Can I stay here tonight?
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm expecting to hear. Boom, boom, bipedal. You
<v Speaker 2>can scratch quadruped off the equation, there's no way, nother word.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of wild boar that night, you know that,
<v Speaker 2>you could see evidence of the wild board. They were
<v Speaker 2>grouping up everything, and so they were just everywhere, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, it's not a wild war. It's not.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a deer, it's not. It's not a quadruped
<v Speaker 2>of any kind. Two feet coming down, splashes through the creek,
<v Speaker 2>steps up on a burn, not even thirty feet from
<v Speaker 2>where I'm I'm in my hammock, and it stopped, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, now the announcement's gonna come, and some
<v Speaker 2>dudes lost and he wants a cat there tonight. That
<v Speaker 2>is not what happened. This thing let out the most
<v Speaker 2>blood curdling, mind blowing, spine tingling scream you ever heard
<v Speaker 2>in your life, and it cut through me like a knife,
<v Speaker 2>and I was paralyzed with fear. Was terrified. I knew
<v Speaker 2>exactly what it was, but it was not it was
<v Speaker 2>you know it was.
<v Speaker 5>It was first of all, it's pitch black, but this thing,
<v Speaker 5>the frequency of its vocals were so intense it I
<v Speaker 5>was frozen.
<v Speaker 2>I was frozen. And you know, you don't know how
<v Speaker 2>you're going to react in a situation. I used to
<v Speaker 2>kid all the time. All I used to see, if
<v Speaker 2>I ever see a big foot in parison, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>walk up and give the snickers.
<v Speaker 3>Not so.
<v Speaker 2>I was beyond terrified and I couldn't move. I could.
<v Speaker 2>Adrenaline shot through me, and I shaking like I was
<v Speaker 2>like a Grandma seizure. But I couldn't speak. I could
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't think of anything. I I there was no
<v Speaker 2>place to run. Where am I gonna run to? I'm
<v Speaker 2>seven hours into the wilderness, so I'm shaken in my hamming.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just shaking like a child. And this thing starts
<v Speaker 2>screaming and it did whoop too, and I don't mention
<v Speaker 2>that a lot, but it whooped uh, and the whoops
<v Speaker 2>were very they were pure, like a pure frequency, and
<v Speaker 2>it seemed to it started out whoo whoo, who boo
<v Speaker 2>boo boo boo boo. But it got it progressively faster,
<v Speaker 2>and it was so unnerving that the purity of the
<v Speaker 2>sound that was coming from this being was I was
<v Speaker 2>just I was just terrified. It wasn't horrified. It was terrified.
<v Speaker 2>So it started screaming and I it would not stop.
<v Speaker 2>And then it started bluff charging us and I couldn't see.
<v Speaker 2>It was in the middle of the night. I can't
<v Speaker 2>see anything. I don't hear anything from the tents, not
<v Speaker 2>a peep. It would bluff charges and step back. I
<v Speaker 2>can bluff charges and step back and screaming at the
<v Speaker 2>top of its lungs. And it picks up a rock
<v Speaker 2>and starts banging it on a tree, just hammering this tree,
<v Speaker 2>and I can't respond. I'm frozen. I'm thinking I'm gonna die,
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm thinking, but not from the Bigfoot, from
<v Speaker 2>a heart attack, because my heart was beating so hard.
<v Speaker 2>Never in my life have I ever been so afraid. Ever,
<v Speaker 2>Nothing comes to mind that compares to this. And I
<v Speaker 2>was certain that my heart was gonna explode. And I
<v Speaker 2>knew when it started screaming what it was, and I
<v Speaker 2>knew it could hear my heart beating. Well, it was
<v Speaker 2>not happy. We were occupy. This must have been a
<v Speaker 2>local trip for this bigfoot, you know, but surprised to
<v Speaker 2>see that we were occupying this space and it was
<v Speaker 2>not happy, and it was screaming at the top of
<v Speaker 2>it's lung, banging on a tree. I couldn't respond. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear Diddley from either tent. And we were like
<v Speaker 2>in a crescent shape, So there was one on either
<v Speaker 2>side of me in a crescent shape, maybe about a
<v Speaker 2>total of thirty yards or so not, you know, maybe
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And it was not happy and it
<v Speaker 2>was not going away, and I'm just frozen. I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 2>whatever happens is going to happen. I can't do anything
<v Speaker 2>about it. I can't move. If my brain was telling
<v Speaker 2>me to get up and run. My body was not
<v Speaker 2>be not listening to a thing that my brain was saying,
<v Speaker 2>not that my brain could function at all. And it
<v Speaker 2>was just yelling and yelling and yelling. And then it
<v Speaker 2>came straight for us. It started stuck. You could first
<v Speaker 2>you could feel the footfall of this being as it
<v Speaker 2>was coming down the mountain. It reverberated through your chest.
<v Speaker 2>You could feel it. And when it was in the
<v Speaker 2>camp you could really feel it. I mean it was like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, an earthquake, you know, you could feel,
<v Speaker 2>you could feel it. So it comes straight far So
<v Speaker 2>threw out his hand and it mustn't be on his
<v Speaker 2>right hand because it was coming in my direction, and
<v Speaker 2>zipped it across my brother in lawt tent. You could
<v Speaker 2>hear the nih lines zip and I didn't hear anything
<v Speaker 2>from the tent at all. And it stomped right over
<v Speaker 2>to me. And I know, this is unbelievable. It's unbelievable
<v Speaker 2>to try to convince people. And I don't try to
<v Speaker 2>convince people of anything. Get out there yourself and see
<v Speaker 2>what you can see. It stomped right over to me
<v Speaker 2>on my left side. I'm like east west my head
<v Speaker 2>is east my feet or west, and I'm tethered to
<v Speaker 2>a tree with in this hammit. I got a small
<v Speaker 2>diamond fly, so I'm really kind of exposed. The fly
<v Speaker 2>wasn't with the system that I owned, you know, it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was different, some kind of exposed there. And it
<v Speaker 2>stumped right over to my left side and it's just
<v Speaker 2>screaming at the top of its lungs, and I'm thinking,
<v Speaker 2>that's it. I'm dead. I'm a goner. My heart's gonna explode,
<v Speaker 2>or it's gonna rip me and the hammer off the
<v Speaker 2>tree and hammer throw me into the creek. That's what
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking. And I was that's it. Then what am
<v Speaker 2>I gonna do? So it goes around a tree, it
<v Speaker 2>comes over on my right side, and I'm telling you
<v Speaker 2>it was right here. Now. I didn't smell anything. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't smell any eel. I don't think my old factory
<v Speaker 2>sensors were working anyway. I don't think anything was working
<v Speaker 2>on me at that moment, except that I was conscious
<v Speaker 2>and terrified and it is screaming at the top of it.
<v Speaker 2>Sue never stopped screaming, and it was screaming at the
<v Speaker 2>top of his lungs and it takes its left hand,
<v Speaker 2>big old hand and pops it underneath the hamm on
<v Speaker 2>my shoulder. It just zips it down my back like that,
<v Speaker 2>like there, you know, And I'm just like this this
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking to myself, this did not just happen, and
<v Speaker 2>I am I'm just curled up in little feetal position.
<v Speaker 2>Just the only thing I didn't do is suck my thumb.
<v Speaker 2>And it stomps past me and past the girl's tent.
<v Speaker 2>And we had built the fire ring from from rocks
<v Speaker 2>from the creek. And I don't even know what time
<v Speaker 2>of night it was. It was pitch black and fire
<v Speaker 2>had long gone out. I didn't see, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>this thing was rooting through the fire and throwing We
<v Speaker 2>don't have to breathe. We're like one of those people
<v Speaker 2>leave no trace where. That's the kind of people we are.
<v Speaker 2>So we're very clean. You know. There wasn't any trash.
<v Speaker 2>There might have been a piece of you know, somebody
<v Speaker 2>else was trash from a previous camp, or something like
<v Speaker 2>a piece of tin, like like a tin can maybe
<v Speaker 2>that had been melted or something, but we didn't throw
<v Speaker 2>any tin cans into fire. This thing. I never would
<v Speaker 2>have thought this in my entire life from a being
<v Speaker 2>that is totally covered with hair, kicked up this fire
<v Speaker 2>to a full flame, and that flame four and a
<v Speaker 2>half five feet tall. And this then I could see it,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw it, and it wasn't twenty feet I
<v Speaker 2>wasn't twenty feet from the fire, maybe a little maybe
<v Speaker 2>twenty five feet, and it's throwing its hands up in
<v Speaker 2>the air, screaming. At the top of its lungs was
<v Speaker 2>jet black. From what I could see. It had hair
<v Speaker 2>three inches maybe, but it wasn't it wasn't real thick.
<v Speaker 2>You could see this like the skin on its arms,
<v Speaker 2>and it was black. It had black skin, and it
<v Speaker 2>had a black face. The hair was you know, it
<v Speaker 2>was all hairy, but the face was kind of exposed,
<v Speaker 2>and it had a black face. And it was throwing
<v Speaker 2>its arms up in the air, screaming, circling the fire
<v Speaker 2>and just carrying on. And I am I don't even
<v Speaker 2>know what to tell you. I couldn't even think. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>this is not happening, this is not real. It finally
<v Speaker 2>goes around back to the burm that it came up on,
<v Speaker 2>picks up this rock and it slamming it against the tree.
<v Speaker 2>Stumps down into the creek and up on the western peak,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, at the time, it was still screaming,
<v Speaker 2>and it screamed all the way up to the top
<v Speaker 2>of the mountain on the western side, and I'm just terrified.
<v Speaker 2>And if that wasn't enough, and I'm thinking, listen, here's
<v Speaker 2>what I'm thinking in my mind. I'm thinking, Dennis, You've
<v Speaker 2>got to get a hold of yourself. Man, you're gonna die.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna die. You're gonna have a heart attack. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know how any I don't know how any heart
<v Speaker 2>could experience something like that and not explode. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know how. But it didn't, and I'm thankful. But my
<v Speaker 2>concern was after the thing left and I say it
<v Speaker 2>was male because I didn't see any breasts on it.
<v Speaker 2>It was throwing its arms up in the air like that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, superstriated muscle wise, you know, it wasn't It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the gigantic, blown out, heavy duty pictures that you
<v Speaker 2>see that people draw big foot. It was. It was
<v Speaker 2>big and and and you had had masks. But it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't like steroidal mass. It was natural shredded muscle, no fat,
<v Speaker 2>no fat, and anyway, I'm beside myself and I and
<v Speaker 2>so I'm telling myself, I gotta get together, I gotta
<v Speaker 2>get my I gotta calm down. So I tried to
<v Speaker 2>start breathing because I'm breathing so hard, and I'm trying
<v Speaker 2>to relax. Not that I could, but I'm trying. And
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, on the back side of the
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Peak, two big adults start wailing at the top
<v Speaker 2>of their lungs and it reverberated everywhere, and I'm thinking
<v Speaker 2>to myself, oh my god, it's a family. And they
<v Speaker 2>would not stop. And this one that just went up
<v Speaker 2>on the western peak was still screaming. These on the
<v Speaker 2>backside are those long, you know, those long vocalizations that
<v Speaker 2>you hear, but they were deep and I can't emulate them,
<v Speaker 2>but they were real long, you know. And they kept
<v Speaker 2>this up for an hour. Finally the one up on
<v Speaker 2>the western peak stopped screaming. These two they must have
<v Speaker 2>screamed for an hour. And while they were screaming, I'm
<v Speaker 2>still trying to get my stuff together to keep from expiring.
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, right behind my head off the
<v Speaker 2>eastern slope, something bipedal comes down right behind my and
<v Speaker 2>stops within twenty feet from the back of my head,
<v Speaker 2>and I on all that fear and terror and everything
<v Speaker 2>that I was trying to get a hold of just
<v Speaker 2>came flooding back and flushed my whole body with adrenaline.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just at this point, I I'm just curled
<v Speaker 2>up in a fetal position waiting for something to happen.
<v Speaker 2>I got two of them on the backside screaming. They
<v Speaker 2>were screaming so loud the way west, on the way back,
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the western Peak, maybe even
<v Speaker 2>a couple of ranges over or something. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>A pack of coyotes joined in. And then up way
<v Speaker 2>up north, you could hear this old hound dog start
<v Speaker 2>to chime in. And it was miles away. You could
<v Speaker 2>hear it, but you distinctly knew what was screaming on
<v Speaker 2>the back side of the Eastern Mountain. About an hour
<v Speaker 2>later they stopped. I forgot because there was still vocalizations
<v Speaker 2>coming from the backside of that mountain. I forgot all
<v Speaker 2>about what was behind me because I couldn't think, I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't speak, I couldn't rationalize, I couldn't do anything. But
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about what came down the mountain and was standing.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long behind me, because I didn't
<v Speaker 2>hear any vocalizations or anything. I don't know what. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know how much time went by. I know that
<v Speaker 2>I did not go to sleep. I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>many I don't know if it was hours, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if it was minutes it was hours. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>go back to sleep about like id doe, sit there
<v Speaker 2>and shake, and I finally got myself to a point
<v Speaker 2>of calmness, and I told myself I got to get
<v Speaker 2>out of this hammer. And all I was wearing was
<v Speaker 2>a pair of wool socks, and I hang my hammock high,
<v Speaker 2>so I threw my feet over the hammock. My feet
<v Speaker 2>landed on something fuzzy and warm, and I I don't
<v Speaker 2>even know what to tell you. I have a theory,
<v Speaker 2>but I have no idea what my feet just landed on.
<v Speaker 2>But something is under my hammock. And I just pulled
<v Speaker 2>my feetback and stayed in a fetal position until the
<v Speaker 2>sun came up. And when I saw first light, I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how much time transpired all of
<v Speaker 2>it all of the night. I just swung my feet
<v Speaker 2>over and jumped out. I looked it was nothing under there.
<v Speaker 2>I go over to the fire. I stoked the fire.
<v Speaker 2>My niece unzips her tent. She goes, uncle Dan, do
<v Speaker 2>you think that was a I said, hell, yes, that's
<v Speaker 2>what it was. That's what it was. So she heard it.
<v Speaker 2>And when when it stoked up the fire, I heard
<v Speaker 2>her zipper on her tent come down and then zip
<v Speaker 2>right back up, just like that zip zip. And she
<v Speaker 2>told me that she unzipped it and saw the fire
<v Speaker 2>and the bigfoot and she's like, zip, just close it
<v Speaker 2>back up. And I didn't hear anything from her. I
<v Speaker 2>heard nothing from my brother in law. So anyway, the
<v Speaker 2>girls come out first, and her girlfriend said, before any
<v Speaker 2>of that that went down, I'm trying not to use custoders.
<v Speaker 2>Before any of that went down. An hour prior to
<v Speaker 2>that experience that I had, my niece's girlfriend said they
<v Speaker 2>were already in camp. They were already there, and she
<v Speaker 2>said they multiples of them stomping around the camp check
<v Speaker 2>on us out. And I was oblivious to everything, and
<v Speaker 2>she said that that's what she said. They were already here.
<v Speaker 2>And then they have a different you know, they didn't.
<v Speaker 2>They told me they heard it coming down the mountain
<v Speaker 2>at the point that I'm describing my experience. But they
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they heard it whooping or not.
<v Speaker 2>They told me they did not hear this being screaming
<v Speaker 2>in their face. Now did their mind blank it out?
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I have no idea. These are
<v Speaker 2>the things you hear, these stories about what people experience
<v Speaker 2>when they're together at the same event, and they all
<v Speaker 2>have something different to say. It was the screaming that
<v Speaker 2>made me realize I was going to have a heart attack.
<v Speaker 2>But they didn't hear it. They didn't hear it. They
<v Speaker 2>heard it walking down the mountain, they heard it stomping
<v Speaker 2>around the camp, they heard it banging on the tree.
<v Speaker 2>They did not hear it screaming. I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>to explain it. That's what they said. But Shelle, my
<v Speaker 2>niece's girl friends, said that they were already in camp
<v Speaker 2>checking us out. They were already there, and I don't
<v Speaker 2>know how long they were already there because I didn't
<v Speaker 2>experience that, and that weird. But at that moment, when
<v Speaker 2>I heard the footsteps coming down the western the eastern Peak.
<v Speaker 2>I heard it, so we're trying to figure out just
<v Speaker 2>exactly what the hell happened. Here's what I figured this
<v Speaker 2>young man. I figured it was a young male because
<v Speaker 2>you know, you see images of these and who knows
<v Speaker 2>what's real or not anymore on the internet or anything
<v Speaker 2>like that, of these hulk and gigantic you know, ten
<v Speaker 2>footers or more with the massive bodies and stuff. This didn't.
<v Speaker 2>It was massive, but it didn't have that full blown,
<v Speaker 2>like mature adult look to it. It was very fluid.
<v Speaker 2>It was very string and muscularly so sinewy maybe with
<v Speaker 2>no fat, no fat, but super muscles, but not blown
<v Speaker 2>out human steroid muscles.
<v Speaker 4>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>And it's its movement was fluid, extremely fluid. So I
<v Speaker 2>figured I surmised it was a young male, maybe in
<v Speaker 2>his twenties or something like that, coming down the Eastern
<v Speaker 2>Peak on a Saturday night, doing its thing, going to
<v Speaker 2>get a drink from the last water source for the
<v Speaker 2>next ten miles head and West finds us there in
<v Speaker 2>its backyard and is just not happy and it's gonna
<v Speaker 2>mess with us. Came into camp, created a ruckus. Did
<v Speaker 2>not hear any responses. I don't know how anybody in
<v Speaker 2>her right mind could respond any way to something like that,
<v Speaker 2>and so it decided to count coup on us. You know,
<v Speaker 2>the the braves bagging the time of the French trappers,
<v Speaker 2>and and you know the European settlers. They would accost
<v Speaker 2>a white devil, but they wouldn't kill him, you know.
<v Speaker 2>They'd ride up on him and hit him with acouskin,
<v Speaker 2>or they would slap him, you know, but it wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>kill him. It was an act of bravery. And I
<v Speaker 2>think that this young male Bigfoot was counting coup on
<v Speaker 2>us as an act of bravery, not that it had
<v Speaker 2>anything to worry about at all. There ain't a man
<v Speaker 2>on this planet that could take one, you know, in
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I don't even think about it. And if
<v Speaker 2>you go to shoot one, you might want to say
<v Speaker 2>your last words. That's all I'm saying. That's my experience self.
<v Speaker 2>You hear stories of people out there, like up in
<v Speaker 2>the Pennington Triangle where that dude went hunting. They found
<v Speaker 2>and he never came back, and they found his body
<v Speaker 2>propped up against a log with his gun twenty feet away,
<v Speaker 2>and his whole chest was crushed in. You point a
<v Speaker 2>gun at the big foot, good luck to you anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I think it counted coup on us and went up
<v Speaker 2>to the mountain to meet whoever more of its friends,
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be, it's head and to
<v Speaker 2>tell a story. And these jokers down here out in
<v Speaker 2>my backyard, thinking that, you know, did there somebody or something?
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what it was. I think it
<v Speaker 2>was an act of bravery. So we pack up all
<v Speaker 2>our gear. The only thing I found, well my knees,
<v Speaker 2>found the rock that this thing had picked up and
<v Speaker 2>just hammered it into a tree. It was this huge
<v Speaker 2>pine tree. It was the most majestic tree around us,
<v Speaker 2>and it was old growth, so it was large diameter
<v Speaker 2>pine and the scales or the bark, whatever you want
<v Speaker 2>to call it, had to be an inch thick. This
<v Speaker 2>she picks up the rock and she puts it in
<v Speaker 2>this crushed in hole that looked like it could have
<v Speaker 2>been drilled with a bit. It was just so smashed
<v Speaker 2>in and it fit perfectly in this scale that had
<v Speaker 2>been crushed in like an inch deep. And so we
<v Speaker 2>found that. And the only other thing that we found
<v Speaker 2>physical wise, and I don't have to I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>to find any of that stuff was a scuff mark
<v Speaker 2>on the berm that it that it came up out
<v Speaker 2>of the creek and stepped over with this berm. Then
<v Speaker 2>the berm was covered with moss and it was a
<v Speaker 2>scuff mark there, but no discernible toes or anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>It's hard pat root and rock was this area, so
<v Speaker 2>there weren't any footprints that we could find. And we start.
<v Speaker 2>We start our journey out and several miles into our exit,
<v Speaker 2>we came across a couple of campers and I had
<v Speaker 2>asked him. I said, Hey, you experienced anything weird last night,
<v Speaker 2>you know while they were camping. They said no, the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that they experienced was, uh, a pack of
<v Speaker 2>wild board came through their camp. That's what That's what
<v Speaker 2>they said. But no, you know nothing as far as
<v Speaker 2>any big foot activity. So uh, that is the most
<v Speaker 2>interface story that I have, But there are others I have.
<v Speaker 2>I was following a report more than a decade to
<v Speaker 2>go up north in Lincoln County in this conservation area.
<v Speaker 2>A couple said that they were chased out of off
<v Speaker 2>of a lake by something that was pacing them in
<v Speaker 2>the woods. So I want to go up there and
<v Speaker 2>see what it was all about. And I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>where that's at. That's that's a logan conservation area. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you're familiar with that or not.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I've heard of that area.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So i'd get up there early in the morning.
<v Speaker 2>It was on a weekend or I don't know what
<v Speaker 2>it was. But anyway, I left before the sun came up,
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to get into the system before the
<v Speaker 2>sun came up. But there, since it was a conservation area,
<v Speaker 2>they had, you know, the gates closed and everything. So
<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, maybe there's a back way in. So
<v Speaker 2>I got out my map and I'm looking, and I
<v Speaker 2>see if I backtracked the Silex, Missouri, I could go.
<v Speaker 2>I could take the two lanter around and maybe get
<v Speaker 2>into the back and I did. So I got it
<v Speaker 2>that it was opened in the back. And because it's
<v Speaker 2>all rule, you know, just gravel roads and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>So I get into this. I get into this logan
<v Speaker 2>conservation area and you know, they said it was a lake.
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of obscured and it was in the woods,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm and on this lake. There were quite a
<v Speaker 2>few lakes on this property. There were quite a few lakes,
<v Speaker 2>so I'm stopping at each one. I'm thinking, no, that
<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit the description. That doesn't fit the description. So
<v Speaker 2>on the first pass through this property, I didn't see it.
<v Speaker 2>And then I come out of the back and I'm
<v Speaker 2>heading back towards Silex and I see a hunter in
<v Speaker 2>this in this grab a lot and he's assessing where
<v Speaker 2>he wants to hunt. So I pulled over and asked him, said, hey,
<v Speaker 2>is there by chance another piece of property that belongs
<v Speaker 2>to the Logan Conservation Area? And he goes, yeah, he goes,
<v Speaker 2>But if you don't know, you'll you'll miss it. He goes.
<v Speaker 2>You go back up this road, there's two lanter you'll
<v Speaker 2>see a gravel road just swings left and it's overgrown
<v Speaker 2>and then just looks like somebody's driveway. I found, so
<v Speaker 2>I went down. I went down there, and then I
<v Speaker 2>went into this other road. It was just filled with ruts.
<v Speaker 2>I had a truck at the time, but man, these
<v Speaker 2>ruts were deep. And I finally come across the trail
<v Speaker 2>head to this other piece of property from Logan, and
<v Speaker 2>I get out and I start hiking. Somebody at bush
<v Speaker 2>you know used to a brush hog to because it
<v Speaker 2>was all prairie grass, you know, at the top elevations
<v Speaker 2>it was all prairie grass. But they bush hogged a path,
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and it was fairly wide. I started following it,
<v Speaker 2>and I had no intention to spend in the night there.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't pack for it or anything like That's so
<v Speaker 2>I figured, ou't just do this for several hours and
<v Speaker 2>see if I can find it. I found one swampy, stagnant,
<v Speaker 2>little pond, and I'm like this, this can't be get
<v Speaker 2>I keep going and I keep going, and the further
<v Speaker 2>I get back, the trail starts to disappear, and you
<v Speaker 2>could tell nobody had been back there in years. And
<v Speaker 2>so I decided I'm just going to keep going, and
<v Speaker 2>I take a break. A couple hours in there, and
<v Speaker 2>I take a break, and right, well, the first thing
<v Speaker 2>I saw were two structures right next to one another.
<v Speaker 2>There were saplings, living saplings. They weren't uprooted, but they
<v Speaker 2>were bent over in an arc and they were pinned down.
<v Speaker 2>And I guess they were like, you know, three inches
<v Speaker 2>four inches at the base whatever, pretty tall, but they
<v Speaker 2>were bent over in an arc and pinned down by
<v Speaker 2>a log each one of them that looked like it
<v Speaker 2>weighed at least two hundred pounds, if not more were
<v Speaker 2>to pin down by them. And underneath it was a
<v Speaker 2>depression about eight feet in diameter, and it had leaves,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like something had slept under there, and something
<v Speaker 2>had slept under another one. And I'm like, wow, that's
<v Speaker 2>really weird. So I tooks with that. And then as
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking photographs of that, you know them big old
<v Speaker 2>trailing vines that come off the trees in the forest,
<v Speaker 2>they grow there forever and well, when it comes crashing
<v Speaker 2>down right right by me, and I'm like, what are
<v Speaker 2>the odds I had? And I'll get back to this story,
<v Speaker 2>but I had in there. I was down in shuttings
<v Speaker 2>one time, Johnson Shuttings, and uh it was during the
<v Speaker 2>week day, so nobody was down there, and I got
<v Speaker 2>there as soon as the gate opened, so I was
<v Speaker 2>the only one there. And I went all the way
<v Speaker 2>down to the deep end on the trail and I'm
<v Speaker 2>standing looking across the deep hole and there are all
<v Speaker 2>these old seedor growths you know, that are over there,
<v Speaker 2>and right in front of me, right on the other
<v Speaker 2>side of that that hole, a tree just comes straight down, boom,
<v Speaker 2>right in my path. I mean, it was across the water,
<v Speaker 2>but it was right there. And I know, I know
<v Speaker 2>the trees fall on and rown in the forest. Well,
<v Speaker 2>we rarely witness them, you know, some people do. Well,
<v Speaker 2>what are the odds that I'm standing there and the
<v Speaker 2>only person in the show ends and this old gross
<v Speaker 2>sea decides to fall over right directly in front of me.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see a big foot. Who knows, but in
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, I think I was being warned, you know
<v Speaker 2>that maybe not go maybe not go there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>But I can't say, but that happened.
<v Speaker 4>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So I'm in sidelights and I see these or logan,
<v Speaker 2>I see these old these structures, and his vine comes
<v Speaker 2>crashing down in front of me, and I thought, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of weird. And then I looked to and
<v Speaker 2>the trail it disappeared. By then I could barely discern it.
<v Speaker 2>But it goes around and and then it goes it
<v Speaker 2>goes down and up, and then it just got black
<v Speaker 2>in there. It was just so overgrown and so thick,
<v Speaker 2>and I started to get to creeps a little bit,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, it's kind of creepy. So I went
<v Speaker 2>about another half a mile into this and I came
<v Speaker 2>back and a long story short of came out, and
<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, I didn't find what I was looking for.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't find this lake that these people got chased
<v Speaker 2>off of, they say by a big foot. So I
<v Speaker 2>go drive down the two laner back up to the
<v Speaker 2>back entrance of the main part of Logan and I
<v Speaker 2>go back in and I'm clicking off these I'm clicking
<v Speaker 2>off these lakes one by one. I'm getting out of
<v Speaker 2>my truck. I'm looking at them, thinking that this is
<v Speaker 2>not what they described. I did see one that looked promising.
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of far off, but I didn't see
<v Speaker 2>any woods. Really. It was kind of open, and there
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of the lake was filled with lily
<v Speaker 2>pads and stuff. But when I got out of the truck,
<v Speaker 2>I smelled something horrible and I'm like, oh, man, that's
<v Speaker 2>that's a dead body or something. And I see the
<v Speaker 2>cinnamon colored mound of fur laying in the grass about
<v Speaker 2>ten yards from my truck, and I'm like, the hell
<v Speaker 2>is that? And I go over there and it turns
<v Speaker 2>out it's a dead dog, a big dead dog, got long, fuzzy,
<v Speaker 2>almost like Pomeranian fuzzy, you know, or what do you
<v Speaker 2>call it? Like chow like chow fuzzy and it was
<v Speaker 2>cinnamon color. Do you think about it? Where it was? Man,
<v Speaker 2>it didn't have a head. The head was gone. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>what predator would take the head of it?
<v Speaker 3>All?
<v Speaker 2>You know? I mean if the if the carcass became
<v Speaker 2>subject to predation and animals eating it and stuff, what
<v Speaker 2>would take the head? So I thought that was kind
<v Speaker 2>of weird. So get back in my truck because I
<v Speaker 2>figured this couldn't be the place. It was too open,
<v Speaker 2>and I went all the way through the end of
<v Speaker 2>it and I'm I don't see it, and I'm like shit,
<v Speaker 2>So I'm I'm making a left to go out when
<v Speaker 2>I caught a glint of water coming through the forest
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I look over and I see it.
<v Speaker 2>There's a lake back there. So I swung around. I
<v Speaker 2>pulled in and this place had been flooded most of
<v Speaker 2>the year. I was trying to get to it, but
<v Speaker 2>there was flooding all up and down this area, not
<v Speaker 2>only sixty one, but the seventy nine corridor as well,
<v Speaker 2>and it had been there for it had been flooded
<v Speaker 2>for months. But it finally it receded, and I get
<v Speaker 2>to the lake edge, you know, and it's all muddy,
<v Speaker 2>and what do I see. I see a print about
<v Speaker 2>sixteen feet long. It's like it's a left foot and
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking. I'm looking around, and I see a right
<v Speaker 2>foot and I can't make the stretch, but there's a
<v Speaker 2>right foot there, and I'm like, holy shit, this must
<v Speaker 2>be the place where those people got chased out, because
<v Speaker 2>it had it had woods in between the access to
<v Speaker 2>the lake and the lake itself. There were a lot
<v Speaker 2>of woods. And I'm like, man, there's a big, big footprint,
<v Speaker 2>it's like sixteen and I look off to the left
<v Speaker 2>and there's a smaller set I don't know, twelve inches,
<v Speaker 2>thirteen inches something like that, and then there's a smaller
<v Speaker 2>set like a like a juvenile or a baby or something.
<v Speaker 2>Three of them, and I'm like, holy smokes, this is
<v Speaker 2>the place. I start following it and it's all muddy,
<v Speaker 2>and it just the flooded subsided recently and it was
<v Speaker 2>still deep mud. I couldn't get in it. So I'm
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit following around, but it finally and
<v Speaker 2>they're progressing around the left side of the lake and
<v Speaker 2>they come up out of the mud, the footprints into
<v Speaker 2>the hard pack, and then they disappear into the woods
<v Speaker 2>and around on the young the woods on the back
<v Speaker 2>side of the lake. So I have a kayak and
<v Speaker 2>I because I couldn't get to this part of the
<v Speaker 2>lake by walking. It was two overgrown and non accessible
<v Speaker 2>and I'm extremely allergic to poison ivy, which there was
<v Speaker 2>a lot of. So I get in my kayak and
<v Speaker 2>I paddled over to the corner of the back side
<v Speaker 2>of the lake and there's one degrading footprint and it's
<v Speaker 2>about sixteen inches. It had been there for a while.
<v Speaker 2>You could only see like like if that was it,
<v Speaker 2>you just run your line straight down the middle of it,
<v Speaker 2>like say, from the big toe up your instep. There
<v Speaker 2>was like only half of it left, but you could
<v Speaker 2>clearly see that it was a big footprint and the
<v Speaker 2>rest was was degrading. So I knew that there was
<v Speaker 2>activity there. I knew that they were there or they
<v Speaker 2>had been there. So I have a a video camera.
<v Speaker 2>Back then, it was like a handicam, you know, like
<v Speaker 2>one of them big ones or wasn't too big, but
<v Speaker 2>it was handheld jobby, and so I turned the turn
<v Speaker 2>it on and I'm filming the area, and I hear
<v Speaker 2>through the trees and through the brush down on the
<v Speaker 2>back side of the lake. I hear something like they're
<v Speaker 2>like you would take a drink of water, you know,
<v Speaker 2>slurping slurping water. And I'm like, the hell. And then
<v Speaker 2>I heard their garbled language. It was like, I guess
<v Speaker 2>you could compare it to what's his name up there
<v Speaker 2>in his fierras that garbled that garbled sound. And they
<v Speaker 2>were talking. But it was kind of a windy day,
<v Speaker 2>and and I had just a handheld camera. I'm not
<v Speaker 2>an expert or anything like that, so I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>a wind sock. But the so I thought that I
<v Speaker 2>had recorded it, but when I played it back at
<v Speaker 2>a later date, there was too much wind. It obscured
<v Speaker 2>everything that I heard. But in my opinion, they were there.
<v Speaker 2>They were down on the bottom, and I wasn't about
<v Speaker 2>to go down there, no how, no way, and uh,
<v Speaker 2>because there were multiples. Now, I'm not going down there.
<v Speaker 2>So I just got in my kayak and and and
<v Speaker 2>hit the road and packed up and got out of there.
<v Speaker 2>And that was the Logan Conservation area. And so to me,
<v Speaker 2>it verified what these people were talking about. My own daughter.
<v Speaker 2>My own daughter went hiking. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>know where LeVar Creek is out in uh it's like
<v Speaker 2>in between Eureka and Pacific, Missouri in that area. Anyway,
<v Speaker 2>it's a I don't know who runs it, if it's
<v Speaker 2>a conservation or somebody else, you know. Anyway, there's a trail.
<v Speaker 2>It's like a four mile trail that goes up through
<v Speaker 2>the area, and it starts out on at Lebard Creek.
<v Speaker 2>So on the elevation is right there at the creek,
<v Speaker 2>and then the trail head starts and goes up up
<v Speaker 2>and around this whole area. My daughter, my daughter, she's
<v Speaker 2>thirty four. Oh, I'm sorry, got this lexia and I'm
<v Speaker 2>getting oe. She's forty three. She said that she and
<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend went hiking there and were chased out by
<v Speaker 2>a big black figure in the woodline off the trail,
<v Speaker 2>and it scared them so bad they never went back.
<v Speaker 2>So I went out there and I put in at
<v Speaker 2>night like I always love to do. I didn't experience anything.
<v Speaker 2>I shined from a deer. I saw some deer. I
<v Speaker 2>had to go pro on my head. This was back
<v Speaker 2>when and I thought I would capture something. You know,
<v Speaker 2>on film or whatever. And in the day comes and
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to spend a day there, you know, So
<v Speaker 2>I get it's a really nice off the Bark Creek.
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of anomalies there that make it g
<v Speaker 2>geologically interesting. There's a waterfall and there's like a little
<v Speaker 2>shallow cut into the whatever the cliff there that makes
<v Speaker 2>it like a little cave type thing, you know, And
<v Speaker 2>the water falls down and it cools up down there
<v Speaker 2>and it gets pretty deep. So I work my way
<v Speaker 2>down to the bottom of that, and I'm setting up
<v Speaker 2>a hammock and I hear the biggest branch snapping off
<v Speaker 2>to my line. I knew they were there. I knew
<v Speaker 2>I well, I don't know. They say it was there,
<v Speaker 2>brand snapping right above me. Just I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything, but it was probably less than fifty
<v Speaker 2>yards from where I was at just I mean, cracking
<v Speaker 2>branches at me, and I just kind of chuckled because
<v Speaker 2>I didn't figure it was going to be aggressive. I
<v Speaker 2>just figured it wanted me to know that it was there.
<v Speaker 2>So I set up a hammock there for a couple
<v Speaker 2>hours and just listened, and I didn't hear any footfall,
<v Speaker 2>only the branch is breaking, which they did. It's not
<v Speaker 2>like a branch broke off a tree. And that was
<v Speaker 2>the end of it, where branches snapping, And so I figured, well,
<v Speaker 2>it's here. I don't know what his gender is or
<v Speaker 2>anything like that, but it's here and wants me to
<v Speaker 2>know that it's here. And I'm not gonna do anything.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go up there and bother it,
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully it won't come down and bother me. And
<v Speaker 2>it didn't. So when levard Creek I had that experience. Now,
<v Speaker 2>the same daughter that got chased out of there, I
<v Speaker 2>called her up in twenty fourteen. I said, let's go
<v Speaker 2>down to the Mingo Wilderness.
<v Speaker 1>You know where that's at, right, Yeah, Okaypapello.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So and I went there too, but I'll talk
<v Speaker 2>about the Mingo. I said, let's kayak the Mingo uh
<v Speaker 2>and and get into the wilderness down there. And I said,
<v Speaker 2>I know that there have been reports of bigfoot at
<v Speaker 2>Wappapello and that's not too far from the Mingo Wilderness.
<v Speaker 2>I said, let's go down here, and man, it was
<v Speaker 2>it was so cool. It was just otherworldly. It was
<v Speaker 2>really prehistoric area. We got into and long story short,
<v Speaker 2>we come up this creek and my my daughter, she
<v Speaker 2>just terrified that I don't know what why she was
<v Speaker 2>so apprehensive about it. She's tougher than me, really, but
<v Speaker 2>she was apprehensive about being it was so remote and
<v Speaker 2>closing in, I guess. And uh so there was a
<v Speaker 2>cypress swamp on my right, and I said, and she
<v Speaker 2>was on the ma. We were on the main channel
<v Speaker 2>of this this creek, and I said, I'm gonna swing
<v Speaker 2>into this cypress swamp here a little bit and just
<v Speaker 2>go in, you know, some yards, and and see what
<v Speaker 2>I can see. And I'm pad and in and I'm
<v Speaker 2>cutting a lot of it out. But I told her
<v Speaker 2>the reason we were going down there because they were
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot down there, and you know, she was interested. So
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm in the swamp and I hear her frantically
<v Speaker 2>calling me. So I'm paneling out real quick, and I
<v Speaker 2>come back on into the channel. She goes, oh my god,
<v Speaker 2>oh my god. She goes right over this burn, big
<v Speaker 2>snapping and stomping and football, and she was we were
<v Speaker 2>in the water, and she said she felt it in
<v Speaker 2>her chest. The stomping was so hard. And this branch
<v Speaker 2>is snapping and I said, well, that sounds like they're
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're letting you know that they're here, and
<v Speaker 2>they know that you're here. So we went, we went
<v Speaker 2>west up the creek and uh, we got I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>a mile or so, maybe up the create. She goes,
<v Speaker 2>you hear that, and I didn't. This weird phenomenon about
<v Speaker 2>these things? She said, I heard, I heard this vocalization.
<v Speaker 2>I said, what is sounded? She said it was it
<v Speaker 2>was a long elongated wooing. And I said, no, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear it. I didn't hear it, but I believed
<v Speaker 2>every word she said, because let me tell you something.
<v Speaker 2>Down in there, they're down there. And I knew they
<v Speaker 2>were down there anyway, but I'm glad she had the experience.
<v Speaker 2>I personally, I did not hear the branches, I didn't
<v Speaker 2>feel the footfall, and I didn't hear the vocalization at
<v Speaker 2>that time. But she shared it and she accepted the
<v Speaker 2>idea that they were down there, and I said, well,
<v Speaker 2>that's the reason we came down there, and I'm glad
<v Speaker 2>you had that experience. I wish I wish i'd have
<v Speaker 2>had it as well, but I didn't. So I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of different things. I went down to
<v Speaker 2>you know where Crane, Missouri is, down to southwest Missouri.
<v Speaker 3>M No, I've never heard of it, all right.
<v Speaker 2>So I read a report and this was, this was
<v Speaker 2>more than a decade ago, that a couple of fishermen
<v Speaker 2>were had rocks thrown at him at a place called
<v Speaker 2>grisham Ford on Crane's Creek. And it's really not in
<v Speaker 2>Crane proper, it's it's in the country, away from the
<v Speaker 2>municipality of Crane. So I thought I'd go down there
<v Speaker 2>and check it out. And it was in November, and
<v Speaker 2>I went down there by myself, like an idiot, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm hiking this area, and a bunch of things happened.
<v Speaker 2>I got hurt. There was a cave down on the
<v Speaker 2>bottom of the trails called the old Wire Road, and
<v Speaker 2>there was a cave there, and I thought, well, it's
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's a very low ceiling cave, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't think a bigfoot would get in there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>but want to crawl in there and see what I
<v Speaker 2>can see. This is in the day. I get down
<v Speaker 2>there in the day and I'm spending a whole day
<v Speaker 2>down there, and I plan on staying down there at night.
<v Speaker 2>There was no camping permitted, but I was going to
<v Speaker 2>stay out there for some time during the night, and anyway,
<v Speaker 2>get into this cave and I didn't really see anything except,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you could tell some teenagers were in there,
<v Speaker 2>some tennis fe footprint and some beer cans stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>So I come out of the I come out of
<v Speaker 2>the cave, and I walk down the trail and I
<v Speaker 2>work my way up on a ridge and I'm following
<v Speaker 2>the ridge and then I kind of go back into
<v Speaker 2>the into the woodline there and it really it empties
<v Speaker 2>out into a farmer's field. And this this field had
<v Speaker 2>been freshly clouded ready to be planted, I guess, And
<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, that's that's interesting. So I come back
<v Speaker 2>into the woods and I come down to the edge
<v Speaker 2>of the of the ridge and it's really like a
<v Speaker 2>bluff sort of, and I noticed that there's a small
<v Speaker 2>game trail that parallels the edge of that, and I
<v Speaker 2>see this flat rock overhang, and so I kind of
<v Speaker 2>take a break and I'm sitting on this flat rock
<v Speaker 2>and the game trail is right behind me and is
<v Speaker 2>running this way behind me, and I'm like, wow, I'll
<v Speaker 2>come back up here at night and set up my
<v Speaker 2>camera for for audio because I'm not gonna be able
<v Speaker 2>to see anything. I didn't have an expensive camera or nothing.
<v Speaker 2>Video came. So I go, I work my way back down. Well,
<v Speaker 2>what happens is I'm coming down to the edge of
<v Speaker 2>the ridge and I slipped in some leaf, some leaf litter,
<v Speaker 2>and I fell off the freaking bluff. What happened? And
<v Speaker 2>it was maybe thirty feet you know, but that'll kill you.
<v Speaker 2>But just before you know, I'm swinging wildly. I was
<v Speaker 2>able to grab a small tree that was growing up
<v Speaker 2>the side, up the side of the the bluff, and
<v Speaker 2>I reach out and I grab and I still got
<v Speaker 2>my backpack on. My backpack is about let me take
<v Speaker 2>a drink, hang out, and my backpack is about I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, thirty thirty five pounds usually go something like that.
<v Speaker 2>And I grabbed this branch and I tore my bicep
<v Speaker 2>off its anchor point right here at the forearm. It
<v Speaker 2>just snapped. Holy shit, man, I'm like, it was so painful,
<v Speaker 2>and I I've gotten nauseous, and I thought I'm a
<v Speaker 2>few and I'm hanging there and I wrapped my legs
<v Speaker 2>around this tree, but my arm is gone. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>thinking this is not good. I'm out here by myself,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm some ways in here, and it's not
<v Speaker 2>likely anybody's gonna come in here.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm hanging on this tree and I've managed to
<v Speaker 4>work my way down to the bottom on this tree,
<v Speaker 4>and I hoof it back to my truck, peel everything off.
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, man, it's two hundred and fifty or so
<v Speaker 2>miles back to Saint Louis something like that. I don't
<v Speaker 2>really don't want to go home, and I know I'm
<v Speaker 2>hurt bad. You know, your bicep shriveles up, it pops
<v Speaker 2>off air and it just kind of like springs. Tension
<v Speaker 2>is gone, and then it just rolls up into nothing.
<v Speaker 2>Oh shoot, man, I'm wanna lose some stuff here anyway.
<v Speaker 2>So I decided to stay. So I had something to eat,
<v Speaker 2>and I just kind of laid in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my truck trying to get the nauseous feeling to go away.
<v Speaker 2>And I'll hurt and it's not good, but I decided
<v Speaker 2>to stay anyway. So the night comes and I throw
<v Speaker 2>my backpack back on and I go back out and
<v Speaker 2>I work my way back up to that ridge again.
<v Speaker 2>Because I figured what I would do is sit on
<v Speaker 2>that flat rock. Two fishermen said they had rockstone at
<v Speaker 2>him from a bigfoot to chase them out of Grisham
<v Speaker 2>Ford on Crane Creek. So I'm coming down the ridge
<v Speaker 2>and I had gone up to the ridge, I got
<v Speaker 2>attacked by a raccoon. It was the craziest thing, dude.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting on this flat rock and I hear some
<v Speaker 2>screaming coming from a tree and I'm like, now, that's
<v Speaker 2>a small animal. It's got nothing to do with me.
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to worry about anything like that. You know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm out here trying to get audio. And it comes
<v Speaker 2>down the tree and it's screaming and I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 2>that thing is really piste off. It's something. And then
<v Speaker 2>I hear that it's approaching me. It's like scrambling, and
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the hell.
<v Speaker 6>So it goes through the brush and I didn't have
<v Speaker 6>the trail, the little game trail is right behind me
<v Speaker 6>and this thing comes out and I'm just so I
<v Speaker 6>just it gets like five feet from me and I'll just.
<v Speaker 2>Yell at it. All I got is a little mini
<v Speaker 2>mag like to illuminate anything. And it scampers off, but
<v Speaker 2>it's startling, so I thought, well, I'll just pack up
<v Speaker 2>and go back down. So I go back down the
<v Speaker 2>ridge and I'm on the old wire road passing the
<v Speaker 2>cave and a rock comes off the bluff there and
<v Speaker 2>lands right at my feet. It's not a big rock,
<v Speaker 2>it's probably like that big around, but it's stud right
<v Speaker 2>there in front of me, right at my feet. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably twenty feet off the wall, you know, on
<v Speaker 2>the trail, and it lands right at my feet. Now,
<v Speaker 2>originally I thought, well, I got friend who works at
<v Speaker 2>the zoo. I'll ask her if raccoons, because they have
<v Speaker 2>prehensile hands, can do some stuff like that. So I
<v Speaker 2>asked her, you know, when I got back to Saint Louis. No,
<v Speaker 2>they can't do that, you know, they can't pick up
<v Speaker 2>a rock and throat. I didn't see a big foot,
<v Speaker 2>but something threw a rock from the ridge at the
<v Speaker 2>top and it landed right there at my feet. And
<v Speaker 2>you always hear these stories about how precision they are,
<v Speaker 2>you know, listen, I got a ton of stories. I
<v Speaker 2>have more stories, but I know I'm gonna lose you,
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if you want to continue sometime
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, yeah, we'll leave it at that. And Dennis,
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you for taking the time to share
<v Speaker 1>your experiences from Missouri, and I thought they were really interesting,
<v Speaker 1>especially the part where you guys camped out and they
<v Speaker 1>were screaming and coming up to camp.
<v Speaker 3>That was that was something else.
<v Speaker 2>That was terrifying. I never I've never been that afraid
<v Speaker 2>of anything ever. And I've been back in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm I'm not it's not going to keep
<v Speaker 2>me out of the woods, but I certainly am more
<v Speaker 2>cautious these days, you know. So, yeah, it was quite
<v Speaker 2>an experience. I get back to Saint Louis from that
<v Speaker 2>trip that you're talking about, and I got on one
<v Speaker 2>of the databases about bigfoot sidings and found out that
<v Speaker 2>there were in a two year period from the time
<v Speaker 2>that I had that experience going backwards, there were five
<v Speaker 2>Class A sidings in a two county area, the county
<v Speaker 2>I was in and the one next to me, and
<v Speaker 2>uh for you know, in the last two years prior
<v Speaker 2>to that that thing in your face encounters. So I thought, wow,
<v Speaker 2>that's that just you know, there you go. So I
<v Speaker 2>figured there's got to be a population of them down there,
<v Speaker 2>a small family or a small population of them. And
<v Speaker 2>I know they live in the caves. You know who's
<v Speaker 2>not And if you could, if you look at Manoth
<v Speaker 2>Cave in Kentucky that comes all the way across. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that that thing is huge and fault and long.
<v Speaker 2>So even our case systems here connect and they're they
<v Speaker 2>use them, they use them, you know. But that's my story.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thank you for taking the time to
<v Speaker 1>share it with me, And if you ever want to
<v Speaker 1>meet up and tell it on video, I'd be glad
<v Speaker 1>to meet up with you and maybe we can get
<v Speaker 1>out there and look around the woods for ourselves.
<v Speaker 2>I would love it, and we're gonna do it, so
<v Speaker 2>you know, let me let me figure out when we
<v Speaker 2>can do it. I know it's hunting season right now,
<v Speaker 2>so I don't want to be out to you with
<v Speaker 2>autum dudes with shotguns and everything and rifles and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>so but yeah, sometime soon, I'd be more than happy
<v Speaker 2>to do it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that sounds good, and you have yourself an excellent weekend,
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully we speak again, my friend.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Miguel, pleasure to meet you.
<v Speaker 3>Take care yep, take care,