Hour 2 - Criticism rachets up for Luka Doncic, Jim Jackson

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Speaker 4: Everybody, thank you.

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Speaker 2: We have Indian food and Todd has really never had Indian food. And I don't think this is when you start having it on a meat Friday.

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Speaker 5: I feel that Dylan's been working hard or doesn't eat it, but he has been like he always does. He's working hard and putting this all together.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we can follow up on this stat.

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Speaker 2: I just got this stat and it's wild if I said the total number of major conference scholarship players who have played their entire four or five year college career at one school.

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Speaker 3: How many? How many players?

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Speaker 2: Twenty two major conference scholarship basketball players who have played their entire four or five year college career at one school. Marvin, I'll let you throw out a number. One one player has played his entire career at his college.

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Speaker 6: The way things are going now in this climate, Todd.

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Speaker 3: How about you? Six Seaton?

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Speaker 7: Can you? The guesses now are really throwing the office.

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Speaker 2: It's the total number, the total number of players who have played their entire careers at one school in the twenty two major conferences. These are scholarship this.

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Speaker 7: Year, their entire career, their entire career right now, right now, not all time, no, no, no, just this year they're going to be celebrating senior Night, having played their entire four or five year college career at one school. I'm going to can I guess a percentage?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: How many total players are there in those twenty two I don't know, Okay, two thousand.

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Speaker 2: I just gave you the answer. A total of twenty two major conference scholarship players can celebrate senior Night as they've been at their school for four or five years. At one school like Marquette has three players, Purdue three players, Houston to Michigan State to those are the only schools with multiple players.

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Speaker 7: So I'm throwing a flag on this. I think this problem was in the setup. Okay, I could have been Paul.

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Speaker 3: You want to guess two hundred and twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two?

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Speaker 3: No, it's twenty two.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I thought twenty I thought it was twenty two conferences.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was twenty two conferences too.

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Speaker 2: Of the twenty two major conference scholarship players who can celebrate senior Night this season having played their entire four or five year college career at one school, two twenty two.

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Speaker 8: You didn't anybody way, Steaday Saaday.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who says this show is scripted, You've got a good dose of why it's not.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're just trying to be cute with us, Like what color is the red Book? They were just pull fast one on me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, these are like those stupid SAT questions.

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Speaker 2: There's like, was right there, No, I I E mey E mey. But then I came back and cleaned up the mess. So twenty two scholarship players from major conferences have played their entire careers at one school this season. This is what we're counting. So those players who have played their entire careers at with four or five years at one school, and that's took twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Poorly presented, Todd, I'm gonna get up now.

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Speaker 6: You're not gonnat me eat Indian food? What are you gonna put school?

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Speaker 4: Todd? Hurry pie to the face.

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Speaker 3: I was going to agree with you, well, you had already.

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Speaker 5: Said that, but I just piled out a little bit you said before. Maybe I didn't present it so great. I haveter it'll be funny to double down and say and poorly.

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Speaker 3: Present and I agree with you?

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Speaker 6: Okay? Have we all learned a lesson about the sense thing? Which is good?

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Speaker 4: What are we doing?

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Speaker 5: It's all in good fun on a Friday. We having fun except for the fact that we hate the menu for lunch. Everything else is good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But I tried to get it changed for the sake of you know, the climate in here.

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Speaker 6: You could still salvage it by leandering some nice New Haven pizza. We have to eat something. Can't just be bagels and cream cheese.

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Speaker 3: Yet you can.

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Speaker 5: I can, but I got this little alligator wallet arms. Okay, you have a quarter inch bigger arm than me. You should be able to get tough, your wild faster.

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Speaker 3: Do you want me to order pizza.

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Speaker 6: If it doesn't hurt Dylan's feelix too much.

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Speaker 5: I know I would be devastated if I cooked and everything and you guys just made fun of what I made the whole day.

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Speaker 2: I am going to eat what Dylan is cooking today because I'm a team player.

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Speaker 6: Because they got all those dude wipes back there.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 6: Any partnership.

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Speaker 7: Do you have a Fridays brought to you by dude wife?

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Speaker 3: Do you have a container for your road trip home?

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Speaker 5: I have dude wipes in every section of the house. I have it in the trunk, I have it in the back seat. You have to be prepared for these things.

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Speaker 2: Alrighty in the books, and we'll try to make it through two hours. Why is the NBA turning on Luca? Jim Jackson will join us coming up. Just feels like the criticism is starting to pile on Lucas. So we'll talk to Jim about that, among other things, and the phenomenon that is Victor Wembenyama. He is must see TV. He is must not face if your team is going to play them in the postseason. Yes, Marvin, I.

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Speaker 6: Know you have Joker as the best player in the NBA, But can there be a case for Victor.

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Speaker 3: Because both ends of the floor, he's he's there. I mean, this isn't you know?

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Speaker 2: It's not like Cooper Flagg, who could one day turn out to be maybe the best player. But you know, Victor's team is winning. Mavericks aren't any good now, you know. You start to look at this and you go okay. And I actually saw some list or former players who said, you know, who would you take? Would you take Victor? Or are you gonna go with Cooper Flagg? You know, with their careers? And I go, wait a minute, is this a trick question? Cooper Flag's a wonderful player. He not Victor winbitt Yama. By the way, I think Cooper Flag is coming back tonight to face the Celtics, and Jason Tatum is expected to play. I got the mAbs getting fourteen and a half points in that game against the Boston Celtics. Yep, at the Celtics, mAbs getting fourteen and a half. All right poll question seating from hour one and what are we going to go with an hour two?

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Speaker 7: Well, we got out, we got three of them up there right now. We're gonna stick with these for an hour two. Some of them just went up controversial. Here's from Todd the DJ more trade will make the bills better, the bears better, both teams better, or neither improves much. Right now the bills have gotten better, followed by both teams are getting better. Okay, here's one from Paul. If you could only eat one food by ethnicity for the rest of your life, yours. Actually, I'm sorry, not for the rest of your life, but for the rest of your existence. I mean just your life, the rest of your existence A little bit. Chinese, Italian, Mexican, Indian, Italian Italian currently has fifty percent of that vote, followed by a strong forty for Mexican food. Okay, yeah, I could swap those two easily. I could go Mexican all day with a with a a bee dish for the Italians.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no wrong answer, I'm saying, but no, there's a right answer though.

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Speaker 3: That's Italian Mexican food. A little more versatile.

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Speaker 2: Whoa dang, Well, I don't want to start a culture war?

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Speaker 7: Are you sure? Because I've just I just got that like tickle in my body of like, oh can I piss off the Italian rights?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. But yeah, I'm always what shape do you want? Is really the question I want?

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Speaker 7: We got another one here from Marvin too. This one is burning up social media if well, sort of from Marvin. It's a topic for Marvin. But if you're the Buffalo Bills, would you rather lose in the AFC Title Game or the Super Bowl? No, I'm not even letting you get to the AFC Title Game, Marvin. You lose in the second round.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm only going off of what you said. The Bill's expectation was we have to get to the super Bowl. Yes, you don't know. It's not good enough winning for you is the expectation. If you're the Patriots, you know what?

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Speaker 4: Great?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a fore gune conclusion that if you get to the super Bowl, you want to win the super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna go viral.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that they wouldn't they wouldn't go Hey, we made it yay.

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Speaker 6: No, No, you're correct, But say, like the Patriot this past year, they got to the super Bowl. Great season. Yes, the Bills get to the super Bowl. Now they gotta win it. The lines are in that same category of let's get to the super Bowl. No, no, no, no, that's not your expectations.

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Speaker 3: I go back to the Sports Emmys. We are the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 4: Of the Sports Semmis.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we're even worse than the Buffalo Bills from the standpoint of always losing.

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Speaker 6: You're Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: We have lost six in a row. We've lost six in a row.

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Speaker 6: And the expectation is for us to win.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but I want to be nominated.

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Speaker 2: If we didn't get nominated, I feel worse than when we don't win.

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Speaker 6: No, you're right, but I think it's apples and oranges. You didn't fumble the Sports Emmy. Josh Allen fumbled the ball right before halftime.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Technically, whoever edited together the Emmy rail would That would be.

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Speaker 3: Ah Paul and Raleigh? Hi, Hi Paul? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 9: Dan?

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Speaker 10: Dan?

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Speaker 1: Dana's Teppie Indian Friday.

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Speaker 11: I have to I've got Marvin.

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Speaker 12: I've got your back on this as a lifelong Bengals fan, I do not want to go back to the super Bowl and lose.

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Speaker 3: You have to go and win.

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Speaker 12: I hate the Buffalo Bills, but you have to.

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Speaker 3: Go and win.

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Speaker 2: You can't go back there one more time and come back empty handed.

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Speaker 4: Marvin, I got you back.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Paul.

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Speaker 2: If I'm a Bengal fan and you say I can go to the super Bowl this next season we lose, I'll sign up for that because how did it go last year and the year before that? You got to get there. You learn more by losing than you do by winning. The Buffalo Bills are the smartest franchise in NFL history, Yes, Mark, but DP.

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Speaker 6: You don't say that on the bus ride home from losing the Sports Semis. You don't have this speech. You're like, oh my gosh, you can't move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: I probably ripped the show that ended up winning. Yeah, so I want to win, like Danie Rolowski, how do you win?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But I but we I always say we got nominated.

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Speaker 2: Be proud. There's only twelve of us on this show. We're going against you know, you know shows that have one hundred people working on them.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, being nominated is super important, super important. It's like that, like, all right, just making the playoffs, it's like, okay, that's good, that's kind of bare minimum really, but being nominated is like, man, we're top top five to six, like top whatever. That's pretty good. All the shows that were submitted, we're right in that top man, that's awesome.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Paul, we were nominated three years in a row, went over three. Then we skipped a year and we were not nominated.

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Speaker 2: But I asked to skip a year because I didn't want you guys to feel the devastation.

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Speaker 7: Thoughtful, yes, yeah, but then we felt more devastated because we weren't even nominated. Actually, what you did was inspire us to work harder the next year because we were like this, bs.

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Speaker 3: Oh you see right through me? Yes, yes, tod at least.

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Speaker 5: But at least the Bills know they came in second by losing the Super Bowl. For us, been second, It could have been fourth, it could have been fifth.

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Speaker 6: We don't even know.

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Speaker 2: What what do you want to know if you finished second or last of the shows that got nominated.

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Speaker 6: Initially, I wouldn't want to know.

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Speaker 5: But the more increasingly I'm starting to think I'd like to know where we finished in the voting for the times that we were nominated, as opposed to.

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Speaker 3: Wondering, Paulie, could we ask somebody? Would you like me to ask my guy? Well, okay, let's let's take a vote here, all right?

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Speaker 2: Do we want to find out how close we've come to lose to winning a Sports Emmy? I ask you, Todd, if Paulie could find out the results of previous Sports Emmys that maybe we finished second, or maybe we were the worst of the shows that were nominated.

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Speaker 5: I do only because, like, we get our hopes up and if we're finishing regularly second to last or last, and I won't get too excited about this is the year, because how were going to jump from last to first in a category.

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Speaker 6: That's very strange?

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Speaker 5: What is your answer, my answers, I would like to know where we finished in all the years that we were Uh.

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Speaker 7: Well, I if you find out the answer, I want to know. But I'm hoping you can't get the answer, right, I'm hoping you can't get the answer. I don't know if I could handle knowing that we were like a missed field goal away from winning. I really don't know that I can handle that. It would ruin my day. It really would. It would ruin my day.

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Speaker 4: Marvin.

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Speaker 6: I'm a glutton for punishment, as you can see. So yeah, i'd like to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't want to be a Buffalo Bill fan and go to the super Bowl and loose.

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Speaker 3: You you're not a glutton for punished.

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Speaker 6: But it's not the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just as devastating to us as somebody losing the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: But the Bills are used to it.

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Speaker 3: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Are you typing an email to the Sports semi Committee.

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Speaker 8: It's typed up and ready to send.

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Speaker 12: Send.

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Speaker 8: It's good content.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if it hurts, it hurts so good only just hits them. Moe in Arizona, Mo, thanks for holding. I want to get you squeezed in here before we take a break.

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Speaker 4: All right, morning, Dan Dann.

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Speaker 9: I apologize for the black on black crime, but Black History months over, Marvin, are you serious, Like, as a forty nine Ers fan, we know that that hurts so bad getting destroyed by Seattle last year and or this year whatever, But you know, I mean that was that was much better. And then you don't have to hear the knickknacks from all your you know, same rival friends in the same division. That just doesn't make any sense, you know, But I really came in to get on the Lakers. Then I've been at home for about a month with a broken foot, so I'm part of the disabled Dan Patrick listening club. So, you know, even with the defensive debacle that the Lakers are going through, do you think they can flip a switch? You know, when when when the playoffs come on?

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Speaker 2: No, And you know, I think we've said it before, Mo, there are certain teams that can do it. They're not as many teams as you think who can do it. I just don't see a good pattern. I don't see body language. Okay, they played defense earlier in the season, and I thought if they play defense like that, they can challenge for a championship. But they can't play defense or they don't or won't in body language. And Luca and I want to talk to Jim Jackson about that. Coming up, we'll take a break, we'll talk some NBA with Jim. Your phone calls update the pull results as well. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 4: Hi erin.

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Speaker 12: Hey, DP, thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 3: I gotta take that.

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Speaker 12: I think is more controversial than the pants for first, I just want to say, Fritty, I agree with the I think videos of Indian street food and they're like scooping up with their hands and that's just discussing. But my take is everybody that I've ever asked has disagreed with me. Most people put their stocks and shoes on. They go sock shop shoe shoes. I go stock shoe, sock shoe. That can dependent if anybody wants to what's.

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Speaker 3: The uh that's insane?

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Speaker 6: Insane?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am Uh it's at sock sock shoe shoe. Yes, Pauli, you should be on a.

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Speaker 8: Watch list if you do your shoes and socks like that.

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Speaker 3: Sock sock shoe.

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Speaker 4: Shoot. Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Uh did Cooper Flag play that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: In the Loss of Your Magic?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, so it was it was his first game back.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Uh Fresh in Milwaukee, Hi Fresh?

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Speaker 4: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 13: What's up?

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Speaker 4: DP?

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Speaker 13: And Dan Net with DP, I think you you can did a great job of making a pole question this week. You brought us some excellent nicknames with Grandma Mam and doctor duncan Stein, And it got me to thinking, what are the five greatest nicknames in sports?

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Speaker 10: Is it Air?

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Speaker 12: Doctor j?

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Speaker 13: Magic?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the great one or the greatest, So Ali and Gretzky. I would start there and then work your way down. I mean, Eric Jordan was great because it created a brand, a you know, billion dollar brand. But Ali called himself the greatest and lived up to it. Wayne didn't call himself the great one. He was called the great one, but he lived up to being the great one. You can have a great nickname, you just gotta live up to it. Yes, Marv, I.

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Speaker 6: Think Magic Johnson's the greatest sick name because they call you magic instead of Irving.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: No one's saying, hey, greatest, how are you? People say magic? How are you? That's what I That's what I take. When somebody says a nickname like Babe Ruth, no one calls him George Herman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but babe and a great nickname.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 6: I was just using it as an example as a nickname.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we're it feels like we're feuding, you know what.

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Speaker 6: I think we're getting spicy because of the Indian food. I think it just turned us. Okay, I guess one another. But I don't want to go into the weekend like that. Okay, you're right, Dan, I love you.

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Speaker 3: I love you too.

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Speaker 2: I just want to make sure that did it feel like I was piling on you.

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Speaker 3: No, I have the buffalo. I mean I tried to No.

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Speaker 6: I thought this was just good sports radio conversation.

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Speaker 8: Yes, PAULI magic is just perfect because he had it before the Lakers brought him in. He went there with the nickname, and he went to the right team and the right style. If you ever said to someone you don't have to be a sports fan. I just ran into magic. You don't have to say Johnson.

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Speaker 3: And I would say, Polo Bancaro.

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Speaker 4: Your guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like my magic have peaked.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were one of my up and coming teams and then they just they stop up and coming as a team.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Marton, Yeah, that's still your team, right.

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Speaker 4: They were.

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Speaker 3: You know, each year I try to pick out a team.

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Speaker 6: Because three years ago it was like the Cavaliers.

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Speaker 3: I gave you the Caves. I gave you Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, but I gave you when they were a playoff team because they had Tyrese Haliburton. See, when you watch these teams nobody else is watching. Then you almost become an authority. Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 8: When you type the word magic in the Google, the next word that comes out as Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Larry Legend.

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Speaker 2: Nice nickname. Uh Pete Rose was the hit king, But you're talking about that's your actual name. Your nickname is is your first name to a lot of people. Tiger, Yeah, Tiger is a great one.

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Speaker 6: I think Doctor J's up there too, because people would just say.

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Speaker 3: Doc doc, Yeah, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 8: But doctor Jay's was versatile. You could call him doctor J, the doctor Doc. Announcers would call him different things. Yeah, And he was cool enough to have that nickname.

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Speaker 3: And when he got.

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Speaker 2: Introduced when he was in Philadelphia was Julia's. They had this great uh pa announcer and he would give you that Julius Irving aving awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Still seeing him in the airport is one of the coolest things the last twenty years of my life. It might be in the top five of just seeing doctor J walk by me in the airport and being like, oh my god, that's Julius Irving.

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Speaker 2: And then it was like my kids were going, hey, can we have permission to go and follow doctor J?

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Speaker 7: Dan, Dan, do you see Dan?

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Speaker 2: I know, I said, go ahead, go ahead tell him. I said hello, because they just saw doctor J in the airport. I think we're at Lax and all of a sudden, he's just floating down the coolest.

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Speaker 7: Stroll I've ever seen in real life, like a boss, Like a boss Jim Jackson, Fox, NBA College Basketball analyst, and he's got Indiana at Ohio State coming up on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: You remember the first time he met doctor j oh Do, I oh.

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Speaker 4: It was. It was unbeliev ninety five, ninety four, ninety five.

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Speaker 14: It was an All Star game in Phoenix, and I finally got it because I grew up a Doctor J fan. I wanted to have the af ro. You remember Fisher say at Pittsburgh. Yeah, Moses Guthrie.

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Speaker 4: That's that's doctor J.

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Speaker 14: So when I met him, and I was listening to you guys talk about how smooth doctor is, it's unbelieved. When he walks in a room, it's just like poetry of motion. And I still got the picture I had when I shook his hand. He had some glasses on, and it was just one of those moments where I was like, man, I just met I just met doctor J. And we've become really close friends, you know, since then. So it's it's it's surreal one of my heroes growing up man, unbelievable, unbelievable human being.

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Speaker 2: And if I could attach soundtracks to certain athletes like Miles Davis or Coltrane would have been doctor J No.

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Speaker 14: Doubt it had been something real smooth, dramatic, uh heavy baseline, but smooth with docs just moving. Man, he's still he's still like that because you know, we got good friends, especially over the time covering the Big Three, and he's a big cigar smoker like I am. So just hanging out with him, hearing the stories about back in the day, by his progress you know through the A, B A and N B A is nothing like it man to this day.

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Speaker 4: Smoothness.

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Speaker 2: All right, person, help me understand what's going on with Luca from the standpoint of everybody feels like there's this is its open season on Luca that he winds a lot, got another technical he's you know, doesn't play defense. You know, the it's now being exposed because every Laker game is under the microscope always. Okay, where where is this headed with Luca and the Lakers?

00:24:58
Speaker 14: Well, it's tough, Dan, because because we're not privy to the day to day operations every day in practice to conversation, so you want to you want to take paws to that a little bit and try not to evaluate everything by what you think you know and see now optically it doesn't look good optically. It was the same thing in Dallas with with Luca, with his body language at times, with his persistence, to persistence to always complain about files to the official that's always been there. Now It's been some other players that have been like that in the past too, but with Luca now being with the Lakers as well, expectations it just draws.

00:25:37
Speaker 4: The ear of a lot of people.

00:25:38
Speaker 14: Now, keep in mind, this is a situation too because of the trade situation.

00:25:44
Speaker 4: The Lakers have to figure this out with Luca.

00:25:48
Speaker 14: That was that was one of the big things when when they the trade went through, it was like, okay, yes we got to trade, but the Lakers still got to convince Luca that this is the ultimate and the final landing spot, you know, to sign his d So how that interaction between he and JJ he and new management continue to foster itself is very important to the future of this franchise. Okay, because they put everything all eggs in one basket basically by going to get Luca, So they got to figure out a way to make it work. But it doesn't look good optically with what's going on. I'm not talking about he and you know JJ having some words on the sideline. Players and coaches do that all the time. That's that's nothing new, But optically his body language doesn't look good.

00:26:31
Speaker 3: Does it ever help complaining to an official.

00:26:36
Speaker 4: In your mind as a player, yes, you know it. But sometimes you know.

00:26:41
Speaker 14: Old school officials, you know, the earl Stroms of the world, the dig Vveda's. You can go up and talk to okay, and they'll tell you like, Okay, enough is enough, this is it, this is what's gonna happen, or they'll tell you.

00:26:54
Speaker 4: Know, I missed that one. Okay.

00:26:56
Speaker 14: Now, I'm not saying that today's officials don't do it, but it was a different kind of relationlationship back then.

00:27:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jim talking to an official and whining to an official, big difference.

00:27:07
Speaker 14: Okay, what about yelling, because Mike yelled at a lot of officials. Yeah, Magic did, Isaiah did all the guys you know, yes, Yeah, Kobe.

00:27:16
Speaker 3: Did, Yes, Kobe did, Larry did they Yes, Larry did.

00:27:19
Speaker 4: Yes.

00:27:20
Speaker 14: So but you're saying whining and I think with with Luca, it's it's gone overboard. A lot officials are tired of it, they really are, but they don't tack him up.

00:27:32
Speaker 4: So if they're tired of it, teck him up.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: But he's on the on the precipice of being suspended with his technicals.

00:27:40
Speaker 14: Well, I mean sometimes you got to go to extreme, Ma, well what not? But you know what now? But she got text and he knew it.

00:27:49
Speaker 4: Okay.

00:27:49
Speaker 14: And but the officials made it a point too with Rashid that if you continue to do this, boom you're out. They don't do that with Luca. See the difference.

00:28:00
Speaker 3: So you think if they if they say, hey, one more, you're gone.

00:28:05
Speaker 14: Yeah, tell them, said Luca, Okay, enough is enough? Okay, one more. I got what you're saying. You want the file, But I could call the file on the other end when you reach in and we didn't call it. Okay, I can do the same thing. Now, how do you want it? How do how do you want to play this? Okay? I said, you just got to be raw and honest with the player, because you got to give certain players you're gonna give respect to then they deserve it now that you just tell them like, now you're on my butt for this, But I could have called this a couple of times down here and I didn't. Not that I'm playing favorites, but I'm trying to let the game go. So it's the same thing on the opposite end. That's that's old school refereeing right there. That's what that Okay. So now as a player, you got to make a decision. Okay, do I really need to keep complaining and putting him in a situation or the officials in a situation where.

00:28:55
Speaker 4: Now they're gonna kick me out or give me another tex?

00:28:58
Speaker 14: Now that's on me because they told me exactly what is going to happen if I continue down this path.

00:29:04
Speaker 4: It's on me.

00:29:07
Speaker 3: Can you make Luca play defense?

00:29:12
Speaker 4: At times? He has?

00:29:14
Speaker 14: But as a players that goes back to not only just the coaching stat but his teammates, how much respect he has to really want to play this game at the end of the day, Dan, that's all it is. And again I'm not saying, and I don't think everybody's saying that he has to be the best defensive player, that he has to be a lockdown defender. But you got to give the effort. You just can't lay on the screen. You just can't not run back after you take a bad shot and not get back in transition. You cannot not rotate over to take a charge or step in and help your teammates. That's something individually, that's something that you know, his teammates got to expect out of him and vice versa.

00:29:52
Speaker 4: He has to want to give that to his team.

00:29:56
Speaker 14: I'll play with Steve Nash. Steve probably he'll tell you he wasn't the best defender, but he gave the effort. And that's what all teammates want to see, is that just give me the effort.

00:30:06
Speaker 3: Do you think Steve Nash could guard me?

00:30:09
Speaker 14: Oh, he'll lock you down, Dan, I'm here, get up underneath you all day long. That one step you got to the side, he'll take that away. He's sending you left all day.

00:30:17
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him down low.

00:30:19
Speaker 4: So I mean not the first time that team got posted up and Steve would be like, hell double Yeah.

00:30:27
Speaker 2: We're talking to Jim Jackson, Fox NBA College basketball analyst.

00:30:32
Speaker 3: Can Wemby steal the MVP?

00:30:37
Speaker 4: You know what?

00:30:38
Speaker 14: That's a that's a great question because of the position that they're in right I don't think he can this year. I don't think it's his numbers stack up to individually, Okay, individually to those of SGA, Jokic, Kay Cunningham now here. Here's the difference too, is that I know a lot of conversation has been about SGN and about MVP most Valuable Player Okay to their team numbers sometimes don't tell it all. Steve Nash when he won back to back, Kobe's number on that. Numbers on the back end of that were better, but Steve's value to the team. But that's what it was based on. Kobe's value to the team as GA, even though when he was absent Okase he continued to win. It's a difference with Wimby when he's out of the lineup. That's how I think they just start to determine MVP. But I really love Kate what Cage is doing. I mean, an unbelievable job there in Detroit. Honestly, you know, I would love to see him be rewarded if they have the best record, because his value to that team is multiplied a lot by what he does. Kind of like with Yo Kitch at times, even though they were ten and six when he was out. It's something about that. I think Wenby definitely is in the conversation. I don't think he'll even if they get end up being second second best record, I still don't think he'll get it this year.

00:32:07
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we have that sixty five game threshold, and if Joker misses one more game, he's out. If SGA misses a few more games, he's going to be on. Would you be okay by default that Cad Cunningham, because he played more than sixty five games, is the MVP, of.

00:32:25
Speaker 14: Course, and that's why you put it in. I think you know, I want to ask you to what do you think about the sixty five game rule, because here's my thought on this is that if you're going to put that rule in, you have to let this thing play out and have players understand that it is a consequence. Now, sometimes it's not against it's not their fault that they get hurt, but this has to be it has to be a pain point to a lot of players where they make it so that they are on the court. So you can't all of a sudden after one or two years just change it because now it doesn't do anything. If the sixty five game rule is going to be put into effect, and these are the number of games that you have to play in order to receive the awards at the end of the year. You got to make it stick. You got to make it a paying point for players that they understand there's a penalty if I don't it here or can't adhere to this. You can't just all of a sudden change.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: I know, but in all transparency, I'm the one that brought it up to the commissioner that I thought that he needed to have a number. So you had guys who were going to play hard and if you're going to be eligible for postseason honors, and that you played at least sixty five games.

00:33:34
Speaker 4: So you did that. Yeah, oh, we appreciate it. Yeah.

00:33:39
Speaker 14: Now keep in mind the Players Association all of that. They have to agree to it too. Is not something that Adam Silf you can to just lay down the law and say, Okay, this is what we're going to do. So obviously it was discussed and negotiated and agreed upon, and I think it needs to stay in place if that's what they're going to do, to have players understand this is the threshold in what you must pass in order to receive awards at the end of the year, and it has to stick.

00:34:08
Speaker 3: I know, we're creeping up to March madness.

00:34:11
Speaker 4: Here.

00:34:11
Speaker 2: You got Indiana and Ohio State on Saturday. What was worse that you were in the Elite eight and you lost in overtime or that you lost in overtime to Michigan.

00:34:25
Speaker 14: It wasn't the fact that it was Michigan, because you think about it, at the time, our rival was Indiana. It wasn't missed. We beat Michigan twice that year. But it goes back to the nineteen eighty nine Final four. Well, yeah, Final four it was Illinois Michigan. Illinois that year beat Michigan twice during the regular season. Michigan won that game and went to the National Championship ended up winning. It just tells you how difficult it is to beat it now. Them being us being in the same region was kind of ironic. But when we watched that team play, there was a differ diferent team than what we played earlier in the year. From the first game to the second game to where they were at. They matured, they grew, they got more confident, and we had the onus was on us because we were the number one seed to win. No pressure was on Michigan. So yes, it hurt. It hurt, and not just because it was Michigan. It's because we had a chance to go to a Final four, to accomplish something that a lot of teams don't get a chance to. That was more disappointing than actually who we lost to.

00:35:28
Speaker 15: You.

00:35:29
Speaker 4: I still can't watch.

00:35:30
Speaker 14: The game to today because to this day, Dan, I'm hoping for a different outcome and for some reason it just doesn't happen.

00:35:38
Speaker 3: I think you run it back, can you get everybody together?

00:35:42
Speaker 14: And that'd be an ugly game, brother, it'd be an ugly game.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: But when you run into these Michigan guys, do they remind you no?

00:35:51
Speaker 14: Because I played, they're some of my best friends. Played with Juwan and Houston, played with Christian Sacramento. Jimmy King was a free agent, came down to camp in Dallas. Ray Jackson and I are good friends. Jalen and I worked out in the summertime, did a lot of stuff. So actually when they went to the Final four, what was that Trey Burtch here two thousand and sixteens, I mean sevens, I forget when they lost to Louisville.

00:36:18
Speaker 4: You're in San Antonio. I was there. I was with the group.

00:36:22
Speaker 13: I was.

00:36:23
Speaker 14: You know, they're really close friends of mine and I respect each each one of them, man, I mean each one of them. Really great guys, man, give the shirt off their back to you.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: Great to see you, thank you.

00:36:34
Speaker 4: I was great to see you too. Man. Work on that post up game.

00:36:36
Speaker 14: I'm tell Steve, I'm not afraid of Steve Nash.

00:36:39
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid.

00:36:40
Speaker 4: I'm just saying shots shots taken. I'm just telling you.

00:36:44
Speaker 3: I shoot better deeper than he does.

00:36:47
Speaker 4: Really, yes, yes, okay, yes, we don't leave it right there. I'm taking that message to Steve.

00:36:54
Speaker 2: If you don't give it, I will. I'm telling the country right now, you are Steve Nash. Mid range jumper. Mid range jumper. Steve is what I called him. He not out there.

00:37:07
Speaker 3: I mean great.

00:37:07
Speaker 2: Percentage from three point is right right, just saying mid range jumper, Steve.

00:37:13
Speaker 4: All right, he's nicky to death.

00:37:16
Speaker 3: They called me Danny deep, Danny deep.

00:37:21
Speaker 4: Thank you.

00:37:22
Speaker 3: Jim all right, man a Jim Jackson Fox NFL. Al right, man, he's not buying any of that. He thinks I'm joking. I'm joking.

00:37:34
Speaker 4: He hopes you're joking.

00:37:36
Speaker 6: I love all right, man, he.

00:37:39
Speaker 3: Thinks I should be joking.

00:37:43
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00:38:28
Speaker 15: Hold up, I didn't expect to call in today, but man, you guys are being soft.

00:38:33
Speaker 4: I expect this.

00:38:34
Speaker 15: From Todd in his eleven year old palate.

00:38:37
Speaker 4: But not from the rest of you guys.

00:38:38
Speaker 15: Man, Indian food is fantastic. That buttered chicken with some of the rice and the garlic. Non, it's great, It's absolutely phenomenal.

00:38:48
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you, Urso I'm trying it. I already had some of the chicken. I just say to the Dan Edz, just try it. Dyln't work really hard preparing.

00:38:59
Speaker 3: For this and U humor him. But I'm I'm good, I'm ready.

00:39:04
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a golden star. Yes, Tom, you're trying to curry favorite Casey and Denver.

00:39:15
Speaker 3: Hi Casey?

00:39:18
Speaker 11: Hey Dan?

00:39:18
Speaker 3: How you doing great?

00:39:19
Speaker 4: Uh?

00:39:19
Speaker 11: Six one? First time? Long time. I just want to kind of.

00:39:27
Speaker 3: File on with the last guy said there.

00:39:29
Speaker 11: You know this as one avid cook to another, I to give a shout out to my boy chef Dyllan. There, you guys kind of sound like a bunch of five year olds living under a rock.

00:39:38
Speaker 6: Man.

00:39:38
Speaker 11: This is pretty mainstream food nowadays and really really delicious, So give it a shot. Hopefully you guys like it. But I wouldn't. I say, you want to give a quick shout out the future Dayton grad. My son Boston is going to play baseball Dayton in a couple of years.

00:39:52
Speaker 3: Awesome, congrats we are U d Yeah, seton man, I.

00:39:58
Speaker 7: Don't know that anybody's complaining about the heat necessary. I mean, Todd is a little concerned given his gastric distress situation. But everybody else is pretty good with heat and things like that. We're pretty good with spices. I think it's different than that. I don't know why we're soft for not liking the taste of something.

00:40:14
Speaker 2: It's a little too gravy, they're a little too sauce. They're you know, a little too much. But that's all. The food taste really good. It just feels like soupy, more texture for you, then maybe not as much sauce. Okay, man, it feels like it's a little too much, but it tastes great.

00:40:39
Speaker 3: I'm fine. I'm not complaining.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: I just realized that there was tension in the building in the most controversial Meat Friday that we've ever had in the decades of meat Fridays. Numerous people here at the man Cave and there's only twelve of us are tapping out meat Friday.

00:41:04
Speaker 3: More for me, that's the way I look at it, all right.

00:41:09
Speaker 2: Growing up in my household, you either ate was in front of you or you had raisins in an apple. Go get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'm gonna eat Todd.

00:41:21
Speaker 4: That's very brave of you.

00:41:25
Speaker 3: It's not, Yes, Marvin.

00:41:27
Speaker 6: But you don't have to do that anymore. You're not poor time.

00:41:29
Speaker 2: No, but I still eat right at six o'clock every day, just like it did when I was growing up.

00:41:34
Speaker 3: Do you yes? Six o'clock?

00:41:36
Speaker 4: Yes to.

00:41:37
Speaker 6: You also have a much shorter commute. If it doesn't agree with you, you're gonna be a lot safer than me.

00:41:41
Speaker 4: Thank you, Tod.

00:41:42
Speaker 3: We're gonna play the Aaron Rodgers game coming up.